This Show Will Teach You how to take proper videos of UFOs!!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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at cariboo Con dot com. Right here in the heart
of British Columbia, we are going to learn how to
look for UFOs tonight, film them, take pictures, and everything
about them. Author researcher G. O. Turner joins us from Hawaii,
where he lives in the future or in the past.

(02:49):
I guess in the past, in the past by a
couple of hours. Then in our number three swam Dweller
will join us for another spooky story, sad day in
the UFO world if you have not heard yet from
Ancient Aliens, and he's been a contributor to every news
network including Fox, CNN and many more. Nick Pope passed

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away today at the age of I believe of sixty
one years old from cancer. It's a sad story. We're
going to get to that in the UFO Report with
Grant Baker in our number three as well. So let's
get right to it. I love this guy as g O.
Turner is here to hang out with us. You might
expect to learn his advanced degrees at theoretical physics or

(03:33):
how he's an expert in geospatial relativity at high energy particles,
but he loves being a novelist. He does. Rather than
having an academic history and sciences. Geo started with a
graphic design degree. Yeah, that really led him doodling to
covers for ill illustrations, parlaying that into television production and

(03:58):
a career that lasted there over the course of time,
though he got into UFOs and for folks who are
fascinated by the stars, he doesn't want you to get
too bogged down with it. Why because he's looking to
help bridge the gap between you the ordinary citizen like
me who really doesn't know how to use their phone
properly or to actually film these things properly. He's going

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to make sure that you could read his book and
go do it for yourself. I like it. We need
more of it. Go Turner. It is always good to
have you back on spaced out Radio. How you doing, my.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Friend, Loha from the Islands.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
UFOs? The topic just will not go away? My man?
What do you think of all this going on right now?

Speaker 6 (04:44):
It's been something that has been utterly fascinating to me
since it fell back into my wheelhouse in twenty seventeen,
and I've been studying and researching and diving deep. And
now I finally think I found a way where I
can actually put my twenty plus years in television production
into use by making the evidence better.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
How did this all begin for you, this journey into UFOs.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
I was pretty agnostic about the whole thing, and I
had kind of put the subject behind me, thinking after
reading a few topics of books on the topic, that
it was just kind of settled science for me. But
then when the whole New York Times article came out,
I consider myself an open minded skeptic, and though I

(05:35):
had dismissed it previously, I decided, Okay, if there's new evidence,
I'm going to take a look and down the rabbit
hole I went.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
How have you enjoyed it? Because I know you're more
into the research aspect, You're not really into the political
side of everything, and this topic has become so political
over the last little bit.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Well, what I am glad to see is even though
there's politics involved, it is bipartisan.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Does it matter if you're left or right or whatever.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Everyone agrees that we deserve disclosure. Now whether or not
we're going to get that or not from the government, NA, do.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
You think it's going to happen.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
I.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
Would not hold my breath.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
That's why I want to do something like this where
citizen science is going to break the barrier. I think
I'm aware of a few organizations that are currently putting
together apparatus outside of the government control, and that way
we can't get censored.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
What do you think is the biggest holdback for UFOs
right now?

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Oh, probably the NHI themselves.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Define that.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
NHI non human intelligence.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I get that, But to find what you mean by
that I'm.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Kind of a firm mind that.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
There is some intention behind that is coming from above
that doesn't wish to have disclosure happen too quickly.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
So but who knows.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
We You know, if you listen to Chris bled So,
we might be all kinds of revelations in the next
year or two.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
You are someone who has written about this, You've talked
about it numerous times. You have a real passion for
this subject. What do you try to bring to people.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
I've been someone that has just been a science nerd
my whole life. I've really enjoyed just delving into physics
and all different forms of science learning all I can,
just sucking everything up like a sponge. And one of
my idols growing up is Neil de grass Tyson. I
used to really enjoy watching Cosmos and the way he

(08:15):
would take the heady concepts and boil them down into
layman's understandings. So imagine my disappointment when he just decided
to make it all about ridicule on this topic. So
I figured, if Neil isn't going to step up and
help people to understand what is possible, then I'll be
happy to do that.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I think he's upset a lot of people about that.
I really do, because I think a lot of people
look to him as kind of somebody who's going to
tell you the straight goods, and when it comes to UFOs,
his absolute denial of this subject, and you could tell
he really hasn't looked into it just by the way

(08:57):
he contradicts it is so conniving about it. I think
that's just kind of disappointed a number of people.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Yeah, there's definitely disappointment. I also, you know, who knows
what the motivation is behind that. I understand that Carl
Sagan initially was very much interested in the topic of UFOs,
but early on in his career he made this one
eighty degree switch and then just started dismissing it a
great deal as saying, you know that it settled science,

(09:29):
it's not an interesting topic, and you know, we should
focus on real science. And then I came to learn
later on through other interviews that Carl Sagan had some
very high level security clearances.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Kind of contradicts what he was saying, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Yeah, well, now I can understand why he suddenly made
a one eighty and went the other direction.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
For you, as somebody who tries to get out there
and film these craft whatever they are. How does one
tell the difference between a UFO and a satellite?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Oh, that one is not hard to do.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
So honestly, here on the in Oahu, if we want
to go and look at a gorgeous night sky, all
we have to do is head up to the north
shore on a nice clear night. You can just lay
out on the sand, no telescope or binoculars, and just
look up and you will see satellites just tracking right
across the sky in one straight line across the horizon.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Now, if you.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Ever see one of those satellites suddenly go zigzag, well that.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Might not be a satellite.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
A lot of people look to them with the speed
like sometimes you'll see satellites they all seem to be
moving the same speed. And then there's this one you
know that many people I've heard the term used as runners,
where they're just you know, running as fast as they
can across the sky, going faster than any jet. For me,
when I look at those, I often wonder, okay, is

(11:12):
it something that is Maybe it's a little bit higher
going at a different speed along the ear, it's rotation
or lower in altitude or would it be lower that
it looks faster?

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, because that way it has to go faster to
stay in orbit.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Gotcha? How often do we see that happen?

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Mostly I just see starlink satellites. They're all very consistent speed.
I haven't seen too many fast walkers out here in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
So what do you see in Hawaii?

Speaker 5 (11:50):
As of yet? I'm still very objective about the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
I have not been able to say that I have
seen anything that is of anomalous nature. I've actually got
night vision goggles that I can sit out on my
lunai and point it up at the sky and I'll
just let it record for hours on end, and then
I'll play it back at high speed and watch for
any kind of movement, and mainly I detect you know,

(12:13):
airliners and cessna's things like that.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
See. That's where I like where I live is because
we don't get a lot of air traffic here. Like
we maybe get a couple of jets a day flying over,
and usually it's either they're coming back from Asia or
going to Asia because we're part of the loop where
they start to make the loop over. And so except

(12:38):
last summer when I had the real cool opportunity to
actually watch a B one bomber fly over my house
at altitude. I believe it was probably going to Alaska,
so that was really cool. If you've never seen a
B one fly at altitude, it's really cool, very cool.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
I have had one Herewi and Hawaii just come buzz
right over. It's like straight out of Star War Wars.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Oh, they're amazing. It's one of my favorite aircraft ever,
be one Bomber. It just looks perfect, looks absolutely perfect.
So if you've never seen anything, why do you keep trying?
What's in it for you?

Speaker 6 (13:21):
I've seen sufficient enough evidence to know that there is
something definitely going on, and we've all seen the footage
shared by other podcasters where you see the five observables
in different aspects, So you know, I'm just.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Going to be patient.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
And science is actually a very slow, tedious process. You
don't usually get what you want the first time you
go out and try. However, I do love the fact
that with the Internet we can reach out and share
everything we know with all the other people out there.
So like I've taken in this skywatchers field guide and

(14:02):
I've shared it with people.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Then you went to basin with near the skinwalk.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Or ranch area, and those guys go out and right
now they're recording new footage, hopefully with this all proper
specs and everything, so that they can submit it to
the SCU, the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. So even
if I'm not seeing them, if we can get people
to set their cameras upright, then maybe they can be

(14:30):
the ones.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
And I just did my part to help out.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Scientifically speaking, there are many scientists who I've talked to
on this show who don't want the public involved in this.
They think that, you know, the news of aliens, alien abduction,
and all sorts of things are ruining the scientific study

(14:56):
of this because it takes the subject way too wou
rather than focusing on the nuts and bolts of the technologies,
the propulsion systems, the anti gravitics, and everything that goes
on in between. How do you find a balance between
the two, Because the public, especially those who make the
ultimate claims that things have happened to them myself included. Okay,

(15:20):
we're just trying to find answers for what has happened
to us, and we would love the scientist to work
with the scientific community but that community at large for
not all of it, I would say a good share
of it, but not all of it doesn't seem to
want to go down that road.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
I'm very much a nuts and bolts guy myself, so
I feel real comfortable talking about subjects of physics and
antigravitics and extended electrodynamics, all of that stuff. But eventually
the data does take you into territories where it's outside
your comfort zone. And if you are going to be

(16:03):
a person that follows the data, then you just have
to be open minded but skeptical.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
How do we prove it?

Speaker 6 (16:12):
So if it goes into the WU, it goes into
the WU, and you just gotta.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Be open to it.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
So, as a scientific guy, and this is actually great
that you're on because I get to ask you this
question as a scientific guy, then what is your thoughts
when you hear former Congressman Matt Gates come out recently
on the Benny Johnson podcast and again on WABC last

(16:41):
night with Walter M. Sterling where he has the understanding
and the ability to hear some of these stories. And
then he hears a story from a current enlisted person
still serving in the US Army who says that they're
there are fourteen bases right now in the United States

(17:04):
where they are allegedly having aliens and humans interact for
you know, going into hybridization programs. I mean, it sounds
like a scientific Hollywood movie right.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Well, I am working on another UFO science book outside
of this topic, and hybridization is a scientific factor that
I was researching. There's a Russian born geneticist named Max
Remple who came up with some really interesting research. On
his end, he was able to gain access to some

(17:46):
DNA studies where he had a control group section where
it was just basic random people from DNA.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Sites like twenty three and me and a few others.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
And then he also had people who claim that they
were abducted and they wondered if their children were you know,
somehow adjusted and his So, when you take DNA from
a mother and a father and you make a child,
all the DNA that goes into that child is from

(18:24):
either the mother or the father, pretty straightforward, unless there's
you know, the occasional random mutation, but otherwise it's pretty
much fifty to fifty. I have twin daughters and all
of the genetics and both of my kids came from
either myself or my wife. Now, these people that have

(18:48):
claimed to be abducted, according to doctor Max Marmple, their
offspring actually shows a significant number of DNA sequences that
did not come from either the mother or the father.
So that just needs to be followed up with some
peer reviewed studies and extended out.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
But that was something just happened recently.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
But that right there is a very scientific kind of
nuts and bolts way of getting to the truth.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
If if these people are being.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Hybrid as a what's the word we would use, hybridized,
then yeah, you could genetically test to see if that's
what's happening.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
How do you feel then, as somebody looking down this road,
if you hear a former politician come out and say
that somebody who was up for what was it secretary?
He was up for one secretary, oral position or or
something along that line. I apologize, I'm not as familiar

(19:49):
with American politics being Canadian.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
But you know, Matt Gates was adamant that this story
is true, that allegedly I don't know if you've heard
the story or not, so I'll fill you in. He
basically said that allegedly there are fourteen. He was told
there are fourteen bases where these human hybridization programs are
going on, saying that they have captured aliens. And he

(20:16):
went on to say, and and Timbershett kind of kind
of acknowledge this as well, that it is a true
story that allegedly they have been taking people from third
world countries, war torn countries and destitute people over here

(20:38):
to do these experimentations with these aliens, like allegedly kidnapping.
Like it's a scary story if you think about that. Geo.

Speaker 6 (20:50):
I have heard some some interesting tales about that, particularly
around like Indonesia during the tsunami event.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
And I can't remember the.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
Name of the whistleblower on that particular one, but I
came to learn later on through the Skywatchers group that
a lot of those people actually volunteered for the opportunity,
and if you were to speak to some of them,
they would tell you, hey, no, don't blow the whistle
on us.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
We're actually having a good life here. Now.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
I don't know all of this with the deep underground
military bases the dumbs, but yeah, it's definitely it's pretty wild.
It's definitely more fictional than Hollywood presents stranger than fiction.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
They say, it is a scary topic though, like even
somebody like me that's very much involved in this topic
on a daily basis, whether it's wo or talking to
scientists such as yourselves, you know, you could go down
so many different roads with this. And to hear this

(22:03):
potentially and as a journalist, to cover up my butt
saying the word allegedly this is happening, This opens up
a whole new Pandora's box that I don't think anybody's
ever thought of. I mean, look, we've all heard the
stories of people who claim to have been abducted and
women who have had alleged false pregnancies, you know, where

(22:25):
they test positive of being pregnant and their body shows
all the symptoms and then three four months later they're
showing no signs of any type of pregnancy whatsoever. We
hear that, and we've heard dozens of stories like that.
We hear about men, starting with Whitley Strieber getting the
old anal probe, which has been made fun of for

(22:46):
so many years in this subject, and you know, talking
about how they take male sperm through doing something along
the lines that you know might be a little uncomfortable
for some of us to talk about and then to
find out maybe they do that with horses.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
Yeah, they do that same thing with horses too.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Yeah, there's definitely there's something I say that when it
comes to NHI, we want to try and humanize everything
and understand things from our own point of view, because
we are human. But there's every reason to believe that
an NHI society is going to have orthogonal ways of

(23:28):
thinking compared to what we're accustomed to. I know, I
was reaching out to local university here in Hawaii trying
to bring together a student society similar to the Yale
UAP Society, and I reached out to several different departments,
including the law department, because there really should be some

(23:51):
examination about the moral you know, there needs to be
some lines drawn about what where we should not cross.
Would think that would also include shooting down people from
not here.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, that's a whole different topic because apparently we have,
according to Marco Rubio, and we'll get into that and
more and how to film UFO's people. Our guest tonight,
Go Turner. You can find his books online and you
know what his latest book is all about, how you
at home can learn to use your camera on your

(24:29):
phone properly to actually catch some of these things. I
need this help. You probably do too. Let's find out
how next. All right, we are clear your light has

(24:54):
Your light has really dipped. Yeah, it totally did. Thank
you Terry Hall in your beautiful mustache.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Hmm, I can still go more.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
M Hey that the truth t bone. I learned. The
next time I see a UFO, take my phone out.

(25:58):
Last time I tried that t B, the craft disappeared.
It's like it new. Yeah, there we are beautiful, beautiful.

(26:24):
It lights that mustache up perfectly.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
I'll probably have to do it one more time once
the sun's completely down.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
What time is it that?

Speaker 5 (26:36):
It is six thirty sunset?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
So you got about three hours sunset at six thirty yep,
I never knew.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
In Hawaii it pretty much sets at six thirty between
six to six forty five all.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Year round, really.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Just being that close to the equator.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I guess so at my house it in winter time,
it'll the sun will set on salstice around three forty five,
and then in summertime at salstice sun will set after
eleven o'clock.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, that's one thing I do.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
I used to live in Cincinnati, Ohio, and there would
be those meetings into nine pm and in the sun
still just barely there.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
How long have you lived in Hawaii?

Speaker 8 (27:37):
No?

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Almost twenty years?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Wow? All right, what are we drinking.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Coke zero?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Here? I thought it was some fancy you're gonna show
off here para Marv says, sunset at six thirty. So,
in other words, G. O. Turner owns the night before
the rest of us pretty much. What time does the

(28:23):
sun rise?

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Then right around the same time, right around six thirty,
so you get.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Twelve and twelve. Then that's kind of cool. I never knew.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
I've never been to We get rainbows almost every day.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
Is because there's always a rain there's always rain passing
by somewhere, and you can just see the rainbows all
the time.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
You get the the double rainbows.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Here, Yeah, we get We get those up where I
live too. That's that's where I love the double rainbows.
Double the luck. All right. We got about a minute
and fifteen seconds.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
So yeah, I'm working on another. I'm working on my
next one is all about non human intelligence.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Very nice, very nice, kind.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Of stretch my comfort zone.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Really pushing the woo here. Good for you.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
I'm still looking for the hard science wherever I can.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Though of course you have to, you have to. We
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Here we go go. Turner is here. You can find
all of his books on Amazon, his UFO science books

(31:19):
which get into everything from crop circles to physics vehicles,
how these crafts seem to run? G O, Welcome back.
What do we got going on here? One second? There
we go? Sorry about that, I had you muted. Hey,
good to have you back. Let's talk about UFO science

(31:42):
here for a quick second here, because it will lead
into how do we as people learn how to actually
video and take proper pictures of these things? Because I
know I need a lesson I do. The science behind
these craft to me is confusing because we hear, you know,

(32:05):
if we go back thirty four years, we hear somebody
like Ben Rich, who used to run the Lockheed Skunk Quirks,
say that we are fifty years ahead of what the
public sees. I could just imagine that. I've heard numbers
that say it's anywhere between eighty and one hundred and
fifty years now. Because technology is advanced so fast, how

(32:27):
do we know whether or not it's ours or theirs?
What gives off the clue to you.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
So material science is a big part of it. So
if you in my first book I basically break down
the difference between a NHI craft and man made one
would be basically we still build things part by part
at a time, where an NHI vehicle seems to be

(32:59):
able to create almost like being three D printed into
reality as one singular piece. So if you look at
like Bob Lazaar's sport model, like the chairs are molded
right into the floor, which is molded into the outside,
and it all seems to be made of the.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Same materials for the most part.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
So with man made stuff you're looking at rivets and
plates and assembled parts. There have been cases of recoveries
though that I've found interesting, where they were able to
unlock the saucer shape and have it come apart in
sections which they could then transport on lowboid trucks.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
But to the naked eye looking in the sky as
somebody who is amateur, as myself, for many people in
our audience, how could we tell the difference? Would we
be able to?

Speaker 6 (34:05):
Well, if they're all basically using the same principles of
some form of gravity controlled engine, then the effects will
be pretty similar. I would say the probably the trickier,
more dangerous part is from what I understand, the man

(34:28):
made craft are much more ionizing radiation, and so that
would be the hard way of finding out.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
I wouldn't want to find out that way.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well, last they come floating on down and say, hey,
do you want to come for a ride? Because that's
always fun too.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
I'm also fascinated by the ones where they say, you
know it's it's a sixty foot diameter disc on the outside,
and then you go inside and it's a football stadium.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
It's like.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
I have tried to go down that rabbit hole as well,
with curved space time to make an interior larger than
the exterior.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
In your research for this what's the strange? Would that
be the strangest story you've heard? Or are there stranger?

Speaker 6 (35:20):
Oh, there's so many bizarre stories out there. The high strangeness.
I think back to the story of Louis el Azando's
family looking out the back window and seeing a full
grown wolf standing on its hind legs and leaning against
a tree, staring.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Back at them. It's like straight out of you know,
a Warner Brothers cartoon.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh, who hasn't dealt with dog men before, thank God,
not me. But I know it's coming. I know it's coming.
It's weird, though, how you know, if you go down
the WU side of things, even looking at it from
a scientific perspective, it's weird how the WU seems to follow.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
The WU lot of people, and I wonder, I wonder
how much of the WU is intentional.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
It's like they are trying to do something bizarre just
to see how you react.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
And you know, I, you know, not to get into
my story because this isn't about me, but to use
as myself as an example here. For me, I lived
a happily boring life. Man. I liked my life prior
to all of this, I really did. I thought I

(36:41):
had it dialed in and tuned in where, you know,
the rest of my life I would be on cruise control,
working my job, you know, taking the family on vacations,
had the ATVs to go riding whenever we wanted, go camping,
do a lot of cool things. And then it hit me.
It hit me hard, and it just seems like those

(37:04):
of us who get slapped on the side of the
head with the wu Salami. Okay. It's it's almost like
whatever is controlling the phenomenon literally takes you and says, okay,
we've given you this taste. Now let's see how much
you could handle. Let's and like, I look at a

(37:26):
lot of these people who've been deemed crazy over the years,
or lunatics back in the days of the asylums and
all of that, and I wonder how many of them
were just awakened by the phenomena that they were just
talking publicly about it, and you know, because it's not
of the societal norm, they were just thrown in in

(37:46):
the you know, the shrink containers.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
I've also come to the understanding that many of the
cases that we all know about and we've heard about
it in the past, we're still not getting the whole
story because many people who experience this phenomena firsthand, they
self edit. They will try and just give you the

(38:11):
story that they think you will accept. Meanwhile, they're keeping
the really wild parts to themselves. So I know a
lot of investigators these days are asking, you know, once
they feel they have the whole story, they turn off
the cameras and then they come back and say, Okay,
now what else really happened? And that's when they find oh, yeah,

(38:31):
there's this unbelievable thing that they just didn't want.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
To share, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
And I've had that conversation with people behind the scenes too,
and they've asked me, you know, well, what happens to
you when you've been taken? I said, it always feels
like you're on that carnival ride, the gravitron where you're
laying against the back and then all of a sudden,
you feel that gravitational pull that sucks your body into

(38:57):
you know, that gross matt that they make you lie
on as you're standing up. I said, that's how it
always starts. They're like, yeah, that's not the first time
I've heard that before, And that's how it starts for me.
I mean, I remember one time go where I had
that gravitational pull, and when I kept yelling at him,
I said, I don't want to go today. I don't

(39:18):
want to go today. When I woke up, I was
about two feet two and a half feet from my
ceiling and I fell back into bed, and I woke
up my wife because when I was falling back, I
flailed my arms and cracked her right across her back,
and she's like, what happened? Well, she used it. I'm

(39:39):
going to use the polite term, what happened? Why did
you do that? But it was more a lot of
cursing and swearing, and I said, uh, honey, I think
I just got dropped back into bed, and she's like, oh,
are you okay? Like, no, no, no, that was weird. Weird.

(40:00):
But that's just the way it is for a lot
of people, though not maybe that instance Goo. But they
don't know why it's happening to them. They don't understand
what's happening. They know they're not crazy, but they're being
driven crazy by these topics. It's just it's unbelievable. It's

(40:21):
something that a science fiction writer's supposed to write.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
And for what I understand, the NHI also seem to
have their own particular sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yes, yes they do. The one that I don't get.
The one that I don't get, though, is how you
can be in a group of people and a certain
amount of those people see one thing and the other
half do not. But they see something else and the

(40:52):
other half don't see that. That's the one that's really
playing with my mind right now, because we actually had
that happen at one of our locations where I saw
there were seven of us. I saw the UFO on
the ground. The six others couldn't. And this thing was
maybe twenty yards away from us. But the six others

(41:13):
saw aliens walking through the trees. I could not.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
It's where it really gets extremely fuzzy, because evidently they
do have the ability to reach into your brain.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
And get you to perceive what they want you to perceive.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Well, I would have liked to have seen them aliens
with everybody else. I could tell you that.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
I'm aware of a case where a family was driving
on a freeway and they had one of these big
glass roofs on the top of their car, and they
looked up and they saw a giant flying saucer overhead,
and someone had the foresight to grab a camera and
start taking pictures. And they were looking around and all

(41:58):
the other people in the other no one seemed to notice.
Only they were the ones that were seeing it. And
then when they got the camera developed, it turned out
it was just a little tiny sparkle of light in
the middle of the photograph, as opposed to a giant
flying saucer.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
No kidding.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Yeah, so it's like, well, which one's real.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
About four years ago, I had an experience at one
of my Sasquatch sites. I have two Sasquatch sites that
I go to. Okay, this time, I was leaning against
the front end of my buddy's truck, and way off

(42:47):
in the distance there was like a row of trees
that kind of made like a tunnel that wasn't covered,
and way off in the distance in the sky of
those row of trees, one light appeared. I thought it
was Jupiter until it was joined by two more making

(43:07):
a perfect triangle. Okay, I get my phone out. I'm like,
this is the moment I'm actually going to get my
phone out of my pocket. I'm not going to forget
to take the picture this time. So I reach for
my phone. I don't get my phone two thirds out

(43:27):
of the way of my pocket, and the two lights
disappeared and the one faded off, the one I thought
was Jupiter faded off into the darkness.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
Yeah. See that's what I mean.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
Like the NHI for some reason doesn't want to be
recorded unless your name is Chris Bledshell.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Well, yeah, for some reason, he gets a hall pass.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Does that happen to you, Well.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
I have yet to record UAP of any kind.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Well, if you want UAP, you just got to go
to the local airport. There's all sorts of man made objects.

Speaker 8 (44:07):
There, m.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
But those are those are NAP or not not anomalist,
they're known.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
So in my situation with my phone, did I do
anything wrong? Or did I? Was I not quick enough
because I was trying to be very diligent with it,
and then they blanked out like they knew.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
Well, yeah, that we don't have any control over. But
if somebody wants to show off or they don't notice
that you notice, it would be ideal if you had
your phone already set to go and you don't make
all the most common mistakes that people make making UAP videos.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
All Right, the.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Biggest, the biggest issue sign and says currently have is well,
we don't have enough data. They say, you know, we
can't use these videos on the internet because they just
lack any substance. And that's where I realized, with my
twenty plus years in television and camera production, I can
actually make a difference and help people to Here's.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
How you actually do it.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
If you want to do it right, and you want
to document it and you want your UAP video to
be accepted by the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. This
field guide will actually walk you through how to set
up your camera and have it ready to go.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
You know what makes a good guest GEO is when
you play into the warm up to the topic, like
you did right there. That was very nice, by the way,
very nice. So take us through that. What do we
as people when we're out in the park, or we're
sitting on our patio at night, or we're in a
four looking for bigfoot? What are we doing wrong?

Speaker 6 (46:05):
So the biggest cardinal sin is to pick up your
phone and do the pinch zoom where you just pinch
in you zoom in.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
As much as you can.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
What you're doing there is if you've ever taken a
little JPEG logo that was like the size of a
postage stamp and try to blow it up, it gets
really scuzzy and fuzzy and garbage.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
And when you do a pinch.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
Zoom with your smartphone, that's what you're doing there too.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Okay, so what should we do.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
So many smartphones these days? Well, let's just start out
by saying a smartphone. Now pretty much all of them
are four K resolution smartphones, and they're just designed for
people to use on everyday basis currently for like birthday

(47:04):
parties or a day at the beach or picnics or
what have you. So all of the settings that are
in your base camera app are like all auto designed
to function for you in those kind of settings. But
if you want to document UAPs, then you actually have
to be able to turn off all those auto things

(47:27):
because those auto parts are going to mess up your
UAP footage.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
If you have auto focus on, well, a.

Speaker 6 (47:35):
UAP tends to be a you know, if you're looking
at a ball of plasma. The way auto focus works
is it tries to look for the contrast and it
will constantly pump in and out of the focus, going
blurry sharp, blurry sharp, which makes pretty invalid scientific data.
The best way to set it up is you set

(47:57):
your camera up so that has infinite focus. When you
set up your smartphone for infinite focus, basically anything over
thirty feet in front of you will be crystal sharp
and you won't get that pumping in and out action.
That's a big cardinal sin when it comes to footage.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
I'm trying to find that out on my phone as
we speak. You know that well.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Also, it's not as simple as just using your base
camera app because again, all of those apps are designed
to be very user friendly with auto things that are
all just controlled in there, and it's difficult to turn
off those functions. That's why I found a truly free

(48:42):
app called black Magic black Magic Camera, and black Magic
is a company that I.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Use in television production.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
And so the reason that this app is free is
because they want you to get used to using their app.
And there's no ads, there's no built in whatever, you
can buy extra stuff. They just want you to get
used to using their form of a graphical user interface.
So that way, when you want to go all pro,

(49:16):
you're going to think black Magic can want to buy
more of their equipment, just like I'm giving away this
book right now for free on my website because my
hope is if you find it useful and interesting, you'll
want to go and see what the other.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Books are about.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
So that's why you can trust a a company like
black Magic. You can download it for either iPhone or Android,
and with it, I walk you through in the field
guide how to set up your camera.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
So that you will have your smartphone ready to go.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
If you're ever standing in line at a coffee shop
and you look up and you see a disc up
in the sky, you can whip out that camera, hit
the black Magic app and it's already set and you
just hit record and start running.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
And the nice part.

Speaker 6 (50:10):
About it is when you've got it all set up
in black Magic, you can still use your base camera
app for all your other daily life photos, families, things
like that. You just leave the black Magic just for
when you want to record UAP and it's set to go.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Does it work for more than just UFOs? Does it work,
let's say for those of us who are going into
the forwarest looking for bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
It doesn't matter if it's NeSSI or a sasquatch, whatever.
You're going to get the footage and it's going to
be in focus. It's going to be at a high
frame rate, a high shutter speed hopefully and even better.
What the SCU requires is the metadata that comes with
your footage.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
For people who may not understand what metadata is, explain.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
That metadata is all the information that is recorded in
the background of your footage that basically provides the scientists
or engineers, here's the camera settings as they were set
during the time of recording. Here's my GPS position, so
they can look you up on the map and see

(51:21):
exactly where you were standing when you were recorded. It
can also tell elevation, audio settings, and the data bitrate
which it was all recorded, so that way you actually
have scientific objective data, which and this is a bonus thing.

(51:46):
If let's say you're standing out on a base somewhere
and you see a tic tac hovering over the middle
of the bay and you are able to get your
camera out and you're recording, if you can signal your
buddy that lives across the bay on the other side
to whip out their smartphone and start recording too, it
doesn't even matter if they have the same settings as you,

(52:08):
having two different cameras and different positions.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
A scientist at the SU will be able.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
To take the footage from the two separate cameras and
the metadata and be able to triangulate to the craft,
and then they'll be able to figure out the size
of the craft, it's distance, and it's speed, and all
of that vital information that they rarely ever get from
a typical internet video.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I never knew that, you know, you could do all
of that. I mean I shouldn't say, I mean that
sounds ignorant to me, but you know, it didn't even
cross my mind thinking the cameras, the camera on the phone.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
So much.

Speaker 6 (52:53):
I tell people our smartphone cameras would make any World
War two intelligent agent, just like you know, just over
the moon, like, oh my god, what incredible piece of technology.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
We can win the war with this. Well we have it,
it's in our pocket.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Just no one has taken the time to ever sit
down and teach people how to use it.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
That is just incredible. And and you know, it doesn't
guarantee you're going to capture anything, but it does guarantee
that it's going to give you a better opportunity.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
So yeah, if you have it set to go, when
that opportunity arises, and you remember to pull out your phone,
because most of us are going to be standing there going. Oh,
even the best of us, I understand, like Jeremy Corbell
and the rest of them have all stood and just
stared blankly before they realize I need to pull out
my camera.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Well we all have, we all have. Yeah, that is
for sure.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
How long should we record for? When we're recording as
long as it takes. Do you need at amount of time?
I would just keep going.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
I would let it run as long as you can.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
There's a lot of different factors that will help improve
the quality of things. And I walk through a step
by step through the different chapters in the field guide
why things are set up the way they are. And
then I have a walk through section that teaches you
step by step where to make those settings in the
Black Magic app.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
All right, we'll get you to hold on right there
because g O. Turner will return on Space Out Radio
number two. We'll even get some questions from all of
you out there in audience Land or UFO talk how
to film them? Next of the Mighty s OI.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Space Dout Radio with Hopes Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
All right, my friend, we are clear. I'm going to
put you in the background for a couple of minutes
to take a quick break. We've got about five minutes, okay,
all right, be right back here we go, USUA. All right,

(59:23):
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guys back up and bring go back in. We got
about a minute forty to go before we come back here.
I just want to make sure that I haven't missed
anybody in our chat room. And T Bone, thank you

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for gifting a membership. We appreciate that. All right, I
gotta wait for our audience a return from break here
two have fund g O. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
I always enjoy this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Good good.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
Only my wife wanted to chat so much about the topic.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, this is true, This is true. Mine's all right
that way. She likes more of the paranormal side of everything.
She's involved with our local museum, so that's very haunted.
So we've started up a company called Haunted one O eight,

(01:00:37):
which is trying to bring more paranormal tourism into our area.
So that that's kind of cool.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
I did have some paranormal haunting experiences back when I
was a security guard in college.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
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to our guest tonight, author G. O. Turner. He's a scientist.
He loves learning about the UFO story. But we're going

(01:02:28):
to detour here for a second because he just mentioned
something during the break. You've had some paranormal experiences a
long time ago. We got to get you to share these.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Oh okay, so yeah, I may not have ever seen
an actual UFO in my life, but I had a
period of my life when I was during my college years,
I actually worked as a night guard. I would be
a security guard from eleven PM at night till seven
in the morning, and then I would finish that job

(01:02:58):
and go to college and do my classes before crashing out.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
But one of the most unique interesting places I ever
worked as a guard is a place called Union Terminal
in Cincinnati, Ohio. Now, if anyone saw the recent Superman
movie that just came out from James Gunn, that is
the exact same building that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
They used in that movie to represent the Hall of Justice.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
It was also what was patterned after in the super
Friends cartoon back in the seventies for us old timers.
So the interesting part is I was the security guard,
the sole security.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
Guard in the middle of the night in that giant.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
Terminal building when there was no one else around and
there was no power in the building, just me and
my trusty little flashlight. So I had an occasion, and
you're supposed to get out and walk around all Union Terminal,
down through the halls in the dark and do your
little security detects keys to prove that you're making your rounds.

(01:04:08):
And I had one time where a friend of mine,
a roommate who had a trained German shepherd. He came
by and we were just kind of sitting up there
at the front desk. And part of the issue with
Union Terminal was while this museum was under construction, they
were going in and they were moving asbestos from the

(01:04:29):
old construction and there were holes that were knocked out
in the side of the building. So occasionally some homeless
person would wander in to try and find a place
to crash out for the night, and as the security guard,
my job was to go and kind of rustle feathers
and so on. So one night, while my buddy came

(01:04:49):
over with his German shepherd, we sat there and we
were just chatting together at the desk when the German
shepherd began to growl and we looked down at her
and that the dog's nose was pointing right to where
the restaurant was, directly behind us, and we're like, okay,

(01:05:10):
so obviously somebody some point snuck in and now the
dog is detecting it. So we both pull out our
flashlights and we start following the German shepherd and were
right behind her as she goes right into the restaurant
and turns the corner inside and her nose points right
towards the restroom door, and as we're standing there, we
hear the toilet flush, and we're like, okay, so we

(01:05:35):
go round, we go rushing in.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
We bang the door open, and there was literally no
one in there. Oh nice, it's like there was.

Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
That place has definitely got its haunted aspect to it,
and obviously that ghost also had a sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
That's still enough to freak you out.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
Though, Yeah, because there was no way we were looking
at the door room we heard the toilet flush, no
one came past us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I used to work in a wanted hockey rink, oh okay,
and this was It wasn't your regular sized hockey rink.
It was a training facility. So if you took a
regular sized hockey rink and shrunk it down to about
two thirds the size. And it was in a warehouse
area in my old hometown. And this warehouse area was

(01:06:29):
literally carved out of a hillside and I don't know
what the hell was buried under there way long ago,
but whatever was in that building scared the daylights out
of me. I remember one time where my cousin and
his girlfriend were with me because as I got off

(01:06:51):
work at like eleven o'clock that night, and we were
going to go out to the local bar and you know,
have a good time after that. And so so all
of a sudden, we start hearing nobody's been in the
rink but us three for about thirty minutes. And I'm
cleaning up the dressing rooms, making sure there's no tape

(01:07:12):
or beer cans or whatever, and I end up hearing
a very distinct sound. Hockey pucks on plexiglass makes a
distinct sound. Yeah, And I said to my cousin, I said,
who's out on the rink? He goes, I don't know.
I said, there's nobody in the building. So we go
out to the rink. There's not a single puck on

(01:07:34):
the rink and there is nobody there. Go check all
the doors. All the doors are locked. Yeah, that was
a night where we turned the lights off early and
got the hell out of there. Oh yeah, yeah, it's
Hauntings are cool, but they can be a little bit
creepy when things like that happen. That is for sure.

(01:07:57):
Did that ever happen again to you or is it
a one time thing?

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
No, that that was the most tell the most storytelling
kind of event. There was a few other things that
were just kind of what was that. There was a
few occasions where I would turn a corner it's where
I saw a dress go by somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
It was like, I doubt anyone's wearing a dress this
time of night.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Man. Well, let's get back to ufosh. You know you
were teaching us right beforehand, in the last half hour
about how to properly film UFOs because some of the
biggest mistakes that we make are when we are trying
to film. You know, we were not prepared for it.

(01:08:44):
We're not prepared for that action to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
You know, no one's ever taken the time to teach
people how to properly record something like this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
Yet why would you know? So, Yeah, that's what the
whole point of the book is.

Speaker 6 (01:08:58):
And the nice part is it's it's a pretty skinny,
illustrated book where you can go right through it and
learn the whole thing relatively quickly. So, for instance, like
the whole don't do the pinch zoom each phone is

(01:09:18):
a little different. And many of your phones these days
have more than one lens on them, and sometimes that
third lens is a telephoto zoom lens, And so what
you would do in that instance is there's a button
within Black Magic where you would click on the lens
and then you could tap for that magnified lens. The

(01:09:40):
difference between doing a pinch zoom and a tap to
a magnifying lens zoom a telephoto zoom is one is
enlarging the pixels, while if you switch lenses, you're actually
getting a tighter lens focus on an object that doesn't

(01:10:01):
lose any resolution. So if you're recording at regular base
zoom at four K and then you click the two
X zoom, now you're twice as close, but you're still
at four K resolution and there's more detail for the
scientists to study.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
What about people who are using older.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Model phones, Well, the resolutions on some of those are
still I mean you can still record in ten eighty,
which is still not nothing. That's still considered high definition.
It's just the settings have to be a little lower,

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the bit rates are a little slower. I actually have
in the book there's a place where you can download
my top twenty camera specs for the most popular cell
phones out there currently. So if you have the iPhone
seventeen pro X, here's all the different settings that will
maximize your use for that particular phone, or if you

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have a Pixel ten or some Samsung phones.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
I have most of those in.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
That top twenty list, and I'll update that once a
year as new phones come out, So it's.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
Just something I can update every year.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
I really just want to see more people recording better
video and then we can start submitting these things and
we can actually provide useful evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
I'll give you an example. Okay, due to the absolutely
discussingly obscene costs for cell phone plans in Canada, and
they are obscene, I haven't yet changed my phone. I'm
due for an upgrade. I haven't changed my phone for

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my thirteen plus. Okay, how would that work compared to
say an iPhone seventeen.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
Well, I do have like the iPhone fifteen settings in
that list. That's the earliest I go back. But if
you want, you can still actually go online. You can
look up your own phone and then try and see
what is its maximum quality settings that you can achieve,
so you can go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
And google those and research them yourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
We'll have to check that out.

Speaker 6 (01:12:34):
So, yeah, I would recommend downloading the top twenty list.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
And even though your phone isn't in that list.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
You can see, Oh okay, here's the different settings that
I need to look at to see how best to
maximize my footage.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Do you recommend like always rolling, because I mean battery
power comes into play then too.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
Some of the older phones will definite start to overheat,
especially when you're doing a high bit rate and footage. Yeah,
that is a limitation of the smartphone. There are a
few limitations with smartphones. Many scientists and I've spoken with
some of them, they're like, oh, smartphones, you can't really

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they want, you know, like ultra high end quality twenty
five ex A telephoto. Yeah, mega whatever rates. But yeah,
we can still do incredible amount of footage with a
four K footage at sixty frames a second and high
shutter speeds with your four K phone. But one of

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the limitations, for example, is the size of your lens
on your camera. It's much smaller than say my television
photo shooting camera. My Sony FX six, for example, has
a much larger lens space than this little small one.
So even if you get all your settings just right
in certain conditions, a up video is probably still going

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to look a little blurry. But even a blurry piece
of footage where it's a dot on the background can
still provide data. Along with that metadata information and background information.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
What about filming at night though, because it's so much
different than obviously filming during the day where you have
the natural lighting. You know, during the night, it's hard
to zoom in at things that are moving at night,
you know, outside of them looking like just little dots
in the sky. I mean, how do we change to

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get more better quality at night footage?

Speaker 6 (01:14:50):
So in that top twenty list, I have the daytime
settings and I also have the nighttime recommended settings, So
you have to dial down some of those sets at
nighttime to allow more light to come into your lens
without hopefully going too high up in the ISO settings
which would bring grain and noise into the footage. But

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I actually walked through in one of the chapters how
to make all those settings. I do recommend that if
you want to focus on doing nighttime shoots, go ahead
and practice by pulling out your phone, getting those settings
just right, and then look for an airliner flying overhead
and make your adjustments based on that to see how

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well it records.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
The other thing I.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
Want to point out too that most people don't realize
and is why they pinch zoom, is you are getting
more than likely four K footage out of your smartphone. Now,
your screen size here is not four K, so it's
really just a screen is there as a reference to
the footage you're actually getting. Once you record that footage,

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you can take it out and then you can put
it up on a four K monitor and you'll see
all the detail that isn't showing up in this just
regular cell phone monitor screen.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
You're getting more footage than what you're actually seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
The zoom quality, though, do you recommend anything for zoom quality?

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
So each phone has different zoom settings depending on their lens,
and I break down in that top twenty list here's
what this camera.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
How far can zoom in? Some can do five x,
many do just two x or three x. The other
issue is stabilization.

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
Most of us are going to pull up and we're
going to hold our phone by hand while we're doing that,
and that's going to bring in a lot of handshake
because we're human. So some cell phones have optical stabilization
where the lens will actually move in conjunction with your
hand movement, so that we'll try and keep it as

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steady as possible. Some have sensors that the sensor will
move with handshake to try and minimize it. There's a
couple different settings in Black Magic where you can make
the choices on how much stabilization you want to have,
and then if you want to go even above and

(01:17:27):
beyond that, you could go ahead and buy like one
of the DGI cell Phone stabilizing handheld units which will
attach to your phone and then it will smooth that
all out so you won't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Have the handshake.

Speaker 6 (01:17:41):
Actually have a section towards the back where if you
want to up your game, here are some different accessories
that you could buy for your phone to enhance it
even more.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
What about purchasing a gimbal, you recommend that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Yeah, that's what I mean, GI gimbal. That's one option.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
So for instance, your iPhone fifteen probably doesn't have the
optical lens stabilizer, but if you have a gimbal, you
can attach it to that and that will just smooth
it right out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Yeah, I just recently purchased a gimbal myself, and I'm
just trying to trying to look figure it out, you know,
because it does take some getting used to because you're
so used to trying to move those those uh you know,
use your arms in your hands in order to get
those angles and everything, rather than just using the gimbal
in your hand, which makes life much easier.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
I also have a there's a camera if you want
to go outside your smartphone. There's a few other additional
options in there.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
I'm trying.

Speaker 6 (01:18:45):
It's called the Dwarf three camera, and it's basically a
camera that is, it's a full stable camera, not a smartphone.
So this is a completely separate camera that you would
attach to a tripod. And it's really designed to take
deep space footage, so long exposure shots where you can

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get constellations and galaxies, nebula things like that, because it
has on it it has a wide angle lens for
viewing the whole sky or most of the sky, but
it has a telephoto zoom lens built into it as well.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
And when they built the Dwarf three, they also.

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
Included in a UAP setting so that you could tap
the UAP function and have it track an object moving
across the sky with its telephotos zoom lens, and that
particular device you can get for a reasonable five hundred
and fifty dollars or so if you wanted to go
that route.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
We have four and a half minutes to go before
we go to break at the bottom of the hour.
Author and researcher Go Turner is our guest tonight on
spaced Out Radio. What about using cameras or investing in
something like a psionics camera.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
A psionics I've vaguely heard that reference before.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
Is that like a nightscope camera.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
One? But I know people in the UFO industry who
swear by them.

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
I'm sorry you cut out for part of that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Yes, I know people. I've never used one personally. It's
almost like a monocle or oh.

Speaker 6 (01:20:29):
Okay, yeah right, and so yeah, I do have some
of the accessories I commend sorry, go ahead, I do
recommend in some of the accessories. There's even infrared cameras
that I'm recommending if you want to try and record
your UAP that way, because some UAP actually only appear

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in infrared, and so there are there are some that
are just basically uh over enhanced regular seas chips, which
is basically like my night vision scope that I use
to record the sky. It's just an over enhanced seams
chip where it's still relying mainly on optical light, but

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it's just like tuned for the night sky. But they
do make true thermal cameras that look for heat signatures,
and for those especially like hunters out there, some of
those scopes have also decent quality, not four K footage,
but you can still get like seven twenty or even

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ten eighty I footage out of those and if you're
looking at heat signatures, you're going to be able to
pick those out separate from other objects in the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
When you are out there filming. Is there a certain
time you recommend to people. We talked about night shots,
we talked about day shots, but you know it is
dusk or morning or dead at night after the sun
goes down by a couple of hours. Is there a
difference in the shooting at that point trying to look
for the objects.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
I wouldn't know about that since I have never actually
seen one myself, but I understand just discussing things with
other experiencers that around eleven minutes after three am seems
to be a call time for many experiencers I understand,
So if you.

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
Want to stay up late, maybe that might enhance your odds.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Ninety seconds ago, I want to sneak in one more question.
What about using or the help or guidance of flight
tracking radar or apps as well? Would that?

Speaker 5 (01:22:57):
Actually, yeah, there's part.

Speaker 6 (01:22:59):
I have a chapter on where to take your footage
once you record it, and one of the appsets intrigued
me is called Enigma app, and they don't have a
camera portion of their app just yet, but once they do,
I would probably lean towards using that instead of the
Black Magic, but I haven't examined it yet to be

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able to tell you if I could recommend it just yet.
But the amazing part about Enigma when they do have
their app available is it will have a heads up
display built into it where while you're up recording your thing,
if you happen to be recording a UAP that you
think is a UAP but it's flight ten twenty nine,

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it will highlight it and it will let you know
what flight it is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
That always makes it fun, because I mean, if you're
able to tell you know, and most people aren't most people,
you know, look off at the distance, they see a shiny,
bright light that looks like it's barely moving. It's because
the airplane is so far away.

Speaker 6 (01:24:05):
And just think about all those drone sidings that have
been happening in restricted airspaces. I'm sure those won't come
up on the heads up display if they're you know,
something covert.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
No, that's very true, that's very true. There have been
times where, you know, I've tried tracking aircraft that are
flying over here and they just never seem to be
on the flight radar. My feeling is they're probably military
heading up to Alaska, you know, yep, because lord knows
it ain't Canadian geese. Our Canadian geese or you know,

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are pretty low until it gets down to gets down
to flight time down. So, Geo Turner, we're taking audience
questions next on space down.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
RANGEO you're listening to space out, you know, with your
hopes Daves.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
All right, my friend, we are clear, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
Yeah, I would just the first thing I always look
for is the red and green running lights on either
end of an airliner.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
Or even drones.

Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
Though I understand some of these anomalist drones also have
been sporting red and green lights, but they aren't always
in the right place, So there's some question as to
whether or not UAP are trying to mimic our drones.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
I often wonder. I often wonder.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
It's that whole trickster element to it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Are you telling like what we saw in New Jersey?

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
I'm sorry, what was that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Are you talking like what we saw in New Jersey?

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
Yes, most definitely. I mean some of those clips I saw,
it was like the shape of the drone kept changing
as the lights.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
Were moving around. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Woa,
my drone doesn't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Very true. I have to learn how to about my
son a drone for Christmas a couple of years ago,
and a boy just right now at least doesn't seem
to really be interested in doing anything with it. So
I'm going to try and figure it figure it out
here pretty quick to see, because it would work perfectly
in a couple of spots that I have.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
It's always good to have, especially if you're out in
the woods and you like I'm just hiking around here
in Hawaii and there's so many times like ooh, I
wonder what that opening is up in the side of
that mountain.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
I wish I had my wrong with me. I could
fly up there and see it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Yeah, that would be cool. All right, we got about
three minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:27:15):
Okay, I apologize. I'm still coming off the tail end
of a cold.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Oh that's okay. Not the first time.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
We still get colds in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
I don't believe it, but we'll take your word for it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:36):
Yeah, all that stuff about not going outside with wet
hair and the cold, that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
You can have wet anything, you'll still get cold.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Here I'm thought out now. So everything's cold when the
temperature goes down, like around winter time. I'm here. We
you know, when you kind of graduate into winter here.

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So when it's you know, first starts getting to the
level of freezing, you're like, oh, that's that's kind of brisk.
And then all of a sudden, you know, it gets
to minus ten celsius minus fifteen celsius. You're like, oh,
this is cold, and it warms up a little bit
and then it gets cold again. But it gets a
little colder and you start getting used to it to
the point where all of a sudden you're like, you know,

(01:28:28):
it's minus ten minus twelve Celsius out.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
Do you ever get blizzards?

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Yeah, yeah, we had a blizzard here a couple of
weeks ago.

Speaker 6 (01:28:44):
The last time I saw a blizzard was in like
the nineteen I want to say, nineteen seventy six in Cincinnati.
It's like global warming has been happening down there ever since.
And now it's like my hometown maybe gets snow a
few times a year now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, yeah, up here, it's uh, we usually get an
accumulation for four to six feet a year, but it
comes in stage. It comes in stages though, Like it's
not all at once, like you see these giant mounds
of snow like you do on the East Coast. It's

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not like that. It comes to that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:27):
Just when I was a kid, I just thought it
was so cool that it was so wide out that
I could barely see my hands.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Yeah, those days are cool. I like those days. I
like those days. Those days are fun.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
My kids are so jealous. It's like I wish we got.

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
Snow days staying from school.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
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We're into the second half of Space Out Radio tonight.
My name is Dave Scott, g O Turner, author researchers,
scientist into the UFO phenomenon, is here with us, so
we're going to get to him right off the bat.
GEO tell everybody where they could find your books.

Speaker 6 (01:30:52):
Oh so, for the most part, the paperbacks are released wide,
so you can get it at Amazon or Barnes.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
And Nobles or Google, so on and so forth.

Speaker 6 (01:31:03):
The great part about this The Beginner's Field Guide to Skywatching,
is if you want to get it in paperback, you
can go ahead and buy it on Amazon's That way
you can have a copy in your back pocket handy
when you want it. But otherwise you could also just
download the ebook from my website for free. So I

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just want people to be able to go out and
make better videos and share them with all of us.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
So my website is a little.

Speaker 6 (01:31:31):
Best studios dot com slash ufo science.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
That's perfect. That is perfect. I do have a question
before we get to audience questions here. You've also written
a book about crop circles. Yes, what's your thoughts on
crop circles?

Speaker 8 (01:31:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Wow?

Speaker 6 (01:31:55):
So what The reason I really delved into crop circles
is because it is a physically tangible subject that can
be studied, and I could objectively look at all the
different kinds of crop circles and statistics on them, and
I worked out several different charts, and it was really

(01:32:17):
a fascinating subject. I walked into crop circles probably with
the same kind of assumptions that most people have when
you see like the galaxy crop circle, which has like
four hundred and nine circles made in one night.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
Like no way a.

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
Human built that in one night. There's just so many circles,
four hundred and nine. They're huge, and they all seem
so symmetrical and clean. So I delved right in and
I started doing all kinds of studies.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
I'll show you here, like here is a just a
quick reference chart.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
It's showing the distribution of crop circles around the world
based on country. And you'll notice here the big red block.
That's just in the United Kingdom alone, So almost half
of all crop circles are.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
Done just in the UK.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
And then I could break down all the different I
came up with a mathematical computation formula for determining how
many man hours it takes to create a particular crop
circle and broke that down, and I have it in
the book where you can see the formula and work
them out for yourself to see what's possible and what isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
That's great. Rick Nicole wants to know. Have you ever
visited any crop circle sites?

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
During the study for this, I went up to the
southern UK region around the Stonehenge and met with some
local professional crop circle makers and learned some of their
craft so I could honestly some of them are clearly
man made and they're just mind blowingly good, So that

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in and of itself is worth study.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
But then there's also my top picks.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
I have a chapter in there for the most intriguing
potentially NHI circles in there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
But what do you think the percentage is of them
being man made and them being from some other type
of technology.

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
Oh, I would have to guess. The vast majority is
man made.

Speaker 6 (01:34:38):
You can look at the statistics over the years where
you can see a real.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
Curve where it just became so.

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
Hugely popular and then now in the last decade or so,
it's kind of died off in popularity because most people
have reached the conclusion.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
That, oh, it's all man made.

Speaker 6 (01:34:58):
And if that's it's your feel of you know, if
that's what you're thinking is, then that's fine too.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
But honestly, if.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
You dive in deeper, you'll see there are some in
there that are definitely worth.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Digging around and learning more.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
For those that are not man made, what do you
think they are? Do you think they're some sort of geometry?
Do you think there's some sort of mapping.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
I do talk about in the conclusion of the book.

Speaker 6 (01:35:38):
If there's a hidden message in there.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
We're spending so much time trying to sess out what
is and isn't.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
Usually the ones with hidden messages those are actually the
man made ones. So when you have like on a
NAKI message and particularly where they use ASKI computer code, yeah,
those are those are the guys having fun with everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
But if nothing else, I do believe that the nhi
that do interact with us. They tend to do it
with a sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
What do you mean by sense of humor?

Speaker 6 (01:36:31):
It's more trickster, It's more they like having fun playing
with us of simple primates.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:36:42):
So leave everyone there scratching their head about how that
was done.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
The ones that you saw that were real, did they
affect you in any way?

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
I can't, honestly.

Speaker 6 (01:37:01):
So what I do with my UFO science books is
I present the data. I let my readers see everything
as it is presented and decide for themselves. I really
don't say, well, this one for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
Was NHI and that one wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
But I do say here are some that are the
most intriguing and most potentially NHI. For instance, there was
this I want to say Golden Ball Hill was the
name of it, but it was basically a crop circle
that was done in rape seed oil or what we

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in the States would call canola oil. And that is
a type of crop that it's very stiff green stalks
that once these yellow flowers bloom in it, you're able
to flatten it out. If you try and layer out
the crops before those flowers blue, the stalks will break

(01:38:01):
like celery. So you cannot do it until they flower.
And this particular one was done so intricately and so uniformly,
And the most stunning part about it was when you
looked at the flowers afterwards, none of the flowers were damaged.
So if you were using the typical rope and board

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method of stomping, that would crush and wreck the flowers.
And to prove that point, ten years after this particular
crop circle was formed, this same group of professional crop
circle makers that I conversed with attempted to recreate the
same crop in the same kind of field, and you

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could clearly see the wrecked flowers.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
In their version.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
It still looked symmetrical like the original, but there was
a distinct difference between the two.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Was the smell different? Was the radiation different?

Speaker 6 (01:39:04):
Some crop circles there is the understanding that microwave radiation
was used to basically steam the base of the stocks
so that they would become heated, and then the knuckles
would give out and fall over and often would burst
from the heat radiation. And some witnesses have actually said

(01:39:26):
that they've noticed that when the crop circle formed, a
light mist rising off of the crop. And there was
an interesting study done by MIT students where they attempted
to recreate by building their own microwave emitter, and they

(01:39:46):
had a lot of flawed methods to their recreation and
in the end they.

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
Didn't end up using their microwave device.

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
They still ended up relying on the ropes and boards,
and they ngratulated themselves and patted themselves on the back
for recreating a crop circle, even though they failed at
all of their experimental requirements.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Right, Nicole has another follow up question for you on that,
and that is have you followed any of the researchers
that make the three D renderings and build them.

Speaker 5 (01:40:24):
Three D renderings? Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:40:28):
Right, Yes, there's a gentleman that takes the crop circle
two dimensional image of a crop, and he does like
three D spins and believes that these can be used as.

Speaker 5 (01:40:40):
Some kind of blueprints for technical devices.

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
I did not meet with that individual to look behind
the engine to see where he was heading with that,
but yeah, that would be an interesting person.

Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
To talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
All right, let's move on to another question here. Let's
go over to Shane here, who is asking GEO, in
your opinion, what is the relationship between UFOs and sasquatch
If you think there is one.

Speaker 6 (01:41:10):
That just boils back to the high strangeness there, Dave.
It's like, so I'm working on a book for Nhi
right now, and one aspect of the whole phenomena even
doctor Nolan would talk about is how it appears that
we are kind of undergoing our own mirror test. So

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behavioral psychologists can take a nice clean mirror and they'll
put it out in the forest and they'll hide a
camera somewhere and then just study the local mammals and
wildlife then counter the mirror and determine how many mammals
are able to determine that it's their own reflection as
opposed to a rival animal, and how they react to it.

(01:41:57):
So and it really teaches us how cerebral some animals are.
Like the mirror test when performed on elephants, for example,
if you paint a little red X on the side
of the elephant and then they walk in front of
the mirror, they will not get confused, and they will
actually touch their own face, realizing it is their reflection

(01:42:20):
and not just another elephant, because they're looking for that
red ex So in some way, this high strangeness is
being presented to us as a Homo sapien mirror test.
That's my best guess in that we are being shown
something to see if we can respond to it in

(01:42:41):
a way that shows we are reached a certain level
of cerebral elevation.

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
So, how strange and how unusual? What are we seeing
that's behind the curtain?

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Somehow I get that I can appreciate debt. All right,
let's go to another question here, this one coming from
T Bone lives in British Columbia. If the UFO craft
or nuts and Bolts are the aliens flesh and blood.

Speaker 5 (01:43:16):
They could honestly be both.

Speaker 6 (01:43:21):
So if the crafts are nuts and bolts, then I
would of course lean towards probably humans.

Speaker 5 (01:43:32):
Or behind that and it's our own crew.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
But at the same time, non human intelligence could evolve
or could potentially be organically manufactured. So from I've definitely
had seen reports where potential autopsies were performed and that
some of these grays were seemed to be like For instance,

(01:44:01):
many uap are described as being built to task, so
the UAPU encounter might just be temporarily created just for
that one purpose and then brought back to whatever mothership
and repurposed for something else.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
And potentially these some grays are.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
Grown or manufactured organically to function certain ways, and their
internal organs are limited to just what is required for
that purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Let's have a follow up from t Bone here. What
in your opinion then, are the orbs.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
Even NASA has come out to say that they have
seen some cases where plasma in high altitude, you know,
like near orbit levels, They've documented plasma behaving in almost
biological organic ways where they seem to, like a meeba,

(01:45:07):
get attracted to other forms of energy and consume them.
So there's definitely even NASA realizes there's something potentially going
on there. It's possible that plasma could in its enhanced state,
form some kind of sentience, and yeah, it would be
interesting for a high energy particle physicists to potentially study

(01:45:30):
something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Do you think that orbs are some sort of space
dust or you know, like I've seen pictures of orbs
that I mean, it could be everything from rain drops
to dust particles to bugs flying around after a hatch. Okay,
what do you think the most logical explanation is for orbs,

(01:45:55):
say on the ground, Compared to orbs that are in
the sky.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
Well. I did cover like ball lightning in one of my.

Speaker 6 (01:46:05):
Books, which is an extremely rare natural phenomena. You're actually
more likely to see a UAP than you are to
see ball lightning. But outside of that, honestly, if I
could ever meet Bob Lazarre, I would like to ask
him a question about his sport model and why it

(01:46:25):
looks one way during the daytime but at nighttime is
a big glowing ball of light. What he thinks might
be the reason why they is that something where they
just dial up the brightness on it or something, and
then I've definitely heard of encounters where beings will emerge
out of these balls of light temporarily and present themselves

(01:46:49):
to experiencers. So I've also heard cases where the manted
Nhi species might potentially be plasma base, but then they
create these physical forms so that they could interact with us.

Speaker 5 (01:47:08):
So I try to keep an open mind and just
stay skeptical.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
At the same time, I just watched that new Boblazar
movie S four.

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
I did as well.

Speaker 8 (01:47:22):
I really liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
I really really liked it. It had me captivated from
start to finish. And of course, you know when you've
heard enough Bob Lazar stories over the years. Everything kind
of looks the same, but the way they got into
the detailed crap. But there was one part in there
that really really just made me sit up in my chair,

(01:47:47):
And that's when they took out the Google images of
the S four on base at Papoose Lake where they
actually pixelated it or did something with the focus or
the aperture where they changed color of it and you
actually could see the slots of the buildings on the side.

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
So that's a little bit of a misconception.

Speaker 6 (01:48:14):
What they actually had was someone got permission to fly
their plane through Area fifty one at a great range
of distance. Yes, so this pilot flew his plane for
whatever reason, he got permission to enter, but he was
seventeen miles from S four. But he also had one

(01:48:37):
of these mega Mondo lenses telephoto lenses, and he zoomed
in there and he did his best record shots of
that area, and then they were able to play with
the contrast and enhance the photos to the point where
you could just make out the edges of the hangar doors.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Yeah, that was the one that was kind of a
little bit of a reality to me, and I really
highly suggest for it costs fourteen bucks Canadian, so that's
about three dollars American. I don't know what the exchange
is right now, ten bucks America.

Speaker 5 (01:49:13):
You can rent it for ten bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Yeah, and well worth it, well worth it to check
it on out, because I think it is something that
is if you wonder about the cover up of this story,
that was a big one for me. It really was
a big one.

Speaker 6 (01:49:33):
I say, when it comes to the topic of Bob Lazar,
he's such a controversial character that it's very easy to
dismiss him as a person. Most kind of attacks that
are made against him are personal attacks, and I say,
ignore all of the stuff about Bob the person. What
did Bob say? What is the science behind what Bob

(01:49:56):
is presenting? And then see for yourself. I have a
a couple chapters of that in my first book, and
I dive pretty deep into the mechanics of element one p.
Fifteen and the engine and how it all comes together
and works. And it's interesting science there.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
I'm not saying it's I honestly I believe Bob.

Speaker 6 (01:50:22):
But like Eric Weinstein, I think some things that Bob
is presenting is to the best of his abilities.

Speaker 5 (01:50:31):
Do you think he's selling the trades might actually?

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Do you think he's telling the truth.

Speaker 6 (01:50:38):
Yes, I think he is telling the truth overall about
what happened. He's withholding some things and keeping some things
to himself, But for sure, I'm confident.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
He was there as four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
I'm more than confident now. I got to talk to
him once on my birthday a couple of years ago.
Jim goodall legendary aviation historian and he's in the Aviation
Hall of Fame for the United States. He's a good
friend of mine, and he's a good friend of Bob's
as well. And I ended up calling Jim to see

(01:51:13):
how his time after he left us in Vegas in
twenty twenty five. He was driving up to bob less ours.
So I called him up and I'm like, hey, how
was your trip to Bob's. She's like, I'm still here?
Like what, He goes, yeah, I'm still here. I said, well, Jim,
it's my birthday. I would love to say hello to Bob.
He's like, I can do that. He goes hey. He says, Hey, Bob,

(01:51:35):
it's my friend Dave from Spaced Out Radio. It's his birthday.
He'd got to chat with you. So I got about
five ten minutes on the phone with Bob. Just a pleasant,
pleasant guy. Man, pleasant guy.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
Yeah, and if you watch the documentary you'll see he's
a while, he's a smart man. He's also just an everyman.

Speaker 6 (01:51:58):
And I also found his wife to be pretty laid
back as well. So I don't I don't detect the
BS so much from from Bob.

Speaker 5 (01:52:09):
You either believe him where you don't. Bob doesn't care
one way or the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
Other that I would agree with. We got about two
minutes ago. Let's see if we can sneak in about
one or two more questions here. All right, let us
start off with PARAMIV here, GEO, are you familiar with
the rods that were reported by jose Es Camilla. They're
they're like these these rods with like fluttering feathers on them.

Speaker 5 (01:52:38):
I have never heard of that one before. That's the
first time for me.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
You have to look them up on YouTube. They they
they're absolutely weird looking. I'm sorry, is this a recent
and don't it's been going on for a number of years.
Oh okay, yeah, yeah. They just seem to be filmed
everywhere nowhere the same time. Very cool, very cool. All right,

(01:53:04):
let's finish it off with t Bone again. What do
you think of the Kumbara's UFO with Turkey. The Turkey
ufo where the disc is there, they seem to see
the two aliens inside. What's your thoughts on that video?

Speaker 6 (01:53:22):
If only they had a better camera at the time
is because yeah, that was really intriguing and you could
see the movement happening in that little window. So yeah,
I actually think back, and I mentioned this in the
Field Guide, there was this saucer that was filmed in

(01:53:44):
Costa Rica. I want to say in two thousand and six.
I might be off on the year, but this carpenter
construction worker was just in Costa Rica and he looked
over and he saw a flying saucer just across the
field from himself, and he reached he grabbed out his
razor phone, flipped it open and recorded the video. And

(01:54:05):
you see the UFO just like doing its little wobble
and then it flips over and zips out really fast.
It's a really interesting piece of footage. I'm like, oh
my god, if only that was the smartphone.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
G O Turner. Thank you for being on spaced Out
Radio tonight. What a pleasure to have you coming up
in an hour number three Swamp Dweller and UFO Max.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Great job today, buddy, Thank you. That was a lot
of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
Had a great time.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
Love it, love it. We'll do it again.

Speaker 6 (01:54:56):
Hopefully we get some videos that I can share next time.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Absolutely look forward to it. You enjoy your evening, all right,
take care.

Speaker 5 (01:55:05):
I'm a great one.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Geo Turner. Everybody, We'll be right.

Speaker 7 (01:55:08):
Back, US.

Speaker 9 (01:57:01):
USA, USUSU.

Speaker 8 (01:59:10):
All right, I am in.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
And let's bring Grantavious into this studio. How you doing, buddy?
Good brother? How you doing good? Are you feeling better?

Speaker 8 (01:59:25):
I'm getting there.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
You're looking a little pale.

Speaker 8 (01:59:28):
Yeah, it's it's just. Once I'm done with this, I'm
gonna just go steam, you know, just the that face
steamer thing for about ten minutes. Secion, bear me up
pretty good for the night.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
Well that's good. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:59:43):
How do you like your straws? I'm sorry, how'd you
like your straws?

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
I haven't picked them up yet.

Speaker 8 (01:59:51):
Come on, man, you go down.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
It was a long weekend. Everything was closed. Wow, I
gotta go tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (02:00:00):
Excuse excuses.

Speaker 1 (02:00:04):
I know, I'm a jerk. We have one minute to go.
Thank you t Bone, Thank you Mickey for the super chats.
T Bone, Thank you for gifting a membership tonight. Greatly
appreciate you. My friend Nicole says, Kryptonite has you under

(02:00:30):
the weather, you would know? Uh huh, I love her.

Speaker 8 (02:00:41):
She's awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
All right, twenty seconds fifteen. Swamp Dweller is about just
a hair under three minutes.

Speaker 10 (02:01:06):
Buddy, here we go.

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spaced Out Radio, let's head to the swamp.

Speaker 11 (02:02:31):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the un sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 11 (02:02:48):
I grew up and live and work in a small
town in northern Florida. We have a decent sized population
of Native Americans who live in the east part of
our town, though I am not sure if there's a resil.

Speaker 8 (02:03:00):
Out that way or not.

Speaker 11 (02:03:01):
We have Native American gatherings four times a year that
is open to all, so I grew up going to
them and listening to their stories. I also listen to
my grandmother tell me the same story since her first
husband told them to her. I am not super informed,
but I know enough to know skim.

Speaker 8 (02:03:18):
Walkers are the real deal.

Speaker 11 (02:03:20):
I work at a waffle house in this said town
during the night shift nine pm to seven am, and
I have experienced some weird things, to say the least,
I am currently about three hours into my shift and
to say this noise outside is strange. As an understatement,
this town is on lockdown still due to COVID and
the hurricane, so no one is out on the street,

(02:03:43):
barely any cars are on the road, and barely any
customers come in either. To set this up, my waffle
house is on the main highway. There is a few
shops across the street, a small shop to our left
and nothing to our right, just a small road and
a small empty field. Behind us is pure woods for

(02:04:03):
a good half mile before. It's a few houses, but
not many. Like I said, it's a small town. I'm
sitting outside on a smoke break right now, and there
is this sound that's coming from a small patch of
woods directly across the street, separating a few of the shops.
It sounded at first like something I could not identify,
then changed into what sounded like a person imitating a monkey,

(02:04:26):
then a person imitating a dog, barking, and back and forth,
changing every few seconds or a minute or so. Not
loud enough to sound like it was an actual animal,
but something just being quiet enough to get my attention
with it. I just went inside to help someone and
came back out. It stopped for a few minutes while
the cook was outside with me, but it started up again,

(02:04:49):
now having an odd call mixed in with it, almost
like an incredibly quiet, spaced out car alarm. It goes single, dog, bark,
monkey sound, car alarm, all sounding like a mix between
a person and an animal. Whatever is doing it is
definitely doing it to get my attention. It is raspy

(02:05:10):
and right across the street, but if there were any
of those things there, they would be much louder. I
keep thinking I am seeing things moving over there, and
the sounds are getting louder and louder and sounding more
desperate for my attention. At this point, it is just
the car alarm sound. It really does sound like a
raspy voice imitating it. If the cook were not right

(02:05:32):
around the back, I would have been freaking out much
much more. Can you guys please tell me if you
think this was a skim walker. If you guys think
it is, I am definitely transferring wample houses.

Speaker 8 (02:05:44):
I'm not even joking.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
Thank you. Swampy for another screaming story. If you want
more just like that, head on over to YouTube. Type
in swamped Weeler hit subscribe, Ring that bell. Thousands of
stories for you to listen to each and every night,
so make sure you check him on out time for
the UFO Report. The Stars to nine.

Speaker 12 (02:06:08):
Stay no shouting him scot Whens have the stores breaking
through what.

Speaker 10 (02:06:15):
It comes into view.

Speaker 12 (02:06:20):
Business Raiss sing little slowly, sou loustall is the nast

(02:06:40):
doing all that weird?

Speaker 5 (02:06:42):
Gotchall Max?

Speaker 1 (02:06:43):
Please becomes a soul? All right, UFO Max, Grant Baker,
How you doing, Buddy good Man?

Speaker 8 (02:06:56):
I just gotta say I love that song. Thank you
for making that think make me smile every time I hear.

Speaker 1 (02:07:01):
No problem, buddy, no problem. You needed a theme song,
so that's what we did. You needed a theme song.
So it's it's all good.

Speaker 8 (02:07:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
We start off with some very sad news because the
UFO world has learned that one of its best best
assets has passed away. Now, it was just over a
month ago that Nick Pope announced that he had stop
treatments that he had in a very aggressive form of

(02:07:33):
cancer and that there was just no help he had
He had succumbed to the fact that he asked people
on his X account, don't try to give me advice.
I've I've talked to all the best professionals. I'm done.
I'm done. And we found out that, unfortunately, cancer has

(02:07:56):
claimed one of the biggest stars in the ufology the
last couple of decades in Nick Pope, and it really
does leave a hole in what we do because you know,
whether you agreed with him or not, he was one
of the faces of the franchise. Okay. He was on

(02:08:18):
all the news channels, whether it was Newsmax, whether it
was it was Fox, CNN, being quoted in newspapers all
around the world, the BBC, the CBC in Canada, he
was literally everywhere being a commentator and an expert on
this field. He spoke at many many conferences. Unfortunately, we

(02:08:41):
never had a chance to get him on this show.
But it wasn't for a lack of trying. I can
tell you that, you know, just his schedule just never
seemed to make make ours. So, I mean it does
happen at times, but for people who don't know who

(02:09:01):
he is. You might have seen him on television shows
such as Ancient aliens. There are plenty of documentaries on
UFOs that he has appeared in and just read a
little bit. Nick Pope is one of the world's most
recognized voices in UFO and UAP research, best known for
his work with the United Kingdom's Ministry of Defense, serving

(02:09:22):
from nineteen eighty five to two thousand and six. Pope's
most notable role came between nineteen ninety one and nineteen
ninety four, but he was assigned to the government's UFO desk,
where he investigated hundreds of unexplained aerial sightings to assess
potential threats to national security and aviation safety. His insider
experience and analysis reading world cases, some of which remain unexplained,

(02:09:47):
has him as a leading authority on the global UFO phenomena,
and today that unfortunately has been silenced. His wife is
just heartbroken. She put out a very very very sad
tweet on x earlier today and you know, I just
feel for him. So his wife, Elizabeth says, She posts

(02:10:10):
a picture of him, of her and Nick says, my
heart is breaking. Nick passed away this afternoon at our home.
The last few weeks of his life. Even as he
suffered he managed to do a few interviews from home.
I was so lucky to have met and to have
married Nick. He was a wonderful husband. I loved him.
That's really one of the best tributes you could give

(02:10:32):
a person right there.

Speaker 8 (02:10:34):
Absolutely, Absolutely, it's a hard loss. It's hard one for
all of us to swallow.

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
It really is. And you know, and to top it
all awful with that. Just a few days ago, Edgar
Casey passed away. And I don't know if it to
Mandela effect or not, but I thought he died years ago.

Speaker 8 (02:11:06):
Which Edward Casey are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
This is he was referred to as a sleeping prophet.
I thought he died in forty five or maybe that. Yeah,
that well, they said, Edgar Casey, what the heck died?
Somebody else passed away a big name, So Edgar Edgar Casey,
the sleep Yeah he died a long time ago. Yeah,
he was born in the eighteen hundred, Yeah, eighteen seventy seven.

(02:11:32):
Never mind, there was somebody else who passed away.

Speaker 5 (02:11:35):
Oh man, Well, well.

Speaker 8 (02:11:37):
You know, getting back to you know, Pope, like you're saying,
there was a lot of people they took him. Sorry,
thank you, Jules. In our chat room. It was Ed Dames.
Ed Dames, Okay, yeah, we you know when it when
it comes to Nick, there was a lot of people
that were on the fence with him. Some liked him,
some didn't. He was vetted. I mean minute story of defense.

(02:12:01):
He's been in the field a long time, and he
used a very analytical way of looking at everything that
came across his desk, and I mean everything. There was
twelve thousand files that he when he showed up and
he had to sort through all those. I mean, the
guy Rendelsom Forrest is on his tickets of what he
had gone into and he couldn't even solve that one.

(02:12:23):
And we need someone like that, you know, we need
someone that had his analytical thinking. And there's a lot
of things where people, oh, it's birds or whatever, but
he would be like, hey, this is the proof I
got and he would do the deep dive research, and
you know, it's just it's upsetting that we lost somebody
of his caliber.

Speaker 1 (02:12:45):
To be honest with you, the one thing that I
was critical of with Nick Pope, and we'll get into
Ed Dames for the second, was here is a guy
who worked the circuit. He worked in a governmental position,
for this, and he never, in my opinion, brought that

(02:13:11):
to his you know, when he was brought in as
an analyst for Fox News or CNN or whatever, he
repeated what everybody else was saying, whether it was lou
Elisondo or Chris Mellon or whoever. And I'm like, damn it, Nick,
I want you to say what you think you're so

(02:13:33):
smart in this topic. Don't give me what Elizondo is saying.
Don't give me what Melon is saying. Don't give me
what Tom DeLong is saying. Don't give me what anybody
else will say. I want to know what Nick Pope
is thinking right now. Okay, let's have an original thought here,
you know, but that's just journalism critiquing there, Okay. I mean,

(02:13:56):
he got he got paid because he was a smart
and he was eloquent. And of course every time you
have somebody speaking in a British accent, it just sounds
so much more professional. It really does for some reason,
you know. But I mean to people who knew him,
and I've talked to a number of people who've known him,

(02:14:18):
they said that he was just the nicest guy, just
the nicest guy. He like when he would go to
a conference. He wouldn't just walk by people just to
you know, like I've seen people man at conferences and
I'm not going to name names, but they will. They
will literally ignore the public who paid for their tickets

(02:14:38):
to see to see them speak. And afterwards it's like, Okay,
I got to get out of here, otherwise I'm going
to be mobbed. I don't want that.

Speaker 8 (02:14:46):
And then.

Speaker 1 (02:14:51):
You know nothing. You can't get a photo with them,
You can't get an autograph, You can't get a picture
or even to say hello, you know, thank thank you
for what you do. Can't do that, They disappear. Nick
Pope wasn't like that from everybody who I've talked to.
He was somebody where if you walked up to him,
he would give you time. That says a lot about

(02:15:12):
a person, and.

Speaker 8 (02:15:14):
It shows all the pictures that once you get on
any kind of social media site, whichever one you guys use,
you can get on X or you know, Instagram or
Facebook and just type in Nick Pope and you'll start
seeing a lot of people. In fact, he had a
picture on there where he was with another gentleman and
they were getting rabbit ears behind it. You know, just

(02:15:36):
a very jovial, very personable person and you know present
like you're saying, where he took the time and consideration
of others and then you know it wasn't overly bolstful
about it. Like just a solid dude, Just a solid dude.

Speaker 1 (02:15:54):
Absolutely. And Ed Dames passed away a couple of weeks ago,
I said, Edgar Casey, he died in like nineteen. But
Ed Dames was somebody who was a former US Army
intelligence officer best known for his remote viewing prowess and
programs during the Cold War. As a participate in the
classification of the Project Stargate, Dames was trained in controlled

(02:16:17):
remote viewing techniques, methods said to allow individuals to perceive
distant or unseen targets using extrasensory perception or ESP, rising
to the rank of major. He later became one of
the most outspoken figures connected to the program, claiming that
remote viewing was successfully used for intelligence gathering, including tracking targets,

(02:16:39):
locating missing persons, and probing extraterrestrial activity. After leaving the military,
Dames founded the SI Tech. Ed began teaching remote viewing
to civilians while making numerous media appearances discussing future predictions,
global events, and alien presence, and he is being a
frequent guest on rape video shows documentaries, gaining both a

(02:17:02):
strong following and criticism for some of his controversial forecasts.
Despite skepticism from the scientific community, Ed Dames remained a
prominent and polarizing voice in the world of psychic phenomena,
remote viewing, and the ongoing debate over the limits of
human consciousness.

Speaker 8 (02:17:19):
Your thoughts, granted, Yeah, that's a that's another hard blow
when it comes to the remote viewing. I did a
really large deep dive in that. And so Ed Dames
actually knew Ingo Swan. So when you when you when
you start listening to people like how put Off and
all that, where they're talking about Ingo Swan and his

(02:17:42):
ability to mess with the internal sensor of a computer
that nothing, no vibration could even touch, and he was
able to alter the you know, the inputs and outputs
of that. And Ed Dames was right underneath him. I mean,
the guy went on just like you said, he went
on coast to coast a bunch of times, and you know,

(02:18:02):
he was teaching thousands of people to do this. So
and he's kind of given us a glimpse into the
other side, so to speak, of what and how this works,
especially when you know the history of how people say
this works. And you know, he was a voice to
be reckoned with. I mean being on coast to coast

(02:18:23):
over a hundred times. You know, the guy had presents
and another one it's we're losing some of our abilities
here in these people, like when when they're leaving us,
and in this particular case, you know, being somebody that's
outspoken as he was about you know, extraterrestrials, not just predictions.

(02:18:48):
But hey, this is what's around us. This is you know,
this is who we have, which I'm totally into, which
is the reason why I got into, you know, remote viewing.
I wanted to see what it was all about. And
he was also on the basically on the panel of
saying that everybody has the ability. It's just like everybody

(02:19:09):
can play basketball, just some are better than others at it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:13):
Oh I'm terrible at basketball.

Speaker 8 (02:19:16):
Oh I know me too, don't even give me a.

Speaker 1 (02:19:19):
Started, Absolutely terrible. Well, let's move on here because we
have a couple of real important topics to discuss, namely,
Matt Gates, former congressman who recently on the Benny Johnson Podcast,

(02:19:41):
and then again this past weekend with Walter m. Sterling,
who is a friend of mine in radio on WABC
at WPHT in Philadelphia, along with a network show on
the network last night, Actually, right before Walter brought me,
he had Matt Gates on about this incredibly scary story

(02:20:09):
where apparently the United States military has up to fourteen
bases Grant where they have captured aliens and they are
hybridizing them with humans. Now, there's some controversy of whether

(02:20:32):
or not these humans have volunteered for this, but there's
also according to Gates, that these people were taken allegedly
from third world countries, from war torn countries and people
who are destitute alone, not much going for them, and

(02:20:54):
they were put into these programs to try and pro
create some sort of alien in hybrid humanoid. And the
sense was that they are doing it to try and
better communicate with et species in helping humans as well

(02:21:14):
as helping communicate with those far off in the galaxy. Now,
if this story is one percent true, this is bloody scary,
and you know a lot of people will say, hey,
Dave or you guys, you're into all that weird stuff. Yeah,
we have heard about alien abductions. We have heard about

(02:21:38):
women having you know, pregnancies, you know, testing positive for
pregnancy on a pregnancy test, okay, going to their doctors,
getting it confirmed that they they're pregnant, and then three
four months later, there's no fetus in the womb. It
is gone, and there's been no nothing wrong with the woman.

(02:22:02):
She hasn't she hasn't you know, aborted it. She has
not had any sort of complications, nothing. It just vanished,
grant into thin air. We also know that for men's sperm,

(02:22:23):
this is where we go to the Whitley Strieber story,
the one we all make fun of about the anal
probing where allegedly the aliens go in you know, they
tickle the old prostate there and when the man ejaculates,
they take the sperm, and that is how they get

(02:22:46):
the female eggs. That is how they get the male sperm.
Somehow they're able to put their own DNA in there
for a hybridized child. And apparently this has been going
on for a while. In fact, the person who tip
Matt Gates off to this was a current member of
the United States Army an enlisted man, a uniformed enlisted

(02:23:09):
man is how he described him. And from that point,
this guy says, you need to put people at all
fourteen bases at once, so that way they cannot hide
any of these people or move them base to base.
What do you think about this grant?

Speaker 8 (02:23:29):
This is crazy, it is I've heard of it before though,
so there was plenty of stories going around. In fact,
I've watched interviews with certain women that had gone public
with what had happened to them, where they become unnaturally
brutal and pregnant and then they lose their baby and
then they realize that some under you know when you go.

Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
Under and you go under hypnosis for regrets.

Speaker 8 (02:23:55):
Yeah, and then that's when they find out what happened.
Some of these women actually reported that they were again
taken and brought to the ship to see their offspring
who grows unnaturally fast. It was only what nine months ago,
and now we have a six year old child sitting
in front of us, or a three year old, and
you know, they get they.

Speaker 5 (02:24:16):
Hold that thought.

Speaker 1 (02:24:17):
We're going to continue this conversation when we return on
spaced out radio.

Speaker 3 (02:24:24):
And this is spaced out radio, and your host's name stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:24:49):
All right, we're clear, dude.

Speaker 8 (02:24:56):
It's kind of weird that all these all four of
these people, we're talking about all four of them at
one shot right now, because there's a link between all
four of them, Nick ed Edgar Casey and Matt Gates. Yeah,
there's follow that rabbit trail.

Speaker 1 (02:25:12):
Crazy.

Speaker 8 (02:25:14):
Oh, it gets way. Some of this is just.

Speaker 2 (02:25:23):
Bizarre.

Speaker 8 (02:25:33):
H Hey, did you see that Joe Rogan experience Number two, four, seven, nine,
Bob Bzar.

Speaker 1 (02:25:42):
We'll get into Yeah, we'll get into that next. I
gotta get Louis back on the show here.

Speaker 8 (02:25:49):
Yeah, I haven't watched it yet. I popped up. I
finally got time tonight to start searching for it, and
I found it and I was like, okay, oh, after
the show, I'll watch it three hours long. Holy maca,
I'm gonna be up.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
To you know. I love it when weird things pop
up in my feed. They do.

Speaker 8 (02:26:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:26:21):
So, Ten wildest names in sports history. Number one Kyle
sack Rider of the Michigan State Spartans. Number two of
the Washington Bullets. That's going back a while. Chubby Cox.

(02:26:45):
Number three Kansas City Royals. Rusty Kuntz spelled with a
k Yeah, number four from China, Dong Dong, former philadelph
Or Pittsburgh pirate, Johnny Dick shot, Oh my god, former

(02:27:07):
Saint Louis Cardinals, Stubby Clap, former NIU Luscious who say?

Speaker 8 (02:27:21):
Why?

Speaker 4 (02:27:21):
What?

Speaker 8 (02:27:21):
Parents? Are they easy?

Speaker 1 (02:27:23):
These are the wildest dames and sports. Former NHL goalie
Ron Tugnutt.

Speaker 8 (02:27:32):
Dude, the bullying must have been hard in school.

Speaker 1 (02:27:36):
I don't know how real this one is, but an
athlete from France Steve Ho you fat and former San
Francisco Giant cannonball Titcomb. I would also like to add
in a couple of hockey players in there, Corey Pecker,

(02:27:59):
Luca County. That's probably one of my favorites. Roman hammer Lick.
How that one didn't make it? I don't know, Roman
hammer Lick mm hmm, Dick Duff mm hmmm.

Speaker 7 (02:28:24):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:28:28):
Patrigallatado Rigolatto, how are you? I keep butchering butchering your name?
I'm sorry, Pat Rigolatto.

Speaker 8 (02:28:47):
Oh no way, I'm just reading the splurb on this,
and uh, they actually did a v R for the
Sports Model.

Speaker 1 (02:28:57):
I want to go, dude, it was It's pretty cool.
I watch, like I said, I watched it, man, I
watched it. It was good.

Speaker 8 (02:29:05):
I gotta buy it. Where is it streaming at.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
It's on Amazon.

Speaker 8 (02:29:13):
Okay, I got that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
Well worth it, Well worth it. We have forty five seconds.
Thank you t Bone, thank you JSCO, thank you Mickey
for the super chats. We greatly appreciate your love and support.
Everybody got twenty seconds.

Speaker 8 (02:29:49):
Dude, Yeah, this is gonna be a fun topic.

Speaker 1 (02:29:51):
Oh yeah, it'll be good. Here we go, final half

(02:30:32):
hours Faced Out Radio the UFO Report with Grant Baker continues,
We're talking about this weird story courtesy of Matt Gets,
the former congressman who says that he was told while
in Congress that the United States has aliens and they
are hybridizing them with humans. And right before the break, Grant,

(02:30:55):
you were making a comment about the hybridization program.

Speaker 8 (02:31:01):
Yeah. So the women that were in that program where
that got taken, some of them were actually taken aboard
the craft and then they would be reunited with these
unborn Well to them, they didn't know that these children
were even alive, and then they were reunited with their children,
so to speak. Some of them had very bizarre stories

(02:31:21):
of what these children look like. Bigger eyes, a little
bit bigger head, very soft toned skin, much older than
they should have been, and it just runs the gambit,
and every one of them has very similar stories, or
the few that actually do talk about this now, the
fact that they're taking people from like you're saying, war
zones and caravans, and they're taking people that are not

(02:31:44):
in the limelight. And you know what's really interesting is
is all this ties into the Acachek records and remote
viewing because when you're trying to communicate faster than light
were within your head across vast bands like the universe itself,

(02:32:05):
you know, instant communication, that's where a lot of these people,
like even games he was talking about it, where that's
kind of what you're doing, is you're just you're avoiding
time and space and just going directly to what you
want to do. And it seems like the military has
figured out or whatever is doing this, whoever is doing this,

(02:32:26):
has figured out that we need that capability maybe and
then going in and trying to reverse engineer the DNA
and figuring out how to get to that point like
a kind of like a superhuman almost genetically evolved. I
don't know if you'd put evolved, I guess just genetically

(02:32:48):
made superhuman. It's a story that goes back quite a way.

Speaker 1 (02:32:56):
Either way. Okay, whatever they are doing it for, dude,
this should scare the hell out of people. If this
is allegedly true, that they are kidnapping people allegedly from
third world countries, from war torn nations, destitute people.

Speaker 8 (02:33:25):
Well look at it this way. Bird Chett was just
talking about it a week ago. He was saying he
was kind of dropping hints about that same line of thinking.
This would light the world on fire, so to speak,
and it would scare people. He even said it would
keep you up at night thinking and worrying.

Speaker 1 (02:33:43):
But it makes me wonder. It now makes me wonder
how much truth there is to the theory that I
have that they know who's being abducted, they know who's
being taken, they know who the multiple experience. And this
goes way beyond a Chris Bledsoe or a you know,

(02:34:07):
Betty and Barney Hill or or Travis Walton. This goes
way beyond that they're if they are kidnapping people for
these experimentations allegedly, because we have to say allegedly with
everything to keep our legalities going if this ever came

(02:34:28):
out to be true, like fully true, because you know,
this is a subject that's going to get swept under
the rug. We all know that nobody is going to acknowledge.
Nobody of any power, I should say, is going to
acknowledge that, you know, the US military is allegedly kidnapping
these people for this experimentation. That is so illegal. Oh yes,

(02:34:55):
it is so illegal.

Speaker 8 (02:34:59):
It's crimes against humanity in various ways. It's not only illegal,
it's morally wrong. It's despicable. And I mean, if you
have scientists saying, hey, we are trying to do this,
does anybody want to raise their hand and volunteer? Okay,
tell the people what you're doing, and you might get

(02:35:20):
some people out there that might want to go through
something like this. But to go out in the middle
of the night or even broad daylight, we don't know
what they're doing and allegedly take random people and go
do some very weird stuff to him. Yeah, that's that's scary.
That's that's pretty scary.

Speaker 1 (02:35:39):
In my book, it makes me wonder. I remember the
first time I interviewed Butch Witkowski, the late Butchwitzkowski, who
is still a We lost him a few years ago,
but he's still a hero around the SR parts. Okay.
And I remember the first time I interviewed him about
human mutilations. One of the things he stated to me

(02:36:01):
was that there's approximately one point three Americans one point
three million Americans who go missing annually. And when the
alphabet agencies like the FBI and everybody whittles those numbers down, okay,
to people who have taken their own souls, to people

(02:36:22):
who have have disappeared because of nefarious acts, due to
crime syndicates, people who just want to vanish because they
hate their life. Okay, When they when they track it
all down, number by number and they eliminate numbers, it

(02:36:43):
always comes down to around sixty thousand people annually who
go missing. Now, we don't know what they do with
these people? Okay? What do they do when they're done
with them? Okay, because eventually, from what I hear, the
aliens will finally say, okay, we've got enough from you.
What happens to that person who comes from a war

(02:37:06):
torn country? Then are they sent back or are they
sent packing in a more nefarious way? Right? What do
we do with them? What about the people who went missing.
What about the people who who like, we don't know
what they're doing. I hate to sound so vague on this,

(02:37:28):
but realistically that is the only truth we have, and
that's the only lead we have regarding this subject. Now,
other congressional people who may be in the know with this,
whether it's timber Chet, whether it's Annapolina Luna, they need
to get on this because this involves real people.

Speaker 8 (02:37:51):
It does. Based off how timber Chet is reacting and
facial expressions when he's talking about this, he's seeing something disturber.
He has seen something, whether it's exactly what we're talking
about now or something even worse. I don't know yet,
none of us do. But you know, when you say
sixty thousand people, that's that's just here. That's not that's

(02:38:15):
not whobeing, that's just the United States. So if you
just kind of do a little bit of mathing there,
you know, it's probably in the millions or maybe at
least a million people. And you got to think, like,
what do you do with all that substance, like that
physical mass people? You know, are you sending them packing

(02:38:35):
in weird ways in the various ways?

Speaker 7 (02:38:38):
You know?

Speaker 8 (02:38:38):
Are they even saying Hey, well you're done here on Earth,
Go get in that cargo ship and we're going to
take you to another system and you're going to go
work in a coal mine on San Tack or whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:38:48):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:38:49):
I don't know, but yeah, it's it's definitely something we
need to start looking into. And it's all connected. It's
so wild how everything that we're doing right now, you
need me and talking all these people that we're talking
about that have passed, people that are in the news
right now. This whole thing is global and it's all

(02:39:09):
connected with what's going on everywhere, whether it be wars,
whether it be peace in a different country, people missing,
people being brought back. It's all connected. And it's I
think it goes way deeper and way crazier than we
even suspect.

Speaker 1 (02:39:29):
You would think, you would think maybe maybe not, we
don't know.

Speaker 8 (02:39:35):
No, we don't.

Speaker 1 (02:39:37):
And that is an answer. Like when you hear me
talk about disclosure, this is the stuff that needs to
come out. It's not about propulsion systems, it's not about
anti gravitics, because eventually they will bring that out to
the public. This is the stuff that needs to come out.

(02:40:00):
This is the stuff that you're not going to get
with a controlled or what they call soft disclosure, And like,
I still stand by my statement. You know, how does
President Trump get out of this? If he is going
to be disclosing things, how does he get out of it?
We found a signal from a planet far far away

(02:40:25):
in a goldilock zone near its star, which would be
its sun, and we have been able to confirm that
it is of another life form out there of the universe.
It's the safest way possible for him to get out
of this now that the cat is out of the bag.
But if he starts talking about aliens being here in

(02:40:47):
UFO technology being here, not the UAP fake man crap,
but the real UFO technology, they're not good. That's not disclosure.
Disclosures needs to open up everywhere, whether it's this story
that's just coming out about hybridization. Do they have lists

(02:41:08):
of names of people who are allegedly being taken like Grant.
If you found your name on a list that your
government that you voted for, that you pay taxes to,
has your name on a list and they know that
you get taken six times a year by aliens from
Zeta reticuli, how are you going to react that your

(02:41:32):
government knew that.

Speaker 8 (02:41:34):
Oh, I'd be livid, extremely livid. I would, honestly, and
this is just speaking from my experiences. It really wouldn't
surprise me. But at the same time, i'd be highly
upset about it. But once you get to that point,
then what do you do? I mean, you go out,
do you make a stand, how do you prove it?

Speaker 11 (02:41:55):
You know?

Speaker 8 (02:41:55):
And then it just it gets lost under the rug
like you you swept on the rug, just like you say,
you know. And there's sixty thousand plus every year people
being on that list. It's gross and it's sad that
we got to have to worry about something like that,
even though it might not even be the case. But yeah, no,

(02:42:17):
there's so many things right now that we need to
stand up for and start talking about, and they're just
hiding it. They're not telling us the truth. They're saying,
look over here, don't look behind the curtain. And I
think we've been dealing with that for a very long time,
at least the last eighty years. So I don't think
anything's going to change there. And just like you said,

(02:42:39):
when Obama came out and said, yeah, aliens are real,
I haven't seen one and they're not an area fifty one.
And then he comes back again and says, well, you know,
based off just the sheer size of the universe, mathematically speaking,
it's impossible that there's not some of their life fling
out there. That's a complete cop out, just an easy

(02:43:00):
way out. And you know what, sometimes you got to
go against the rushing waters. You don't want to just
flow the easiest path down hill.

Speaker 5 (02:43:09):
That is the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:43:11):
That is the truth right there. We're gonna keep an
eye on this.

Speaker 8 (02:43:16):
We have to.

Speaker 1 (02:43:17):
It's too big of a story for us to let loose.
It really is. Speaking of going on, why can we
in the UFO world Grant not get enough of bab Lazar.

Speaker 8 (02:43:35):
Oh man, he's got one of the coolest stories, my man,
and he doesn't change it. And now there's there's a
really cool video out right now. He just hit Joe Rogan.
If anybody is wondering episode two, four seven nine, I'm
out there with you, Luigi Ventelli and talking about the
new movie s War that you have watched, and I

(02:43:57):
am kind of jealous. I want to probably we stream
that tomorrow so I can see what all the hypes about.
After reading some of the blurbs on what people are saying,
this is going to be some cool tech. I wish
I had some VR goggles myself so I could take
a walk through the through the ship, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (02:44:18):
Well, I will say this for people who don't know
who Bob Lazar is. In nineteen eighty nine, Bob Lazar
came out after getting allegedly fired from Area fifty one
and s four for working on spacecraft, including one famous

(02:44:39):
one that he calls the sports Model, which is a
sleek disc shaped craft, your prototypical flying saucer. And Luigi
Vendateelli from Montreal is a filmmaker who is very very
with his very very talented team made a lot of

(02:45:00):
AI scenes describing what Bob Lasar saw. So they literally
for years interviewed Bob Lazar said, Okay, explain what the
seats look like, explain what the generators look like, everything,
and they put it into this movie grin.

Speaker 8 (02:45:21):
So the AI part they actually used very little of it.
They did the Sports Model and after reading everything, they
handmade the CGI in Blender and so they used very
little AI. But it was a full scale physical and
they made a full scale physical model of this thing.
And then they of course daged Lazarre's face, which is

(02:45:41):
really neat and because I love and I can't wait
to see this.

Speaker 1 (02:45:45):
Oh my gosh, you're geeking's note over this and you
haven't even seen it.

Speaker 8 (02:45:49):
Now, Well, I geek out over bable with our period.
I mean, I got to shake the man's hand. I'm
pretty happy about that. I'm a fanboy.

Speaker 1 (02:45:57):
And he lives in your community.

Speaker 8 (02:46:00):
Yeah, yeah, he's like fifteen minutes play minutes away something
like that.

Speaker 1 (02:46:03):
I know, But I saw the movie well worth the hype.
A lot of the movie is what we already know.
If you're in our field, you already know the story.
It's just pictures put together of his timeline. But there
was something very very interesting about this that made me

(02:46:28):
question things a little bit. There's this scene in the
movie where there is this camera. I thought it was
on Google, but our previous guest go Turner, said they
allowed this pilot to fly around Area fifty one to
take pictures of the mountains and all of this. Right,
not the movie people, but some other pilot. And he

(02:46:51):
had this very powerful camera on that could see into
S four Papoose Lake. And when they changed the aperture
on the video to the scene where the basse at
S four really was so for people wondering about the base.
Allegedly it was in a mountainside and they had these

(02:47:13):
doors that would open up. They were camouflaged, and they
would open up, hiding the craft. So when they took
the craft out, they would fly it out over a
papoose lake and then take it off into the sky,
and that's what would happen. Well apparently on on this photograph,

(02:47:36):
this still photo, you can actually see the lines. When
you change the aperture and the colorization of the photo,
you could actually see the lines of these doors in
the dirt or alleged dirt. And when I saw that,
I damn near jumped out of my chair and I

(02:47:59):
was like, that's the one that, to me, is the
piece of evidence that I needed. I've always believed him
and wanted to believe him Grant, but that was the
one where I was like, that was my AHA moment.

Speaker 8 (02:48:17):
I got one for you then, And I know this
is it's the same topic. If you can go and
find and I don't know if anybody can do this,
but go and find. In early to mid nineties, Encyclopedia Britannica,
and you know the whole series the set and look
up Area fifty one and in that I did a

(02:48:38):
whole spiel for this for one of my classes. Got
an A plus on it in high school, and it
talks about that exact the doors and it's in the
mountain side and it's called Area seventy two in the encyclopedia.
And I remember this because I did a full fledge.
You had to stand up in front of the class
and talk about it, and that's obviously what I wanted

(02:49:01):
to talk about, because I'm interested in it even at
that young of age. And I'll tell you they don't
have that in the encyclopedias anymore at all. You cannot
find it. You would have to find an old ninety set,
probably in the early nineties, and maybe then you'll find it.
I don't even know if it was early nineties, late eighties,
because they come out with sets like every year, and yeah,

(02:49:24):
if you can find that, it aligns perfectly with what
you're talking about. You know.

Speaker 1 (02:49:30):
They brought up the controversy of him working at Los
Alamos in New Mexico and how there was allegedly no
evidence that he ever worked there everybody denied that he
was ever there. Yet George Knapp had proof of the
phone book that had Bob Lazar's name on it. And

(02:49:50):
then there was a front page news article on Bob
Lasar's jet car that he had built. And in that
story it states that he works at Los Alamos testing site.
And here they people are like, no, no, we don't
know who this Bob Lasar guy is. You're making things up.

(02:50:14):
Nobody's ever worked here like this, And yet there was proof.

Speaker 8 (02:50:18):
Yes, yeah, you can't scrub at all. Someone even had
his W two until it got took by a higher
ranking officer.

Speaker 1 (02:50:29):
Yes, yeah, that was Jim Goodall. Yeah, ye, Jim Goodall
had it.

Speaker 8 (02:50:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:50:37):
I like the movie. I would recommend the movie to anybody.
It's thirteen ninety nine to rent on Amazon. That's Canadian. So,
like I said, it's about six bucks American, ten bucks American,
whatever it is. I think it's absolutely worth it. And
even if you're not into UFOs, the Bob Lazaar story

(02:51:01):
is incredible to me. He's a whistleblower. He is a whistleblower.
He put his life on the line. They tried to
kill him.

Speaker 8 (02:51:11):
Okay, he even took people out to see the ships
on time, Yes a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (02:51:17):
Gene Huff and John Lear, the late John Lear. So
it was I really liked the movie. I really did.
And Bob Lazar is one story that I always want
to believe.

Speaker 4 (02:51:32):
I just do.

Speaker 1 (02:51:33):
I don't know why, but it's got that you know,
much like everybody else. The movie is called S four
The Bob Lazar Story. It is by Luigi Vnateelli. We
got to try and get him back on this show.
He's been on before. We got to try and get
him on again. And Grant, thank you for a great

(02:51:54):
UFO report. Always appreciate you, my friend. As we say
good night to Grant and hello mister Ron. Bumblefoot thal
rocket in the background with little brothers watching. Bumblefoot is
the official music of spaced Out Radio, rocking us in
and out of every single show. Get your horns up
for the guitar god himself special Thanks to everybody listening

(02:52:18):
in at work, at home, in your cars, wherever you
may be. Thank you to everyone in our chat rooms tonight, YouTube, Twitch, helgap, Facebook, spreaker,
LinkedIn the Space Travelers Club, and on x and hashtag
spaced Out Radio. Remember this show is copyright by spaced

(02:52:44):
Out Radio and Bigfoot Broadcasting Limited. Thank you so much
for choosing to share your evening with us, because together,
my friends, beyond the night, mister Bumblefoot, we need a favor.
We need you to take us home. Yes, the wool

(02:53:10):
Train has docked for the night, but soon, my friends,
we shall ride again. The seats are always available, your
tickets never expire, and if you want to bring a friend,
we've got room for them too. Good Night, everybody,

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