This Researcher Believes Sasquatch Are Very Real | Carter Buschardt tells us why? - Spaced Out Radio

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Today We're gonna get into the forest around North America.
Carter Bouchhards experiencer, author, researcher and a guy with a
good mustache is here tonight to talk about bigfoot, sasquatch,

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and every other cryptid creature around. Then in our number three,
swamp Dweller will join us with another creepy store. We're
going to follow that up with Robin Haynes with a
cryptid Q and A So be prepared. It's going to
be a fast, exciting show of monsters, so let's get
right to it. Carter bouch Schardt is a seasoned cryptid researcher.

(03:14):
He's afraid of me at the poker table. That's why
he's never played me. He's an author, an experiencer whose
work bridges the gap between sasquatch research and high strangeness phenomena.
Best known for his book Baptized by Abduction, Carter details
a life altering encounter that began when he was just
eight to nine years old in nineteen fifty nine. God,

(03:36):
I thought it was like nineteen thirty nine. I'm teasing,
I'm teaching. I love Carter. I really do love Carter.
He's an amazing friend. When he and his friends were
reportedly taking aboard to spacecraft will riding their bikes in Dallas, Texas.
These experiences which he claims continued into childhood and adulthood,
possibly as recently as twenty twenty one, have been explored

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through seven hypnotics regression sessions, offering a deep personal look
into the world of alien abduction and consciousness. With over
fifteen years of dedicated sasquatch research, Carter has led multiple
expeditions for the BFRO across Missouri and Illinois, and he
has contributed more than one hundred reports to the databases

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while covering key Midwest regions including Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma.
Let's bring him on in because this guy is just
a treat. He really is. You're gonna love him. Carter Bouchard,
Welcome back to spaced Out Radio. My friend, how are you?

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I'm just stunning, Dave. I can't believe your hair. You
I just want to mess it up.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know what the best part about me being in
British Columbia and you and Missouri, you know what that is?

Speaker 4 (04:46):
You don't have to play me in poker.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
You don't have to mess my hair. Oh yeah that too,
you know you know what. I'm gonna put this out
there for the whole world to hear. When you and
I not if when you and I finally get it
to the poker table. Okay, if you beat me, and

(05:09):
I'm going to tell everybody Carter has played in the
World Series of Poker twice. He plays poker literally a
few days every week. Okay, I don't, but I'm confident
by my game. Okay, if you beat me in poker,
I will let you. Let you cut my hair.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
I'd rather host your stop for a night.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
We could do that. I would let you do that.
I would totally sure have me on there. Sure we
could do that when we finally meet, When we finally meet,
what we will do that? My friend, It's been so
long since you've been on this show, way too long,
and I love it when you are on this show.

(05:55):
You are somebody who became interested in sasquatch almost twenty
years ago, and now you are getting kind of into
the alien abduction phenomena after you started having some some
recourse on some memories that you had, I mean a recall.
Pardon me, you know, did you ever think that, you know,
you were a professional guy, you lived a good, solid life.

(06:18):
Did you ever think that in retirement you'd be dealing
with monsters and legends?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
No? No, I have no idea that that's just totally
left field. As far as I was concerned, I had
I had no plans on this. It just it just
turned out. And you know, the abduction we found out
by accident. So I had no idea until twenty years

(06:45):
ago that i'd been I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
What brought you to this phenomena with Bigfoot. Let's start
with Bigfoot here.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Nard Ny in search of that's the first time I
think I was thirteen fourteen I saw the Paddy film
and that was like when I saw that, I just went, well,
that's real. Next, I just knew it was real. I

(07:20):
didn't think it was like the fairy tale or anything.
That's what got me into it, you know, and how
you know. And a few years later, my wife and
I decided to go to Washington State just to get away,
you know. We rented a cabin in the middle of nowhere,

(07:43):
and I wanted to go see if I see a
sadsquatch bickfoot. Why not everybody else does it? Well, we
didn't see one, but I went on. We were just
hiking in the woods and I found a a Ammo

(08:03):
box caned to a tree and I was going, well,
I got to take a leak, and I'm seeing this
thing and I don't want to touch it because I
thought maybe, you know, marijuana had become legal in Washington
state back then, and so you could get high in Washington.

(08:23):
But we were told when you're hiking, you got to
watch out because the guys that are growing the pot
illegally are protecting their stash with their armed so you
don't want to go hiking out in the woods. So
when I saw this dash, this box, this ammo box

(08:45):
chained to a trail, I was going, oh crap, I
just found somebody's stash and I was waiting for guns
to go off behind me, but nothing happened. So I
ended up I opened it. I was just curious and
inside you for me geocash.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yes, I'm a geocasher, are you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, okay, well that's what this was. It was I'd
never heard of it, and so I went through there
and I realized, you've got to take something out of
the box and then you put something into yours and
you signed the name that you were there. And I
picked up a car and it was a business card
for a sasquatch investigator. I'm going this is supposed to happen.

(09:31):
Because I've been wanting to do this, I didn't know how,
and so I called this guy and long story shorty
puts me in touch with the guys in Missouri, where
I'm from, where I live now. I went on an
expedition and a year year and a half later, I
was leading expedition, or the guy that was doing it

(09:52):
got fired and the hired me, And that's that's how
I got into it. And it's been a been a blast,
it's been eye opening, an incredible and you know, the
research I do is not sexy or exciting, like you
know these guys that are you know, kidnapped and strapped

(10:14):
to a tree and almost eaten and all that. I
don't know. My stuff is all habituation, all people families
living with sashquatch, all their properties and interacting with them
every day, every week, every month, every year, whatever they want.
Both parties have agreed in silence to maintain a relationship

(10:37):
of source while they're living on a property that humans
live on. And that's that's how I got into the
research part of it that was just fascinating. You can
go out and chopped some firewood and there's a sashquatch washing,
you chop firewood, there's brutus. Hey, there's Timmy. It's just

(10:59):
it would in the bizarre thing. How I got into that.
I don't really recall that. It just gravitated to that.
So all my all my books and everything are all
about habituation, mostly where people are living with and I
get calls once or twice a month or an email

(11:19):
guess what happened. It's a new story. It just it's
the gift that keeps on giving. It's been, it's been
a joy. It's just it's an incredible thing. That's how
into it.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
As much as you love looking for sasquatch, hearing the
stories the encounters that people have. Mhm, would you want
it proven real?

Speaker 4 (11:46):
WHOA? Yeah to me, they are real. I mean I.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Won't I understand that. But I'm saying, would you want
mainstream public like, look what's happened to the UFO field?

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Would you want that in the sasquatch world?

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Well, I'm torn because there's nutjobs with ar fifteens that
are ready to go into a forest if somebody says
they saw a sasquatch or got them living on their
property and mow them down becaus there's a big price tag.
If you were to kill a squatch and bring it in,

(12:24):
I don't know how popular you'd be. You'd be hated
by many people. But you know, that's actually a pretty
good question, you know, if they could be protected somehow,
not that they needed, but from the gun toting nut
jobs that probably do, or we would lose touch with

(12:45):
them altogether. They go into places we would just never
be allowed to go. The government would shut them off.
So yeah, that's a good question. It's kind of a
double edged sword, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I don't think I wanted to happen. I don't want
to see, you know, places where you've researched, I've researched,
or other people have their own places research get overrun
by a bunch of people who are a little bit
over zealous, shall we say it a very polite term,

(13:20):
in order to do it. I mean, that's what happened
in the ghost hunting field, in the paranormal field, when
when television became very popular with it is, all of
a sudden, everybody and their dog became a ghost hunter, okay,
and then following that, they started, you know, going for clicks,

(13:41):
you know, It took a number of years, but all
of a sudden it became an Internet sensation. You look
at it today. There are locations now that do not
allow paranormal investigators in because they've ruined the location in
so many different ways, whether it's their lack of professionalism,
whether it's uh, you know, wrecking museums, you know, painting

(14:05):
over walls, doing whatever, claiming demons are everywhere in every location,
scaring off potential customers and patrons because of demons, all
for clickbait. I mean, the paranormal got ugly. We see
the UFO world getting ugly because of the of the
popularity of the UFO subject of the UAP thing going on.

(14:28):
I don't want that for Bigfoot in the cryptids. I
like going out in the mountains in my areas and
not having anybody around.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. You know, and you know
in the you know, the national forest. You know, my
main area of research here in Missouri is mark Twayite
National Force. It's a huge, of course, it's massive, and
there are places you can go in places you should

(14:58):
not go. And the places that you should not go
are the ones where the Sasquat Friside you know, when
they live in the wild, truly in the wild. So yeah,
I would miss that it was suddenly curtailed somehow, you know.
You know, I love it when my phone rings and

(15:18):
someone's kind of a siting their first sighting and they're
so excited and they're so overjoyed because they thought it
was fake or made up or you know. That's something
my uncle Bob used to talk about and I thought
he was nuts, but he's not nuts, you know, So
that would ruin that. You know, I get great joy
in talking to people who had their very first and

(15:40):
they just want to know everything there is to know,
and I don't know everything, but I tell them the basics.
You know. Yes, they are real and they can communicate
may or smarter or smarter than we are, you know,
on different levels, you know, the esoteric and the paranormal,
the quantum skills they have and things of that nature.

(16:04):
So I would miss that terribly if that got curtailed
any way, shape or form. That would do, because it's
a it's a view into the the science of it all,
in the existence of a being that we probably felt
superior to, and we are not superior to them, you know,

(16:26):
then we have guns. Call that superior.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
They are very superior in the forest. They are the
I think they are the apex of all apex predators
out there, you know. And the idea that someone out
there is faking this, okay, that they're faking footprints. I

(16:49):
mean there are places I've found footprints where you don't
see people walking around there. You don't see people hanging
out saying, hey, I'm gonna drive twenty five miles into
the forest, make a left turt on a goat trail, okay,
and drive that for three and a half four miles

(17:13):
and then you know, walk up a steep hill to
all of a sudden leave a couple of big foot
tracks and then drive away. It's not really what it
goes on.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
No, no, no, the footprints, if they do leave them,
they're very very adept in smart enough to erase them
or hide them.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
You know, they don't leave prince. You know, they walk
in in creeks. You know, they walk on all fours.
They don't walk in bare dirt unless they just have to.
I've had reports where they're they're seen in broad daylight
and then they uproot a tree, a sapling, drag it

(18:00):
behind them as they are walking away very quickly from
the humans that found them, and they are erasing their
tracks as they're walking away. How smart is that? I mean,
that's that's very intelligent. You know, of course I wish
I could uproot a tree myself, but you know they

(18:20):
could uproot a tree and dragon behind them, and I
raised the prince. I've had several people too, and they've
watched it.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's incredible when you think that when you and I
first met, When you and I first met, you were
very flesh and blood about the Sasquatch, extremely flesh and blood.
You've now kind of changed your tune on that where
you're more of a not sure what it is kind
of researcher. Why did you change your tune?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, the very first expedition I lied, I watched one
vandish in front of my eyes. I was watching it
on thermal. I had a little thermal scope at the
big camera, but just a scope, and it didn't know

(19:15):
we were there. We were looking for a party that
got separated. On my first expedition of a party left
of about seven or eight and they got separated. They
got lost, they missed their turn they were supposed to.
We were going to stay in camp, and they were
going to make about a one and a half two
mile circle at night and come back join us and
tell us what they saw and we continue our squatching. Well,

(19:37):
they got lost. We had bad radio because we were
down in a holler, so I had everybody being quiet
and I was watching through the forest at night. I'm
the only one that had a thermal at the time,
and I was watching for their heat signature because radio
was terrible. We could not hear each other because we
were down in the holler and they were high. We

(19:59):
we just couldn't community. So, uh, I finally found a
heat signature. I find I think I found him. I
think I found him. Well, it wasn't them. It was
a sasquatch that didn't know we were there because I
was sitting and we were sitting there in silence, and
it walked around realized there because I gasped when I
saw them, and it took one step. The second step

(20:21):
boom gone. It was like a flash bob went off
in front of my face. I couldn't see. It was,
you know, blinding. It is like literally like a flashbulb
went off right in front of your face. And in
that very moment I took the road less travel. I said,
these guys are not dumb apes like the guys that
brought me into this, and I, you know, I'm grateful

(20:43):
that they brought me into the group and all that,
but they were very, very hostile about anything paranormal. They're
not paranormal. They don't have any skills. They're flesh and blood.
If anything anything other than that, you're just a You're
just a dummy. Just forget it. It's just stupid. And
they were hostile and mean when they were sharing their

(21:03):
beliefs that it was just like ef anybody believes that
even just you know, efing stupid, You're just an idiot.
It's ridiculous. Well my, how things have changed, you know.
But anyway, so I took that other that that fork
on the road.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
I went the other way, and it opened everything up
because you know, being if it's a dumb ay, that
only explains about three percent of all the things that
people were reporting, you know.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Tree peaking, crossing the road late at night, that kind
of stuff. Other than that, the portals, the orbs, the disappearing, vanishing,
and mind speak, I've had that. It just it tells
you that you're you're fighting something you you can't possibly understand.

(21:55):
If you just believe it's a dumb ate, you just
can't fathom it because you're blocking all the other stuff out.
So that's that's where I got going, and that's where
I became the paranormal guy, because and they are. I've
experienced all of it in some way, shape or form,

(22:15):
and it's just the craziest thing fascinating, but it's crazy,
pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Do you regret looking towards the WU side more.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
No, it's been awesome, you know, and the attitude of
people has changed in ten years. I say, instead of
it being eighty percent dumb abe, it's more like forty
thirty percent dumb abe in sixty seventy percent. There's something

(22:51):
to that paranormal that's just I can't explain what I
just saw by watch it. You have to open your
mind and think of other things that you know are
reserved for you know, ets and ghost and the paranormal. No,
I don't regret it at all. You know, I took

(23:11):
a bunch of flag You have to. Probably if you
start talking about that and you get into a group
of closed minded people, it kind of fend them off
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
You know, big stick, you love stories, you love people's encounters.
What is it We got about forty five seconds to
go before we go to break. What is it about
people's encounters that really pique your interest?

Speaker 4 (23:38):
It's the emotion, It's the seeing them excited and you're
not gonna believe this when I tell you this, blah
blah blah, and they go off. And that's what got
me started on this because I was doing reports for
bfi oh and people would not I could tell. They
were like paging their bet they were talking, but they

(23:59):
were telling me everything. You know. They anytime they talked
about paranobal they say, well, my uncle Bob or my
grandpa he saw one. You know, you disappeared one night.
But I know that's a bunch of crap that can't happen. Well,
tell me more about it. And it turned out it
was them seeing it and they were just bs and
me because they didn't want me to laugh and scoff

(24:20):
at them like everybody else.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
It's amazing how many people in those moments have an
uncle Bob. They all have an uncle Bob when they
need to tell a story about cryptids or UFOs. Carter
Bauchard is our guest tonight on spaced Out Radio. You
can find all of his big Foot books on Amazon.
Check him on. We'll be right back with the second
half hour. All right, we're clear, buddy, all right, the

(25:07):
real Dave Rice. What's happening Little Davy Rice? Right there?
All right? Good start there, Kart.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, hey, I'll tell you something interesting. I got an
email today from the United States government reguarding my sasquatch books.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Real well, save save that for the next half hour
we got let's get into it.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
I'm just telling you. It was just the weirdest thing.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Oh, I'm excited to hear this.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Actually, yeah, it's it's it. It's pertinent in some ways,
it's sort of insulting in others. But yeah, I've never
seen a Letterly.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Did they ask if you made love to sasquatch or what?

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Close?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Nice? Nice?

Speaker 4 (26:07):
I said, Did you have to buy them dinner? I said, no,
I killed a deer for it, right, do what I wanted?
I killed a deer.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
We my one area that we got here, we were
we had it going there, man, Holy cow, we had
them probably within the tree knocks, were probably forty yards

(26:41):
or less away.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Hm, the the one stuck up at my audio. I
tell this story a lot, my audience will just roll
their eyes. We actually had one at the one point
where we weren't where we weren't filming, one snuck up
into the trees maybe thirty yards away started ripping ass

(27:03):
and we found that, we found the droppings.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah, yeah, is great. Isn't that awesome?

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, but it's like out of out of the entire time,
do not be filming, you know, that's when it starts
ripping ass. Yeah, right, a lit like cambers.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
So they're waiting for their moment.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
The only two times we got scared. A couple of
times the tree knocks were very intimidating being that close,
Like I've heard them in the distance. But but man,
when they hit up close, man, that's violent, like fire Breaker.
Yeah yeah, it was violence. Yeah, you know. And uh

(27:48):
but it got to the point where we were playing
hide and go seek with them. It was ridiculous. And
then all of a sudden, you get this little telepathic message, Okay, boys,
fund's over, It's time to go back to your vehicle.
Thes ourry area now. And okay, but the one time,

(28:08):
I don't know if you've ever had this or heard
of this. We walked into this meadow. Okay, we're in
the middle of the forest, Carter. We walked into this
meadow and there was it was like there was no
air in there. And right before we went in, Robin Haynes,

(28:32):
who will be on an hour three, she says, when
you're in the meadow, don't go too far. And when
you go down the secondary path, she says, I see
a path right by it. When you go to that path, okay,
there's gonna be like a fallen tree or something along
those lines. And she goes, don't go past there because

(28:58):
because there's a that's their area. And we hit both
areas and we couldn't breathe in both areas. It was
like there was no air there. Yeah, you ever heard
of that?

Speaker 4 (29:13):
No, no, I have, But that they can control the environment.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Dude, it was trippy. It was trippy, right. And when
we were in the meadow, my buddy Tim, I looked
at him and I just finished looking down at the
at the moss and I'm like, man, I'd love to
sit down on that moss and put my head down.
That looks so comfortable. And I told Tim my research

(29:41):
partner this and he turns to me and he goes,
oh my god, like he goes, I was just thinking
how I would love to have my lawn chair here
to take a nap. We walk out twenty five feet
airs perfect. Yeah, go down the path, get to the
end where Robin says, don't go in further. No freaking
air there anymore? Could have been a portal, could have been.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Could have been an area that is disguising a portal.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Maybe you know. One second, we got, we got our
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the second half hour.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I've missed you.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Here we go with the second half hour of spaced
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Carter Bouchard talking Sasquatch. Remindered all of you that if
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Here we go, Carter Bouchard hanging on out with us.
We're talking about whether or not Sasquatch is blood flesh

(31:27):
and blood. Is it something a little bit different? Is
it something more? Is it something less? Is it something
that we don't know? Carter, welcome back. It's good to
have you here. Thank you sir, every time, man every time.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah, it's always a blast. Dave you like a brother
I never had.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I love you, my friend. I love you, but I
don't like them. Yeah. I got two sisters the same way.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
So big question for you before we get into some stories,
because I know you've got some stories you want to share.
What do you think of the controversy about the Patterson
Gimblin film.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Money Grab. I think it's I think it's a stand
empathetic attempt to discredit and make a money grab if
there is any money to be had by what you're
going to try to tell the world that this is

(32:25):
all of farce and made of you know, good point.
But what about the other three hundred thousand people who
have had experiences in seeing them. Are they all making
it up? Are they all hallucinating? Or if this was

(32:50):
a hoax, which I doubt, then what about everybody else
who's had experiences? You're not illucinating because you watch the
Patterson Gimblin film. This existence goes on beyond that film

(33:12):
of what fifteen twenty seconds? I read along it is
thirty seconds. I watched the whole thing the other day.
Maybe it's a minute, but so no, it's really sad
because if you're trying to discredit the existence of sasquatch,
you're gonna fall flat on your face. If you're going
to try to discredit that particular film as being faked,

(33:35):
you're hoaxed. Maybe you succeed, maybe you don't, but that
is still just a money grab and trying to discredit
somebody who's done the work and pay the dues, and
you're just trying to ruffle feathers and get some fame
and cash on your way up. I just think it's sad.

(33:58):
It's poorly timed, it's poorly planned, and you know, it
doesn't erase the things I've seen and experienced, the things
you've seen and experienced. You know, how do you explain
that what you experienced and everybody else, well, I must
have just caught that sasquatch fever from the Patterson Gibblin film,

(34:21):
because that's what it was. That's what made me see things.
It's bologney, So you know, I think it's really sad
and pathetic, but I'm actually kind of glad because it's
going to let you know who the players are and
where they're you know, they'll expose themselves. It'll be sad,
it'll be sad.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I'm I'm convinced that the Patterson Giblin film is real. Yeah,
there's nothing that can convince me otherwise unless they have
the the them saying on tape, you know, while we're
while they're filming that Okay, now they're doing this as
a hoax, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (35:05):
Yeah, well, if it's fake, you might have some film
footage of the guy in the monkey suit with the
head off, smoking a cigarette and having a beer before
it goes back to work.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
That's something you might have on camera. There's too many
things to do that you could show that you did
fake this, and none of that's coming up. We still
haven't seen anything you're telling us after the fact, Well
show us how you did it. I rather doubt that's

(35:42):
going to be the result of all of this hooplah.
I just don't think it is. It's a sad day,
but I'm glad let's happening now, and we'll get it
out of the way and keep moving. Now.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
None of us really have seen this documentary. None of
us have seen what it's all about. We don't even know.
We're going off second to third hand information, you know,
what has been reported and the odd few who have
seen it who are coming out saying, oh my god,
this proves there's no Bigfoot at all, you know, the
typical social media exaggeration for clicks.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But you made a good point. Those of us who
have had experiences have seen this. We don't need the
patters of Gimblin film. The Patterson Gimblin film is just
kind of like a video dictionary of what we saw
for the most part. Yeah, you know, why do you
think the critics have become so harsh on this?

Speaker 4 (36:49):
How do you mean harsh? I mean, are they're tearing it?
They're tearing it to point pieces. Are they're going to
tear the belief in sasquatch.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
The pieces, Well, I think both, my friend.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you know there's people going to have,
you know, poop all over their shoes when it's over,
and there's people that are going to be shining like stars.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
You know.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Did you watch that Gimblin hypnosis.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I have not had an opportunity to do that yet.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
It's pretty interesting. You know. I've been I've been hypnotized
eight times.

Speaker 9 (37:22):
So he's he's out, I mean, he is out, so
and that's not fake, you know.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
And he told his story, you know, and he mentions
things that haven't been mentioned before so and so, but
that that was a real session. I didn't catch the
guy's name who explained the process of getting Gimblin to

(37:57):
recount things based on perhaps having some trauma over the vein,
you know. And when I went under my seventh time,
take it back eighth time, I've been under so many
times that she could bypass a lot of the you're

(38:19):
getting time, you're getting sleep bead. Let's go to the cloud.
Let's get on the cloud and go to the next cloud.
And you waste a lot of time and energy when
you're doing that stair stepping. But since I had been
under in many other people. And like this guy that
did Gimblins, he got to the gist of the matter

(38:43):
real quick. He didn't do a lot of that you're
getting sleepy. He just talked and then boom he was out.
And it got into that space much much quicker, and
so there's more clarity, there's more remembrance because you're not
you know, you're not wearing yourself out emotionally by you know,

(39:04):
trying to go to the next cloud and get to
the next cloud, you know, which is typical. We're going
to go to the cloud. We're going to see it,
look for the flowers. We're gonna they're trying to relax
and get you to you know, relate to your surroundings
and the whole thing that that there doesn't waste a
lot of time. So this guy did a good job.
I can't remember his name. He did it. When you
watch it, uh, there's a YouTube video. You can go

(39:26):
on YouTube and watch it. He explains for about twenty
minutes what he's doing and how he's doing it. It's
pretty it's very cerebral, you know, it's it's not you're old,
you're getting very sleepy. Watched the ball. It's not that
at all. It's it's the next level of regression. Did

(39:47):
a good job with it, you know, and you know
that he was in good hands when that guy was chosen,
you know, you chosen. It was good. You'll see it,
You'll be you'll be impressed, You'll be impressed.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
All right, Let's move on to some story time, because
every time you're on, you bring some incredible stories about
encounters with sasquatch. What what stories have popped up since
the last time we've had you on? What ones really
stick out for you?

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Well, the woman that's sticks out is my situation. Family
down south Missouri. They have a grow operation. They grow
fruits and vegetables for farmers' markets down in south east

(40:38):
west Missouri, and they have all sorts of activity on
their property. They'll see them while they're mowing the yard.
They they don't wave, but they acknowledge, and they'll stick
out from behind a tree and watch you working, you know.

(40:59):
And this one it shows you why I do what
I do as far as the habituation, because these people
are living and experiencing these creatures on an entirely different
level than you know. Matilda and Henry driving down the
street two in the morning and a sasquatch walks across

(41:22):
a lonesome highway in the middle of a forest, and
you see it. No wow, and that's all great and wonderful.
You saw one. That's an experience, But it goes far
beyond that. People are being themselves and on occasion a
sasquatch will be a part of the day's activities, or
for the sasquatch, the humans will be a part of

(41:44):
their day's activities. So this one story I have, I
think I sent a picture of the face on the wall.

Speaker 10 (41:56):
But they use these quant Dutch you know, the old
army bear things where there's just steel rings in a
semicircle and they stretch plastic over it and that becomes
their grow house and they just grow fruits and vegetables and.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
They people come and buy them and they ship them
off to farmers' markets and people make their money and
farmers that don't have time or the ability to grow
in large quantities. So that's what they do. And so
but they've had food stolen from them and they finally
realized it was probably the sasquatch. So my kid, he's

(42:40):
probably twenty five, twenty six seven somewhere in there. He
kind of runs the whole operation, and so he got
kind of irritated because fruits and vegetables were being stolen
out of their huts and or eaten and just the
scraps left on the floor. So they got an idea.

(43:04):
He put up some motion lights. So one night, eleven o'clock,
I don't remember exactly the time. It was late, motion
light goes off. Now, from his house to the first
row hut is about thirty yards, so the light goes
off and there's little beeping things going off. So it's

(43:25):
going off, and so he's heading out there with his
phone with his light and using it for a flashlight,
and he hears a bunch of screaming. It's it's sasquatch,
screams off to the right. As he's running for the hunt.
And as he gets a little closer, he hears more

(43:45):
screams off to the left, and you know, and it's
it's sasquatch screaming and screaming and howling. And we find
out later they're warning the sasquatch, the young one who's

(44:08):
in the hut. When he gets to the door and
opens it, he hears screaming from inside, and it's the
juvenile sasquatch that was taking the food and it runs
right by my guy. They it brushes up against him.

(44:30):
I believe everywhere says they're very devout Christians. They're very wholesome,
wonderful people. They don't lie or bs. You know, they
wouldn't they wouldn't make any of this up because they're
as fascinated by it as I am. And they're just
like shock that they've been chosen. So he runs by
him and he could have kissed him. It literally just

(44:52):
touched him, you know, And he was screaming, bloody burden
after a was he was running out, and so that
was his family warning him that he was coming to
the hut. It was hilarious, but in that but you know,
they run the propane tanks in the winter to keep

(45:13):
the plants warm, and there's condensation all over the inside
of the huts. And I sent a picture. I don't
know if you got it, but it's a face print
of a sasquatch pressing its face up to the plastic.
It's looking to see if the humans are coming. And

(45:37):
I've got a photo of four or five heads, like
an entire family of like little juveniles, all different sizes,
but not as clear as the one I did emailed
to the But it's it's so clear. You can see
the hair follicles, you can see the eye of the eye,

(45:57):
sockets where it's blank, the beard, the nose, the lips,
the everything. You can see. It's so clear. You might
as well be standing there looking at this. Do you
have that picture?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Let me see if I can grab it here.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
It's really good.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Just remember our audience on the radio can't see it.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Yeah, well can they see it if I pull it up?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
No, because they're on the radio.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Oh I got you, I got you. But anyway, this
is what they go through on a daily, weekly basis.
They are watched, and they've made a deal with them
now where you can have X amount of food out

(46:50):
of here, and other than that, you leave us alone,
because this is how we make our money. This is
how we feed our family and other families. So this
is our operation. So you can come and take some
of it, because some of them's going to go bad. Anyways,
you can take some. And they understood that reasoning, and
since that evening they've had no other issues with food

(47:15):
disappearing that's the to me, it's the understanding you're you're
making truth with what looks like a nine foot gorilla
that wouldn't know a word of English if you said it.
But we know, we both know that they're vastly superior

(47:38):
to us and intelligence and the abilities there, the psychic
and quantums things. So they understand the logic and they
want to get along with the family. They want to
stay there and be able to steal food, take food,
and so oh yeah, that's there.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
So basically what we're looking at is like a steamed
hot window with what looks to be the face of
a of a monkey or something like that. You know,
you can see the lips, you can see the nose
pressed against the glass, the chin, you can see you know,
it's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yeah, it's you know, and I've got other photos like that,
and there's nothing. That handprint on the lower right, that
is when they're up against the plastic. They're doing this
so they're being able to look and hold the plastic away,
and so that's the handprint, and that's the kid. He

(48:47):
would and put his hand on that print. That so
that face print and that handprint are on the inside
of the hut and he's on the outside his hand
up for comparison, so that's on the inside. It's just
and this is like a day in the life for

(49:08):
this particular family. It's just for me. It's it's just fascinating,
and it shows an understanding. The willingness to get along
with somebody that you don't know very well, you can't
communicate verbally. It shows an understanding and a willingness to
get along with somebody that you don't like or don't understand,

(49:31):
or if they look weird, they look different from you,
you know, and so you know, you just think about
the racism and all all the problem we have with
race and hatred of people we don't know or understand.
And this is a great example of my other families
are the same way. They interact with them, and there's

(49:52):
just a truce. You're gonna steal stuff, if you're gonna
come peep in my windows, if you're gonna you know,
feel my dogs. Don't do that. There's just a truth
that they have. A lot of my families just have
this understanding and it's unspoken. Everybody just knows. It's just

(50:13):
like you know, Rodney King, can't we just get along.
It's it's it's such a simple concept, but it transcends
human an animal. It's like an understanding that we all
have feelings and needs, and it's and social structures we

(50:33):
have to honor and put up with. And that's how
they live their lives.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Let me let me ask you this. You know, I
find that the sasquatch encounters that I've had, thankfully, I've
never come across an aggressive one. Okay, but I do
find that their curiosity is like a house cat. They
can't help themselves. They may be a little bit timid,
maybe a little paranoid, but when somebody enters their area,

(51:02):
it is like Christmas morning for them.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Yeah. Well they get to see us humans up close
without having to sneak onto our property. We're in their neighborhood,
you know we and you know we stick trail cameras
on trees. Well, they avoid those. They can suck the
power out of the batteries just by walking by, and

(51:28):
so those batteries are dead and that camera's not going
to be working. So you can put all the cameras
that you want if I want to all just drain
your batteries. I won't even touch the camera I won't
destroy it as your property. You pray, you pay good
money for us, so, you know, so they have a
way of getting along. You know, I can take pictures
of me. Now there's some people that have photos. They

(51:49):
say I can't show them to you because I promised
I wouldn't that kind of thing. So I haven't seen
those photos. Maybe a couple, but overall. I was allowed
to take a picture as mostly of a silhouette or
it's what I'm peeking from behind a tree. But it's

(52:09):
a pretty good shot. But they after a period of time,
a good period, they may relax their defense mechanism enough
where you get a oh no, that's not real. Blurry.
It's still blurry, and the public's not going to accept it.
Be you've got a momentum that you get to keep.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
It's just one family. They've been shown the new born.
The same family has the sasquatch showing the children. They
will pose them in front of a trail camera at dawn.
They did this. I've got one of the photos. Is
pretty fascinating that the adult sasquatch was backlit by the

(52:58):
rising sun and it was coming up through the trees.
You know, it's kind of a clearing between the trees,
and the sin was coming right up and the sasquatch
were standing right between these trees, probably about twenty five
thirty yards away, and you can make out the silhouette.
It was unmistakable. But what it did was that we think,
and we don't know, but I think that it was

(53:21):
showing one of their children that they had shown them
as a baby, because what the adult sasquatch was probably
the male was standing back up to the sun coming
up and in front of it, and you can just
see a silhouette in a shadow. You can see about
a four and a half five foot tall sasquatch, obviously

(53:44):
a juvenile. You can just make it out. I was
to post it online. People are going out, that's how
crappy photo. What are you putting that on there for?
But they're sharing the family photos with my witnesses. Bye,
this is Johnny. This is the one that we showed

(54:06):
you three years ago. And now he's a strapping young boy.
He's four or five foot tall. You know, no words spoken,
but it's just an act of here's Johnny, here's our pid.
Thank you for letting us live here, or more or less.
You should be thanking us for letting you live here,

(54:27):
because we lived here before you came here. You know,
Sashbar has been on that property long before the humans
came along.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Long, Carter will give me a little bit here because
we are going to go to break At the top
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Speaker 4 (59:54):
M that letter I got from the copyright office? Yeah,
was regarding AI.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
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He's into it and we're glad to have him here. Now, Carter,

(01:02:38):
recently you received a letter from the US government.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Yeah, it was bizarre. It was a today. Actually, it
was just an email just from the copyright, you know,
because I've copywritten all my books. But it was they
were wanting me to verify that I wrote all my books,

(01:03:09):
that there was no AI in the writing of the book.
They wanted to know whose pictures were in there? Did
I take all the pictures that are in my book? Well,

(01:03:29):
I agree about the AI. I don't like. I don't
like AI for the most part for writing. I'd never
use this period for writing, even a letter or an
email or a post. I just ridiculous. But they were
wanting and they want me to prove within forty five days.

(01:03:50):
And I don't know why this came up. It was
my most recent book. But they are anti AI because
a lot of authors apparently are using AI to write
the books. So I have to prove. And so some

(01:04:11):
of my books have stories that them that were in
previous book that I upgraded or updated because I got
new information on an event. But it was just an
odd thing. But I'm kind of glad they're doing it.
But now they're doing it to me, I'm insulting because
you know, I write on all the stuff and the photos,

(01:04:32):
you know, like you know, the artwork was done by
she does computer graphic, not AI. But they want me
to explain how the photos were made of the artworks.
I've never ever had that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
That is so weird.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Yeah, yeah, I have to forge you the letter. It's
really and almost when I first read around to go,
if somebody trying to sabotage me or something, what's the deal?
Why would all of a sudden you doing this? But
I understand that all the backlash of other people. Could
you know how many times you get online every day?

(01:05:12):
It says, do you want me to write an email
for you? Push co pilot or push whatever, and it'll
write your letter for you, or do you posting for you?
That kind of stuff. I never use any of that stuff,
but that's what they were doing. I'll forward it to you,
hear it when the show's over, and you can just
read it. It's just like, that's weird. It was odd.

(01:05:35):
But they do not like people claiming to write books
using artificial intelligence. They want the book to be written,
and they have ways of the finding if you have
not written the book yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
That is so weird.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Are they doing Are they doing it to everybody or
are they doing it just to people who talk about
weird strange subjects like Bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
That I don't know. I've got to contact a couple
of offer for instanceee if they're getting the same letters,
you know, I mean, you know, the artwork on this
book My Ladies is computer graphics. I mean, you know,
she she's drawn the thing and then use computer enhancements

(01:06:33):
to make things look more real. There probably is some
ai I in there, but it's artwork. I'm not claiming
it to be mine or anything other than what it is.
It's just a photo in all materials are copyright by
me unless otherwise noted. Drawing artwork by Raven Hawk, Drawing

(01:06:56):
artwork by Savilla Irwin. So I've got the you know,
I've got it all in there, So why they're But
I think it has to be they're not just singling
me out, but authors in general, because it's getting too easy.
You could just sit down and write an entire paper

(01:07:16):
on just push a button and let copilot write it
for you, and you put your name on it, you
wrote it. I would agree with that policing that if
you're not even writing the book yourself, you're just pushing
a button unless somebody write you a two hundred and
fifty three hundred page book. And I'm sure there's probably

(01:07:38):
guys doing that. I don't know of any, But why
would they do that otherwise? You know, and I've written
six books, so it's not like, you know, they're just
not like, hmm, we better look into this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
No, yeah, it was just.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
A random thing. I think they're doing it to other
people people I know. I guarantee I can probably call
a couple of guys and they go, yeah, I got
one of those two. It's weird if you use a
lot of AI in your work, caution you to maybe
not use so much if you're a published author or

(01:08:18):
painting posting things that are allegedly from you or by you,
but are not. I don't know what they're doing. It's
just a weird it's a weird thing. Weird. When you
get this email, you'll go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I can't wait to read it. I can't, I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
It's just weird. Yeah, I'll send it to It's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
But you know what, like, I look at it two ways,
Like I can see where say, somebody who struggles to
be a writer and they and they want to use
AI to make themselves sound at least more proficient and professional. Okay,
in using it, I don't have a problem with that.
But we also have to remember that, you know, even

(01:08:59):
though AI is a to clean up the words and
make things sound a little bit more tailored, it does
take out the emotion that you were putting in there. Yeah,
it takes out the human the human love of what,
the of what you want to type into a computer.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Yeah, I see. I love telling my stories. I love
the when the people call me up or email with
a story and it's just it's heartfelt and it's real,
and I don't need any help whatsoever in translating that
to something that the public could read. It's really easy.
You know. I would never I could not imagine writing

(01:09:44):
a book usue Ai. I just can't imagine. It takes
the whole purpose of writing a book is pouring yourself out,
you know, or informing the public about things. Yeah, it
just defies logic. Guess people are doing it. Otherwise they
wouldn't be hunting and pecking looking for bad guys. I agree,

(01:10:10):
it's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Let's get to another one of your great stories that
you have. You've done a number of investigations. Have you
ever had an investigation where sasquatch was stalking someone, maybe
came close to attacking them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
No, well take that, I'll take that back. This family
that grows all that produce, they live very close to
a silver mine operation now Tech South Missouri, and there
are caves in there that have bones, all kinds of

(01:10:58):
dear and baby hogs, bones stacked up rather neatly, as
though there's a shape of some type. It's a structure.
And one of my guys found this place from a
room or he heard there was a hog farmer that

(01:11:20):
says all his baby hogs are disappearing. A lot of
them are disappearing. And somebody stumbled along with this mine,
the silver mine, and found all these bones stacked were
hog paddle and deer bones, but a lot of the
baby hog bones. Well, he went in there and something

(01:11:43):
was at the back of the cave. Huffed. Wasn't a growl,
but it was like it wasn't a berry said, It
was really loud, and it did vibrate it it bounced
off his chest. But that's the only he hauled ass
out of there, you know. But that's the only I
don't have gotten nobody on any of my properties that

(01:12:05):
have been attacked or been stalled by sasquatch. I hear
about them, but none of none of them, I don't
have any first hand knowledge of that. You know, they'd
be terrifying.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
God.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
What is the scariest sasquad story you've heard?

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Hmm? Well, I had somebody who had a dog rippedish
reds and it was it was not a big bad
rot or Doberman or anything, and that it was just
like a little mutt dog, you know, probably knee high,

(01:12:48):
and it was very very curious, and it would bark
and yell and chase after the Sasquatch wanted to play.
I mean, it was just very playful. It wasn't like growling,
snarling trying to get it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
But it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Ran into the woods after the sashquot because it heard them,
smelled them, and they heard their dog being killed. That
you know, ripped a strange the whole horrible sound of
the whole dog being killed. And they never found the
body and they never saw the dog again. So they

(01:13:30):
don't like dogs. They will make friends and pets of dogs,
but they have to keep their distance and all that.
So that's that's about the most brutal thing I've heard,
and I just don't hear much because you know, I
have some dog man encounters that I'm just now starting
to get from two of my families, and they're both

(01:13:54):
almost the same type of story. My girl operation people.
The kid was out there one afternoon, three o'clock, ruinging
some of the vegetables, getting rid of some of the
dead stuff, and just he was in the hut and
he's just standing there and a dog man broad daylight

(01:14:17):
three three thirty. He called me right freaking out, just
walked up to the h hut and it took its
claw and it was poking at the plastic and doing
this with its head, tilting its head like what is that.

(01:14:38):
It's like it was curious and he'd never seen it
or touched it. He was poking at it and just
you know, scratching it and just going that is weird.
It was fascinated by. My kid was standing there in
feet away from it. It's in he's in the hut
and this one's on the outside just playing with it.

(01:14:59):
And it looked and they looked right at each other,
and he just goes back to what he was doing,
which was playing with the plastic. And so as he
was leaving, he took his fingernail and ran it down,
made a cut and then made another cut the l cut,

(01:15:20):
so he had a flap that he cut and he
just turned around and walked away. And I had another family.
It goes through the same thing. I mean, it was weird.
And there one hundred and fifty miles away from each other.
They don't know each other, but it was the same thing.

(01:15:44):
It came to their back door and was playing with plastic.
They had plastic on their screen and it was ripping shreds.
It was just cutting it with its claws and she
was watching it from the kitchen. I don't think they
the that the dog man did not see her. She
was watching it because it was you know, it was dark.

(01:16:05):
She was in the kitchen. She was back up next
to the fridge, going, I don't know if I like
this or not. But she she called in, saying I
got photos of both of them. So that kind of
stuff kind of spooked him because they're not on a
friendly basis with these But they did not attack or
get violent or vicious or anything. They just walked away

(01:16:29):
like I'll see you later. I mean you and you
you just don't make that stuff. I mean, he called
me right effort happened to kid. He was going, you're
not gonna believe this, and he already had the pictures
there to send them to my p M and I
had to. It was just like fascinating. He was like,
now that got my attention. I was. I was a

(01:16:51):
little nervous, you know, But again, the animals are peaceful
towards the huge human And I don't know if the
sasquatch in them are friends on this particular piece of property.
I don't know if they hunt together a lot of
people say they see them hunting together. A lot of
people say they do not like one another. I'm ambivoluent.

(01:17:16):
I don't have an opinion from my folks one way
or the other. They've seen them on the property, so
I'm starting to you know, in Missouri is probably one
of the last places is starting to get routine dogman reports.
Starting to hear them in the background a little bit,
So they're here. They've probably been here a while. You know,

(01:17:38):
I've probably seen some, but I probably thought they were sasquatch,
you know, seeing a silhouette at night, backlved by the
moon and walking back and forth in the woods in
the forest, you can see them. So you never know,
really at that distance, you know, one hundred yards fifty yards,
if you're looking at a sasquatch or a dog man
or what, you don't know that far away. But it's

(01:18:00):
an upright hominid that is massive and considerably larger than
you are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
So when you have encounters like that and you hear that,
does it put as an investigator any fear into you
thinking what could be out there?

Speaker 7 (01:18:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
I mean I don't know everything. We you I mean,
you know, you and I we don't know everything is
you know, I mean if you go through the whole
paranorl tree, you know, pale whites, you know ets. You know,
several of my families see UFOs right before or right

(01:18:46):
after a sashquatch, or they'll see a sasquatch right before
or after a UFO encounter on their property. So I
do think they are play together somehow. You know sasquatch
in the UFOs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Why do you think they're tied together?

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Well, because so many people report them, you know that
they they see them. My people that have a lot
of sasquatch on their property have seen half a dozen
to a dozen UFOs over ten or twelve year period
that I've known them. Some of them were one hundred

(01:19:30):
to two hundred feet long. Some of them are small
orbs or very small crack or like satellite type things
like you know around like Bouga spheres if you know
what the Boger spheres are, those around cylindrical things that
are about the size of a basketball. And so they

(01:19:51):
see them and seeing them right before, right after and
when I was regressed the et. These are aware of
my research and they're they're aware of the Sasquatch, So

(01:20:11):
I think they're tied together. I get too many people
seeing the UFOs before, during, or after a Sasquatch. They
to just discount it, you know, are they flying here?
Are they just coming from another dimension and don't need
the use of the UFOs? But the grays perhaps do

(01:20:33):
that part. That's an ongoing growing of my experience in
that field, because I'm just getting to taste the fruits
of that. But I think they're tired. I think they're
tied together.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Your experiences with the ets as we got about three
minutes ago, Carter Bouchard is our guest. Your experiences. How
traumatizing was it for you to learn that you had
been taken?

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
It was really the very first time I found out
by accident. You know. We went to a regressionist, me
and my wife and another couple to see if we
had past lives. We all believed we had pastiline, so
we all went under one by one. I went last,
and that's what I discovered. So at that very moment,

(01:21:34):
I was reliving the trauma that I felt as seven
or eight nine year old Carter screaming, you'll get your
hands off of me. What are you doing? To me,
what are you doing to my friend? Why are you
hurting him? Well, he's bleeding, what do you do? You
know that kind of stuff. So but other than that,
it's been a really gentle relationship. I'm not traumatized by

(01:21:58):
it because I never knew what happened. I was always out.
They always came and got me while I was asleep
as a kid and later on as an adult as well.
But it's never been in a violent thing because I'm
at peace with it. Once I found out it's a
it's a peaceful knowledge that I've been taken and yoused

(01:22:24):
for breeding. That's scary. There's little carters running around Saturn,
you know. You know, I'm joking, but they did. They
took me to satr on one trip. But so you know,
it's I never had the trauma, you know, I watched
what was going on to my friend and myself. I

(01:22:45):
had some trauma at the time it was going on.
I wasn't traumatized when it when it actually was happening,
because I was out. I was taken while I was asleep.
They took me off my paper, different things as a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I don't know if you saw on X or on
any other social media today. But former Congressman Matt Gates
was actually interviewed about aliens and he was told about
the hybrid program that it is very real and that
they are, you know, taking people for hybridization. Now obviously

(01:23:27):
he didn't say the five w's and what happened there,
But I mean, I found it very interesting that he
comes out and says this. I mean, that's taken the
game to a whole new level.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
Yeah, well, they took me. The first time I was taken.
I was taken by accident because I was with my
friend Craig. We're racing our bikes and we were taken
together by accident. Because I was so close to him,
they could not take him aboard the craft and me

(01:24:00):
without demolecularizing us and then reforming this when we got
in the craft. So, uh, but they I was taken
by accident, but they said they liked what they got
when they got me, so they kept coming back for
me because I was in the in the breeding ortization.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
That like that kind of them, isn't that weird?

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
We like, we like we saw, we liked what we saw,
and so we kept coming back to take it. That
was the words pretty much word for word from the
the ets I was talking.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
To when I was under Let's hold that thought because
we got to go to break at the bottom of
the hour. Another half hour left with Carter Bouchard. You're
listening to Space Down with your host Dave Scott. All right,

(01:25:19):
we're clear. Yes, the launch is tomorrow if the weather holds.
I like how they say we're going back to the Moon.
You're not going back to the moon. You're circling the moon.
You're not going Yeah where They're not going to be
able to film what's there?

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
Yeah, right, because aliens won't let them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
I watched an interesting special today about the two Aliens,
the two Aliens, the two astronauts that saw them, and
how it affected their family, their marriages. They started drinking.
They all, all the ones that experienced the Aliens got divorced.

(01:26:12):
They went off the deep end. They started drinking heavily,
doing drugs because they couldn't cope with it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
That's apparently why Neil Armstrong backed away.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
When he got back.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
And both older and the other one, Yeah, they were
both seriously affected. Yeah, and they were playing a tape
that I've never heard. I watch all that stuff. I
never heard it, but they were.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Yeah. Armstrong apparently had an encounter as well while flying
the X fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Oh cool, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Yeah, the X fifteen encounters are incredible. There is there's
a a transcribed report of one pilot I forget his name.
He's at three hundred and fifteen thousand feet and he's
talking about this ORB that is right beside him, keeping

(01:27:19):
pace with him, and it's like, you know, and they're
asking him, well, is it is it flares? Is it
you know? Is it natural dust burning up or whatever?
He's like no, and then the thing just took off. Yeah,
you know, I love those stories.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Oh it's awesome. It's awesome, you know, and it just
fascinates me. And you know, that's that's why I'm hoping
that we actually get some knowledge from this, real knowledge,
real photos, reels, something, not just rumors tomorrow or stay tuned,

(01:28:04):
we're gonna reveal it. They keep telling you it's coming,
but it's never coming. So I hope there's something there
that we can all sink our teeth into so we
know what's going on in our universe. I just hope
there's something we can take away from it instead of
just a rumor or in the window. No, it's a

(01:28:26):
great time to be alive. I think it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Oh yeah, man, man, you know, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
I'll be seventy five this year. Is that weird?

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
You're gonna be seventy five this year?

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
God, I only thought you were in your sixties. Yeah,
oh god, I don't mean to make you sound old,
but you're only two years younger than my dad.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
No, go to your room. You're grounded.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Oh crap, isn't that crazy?

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
I don't feel it. I feel my legs a little bit,
you know, getting maybe arthritic or some kind of freezing up.
But otherwise I'm you know, diabetic, but I've got that
under control.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
And so got nice go tea too.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
Yeah, got that. You know. My wife, friends and fingers
do it and my cats so it stays groomed. But
it's just it's yeah, it's weird, you know, seventy five.
I should have been dead thirty years ago. A lot
of them should right stuff in the sixties and seventies.

(01:29:37):
But god, I should be dead, you know, me and
me and blow and quailuds. My god, there should be
nothing left with me yet here I am.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Yea, we got thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
All right, for the reason I didn't die because I
took care of all my band's business and I had
to keep my.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Shit together, right, I know that feeling.

Speaker 11 (01:30:07):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Ten seconds we are one loan super chatter tonight. It
is kittens, Caddy Whack. Thank you kittens. We appreciate you.
We're gonna get some audience questions as well.

Speaker 11 (01:30:19):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Here comes the second half of spaced Out Radio. We're
talking Bigfoot with Carter Bushard. My name is Dave Scott.
I'm a guy who chases Bigfoot, likes tin foil, and
believes is a fashion piece that you should wear to
remindered all of you.

Speaker 11 (01:30:59):
Check it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Our archives are always free on YouTube or any major
podcast network. Let's bring in Carter bou Shard. You can
check his books out on Amazon. We're talking about et
contact and Bigfoot all at the same time. Why not
why not turn the woo up to about ten on
the volume meter eight Carter, that's just fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
When you when you found out that you had been taken,
what did they show you? What did you what did
you say in your regression?

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Well? Uh, one of the most fascinating things that I
literally just found this out a year or so ago.
I was taken to Machi Peach you many times for
some reason, and they took me down underneath, and I

(01:32:00):
walked down these stairs that were underneath, and there's a
whole nother building or a whole nother area that's below
Machu Pichi. It was only discovered, so I just found
out between twenty ten in twenty twelve it was discovered

(01:32:22):
that there were stairs and like a palace in rooms
underneath Machu Pichi. Well, it was only discovered in twenty
ten to twenty twelve. It was rumored, but I'd been
down there a bunch of times. It's part of this
introduction to some spirituality. That the ets were taking me

(01:32:44):
down and I had to put my hand on this big,
big round like a post, like if you're if you're
walking up some stairs, you know, old wooden stairs, and
you've got a big balluster or a big round ball
of the in there. I would have to put my
hand on that and get the vibration and let it
soothed me and put me in a trance and calmed

(01:33:07):
me down so I would understand what I was seeing
when I went there. So that was I just found
that out a couple of years ago, that I was
under there before anybody had even discovered it. They were
taking me down there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Wow, so there might.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Be something underneath there. But the guy that actually discovered
machu Pichu never discovered anything he couldn't see. He never
explored anything other than what he could see visibly. So
you know the rocks, the palaces, and all that kind
of stuff that's up above the Macha Pichi. So but
it was rumored that there was stuff down there, but

(01:33:44):
nobody ever went. So the late twenty ten, twenty twelve,
somewhere in there, some English guy went down and discovered
that there's a whole other series of tunnels and passages
underneath Machipichu. And I'd been down there as a kid,
a child seven eight, nineteen eleven, twelve, whatever, So that one,

(01:34:06):
to me was like that gave some credence to like
the doubt in my head, like this is really happening.
It's this is the is the air force or something
putting me through this? So I think I'm a producted
and I wasn't. I mean, you run through all of
that because it's also new. But that was the thing

(01:34:26):
that really bored me, and I'm still kind of reeling
from it. You know, they took me to Saturn. I
remember sitting in the rings of Saturn and I was
watching the dust and the dirt and the chunks of
you know, rocks and meteors quoting around in the rings.
They go around planet, and I'm just sitting there. I'm going,
why am I here? Well, we want you to be

(01:34:49):
in touch with the old souls of the universe. I
thought when I heard this on the first my first progression,
thought they were going to leave me there. So I panicked, No, no, no, no, no,
I don't want to stay here. Take me home. I
don't want to. I don't want to stay here. I
don't want to be around the old people. That's what
I said. Oh my regression. I don't want to be
around the old people. I want to. I want to

(01:35:09):
I want to live. I want to be around people
I know and humans and stuff like that. So, yeah,
it was. It still bottles me that it happened, and
that they were using me for breeding purposes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
I do committed. Did they tell you how many hybrid
children you have out there?

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
They didn't, you know, And here's something. When I put
the book out, I heard from many women, some researchers.
If I mentioned a couple of names, you'd know them.
Of course, I'm not saying anything because I said I wouldn't.
But they had been taken, impregnated, the baby taken from

(01:35:59):
them at a certain age, usually about four months gestation period,
and they take them and put them in the vats that
you see on the craft or wherever they take them,
and then they grow into the human hybrids, you know.
So I had several women that dreams of being taken
out their window, floating up above the house and their

(01:36:20):
house and the street and all of this stuff. And
they have been regressed, a couple of them, and they
indeed had children by in vitro. So they came and
took them, they impregnated them, They took the fetus out
at a certain age and then grow to file size

(01:36:45):
they're being born size whatever. And then they were shown
some of them were shown the babies, and then that
was it. They never saw them again. But that happened.
It's happening. If I told you some of these people
and you go, oh my god, you're kidding, you know,
but it happens to people you wouldn't even begin to suspect.

(01:37:09):
It's just a crazy thing. It's so bizarre, you know.
And the kid I was taken with, I found it.
I had to find him. But he claims to know
nothing of it. Nothing. He doesn't know me, doesn't remember

(01:37:29):
any of our childhood memories. He remembers nothing. And the
thing is with me, a lot of my screen memories
are starting to fade. Whatever they're doing to make me forget,
I'm starting to remember now and that causes them concern
because I'm starting to remember stuff. And they told me

(01:37:52):
they're not going to fill me in on so many
questions if I get regressed again. They're only goin to
They're going to kind of monitor the amount of information
I've given because I'm a public person and I'll tell
the world, and the world's not ready to hear what
I would be telling the world. This is what they
told me when I regressed, so like I'm doing right now.

(01:38:19):
But you know, everybody in their mother seems like they've
been regressed, you know, I mean, you hear it's common
who hasn't been regressed, who hasn't been abducted? I mean,
it's it's more perfectly than you know. We just don't
know government behind it, can't say not. I bet there's

(01:38:40):
some cooperation here somehow Truman and Isahower work to deal.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
There's your next book, is that Eisenhower story? Huh, so
there's your next book, that Eisenhower story.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Yeah, I mentioned. What's his daughter's name.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
She lives here in Kansas, far eat granddaughter.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
Yeah, yeah, he's Uh, she's scoffed at by many, but
she's she's spot on with a lot of stuff. You know,
Dad made a deal with the devil. Give us some technology.
You can take our humans, just don't kill them. Do
what you want, so to speak. That you know the
cliff Notes version, him and Truman kind of had a

(01:39:20):
knowledge of what was going on apparently, so to speak. Now,
if I end up dead, well you know who killed me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
Let's get to some audience questions here. Let's start off
with Paul here. What does the DNA evidence tell us
of these creatures?

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Uh sasquatch? Yes, nothing, because the government will not allow it.
It comes back is contaminated, deer, dog bear, anything but
human or the sample gets lost. The DNA, whether Melvill

(01:40:03):
Ketchem is on the ball, or not. I'm still not
sure about that. She's been discredited so badly that she
may have hit the nail on the head somewhere because
they're sure fighting her on her they're telling her everything
she's found. So we don't have any DNA evidence that
the government will say, we have no idea what that is.

(01:40:25):
They poop put it gets lost, or it's it's it's
a it's a deer, it's a dog, it's a bear.
But we have DNA evidence. There is none that we
know of.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
It's good as Shane. Those people who lived on that farm,
how did they negotiate with the Sasquatch.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
It was just an unspoken thing, like they saw them
one day, they're peeking behind trees watching them work in
the yard, and and they start making howls and knocks
and structures, and they'll come up and make a structure
in the yard. And so there was never any It
was just an unspoken understanding that you know, you're fascinating,

(01:41:14):
you're fascinating. I want to be on the same proper,
So they just stay there. Now, the Sasquats have been
there long before the people got there. They moved there.
They've been there for hundreds or thousands of years, so
they've been on that property long for any humans. So
they this family comes along, lives, one moves away, and
another one comes, so they just i'll say, put up

(01:41:37):
with one another. But there's none of my situation witnesses
have any fear or hate toward the Sasquatch. There's been
no violence, no threats, no grumpy stuff, other than a
dog getting killed one time, because you know they just

(01:41:58):
don't like dogs. But there's no there's just an unspoken thing,
like it's a calmness. I'm interested in you. You're fascinating
and this is really cool, and you just slowly get indoctrinated.
So then they're watching you mow the yard.

Speaker 5 (01:42:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
My guy that I was telling you about with the
the grove house, they were chopping firewood. You just called
me here two three weeks ago, chopping firewood in a
place because they're out of firewood for the winter. So
he's chopping all the firewood for the upcoming win. And
he goes to this area where he's got some down

(01:42:40):
trees and underneath one of these trees is a hollered
out area. He finds ten empty peanut butter jars with
the lids on them and completely empty. These are all
peanut butter jars. They've gifted to the sashquatch because they
like peanut butter, and they've taken them and they've kept

(01:43:02):
them as mementos. They they found their stash of the
jars they'd given them over the years. So you see,
it's like a give and take thing. You know, you're different,
I'm different. Let's just see how this works out. That's
kind of it, because it's just been a gentle transition
into knowing that there's a weird creature, whether it's a

(01:43:25):
human or a sasquatch, living on the same property that
the other party's living on. And you just go by
your day and you experience certain things because you become
part of family, part of the living experience on their property.

(01:43:46):
There's no real negotiation other than when I said, don't
take my food. You know, they just said they understand
our language, you know, quit taking our food, Quit killing
our animals. Quit killing I had one lady that had
three peop deco's killed. Don't do that, those are my babies.
Quit doing that and it never happened again. So they

(01:44:08):
understand emotion and temperament when we speak, and if they
don't understand the language, which I know they do, but
if they didn't, they would understand the meaning of what
you're getting across just by your temperament. So that's how
it's all been translated to me. It just happened one day.

(01:44:30):
It became a regular routine.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Let's move on, let's go, let's go to uh in Tea. Here.
I have a question. Can sasquatch attack folks via dreams?

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
That's a good question. Now I will tell you this.
This is This is quantum. But they come to me
as I sleep at night in my dreams. I see
them the same way every time. And this happened after
twenty nineteen in the Trail of Tears in Illinois, when

(01:45:06):
I led that expedition for bfro O, I made contact
with the clan in a way I had never expected.
But long story short, they let me and my wife
know they knew where we live because I'm three hundred

(01:45:26):
and fifty miles away in Illinois leading this expedition, and
they left rocks on this log for me to find
the next day when I call my wife because I
was super excited, Oh my god, you won't believe there's
there's six rocks here. There were six people on my expedition,

(01:45:49):
and it is what it is. They were letting me
know they knew who we were, and we showed respect
for the trail of tears. So, but what happened was
when I called my wife to tell everybody o'clock morning
as I was heading back to Kansas City. He said,
what time did that happen? I said, I don't know exactly,
but I would say sometime seven thirty eight o'clock at
night because we left and went home and there was

(01:46:10):
nobody out. Because when I was leaving that expedition, it
was during COVID there was nobody anywhere. And she said, well,
when I was getting ready for bed, a blue orb
blew into our bedroom, blew around three times, did a
couple of curly cues like it was showing off, blew
into the bathroom and disappeared. That's the Sasquatch. And every

(01:46:35):
time I tell the story, I get emotion, almost getteria.
That's the Sasquatch letting me know they know who I am,
where I live, my wife, and we showed respect for
the Native Americans that died in this area that I
had picked for my expedition, and they were showing their

(01:46:58):
gratitude and entered using themselves and letting me know that
they appreciated what we did. I mean, that's just the
feeling I got from everything that happened with the ORB.
My wife's would it would show. It was just flying
around the room like showing off. It was like doing
these little rooptie loops like you know, and how does

(01:47:18):
that happen? That's not a quinki ding, you know. You know,
they left rocks letting me know that there were six
people in the expedition. There weren't that many because it
was COVID. Nobody wanted to go out. They only had
five four people plus my partner Herold, and so they
did not attack me. They have every chance to attack

(01:47:42):
me mentally or emotionally, put some horrifying thoughts in my
head at night, which they could do quite easily, but
they don't. Now, if you're a bad person, if you
want to take a shot at one, I'd be willing
to bet that, yeah, they can give you a bad
night's sleep, for sure. I would imagine. I don't know

(01:48:06):
of any but I cannot imagine that that's not a
possibility if you're not a good person.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
All right, let's get to another question. Let's go to
it's got to Paul. How prolific are the stories with
indigenous cultures.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
You talk about the relationship with the Sasquatch and the
Native Americans or yes, yeah, well you've got him up
there in BC. You know, my guy that was terrorized
by Sasquatch for about twenty years, he lives in BC.
And so they were told him and his father before

(01:48:50):
his father passed away, of the relationships with the Sasquatch,
with the indigenous people in British Columbia, going very far,
far far far north way up where you know nobody goes.
They've had relationships for centuries. And my guy heard them.

(01:49:15):
My guy that was terrorized, his father sold metal buildings
to the indigenous people in Canada when it became a
parent that the way they were trying to preserve their
foods and stuff and drying huts and stuff like that
were just not working out, uh, and they wanted something

(01:49:36):
that was more weather. So he was selling metal buildings
to indigenous tribes up along all over BC. And so
they told them all about this. They told them all
kinds of stories about seeing them and being with them,
trading with them. They told them that he's learning this

(01:49:58):
as a kid, you know, and he just go wow.
And so when he started being involved with the Sasquatch,
they had adopted him and they had chosen him to
be enlightened, whether he liked it or not. And so,
but anyway, I think that's a very good question. And
the relationships with the indigenous cultures and the white man

(01:50:23):
go hand in hand up there in British Columbia and
Canada at least for sure. You know here in North
America too, But you know, I've heard more from him
because he lived there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
I find that to answer this question is we only
got about three and a half minutes. I think there
is more to it then we can connect with because
we don't understand the culture properly. We don't understand the legends,
the stories that go along with the stories of trading

(01:50:57):
with these creatures for hundreds of years. You know, it's
a very very interesting connection that both sides have, and
if we took the time to actually study it a
little bit more, I think we'd be a lot more
ahead in our knowledge than what we have now. Let's

(01:51:18):
go to Zachariah here, Where do you usually see the
bigfoot at? At? What time of day do they come
out at.

Speaker 4 (01:51:28):
I've seen the ones that I've seen at all hours.
I mean at night, mostly because I go at night
and they do seem to hunt at night and they're
more active at night. So that's what I've seen mine.
I have not had a daylight I sighting, but I

(01:51:50):
don't need to have had other sightings, but I've seen
in the forest. And what time of day dusk or
dawn is when you will see them because they're still
hunting at those times, that'd be the best time during

(01:52:10):
the day. You know, you're lucky to see them because
they don't come out much at night because during the
day because we're out, we're we're out hunting and we're
out walking in the woods, so they try not to
be out during the day. They're in the wee hours
of the night in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
Yeah, most of my sightings have happened at dusk as well.
Let's go to Donna. Have you ever just had a
metaphysical sighting or other experience of sasquatch?

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
Yeah? Yeah, As I was saying, they come to me
when I'm sleeping or meditating and what they do. And
it's the same every time, and it's it's like I'm
in a hole looking up and there's grass, you know,

(01:53:04):
down around the hole, all around. I'm in a hole
that I am guessing is ten feet deep, and they're
looking over the edge at me. And a couple of
times they have shown me a day in the life,

(01:53:24):
like the kids playing. They're poking sticks looking for mice
or grubs or other food, or they're just laying around
like a picnic, or like any family. They're just laying
around a couple of san squats, laying on a log
or laying on the ground. The kids are playing, they're

(01:53:44):
running around. I'm shown that and they can communicate with me,
and it's a calming type. And I've seen this probably
about a half a dozen times since twenty nineteen, and
I actually just saw it two nights ago. But that

(01:54:09):
is to me, it's a metaphysical They are showing me
they know where I'm at and why I'm in a
hole and they're looking down. I just think that's where
they're at where I'm at, and you know, is there
above me intellectually.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
And on that note, Carter, we got to say good
night to you. Find Carter's books on Amazon, everybody, go
check him on out. Our three is next. You're listening
to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott. That

(01:54:50):
flew by, that flew by. I was so into what
you were saying. I lost track of time, my friend.

Speaker 4 (01:54:59):
I didn't do a funck gonna tell me because I
was looking at my clock. I was twelve fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
But yeah, that's my fault, my bad. You can lay
me on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:55:07):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Let's do this again soon.

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
Yeah, we could do the aliens, or we can. I
got all kinds of other stories, and I've got lots
of stories, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
You know, we'll do it right, all right, brother, take care.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
Good to see you again, man, good to see you.
Very envious.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
You keep that go tee tight, looking beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
I'll learned from you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Take care. God. I love Carter buschhard. He's just the best,
just the best. All right, everybody, I'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (01:59:27):
Right mhm.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Like this, I gotta recend Robin the link here because
it just wasn't.

Speaker 11 (01:59:37):
Working this one.

Speaker 12 (01:59:47):
Hopefully that one works, all right, give me two seconds,

(02:00:10):
all right, hmm, let me see here.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
All right, Robins, just having some troubles getting in here,
so just bear with me. Oh she said, there she is.

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Speaker 7 (02:02:37):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm Swamp Dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
Journey of the unn sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
Welcome to the spaced out radio Swamp Wrong One.

Speaker 13 (02:02:58):
I'm a Native American from a reservation in a Michigan.
In my younger years, me and my close friend I
would call her m decided to go back to our
roots and get some snares. And in the northern Michigan
winter there is snow and cold. This was so long ago, however,
I remember. We wanted to utilize not only the meat

(02:03:18):
for dinner, but the hide for ragalia. We decided to
go south into a swampy area that had cedar and pines.
We were looking for pathways the rabbits used to set
the snares. When we noticed a clearing that seemed to
have no snow, we both agreed to proceed towards what
we saw. People were getting creepy vibes as we approached

(02:03:40):
the site, and when I entered the circle, I saw
jars with things, and all around them. The freakiest thing
was in the middle of this was a tree, which
upon the vines, grew toward the ground. Then there in
the fork of this tree was a doll. Arms raised
the trees seemed to make a natural cove around this place.

(02:04:02):
I just wanted to get out of there. I had
extreme butterflies and wanted to bolt. I and M didn't
touch anything and proceeded home as fast as we could
through the snow without shoes. After we reached my grandparents,
we told my grandmother what had happened, and she called
our cousin, who was in the tribal police force. We

(02:04:24):
told everything to him after he showed up, and he
said he would take care of it. I tried to
forget about it, and after he retired from the force,
I decided to ask what had happened and if he
indeed saw what I and M saw. All he mentioned
was he did indeed see what we had described, also
that they emptied the jars and dismantled the site. I
wanted to know what was in the jars, and I

(02:04:46):
pushed all I could, but he would not say I
don't remember or leave it be is all he would
tell me. Call me A M is a nurse in
Virginia now and my cousin may he rest piece now
here where I live. I've experienced some weird things, but
to me, this was the one that said A bit
of fear into me when I was young. I wonder

(02:05:09):
what that doll was for, what all those jars were?

Speaker 1 (02:05:14):
Yeah, stay away from the dolls. Stay away from the dolls.
That's just creepy. Hey. Swamp Dweller has thousands of stories
for you each and every night on his channel. Make
sure you go check it on out Swamp Dweller on YouTube.
Hit subscribe. Ring that bell time for Robin.

Speaker 4 (02:05:36):
Love He swap soft where the sauntry swam. She hears
Bigfoot whisper of the wall say, through the bell of
the forest where the big foot psychic talks to Sasquatch
every day, Holy on Space down the Radioscryptic Cuban days.

Speaker 1 (02:06:03):
All right, Robin Haynes, It's always great to have you
back on spaced out Radio. How you doing, my friend?

Speaker 14 (02:06:10):
Good? Glad to be bad. I like the new background.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
Well we've been it's been here for a while.

Speaker 14 (02:06:18):
It looks different. Why does it look so different?

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
Camera angle?

Speaker 14 (02:06:23):
Maybe I don't know. It looks completely different.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
I have no idea. It's not different, I promise I know.

Speaker 14 (02:06:31):
That strange, very strange. It's different, very So. How are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
I'm all right, I'm over tired. You know, working two
jobs sucks. Not gonna lie working two jobs. But one day,
one day it'll be one.

Speaker 14 (02:06:49):
That'll be absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
That'll be nice. That'll be nice. So we talked last week. No,
last week you weren't here because you were ill, and
we had Christian McCloud kind of fill in for it. Yeah,
I want to get into with you and I've been
wanting to chat with you about this. You know, a
couple of weeks ago when you were last on, we

(02:07:11):
talked a little bit about the Patterson Gimlin film. This
is news that just is still not going away.

Speaker 14 (02:07:18):
And you know, it's surely save.

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
It is something that you know, a lot of debate
is still going on with this, and because the film
hasn't been released publicly, it's created a lot of speculation.
It has created a lot of drama, you know, because
people got to get their two cents in before we
actually see what's on there. You know, that makes the

(02:07:42):
claim that the Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film from nineteen sixty
seven is a hoax. But for many in the field
who've been doing this a long time, yourself included, you're
steadfast that this is real.

Speaker 14 (02:08:00):
D percent, No, doubt in my mind, heart or soul
for a large amount of reasons.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
What are those reasons?

Speaker 14 (02:08:15):
Well, first off, just to start out with the basics,
you could not back in nineteen sixty seven create the
suit of Patty. We did not have the capabilities. Hollywood
didn't have those capabilities. Second, there's muscle movement beneath the hair.
You are not going to get solid muscle movement in

(02:08:36):
a suit, especially not in sixty seven. They can't even
get that now without doing AI, and even then some
of it does not show muscle movement. I've been next
to these things when they walk. I've seen the muscles
flex underneath the hair, exactly like what happens with Patty.
Back then, there was not enough sightings of them for

(02:08:59):
anybody to realize that they really have no neck, that
that neck sets down into the chest. So they would
not have had that proportion correctly, nor the arms, nor
the legs, nor the breast. If they were going to
create a suit, they would make it mail because then
they would have to worry about the curvature of the breast.

(02:09:20):
There are breast on that, okay, everything about that. In
the way the muscle moved the bottom of the feet
was a key thing for me. When you watch them walk,
because they are obviously barefooted, they have a lot of
causes on the bottom of their feet. Their feet are
very tough. There's generally a lighter coloration on the bottom
of the foot than there is anywhere else. Exactly like

(02:09:43):
what Patty has. You cannot duplicate all those things. You
couldn't duplicate one of those things, let alone everything at
one time. The other thing is Bob Gimlin himself. I
don't care what anybody says. I've only he talked to
the man one time. He probably and that was years ago.
He probably wouldn't remember me. From Adam. I found him

(02:10:05):
to be excessively credible, the energy read on him which
he was not deceitful in any way, shape or for me.
He's a very kind, loving person. The amount of grief
that this man has gone through in his lifetime bringing
out that film, nobody would willingly want to do to fake. Okay,
it doesn't make sense to do it now. A couple

(02:10:28):
other things. There are people and I've seen them on
different movies where they came out and they said, yeah,
I'm the one I created the footprints, and I did this,
and I did this, and I was the one in
the suit when this came out, when Roger Patterson Bob
Gimlin put this film out, I, in my opinion, I
don't believe they ever thought for one second the amount

(02:10:49):
of hate that was coming at them. Okay, and Roger
Patterson's wife had probably no idea what was going to
come at her and her family. If I were them
back in nineteen sixty seven and my husband went out
and said, oh, look at I've filmed this and it's real.
Everybody laughing at him, everybody treating them poorly, everybody calling

(02:11:13):
them hoaxers even when they weren't. I would do anything
to get that stigma off of me, because it's going
to affect your livelihood. Where you work. People aren't going
to want to work with you, Your friends aren't going
to want to be seen with you. If I were
them in that frame of mind, I can very easily
say it would be plausible for them to turn around

(02:11:33):
and say I faked it, this person created it or whatever,
just to get the heat off them. Rather be called
a hoaxer, then people think you're crazy, because back then
nobody knew a lot about these things. I mean, years
ago you had Teddy Roosevelt, Salm Albert Osterman, Saum, but
there wasn't a lot of it. So I can see
why somebody would come forward and say, oh, yeah, I

(02:11:56):
recreated it, and then they can get their ten minutes
of fame. The reality is very different. I do not
believe for one single second that this film is hoaxed.
I've seen the Trackway film. I've held the film the
original in my hand, and I'm not you know, the

(02:12:19):
can was still sealed when I saw it, so I
did not see that one. But I've watched this film
a million times. I've mind spoke with the sasquatch there.
Patty is deceased, but I did speak with the sasquatch there.
There is literally not one single ounce of me that
says this is fake. Film is fake. I know to

(02:12:40):
my soul that it's not. I think it's awful the
way Bob's being treated. This is somebody that in spite
of the ridicule that he got, and Roger too. Unfortunately
Roger isn't with us anymore. God rest his soul. But
in spite of the criticism, they got the harassment that
they must have had, this man has stayed steadfast with
his story since it happened, regardless of how poorly he's

(02:13:03):
been treated, and he is a very kind and honest man.
They've questioned his integrity, they've questioned his ethics, his morals,
and everything about him. And I just think it's really
sad because here this person came forward and let us
know about something that at that time most people had
no idea about. He brought forth this film. Excuse me

(02:13:28):
that him and Roger took, or Roger took when he
didn't have to, at a very big expense to himself
and his family, because I don't believe for one second
that he wasn't harassed unmercifully when this happened him more Roger,
and this is the repayment he gets. You know, he's
now in the older part of his life and he's
still getting flack from this. Now I understand this movie's

(02:13:51):
coming out. I personally have not seen this movie yet.
I am not saying anything ill towards the people that
made it. Sure they have their own reason, but sensationalismselves
controversy cells and I have watched over the years as
countless people have tried to make projects about this claiming

(02:14:12):
that it's fake and they make money off of it.
But I don't see them putting theirselves on the line
the way Roger Patterson and Bomb Giblin did. And the
Sasquatch aren't gonna lie about it. They're just not. I

(02:14:34):
can't hear you, I can't hear.

Speaker 1 (02:14:40):
There. We go, sorry about that, that's all right. I
think part of the problem that people are having is
that that Roger Patterson was trying to make a Bigfoot
documentary prior to this sighting. The Bigfoot world that's been
around for a long time already knows this, but the

(02:15:03):
newbies who've been in this field for maybe the last five, eight,
ten years, the majority of them don't know that, and
they look at this as saying, wow, you know, Perronious
or whatever his name is, was wearing the suit. If
you look at the suit that he was wearing, it

(02:15:24):
looks completely different than what we are seeing that what
we are seeing with Patty. I mean, it literally looks
like a cheap, bunky suit that you would buy online
today from TIMU. That's what it looks like. But it
looks nothing like the Patty suit. So I look at

(02:15:45):
it like a lot of these people who are now
allegedly questioning the Patterson Gimlin film really haven't done their research.
And you know, I have always been hard on the BFRO,
but I do want to thank Matt Moneymaker for bringing
up that point on X, basically reminding everybody that Patterson
and Gimlin trying to make a Bigfoot film in Yakama, Washington,

(02:16:09):
not Bluff Creek, California, is completely different from what they filmed,
and they just happened to catch it.

Speaker 14 (02:16:19):
Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 9 (02:16:20):
I do.

Speaker 14 (02:16:21):
The other thing too that I want to point out
is doctor eger Worstaff, who is very renowned. He did
all kinds of tests as far as the range of
motion from where Patty walked and whether or not this
was a human, our type of human, or something else.

(02:16:43):
There was himself, and I'm sorry I cannot remember everybody
in the team that did it, but they worked on
that tirelessly and they proved without a shadow of a
doubt that the way that Paddy walked was definitely not
one of our humans. Of course, back then nobody knew
that they were human hybrids, but it was definitely not
one of our humans. But they did a complete study

(02:17:04):
that took a great amount of time, great care went
into that study to prove it if it was a fake,
which it wasn't. But if it was a fake, they
would have not gotten the results that they did. The
other thing about this costume, and I agree with you
one hundred percent, the costume that they're claiming they use
for Patty. It just looks like a cheap suit. But

(02:17:24):
I want everybody to look at the face. The face
on Patty is not what your typical sasquatch face looks like. Okay,
for back then they would have looked more thought the
Sasquatch would have looked more ape face. If you notice
with Patty, it's almost like a human that has a
mustache across here and a little bit of a goateief,

(02:17:49):
you know what I mean. It's like from here to
here is open and pure skin that is not your
typical Sasquatch face. So it only makes common sense if
they were going to manufacture a suit which there was
no capabilities at all. And I think David was you
that said even while Disney was asked about it and

(02:18:09):
said that they could not have made a suit of
that nature back in nineteen sixty seven, Coat and so
you look at the face, that is not what you
typically see a sasquatch. Now, I've seen several of them
like that. I have a photo of one at one
of the sites that I go to that has a
face just like that. No it's not Patty. Patty's deceased,

(02:18:33):
but that is not your typical sasquatch face. They would
not have known to make it that way. They would
have not have made it a female. It would have
been much easier to create a male suit. And if
you look at any other type of shows that were
done back in the late sixties, even into the seventies
and into the eighties. In fact, I don't know of

(02:18:56):
one show I've ever seen where they had a sasquatch
that was a costume, even the AI that had breasts
and was a female. Why because the male are easier
to duplicate the chest. But yet there's Patty and hers
are hanging out. So I just think there's too much evidence,

(02:19:18):
even if you want to put aside Bob Gimlin and
just look at the facts of it, look at the
photo of it, see what's happening with it, and I
think there's too many facts that show that it was real.

Speaker 1 (02:19:36):
Is it going to convince people?

Speaker 9 (02:19:40):
No?

Speaker 14 (02:19:41):
I think this has been such a divided hot topic
for literally decades. I mean not years, but decades, and
I don't think it's going to change it much. I
think we're still going to have the two camps that
are going to battle back and forth on the story,
and then you have the third camp. Was there more
to that day other than just Patty walking through there?
So now we've got three camps. And what I have

(02:20:04):
learned in this industry is nobody is going to agree
with anybody. You know, You've got your camps and that's
where they stay. You can give them proven fact. You
could give a blood test out of Patty and they'd
say it was faked. Look what they did with the
Sasquatch genome project. One hundred and thirty three samples all proven,
and they're still fighting over that. They don't let it go.

(02:20:28):
This is like a dog with a bone, and it's
very unfortunate because we lose a lot of information that
people will have that could come forward that could enlighten
us and teach us. I mean, we're all in this together.
We all want to learn, okay, every one of us.
I don't care how many experiences you have or don't have.
We can learn from each other. It's like with my

(02:20:48):
with my clients, I learn from them every session. There's
always something that they have to say that teaches me
something new while I'm teaching them, and we could be
learning from each other, but instead we're all subdivided because
there's all of these camps. You know, you have the
fight between is that a human hybrid? Is it an ape?
They don't care how many samples that were tested. They

(02:21:10):
don't care what was tested, or that different labs tested
them and all got the same thing. There's going to
be a division there. There's going to be a fight
over it. Is this film legit? Is this film legit?
They're going to fight over that. There's always going to
be something because everybody's got an opinion, and everybody is
entitled to their own opinion. But everybody's got an opinion,
and none of a matchup because everybody's going to know

(02:21:32):
what the truth is, even if it's right or wrong.
You know, I feel extremely, extremely hard that this is
a legitimate film, and I will stand by that. I've
not as much evidence as I've seen of it, and
I've seen a lot of it. Like I said, you know,
I absolutely have seen a lot of it, more than

(02:21:53):
people would realize, and I've not found one single bit
of evidence that would indicate to me that it's fake.

Speaker 1 (02:22:07):
Let's get a couple audience questions here. Sure donn is asking,
how are the samples proven.

Speaker 14 (02:22:16):
Well from the genome project? Yes, okay, we use several labs.
Everybody said, well, doctor Ketchum is the one that did
all the tests, and that's so false, it really is false.
Did she do initial testing on some of them. Yes,
but because she wanted to make sure I was part
of that project and she wanted to make sure that

(02:22:39):
the samples were done correctly, not because she thought she wasn't.
She knew she was, but she wanted proof that it
wasn't just her saying that we sent those samples to
the top labs in the country. Okay, they were washed,
they were cleaned, they were done by robotic arms, and
when they were blind stuff, meaning when those samples went

(02:23:01):
in they were supposed to be a species identification. They
were not just sent in there. They were not told
what they were. They could have come back and said
they were anything, and they all came back the same
so these were sent all over the country. It was
not just doctor Ketcham that did it. She started it
in the beginning and she wanted to make sure that

(02:23:23):
all the findings added up to the same and I mean,
there was such great care taken with this. But they
went to the top labs in the country and every
time they came back the same. And you know, everybody says, well,
why weren't they published in an academic journal. Well, they
were supposed to be, okay, but when the government comes

(02:23:43):
into those journals and shuts it down time and time again,
you're very limited. It was not that they weren't approved
for it, and we do have emails within our possession
to prove that those never came out, because there was
so much hate that came flying at doctor Ketcham in
the study, and so at that point it was just like,
what's the point nobody's listening, which is unfortunate because there's

(02:24:08):
a lot more information that would have come out that
would have really brought it home for people, But there
was just too much hate. And you get to the
point where how long do you keep fighting the fight?

Speaker 1 (02:24:20):
Robin hold on right there, We're going to go to
break here at the lot of the hour. We got
Robin Haynes for the rest of the show. Let's have
a good one, Shelley. Absolutely, this is spaced out radio
and your host's name Scott. All right, we are clear.

(02:25:01):
Hold on, Robin, I got you on mute. Here, there
you go.

Speaker 14 (02:25:06):
We expect the same backlash with this next study because
we're doing the cryptogenome study now and we'll be releasing
all the dogma stuff and as soon as it's done,
we're still waiting for it to get back from the labs.
These were all sun out to all the various labs,
but it'll be the same way. I'm sure you can

(02:25:31):
give the people the information, but you can't make them
believe it.

Speaker 11 (02:25:44):
All right, go.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
Excuse me.

Speaker 14 (02:26:01):
I think it's just sad because people that do have
experiences with these these beings, a lot of them, not everybody,
but a lot of them are afraid to come forward
because nobody wants to believe it, nobody wants to listen
to all of it, and there's so much hatred that
comes at you, and it's like cash. There's so many

(02:26:24):
people out there with experiences that we could learn so much.
People that have footage, whether it's video, or photographs or
whatever they're out there, people are too frightened to come
forward because just like with Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson,
this has been going on since sixty seven, you know,

(02:26:45):
and it's okay to question. I absolutely believe it's okay
to question whether things are real or not. That's good,
that's healthy. You don't want to just you know, swallow
the kool aid, as they say, but when you have
the amount of evidence that's been provided, and I think
people are looking at it as if it was this
day and age where it's very easy, due to AI

(02:27:08):
to fake a lot of things other than there are
certain things on AI that you know, you pick up
like they don't breathe, or they may not blink or whatever.
But I think people are looking at it like it's
an advanced film era and they forget that when that
film was done in nineteen sixty seven, there was no

(02:27:28):
advanced film. I think it was like eight or sixteen
millimeter film reel. And the reason it's clear is because
that's what it was. That clarity. Now of one of these,
you know, unless it was at a farther distance, it
might not be as blurry. But because of the frequency

(02:27:50):
and the energy they radiate, it blurs it. Sometimes you
get lucky and they don't. If there's if it's one
that doesn't use a lot of the abilities frequency has
in his high it'll come out clear.

Speaker 1 (02:28:06):
We got about two minutes here.

Speaker 14 (02:28:15):
So I don't know when that new movie's supposed to
come out. I haven't heard yet. I just know it.

Speaker 1 (02:28:21):
It hasn't had a release date or anything like that.

Speaker 14 (02:28:26):
Yeah, and I know there's another one coming out about
it because I was asked to be a part of
it and I declined, right, So I'm sure there's going
to be more. I think. You know, it's not a
good topic for the Sasquatch. There's a few of them,
you know that think Kylie of Patty and say she

(02:28:46):
was kind. But for the most part, you know, they
are not happy about it, the attention that she brought
on them, and they ended up more hunted than ever.
So where everybody's all excited about it, and our people
are arguing, is it real? Isn't not real? Their people
just want it to go away. They got readed out

(02:29:07):
by it. You know, that film announced to the world
that they were there, them living in the shadows, was
no longer an option.

Speaker 1 (02:29:19):
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Speaker 14 (02:30:53):
I wanted to tell you one more thing in the
Patterson and Gimlin movie. Sure, and I the other day,
I don't watch any of the Sasquatch shows other than
Flash of Beauty. I love Flash of Beauty, but I
don't watch a lot of that stuff. But I was
watching a different movie and it popped up and it

(02:31:14):
was an interview with Bob Gimmlin years ago, and it
was he was doing a polygraph, I mean some kind
of a polygraph test and just pointing out he passed
it with flying colors. So something to think about.

Speaker 1 (02:31:33):
All right, let's continue on here, let's go to Nicole here, Robin,
did you sense the juvenile Sasquatch that Patty is walking towards?

Speaker 14 (02:31:45):
Absolutely? Absolutely, there was more than just the juvenile that
was over there, But yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (02:31:53):
What did you sense?

Speaker 14 (02:31:56):
Well, there was quite a bit of the klan that
we're over there, as well as children that were patties.
And you know, there's been a lot of rumors, Oh,
she was carrying a baby. I never saw evidence of.
That doesn't mean I'm right on everything, but I saw
no evidence that she had a baby on her back
or anywhere else. But she did have children in the
woods where she was walking to, and there were other

(02:32:18):
clanmates that were over there in the woods. That's why
she kept walking the way she went. She was frightened.
She was going back to her people where the Sasquatch,
a lot of them, not all, but a lot of
them labeled her a trader because she walked towards them,
alerting people that they were there. They felt she should

(02:32:38):
have walked away. She didn't because she was frightened and
she was already walking that way. She just figured she'd
go right back to her people and it would be
safe for her. But yeah, the juvenile was absolutely there.
There is a lot more of them there, not the
whole clan, but there were clan members there as well
as children.

Speaker 1 (02:32:58):
You said they let you see it. What did they
let you see? And who is they?

Speaker 14 (02:33:04):
When I you know, I've spent a lot of time
talking to Sasquatch that were there, that claimed to have
been there at the time, and this was on and
off for years, like this isn't just recently, this is
for years. And basically what I was shown was her
walking towards them, and then the others were seen. MK

(02:33:29):
Davis has come forward and said that he believes that
some were killed that day, And as much as I
would prefer that that never happened, I do believe, whether
it was that day or they went back, that there
were members of that clan that died. I don't believe.
In my personal opinion, that Roger Patterson or Bob Giblin
had anything whatsoever to do with it. From what I

(02:33:51):
was shown, I'm not even sure that they were aware
of it. I have a good idea where or why
it happened, but I have not been able to find
anything that would make me believe that Roger Patterson or
Bob Gimblin had any part of it, or maybe possibly

(02:34:12):
not even any knowledge. So but that's what I was shown.
And then they told me that they made Patty leave
the klan and she was ostracized from the klan without
the children because she had led them back to where

(02:34:33):
the people were. But that's what they have said to me.
And that was several different ones that I had mine
spoke with, and different visions that they showed me.

Speaker 1 (02:34:48):
All right, let's get to another one here. Let's go
to paramarv one theory had a juvenile big foot in
the background of that. Patty may have been trying to
distract the mister to protect them. Any chance you've been
able to confirm that similar question, But.

Speaker 14 (02:35:07):
Yeah, I don't know about it as far as where
was located in the background. What I know of it
is she was walking toward the group and there were
some like if you were to look past her into
the tree line there possibly as far as you're trying
to distract them. What I was told and as possible,

(02:35:30):
it was to distract. But what I was told and
shown was more she didn't know what to do in
the situation. Okay, she basically panicked. She wanted to go
back where she felt she was safe. She felt safe
with the Klan. I don't think that she had any
intention of trying to get anybody hurt, but I think

(02:35:51):
she didn't know what to do. According to them, Patty
had a history of being very attentive towards our humans,
and this was not the first time that she had
encountered a human and there had been problems with her before.
Now that's just what I was told. Guys, don't shoot
the messenger. I'm just telling you what I was told.

(02:36:11):
And so when this happened, the Klan was already upset,
but she headed back to them. Whether it was to
distract you know, one of the juveniles, yeah, they were
absolutely juveniles there. There was some even younger than that,
and she headed right back where the adults were. And

(02:36:32):
I don't think, in my personal opinion, I don't believe
that she was trying to distract them from anything. I
think she was more like, what do I do? Where
do I go? You know, I don't know what I'm
supposed to do in this That is not a topic
that they would have really been very familiar with back then.
And so she went right back to where her safety
net was, and that was her people. And when she

(02:36:54):
did it just backfired completely.

Speaker 1 (02:37:02):
Let's go on to another one. So, don't know, make
sure we get them all in tonight. Paramirre follow up,
didn't Doctor Jeff Melgram also say, Patty looked real.

Speaker 14 (02:37:12):
That I could not tell you. I have no idea,
absolutely have no idea on that.

Speaker 1 (02:37:21):
I couldn't tell you that answer either, could not tell
you that answer. All right, let's go to Don.

Speaker 14 (02:37:28):
Yeah, I would hate to misquote him. He's passed away
and God rest his soul, so I would not want
to even comment on that.

Speaker 1 (02:37:36):
Don is asking, just wondering, how are the samples.

Speaker 14 (02:37:38):
Proven, the samples from the Sasquatch genome project. Yes, those
were sent to the top labs in the country. These
are highly qualified labs, the best that money could buy
in our United States. Again, they were done with robotic arms.

(02:38:02):
Tests were run to make sure that there was no contamination.
If there was contamination, it would have been by somebody
on the team, somebody that had handled them and the
DNA on it. It didn't come back anybody that had
any contact with it. It was a human DNA, but

(02:38:22):
it was not for many of our people, so they
had already washed and cleaned the samples. They had robotic
arms to it. And so if the theory that was
put out afterwards that was incorrect was well, it came
back part human because our team had it. Okay, why

(02:38:42):
was that DNA ain't not matching our team? You know,
I mean it had its own DNA. So yeah, it
was absolutely there was no way that it could have
been anything other than what it was. And there are
tests that are done to make sure that there's no
contamination and those were performed.

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
Follow up from Don Robin, can you tell us what
those samples tested as or were they just unknown?

Speaker 14 (02:39:14):
On the mother's side, it was anywhere from three percent
on up human depending on the sample. On the father's
side always came back unknown, and that is because there
was nothing in any DNA database to test it against,
and it was only the father's side every time. It

(02:39:35):
was only the father's side that came back unknown, and
the mother's side had human in it. It wasn't strictly human,
but there was human in it, some samples more than others,
depending on the individual.

Speaker 1 (02:39:50):
See this is where I get confused about the creature
because if it's showing human DNA in it, Robin, wouldn't
that mean it would be more of a flesh and
blood creature than say what? Many of us suspect that
it does have some sort of supernatural ability.

Speaker 14 (02:40:12):
Not necessarily to begin with, we're all high frequency beans.
We all have abilities when we live our lives in
the third dimension. We don't access it because our frequency
is not high enough. When your frequency is high enough,
you can accessibilities. All of us. I work with people
every single day with abilities. I have abilities. These are
not any different. These are multi dimensional beans that can

(02:40:35):
go from flesh and blood to multi dimensional. Our world
is now finding out that our people can go into
a higher frequency and go in through these dimensions as well,
and more of that will come out as time goes by.
We've been pigeonholed because we've been led to believe that

(02:40:56):
all we were were three dimensional beings, the sasquatch, other cryptids.
They haven't been pigeonholed. They don't deal with our government.
We do. We've been told from the time we came
out that this is all we are. You're flesh and blood.
Biggest lie out there. That is not true. That's why
I started working with people. Are we cloaking, No, we

(02:41:20):
don't get high enough frequency for that. The government has
created things to make them cloak, but or make us cloak,
but we don't have that ability. But we do have abilities.
We have EmPATH abilities, intuitive abilities, psychic abilities, premonitions, we
can move energy, we have telekinesis, telepathy. All those are abilities.

(02:41:41):
You get those in a higher frequency, just like they do.
There's as much higher than ours. Absolutely, and there are
times that they are third dimension. And for the ones
in that clan, if the leader decides that they don't
want the clan using abilities and drawing attention to themselves
other than the mind speak, and they stay in that
third dimension, they can get hurt just as easily as

(02:42:04):
we can. But most of them choose to be exactly
what they are, which is a higher frequency being, which
is what we're supposed to be. Our bodies are a
three dimensional anchor. You know, you hear where, you hear
talk that people say that, aliens say we're a prison planet.
We're not a prison planet. Look around you. There's beautiful

(02:42:25):
things everywhere. This is not a prison. The prison is
our third dimensional bodies. We hold ourselves within the prison
because we stay in the third dimension. When you raise
your frequency and your energy, you are now in the
fourth and fifth dimension, and you can go higher than that.
It's not any different with them. They just knew the
secret before we did because they didn't have anybody keeping

(02:42:45):
them held down in the third dimension. Good answer, Yeah,
the truth usually is.

Speaker 1 (02:42:55):
It's good to Erica. I'm sure you've already answered this.
But what are the results? So that's why will we get.

Speaker 14 (02:43:01):
The results on the sasquatch. They are human hybrids, are dogmen.
Testing is not back yet. As soon as it takes
a while to get these tests on guys, we are
getting jims pulled. Everybody is hard at work. They're already
out to the labs. As soon as they get back
it will be made public. But as far as the sasquatch,

(02:43:22):
they are a human hybrid. On the mother's side, they
are part human On the father's side, it is unknown
because there was nothing that we could match that not
we because I'm not a scientist. That's above my pay grade.
But there was nothing on the father's side that was
in the DNA databases. Now the government DNA databases, I'm

(02:43:43):
quite certain that they have, and I'm sure there's a
lot of matches if I'm right on what that side is.
But as far as for the scientists to have access to,
there was nothing in it for the father's side, only
the mothers.

Speaker 1 (02:44:02):
Would it be healthy for the Sasquatch population if some
sort of disclosure on sasquatch came out.

Speaker 14 (02:44:12):
I want to say yes, but I don't know honestly,
because you know, and I'm so sorry to say this,
because we have so many beautiful, beautiful, wonderful people on
our planet, but we also have some of the worst people.
Will never let them live their lives. Everybody is hunting
them down, wanting to know and wanting to know. But
then you give them the answers and they turn on

(02:44:34):
each other and they fight death threats. As anybody that
was part of our team for the Sasquatch Genome project
are very well aware of death attempts. You know, if
they come out, are people going to leave them alone?
Probably not. They've tried. I will be honest with this,
Sasquatch try every so many years. Okay. It's like I

(02:44:56):
went silent for a long time. You couldn't find me anywhere.
I didn't talk to anybody and talk about them. I
came out in public because they wanted me to. And
when they're ready for me to quit talking about them,
then I stop. I only go on shows that they
approve of because it's their information, not mine. But I
want to say that it would help them. But people
have to realize you can't make protection laws for them

(02:45:20):
because their culture is different. It's like, how would we
make in the United States protection laws for people in
China or Ethiopia or anywhere because their world and their
culture is different. I did have at one point in time,
somebody asked me if I would please go to the
White House and file this petition to put all these

(02:45:44):
laws in place to protect them. And I said, send
me the documents that you would want me to do
that with, and I will. I got the documents and
I read it, and it broke my heart to call
these people and say I can't do this. It won't
help them. They are not going to abide by our
lives because their culture is different. They have their own laws.
They don't understand taxes, they don't understand minimum wage or

(02:46:08):
property lines. They understand territory, they understand what goes on
in their world. It's a different culture. So our laws
have no bearing on them because they don't even understand it.
The only way to protect them is let them live
their lives. Let them have their land. It was theirs
before it was ever ours to begin with. Let them live,

(02:46:31):
Let them do their thing. Quit chasing them around. If
you want to interact with them, go out, have a bonfire,
let them come to you. Quit chasing them because that's
what causes the problems. And they're not all nice, but
they're not all bad e There's much more good ones
than there are bad ones. But we are on this
planet together. Let's share it. If we want them to

(02:46:53):
be respectful of us, then we absolutely have to be
respectful of them. I've lived around these things my whole life.
I've never had a pro have I dealt with bad ones. Yeah,
in other areas I've had to help stop some of
the bad ones. In other areas, but as far as
living wherever I've lived, They've been all over my property.
Everywhere I've ever ever lived at, I've never had these problems.

(02:47:16):
They respect me, I respect them. It's pretty simple, you know,
them getting proven. They've already been proven, and nobody's going
to believe it. Everybody wants to be the one to
discover it. How about we quit trying to outdo each
other and just accept that they're there and live peacefully.
We need to learn some of their culture so that

(02:47:37):
we can understand where they're coming from. They know part
of our culture because they watch us. They call us
the silly hairless humans. But it's this back and forth,
pulling back and forth. There's no way to protect them
other than to let them have their space, let them
live their lives, which is exactly what we're trying to do.

(02:47:59):
You know, well, yeah, there are bad ones. I admit that, absolutely.
The bad ones are awful, But there's more good than bad.
Just like in our people, we're the ones running out
in the woods and harassing them. We don't get a
lot of them that are harassing us. Some yes, but
not the majority. You know, it's got to be a

(02:48:20):
mutual respect thing, and there's no laws that are going
to work. They don't understand our laws at all. Our
words don't mean the same to them.

Speaker 1 (02:48:32):
We got three minutes to go before we have to
say good night to you. Robin Haynes is our guest
tonight on Spaced Out Radio. I look at this, and
you know how much I love and adore this subject.
You know, why do we not see more viciousness from
this creature? We see a lot of docile ones, but

(02:48:54):
you hear all of these nightmares stories from New Orleans
or Texas or in the Bayou areas that they're very violent.
Why do we not hear as many of them recently?

Speaker 14 (02:49:09):
Normally the bad ones will go as far away from
us as possible, whether it's up on a mountain, deep
in the bush, whatever, because they don't want to be
around us. They don't like us. They don't like us
because we're rotten to them. So most of the bad
ones simply get out of the way. And you know
there are parts in Texas that and in every state,
not just Texas, that they do have some aggressive ones.

(02:49:29):
But I will tell you this, I've been out in
the woods with them in Texas I've had them walk
right up to me and be a foot and a
half to two foot in front of me. I don't
have any problems with them, but I am careful about
what areas I go in. But that is normal in
every single state. But you have a lot of kill
groups in Texas, and they are absolutely very well aware
of people that go out with the pure intent or

(02:49:51):
whether there's kill groups or whatever, these are hunted. They
are hunted. How would you feel as a human being
if you were hunting? You know, there was that book
about how they hundred people on the island. That's how
these poor things have to live their life every day.
We had I'm in South Carolina, you know, I'm still
building in Texas. It's not done yet. But we had

(02:50:15):
some that were right up the road from me, and
I was pulling out of my driveway and I got
mind speak, going hurry, come come, They've got guns. And
I go down there and we have this little creek
and there were guys out there with three men with
guns shooting at them, and there was one at the
back of the creek there opens up in a swamp
plan and they're back there doing whoop calls and shooting

(02:50:37):
at them. I mean shooting for what they were at
the back of the swamp. They weren't bothering anybody, They
weren't even close to them. And they're out there just
a shooting away and doing whoop calls. If you're down
there and you're doing whoop calls, you know darn well
what you're going after. We harassed them more than they
harass us. And that's why the you know, the bad

(02:50:57):
ones don't like us. We've got a bad rap, you know.
And I'm not saying that there aren't any that are
just bad, because like us, there are, but most of
the bad ones try to just stay away from us.
They don't like us, so they go up in the mountains,
they go deep into the woods as far away from
us as they possibly can.

Speaker 9 (02:51:18):
You know.

Speaker 14 (02:51:19):
It's why when people are going up in the mountains
and all of a sudden they're getting boulders thrown at them. Well,
you went up in the mountains looking for them. They
didn't come down off that mountain after you.

Speaker 1 (02:51:31):
That is true. Robin, tell everybody where they can find you.

Speaker 14 (02:51:35):
You can find me on Facebook under Robin haynes h
Y and he asks no middle initial or if you
want services, you can get hold of me on my
website at www dot paranormal dash empowerment dot com.

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}This Researcher Believes Sasquatch Are Very Real | Carter Buschardt tells us why?