Reality Glitches: Time Travel, Monsters & The Mandela Effect

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(02:40):
Mike Ricksecker is here. We're going to talk about portals,
time travel, bigfoot, and everything in between. In the next
couple of hours. There is no hour number three tonight.
This is why we're keeping it in podcast form tonight
because I gotta fly out of here right after a
go straight to Vancouver, where I got a fly out

(03:00):
at eight thirty in the morning, so I got to
be at immigration for six in the morning. It's at
least a four and a half hour drive, five hour
drive to Vancouver, so I got a busy, busy time
ahead of me. So we're gonna make this one quick.
Let's bring them right in, Mike Ricksecker, no time wasted.
You are literally everywhere in this field. And what I
love about you, Mike, and normally I do a long introduction,

(03:22):
but I'm not going to do that tonight because I
don't think you need an introduction. You are amazing at
what you do. You're an incredible author. You put out
incredible research into your books, which can be found on
your website at Mike Ricksecker dot com. You've been on
numerous television shows, You've been on countless documentaries, and I

(03:43):
think you were one of the most level headed people
in this field with zero ego to boot and for
some reason, you like doing this show. So I don't
know what the hell's wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well, thank you for having me back, David part of
this short NERD show. As you stated earlier, and you
know what, you have such a roll call going these days.
I think we're almost out of time, right, I mean, yeah,
I'm impressed you, you know, because we go back quite
a way, as I think I've known you almost like
ten years now, and it's just incredible to see how
much spaced out radio has grown over the years. So

(04:18):
congratulations to you, my friend.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Thank you. I do appreciate that because what we do,
what you do, what I do, we're just showing the
finished product of what we're talking about. You know, we're
people are great audience of the people who listen on
the podcast side and everything. They don't see the amount
of research or the time it takes to build everything up,
all those little nickel and dimes that add up to

(04:41):
big problems if you're not continuously spitting plates and dealing
with them. You were into so many different subjects. How
do you spend so many plates?

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah? I like to say people will say the struggle
is real. I say the juggle is real. I am
in a to a little bit of everything. I like
to joke around that I don't sleep much, but really
it's just a passion for it all because to me,
you know, everything is connected. Whether you're talking UFOs or Bigfoot,

(05:13):
or ancient wisdom, or paranormal activity or you know, all
these other things that are going on interdimensional activity, it's
all connected. And so you know what I try to
connections are rather than keeping myself in the little box.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
As you kind of moved forward, do you just choose
a topic and see what you like? Is that how
it works for you?

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think, you know, there's there's just inspiration comes along.
Sometimes it'll be I think a lot of times the
universe just kind of calls out to you. So, you know,
with with my platform, the connect Universe Portal, Connecting Universe,
all that, you know the connections, and it's like, okay,
where am I going to start with the book series

(06:03):
that I was putting together. There and a lot of people,
I'm traveling these sorts of things, and I was doing
a lot of those types of shows on with hmmm,

(06:34):
all right, all of a sudden, you know it just
because we were doing the Stargates of Ancient Egypt tour.
We do that on a yearly basis now and it's like, no, no,
the next book has to be on the stargates. That
was just like inspiration to call to me from the universe.
So it's just you know, you know, really whatever whatever
that inspiration is of the moment, Okay, let's roll with

(06:55):
it and see where we go.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
What's your favorite topic? Ah, that's that's tough.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
That that is a tough question, but because I do
like it all but probably, but it's a toss up
between the ancient history, ancient wisdom and all the work
that I've been doing out there in Egypt, and the
time travel. Just the just the way that the universe

(07:26):
works and the way that the dimensions, I mean, time
is just one of our dimensions, and just kind of
the inner workings of the universe like that are really
fascinating to me.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
You were someone who I would look at this and
I mean this as a complete compliment. You're like a
freaking encyclopedia man. You really are. From from time travel
to ancient theories, to Bigfoot to these triangles. You once
did a television show on the Alaskan Triangle. You've studied UFOs,
You've done paranormal investstigations, all over the world. That's why

(08:03):
I ask what your favorite is, because I see a
shift in myself. When I first, you know, got started
learning about the phenomena, it was all about the paranormal,
you know. I wanted to you know, I wanted to
communicate with ghosts. I wanted to see what this was about,
you know, to try and cure my fear of death.
And then when the UFOs came and I became absolutely

(08:25):
addicted to the UFOs. I still love UFOs and et
contact and all that kind of stuff, but I found
a real love for sasquatch, you know, and and I
and for you where you have so many different levels
of what you do and you've researched, and that's why

(08:46):
I call you an encyclopedia. How do you make that balance?
I mean, are you always shifting or are you juggling
all of these different phenomena balls at the same time.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
It's kind of funny because when I was a kid
and my mother used to call me a walking encyclopedia,
so I preciate. I'm sure she would too. Yeah, you know,
and I've had that shift because really where I got
my start in this field was the paranormal community and
you know, I've been a paranormal investigator for many, many years.
I still talk about a lot of those experiences that

(09:20):
I had. I'm an experiencer going way back when I
was eight years old with a shadow person that appeared
in my room, but later discovering through research and hypnotic
regression that it was actually an interdimensional being. But I
also had that fascination for history, the Ancient World Group
in Indiana Jones. But you know, then in ninety three

(09:42):
when the Mysteries of the Sphinx documentary came out with
Shock and West and redating the Sphinx, and the following
year it was the film Stargate, it was like, WHOA,
What's what's going on here with with ancient Egypt. So
it took some years, but finally saw the connections to
bringing those worlds together, and and it's I just look
at it now, it's like the paranormal was my gateway

(10:05):
into it. It's just one piece of a huge puzzle.
And you know, the gateway might be something else for
another person, like sas squash for another person, might be
UFOs for for somebody else, and and that is like
the introduction to this. You know, magnificent tapestry of different
phenomena that's going on around.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Us for the most part, What do you think we're
missing about the phenomena? What is something that you think
that we don't pay enough attention to?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's a good question. I would say, you know, the
fine details. You know, we we see a lot of
the stuff blow up on social media, like lately here
with the with the UFOs, you know, Trump to saying oh,
We're going to release the UFO files, and everybody's like, well,
it is the distraction. It becomes all about that for

(10:59):
for a hot minute.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Now, I guess they registered alien dot gov.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, both alien and alien dot.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Gov right right, So which which is cool? And so
you know everybody's talking about that. But it's okay, what's
what's lined underneath the surface? I mean, that's a big
glipsy thing. Everybody's going to be posting about it. I'll
probably post about it because I haven't yet, But it's okay,
what are the fine details underneath the things that people

(11:29):
aren't talking about but are still there. I think that
we need to pay attention a little bit more to
those little details.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
What do you think is going to be on there.
That was actually one of the topics I wanted to
talk to you.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
About a lot of black lines, because the thing is
that the government, as much as they're trying to say, yeah,
we're going to be transparent, we're going to do this.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
You know, we're having congressional hearings now, et cetera, et cetera,
it's their way to me of trying to control the narrative.
You know, they had to finally admit something because everybody's
walking around with a HD or better camera in their
pocket now with their cell phone, so we're able to
capture a lot of fantastic activity that's going on the skies,

(12:17):
on the woods all over, and you can't deny so
much of this footage anymore. So they finally had to admit, Okay,
there are things going on in the skies that we
don't know exactly what they are. So we're we're going
to put together a committee and we're going to have
these people looking at it, and you know, it's them
trying to control and the thing that blew meal ways.

(12:38):
We're going to create Arrow, Okay, this organization where you
can report you know, different you know, unexplained aerial phenomena
except you have to be somehow connected with the government
or military to be able to report to it. So
if you're a civilian, forget it. You can't report to
the thing, which eliminates, you know, the majority of the

(13:00):
cases and sightings that are out there. So it's just, yeah,
I don't trust As far as I could throw.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
It, I think it's going to be very, very interesting.
And let me tell you why I'm interested in it.
It's because the word alien has been so taboo around
the UAP subject. And I'm not a UAP guy. I'm

(13:26):
still a UFO guy at heart. Okay, But I remember
somebody on the inside telling me one day, Dave, as
long as you keep saying aliens, you will never get
any respect. You'll never get anybody on the air you
were not interested in that. That is so far down
the road that you might as well just cut yourself

(13:48):
short right now, because the big wigs that you want
to talk to, they're not going to talk to you
if you're talking aliens, you know, they're just not going
to And that one hit home for me because I
was like, no, this is a part of it. This
is a big part of it. It's not about propulsion
it's not about anti gravitics. That is a small part

(14:10):
of this whole phenomena. That's the human scientist part of
it all. There's much more, much more intriguing stories with this,
and even a couple of years ago, when you know,
we couldn't say aliens are extraterrestrials, it was NHI non
human intelligence. Mike. They tried to stay away from the.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Non human biologics.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And that's yeah, all the bullshit in my language. We're
not on the radio tonight, so all the bullshit that
we kind of have to do here, Mike. I mean,
it really makes me wonder what is this about? Is
this about cover you know, like you said, a lot
of everybody should be investing in sharpy right now because

(14:51):
we're going to see a lot of black marker on this.
Or is this the government maybe taking a shot at us,
you know, taking a little bit of shot at the
public over this.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well, that would be a lot of time and resources
and money to throw it to say they're just taking
a shot at us. Again, I believe they are trying
to control the narrative. And the one good aspect that
has come out of this is the fact that we
can talk more freely about this. I mean, yeah, it
had been that if you're talking about aliens or UFOs

(15:25):
or anything like that, then you're just crazy. You're a kook.
You know, you're a nonsense. But now the fact that
they are having congressional hearings and all these other things
in regards to it, okay, people are starting to listen
a little bit more. People are starting to look up
a little bit more. No longer are we crazy and
on the fringe. Will be really interested to see what
happens with Stephen King's disclosure day, because that's you know,

(15:49):
it really goes back to those early films like Spielberg's
Close Encounters and all that where starting to bring it
a little bit more to the public attention. Even though
it was generally taboo, is still got people talking. And
now we're able to talk about it more freely, which
is wonderful, even though they're still going to try to
control the story. We can talk more about it. But yeah,

(16:10):
it is more than just the technology, but that is
part of it. There is alien tach that the government
does want to get.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
A hold of.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
There are you know, ways that they're able to tap
into resources they want. I think A big part of
it is consciousness. That you know, the these entities, whether
they are extraterrestrial or ultraterrestrial, you know, something living alongside
of us in another dimension. You know, they have access

(16:43):
to other means of expanding consciousness and connecting with other
realms via the consciousness. So it'll be interesting to see
what comes out of all this.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Do you think that we are going to get disclosure
or do you think that we are going to get
disclosure of man made you AP?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I think they'll try to pawn a lot of the
stuff off on that. Like, was it sometime last year
with one of the I think it was the was
the tic Tac video where they were trying to say, oh, yeah,
you know the video was taken from like eighty thousand
feet or whatever, and what you're seeing is a parallax
and et cetera etai. So they were trying to come

(17:29):
up with some way to just you know, glaze people's
eyes over and just reminded me out of something like
Out of Men in Black, where Will Smith is like, yeah,
you know there's a swamp gas that reflected off of
Venus and you know, you know, come up with some
crazy excuse. So I think we're going to get you know,
some of that to try to appease the general public,

(17:51):
you know, like full absolute disclosure. I really don't think
is going to happen until you know, we get you know,
what a lot of people want anyway, is for you know,
some sort of extra trast or other being to you know,
show up in their craft land on the White House
lawn or whatever and say hi, we're here.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Aside from that, it's because because everything's very cloak and dagger,
everything is controlled by by the military and the government,
and those two sides don't really talk to each other
that much. I think people think they're one and the same.
Well it's all the same ensity, well technically, but honestly
they are really two different areas even though they fall

(18:35):
under the same umbrella, and they they don't necessarily talk
to one another because the military is always going to
be there. They're always going to be around. But the
when when you talk about the politicians and the government,
well they come and go, uh. You know, you do
have some career politicians, but a lot of them are

(18:55):
you know, they might be four years, might be eight
years president of the US. You're going to max out
it eight, So we're not going to tell him all
this stuff because you know, the big brass are and
they're around twenty thirty years or lifetime guys. So yeah,
it's I don't think we're going to get what And
when people talk about disclosure, you know that like all

(19:18):
you know, the government coming forward saying here it is,
we're not going to get that.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I want to switch topics here with you, because have
you been following this General mccaslyn story. This one's absolutely
crazy where General Neil McCaslin just vanished.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Oh okay, yeah, I haven't really been.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Following, man, you might want to look into this one.
This this one's been all over the mainstream news. So
General Neil McCaslin was originally named in the UFO subject
of things during Wiki leaks leaks with when Julia Sane
let go of the John Podesta emails, and there was
the UFO emails with Tom along John Podesta and Neil

(20:01):
McCaslin talking about this well, February twenty seventh, he vanished
from his home and his glasses were gone and everything.
I'm not going to bore you with the topic because
we got a lot more to talk about today. But
it's just interesting. This story is absolutely baffling to me,
Like it's like right out of David politis missing for

(20:24):
one one.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Right, and the weird part, well, and that's one of
those questions, you know, did somebody make him disappear? You know,
I mean we we've seen really really strange things over
the years, you know, like years ago when Pat Price
died and the bizarre fashion in which he did so.
He didn't disappear, but you know, one moment he's talking

(20:49):
with the Navy and the CIA. Of course he's been
doing a lot of remote viewing into sensitive areas, and
then next moment he's in Vegas having these strange convulsions
and they they cremate his body before his wife can
even come. It's like what happened there? So yeah, I
mean you have people that may have you know, rubbed

(21:13):
somebody the wrong way and they suddenly disappear.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well, this guy had a multi billion dollar brain, you know.
And the weird part of to add more weirdness to it,
his former assistant who invented some alloy to help military projects.
She vanished this past summer and disappeared while i WU

(21:38):
was on a hike in the California Mountains. So he
disappears in New Mexico. She's disappears six seven months previous
in the mountains of California. Nobody has seen the two
people believe that. You know, there was claim that they
already had a funeral before search and rescue had been
told the body had been found. Like, it's a weird story, man,

(22:01):
but I guess this is what happens when you're dealing
with these top and type of projects that that. I mean,
we talk about cloak and dagger, but you never know,
you know, who's trying to get you. Who wants that
that brain? Is it? Is it Iran? Is it Russia?
Is it China? Is it North Korea? Or any other

(22:21):
adversary out there? Like I don't think it has anything
to do with UFOs, but it just seems very very different.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Well yeah, I mean when you're talking about technology, that's
whoever has the highest technology is who's going to be
in power. And that's so when it comes to like
the United States and you know a lot of their
you know, we don't want to disclose this or we're
gonna you know, black a lot of things out or

(22:53):
what have you. I do understand that a lot of
it is national security and they don't want to reveal
certain things like, Okay, we have this piece of footage,
we don't want to tell you how we captured it
because of the technology that was used in doing that.
So I understand that aspect, and unfortunately everything gets militarized.
So yeah, I mean it does make you wonder with

(23:17):
some of these people, you know, did they start talking
to the wrong person or were they were they divulging
secrets or you know, what was it that happened. We
don't know, We're probably not going to know.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
When you look at the whole UFO aspect. You've talked
to a lot of people and the one thing that
I love about your work is you're very private. You're
not on the public scope. You're a very private person.
You talk to many people, have connections in every field.
Where do you think they're hiding them.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
There? There are many many underground areas throughout the world,
you know, ones that we've built that go miles underground,
ones that are repurposed. They could be well. One of
them that we know that they're doing is you know,
they're repurposing old gold mines and things like this, digging

(24:17):
them out even further and using them for scientific testing.
But you know, some of them is so far down
that we're talking like old lava tubes and magma chambers
that have been retrofitted into you know, whatever whatever they're doing.
So it's gonna be one of these facilities hidden in
a mountain somewhere, hidden underground somewhere. That's where it's going

(24:39):
to be. What do you think we have? I mean,
I think we have a lot of that crash material.
You know when when we talk like the Roswell crash,
Cape Girardo, there's the controversial Trinity crash. You know, all
this material that's been absconded, and then we get a

(25:03):
story about weather balloons and things like this. I think
they have retrieved a lot of that material. And again
it might not necessarily be extraterrestrial. It could be something
that is indigenous to our planet, but multi dimensional in nature.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
You're a big fascination or a big research in my
fascination with with multidimensional beings and other dimensions going on.
What proof have you seen that this is out there?

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Well?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I mean, for one, our theoretical physics show that we
have up to eleven hypatial dimensions zero through ten. So
it's you know, a lot of it is based in
science showing that we do have other dimensions. And you know,
if we we take that and the idea that the

(25:58):
fourth dimension is time and we have access to all
the dimensions below us one, two, and three from the
fourth then any other dimension above US five, six, seven, eight,
and hour would have access to time like we have
access to those objects. So what would be living in
those other dimensions? Other beings, other creatures most likely, just

(26:22):
like we live in this one, and they can come
and go and move in and out of this particular dimension,
just like we can interact with everything and the ones
we have access to. But the thing that really just
it makes sense to me. You know, Okay, we are
our consciousness is on that fourth dimensional plane that we

(26:44):
call time. Well, that makes that means we are multi
dimensional beings. Our fourth dimensional consciousness is inside our third
dimensional body. When the three dimensional body passes, that means
our fourth dimensional consciousness goes to And that's a big
question where do we go when we pass? But you
have scientists today, Stuart hammer Off, Roger Penrose that are

(27:07):
talking that are talking about that very thing that Yeah,
there is a consciousness, there is a soul, and it
does reside within the body and it goes. They can't
answer the question either where it does a go, but
it does go somewhere after we pass and could be
one of those other dimensions, could be something beyond that.
If you live, if you believe we live in a
simulated universe, does it go back to whatever that that

(27:27):
source is? Quite possibly? So So yeah, science is showing
some of these different things, and so it's it is
kind of meshing that science with philosophy.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
What kind of creatures do you think are on each
other side of the dimensions?

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, you have a lot of these different types of
entities and we've we've talked shadow people before some of
them some not all, but some would be interdimensional in nature.
You have some really fascinating ancient indigenous stories like from
the American Southwest, the Hopie and the Zuni talk about

(28:07):
the the ant people and the mantoids and how they
you know, basically came from from outside the planet but
from here basically what we would call another dimension, and
it's part of their origin story where you know, the
the cataclysm was you know, in full force and humanity
was about to be wiped out, and they took them

(28:28):
into their their space for lack of a better term,
and we're able to save them and then you know,
let them go afterwards, after the cataclysm was over and
the waters receded and all that. So you even find
it in these indigenous stories, even like fairy legends and
things like this, when we talk about like the fairy
realm and going into a place where time just worked very,

(28:49):
very differently, So you find it embedded in these old stories.
But this is essentially what they were talking about.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
It always amazes me, you know when I when I
look at say, you know, sites like phantomsomonsters dot com,
but with lawn Strickler or creepy Acres or many of
these sites that really post these these cryptid creatures that
are so obscure you've never heard of them, or they're
only seen once and never heard from again. I mean,

(29:19):
do you think these are the type of creatures like
like the Loveland frogmen or goat men or something like
that that are jumping in and out of these dimensions
or even what about sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Right yeah, or like the snally gaster in Maryland. Nobody's
seen the snally gaster in like one hundred years, but
you're still part of the old legends. Yeah, they definitely
can be moving in and out of different dimensions. And
you know, you see along with a lot of these
different reports sightings of like balls of light. And one

(29:55):
of the things that I postulate in Portals to the
Stars is that a lot of these a light I
believe are the portals themselves, because when we get into
the concepts and ideas of what a of what a
portal is, what a wormhole is, even a stargate is,
you know, we always think of like this, you know,
giant circle that's standing in the middle of the woods

(30:16):
and you walk through it, and we get that concept
an idea off of you know, a lot of illustrations
and things that we've seen on the Einstein Rosen Bridge
where you're you know, connecting those two points together through
a tunnel and you know the end of the tunnel
looks like a circle. Well, and actually the film Interstellar
did a really good job of depicting this is a
circle in three dimensional space is a sphere. So what

(30:41):
would an actual opening to one of these portals or
stargates or wormholes would be is you know, some sort
of spherical object. So yeah, I think a lot of
these balls alike that are seen with these creatures and beings,
and I think those are the portals that they're using,
and you know sasquatch specifically. So, my wife Kate is

(31:04):
a q HHT practitioner. She does a lot of past
life regressions and so forth, and she had this session
that actually was is quoted within Portals to the Stars.
The client was like, yeah, you can go ahead and
make this public. Neither one of these women are in
the sasquatch like at all, well, nothing to do with sasquatch,

(31:25):
but yet in this past life the woman ellis, she's,
you know, coming through what she described as this this tunnel.
She's basically she's in the wormhole itself, and when she
comes out on the other side, she's in the woods.
And you know, Kate's asking, Okay, look around, you know
what do you see? Okay, describing the woods, what do

(31:47):
you look like? She says, well, you know, I've got
I've got a lot of hair, I've got a lot
of fur, you know, the big furry hands and arms
and furry legs and feet. She's like, I think I'm
one of those bigfoot type creatures. So it's really kind
of interesting, uh, to see this come forth in this
past life progression, her having this as a as a
sasquatch using some sort of portal technology.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Do you think then that sasquatch? And I'm saying this
because you know it's my show and I have an
affinity for hunting sasquatch, But do you think that sasquatch
is just a fleshing blood creature? Do you think there
is something more? Maybe not only with it, but dog
Man and goat Man and all of these different creatures.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, flesh and blood, yes, but from from where is it?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
From here?

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Is it some you know, obscure, you know, mammal or
bipedal creature that's still walking around here? And the Alaska
Triangle we made a case for there still being some
wooly mamlis around, so you know, it's possible. But I
think there's been There's there's a case that's been made

(32:59):
here lately over the past several years, more and more
of this idea of it being some sort of interdimensional
creature because of how quickly they disappear again. A lot
of times it's seen with these different balls a light. Yeah,
people have reported seeing them at the same time with
all these UFO settings and these sorts of things. So yeah,

(33:20):
a lot of people have made the case for an
interdimensional bean or some sort of extratrestrial I think people
are starting to move away from the idea that it's
living here on Earth in our dimension. Still could be
here on Earth, but in another dimension. Some people talk
about them coming from like an inner Earth. The same
could be true for these others like dog Man and others,

(33:42):
that they could be, yeah, here on Earth, but from
another dimension.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I have often wondered that, you know, I have seen
a couple of things that I just don't understand. You know,
four of us watched one vanish. We didn't see it vanish,
but if it moved, we would have seen it happen.
I saw the pixelation one day. Other people have seen

(34:08):
that pixelation. Other people have seen the the uh glimmer
Man effect, you know. So it seems like all of
these seem to be, you know, related towards the Sasquatch,
and yet there's no evidence for it except somebody's word.
So how do we investigate that if we don't even

(34:30):
know it's real. Well, and that's and that's part of
the challenge, and that's what makes this feel very difficult.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
It's challenging because the physical evidence that you find. You know,
people are making casts of impressions in the ground well,
you know, or they're taking photos of Am I really
seeing what I'm seeing in the photo or the video clip?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
You know, a lot of times you have to take
their word for it that, Okay, they didn't create the
print in the ground themselves to make the cast that
you know, they didn't doctor the photo, or a lot
of times it's just simply an anecdotal story and it's
like you got to take my word for it.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
The the pixelation effect I've seen that Hinsdale House in
New York. You know a lot of people talk about
the hauntings within the house, et cetera. I found out
I found more going on with the with the grounds,
with the land, especially back in the woods, which is
you know, it's all Native American indigenous land originally. And

(35:38):
a few years ago now, we were back in those
woods and we were seeing this. It was like this
giant bouncing ball light, but it was it was a
bit pixelated. It kind of kept it was like getting fuzzy.
It was moving in and about trees, and it get
like fuzzy, and then you know, you get into a
little bit of focus and fuzz out again and get pixelated.

(36:00):
It kept doing this sort of thing for a while.
We couldn't go back there straight to it because it
was somebody else's property and we're trying to, you know,
respect the boundaries. But later on that night, we're sitting
around the campfire in the backyard and from the woods,
all of a sudden, here come these little, you know,
tiny pinpricks of light. Some of them were in the air,

(36:21):
twinkling somewhere on the ground. They're kind of morphing in
and out of existence. We're down there on our hands
and knees with flashlights trying to get a good look. Okay,
we're looking at some sort of bug or something, and
you're doing everything we can to get them on camera.
I have through it all. I have like a very short,
little like two second clip of you know, little blue light.

(36:44):
You can barely even tell it's on the screen because
it was so hard to be able to capture. So
it's like, okay, you know, I don't have a lot
of physical evidence for you. There's there's my story about it.
There was Megan Talbert who was with me. You have
her talking about it too. No other witnesses, no other
physical evidence, but this little two second clip. You know,

(37:05):
it's like, do you believe me or not? And that's
a lot of times what it comes down to is
I hear people tell all kinds of fantastic stories, and
really it's like, Okay, I need to meet the person.
I need to talk to them. I need to get
a feel for the person, because I know there are
people out there that are bullshitting and making things up,

(37:26):
but I know some people are also telling the absolute
truth of what they saw.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I love that answer. I love that answer, and that
makes me want to shift into our next topic because
there's a lot of controversy right now in the bigfoot
world due to this do catching Bigfoot documentary that's being
shown at south By Southwest claiming that the Patterson Gimblin

(37:54):
film is fake and and you know, apparently they down
some new evidence that shows a gentleman with the last
name of Heerroneous who is getting into the body suit
or wearing the body suit, and it's very interesting. What
do you think about the Patterson Giblin film.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean you're talking about, you know,
one of our original pieces of footage that I mean,
it's been controversial for years. You know, here's what looks
like a bigfoot walking through and it was, you know,
a little bit grainy footage, and you basically had to
take them at their word that it was not somebody
walking around in a suit. I find it pretty strange

(38:37):
that all these decades later that we're now just getting
something about somebody jumping into a suit, like some actual
footage of it or whatever. So that to me kind
of it smells kind of fishy. So, I mean, the
jury's always been out for me on that. It's an

(39:00):
interesting piece of footage. I've never really weighed in one
way or the other if I definitively think it is
legit or if it's not. I've always said, well, there's
a possibility it's real. There's also possibility somebody jumped into
a suit. But like I just said, I think it's
kind of fishy that all these decades later, now something's

(39:21):
coming out on this doesn't seem right.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I would agree with you. I think the film is
way too real. I mean when you've had professional people
analyze this. This film has been scrutinized more than the
Sapruder film. Yeah, probably, it probably has. But you've had
all sorts of scientists from you know, biology scientists to

(39:52):
what's the anatomy one? I'm forgetting my scientific terms here.
It's been a long day, okay, anthropogts and others who
have studied this film. Disney even had their costume designers
try and figure out if it was a costume or not,
because they would know, okay, and every everybody in between

(40:14):
has has gone through this studying the size of the steps,
the breasts that I mean, who's gonna I'll just say it,
who's going to sew a pair of tits a on
a gorilla outfit? Nobody is sewing? I mean you have
We're looking at this at a twenty twenty six point

(40:35):
of view, not a nineteen sixty seven point of view,
And in nineteen sixty seven, nobody is going to sew
a parro tits on this creature?

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Probably not, you know, so it just frustrates me. Yeah,
it's in a lot of aspects, you know, these How
do I want to say this? Yeah, people are always
looking for you know, some sort of of angle or

(41:08):
what they know is going to sell out, what's going
to be you know, get as many eyes on it
as you can, you know, clickbait.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Right, And.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
We've seen an increase in interest in in Sasquatch lately.
You know, it was before you know ten, twenty years ago,
twenty five years she's that long ago almost thirty years now,
where it was all the paranormal. It was all the
ghost stuff, and so you saw a lot of different
you know, videos and things coming out on this, uh

(41:39):
and that on that sort of topic. Well, now you know,
things have changed a little bit. Now it's more UFOs
and sasquatch. So what can we what can we do
to you know, sensationalize it. Well, let's let's go back
to this film and it come up with something controversial
on it because it's you know, pretty much the most
famous film when it comes to Sasquatch, and you know

(42:00):
we're going to take this particular angle on it so
you can get eyes on it. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but
that happens. That's multimedia for you overall.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
You think the debunking gets debunked could very well, Yeah,
Matt Moneymaker from BFRO actually made a really really good
comment on this. I want to read this to you.
Let me let me just find it here. I got
it right on my ex account here, he said, I

(42:37):
read this last night on the show, but I'll read
it just to get your perspective on it.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Matt Moneymaker, the head of the BFRO, said it was
known at the time and since that time in the
late nineteen sixties that Roger Patterson was trying to make
a documentary about the bigfoot Sasquatch mystery. When he and
Bob Gimblin obtained their famous footage, they were from Washington State.
The famous sixty seven Patterson footage was shot in northern California.

(43:04):
Most of the other stock footage was shot in Washington.
As with every other documentary and TV show about the
Bigfoot subject, Roger wanted to dramatize some Bigfoot encounters using
a man in a cheap costume. His wife, Patricia recalls
the use of a cheap costume for this purpose. The
long lost reel that is being touted by these sleezy

(43:27):
producers at south By Southwest is just footage of them
using this costume, which Bigfoot researchers have known about for years.
What this reel shows is obviously a cheap ape costume,
nothing like the actual creature that got caught on camera
in California. Because of that stark difference, the Sleezy producers
are trying to spin this cheap costume for dramatization as

(43:50):
a trial run for the eventual sixty seven costume. The
simple fact that no one has ever been able to
duplicate the costume from the nineteen sixty five seven footage,
with all of its anatomical peculiarities and massive size, has
shown sensible people for more than fifty years that it
is not a costume. There have been several well funded

(44:12):
and well staffed attempts to simulate what you see in
the footage. All of those efforts have failed quite clearly.
National Geographic at one time touted the bogus hieronomous costume
story he claims he was the man in the costume,
then years later aired an episode where the footage was
examined with the most modern techniques in computer enhancements and

(44:35):
measurement analysis. That subsequent subsequent National Geographic program revealed a
foot anatomy on the Patterson creature. That is plainly impossible
to fake with a man in the costume. This latest
film festal Entry called Capturing Big Footage just one more
ploy in a long parade of sleazy, deceptive productions since

(44:59):
the nineteen nineies that have repeated and repackaged long debunt
claims because the ploy will still get some cultural traction.
Writing on the enduring popularity of the Bigfoot mystery, it
is just a cinematic form of clickbait. Now, I think
he goes a little bit. I think he goes a
little bit too hard on the creators of this film. Okay,

(45:24):
because the guy who's producing. His name is Mark. He's
been critically acclaimed on many of his documentaries in films,
He's very well respected in the field. I think, you know,
much like we tend to put skeptics all in one place,
and skeptics put experiences all in one place without in

(45:44):
a generalized context, I think we do the same with this.
But I think when it comes to this, and I'm
curious your opinion, when you have people who are not
from the field, who don't understand the field, it's very
hard to get the story correct because you can't trust
who they are interviewing or doing the editing or doing

(46:07):
the writing of it. You've been behind the scenes, you
know what this is like, Well.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, because any film producer, you know, they have a
certain story they want to tell, They have a certain
narrative they want to tell. Even you know, the first
television show that I was on, The Haunted, the greatest
EVP that we had, which was in a really precarious

(46:32):
spot where the girl Talison basically doubled over in pain
like she just got punched the gun and fell. The
EVP was die that we heard right then, they they
moved that from that really really dramatic moment where we
were doing a cleansing of the house too earlier in
the episode as like the reason that we were going

(46:53):
to do the cleansing of the house, and it was like, no,
that's not what really happened. And you know, even you know,
they made it out like, you know, we've been investigating
that that family, trying to help them for over a year,
and they had made it seem like you know, they
and they did have hauntings going on there for like
twenty years, but they made it seem like, yeah, they

(47:14):
reached out to us, We investigated one time we called
out Carl Johnson to have a you know, cleansing of
the house and and all this stuff, and it was
like that's not no. So, yeah, they they have a
certain story that they want to tell. There's there's a
certain narrative. Yeah, they may not be well versed in
the subject at all, but they know that it's you know,
it's a popular topic right now, this is what we're

(47:36):
gonna do, and and they just a lot of times
don't know better. Yeah, the the idea that you know,
they're taking a note basically like recreation type segment. So yeah,
that whole idea of okay, you know, we're gonna do
like some bigfoot recreations out in the woods. So we're

(47:56):
gonna have him get in the suit and we're gonna
film that. I mean, it's kind of like the same
thing that we do for the paranormal shows. Either we
have a recreation segment, so you know, we have this
woman get into a white dress and we're gonna you know,
put the makeup on her so she looks like a
you know, ghostly woman in white and and then we're
gonna use that, you know, years and years later to say, well,

(48:19):
see they are just faking it. Here's the woman getting
in the dress and everything. No, that was the recreation bit.
So so yeah, it's it's a it's kind of disingenuous,
of course.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
How do you look at the you know, you look
at things pretty pretty clearly, but yet there are a
lot of people out there who look at things that
are very you know, closed mind, are using the emotion
aspect of everything. How do you try and stay very
generalized and very uh, you know, emotionally baseless on it.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Well, I mean, I just I just don't try to
get emotional body. It's like, you know, I've seen enough
over the years. I've had a lot of people criticize
and ridicule and I just let us slide off my back, right,
he says. I think, you know, early on, I you know,
I took offense to it and that sort of thing.
But over the years of just you know, kind of

(49:15):
figured out that there are people in this world that
you're never going to convince. They're always going to deny
the existence of anything external, anything what we would call supernatural.
It's just that's the way they're wired. They're not going
to believe any of it. You know, I've I've had.
I used to work with a guy. He would go

(49:38):
to the skeptic conferences and all that, and you know,
he would tell me, you know, I've had things happen
to me that you would call paranormal. And I'm like, well,
what what do you say about it? What do you
call it if it's not paranormal? He would say, well,
it's just not something I can yet explain what that means.
You had a paranormal experience, buddy, you know that's kind

(50:01):
of the definition of it, right. But yeah, I just
you know, it doesn't bother me anymore, and people are
gonna believe what they want to believe. I know my experiences,
I know the research that I've done, I know what
other people have experienced. And again it's kind of you know,
do I have a good feel for this person? Do
I believe them? And you don't have to believe me.

(50:23):
I'm just speaking my truth, you know, and it doesn't
have to align with yours, but it's it's still my truth.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
The reason why I asked that is when we look
at the Patterson Gimblin film, we do see a lot
of people trying to, you know, use that clickbait. I mean,
talk about the perfect target to try and run up
your numbers if you're into YouTube shorts or TikTok or
Instagram videos. Is it good for the field that this

(50:54):
is getting promotion or is it or is it good
for the field that the subject is out there? Or
is it bad for the field because now we have
everybody looking at it as a clickbait story rather than
as a you know, a story that many of us
have have used as a catalyst to the to the

(51:16):
real life Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a mix because you're,
excuse me, You're gonna have those people that for years
have been you know, denouncing it, sayble see see I
told you. But you might get some others that, because
they're seeing it in the headlines, you become curious and
start taking a look for themselves. And and that's really

(51:44):
what I encourage it in a lot of this is,
you know, don't don't let whether it's an article you're
looking at or you know, a document, even with my
own work, you don't have to take my word for it.
You don't have to take their word for it. Go
look it up for yourselves, do some the research yourself,
so you know, if I inspired you to go, you know,

(52:05):
look something up and you found out some information, great,
you know, same thing, the same thing with this It's
you know, I think on one hand, you know, it's
terrible that they're ripping this apart when and it's still again.
I think it's very clickbaity. But on the other hand,
it might get some people to start seriously researching for themselves.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
We're going to take a break at about a minute
and a half here, Okay, just just you know, we've
been going hard for an hour. We're only here for
another hour after this tonight. But your overall thoughts on
the division that this little bit has caused when this
movie hasn't even been released yet. The majority of people
don't know what we're talking about. We are totally reacting

(52:50):
on emotion here with the Patterson Gimlin story. I mean,
even what the conversation you and I are having we're
working on the we're talking about the emotions of other
people regarding a film that ninety nine point eight percent
of us haven't even seen yet. I guess it does
show the passion that we have for this subject.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, you know, I mean, people are definitely passionate and
you're gonna have camps of people and they'll argue and bicker,
and you know, you'll have keyboard warriors down there in
the comments of whatever post. You know you're gonna get that.
I just I guess I would encourage people to to
stop and think rather than unleash all this vitrio. You know,

(53:34):
but let's actually think this through. Let's actually view the
thing first, you know, before you know, we before we
hammer it, or hammer the original footage, or you would
hope cooler heads would prevail. I know this is the
Internet age, and you know social media people get emotional there.
But that's kind of that's unfortunately the way we've got

(54:00):
on these days.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
It really is, Mike, we're going to take a break.
We're done the one hour. You'll notice there wasn't a
commercial break at the bottom of the hour, which we
normally take. We're just doing a podcast and YouTube form
tonight on spaced out Radio because I got to get
out of here early in one hour. Mike has to
get up early and do some traveling in one hour
as well. Somewhere in between, we're all going to catch

(54:24):
airplanes and not meet up with each other because where
are you head.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Oh, I'm not actually traveling tomorrow, No, I have a yeah,
I'll be traveling here in a couple of weeks. I'll
be doing some filming out with New York, so I
do have to get up early tomorrow because of my
project that I have.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
There, you go, hold on right there, Mike, let's take
a break.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
This is spaced Out Radio with Hopes Dame Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
All Right, buddy, we're gonna take about a five five
minute break here and I'll just put you in the
green room and we'll reconvene here in a couple of minutes. Okay,
all right, Mike rick Secker got them for another hour
here on the show. Put that up for you. We'll
be right back everybody.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Yeah, usutu.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
H all right, I am back, Mike. You just want

(59:49):
to get going instead of waiting? Sure, all right, let
me just remove that. We'll kill the music here. Mike
Ricksecker is our guest tonight on space Stout Radio, and
Mike is an author a researcher. He has been on
numerous documentaries, television shows and films, including The Alaskan High

(01:00:10):
Triangle Histories, Ancient Aliens, and The Unexplained The Haunted On
Gaya TV. You've been there much much more. I mean, Mike,
you've really done it all in this field. What what how?
What keeps that motivation going?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Well, there's i mean really just scratching the surface and
what we're what we've done so far with our researchers,
so much more to uncover. You know a lot of
the stuff that we that we talk about, that we
discuss is you know, technically theoretical, even though you know,
we've we've had a lot of experiences, we've seen a
lot of things, you know, to try to uh, you know,

(01:00:49):
uncover how a lot of these things actually work. Like Okay,
we might see some strange phenomena or you know, we
talk about stargates in Egypt. Okay, what what exactly is
it that looking at and observing how how did these
things actually work? So there's a lot more to uncover here,
and the probably not going to uncover it all in
my lifetime. So you know, the idea is just get

(01:01:11):
as much knowledge as I can now, put it together,
and whether it's a book or a film or whatever,
pass it off to the next generation. Hopefully they pick
up the mantle and keep it going.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
What topic do you think we don't discuss enough. Is
it time travel? Is it ancient history? Relating to the phenomena?
What do you think it is?

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
How all these things are related really, because you know,
every every it seems like everybody has our niche. You know,
whether it is the UFOs or ancient history or the
time travel, it's really all related to each other. And
I think people don't realize those connections. I think if

(01:01:57):
we take a step back and look at each of
those and figure out how they're related, we can actually
uncover and unlock some of these other secrets, because I
think some of them it's you know, realizing that they
are related and one can actually answer the other.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
That's kind of the big question. Okay, what is what
is the big secret? But yeah, as far as like
when it comes to traveling intermensially ourselves or through time,
or you know, what were the lost civilizations all those
years ago? And just for example, we see evidence of
and I've been using the A word a lot here lately,

(01:02:42):
not Aliens, but Atlantis. And you know that that's another
one that just throws people into a tizzy. But we
see evidence of it there in Egypt and the walls
of ed food. But they're also talking in the in
the Texas around the walls, they're about stargates. So it
takes it a wait a minute to Egypt talking about stargates.

(01:03:03):
This is a story about Atlantis. Does this mean Atlantis
had stargates? And what does that mean if they had stargates?
You know, and we're talking, you know, eleven six hundred
years ago and that numbers like that just blow people's minds.
But we keep finding more and more and more evidence
of Yeah, there were the civilizations that existed long, long ago,

(01:03:25):
and they had technologies that you know, either were comparable
to us or you know, we're far more than what
we have today.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I know you love time travel. It's one of my
favorite subjects. Have you ever in your research met someone
or talked someone that claims to be a time traveler?

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Well, I think that depends on what your definition of
time traveler is, because you know, a lot of people
think that time travel is you know, like jumping into
a Dolorean, zipping off at eighty eight miles per hour
and get your flux capacitor or turned on and you know,
off you go. Uh, And I don't necessarily think it's
going to be that when it comes to real time travel.

(01:04:15):
But you do have those people that claim that you know,
as part of a military program and I've gone back
in time, et cetera, et cetera. Maybe again it comes
down to you know, do you do you trust the
person that that you're talking to? Do you take them
out their word? But there are others who have had,
you know, whether it's an experience they've had, or they've
gone into a meditative state, even astro projected, these other

(01:04:39):
different things, even remote viewing, you know, can can get
into this realm of time travel where I believe it
has more to do with meditation, the consciousness, and it's
just basically you're you're setting a frequency every moment in time.
So I have what I call stack time theory, where

(01:04:59):
you know, time is concurrence all ever present. We're stuck
in what we call the river of time. But where
you're sitting right now, every moment that has happened, is
happening and will happen all here right now. Every moment
like a photograph and a giant stack of photos. Each
of those photos, each of those moments has its own frequency,
and sometimes two of those moments resonate at the same frequency,

(01:05:21):
and they blend into each other, and that's what we
get what we call a time slip, and past is
interacting with the future, future is interacting with the past,
and they're each thinking that, you know, they're a ghost
or something like that. So we've had a lot of
these occurrences of these different time slips. Again, I think
a lot of times when people are doing things like
remote viewing or astro projector and things like that, they're

(01:05:43):
actually having a time related experience or some of these premonitions,
these premontory dreams that people have and they're getting glimpses,
glimpses of the future, and then you know, they wake
up and it might be that day, next, the next week,
a month later, and all of a sudden, the whole
thing plays out, well, that was a time related incident.

(01:06:04):
They actually did time travel there. So I think we're
already experiencing it, we just don't realize it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Do you think we have time travelers here right now? Yeah?
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I think the evidence of that is the Mendela effect
that things have been changed. Now, you google, you know
the top twenty Mendela effect incidents, and you're going to
find like you know fruit Loops and mister Monopoly and
all that sort of thing. Thro the loom. People are

(01:06:41):
not going back in time to change branding. You know,
it's too trivial. But I think things have been changed
enough back in time, and not even necessarily deliberately. Like
you could be crossing the streets, just an observer that
traveled back in time and just looking around. You're just
crossing the street and and you know somebody in their
car turns the corner has to stop as you're crossing

(01:07:04):
the street. Well, that just changed their timeline and where
they're aheaded and what they were doing. Even it was
just for a fraction of a second or two seconds,
it's going to change. And those ripple effects, like that
butterfly effect that has repercussions up and down the timeline.
And so I think that's what's happening. So when we
have these memories that are just like wait a minute,

(01:07:25):
now this was different, and you have all these other
people no connection to each other whatsoever, is that's not
The ones with the Mandel effect I look at are
like the obscure ones. I mean some of these I
do some I believe some of them are misremembering but
there are some obscure ones out there that are like,
I mean, you had somebody here in the United States
and somebody there over in Germany, another person in Australia

(01:07:49):
that I'll remember this the same way. They don't have
any connection to each other whatsoever, you know. So I
think that's where we are seeing evidence of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
That's your favorite Mendela effect, maybe your top two or
my own.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Yeah, my favorite one, and it is an obscure one.
So some years back, sitting down with my parents for
dinner and we're talking. We were talking about some of
the paranormal investigations and things that I had been on
at the time. I'm doing more of that back then,
and my mother and I got onto this conversation about

(01:08:32):
this this old black and white movie that that had
to do with these uh. The premise was essentially it was,
you know, I'd been World War two, this plane had
crashed with this crew, and they were basically ghosts that
were playing baseball. They didn't know that they had died,

(01:08:53):
but they were, but they were ghosts that were playing
baseball waiting to get picked up and get rescued.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
And and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
We're like, what in the world was that film. We
couldn't remember. We couldn't remember the name of it. So
I was like, I'll go home and I'll look it up.
So I went home. I start looking it up, can't
find it, Like what wait, I can't find this What
in the world? So I'm hunting around, hunting around, and
finally I came across a description of it early a

(01:09:24):
It was some forum that had to do with aviation,
old aviation films, and some people were asking the same question,
you know, I saw this film, what the heck was it?
Because I can't seem to find it, and people were
trying to say, well, you're either misremembering an old Twilight
Zone episode, which I know it wasn't a Twilight Zone,
or an old William Shatner film from nineteen seventy called

(01:09:48):
Soul Survivor, And people are like, no, it's not it
wasn't It wasn't a color film with Shatner from nineteen seven. No,
this was like an old nineteen fifties film or something.
So like, okay, let me watch this film. And so
I found it and I started watching it, and I'm like,
there's some parts of this that are familiar, but no,

(01:10:10):
it's it. This can't this, This can't be because it's
it's color. Shatner's in there all over the place, and
he wasn't a part of it. And so going on
and on and on, and the and the ghost knew
from from the get that they were dead, and but
they did play the baseball, so it was like that
was the one part. It was like, Okay, they're at

(01:10:32):
least doing that. And suddenly there's this this moment in
the film where there's this one guy that was part
of the Ghost crew. He was a little bit slow.
He had been over by the tents. Basically, it was
a salvage crew that came and they were trying to
you know, salvage the plane and uh, and see if

(01:10:53):
I could find the crew because I couldn't find the bodies,
Like what the heck happened to the bodies. So one,
this one slow guy, he's over there by the tents
and he's listening to a baseball game that they have
on the radio. And he comes back to the rest
of the Ghost crew and the guys are like, well, so, hey,

(01:11:14):
how was the game. What'd you think? And and the
guy was like, well, now, the game was pretty good,
but I don't understand how they moved Brooklyn to Los Angeles,
you know, as if you know they had moved the
entire city, not just the baseball team, like, but like
the entire city of Brooklyn to Los Angeles. And that's

(01:11:35):
the moment it clicked, because I remember that line from
when I was a kid. Is that being kind of
a funny moment in the film? I'm like, my god,
this is this film, But how in the world is
it so different? How in the world my mother and
I remembered it, you know, old school black and white
nineteen fifties film. Definitely no Shatner and the ghosts already
knew that they had They didn't know that they were dead.

(01:11:57):
And we weren't the only one. You know, Here's these
people in other parts of the country, other parts of
the world also remembering it the same way that we did.
So it's like something changed here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
My favorite one excuse me would be because I have
a sports background. I was a sports journalist for a
long time. Was the kidney punch in boxing. The reason
why I always felt and was taught the reason why
kidney punches were illegal in boxing was because the kidneys

(01:12:38):
were exposed in your back where like in lacrosse, you
wore a kidney protector. Okay, you didn't wear one in
hockey because your pants came up high enough that it
had like a high kidney protector on the back of
the pants. And that was because they were exposed. And
yet if you look at it now, the kidneys are

(01:12:59):
underneath the rib cage, right, yeah, when did that happen? Right?
But I mean you growing up, where were you taught
where the kidneys were your lower back?

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Or your heart or like yeah, or right along the
side there, yeah, lower back, to the to the side, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Or if you look at another piece of anatomy, your heart.
Like in Canada, we always like on Remembrance Day we
wear a poppy. The proper place to where a proppy
poppy is on your heart, on your left side. The
heart now seems to be more in the middle of
the chest, right than on the left side of the chest,
where we always thought I always thought it was, and

(01:13:42):
many others were taught that it was on the left side.
Because when you put your hand for a pledge of allegiance,
where do you don't put your hand in the center
you put it you put it on your left side.
Because that's where your heart is, and yet the heart
now in the middle is more in the middle. I
don't get that. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yeah, which that's that's even more bizarre because that's you're
talking now anatomy. So what in the world happened that
human anatomy changed? So that would have to be like
far distant past to change the evolution of human beings.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I keep meaning to bring that one up to my
My cousin's a doctor, and I keep meaning to bring
that up to him. We don't talk very often, but
it just absolutely enthralls me about the Mandela effect. You
do believe that there is something to it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Yeah, And like I said, I think that's our.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Is it me who's frozen or him?

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Because you're having you're having those ripple effects across time
as things change, you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Kind of you kind of froze up there for a second.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
No, Okay, I was just saying, I think the Mandela
effect is our proof of time travel actually happening, because
when something changes in the past is going to have
those ripple effects, it gets erased from our modern record.
And yeah, a lot of people are probably going to
remember it the way it got changed. To, but others

(01:15:29):
still have those memories of the old way, the way
it was before whatever change got changed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
So getting back to the whole time travel aspect, do
you think then that there are currently time travelers walking
on our timeline?

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Yeah? Absolutely, you know whether they are us, whether they
are other beings or interdimensional beings, because remember, you know,
time is the fourth dimension, so those other dimensions above
ours five, six, seventy eight, those beings that are living
in those other dimensions have access to all of time

(01:16:09):
because all time is concurrent, it's all there in the
fourth dimension. So they're coming in from another dimension. Then
they can choose a moment and experience our world and
change something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Do you think time travelers hypothetical question, are allowed to
talk to us or interact with fellow humans or would
that throw the whole time space continuing amount of whack.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Well, and a lot of people go out, well, that's
going to create a paradox or whatever. Well, yeah, and
those changes through the timeline, you know, eventually resolves those Yeah.
I know, we've always tried to put rules. I think
a lot of our science fiction storytelling has tried to
in part rules on time travel because the storytelling can
get a little murky because of those paradoxes, and so

(01:17:08):
how do you resolve those things? Well, will resolve them
by putting a rule set on it. But yeah, I
don't I don't think you know, those rules actually exist lately.
You know, if you if you talk to yourself, you're
going to blow up the you know, the universe or
something like that. You know, I don't think that's going
to happen. It will have repercussions, It will change something

(01:17:28):
along the timeline. Or you know, it could have been
something that always happened. You know, it was always supposed
to happen like that that you know, this person that
you didn't know was yourself talk to you and gave
you some piece of advice or whatever, and you did X,
Y and Z because of it, or they could have
even have done something to mess up your timeline. Now

(01:17:53):
you're going in another direction, and again those things are
going to play out and resolve themselves, but it will
change things up and down the timeline. So yeah, we're
you know, we're being interfered with with time travelers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
One of the other fascinating topics that absolutely intrigues me
is the idea of immortals being on the planet. I
mean this may sound a little bit more biblical, but
looking even back in your in your studies of ancient
aliens and everything like that, do you think immortals are here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
At least ones that are living for very very long
periods of time. So to me, somebody that we would
consider immortal would be outside that river of times. So
I mean that could be you know, for somebody that's
from another dimension or even outside than the known universe,

(01:18:55):
time's going to work very differently for them. So that
might be immortality, or.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Might just be.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Maybe an extended lifetime that you know, seems immortal to us.
That might extend for thousands and thousands of years, and
we have in our ancient cultures, you know, all these
stories and reports of people had these extra extra long lives.
You know, you get into the Bible, okay, you know
it was methuslo Is like nine hundred and sixty some
odd years old. But when you get into like ancient

(01:19:26):
sumer and ancient Egypt, now you have some kings that
are hanging around for you know, thousands, tens of thousands
of years, so much much longer periods. So to the
common person, that's going to seem pretty immortal. So yeah,
at least ones who are living for extended periods of time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
When you say extended periods of time, are we talking
about a century, two centuries, five centuries or more.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
We have people living a century now, so that's that's
not unheard of. But yeah, hundreds of years, maybe you know,
a thousand years something like that. You know, something that
would seem extended to us. I think it's you know,
totally within the realman possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Yeah, have you researched who in humanity may do that?
Would they have more of a biblical sense? Would they
be some sort of deity?

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Well, you have stories of like Count Saint Germain, who's
supposed to have lived like multiple multiple lifetimes. You know,
people reporting him, seeing him, you know, hundreds of years apart.
There was who's the Chinese guy who was like two
hundred and fifty years old or whatever because they had
him during back of the seventeen hundreds, and you know,
different accounts of him throughout the years. Uh So you

(01:20:53):
have the different stories like that, But then you have
others that you know, this idea throughout the ancient cultures
that you know that intermingling of the whether it was
the the Ananaki or the or you know, the fallen ones,

(01:21:13):
the Watchers who intermingled with uh, you know, the the
humans and created these these offspring that lived extra long.
Even up in Alaska, you have the the stories and
I've always I always thought that was kind of bizarre.
Like up in Alaska you have these stories of you know,
the the giants coming over from Siberia and intermingling with

(01:21:34):
the with the women up there and creating this other
race of beings. It's like, wait a minute, that's that's
like stuff like out of the Book of Enoch that
we're finding up there in Alaska. It's like, wonder, what
is that doing up there? But yeah, so you have
and you have people today that believe that they are
descended from them. And whether they are or not, I

(01:21:55):
can't answer for sure, but but you do have those
stories of per me that, yeah, there are people that
have descended from those that do live extra long periods
of time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
I haven't yet asked you a fun question, which is,
what's the scariest story or scariest encounter you've ever encountered?

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
No, uh, I mean that would be I mean for
me I mean, it was scary when it happened. That
would be when I was eight years old, the first,
you know, real substantial paranormal experience that I had, and
it was, you know, waking up in the middle of
the night. There's a tall, dark, shadowy figure in the

(01:22:42):
corner of my bedroom, you know, which today we would
call a shadow person, but at that point in time,
I had no idea that you call it a shadow anything.
I thought there was an intruder that broken into the
house and was there to either steal something or kill me,
because you know that's where your mind goes when you're
eight years old. It did get physical with me. It

(01:23:04):
came up to my bed, leaned over, and I'm trying
to scream. You know, nothing's coming out of my mouth
because I'm just too terrified, and you know, comes over,
leans across the bed and I'm staring at this blank
black face. There's nothing there, no eyes and nose, no amount. Nothing.
Takes me by the wrists like grabs my wrists, crosses
my arms, across my body, and then runs off down

(01:23:26):
the hall. And by that point I found my voice,
found my legs, ran off screaming in my parents' bedroom.
And you know, they're trying to console me, call me
down and tell me that I just had a bad dream,
but I knew I hadn't had a bad dream. I
was awake for the whole thing. And you know, that incident, yeah,
terrified me for a number of years. It was just

(01:23:47):
a one off, never happened again. Would never call it
a haunted house, nothing like that. And it wasn't really
until like later in my adult years where I started
getting some more perspective on it, and you know, talk
with different people, and I'm starting to meet people that
had other experiences and talk about these things. And I
had a couple of people suggest, well, you know, maybe,

(01:24:10):
you know, maybe I thought you were already dead and
was putting your uh, you know, crossing your arms like
that and put you into a burial post like crooked
flail sort of thing. It's like, that's kind of an
interesting perspective. I never thought of it in that light,
and so I started exploring other possibilities and ideas, and
that's when I ended up having the the hypnotic regression

(01:24:33):
to figure out what the heck really happened there, and
we were actually able to channel the being which was
fantastic and basically discovered that you know, this thing was
an an interdimensional being. That was basically they were on
a research mission from another dimension two hours they were
studying humanity and had that one had just been assigned

(01:24:57):
to a room of a human child that particular and
it wasn't trying to scare me at all. The whole
crossing the arms was once it realized that that I
was awake and it was scaring me because didn't originally
think that I could actually see it, but I did.
It crossed my arms like that kind of put me
in a self hug and then got out of there

(01:25:18):
so it stopped scaring me. So so nowadays it's like,
I don't chalk it up to a scary insect, except
knowing that it terrified me when I was that age.
But now looking back, I was like, oh, that's kind
of interesting, that's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Have you ever had a funny experience at the expense
of a ghost, a cryptid, or even a UFO sighting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
That's an interesting question, I know I have. I've never
been asked that one in an interview for a funny experience, hmm, yeah,
and I'll give you I'll give you a tough question,

(01:26:08):
because I know stuff has happened. I'm just trying to
wrack my brain right now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
I'll give you an example of something that happened with
us a number of years ago. Twenty thirteen. We were
playing with a spirit board, okay, and we were at
our friend's house. They had this small, little two bedroom
cabin type log cabin type house, and it was heated
by a wood stove. And it was ten thirty at night,

(01:26:33):
and my friend who owned the house, all of a
sudden realized, oh, it's getting warm in here. And he
looks over at the fireplace and it's burning, and so
he goes to the He goes to us adults. There
were three other adults there, myself included. He goes, did
any of you light a fire? No, goes to the kids.

(01:27:00):
We're still awake because it was a weekend night. Did
any of you kids light the fire because you know
you're not supposed to, And they're like, no, you don't
allow us to touch the wood stove. He goes, that
wood stove hasn't been burning since nine thirty this morning.
It's now ten thirty at night. So as we're on
the spirit board, the plan sheet with our fingers starts

(01:27:22):
going crazy and the lady of the house says, do
you know who started the fire? And it goes to yes,
and then she goes who was it? It spells out me,
and why did you start the fire? Spells out I

(01:27:44):
was cold, And they're thinking, okay, all right, we'll just
accept that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
I mean, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Yeah, you know, we'll we'll just accept that one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
So yeah, yeah, I did think of one. I got
one for you. So one is I think it was
probably one of the first investigations that I did when
I was in Oklahoma, and you know, we're at this
we're at this house and there was a there was

(01:28:17):
a child spirit that was there, and we're investigating the
one bedroom and doing kind of un normal stuff and
the one guy decides that it's kind of like a
trigger object. You know, we're gonna we're gonna play a game.
And he has his keys. He's like, if you want
to play with my keys, you can play with my keys,
and so you put the keys on the bed and

(01:28:40):
not much is really happening, but I got a couple
of hits in the K two or whatever, and he's like, okay, well,
I'm gonna leave my keys here. You can play with
him if you want to play with him. We have
to investigate some other rooms in the house. So we
go and we're investigating some other rooms wrapping. Then we
eventually start to wrap things up. So he goes to

(01:29:00):
get his keys that he had left in there on
the bed. They're gone. So we're walking around the house
looking through everything. Where did the keys go? You know,
did he pick them up? Did somebody else pick them up?
They get moved? You know, what the heck is going
on with the keys? So we're looking at it all
over that room all all it wasn't that big of

(01:29:21):
a house, you know that we're going to the living room,
all these areas we had, even in the kitchen area,
we had our equipment containers, and we're looking through the
equipment containers. And so i'd done that in the kitchen
and headed back to the little, you know, dynet area,
and you know, all of a sudden, there's like this

(01:29:43):
this rattle. It's like, what the heck happened? And so
it start walking back toward the kitchen and look down
in one of the containers, there's the dang keys. Oh
he had, And I forgot to mention he had mentioned
he had shouted across from hey, you know, okay, if
if you took my keys, you know, remembering that he

(01:30:06):
told the kid, you could you know, you can play
with the keys. Okay, if you took the keys, please
give them back. And that's where I heard the rattle
into the into the container, and it was like, well,
there they are. That is weird, man, Yeah, that is
we took them to the other dimension or something. What's

(01:30:27):
your closest scrypted encounter. Huh. Yeah, I don't necessarily know
if I had. I mean, I used to grow up
with the woods behind my house, but mostly it was
the dogs back there because there's there's another house was

(01:30:49):
way back in the woods, and those dogs would always
go chasing after us through the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
I can't necessarily say if i've if I've had one.
Even even when you were in Alaska going through the Triangle. Yeah,
when I was Alaska, I mean I was on I
was on base. I had shadow people encounters there in
the Alaska Command Building. Everybody had shadow people encounters in
the Alaska Command Building in that basement that was that

(01:31:20):
was kind of crazy down there. Yeah, there was the
moose incident. But that's not encryptied moo a.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Man, the moose are the most deadliest.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Oh yeah, you don't want to mess with them. It
was I was working, I was working a part time
job in addition to the uh you know, my Air
Force job, and my ex wife had come to pick
me up. And so we're driving back home and it's
we're going down Muldoon Have It's a very well lit street,
kind of a main drag that ends up taking into
the downtown area, and we're we're driving and talking. Up

(01:31:55):
ahead in the middle of the road is is you
know giant moose? And we're getting closer, We're getting closer.
She just keeps talking. At some point I just got
it turn and I'm like, are you gonna try to
miss the moose? And finally she saw it, slams on
the brakes. She she doesn't one ad into a snow
bank with the car. The moose goes running off, and
it's like, do you not see the moose standing right

(01:32:18):
there in the middle of the road. But to me,
I was cracking up because it was like, are you
gonna try to miss the moose?

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
They look so clumsy and dumb and yet they kill
more people than than bears do every year.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
Mm hm, oh, it was horrific. When I was up there,
there was somebody that was coming out of just out
of the college library, and but a moose in her
calf had been near the area. And the only thing
we could think of is that the mother must have

(01:32:54):
thought that just as a person walking out of the
library not thinking anything of it, they got their books
and it must been a little bit too close to
the caf and attack the person killed him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's there. They are horrible. My buddy Merle,
paranormal investigator, he was on last night. He was he
was out hunting a few years ago and him and
his buddy separated to watch this meadow because they'd been
watching a buck deer down there, and he heard something
come up behind him and he thought it was his

(01:33:25):
buddy and he's like, quiet, quiet, you know this is
gonna come in here, Like you're being way too loud,
and he slowly turns and looks and there's a bull
moose right behind him within feet and so Merle just
you have to freeze because moose have terrible eyesight, but

(01:33:47):
they have an incredible nose and even better ears, so
the moose could smell him, but he couldn't see him
because Mike was wearing camouflage. Yeah, right, And he said
the moose got up to him with about eighteen twenty
four inches and finally the moose just kind of didn't

(01:34:11):
like what it smelled and kind of slowly backed away.
But he said, Dave, he goes, I've never shited my
pants before, he goes, But that's the closest I've ever come,
he goes. I didn't think I was coming out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Yeah, I get that close to the moose. Uh No,
I would not want to, not at all. No, you
had some idiot there. Again, when I was in Alaska
have animal stories like that cryptis stuff, but actual animals.
There was a polar bear up there named Binkie the Bear,
and I think the woman was from Australia and wanted

(01:34:49):
to get a closer picture. And the polar bears looked
like they were asleep in the cage at the moment. Well,
you had basically there were there were three fences. You
had the fence that was there along the path, there
was another like little middle fence, and then there were
the bars of the actual cage. And basically this woman,
you know, hopped both of the middle fences and got

(01:35:10):
right up there to the bars of the cage, which
are just vertical bars. And I was trying to get
the photo, and just like that, there's Binkie just you know,
reaching a claw through and grabbing the leg and like
ripped out a chunk. It's like, you know, that's that's
why the fences were there. You know, you don't hop

(01:35:31):
the fences to try to get closer picture of the
polar bear.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Oh man, we have people all across BC and going
into Alberta where you know, like if around Bamff, where
you'll get the tourists who all of a sudden will
see a grizzly bear on the side of the road
or a black bear on the side of the road,
and they'll get out of the vehicle thinking that, oh,
look at this cute little thing. It's Winnie the Pooh,

(01:35:56):
let's go pet it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Smoky Mountains when I was a kid,
there's a black bear cub that was up in the tree.
And my dad's now there are all kinds of other
people that had stopped or were taking photos and and
so he's like Okay, I'm gonna gaut and take one too.
My mother is chewing them out, and he's just like, well,

(01:36:18):
if the mama bears around, all those other people are
up are there up front, the mom is gonna get
them first before me. It's like, well, I don't know
if you can actually argue with that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
We had one in my four years ago. I live
in an area where there's a lot of wildlife, okay,
and my son is outside. His one buddy lives across
the street. His other buddy lives two houses down in
our in our cul de sac, and they were all
going to meet out after dinner to go play outside,

(01:36:52):
and all of a sudden, my son comes running in
the door. Bear bear, Bear, bear bear. So he literally
watched this deer take off down the road, down our
street and into the cul de sac which has some
trees then a path going down, and this black bear
races on past. Go find them, right, So a couple

(01:37:15):
of days later, this bear comes back, and my neighbor
across the street was a conservation officer or a forestry officer,
so we we treat this bear. We're just following it, right,
we find it up in a tree. I got my
boy with me, and you know, I got my dad
on FaceTime and he's at a barbecue and oh look,

(01:37:38):
I'm a bear in the tree and the bear starts
coming down, and I just you know, the bear was
too young and stupid where literally I'm like, hey man,
you can't come down. You can't come down. It's not
going to be good for any of us if you
come down right now. So we're going to leave, give
us a couple of minutes and then you can come down.
And as I'm saying this, the bear's like, yeah, yeah,

(01:38:00):
that makes sense, crawls back up the tree. That what
he's for us to leave before coming back down and
take it off mad but it's wild. Let's get to
a couple of audience questions because we are running out
of time here. T Bone is wondering, is the Smithsonian
the greatest thieves of all?

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
Well that that's a tough question. They are darned, pretty
darn good thieves, but you have there have been a
lot of thieves over the centuries. Of course, there was
everybody's familiar with the Iraq antiquities back in what was
that two thousand and three, and how that place was

(01:38:42):
just looted and they knew specifically which pieces to go
to to take out the museum there. You've had that
through eachy of there's the one just recently there where
they stole the bracelet and melted it down. The world's that,
but you've had stuff stolen for centuries all over the place.

(01:39:03):
But yeah, the Smithsonian, they like the hide stuff, you know,
like all the giant bones and everything, like they get cataloged.
You know, there's a lot of times there's a number
of signed to it and then just disappears, and you know,
it was really bad back in the day. You had
you know specifically, well, the big problem was the curator

(01:39:26):
at the time, I forget his name, but to him,
anything that was like pre Columbian, pre Christopher Columbus, uh
coming this way, it was it was heathen and we
just didn't you know, count that at all as being
legitimate history. So unfortunately a lot of it was destroyed
or just went missing. That sort of thing. I'm mixed

(01:39:50):
on any of the current people there at the Smithsonian
because you probably have people working that have no idea,
they don't know where anything is, or you know, they
may have heard the stories, but they're you know, they're
just like, okay, you have a number, let me look
it up, and like, well, yeah, the numbers in the system.
But we don't have an object for it, and they
probably have no idea. But there probably are some people
there that are still holding on to the secrets that

(01:40:11):
have been passed down through the last one hundred and
fifty years.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Do you think this is smith Sodian is as evil
as the conspiracy says that they are holding on to
the skeletons of recent giants or even bodies of Bigfoot
or dog Man.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
I think some of that stuffs there, and now what
may have happened to it? Is it there? And like
the secret vault that only a couple have access to,
or you know, was it destroyed over time? I mean
it's hard to say. I think there's going to only
be a couple of people with that knowledge and that access,
So I can't necessarily say like the entire organization is

(01:40:54):
evil or whatever. But you know, you do have people
from back in the day that set a pretty terrible
precedent and now there's you know, there's a narrative that
has to be held on too, So anybody that's in
that no is they're not talking at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
How come nobody ever talks from the Smithsonian. We never
hear them talking about anything unless it's on like PBS network.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Right, it's very vanilla. Yeah, you know, it's just gonna
be basic, you know history, it's gonna toe the line,
that sort of thing. That's what they do, you know.
So it's like, you know what, they'll throw us literally
pun intended, they'll throw us a bone on occasion. Here
you here, you go, here, here's a little here's a
little thing from the from the collection. I mean, this

(01:41:46):
is an institution, and there are there are places like
this around the world, not just the Smithsonian, but like
the British Museum and others that you know, they have
warehouses full of stuff. Like when when you go to
the museums, you're just getting a small sample size, uh
of what they have, and you know they have warehouses
and warehouses full of stuff that's been a lot of

(01:42:06):
it you just straight up say it was looted. It's
like you have like the with the New York Metropolitan
you have an entire temple from Egypt that's in there.
You go to the British Museum, you have these you know,
wonderful wolf freezes from ancient sumer and they're they're absolutely gorgeous.

(01:42:27):
And you know, on one hand, some people make a
case for well, if they were if they were left
back in their original country, they may have been destroyed
by now we're actually preserving them. Well maybe, you know,
because I know that in some of these places there's
a lot of conflict in that sort of thing, but
it's it's their history. Again, with the Iraq Museum, I

(01:42:50):
mean that that place was just totally looted, I get it,
but it was it was their history. So those artifacts
should go back to there, but they find their way
into other collections and other museums.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
What mystery intrigues you the most about this planet?

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
Yeah, I'm really fascinated about the multi dimensional aspects, the
connections in the ancient world, the lost civilizations, you know,
what was the world like, you know, twelve thousand years ago?
Who were those civilizations?

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
These?

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
You know, you get into some of the ancient texts
and they'll talk about one cataclysm, like everybody knows about
the flood, and you know, we find that the Bible,
we find that in the ancient Sumerian texts, we find
that you know, other cultures and civilizations have talked about that,
but you find other ones that were like, well, yeah,
there was that one, and then there were others before that,

(01:43:49):
there were other cataclysms. So a lot of that stuff
intrigues me too. So I mean, and I know you
want a specific answer, but usually my answer is all
which it all interests me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
I love it. I love it. We only got a
few more minutes here before we have to say good.
I know you got to get going, and I got
to get going too. Hitting the road, my friend, hitting
the road. What's doing your research? What's doing your books
that you want to get out to the world.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
Yeah, well, right now, I'm working on a Stargates of
Ancient Egypt film, so that should be coming out here
sometime this summer. It's in post production right now. I'm
really really looking forward to getting that out there. So
it basically doubles down on a lot of my research
out of Portals to the Stars and the tours that
I do with Mohammed Ibrahim. So we have another Stargates

(01:44:47):
of Ancient Egypt tour coming up really a year from now.
It's March twenty first through April second. So yeah, a
year from now, we'll be flying out to Egypt again
and yeah, exploring other places. So we have a tour
to Turkey coming up here and at the beginning of September,
which following that as a tour to Germany. So doing

(01:45:09):
a lot more tours, and we're also looking at setting
up one to Mexico next year as well, which we're
still in the trying to finalize all that stuff. So yeah,
going to these places and it and I enjoy bringing
others along, so it's like we're all discovering different things together,

(01:45:31):
you know, yeah, researching, gathering information for my books and
films and things like that, but you know, we're all
enjoying in the adventure together.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
Do you ever think there will come a time when
any of these mysteries that you just that you were researching,
or that I talk about on a nightly basis, do
you think we'll ever find the answers, the true answers
to it, not the hidden cover ups. M Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Some you know what's fascinating is you know we'll get
like a little answer here and a little answer there,
and really it begs us to ask like twenty more
questions after that. I think, you know, we'll get we'll
get that one answer like yeah, there's something. Oh but
wait a minute, if that's true, what about this? And
what about this? Or what about so? And that's part

(01:46:22):
of the journey, and that's part of the adventure, and
so the short answers. No, I don't think we're ever
going to learn it all. But it's all there for
the taking because going back to time, if all time
is ever present, past, present, future, that means that all

(01:46:43):
the knowledge of the universe is also here. Everything that
ever was learned that everybody knows right now, and everything
that anybody will learn is all accessible to us. So
it is all there. It's just a matter of us
getting to it, but in our lifetimes.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
No, I don't see it that way, only because I'm
tired right now. Mike, Yeah, I'm tired. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
You think we'll learn it all and we'll just be yeah,
we're done.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
No, No, I there are certain mysteries I don't want solved,
and I know that sounds really selfish for what we do.
I don't want the public to know about Bigfoot, okay,
because I don't want it exploited the way the paranormal
world was exploited. The way we see UFOs going, you know,

(01:47:37):
leave Bigfoot alone. You know what I'm saying, He hasn't
done anything. And I know it's a clickbaity world out
there right now, you know, and that popularity brings other
people out to try and find things because there is
no education to this stuff. So everybody in the world

(01:47:58):
is a bigfoot investigator or a paranormal investigator searching for
UFOs at night. And I guess the way I look
at it is, I really hope some of these don't
get solved because when we see people, whether it's television
at times, I'm not saying with what you've done, but
sometimes with these television shows or what we see with
the government with UFOs and et contact, the way that

(01:48:21):
they're trying to control that narrative, it just takes the
fun out of it. Like uphology is not fun for
me anymore, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Well, no, we start getting into those congressional hearings and
all that. I mean, they it's it's pretty well sanitized,
and it reminds absolutely reminds me of back when I
was in the military and it was it was very,
very rigid, and yeah, it does kind of take the
fun out of it all. So and I just enjoy

(01:48:52):
I hear what you're thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
I enjoy having fun with a bigfoot, you know, Mike,
I'm gonna get you to give a little bit of
a rundown of where people can find your work, where
people can find when you're gonna be on another podcast
or anything like that, because you are always on the move, man,
and I just want to make sure our people can
get to your information. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Absolutely, Well I've got on the screen right there, Mike
Ricksecker dot com. That's my primary website. So yeah, you
just go to my events and tours tab. You can
find out my event schedule find me so you I've
got Cierravis Supernatural conference coming up here in Arizona, paras
Icon in Ohio. The tours that I was talking about,

(01:49:38):
have a in New York. I need to get this
on my event schedule, but we just finalized everything. Have
a three day series of doing in New York in
the middle of July, so you can find all that stuff.
Mike ricccer dot com. Sign up for my newsletter out
there and you'll get updated and all the different things
that are going on. But yeah, I'm all over social

(01:49:59):
media Facebook, Instagram, TikTok Twitter, Mike got my YouTube channel,
I've got my podcast, Connecting the Universe, so all that
fun stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
Mike, I will say a big thank you once again.
I always love it when you're on the show and
you just bring so much genuine fun and curiosity to
these topics. You really do, and that's why I hold
you in such high esteem for your great work. Thank
you so much for being a friend of Spaced Out
Radios and I always wish the best for you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Yeah. Thanks, And likewise, Dave, and you know, it's been
great to see your success over the years and I
always have a great time coming on your show.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
But we'll do it again. We're allowed. Absolutely, We're gonna
cut this show off a little bit short here, guys,
because Mike's got to get up early. I got to
start making my way to the Vancouver Airport, which is
about five hours away from me, and I'm going to
enjoy a nice scenic drive through the mountains in the

(01:51:00):
middle of the night. And so thank you very much
everybody for listening in tonight. I apologize that it is
a shorter show, but we are going to make sure
that you guys have a good time with each and
every one of us here, so thank you very much.
We're gonna call it the night and we'll talk to
you very soon. Everyone. Where's that button? There? It is,

(01:51:23):
Thanks Mike Hey helping my friends YouTube. You need to

(01:53:05):
pay on money, give me a call always dad, Take
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