These BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS will scare the daylights out of you!

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(03:59):
Your hair looks per fick for tonight.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well, thank you, Dave.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Oh you're you're actually not rolling your eyes at me
for once. That's actually very nice. I'm not used to this.
Right now, I'm going to capture that moment it is short,
and replay it and replay it and replay it some more. So,
mister Strickler, I hear you have a brand new book out.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, I do. It's a glimmer Man cloak beings that
move among us. It's you know, it's something that we've
been working on for quite a while, myself, Kyle philbin
and and Cam cam Hale, and we did the book together.

(04:52):
It's actually they kind of got started with and started
getting reports of these he's uh translucent beings about a
dozen years ago or so. We started working together, putting cases,
you know, and putting them on the blogs and them
talking about it on their on their podcast. But uh yeah,

(05:15):
and uh we put it all together. Came out about
three weeks ago and it's doing quite well actually, so
uh yeah, I'm happy with it.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
For our audience who may not know what glimmer Man is,
could you please describe him?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, it's a if you if you're The first thing
I got to say is if you're familiar with the
Predator movies and the alien being in the Predator movies
that has the ability to cloak into it like a
translucent being. Yeah, it's very similar to that, and that's

(05:51):
what people describe. Many times. They talk about it having
yellow eyes, occasionally clicking, the clicking sounds like in the film, and.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
There's just a.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Lot of similarities to it. Though we don't know if
it's Ailien. We don't know what it is, but it's
definitely something that our an energy or a being has
the ability to show up like that. People describe it
as looking kind of like glass seen looking, or a
heat wave or water or something. Many times it's seen

(06:27):
by hunters, especially those who are in deer stands and
up in the trees and they kind of see a
movement on another tree and they watch it and they
get this outline of a human like being. But that's
not the only place. I mean, we've been getting sittings
residential and you know, people seeing them in their yards

(06:48):
or just running across them in different places. So yeah,
and actually we're still getting reports, and so we'll be
doing another book. We possibly possibly will be But I
don't know at this point. But you know, it's something
people have been talking about more recent years, and I
kind of believe this is really the first book that's

(07:10):
come out with you know a lot of original and
sourced reports about the phenomena.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
This book that you put together. How many encounters are
people having with these, said Glimmerman.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I don't know how many we have in the book.
I'd say probably between seventy to eighty of them are
in the book.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
But it's not like it's a huge waiver or anything.
It's just that you know, people will see this that
they get, they put out an inquiry as to what
it is, and you know, many times they mistaken for
something else, possibly a ghost or a spirit or a
manifestation of something else. But yeah, when they when they

(08:00):
start seeing the humanoid effect of it and the way
it kind of creeps around in the trees, and it
doesn't really engage with people. It's almost like the beings
are just watching and learning and you know, whatever that is,
whatever they do. But yeah, it's a really enigma at

(08:22):
this point. But hopefully we're going to start getting more
and more as a result of the book. More and
more accounts, and I know people are seeing them. It's
just one of those things that I just don't you know,
people don't know what it is, and they're just not
going to say a whole lot about it. And fortunately
we had a few people who were brave enough to
come forward with it, and so we had enough for

(08:46):
a book and we'll continue on that. It's an ongoing investigation.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Has anybody ever been attacked by one of these glimmer men?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
When you see attacked physical attack, now, I think people
are kind of freaked out when they notice it and
it just keeps even though it's hard to see the eyes.
I mean, they just don't know what to think about
this being it's in their vicinity and watches them. And
in many cases it sticks around and people do hear

(09:23):
the clicking and other sounds that it makes in the
woods at night, So there's some corporeal aspect to it,
but for the most part, it just seems to hang
around and you know, make itself known on occasion, and
that's what we're trying to figure out what it is.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
A lot of reports that I've read on this, and
you mentioned it already, is that it stalks people, but
it never seems to do anything violent towards them. What
do you think it's doing when it's stalking people? I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
I mean, you know, is it just checking behavior?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Is it just.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
You know, what what a beings do that watch people?
I mean, you know a lot of times, let's just
say you got a shadow being. You know, well, there's
a distinction there because they've got an agenda. Now does
this being have an agenda? Is there something about them
watching and just following people around? We don't know. We

(10:29):
just don't know, and but hopefully we can come up
with some answers.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, I hope that you do, because you know, that's
what I love about this this field that we're in
lawn is so many times we have these incredible, incredible
encounters that just do not make sense. They really shift
people's reality to everything that is truly going on. And

(10:58):
here's another example of that with the glimmer man. I mean,
the best case that I know of is jan Macaby,
where she actually caught a photo of it. This was
the wife of late scientist Bruce Macaby, and she was
up in her deer hunting stand. Just like you said,
many of them happen in deer hunting, stands when she's

(11:20):
heard something moving through the trees. She you know, being
a deer hunter, you don't move. You have to learn
patience and stillness because the deer are so aware of
any sort of movement before us. So she moves her
eyes over and she sees this glimmering creature staring at
her from the next tree. I mean, that's kind of
the way it happens with these encounters. They sneak up.

(11:43):
I don't even know if the creature saw her, and
I don't even think she knows that the creature saw
her because of the camouflage she was wearing.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, her count is probably the original account that most
of this is based on. And but one thing about
this phinom.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Is that.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
It doesn't vary a whole lot. It's very for the
most part, her encounter is very much the same as
everybody else is. Of course, there's gonna be some differences,
but yeah, it's it's just you know, when I first
heard about it, I didn't really think much of it,
you know, I thought maybe it was like a ghost

(12:24):
or some type of hidden energy. But as time going
on and people started realizing that they were seeing something
that was quite unusual. Then the reports started coming in,
So yeah, I mean, it's it's just one of those things.
You know, the cryptids in the paranormal are never going

(12:44):
to be a moot point. There's always gonna be something
else that pops up that we just don't know about,
and we're going to take some time and look into
it and hopefully get answers. But yeah, this is kind
of something that's kind of raised its ugly head in
recent years. And uh, you know, and there'll be more.

(13:05):
I'm quite sure there'll be more beyond that. When you
look at this creature, are they seen in certain areas
or are they spread out like a bigfoot or a
dog men? Oh yeah, they're They're everywhere. I mean, we're
we're getting them in residential areas now too. Now, I

(13:26):
don't know, I really believe we've had many in urban
areas and cities and such. But in in liminal areas
where there's you know, abandoned buildings and other things. Uh, yeah,
people have seen them there. So it kind of seems
to hang out in areas that aren't too crowded. Uh,

(13:48):
and of course in the woods and such, and uh,
in wilderness. But yeah, it doesn't seem to be uh
too you know, too busy or too uh too active
in areas where there are a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Please describe lin As we're talking about your brand new
book here that you have out with Kylie Filson and
Cameron Hale called Glimmerman Cloak beings that move among us.
Talk about the heat shimmering portion of this. Yeah, it's
really weird.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I mean, they're they're the first thing they notice is
that the shimmering being itself, the translucency though they can
kind of see through it, the waves are distinguishable, you know,
by sight, and uh, it's kind of one of those
things that like if you look directly they at it.

(14:45):
It kind of camouflages more so that if you're kind
of catching in a peripheral site where you can actually
see something moving about.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
But yeah, that the shimmering is the that's just thinkive
aspect of it. And you know, whatever technology of these
things you are, maybe it's something that's inherent to it.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, that we that's something we just don't understand. So
is it an altraterrestrial? Probably? Is it extraterrestrial? Could be so, yeah,
we just don't are could it be encrypted or something
else that just finds a way to maintain some type
of camouflage.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
You mentioned that urban areas are starting to get this.
I always thought that they happened in forests.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
No, it's we've been having them in what like I
consider a liminal area where you know, it's it's an
abandoned area or someplace where people just don't congregreate like
they used to, and uh, maybe they feel safe there,
but they seem to do you know, as far as
being in an urban area, that's probably as close as

(15:57):
it comes. A lot of times, Uh, those show up
around residential areas that are in the woods or in
the outdoors or in more rural areas. But yeah, they
kind of they kind of like that. It just seems
like they like to hang around in these liminal areas
where they're just you know, there's it's it's hard to

(16:19):
describe where they just seem to show up congregate the
best they can watch what's around them, and uh, yeah,
that's that's basically it this point.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Why are some people who've ented interactions with these things, Man,
they say that like almost like they could feel them on,
like they could feel the energy.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I think they can connect with them somewhat. You know,
we hear that encrypted sightings as well, when people have
encounters with Bigfoot or dog Man or something maltman where
they do feel that they connect with them in some degree.
They can hear them and communicating or trying to communicate,

(17:03):
or maybe it's something that's some type of mind speak.
But in many cases, as with cryptids and other supernatural beings,
there always seems to be a small type of connection
there somehow. So yeah, many times people will say that
they're around them, they know there's somethings around around the area,

(17:25):
but they just can't pinpoint until they finally do see
this thing. So yeah, it's just people we're looking into.
Sorry about that. Are people seeing them daytime or nighttime
or like most crisp cryptids at dusk, it's mostly during
your day, man, that's mostly during your day.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
That surprises me.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, it is kind of different compared to what other
cryptids or other phenomena, you know, kind of hiding in
the shadows. But these things, you know, they you know,
that's probably why they use the camouflage so they can
move around during the day or attempt to move around,
but you know, their gender or why they do it

(18:13):
or the reasons we're doing and are just unknown to
usist time.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
How big are they?

Speaker 3 (18:22):
They're usually normal human size five to six foot. I
don't think we've had many that have been beyond that.
They're usually somewhat slender, but I would say average adult size.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Have people ever seen them transform into something else?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Not that I know of, and that's one part of
this that we have been trying to distinguish. But as
far as coming out of that camouflage mode, not really
unless unless they do see it and they just don't
recognize what they're looking at, and that very well could be.
You know, you hear that with a lot of shape

(19:06):
shift or type beings where they were, you know, they
would just totally disappear and then suddenly the shimmering shows up.
And we've heard that with the We've heard that with
the wing humanoids as well, where they can kind of
move in and it seem like they're moving in and
out between invisible gateways or doorways. And though we don't

(19:29):
have any these wing humanoid stettings or where they're actually
cloaking to some degree, but I would I would venture
to say that as far as you know we we
do consent. I do consider many cryptis to be alterterrestrial
beings that kind of move out between dimensions or realities. Possibly.

(19:52):
I think it's pretty well the same thing here. I
don't think they're here all the time. But then again,
I could be right, you know, I could be wrong
about them.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
We got about four minutes ago. Lon Strickler from Fantoms
and Monsters dot Com is our guest. We're talking about
his brand new book written with Kyle A. Philson and
Cameron Hale, called Glimmerman Cloaked Beings that Move among Us.
You can find it on Amazon or at Fantomsomonsters dot com.
Right now, have there ever been reports of animals reacting

(20:25):
to this dog's cats, house pets?

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, they see them, and to what degree. They probably
can see them and send them much more than we can,
which is probably normal for pets and animals having an
innate ability to pick up on things like that. But
they do react to it. And it does seem that kids, younger,

(20:50):
younger folks kind of react to it a little bit
better too, especially very young. You don't seem afraid of it,
but you know they're aware of it.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Right, right? What about these creatures. Have they ever been
spotted going into somebody's.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
House off hand? Not really, They're very close, but as
far as going into a location, especially an occupied location,
that's very rare, very rare.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
So it's not like dog Man or Bigfoot that that
seems angry where it's trying to get into somebody's place.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean, I mean sometimes they will go into
places that they're not supposed to be, but as far
as the glimmer man goes, uh, yeah, we that's very rare. Uh.
They will get as close as they can, but there
just seems to be something just instinctive that just keeps
them from doing that or going beyond what they feel

(21:59):
safe with.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hmm. Okay, So that one surprises me because I mean
when you look at these creatures that are that are
you know out there that we that were familiar with
the Bigfoot, the dog Man, the you know, the gnomes
or or whatever, it always seems to be around hot
spots of people, you know, where where they're trying to

(22:23):
have maybe some sort of scary interaction with them. Yet
in this case, it seems more like they're they're almost
like watchers on like you know, almost like peeping.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Toms, yeah, yeah, and watchers like again, that's a good
description of them. You know, they just seem to hang
around and keep an eye on what's going on around them.
And but as to why it does or why they
do it, we just don't know. But it's, uh, it's

(22:54):
just concerning. I think. I don't think people are really
fearful of them to as you know, opposed to a
dog man or a bigfoot, But I think I think
the apprehension and the unknowing is probably the main concerns
when people do have encounters with them.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Has anybody been close enough to get an image of
their face?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
We we haven't had anything. I have seen. I have
seen a couple of photographs where the shimmering is seen
in trees and it can be picked up on a camera,
but again that's very rare now, you know. I know
there is one photograph of a h and this was

(23:43):
taken in Ohio of a being that actually looked like
a bigfoot that was either trying to cloak himself in
this manner where like one half of it was shimmering
and the other half was a bigfoot. Now I don't
know if that was a anomaly with the camera or
or what it was. But it did seem that it

(24:05):
was in the mid transition of some type and a
lot of people have tried to explain this a way
as being uh, some type of cloaking abilities with that
cryptizab or Bigfoot in particular. I don't know if that's
true or not. You know, I kind of went into
this thinking that maybe what it was, but as time
is going on, I just I'm just not really sure

(24:26):
if that's the you know, the facts.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
All right, let's get to our good friend Lawn Strickler
here from fanomsomonsters dot com. We'll continue with Glimmerman talk.
We'll also get into some of the scary, scory stories
that Lawn has provided for us this week. It's gonna
be great next half hour with spaced out radio and
Lawn Strickler. All right, Lon, we're clear, m the cryptid

(25:10):
Huntress is hanging out lurking in our chat room. Hello,
Yesca Jones, how are you, beautiful? TCR how you doing
in his drum studio blaming me for not practicing his drums?

(25:31):
Thank you, thank you. Let's watch Lan take a nice
sip of that pepsi. Oh yeah, that's nice. Angelina Bennett's

(25:53):
how are you? She's got a picture of the haunted
doll from Quinnell. That's Mandy. Angelina is the investigator I
was telling you about Lawn that is totally prepped and
ready for flight twenty one. She's been to ask kicker

(26:17):
out there. I'm going to hide behind her.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Brian Russell, how you doing all the way from Florida?
Thank you for tuning us in and staying up late,
my friend. Nice comment right there, Good evening, David Lawn
from Florida. Me through the insomnia tonight the all rock.
You know what the best compliment for me, Brian is
is somebody who tells me that I was able to

(26:46):
allow themselves to sleep. My voice put them to sleep.
A lot of people would say that that is an insult.
I look at it as an absolute compliment, because, you
know what, we all need to relax, and some of
us can't relax anymore. But if I'm able to do
that for you, that is great. So lay back, relax.

(27:11):
We'll take it from here, Brian. All right? Who else
hopped in here? Oob to Joe's Maine. You've got aliens? Yes,
you do? You got big feats too, and gorgeous hair.
We got about three minutes. Lon m Angelina's laughing at
me right now. It's told her I'm going to hide

(27:33):
behind her. M hm. Now, Mandy there David Weatherley's book
on on the top ten most Haunted dolls from about
eight nine years ago. Mandy was in that book and

(27:58):
when they came up here, I took them to visit
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(30:44):
spaced out radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott. We
got the legendary Lawns Strickler from Fantomsomonsters dot Com hanging
on out with us, and we are having a great
night talking about the glimmer Man and his brand new book.
That's Lawn's new book, Glimmerman Cloaked Beings that Move among
Us can be found on Amazon or at Fanomsomonsters dot com.

(31:06):
He has co written it with Kyle A. Philson and
Cameron Hale. I got to get those guys on the
show one, I really do you gotta.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, they have a very very good podcast and they
got a big following, So yeah, you're good interview as well.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Let's make that happen, my friend. Just a couple more
questions about Glimmerman before we kind of move on here.
Why are the encounters always seem so brief with these creatures?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah? I wish I knew that myself. I mean, but
there have been occasions where they have hung around locations
for quite a long time, especially out in the woods.
So yeah, for the most part, they're kind of just like, uh,
you know, like a ghost or spirit or anything else
that just shows up and then makes a brief and

(32:00):
fleeting appearance and then it's gone. Yeah, we just we
don't know why they do that.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Has anybody ever disappeared after seeing one of these things,
not that I know of, No, And just typically when
people are out in the forest, these things are around.
It's just like any big game animal where all of
a sudden, everything goes quiet.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, it does. Yeah, it's it's a disconcerting feeling from
what I've heard, especially from hunters who are just so
used to being out there and hearing the sounds of
the woods and just everything quiets. And you know, I've
actually encountered that myself when I used to hunt, and

(32:46):
that is a that's a weird feeling.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Oh, there is nothing weirder, man, When all of a
sudden you hear the birds chirping, the squirrels, the chipmunks
going you know, you even hear the dragonflies flying on by,
and then the frogs in the background, and then all
of a sudden, everything's dead quiet. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, we get, especially around here in this part of
the part of the woods, we we have especially in
the summer, I mean in the spring, in the fall,
we have what we call peepers, these small little frogs
or toads that go out in the woods and they're
out there making a racket at pohen, you know, and
you're kind of used to hearing them all the time.
But yeah, when they go quiet, then you're looking. I

(33:34):
can't even remember really noticing anything other than what should
have been there as opposed to when they go quiet
and seeing, you know, seeing something that's not supposed to
be there. But it is very disconcerting.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
One of the things that I find very very intriguing
about it, it doesn't matter whether it's bears or deer
or wolves or anything, is how still they can be
to blend in with the environment. They go like concrete
and cryptids seem to do the exact same thing. When

(34:14):
you're you know, as humans, if you hear something or
you're feeling something, you're scanning your eyes really really quick.
You're not taking the time to actually focus your eyes
in to see what could be looking back at you.
And I think we lose a lot of sightings because
of that one.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Oh, I'm quite sure we do. Yeah, I'm sure we do.
Because you know, when you go in that kind of
fight or flight mode and you're looking around, of course,
you get the fear level up, and you're trying to
figure out what you're looking at, and these things are
either hidden to a point where you're not gonna be
able to distinguish them in the freeze or in the

(34:54):
brushes and stuff. And yeah, I think I think a
lot of I think a lot of sightings or are
not made because of.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
That, I would agree, you know, like I know one
of the times we were out there, my friend Lally,
my first Nation's friend. I told you all about her.
When we were out there after the loud tree knocks,
she swore she saw one standing at about ten eleven
feet up facing us, and the minute I went to

(35:26):
look in that area, she said, she watched it drop,
almost like it kneeled down, and I couldn't see it.
By the time I went to look there, I could
not see it, but she was. She I mean, this
thing was maybe, you know, at a long distance forty

(35:47):
five feet, but that's me looking at it from my
head right now. I would say probably closer to thirty feet.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
And you know, I think cryptids and probably just not cryptids,
but I think unknown beings in general may actually have
the ability to be seen by their direction. In other words,
if you say, you got a crowd of people and

(36:21):
one person sees it and the other ones don't, and
I hear that a lot. We heard that a lot
with the wing humanoid settings, where this thing would show
up even look at people and look back at people like, yeah,
do you see me? But there'll be other people there
with them who have no idea that there's anything there.

(36:42):
So a lot of that's in an urban area as well,
So you know, I think there is something to that
that they do have the abilities to, I don't know,
shut off sentury somehow that you know, where humans and
particular cannot see them. As far as in the animal world,

(37:05):
I think in instincts kind of supersede that. But I
think with humans, I think I think they have the
ability to pick who actually sees in.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
One more question before we move on, because I know
we want to get to to sasquatch here and get
a little bit more into what's going on in the
sasquatch world right now. When we look at credibility of
any of these creatures that we talk about, what is
the one piece of evidence that really stands out for you?
Maybe it's a connection, maybe it's a pattern. You know,

(37:41):
tell me about what you feel.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I think consistency between witnesses, it's probably the big thing.
It kind of it kind of hammers home that what
you're you know you're investigating is most likely just not
an imagination. It's something that people are actually seeing. And

(38:05):
when you start getting the reports that are very similar
and it continues with people who do not know each other,
are in different areas, even different time areas, are airs.
That's probably the biggest indicator that there is something there,
there is something happening. So yeah, I think that's the

(38:30):
biggest part of it.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I want of us switch topics to go into the
Sasquatch topics. Since the last time you and I talked,
you know, the whole Sasquatch world has gone, you know,
caught on fire again because of a documentary called Capturing Bigfoot,
which is being shown at the south By Southwest Film

(38:55):
Festival right now in Texas. And one of the biggest
issues with this film is whether or not the Patterson
Gimlin film is real or a hoax. You've been doing
this a long timeline. Let's take take a look at
this from your perspective.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Okay, Well, I haven't seen I haven't seen the documentary yet.
And of course, every once in a while somebody will
come forward and say they have evidence as to to
disprove the Patterson Gimblin film. You know, I just thought
for the most part that's that was probably what's going on,

(39:35):
you know, kind of a notoriety thing. Now I'm not
saying that their evidence is made up. But at the
same time, you know, something did come forward recently after
this was was released about the twenty nineteen hypnosis, a
regression that Bob Gimblin had with the UH with a

(40:01):
trained professional, a train regressive hypnotist UH. And I suggest
if you have not seen that that video and it's
on it's on YouTube. I had seen it once before
years ago, but just briefly. But this the the one
that's out there now, is is pretty more pretty much?

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Pretty how would I want to say, is more involved?
You know, I've seen a lot of regressive regression therapy
sessions in my time, or a bunch of different phenomena,
you know, abductions and sightings and other strange things that
they wanted more information. But I think the gentleman who

(40:45):
actually did the I think his name was Mitchum, who
did the regression with Bob. I think he was He
did a very good job. And there's a lot of
people out there that try to do it that just
are not as good at it as he was. But
he really, he really took the time and in fact,
he got to know Bob a little bit before they

(41:07):
even did this and when when Gimmlon decided he would
go go and have it filmed during the session.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
After seeing that, it makes to me it makes it
much harder to even just discount what he had been
saying and what he's been saying all along, you know.
But those are people who don't know Bob Gibblin, and
I can't. I don't say that I really know him well.
But he's always seemed to be very forthcoming, you know,
a very truthful person, and he hasn't deviated at all

(41:46):
on what he has seen and what had he you know,
what his thoughts were during that uh encounter with him
and Roger Patterson.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I you know, it's just like everything else when somebody
comes forward with something like this, makes a big production
out of it and announces to the world that, you know,
an iconic siting was probably fake. Well you're going to
get reaction. So you know, that's my thoughts on do

(42:19):
I think I do? I think the PG film is real?
I do. I do believe it's an actual Bigfoot and
I have for a long time. But you know, it's
one of those things where it's it's not a clean
take you know, you can. I guess anybody can look
at it and form their own opinion, and if they
lean to one side or the other, they can kind

(42:41):
of reinforce that. But uh, you know, people want binary
answers if it's real or it's a hoax, and nothing
in between. So that's kind of where we leave ourselves now.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm sitting with it too.
Is I believe it's a real film, I really do.
We also know, and it's always been public knowledge and
in the Bigfoot world that Patterson, Roger Patterson was wanting
to make a Bigfoot documentary, which he filmed a lot
of it in Yakama, Washington, his home, and I want

(43:16):
to you know, I don't credit the BFRO very often.
Usually I'm one's harping on them. But Matt Moneymaker made
a great, great insight about this and and it really
stuck with me and resonated with my feelings on the film.
And he said, you know, this is nothing new. Just
because they were filming the documentary doesn't mean that what

(43:40):
they filmed in Bluff Creek was fake. And if you
look at the Harmonious suit, that Bill Harmonious or I
believe his name is Bill Harmonious. Was I'm sorryus heronymous? Yes,
was wearing It looks nothing like the Patterson Gimlin footage. No,

(44:04):
he doesn't walk the same, he doesn't move the same.
It's like it's like if you were to throw a
bear rug over your shoulders. That's what it looks like.
You know. All it's going to do is match your
body style. Patty had width to her. She was a
big girl in the shoulders. She had you know, the

(44:25):
hair going down her back, you know, the muscles movement
that you can see, the breasts in the front. There
was a lot about her that made her extremely unique
that the Hieronymous film or the Hieronymous photos show something
completely different.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, there's no comparison in my opinion. You know, it
meets a laired problem, you know. You know, we have
modern sighting clusters that show signs of a genuine witness
experience and and then social amplifications to it. I don't know,

(45:09):
I mean, who knows? I mean, I am and I
you know, it's hard to tell. I mean, I guess
the best thing at this point is to just let
it ride itself out and see what happens and as
people come forward and a lot of people involved in
the in the Bigfoot world or are kind of not

(45:29):
saying a whole lot. And I don't think it's because
that they believe that they were they were played. I
think it has a lot to do with.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
That.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
They're just gonna they just want to seem more proof
as to what is really there in the film itself. Now,
I've heard people say, who are you know who had
believed in the Patty film say that they did see
the presentation and it put questions in their mind. Well,
I understand that, but I think something to be verifiable,

(46:07):
it just needs time to to iron out and to
you know, got to show itself the best it can
because at this point right now, it's all hype and
I just don't I just don't believe we can get
a real understanding at this point. Now, I think there's

(46:28):
gonna be much more. There's got to be much more
presented as opposed to this justice film.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Well, I think the big thing with a lot of
the people who are who are waiting on this in
making comments, whether you know you look at some of
the big names, whether you know it's Lyle Blackburn or
Ken Gerhart, or many others that are out there is
they haven't seen the film and they are just waiting

(46:54):
to see what truly is going on before they make
any sort of comment about it whatsoever. So I can
see why people are not rushing the judgment because they
do want to see truly what's going on. That being said,
at some point, do we not have to shut down

(47:16):
this debate? You know, I mean this film. I think
we can officially say the Patterson Gimlin film has overtaken
the Zubruder film, as you know, the number one studied
video in the world. I mean, can we finally say that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
I think we can. Of course, the Bruder film was
we knew what happened there, We saw what happened there,
and there was not really much interpretation of what was shown.
Now with pat the PG film, yeah, I mean, it's
a lot of interpretation, but it's presented in a way

(47:58):
that it doesn't seem that there it was hoaxed on purpose,
in other words, that there was any indication that what
they what they showed or what you know, how they
obtained the film was something that was staged. Who knows,

(48:20):
I mean, I don't know what if they have something
else that's going to come out later. We'll just have
to wait and see.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
But at this.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Point now, even though I haven't seen the film, I'm
going to need more to be convinced.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I want to see it just out of my curiosity,
you know. I want to see it, just just to
see and look. There is no official release date of
this movie coming out to Amazon or Netflix or or
any of the streaming services just yet. You know, I

(48:58):
would assume that the director Mark does plan on doing
that because of the popularity of it, and people are
probably looking at this in other ways. I think one
of the things that disappoints me about this film on
is how everybody who has been skeptical about this subject

(49:21):
all of the sudden says, you know what, we told you.
This creature isn't real. We told you Bigfoot doesn't exist.
This is proof your your famous movie is garbage. It's
a hoax. You got played. There's no Bigfoot, there's no
anything big running around the forest. Get over it. It's over.

(49:45):
I mean there's a ton of comments like that right now.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, but there are some people who have claimed that
for a long time who are just not saying anything
right now. So I think there is some apprehensions in
that community as to what it really is. Look, we
got a piece of legacy, a legacy piece of evidence
like the PG film. Again that's under some type of

(50:13):
serious challenge. There's always going to be a common threat
of uncertainty involved with that, and we just had to
see where the serious investigation goes and if there is one,
and hopefully there'll be some independent evidence at some point

(50:36):
where you can either be verified or just you know,
just another gray zone between experience and proof.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
What proof do you think the skeptics need in order
to finally make them happy? Is it a body? Is
that it body? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, that'll be it, uh, you know, And that's what
I've been I've said that all along though I'm not
an advocate of of killing one of these creatures. But
if we so happen to find a body of a
natural death or something to that or you know, that'll

(51:21):
be that'll be the final That'll be the final piece.
Though of course you're going to have people who are
gonna come out and come up with some type of
excuse to that as well. But I think a body
or some real physical evidence, uh, other than scat or
prints and other things that are gonna kind of lean

(51:46):
lean most people to that conclusion that maybe these creatures
are really are real.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
A lot of people will say line, and people listening
into this show right now will say, I've been in
the forest for twin five years. I've been a hunter,
I've been a hiker, I've been a camper. Never seen anything,
never seen any footprints, never seen any signs. What's your
answer to them?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Wrong place, wrong time? You know, you just haven't been there.
You know, when I had my encounter in eighty one,
I didn't expect to see anything like that. You know,
why does it happen? You know, why do certain people
have the are fortunate enough to see something, let alone
too different types of phenomena that they had no idea existed.

(52:40):
You know, I know investigators who have been out in
the field for fifty years or so who just have
never seen even a UFO, let alone a cryptid. But
they still investigated. They believe that they're there, They've seen that,
they've had anecdotal evidence through witnesses and occasion. Only something

(53:00):
that may something physical that may steer their thoughts or
may inspire them to continue on. But yeah, you know,
I guess it's just a matter of chance.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
We got about a minute ago here before we have
to go to break in the top of the hour.
LN Strickler from fantomsomonsters dot Com is here with us.
It is a matter of chance to see a sighting,
have some sort of encounter. But it also points out LN,
that if you don't know what you're looking for, you're
not going to see it.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah. I guess that's true. Yeah, I guess that's true.
But I got to look back in my situation. You know,
I knew of Bigfoot, I knew people had reported seeing
these things. I knew about the PG film. When I
saw it, I really didn't know what I was looking at,

(53:59):
quite honestly. And though I knew there was this seven
and a half foot eight foot tall Harry being that
people described seeing occasionally and reporting, I don't know. You know,
you know, does the human mind has something to do

(54:20):
that you wouldn't think so because it wasn't really something
that was expected or something that you thought may exist.
But yeah, I again, I think it's just a matter
of Look.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
On that note, Lon, I'm going to get you to
hold on right there, because when we come back with
lawn Strickler for hour number two. He's collected a number
of stories from us or for us about sasquatch and
other creatures. We're going to get to those after we return.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Always good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Dave. All right, you run in some really cool stories
as you do each and every month. This one says, Hi, Lawn,
that's you. I was active in the Boys Scout for
a few years up until about age fifteen. Our troop
was fairly small and poorly organized, with a Scout master

(01:03:12):
who was an uninspired old man known to drink a lot.
He often drove us into remote locations in the Pacific Northwest,
in and around Mount Hood National Forest. We usually ended
up being the only troop at campsites that seemed long
neglected and poorly maintained. We never attended any of the
big scout jamborees. The one thing that seemed to matter

(01:03:35):
most to him was whether there was a single occupancy
shelter on site. It might be an old mini cabin
or some standing structure where he could hole up by
himself with his little propane heater, folding caught and a
bottle of Canadian Missed. We usually, by the way, nobody
in Canada drinks Canadian missed. Just for the record, all right.

(01:03:58):
We usually saw him twice a day at breakfast and dinner.
The rest of the time we were left to fend
for ourselves, and the dynamics in the troops sometimes devolved
into something close to Lord of the Flies. During my
time with that troop, my friend and I came across
very distinct, five toed, very human, very huge footprints on

(01:04:19):
two different occasions. One was set was located on the
far left side of the lake and accessible only by canoe.
At one point we even had to drag the canoe
over a beaver dam to reach it. There was a
muddy cove where a creek drained into the lake, and
we were checking out all of the fresh animal tracks
pressed into the mud. We were seeing bear, deer, cougar,

(01:04:43):
maybe Bobcat, the unusual or the usual kinds of tracks
you would expected that environment. Then we noticed the impossible ones.
These were bare humanoid footprints, and they were ridiculously large.
We got down and studied them closely. I will never
get how much detail there was in those prints. They

(01:05:03):
were pressed deep, and my friend pointed out that the
fine creases inside them looked like the lines you would
see on the palms or on the bottoms of your feet.
Both of us knew about bigfoot legends, but neither of
us took them seriously at the time. Still, after examining
those tracks, we both started to feel uneasy. We decided

(01:05:25):
pretty quickly to get back in the canoe and paddle
to camp. What struck me then and still strikes me now,
is that if somebody had gone through the trouble of
faking those prints, they chose a location almost guaranteed never
to be seen by anyone. You had to work just
to get there. That incident, along with another, much freakier one,

(01:05:46):
changed the way I looked at the possibility that these
things are real. The other experience did not involve a
sighting on my part, but it was one of those
situations where you had to be there. It may have
happened on that same trick, and if not, it was
around the same period. It was after dinner. The sun
was down, but the moon was bright enough for people

(01:06:07):
to move around without much trouble. Two other guys my
age went out for a night hike, really just a
goof a round. One of them, Bruce, was a friend
of mine. He was in my grade at school. Bruce
was a tall, husky kid with a mellow disposition, and
he got good grades. He was also deaf or significantly

(01:06:27):
hearing impaired. He wore one of those old hearing aids
connected to a control box about the size of a
pack of cigarettes. I never saw him use sign language,
but he communicated well enough through rough speech and gestures.
Bruce and the other guy headed out, apparently planning to
walk down to the lake and back. They did not
bring anything with them, not even a flashlight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
All right, this is refreshing for me, so please bear
with me because Microsoft is acting up a little bit.
All right, and let's see here. I do not think
that they were gone more than forty five minutes when
they both Kate bursting back into camp in a total
state of panic, right on the edge of hysteria. The
other boy, whose name I can't remember, was sobbing and

(01:07:15):
shaking and kept looking back toward the direction they had
come from. What really alarmed me was Bruce. He had
plenty of deep woods camping experience and was no woos.
He was in tears too. Both of them were trying
to talk over each other and made such a commotion
that it brought out our old scout master out of
his hideaway to see what was going on. Eventually we

(01:07:37):
got enough detail out of them to understand why they
were so terrified. According to both of them, they had
not yet reached the lake when Bruce first, since that
someone or something was pacing them, moving parallel to their path.
They said it was walking between trees. At first, the
other kid did not understand what Bruce was trying to communicate.

(01:08:00):
He noticed too, whatever was out there was laying down
footfalls heavy enough to re I can't say that word. Vibratesberate, reverberate,
thank you, I got stuck there, Holy wow, reverberate through
the ground. What terrified them was the way those steps

(01:08:24):
kept pace with their own movement, as though whatever it
was had decided to shadow them when they stopped. It
stopped at some point they reached an area where the
trees were spaced out farther apart. In the moonlight, both
of them saw the silhouette of a huge upright figure,
maybe twenty to thirty feet away, darting between the tree trunks.

(01:08:47):
Bruce described it as taller than an NBA player, but
much thicker like Andre the Giant. Their stories differed slightly
after that. Bruce insisted it did not actually chase them.
The other kids swore he could hear it crashing through
the foliage behind them almost the whole way back to camp.
Either way, both of them were utterly undone by what

(01:09:10):
they had just experienced. That reaction rippled through the entire campsite.
Our troop included a couple of older guys who were
foam blown bullies and liked to think of themselves as badasses.
They were exactly the type of people who would mock
anyone for being weak or scared. But even those two
were visibly rattled. They were nervously sweeping their flashlights around

(01:09:33):
the dark perimeter of the campsite. Of course, neither of
them volunteered to go out and investigate. Even our old
scout master looked shaken. This was not the usual kind
of kid drama he dealt with, and I think seeing
Bruce in that condition had an impact on him. He
seemed to be to believe those two scouts had seen
something out of the ordinary, something that genuinely scared the

(01:09:56):
hell out of them, and interrupted his quiet evening with
the bottle. Once things calmed down, he told us to
make sure the fire was out and get to bed.
At that old campground, the shelters were crude structures that
felt like a cross between tiny log cabins and yurts.
There were no bunks, just wooden plank floors. The roofs
were largely squares of old canvas stretched across the top.

(01:10:20):
They were drafty, cold, and uncomfortable. Sometime a couple of
hours before dawn, a few of us woke up to
a sound, and it really and really the sensation of
something moving around the campsite. At times it seemed to
come very close to the yurts. I do not remember
it feeling especially massive, but two dogs somewhere nearby were

(01:10:42):
absolutely losing it. They were howling and whimpering like they
thought they were about to die. Here my memory gets
a little fuzzy. Our troop did not travel with dogs.
My best recollection is that the campground had some kind
of seasonal caretaker living in a shack or old trailer
farther off, someone with a key to the gate, and

(01:11:04):
the dogs may have belonged to him. I do not
actually remember seeing the man himself. Sure, the noises we
heard that morning could have been from any number of
known animals, but the way those dogs sounded has stayed
with me. What has stayed with me the most, though,
is Bruce. I can see how scared he was as

(01:11:27):
he tried to describe what he had seen. He was
normally a mellow guy, and that night he looked like
somebody who had just been confronted with something deeply frightening
and completely outside his experience. He was in tears, absolutely
convinced of what he had seen. For whatever reason, Bruce
did not stay in the troop much longer after that,

(01:11:48):
maybe one more camp out at most. Over the following years,
I saw him a few times in the school hallways,
but I never had a chance to ask him to
elaborate of what happened that night. It's an incredible story.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Lode, Yeah, it's probably as good as it gets as
far as you having at least two witnesses and their
reaction as a result of the encounter. And now these
these these reports that I gave you are reports I've

(01:12:26):
received within the past month. So yeah, that was that.
That was a particularly well done report, and it just
goes to show how how in detail how people react
to these things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
I can say from personal experience. Now I didn't hear
it because I have a lot of tenetus in my ears.
And when we were in the forest with Merle Samantha
in twenty twenty four, when we had that footprint that

(01:13:04):
showed up at our tent ten feet from our tent
here we found the staff that happened to us where
when Merle heard it, best Mark heard it, Samantha heard it.
That when we were on the main trail, it was

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going with us and when we stopped, it stopped, and
that we would look try and get a flashlight or
something into the trees. And this is almost about an
hour hour and a half before dusk, so the sun
is just setting, you know, but it's bright enough where
you still or dark enough where you still need a

(01:13:46):
flashlight to kind of look in the trees, you know,
And I'll tell you that was creepy. My man, that
was creepy. Knowing that this thing, whatever it was, was
stalking us through the trees. It's not a fun feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Yeah, I mean, the way it was written up, it
really captured the emotion and the rawness of the encounter itself,
which is very rare because we don't get many like that.
But yeah, that's why I put it in here because
I thought it would kind of demonstrate how people really

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do react to these things. You know. It's interesting when
somebody will have an encounter and they call you right
after they get a hold of you somehow, and right
after they had had the encounter, and the way they
react and the way they act and the emotion, you know,

(01:14:50):
it's really it's impressive, to be quite honest. It's something
you just don't really expect to give them a witness
unless it's something they did. Are they believed they saw
and uh yeah, they just disreport captures it perfectly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
I believe this one, the emotion of it all. I
believe it. What those kids are lucky is that if
there was more than one there that it did not
it did not kind of wreck their their night, keep
them awake, you know. I mean that had the potential

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situation of being so much more dangerous than what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah, if this thing was much if this thing had
been territorial, it could have definitely been you know, of
course it's out in the wilderness and you're you're in
an area where there had been big foots of people
are pretty sure that they're either singular or our groups
around there. If this thing had been much more territorial,

(01:15:59):
much more aggressive, it could have been much worse than
what what happened. So yeah, yeah, it's a great example.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
It really is. It's a fantastic example of a of
a great encounter, it really is, and thankfully they got
out of it. But Mount Hood, Lee Strauss, I don't
know if you know Lee, he's on my team here.
Lee and Jackie Harmon had an incredible encounter on Mount

(01:16:32):
Hood two years ago where Jackie actually, I think I
told you the story, Jackie actually got groped by the
sasquatch in their floating tent at night. They were she
was awake. They could hear them moving all around. One

(01:16:54):
of the sasquatch. They had three tents. They had the
two on the ground, you know, and you put your
tent pegs out, and then they had the floating tent
that they were sleeping in, and they could hear the
moving all around, and Jackie said that one of them
tripped over one of the tethers to the tent and

(01:17:17):
you could hear it snap and pull out of the ground,
and then everything went quiet. And then all of a sudden,
she heard it start to move around their tent and
she felt a hand on her ankle, and then it
moved up to her calf and then her leg. Then
it grabbed her butt, moved up to her back, her shoulder.

(01:17:38):
But when it started kind of making its way towards
her head, that's where she kind of got freaked out
and said, hey, leave us alone. And all of a
sudden she heard everything go silent, and it kind of
ran off right, you know. But she said she was
paralyzed in fear. And Lee was, wow, Yeah, let's go

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to your next story here. I live in western Montana
on the Blackfeet Reservation. My father is a tribal member
and my mother is not, so I grew up between
both worlds. Because of that, I heard the stories from
both sides from Native families and white families. And I

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learned early that there are some things people here simply
do not talk about unless they trust you. My father
once told me, I know many people would dismiss immediately.
He said that before he was born he was conscious.
He remembered being in a kind of a waiting room
before birth, surrounded by countless babies. Some looked healthy, some

(01:18:48):
looked sickly, some were deformed, and some appeared to be
in the form of other races. One of them, he said,
was covered in hair. He'd never spoke openly about this strangers,
but he told me, and I've never forgotten it. I
mentioned that because when I was young, long before I
knew anything about bigfoot or sasquatch traditions, I had disturbed

(01:19:10):
dreams about what my family called the hairy Man. Later,
when my father told me his own experiences of what
had happened around his area, those dreams took on a
different meaning. I came to believe that whatever the hairy
Man is, it is deeply connected to this land and
to the people who have lived here for generations. In

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my family. The presence of that being seems to run
through memory itself, as if it belongs not only to
the reservation, but to our bloodline and inherited experience. The
first time the hairy man appeared in my father's life,
he was still a small boy. He was in the
living room with his brothers when one of them came
running inside in total panic, crying and screaming for my

(01:19:55):
grandmother to come outside and make it go away. My
uncle had seen a sasquatch the garden behind the house,
near a small creek. It had been stealing vegetables. Once
it was spotted, it ran off. No one made much
of it afterward. Back then, nobody turned it into a
public story. It was treated as something known, something real,

(01:20:16):
and something best left alone. As my father grew older
and reached his early twenties, most stories began to circulate
around the reservation. People talked about a wild man breaking
into houses, frightening children at night. He was always described
as a huge, foul, smelling, and bold. One family in

(01:20:38):
particular seemed to be singled out. They would come home
and find the door open, food missing, and their animals
hiding beneath the table and fear. It happened so often
that my father said they almost treated it the way
some families treat an unwanted ghosts. It was terrifying, but
it became familiar. Soon more people began locking their doors

(01:20:59):
at night. Dogs that were usually aggressive or alert started
acting strangely cowardly. Then the incidents escalated. The wild man
was no longer only coming around after dark. It began
entering homes during the day. Children saw it. Tribal police
were called, Meetings were held. People were frightened because this

(01:21:20):
was no longer just a rumor or one family's private burden.
Something unknown was moving through the community and growing bolder.
Then came the event people never forgot. One night, the
father of that family was standing on the porch with
his wife and children when something suddenly grabbed his feet
and yanked him off the porch. The entire family saw

(01:21:42):
it happen. They screamed and huddled together, while just outside
they could hear a violent struggle. There was fighting, screaming,
and the unmistakable sounds of a man being overpowered. Then
he was taken away into the darkness. He did not
come back that night, his blood on the grass. The
next morning, his family gathered neighbors and other men from

(01:22:04):
the community, and they organized a search. The men followed
the signs left behind drops, a blood broken ground, and
the passage of something very large. The trail led them
along the creek, the same creek where my uncle had
seen the Sasquatch as a child. They followed it through
the night. When the search party returned the next day,

(01:22:24):
not one of them would talk about what they had seen,
but they had found the man. He was alive when
they brought him back, but barely. His body was covered
in injuries. He was black and blue from head to toe.
His arms and legs were broken. He was in deep
shock and could not speak. One of my uncles later
went to the hospital to see him and offer support

(01:22:45):
to the family. He saw the man lying there, eyes bulging,
body trembling, unable to form words. He had been beaten
so severely that it looked as if he had been
destroyed piece by piece. He died that same night. No
official answer was ever given for what had taken him
or what had happened out there, But within the small

(01:23:07):
circle of men who went on that recovery mission, there
was another story. The story passed quietly only to a
trusted few, including my father. I was told that the
men had found what had taken him. They found the
hairy man, they killed it with high powered rifles and
buried the body. Even so, they never spoke publicly. The

(01:23:28):
silence remained, so did the guilt. The older generation always
warned us to avoid sasquatch and leave them alone. We
were told they were not animals, and they were not
something magical in a childish sense. They were human beings
of another kind. But they were also told something else
human or not, they could be monstrous. This story is

(01:23:50):
why I've never gotten that war or never forgotten that warning.
That is powerful. I believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
It's a good First Nations report. I heard similar as well,
and many times, very few times does that information even
come out that occasionally someone will, you know, get the
nerve to write somebody or write me, or write somebody
else and put it out there. So yeah, again, that's

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another good example of what can happen and what some
of these people experience.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
That happened. There's a famous case here in British Columbia
near Hope, British Columbia, in the reserve called Ruby Creek,
and they had a sasquatch terrorizing their village as well.
I don't know if this is from the same community
or not. No, this one's in the US, but it's
very similar. And hold on right there, continue with more
stories of Bigfoot right after this.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
You're listening to space, don't you with your hopes? Dave Scott.
All right, buddy, we're clear.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
M h m m hmm, all right, alright, not like us.

(01:25:51):
All right, there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
I think it really it really depends on the Sasquatch
clan that is around.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Yeah. I I've always contended that these beings, particularly in
that part of the world, UH Pacific Northwest in that area,
are up in the UH in the mountains and such.

(01:26:32):
Their they're natural beings. They come in family groups, and
they're probably much more territorial as opposed to something that
may possibly be alter terrestrial or something. But you know,
it's just like I think they're they're almost like with humans.
I mean, you've got their different races, you've got different customs,

(01:26:54):
you've got different thoughts. They have their own society. They
had the only way of taking care air at things.
And I think it's exactly the same way with sasquad
or Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
So I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
You know, and these stories that come out of these
reservations in particular are kind of troublesome sometimes, but they do.
They do experience, they do experience some incidents that are
a little bit above or different than the norm that

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we hear.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
I would agree with you, I would agree with you.
It's it's freaky. It's absolutely freaky.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Let me see. We got about two and a half
minutes here or Eagle, how you doing, and anybody else
jump in, Yeah, we're good, We're good. That's why I

(01:28:07):
I you know, like in our area one, I really
try and heed the warnings that you know, when you're
in the middle of the forest and you're in their area,
we know where their area is. I really heed the
warning that it's time for you to go back to
base camp. Oh yeah, you know that they want to move.

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Zachariah Dennis, how you doing. Welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
I think they will in some respect give an indication
and when it's time to they'll tolerate you in their
time that they're not going to And you know, when
I have done sessions in areas, even when I did
up in Flight twenty one, some of the things I've
felt examining those that area, you do get that indication

(01:28:56):
that something is you know, there's something under and you
you faelt it too. I mean, you've been times you've
got to you going up there and it just felt different.
I mean, you know, you knew when to how long
to be there and not, you know, not to do
certain things. And I think that's a human instinct that

(01:29:18):
it is still around, that people do pick up on
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
And you know, there were times, there were a couple
times last year where Tim or I really didn't feel
that it would be safe to go out there. Yeah,
and we didn't. You know, it was just it was
incredibly freaky, you know, to think that, to think that

(01:29:43):
we you know, here, we are trying to trying to
you know, do our studies and we want to be
out there, but we just couldn't because there was just
this this nauseating intent out there that was just like
you're not invited today, like don't come.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
So yeah, I mean I think the I think in
that respect, they're a lot like us. I mean, you know, yeah,
a lot of times people just don't want to be
messed with and want to be left on their own and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Hold right there, Lon, We're gonna come back. Number twenty
three Lars Johnson. Welcome, here we go. We are into

(01:30:43):
the final half hour of this hour. We're right in
the middle of the show. My name is Dave Scott.
We're in some tinfoil tonight as we talk Big Point
with Lawn Strickler from Fantoms of Monsters dot com. You
can also go there to get his latest book on
the Glimmer Man. Oh yes, a good one to add
to your library. And thank you Lon for being here

(01:31:05):
once again. We always appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Your emotions of being on this show are always second
to none, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Second, you probably get the most excited from me than
most people do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
I do get excited for you because every time you
come on this show, which is once a month near
the end of each month, you bring such amazing stories
and you know and knowledge, And to be honest with you,
I don't care what anybody else says. I think my
audience would agree with me. If you're into this field,
you're a legend. You, sir, are a legend in this field.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Wow. It's just nice to be appreciated.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Okay, your there we go. Oh we got him smiling.
We got him smiling. Lon. I want to say thank
you for these great stories. We're going to read another
one here right now. It says. Let me preface this
by saying that I did not remember this incident until
I was in my early thirties. It came back over
about a week, first in flashes, then in longer pieces.

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I believe it was triggered after my older brother moved
in with us one of the fragments began servicing. I
finally asked him about it. What he told me made
it clear that something had truly happened, and that I
had not imagined it. I grew up on a ranch
near Wind River Mountains in Wyoming. We heeded the house

(01:32:35):
with wood, so every year, after the crops were in
and before irrigation began again, we spent about two weeks
in the mountains cutting and hauling wood. We always went
to the same place along the Big Sandy River, a
remote spot we called bear Trap. It was hard to
reach and the drive in was long and rough. The
only people I ever saw there outside of my own

(01:32:58):
family were sheephoarders, and they were on horseback. I had
always loved the outdoors. We spent most weekends either in
the desert or in the mountains. I love both, but
I have never been at the ease or pardon me,
I've never been at ease in the mountains. In the desert,
I might sleep lightly, but I sleep in the mountains.

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I've always felt on edge. For as long as I
can remember, I have hated being alone along a creek
or stream, especially if no one else was nearby. At
the time, I did not know why. Later I think
I understood. I was about five years old when this happened.
My brother was twelve. We had been camping there for
about a week. At some point, my mother and father

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drove down the mountain and left the two of us
in the camp. That sounds unbelievable now, but it happened.
I remember standing beside my brother watching our parents drive away.
He had a twenty two rifle propped up on his shoulder.
After they left, I wandered off to my favorite place
by the creek, the sight of camp, maybe two hundred
yards away. What I remember next is broken but vivid.

(01:34:06):
I remember being carried under the arm of something covered
in long, thin fur, almost the way a football is
tucked under someone's arm. There were at least three others
moving alongside us. At times they were upright. At times
they were down on all fours. They were making loud,
frantic noises, screaming and chattering at the one carrying me.

(01:34:29):
My impression was that they were protesting, as if they
were telling it that taking me was wrong and that
I should be put back. There was panic in their
voices and movements. I do not remember smelling anything unusual.
The strangest part is that the memory feels detached, almost
as if I were watching it happen to someone else.

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I know I must have felt terrified, but I do
not remember terror in the usual sense. I mostly remember
the chaos of the noise and the motion, and the
sense being carried farther and farther away. Eventually we reached
what looked like an overhang or a shallow cave. The
ground in front of it had been swept clean. The

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ones running beside us had reddish brown fur, long arms,
and a youthful look, almost like adolescents. They kept squawking
and objecting until a much larger being appeared. The moment
she came into view, the others felt silent and withdrew
out of sight. I had an immediate impression that she

(01:35:32):
was the matriarch. She made a low grunt towards the
one carrying me, and I was placed gently on the ground.
That one then moved away. I never felt that large
female meant to hurt me. If anything, she seemed sad.
Looking back, I have sometimes wondered if perhaps she had
lost a child of her own, and that grief had

(01:35:52):
something to do with why I was taken. Her fur
was darker, almost black, and looked thinner and wirier than
the others. I cannot clearly remember whether she made any
more sounds after that, but I distinctly felt she was
communicating to me that it was safe. I was safe
and did not need to be afraid. She took me

(01:36:15):
by the hand and led me to a bed made
of pine needles, grasses, and strips of soft bark, arranged
something just inside the edge of the shelter. She indicated
that I should sit there, and everything about her manner
was gentle. She then disappeared for a short time and
returned with a watering containing water containing bits of plants.

(01:36:37):
She had me drink it, then laid me down on
the mat. The next thing I remember is waking up.
The first sensation was smell damp earth, moss, and wet soil.
Then I felt grass brushing against my face. I was confused.
I did not understand why I had apparently fallen asleep there.
I was only about twenty feet from the spot where

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I had originally been playing. I walked back into camp
and my brother grabbed me hard and hugged me. Then
he started yelling at me for hiding on him. Looking
back now, I understand that he was frantic. When I
finally told him my side of eight years later, he
said he had been searching for me for hours. He
said he had checked the exact area where I'd been

(01:37:20):
playing several times and I was not there. He also
told me about something else that stayed with me. According
to him, our grandfather and our father both knew that
a family of these beings lived in that area and
had never caused any real trouble. He said that he
and our father used to leave salt and sugar on
a log for them every year, and that the offerings

(01:37:42):
were always taken. By the time these memories returned to me,
both my father and grandfather had already died, so I
never had the chance to ask them about any of
it myself. I do remember once overhearing my grandfather talking
to my father about hearing something moving up the creek
while he was fishing, something heavy, something that was not

(01:38:03):
a bear. The moment they realized I was listening, they
stopped talking.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
That is an absolutely wow type storyline.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of that's on the other side,
the flip side of the coin compared to the other ones.
Occasionally we will get something like that where you gotta
you know, I got a group of these beings that,
you know, they kind of act like humans basically. I mean,

(01:38:38):
you know, they're scolded, they're they're in trouble with somebody
else or doing something they shouldn't have done. Uh, and
some one of them takes it upon themselves to uh
to look after the human that has been brought in.
So yeah, I mean, again, it's a situation where it

(01:38:59):
could have turned bad. But you know, fortunately he these
you know, since his father and grandfather had left gifts
for them and such, they probably felt that it was
just best to handle the situation the best they could
and not start any trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Sasquatch has been known to take people. Mm hmm, Okay,
it's not the prettiest, it's not the best scenario, but
at times like giving an example in First Nations culture
here in BC, excuse me, that caught up with me

(01:39:39):
in British Columbia. Here, many First Nations actually believe that,
and they tell their women, especially not to go out
in the evenings or at night on a dark road,
or don't walk anywhere, don't go for a walk in
the forest because the likelihood of you being taken as

(01:39:59):
a sasquatch life is very high. And it absolutely amazes
me that, you know, people still do that. I would
not take that chance, you know, but if if you
but this story, it actually reminded me of that young

(01:40:20):
boy a few years ago in North where where was
it in North carol Carolina? Where the teddy bear kept
him warm at night?

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Yeah, yeah, you hear, you do hear some examples of this.
And I have no doubt that North Carolina story was
a sasquatch, you know, even when it first came out,
I was pretty sure that's what it was. It has

(01:40:49):
been about what five or six years ago. But yeah,
but I have heard others. I have heard other reports
very similar to that. So do they still have a
lot of disappearances up there on the highway tiers.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Not as many as there used to be, but it's
still happening, yeah, you know. I mean, I haven't heard
of anybody disappearing from the Highway of Tears in probably
a couple of years, but I mean up north is
where it's mainly happening. So that would be approximately about

(01:41:29):
six to nine hours minimum driving for me. Like the
start of the Highway of Tears is actually on the
highway right out of my town here, but it's very
quiet up here. It's not until you get up into
that northern area of British Columbia that is extremely desolate
and remote where you get all of those missing people.

(01:41:54):
I actually once talked to a lady whose cousin was
one of the first Nations victims up there. She's never
been found, and she told me point blank, she doesn't
They don't know if she's alive or not. They believe
she's deceased, but they felt that. And I want to

(01:42:18):
be careful in saying this because I don't want to
downplay the situation of serial killers driving around up there.
And I do believe there is more than one, Okay,
I really do, But she believed that at least twenty
percent of those First Nations women that were taken and

(01:42:41):
disappeared were taken by Sasquatch. Yeah, as Sasquatch wives. And
she says, if you look at the people who went missing,
there are three things that you have to be careful of.
Number One, Sasquatch has an affinity for pregnant women h

(01:43:02):
women who are on their menstrual cycle, or are within
a year of giving birth after being pregnant giving birth
up to that one year.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Yeah, I have heard the same thing. Yeah, Yeah, I
think you're right about that. I think they're right about that.
You know, I've heard I've heard similar reports further north
up there, going toward Yukon, and you know, people talking
about that. It's not really talked a lot, but you know,
of course you hear a lot of different stories since

(01:43:36):
you're living up there. But I think you're right about that.
I think they're you say, an affinity towards certain women
in certain situations, and I think that is absolutely true
because I've heard accounts, you know, other places where that
could have actually been the same circumstances as well. So yeah,

(01:43:58):
I think that does happen.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
I would agree with you, And you know, and once again,
it's not to downplay the sickening human beings that are
taking these women and getting rid of them. But I mean, apparently,
according to this lady, they tried to talk to the
RCMP about it, but the Mounties wouldn't have and for

(01:44:22):
probably proper reasons, they would not hear that side. They
didn't want to hear it. And you know, a friend
of mine, when he was an RCMP officer before he retired,
he worked that case for ten years, I think, and
he's like, David, it's so weird, you know. I mean, yeah,

(01:44:44):
you expect things to happen, but the way some of
these ladies just vanished, like it was like they were
taken right off the face of the earth.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Yeah, yeah, I do believe that. I do believe that
does happen. And I thought about it. I thought that
for a long time. All Right, you live in quite
an interesting area.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
Let's get to a couple of questions here from our audience.
Let's go to Grant here. The glimmer man has been
less than a foot from me on multiple occasions, almost
like they were curious of me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
Why do you think this is exactly what you said?
They were just curious. I mean, you know, we talk
about them being watchers and studying us. Why they do that,
I don't know, but it does seem that they do
have an agenda to know more about us. Do they
see us as predators? Do they see us as enemies?

(01:45:45):
I don't know, but it does seem that they're very
curious about us and want to know, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
What we do. Very true, very true, you know, and
I know gant A very very well, and I think
he is very very truthful with his statements on that
and his experiences. Jose is asking, maybe the Glamorman is

(01:46:12):
an alien species that uses technology to cloak itself, and
since we haven't really seen it decloaked, we're not sure
if it's actually a physical appearance. What's your thoughts on
this one?

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
True? I mean, I you know, I'm I think a
lot of these type of entities or beings that we
come across, or that people see or experience, I think
they're The argument for altraterrestrial beings is becoming stronger and
stronger as time goes on. Sure they could be extraterrestrial,
I don't know. I mean, you know, there's a fine

(01:46:45):
line between being extraterrestrial and autraterrestrial. Altraterrestrials seem to be
in our earth plane or where we're at, more so
than an extraterrestrial would be. And it seems that they
do come and stay a finite period of time and
then take back off and go wherever they came from.

(01:47:07):
I think that may very well be true. I think
that's what's going on with this being. That's my personal opinion,
but I, you know, and I really don't have much
proof other than that, but I think it kind of
parallels a lot of the other cryptid beings that people experience.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
All right, let's go to one more here, as we've
got about six and a half minutes left with Lon
Strickler tonight from phantomso Monsters dot Com, Let's go to
paramuph June twenty, two thousand and one, Art Bell had
a guest named Bugs that claimed he and a couple
of his friends were hunting overnight and they ended two

(01:47:47):
bigfoot they were thought they thought were aggressive. Have you
ever heard of this story? And what's your thoughts if
you have?

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
Yeah, I kind of remember that. I don't know what
you think. You know, a lot of different types of
people ended up on our Bell show, and you know,
there's a lot of questions on a lot of the
accounts that he had talked about, had talked to people
about over the years. But I don't know. I guess

(01:48:17):
it could be true. Yeah, I mean, you know, you
hear a lot of stories, but I think that the
situation was to where they people thought they were aggressive
and dangerous. They made very well taken them out. So
and like I said, I've never I've heard that before

(01:48:39):
or something similar to that before. But yeah, I do remember,
I do remember that. I don't even know. I may
have actually listened to it at the time, or I
listened to one of the archives, but I kind of
remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
I believe that they if memory serves me right, on
that episode because I remember that episode too that they
couldn't produce where they buried the bodies, and that's where
people started calling it a hoax. I actually had Here's
a weird one for you. So I had a First

(01:49:13):
Nations gentleman in my daytime office come up to me
last week and his name is Otto, and Auto is
just a wonderful, wonderful man, and he starts telling me
about his encounter with a Sasquatch. It was extremely aggressive.

(01:49:36):
It chased him back to his vehicle. He got into
his vehicle, closed the door. The thing ripped the door
off his vehicle before he shot him. And he said
they followed the blood trail. He followed the blood trail
for about three quarters of a mile before coming across
the body. Now, he says, but he can't remember that.

(01:50:00):
Somebody took the body, took the head off, boiled the
head down so they could have the skull. This is
north of me, about an hour an hour and a half.
Wants to take me to the place where it happened.
I'm all for that this summer, right, But here's the

(01:50:23):
weird thing about the sasquatch. And I'm not sure if
we were dealing with a sasquatch here. Even though he
claimed it, it didn't have feet, it had hooves. MM.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Have you heard of this? I heard of something similar.
I heard of something similar and that didn't involve you know,
it being killed. But I have heard of something similar
to where people had a witness had stated that they

(01:51:00):
have cloat and foot and something that looked like a sasquatch.
I mean, maybe it wasn't it. Maybe it was a
goat man or something like that. I don't know, but
I have heard that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Yeah, he said that. He uh, it really blew him away,
that he was that he was, you know, able to
see these hoofs. The hoofs scared him more than the
footprints did. But he said the way this one was
extremely aggressive towards him. And I asked some point blank,

(01:51:35):
I said, was it a dog man? Okay, because in
that area, you know, just just south of that area,
there have been alleged were wolf sightings. So I asked him,
was it a dog man? Said nope, had the head
of a sasquatch, body of a sasquatch, hands like a sasquatch,

(01:51:58):
except the feet where were hoops? And I had not
heard of that war. Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Yeah. If you ever come up with anything else from
him about that, let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I will. That's interesting, I will. I have to get
into the habit for our audience of recording these. Yeah,
you know, with AI today, you could recreate it, right,
you know, you could recreate it. And I don't know.

(01:52:39):
It's just it's an incredible story, incredible story, and I
hope to to be able to go out there with
him one day this year to see that location.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
Does someone have this skull yet?

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
He can't remember the guy's name, doesn't know if the
guy's alive, doesn't know where he is. I'll try and
find out. Okay, that's interesting. The one thing about Otto
that I will say, he's a very extremely humble man,
very quiet man, but he is he has troubles remembering

(01:53:21):
people's names.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
But on the flip side, every time he sees me,
he asked me if I've had any more encounters?

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
Does he?

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Yeah. It's funny because at my daytime office, I've had
to run lately in the last five six business days
of First Nations people coming in and then ask me,
have you had any more encounters lately? Right? Yeah, yeah, Lon,

(01:53:58):
we got about thirty seconds left. Where can people find
your brand new book about Glimmerman.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
Yeah, just go to Fansomonsters dot com. I've got it
listed there. You just click the button. You'll take your
right to Amazon, or you go directly to Amazon or
order it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
And of course you can find everything from Lawn at
Fantomsandmonsters dot com. Lawn Strickler, it is always great to
have you on spaced Out Radio. You're the best, my
friend and you are a legend if you say so,
all right, and I will say so. We have Swamp
Dweller and we have Grant Baker with the UFO Report

(01:54:35):
coming up in our three. You're listening to spaced Out
Radio with your host Dave Scott. Great job, my friend, Thank.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
You, no problem, all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Right, you enjoy your night. I will. I'm going to
try and find out more from Auto for you. Okay, yeah,
I'd like to hear a little bit more about that.
I will. I'll see if I can get a recording
with him. Okay, all right, buddy, take care, take care, Bye,
bye bye, lawn Strickler, everybody. One of the greats, one
of the greats. So we'll be right.

Speaker 7 (01:55:22):
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Speaker 8 (02:02:40):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of them no sharing tales of monsters, legends and nightmares.

Speaker 4 (02:02:53):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 8 (02:02:56):
When I was ten, my parents had bought me a
Ferby for my birthday. It only set the same three
phases over and over again. One I'm hungry, Two I'm tired.
Three I love you. After a couple of months of
the Ferbie not being played with, it kept opening its

(02:03:18):
eyes and moving places while I slept. One day, the
batteries finally died and all it did was make a
burr sound. After taking out the batteries, it continued to
make noises, so I ran a bath and tossed the
Ferbi in it to try to shut it up. Then

(02:03:38):
I ran over to our microwave and threw the Ferbian
there to be cooked.

Speaker 4 (02:03:43):
As it was being melted.

Speaker 8 (02:03:44):
Its eyes and mouth flew open as if it was
in shock at what I had just did. So this
next encounter is a little bit later in life. I
was at my ex's house a few years ago, her
sister and her we're talking over a few cigarettes when
I walk out her nephew's Ferby he had on the table,

(02:04:06):
opened its eyes and started talking about a dark island
and the ferbies lived there in fear of what hid
in the dark, trying to eat them. Freaked out, we
looked at each other to see if I had any batteries.
Upon opening it up, we noticed no batteries or even
in it. As it continued to say it was an
emotional pain and wanted to rescue its friends, and I

(02:04:28):
grabbed the Ferbie and smashed it on the ground. I
went into her shed and grabbed a shovel to smash
the Ferbie so more and bury it in the backyard.
After that, I have never owned another Ferbi again. I
don't know what was making it malfunction, or if it
was possessed or what, but honestly, it's one of the
creepiest things that I've ever experienced.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
Thank you Swampy for another creepy story. If you want
more just like that, head on over to YouTube. Type
in swamp dweather, hit subscribe, ring that bell. Some stories
for you to listen to each and every day and night.
You'll never get bored, I promise you. From the Swamp
to the Stars, we got to get to the UFO report.
We got Grant Baker on deck.

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
Staring at the stars to night stay no shining him
sky L's the.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
Stores breaking through. It comes into view from this.

Speaker 5 (02:05:29):
Secret mouse raiss.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
Little slip so to house is the fast jing all
back weird, gotch'll backs becomes a soul. All right, let's

(02:06:00):
bring in the trusted one. The voice of the UFO
is Grant Baker.

Speaker 4 (02:06:04):
How you doing, buddy, Doing well, my friend? Good good
seeing you tonight and pleased to be here, bag far.
We got a lot to talk about.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
It is always a pleasure to have you here. And
there is a lot to talk about because this story
that is going on about these missing and to see
scientists is just getting crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:06:24):
My man, Oh it's not just crazy. It is absolutely
philosophical crazy. We're getting to the nitty gritty here and
the list keeps growing. I'm finding out I just got
sent another link to another source that has quite a
few other names on there, and I'm currently learning some

(02:06:47):
more about it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
One thing that I have noticed about this entire instance,
you know, would we have ever known about it if
general retired from the United States Air Force, Neil McCaslin
had just vanished, would we even know that this was
going on? But because McCaslin, who was you know, his

(02:07:12):
name first came into the public through WikiLeaks and his
conversations with former government official John Podesta and Tom DeLong
from Blank twenty eighty two talking about UFOs. That's how
we got mccaslyn's name involved with all of this back

(02:07:33):
in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, when those WikiLeaks emails were
brought out. I mean I kind of look at it,
my friend, like like, I'm uncomfortable with this story. I'm
very uncomfortable with this story. To me, this I love euphology, Okay,
I love eupology, where we're looking at people, we're talking

(02:07:57):
about their stories, their encounters. Maybe they get a picture,
maybe they get a video. But this freaks me out
that if this is true, that these people are deceased
or have gone missing because of their involvement with the

(02:08:18):
UFOs that just takes this to an entirely different level.

Speaker 4 (02:08:23):
Grant Oh, one hundred percent agreed. I mean, just looking
at Monica Resa, she actually had a different name that
she went by as well, a professional name. And once
I started digging into her and finding what she was
actually developing it or had developed you know quite a
while back, about these new meta materials, one of them

(02:08:46):
called mondoloid, and then you start, really the rabbit hole
is very deep on this one. All these people are
tied into you know, an Air Force base here, or
a UCO project here, or some type of somebody that's
in aeronautics and space, and it just gets crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:08):
Well, let's give a little bit of a history here,
because how this story took off was back on February
twenty seventh, former United States Air Force General Neil McCaslin
was at home. His wife had gone for a doctor's appointment.
A repair man had come over to fix something in
their home and then left. His wife was only gone

(02:09:32):
for an hour, but he was gone. His wallet was
still there, his eyeglasses were still there, other items were
still there. I believe his watch was still there. But
he did take a couple of items, including his hand,
his revolver, and police feel that, at least publicly, the

(02:09:58):
only real clue that we had is a mile or
two down the road there was a hoodie from the
United States Air Force that happened to be thrown on
the ground. Now, was that mccaslem's or not. They've never
admitted whether or not that is mccaslin's. It was like
he vanished into thin air. And the one thing for

(02:10:21):
people who might be brand new to this story, McCaslin
had a multi billion dollar brain. I think that's a
fair comment to make. He knew about secret technologies the
US was developing, he knew about weaponry weapons systems, he

(02:10:43):
knew about UFOs. He knew a lot about a lot
that we don't see in our everyday lives. And then
you find out that Monica Rasa, his assistant, went missing
seven months earlier while out on a hike in California,

(02:11:03):
which is a fair distance from New Mexico, but still
very close. And the weird part about that was she
was allegedly named as being deceased and had a funeral.
Her family allegedly had a funeral while search and rescue
were still looking for her body or her being alive

(02:11:28):
but injured. You want to mention to say something on
that grant there is.

Speaker 4 (02:11:33):
So when she disappeared, she was with two experienced buddies
and according to them, she was thirty feet behind them,
waved and then poof, never seen again. That quick.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
That part I didn't know. That part, I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (02:11:53):
There is no trace, no body despite all the searches.
And she was an avatiker, So I mean, you would
think that thirty feet away. And I'm telling you right now,
I've been I don't know what's listening in my home,
but I turned on my YouTube today and there's these
guys that are doing dirt by account in the dunes

(02:12:14):
and one of them just was right with them and
all of a sudden became missing. Found him, and then
like two other people went missing randomly and they were
all together in the pack and they're out on dunes.

Speaker 1 (02:12:26):
So here's a list of some of the names that
have disappeared or have been found deceased outside of Raza
and McCaslin. MIT fusion physicist Duno Lorerio was shot and

(02:12:47):
killed in December twenty twenty five at his home. Cal
Tech astrophysicist Karl Grillmeyer was fatally shot February sixteenth of
this year at his home no Vard scientist Jason Thomas.
His body was found in March this year after disappearing
in December. Now I believe they have now added another

(02:13:12):
name to that list. I haven't found the name of
the person, but it is a lady who was a scientist.
You got her name, Grant.

Speaker 4 (02:13:21):
There was two of them actually, and the same guy
went from one place to another to get a bullet,
and they apprehended him as well. Two women, two locations,
one night, and then he unlived himself in front of
a camera. It's not fully verified yet. The gentleman's name
is Jacob. Not only did he take out his own wife, Jamie,

(02:13:45):
at their home in Hubert Heights, Ohio, he put her
in the trunk, drove over to Sugar Creek Township were
first Lieutenant Jamie Gustitis Gusti t Us twenty five years old,
unlived her, drove to the West Milton Municipal Building parking
lot where the safety exchanges there opened the trunk so

(02:14:08):
responding offers who would find them, and then unlived himself
on camera and they were both tied. They were both
confirmed employees of Bright Patterson Air Force Basic.

Speaker 1 (02:14:20):
Waere McCaslin and Raisa did a lot of their work.
Now here's the other thing too. The majority of these
scientists that have gone missing or unlive themselves or been
found deceased, they all had something in common, and that

(02:14:45):
was they all testified in front of Congress, the majority
of them. Privately. You didn't see it, not in the
congressional hearings that are on camera, but they all testified
to Congress about UFOs and and I believe it was
Tim Bershett who brought that up that it was. Yeah,

(02:15:08):
it was Timbershett on the Benny Johnson podcast where Burshett said,
something dark is going on. I know these scientists and researchers,
they have testified. We've got to get to the bottom
of it. It's just too much. Too much is going
on right now. And by the way, I'm not suicidal.

(02:15:32):
And that comes off of about a week or two later,
after Representative Eric Burlison finished a statement saying that he
was not suicidal and that he had been having his
life threatened about going down certain paths. I mean, this
is real time here, my friend, real time.

Speaker 4 (02:15:57):
You got to put that stuff out in the public
and one people and they're going down these paths, especially
with as many you know, all these people. I just
that one guy, uh Gil Grillmar, I went and dug
down and his you know, his path real quick, and
it's it's insane. If I was them, I would be
saying that on TV or any kind of national news

(02:16:19):
or outlet, social media reever. Just let people know, like, look,
if I just fear, it's not because I did it
on my own. Something happened to and it's it's insurance basically,
well you're not completely you know, going to be insured
against something like that. But I mean, this is dark stuff,
and especially the timing of it, the timing of it

(02:16:42):
is just critical, you know. And now it's all coming
to light when everything's in the news again, you know,
with Obama and Trump and then you know, the General
and then we find out about Monica and then this,
you know, just as young people. Young people are that,
but have these type you know, the astronomer that's Carl Grillmar.

(02:17:04):
He spent thirty years at Caltech and red processing and analyzing.
Like the dude knew his stuff. If you went down
that rabbit hole, it's fun to read what he did.
I mean, he published one hundred and forty seven peer
reviewed papers, and it's just it's crazy how these people
are getting unlived. It is absolutely wild. It is literally

(02:17:24):
like someone is just going down a list. Okay, this
guy said this, This guy said that they have tize here.
We're just gonna mop up the whole crew. That's what
it sounds like, complete, you know, psyops. Almost Well.

Speaker 1 (02:17:42):
One of the things that I have noticed with this
story as well is just the timeline. The timeline is
so tight, like this has been since June of last year.
All these people have vanished or have been found no

(02:18:02):
longer with us that I don't understand, Like this is
way above my pay scale and understanding this, and and
it's got so much attention now with the mainstream media.
You know, this is a story grant where five years ago,

(02:18:24):
six years ago, ten years ago, this wouldn't even be
a media story because UFOs were involved. Yes, okay, and
now people are paying attention. That's way too much. I mean, yes,
people die every day. What is it, something like eighty

(02:18:45):
nine hundred Americans die a day. That's a lot of people.
Yeh Okay, people die you're gonna You're gonna die, I'm
gonna die. We're all gonna die one day. It sucks
to say because it scares the hell out of me
saying that. Okay, but it's going to happen. And the

(02:19:08):
idea that I'm thinking about this is okay, when you
get so much coincidence, eventually coincidence leads to a different path.
We're talking about one of the greatest new conspiracies of
all time right now playing out in real time, and

(02:19:30):
they all have UFOs in common. And this is why
we now see Congress now investigating this. They want a
full on investigation about what's happening to these scientists. Where's McCaslin,
Where's Raza, where are they? I mean, this is getting

(02:19:55):
very real when all of a sudden, Congress, who's trying
to get to the bottom of this whole you story,
now has a wrench thrown in. And now it makes
me think. You know, at times, people talk, okay, politicians
like to exaggerate. We all know that. When Burlison came
out and said, you know, I got threatened, they threatened

(02:20:16):
my life, I'm like, oh God, here we go, here
we go. Typical politician talking but now after seeing all
of this happen, now it's like, Holy cow, is this
actually real? Is this what's going on?

Speaker 4 (02:20:35):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:20:35):
Do we have some sort of Clinton count on this?

Speaker 4 (02:20:40):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
I have heard that for a while, right. I mean
I say that in jest. Okay, I say that in jest,
but I mean it also makes you wonder about all
of these people who talk grant about this secret shadow
government that is con trolling this subject. Are they the

(02:21:03):
ones pulling the strings on this or is it all
Is it all coincidence?

Speaker 4 (02:21:10):
I don't think it's goingcidence by any means. The timeline's
too tight, especially the one with the gil Mar guy
when you look at exactly what happened there, because there's
actually a paper trail on that one with the gentleman
that ended up getting him. It's more people are involved

(02:21:31):
in this than what we do, especially with the terms
and conditions of how that happened to him. And then
you look back on it in a very tight few days,
what happened to the guy that ended up taking him out?
And then you see that he violated so many laws,
almost got in trouble for it, let out and again
he was back on that guy's front porch to do this,

(02:21:54):
and it's just like what in the world. And these
people are just i mean everything one of them are are.
The thread is just too clean. There's it's not as
zigzag line anymore. It's a pretty straight straightforward. All these
people are a part of some sort sort of government agency.
They all have common links, they all have specialized fields,

(02:22:17):
you know, And yeah, no, it's they're they're trying to
hush hush everything that's going on. They don't want the
truth out. And I believe that, you know, if it's
if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I willheartedly now after
reading everything that I've read up on this so far,
it's it's getting almost picture crystal clear where that's exactly

(02:22:37):
what they're doing, I mean. And when you get like
bird chetting them going to the FBI about it and saying, hey,
you need to do a deep dive on this. And
there's other outlets like Daily Mail, New York Post, News Nation,
you know, Ross Colhard even, and and they're all talking
about it, it's like this is this, this needs some attention.
We need to figure out what the heck is really

(02:22:59):
going on here.

Speaker 1 (02:23:01):
I think we're getting to a point with this happening,
that we're getting to a point where I think the
other side if there is some sort of shadow government
going on with this, Okay, we're getting to the point
where they're saying, see what we can do allegedly, See

(02:23:23):
what we can do, See what we have the ability
to do at any time, anywhere, anyhow. We can make
it loud or we can make it real quiet, you know,
And I just it's very it's a very uncomfortable story,

(02:23:44):
Like I don't even like talking about it, but we
have to because it's UFO news. I don't even like
talking about it though it makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (02:23:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's super. There's no smoking gun. It's the
only problem. We don't have a we don't have a
confirmed cover up. We don't have a smoking gun. There's
ongoing investigations. I mean, I wish details would drop on this,
but until we figure it out, you know, especially when

(02:24:18):
you're thirty feet behind a couple of your mates and
then all of a sudden, proof you're gone, Like what
how does that happen?

Speaker 1 (02:24:28):
We'll find out when we come back with Grant Baker.
We're gonna get into more UFO news, And this is
spaced out radio and your hots stuff.

Speaker 9 (02:25:01):
All right, excuse me, dude, some of these are just
ridiculous if you read what these people actually did.

Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
Oh gosh, yeah, that's the one Terry sent to you.

Speaker 4 (02:25:23):
Uh no, I'm using other notes. I do have that
one as well. That one's wild. So that's the where
I got most of the grill. Mar the Caltech guy,
the astrophysicist. I mean, all these people are high clearance,

(02:25:45):
high clearance.

Speaker 1 (02:25:50):
Yeah, it's scary, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:25:55):
The thing is they don't even know. If it's just
five cases in the last nine months, they might think
it's a little bit more purtime.

Speaker 1 (02:26:01):
Marcus SONI did a list up of of sixty one
or sixty two people over the years, not recently, but
over the years. It includes recently been about four minutes. Okay,

(02:26:29):
how was your weekend?

Speaker 4 (02:26:31):
Uh it was tough, actually, I mean it was good.
And just trying, you know, rehabilitate myself without going through
rebilitation until I get into it on the ninth I
think I'm just trying to, you know, fix myself. I
fixed myself, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (02:26:52):
Well that's good.

Speaker 4 (02:26:54):
Yeah, they got me out of the boot. Well I'm
not out of it. It's right here. But anytime I'm horizontal,
stay out of the boot. And I said okay, and
then they took all the stuff off so I could
see my foot full and clear. It's pretty neat looking, man,
those those nice purple lines won't go away a little while. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:27:19):
Well, you know what you gotta. You gotta be careful
carrying around that toague out that you got.

Speaker 4 (02:27:29):
You gotta maintain it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:33):
Oh, you should probably go buy a new vehicle for this.

Speaker 4 (02:27:41):
I know, I thought about it. Actually, I was just
driving my big truck today, my big black Diesel truck.

Speaker 1 (02:27:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:27:52):
I was like, you know what, I really don't need this.
I have another vehicle that will pull my tailer no
problem impact, probably better than that truck. And I was like, eh,
I have three trucks.

Speaker 1 (02:28:00):
I can get rid of one.

Speaker 4 (02:28:01):
Then I started looking into Volkswagen Beetles with my daughter
because she wants to get rid of the jeep. And
I'm probably just gonna go buyer one and then keep
the jeep for myself. That might be, and I might
end up just doing that that way, don't have to spend.

Speaker 1 (02:28:15):
Too much money.

Speaker 4 (02:28:23):
She just has to have the stick shift.

Speaker 1 (02:28:32):
Got about a minute and forty five.

Speaker 4 (02:28:34):
Dude, beat Hm, everybody smashed that like button like it
owes you money? Right, Yes, I already did tonight. Well
that's we had one hundred yet I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:28:56):
I can't see. I don't see the thumbs up still laughter.

Speaker 4 (02:29:02):
One twenty sweat six, Good job, guys, if yeah, one
twenty eight. Now look you guys, go, oh look that's
what'd you look at that?

Speaker 1 (02:29:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:29:18):
For every like I'll take a drink of my cherry soda.
It's been the ice is melted in it.

Speaker 1 (02:29:24):
I'm still excited about I'm still excited about the fact
that you're setting me straws. Oh yeah, you're you're gonna
hate me though when you get them right.

Speaker 4 (02:29:37):
You haven't clicked on the link yet and seeing exactly
what its sense you.

Speaker 1 (02:29:42):
Oh god, I'll get there. Still get there.

Speaker 4 (02:29:50):
Woh look here, I wish that wasn't flat. That'd be great.

Speaker 1 (02:29:57):
Yeah, you mean the tracking code.

Speaker 4 (02:30:01):
I gave you the dracking code, but it tells you
what I actually bought to. I have the look what
thirty one I which had a briskie.

Speaker 1 (02:30:12):
It doesn't show me anything.

Speaker 4 (02:30:15):
No, let me do it this way.

Speaker 1 (02:30:18):
Then all right, here we go, buddy, all right, we're

(02:30:43):
into the final half hour of Spaced Out Radio tonight.
My name is Dave Scott. Our good friend Grant Baker
is here with the UFO Report, and we're going from
a disturbing topic, which is the missing and deceased scientists
too something a little bit more fun than something we
all to talk about. It looks like Grant Bob Lazaar

(02:31:04):
is about to become much more well known once again.

Speaker 4 (02:31:14):
Yes, I love it. I'm super excited about this one. Actually,
anything that has to do with Bob Blazar I am
a fan of. I've kind of been watching this guy
ever since he came out. I remember when I was
a kid, is when him and Nap came out with
what his story was. And the cool thing about it
is he's never really changed it up. And from the

(02:31:37):
pictures that he's drawn and then actually seen, like actual
photographs of the Balm scanners to Element one fifteen, it's
just been an awesome story throughout time. And you know,
with all the investigative work that many people have done,
they've actually verified yes, this guy was at lost almost
he was over here, he was you know, and just

(02:32:00):
kept going on and they tried to erase him and
the big you know he went on Rogan that I
watched that. I think Jeremy Corbell was on with him
on that one. Everything he's ever done. I'm super excited
to see what they come up with this one. I
did read that it was tied in with Rogan at
some point there, though, Do you have an idea of

(02:32:22):
what that might be?

Speaker 1 (02:32:23):
Well, the last time Joe Rogan had our good friend,
Bob Lasar, I call him a good friend, I believe
it or not. Did you know I spoke to him once?

Speaker 4 (02:32:35):
Oh? I did too, Yeah, I didn't know you did, though?
When did you do that?

Speaker 1 (02:32:39):
After our S O R Fan party in Vegas? What
was it? Two years ago? Jim Goodall drove up to Oregon,
oh your area to go meet with Bob, and.

Speaker 4 (02:32:56):
I even offered to make him some steak dinner. He's
literally like twenty mins down the road for me.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
Yes, And so when I called Jim afterwards, just make
sure he got to uh Oregon, Okay, He's like, yeah,
he goes. In fact, I'm sitting on Bob's couch right now,
and it happened to be my birthday, so I said,
I said to Jim, I said, would it be okay

(02:33:26):
if I talked to Bob. Since it's my birthday and
it's a jim. I don't ask for much, but I
would love to be able to talk to Bob on
my birthday, just say hello. And so you sure Bob
would love that. So he goes, Bob, this is my
good friend Dave Scott and he's from Spaced Out Radio.
I do his show all the time. I was just

(02:33:47):
in Vegas with him and he's one of my best
friends in this field. And it's his birthday and he'd
love to be able to say hi to you. And
Bob's like, absolutely, you know, let's let's talk about you know.
And I was, dude, I was like, this is Bob
f and Lazar. This is a f and Lazar, right, So,

(02:34:11):
I mean that's kind of the way I looked at it,
like I was starstruck, you know, I was. I mean,
you're Bob Lazar, you know, I mean, what are you supposed.

Speaker 4 (02:34:20):
To do with that? Yeah? Yeah, I'll tell you. So
his shop is literally ten minutes from my house. He
owns a shop where I live. And I knew one
day I forgot who I was on the phone with.
I might even texted you about it. Hey, Bob Lazar
is behind me in a car. That was like the
closest I've gotten to him. I've seen him in his

(02:34:41):
shop many times, and I haven't seen him recently, but
he's in there all the time. One day, I went
parked in front of this little mini martin that's for
the big grocery store, right next to a shop, and
he walked right in front of my big truck and
I was hurrying, You have no idea how fast I got.

Speaker 3 (02:35:00):
I see that off.

Speaker 4 (02:35:00):
As soon as I see him, I'm like, oh my gosh.
And I got out of the truck. I said hey Bob,
and he stopped and turned around and I said, hey, man,
I just wanted to say thank you for everything you've
done for the community. He's like, yeah, no problem. What's
your name. I said, Oh, I'm Grant Baker, and you know,
just wanted to say hi to you. And he goes, oh,
it was nice meeting. And he shook my hand and

(02:35:21):
super nice guy, like he has no problem just talking
to random people, like it didn't even FaZe him.

Speaker 1 (02:35:29):
Well that's good, that's good. Yeah, I've heard good things
about him that he's just a really nice guy. It's
a really nice guy.

Speaker 4 (02:35:40):
Good Tipper too found that out.

Speaker 1 (02:35:43):
So apparently former guests on this show, Luigi Venda Telly
made a documentary called S four and he's done it
with Chris Ramsey. A couple of good Canadian Montreal boys
put this film together and it's kind of Bob telling

(02:36:03):
his stories through reenactments and three D and AI and
it is apparently going to be incredible. This movie gets
released on April third, and I'm gonna be honest with you,
I'm excited about it. I am very excited about it.
I love everything Bob Lazar, I really do. Now you

(02:36:27):
talk to people who have either worked there or no
people who worked at Area fifty one, Bob Lazar is
either the biggest joke or he's somebody who is so

(02:36:48):
far deep that nobody knows whether or not he existed there.
I've heard from from alleged people that have been not
personally this is sa can hand information. I've heard from
people who claim that they have worked at the base
for thirty plus years and they never knew who Bob

(02:37:11):
Olizar was. They never saw him on a Janet jet,
they never saw him, you know, get off the plane
and walk around the base. But also there are different
sections to it. So Area fifty one is its own base.
Papoose Lake at S four is a different base. There

(02:37:34):
are dozens of different bases, maybe even hundreds. We don't
know of different bases at at nellis Air Force Range
around Area fifty one. So your thoughts scrap.

Speaker 4 (02:37:49):
I agree with that completely, especially with the fact that
there is a small paper trail that you can go
down and find he was really there, including one guy
that actually had his W two you know, or you know,
one of his check stubs or paste stubs, and we've

(02:38:10):
gone all the information. He was definitely there. I mean,
the dude has once you start listening to him and
seeing what he does in real life and you realize that, yeah,
this is what he does. He was definitely a scientist.
He is definitely a scientist. You see his shop. It
is ridiculous. It is if you're a scientist, you would

(02:38:33):
love it, and we like, I believe whole hardly the
as for if you went on the Janet jet, there's
probably how many of those leaving every night or every day.
You know, he could have been on one that was
just like clockwork and the people that they talked to
were on a different one that was on their time.
Oh I got to go to work now, okay, well
there's different shifts people, and there's different facilities that you're

(02:38:55):
going to be working at, and it was so compartmentalized that,
you know, he went into okay, well, let's figure out
what propulsion system this is, and in theoretical elements and
all this jazz that he was working in to the
point where he wasn't even told when he actually went
inside one of the saucers what the other people that
were there doing. He wasn't allowed to speak to anybody,

(02:39:18):
and he had a timeframe where he said, okay, I
need to understand the context where this sat to understand
what it might do. And so they allowed him in there,
and there happened to be other people don't talk to
them like that's what they did. So, of course, if
you have one guy that was on the other side
of the base, mop in a hallway or working on
an electronic schematic system or whatever, they're not going to meet.

(02:39:41):
So it makes complete sense that a lot of these
people wouldn't know who he But the paper trail says otherwise,
he was definitely there. I mean, the guy was a
propulsions guy. I had seen personally the bike, the jet
powered bike that he created. I've seen it with my
own eyes. I was less than twenty feet from it
my town. Like, the guy is wild, It's awesome. I

(02:40:04):
love him and I'm a fanboy. I'm sorry. I will
believe Bob to the day I'm gone. That's just my take.

Speaker 1 (02:40:13):
I just don't think that he would make it up.
I really don't think that he would make it up.
You would. Nobody in their right mind would want that
type of notoriety.

Speaker 4 (02:40:29):
That's what I was just gonna say.

Speaker 1 (02:40:31):
Okay, it's like Patterson and Gibblin. They made nothing off
of the movie of of Patty the Sasquatch. They made
nothing off of it. The only thing they got out
of it was notoriety. Some most good, some bad. That's it.

Speaker 2 (02:40:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:40:53):
They're not millionaires over it, they aren't. I mean, Bob
Lazar will be in a different category. The only thing
that strikes me a little bit odd is this is
a guy and this is one that I can't figure out.
This is a guy who leaked the term Area fifty
one because nobody talked about this secret base called Area

(02:41:17):
fifty one or S four in the eighties. Bob did,
though he goes public about it, protects himself through media
when media actually did his job and George Knapp really
really helped him out with that. But what troubles me

(02:41:39):
about it, and one of the mystery pieces that I
don't understand, Grant, is that Bob Lazar when he started
his company, what is it, United Nuclear, I believe he
got government contracts if he screwed the govern badly over this,

(02:42:02):
and the government has always denied that he worked there,
and he made a mockery of it. Let let alone,
you know, with John lear and and everybody else, okay,
outed Area fifty one. Why would he get government contracts?

(02:42:23):
That doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 4 (02:42:26):
And not only that, but if you go to a
store front right now, and if you want, I will,
when I'm able to get up and out, I will
take a video. I will walk right in front of
the store and show you what the science say. It
is not open to the public. I am not allowed
inside that shop. I have been within the breezeway of it,
the first door, but there's two and you are not

(02:42:46):
allowed to go inside that shop. That is you a lot.
You can order from him if you guys want to.
He's got some cool stuff in there. But yeah, no,
the guy, I mean, here's here's a good way to
look at it. There was, like I mentioned before, that
palm scan. He had told people about it. Then I

(02:43:11):
forget exactly or which reporter showed him an actual photograph
of that palm scan. And he had a genuine, visceral
reaction to that photograph. He knew exactly what it was.
And he's like, I didn't even think they had these anymore.
And they're like, yeah, there's one at this Air Force

(02:43:31):
base down here. There's only one. It's for a secured door.
And we procured a photograph of it just to see
what you would what you would say, And sure enough,
I mean, it was genuine. You can see that he
recognized that right off the bat. He's been there. He
was there. He's not lying. He's too nice of the guy.

Speaker 1 (02:43:53):
Why are we still so fascinated about his story? Thirty
six thirty seven years later?

Speaker 4 (02:44:02):
A few reasons. One, he like, I'm a nuts and
bulls guy. Some people are part of the dimensional stuff
or whatever. I'm a nuts and bolts. I believe that
there are a physical craft, and it's kind of like
reading The Hardy Boys. You know, it's an adventure, and
we all want an adventure. We live vicariously through other

(02:44:24):
people's stories. In some cases, that's how YouTube became so popular.
And when you have something that's so fantastic, I worked
on the propulsion system on a spacecraft. It's not a
part of this world with exotic metals and exotic lists
and miniature chairs, and people will gravitate towards that. It's

(02:44:48):
not only a novelty, but it's also answering a little
bit of that itch that we've always had throughout all
of human life, including thousands of years ago. Are we
the only ones? Are we? Where do we come? That
is something that we're constantly doing. And when you have
a little tidbit of information or a fairy tale in

(02:45:10):
some people's eyes, or even just a story of hey,
I did this or I see that, people listen to it,
and so many people will gravitate towards those. I go
out in the public, I wear a Sasquat shirt. People
are like, oh man, and they automatically start telling me
the story. It's ingrained in us. We want to know

(02:45:30):
what's out there. You know, we know more about Saturn
right now than we do what's under our own oceans.
And because the ocean's here, it's right close to us,
saturns far away. What's out there? You got megalis on
Mars and it hits the media and if people gravitate
towards it, it's that who else is out there? Who

(02:45:51):
can we shake hands with? Say hey, we're your galactic neighbors,
or in certain cases like our military, of how do
we weaponize what you got? You know, we see your cars,
but what else do you got? And it just goes
on and on and so I think that realistically humans
are gonna want to know are aliens real? Are we
alone in the universe? You worked on one of their spacecrafts?

(02:46:14):
What do they look like? I didn't see them, but
I know they're small.

Speaker 2 (02:46:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:46:18):
It's just it's awesome. It's one of those things that
if true Capital D disclosure happened, and it was like
Star Trek, we all got along together and had different
species from different dimensions or planets all in one ship
or one Earth. You know, at that point, what else

(02:46:39):
are we looking for? I think it's just how do
we survive? Longer, where do we come from? And it
might even be answered in that all inclusive topic.

Speaker 1 (02:46:50):
I find it fascinating that the longevity of this story,
and yet people look at his criminal record, okay, because
he was he was busted in a brothel scam with
video cameras or something along those lines. To me, that
doesn't mean anything compared to the story. That doesn't take

(02:47:10):
away his work at Area fifty one, okay, or at
S four or whatever. We want to know about the
sports model. We wouldn't know about the sports model if
he hadn't said it, you know, I mean, I mean,

(02:47:31):
he he's still as relevant today as he was thirty
seven years ago.

Speaker 4 (02:47:41):
Well, it's not only do we want to see the
sports model, Yes, I would love to see it. Everybody's
gotten dirt. I don't care who you are. You'd made
a mistake somewhere that you might be ashamed of. It's
called skeletons in the closet, and he just had one.
It's just like anybody else, anybody, especially it's in the

(02:48:02):
limelight where millions of people are going to be looking
at this. You're always going to have those people that
dig up dirt, doesn't matter how small it is, and
then it's going to be mediaized or and blown out
of abortion. And that's that's the way it works. It's
it's kind of a horrific way to look at it,
but you know, and that's how they're going to try

(02:48:23):
to take them down. I mean, if you've listened to
the story what happened with the phone calls being tapped
and his wife and that whole thing. Him thinking he
was going to get fired or in trouble, started taking
friends out to the desert to watch these things. He
knew when they were going to be there, what they
were going to be doing, like, and there's people that
admitted to that. Yeah, he went out there and see
these with them. He proved it. He proved everything that

(02:48:48):
he talked about, everything that he told us. So the
brothel thing, man, whatever, it's it's a mistake. He probably is,
you know, feels a little it's in the past.

Speaker 1 (02:48:59):
Who I'm looking forward to it. I think it's going
to be a great production. It already looks in the
trailer that is out there right now. It looks incredible.
Imagine going from from you know, we're all pumped up
about George Lucas, not George Lucas. Sorry, uh, you know, Oh,

(02:49:21):
what's what's his name?

Speaker 8 (02:49:22):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:49:22):
White? Why did I just forget his name?

Speaker 4 (02:49:25):
Those Encounters are the third guy?

Speaker 1 (02:49:26):
Yes? Why did I just forget his name?

Speaker 4 (02:49:30):
Now? You made me forget it? Oh my god, everybody, I.

Speaker 3 (02:49:33):
Feel like.

Speaker 1 (02:49:36):
I feel like such a moron right now, as stupid
as as it is. I want to say, George Steinbrenner,
But it's not that owner of the Yankees. Darn Steven Spielberg,
not even George Steven Spielberg, Thank you, thank you. Okay,
when we think Steven Spielberg and and disclosure Day coming up,

(02:49:57):
which many of us are actually thinking that, you know,
at least me hoping fingers crossed that even though it
said it's not supposed to be a sequel to Close
Encounters of the Third Kind, you're kind of just hoping
that it is, you know what I'm saying, kind of

(02:50:20):
hoping that it is. And now all of a sudden,
a couple months earlier, boom, now we get the Bob
Blazars four story coming out. I don't spend money on movies.
I refuse to spend money on movies. Okay, but this
one I will, this one, I will. I want to

(02:50:42):
see this movie.

Speaker 4 (02:50:44):
I want to see both of them. Think both of
them are going to be great. And not on top
of that, so here's the cool thing about As four
is Bob Lazar is going to narrate.

Speaker 1 (02:50:55):
This movie himself. Yeah, see does That's what's awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:50:58):
And then the Stephens Spielberg movie Disclosure Day, with what
I've gotten out of it and what I've seen in
a little bit of a deep dive on that is
it's not so much a sequel, it's just the because
what happened in Close Encounters is in some people's minds,

(02:51:19):
especially with how he got his information, was kind of
a representation of what had already happened, and this one
is going to be So that was like, Okay, I
made a movie about what's already happened. This is a
movie where a lot of people were speculating that is
going to happen. So it's a little bit different direction.

(02:51:40):
I can't wait for both. I think you're right. I'm
going to actually pay for these movies and watch them both.

Speaker 1 (02:51:47):
And then prior to that coming up here soon, Bob
Lazar will be back on Joe Rogan The Joe Rogan
Podcast Lizaar was one of his highest rated shows ever.
Expect that to happen again. Grant, thank you very much
for coming on space Out Radio for the UFO Report.
Great job as always, as we say good night to

(02:52:09):
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Speaker 7 (02:52:47):
Hello you.

Speaker 1 (02:52:50):
Remember this show is copyright but spaced Out Radio and
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