May 30, 2025 • 36 mins
I had the absolute joy of talking with Dr. Dave Jones—and what a powerful conversation it was! He shared his personal journey from religion to deep Kingdom revelation, and how a divine encounter opened his eyes to the truth of who we really are in Christ.Dave carries a bold vision to see sons and daughters awakened to their true identity and walk in Kingdom authority—not someday, but now. We talked about leaving behind fear-based thinking, accessing the unseen realm, and living from the spirit as a daily reality.His story is full of heart, hunger, and Holy Spirit fire. Get ready to be stirred!BIO:
Dave grew up in Western Pennsylvania and spent most of his early childhood and adult life in and out of hockey rinks around the world; playing in cities such as Ottawa, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Kalamazoo, and Grand Rapids. His love and skill for hockey lead into a professional career in Europe playing in many countries including Luxemburg, Russia, Slovakia, Switzerland and finally Germany.
For over 13 years, Dave has worked NHL, NFL, Track and Field, and CrossFit athletes with their mental preparation, and hundreds of organizational leaders and executives around the world. Dave’s personal vision is to unify excellence in the marketplace. He has founded 4 thriving companies in the Raleigh, North Carolina community. Dave Jones has B.S. in Management Studies from the University of Maryland, European Division.
He also earned his Doctorate in Sport Psychology in 2024 after a long pursuit and determination. Dave is a sports consultant who coaches CEOs, executives, professional athletes to help achieve their vision, by executing and developing mental skills training, and enhancing thought blocking techniques.
He works with organization leaders on their strategy, execution and communication, and managing the gaps between employees and management.As a thought leader and highly motivated individual, Dave engages executive teams by consulting on analytics, oversight of talent initiatives, and one-on-one coaching. He helps leaders improve the effectiveness of their organizations, by utilizing practices such as strategic planning, mental skills training, organizational assessment, and team interventions.Dave and his wife Laura currently reside in Raleigh, NC and have two young boys.
HIGHLIGHTS:
Dave grew up in Western Pennsylvania and spent most of his early childhood and adult life in and out of hockey rinks around the world; playing in cities such as Ottawa, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Kalamazoo, and Grand Rapids. His love and skill for hockey lead into a professional career in Europe playing in many countries including Luxemburg, Russia, Slovakia, Switzerland and finally Germany.
For over 13 years, Dave has worked NHL, NFL, Track and Field, and CrossFit athletes with their mental preparation, and hundreds of organizational leaders and executives around the world. Dave’s personal vision is to unify excellence in the marketplace. He has founded 4 thriving companies in the Raleigh, North Carolina community. Dave Jones has B.S. in Management Studies from the University of Maryland, European Division.
He also earned his Doctorate in Sport Psychology in 2024 after a long pursuit and determination. Dave is a sports consultant who coaches CEOs, executives, professional athletes to help achieve their vision, by executing and developing mental skills training, and enhancing thought blocking techniques.
He works with organization leaders on their strategy, execution and communication, and managing the gaps between employees and management.As a thought leader and highly motivated individual, Dave engages executive teams by consulting on analytics, oversight of talent initiatives, and one-on-one coaching. He helps leaders improve the effectiveness of their organizations, by utilizing practices such as strategic planning, mental skills training, organizational assessment, and team interventions.Dave and his wife Laura currently reside in Raleigh, NC and have two young boys.
HIGHLIGHTS:
- Slapshot to Salvation
A literal slapshot to the face (yes, like broken-nose, nerve-damage kind of slapshot) became the divine wake-up call that pivoted Dave’s life. Sometimes it really does take a hockey puck to the face to hear God clearly. - Jesus Over Hangovers
At 16, fresh off a state championship and a hangover, Dave had a holy interruption when his brother from Moody Bible Institute asked him if he wanted to keep living like that—or receive Jesus. Hungover or not, Dave said yes to Jesus. - Grace-Fueled Grit
He barely passed high school, but chased knowledge like a beast and just finished his PhD (hello, Dr. Dave!)—proving that being “not academic” doesn’t disqualify you when God’s the one writing your story. - Marketing Ministry that Moves Mountains
Dave has been running M is Good for 24 years, managing $1.6 million a month in ad spend for 38 Christian orgs globally. It’s not just marketing; it’s ministry with strategy and Holy Spirit-led messaging. - Turtle on a Fence Post Wisdom
His favorite analogy: if you see a turtle on a fence post, you know it didn’t get there by itself. That’s how he sees his journey—with God as the one lifting him higher than he could ever climb on his own. - God doesn’t always pick the obvious candidates—so relax.
Dr. Dave reminds us that God tends to use the least expected people to do powerful things. You don’t have to be a marketing guru to start a Christian marketing business (he sure wasn’t)—you just have to say yes and be willing to figure things out as you go.
- Confidence isn’t always spiritual—it can come from just doing what you love.
Confidence doesn’t have to float down from heaven on a cloud. Sometimes it’s built in the trenches—or on the ice rink. Dr. Dave leaned on the grit and resilience he learned from sports to push through early business doubts and roadblocks. - Ask the hard question: “Am I usable?”
While soaking in a worship song about being used by God, Dr. Dave had a wake-up moment. He asked himself if he was actually in a place where God could use him. That led to some personal soul-searching and change. A humbling reminder that being “called” doesn’t mean skipping character work. - Don’t over-spiritualize—just listen, think, and align.
Dave’s not the type to claim burning bush moments. Instead, he hears from God through alone time, journaling, and reading Scripture. His method? Follow peace, check the fruit, and if it’s not hurting a
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Do you ever look around your life and think, you know,
I feel like there's something more that I'm supposed to
be doing, or something more that God has for me.
There's a bigger, better plan that He has if only
I could figure it out. And sometimes we feel doubt
as far as did God really call me to do this?
(00:23):
Or how do I do it? I don't know how
to do the thing that I feel called to. And
sometimes we feel like we're off purpose, we're not walking
in our destiny, and you know, by the end of
our life, we won't have fulfilled it. We won't get
the good and faithful servant at a boy, and we'll
(00:46):
feel like our life is meaningless. And that's fearful for
a lot of people. And if you're struggling with that,
you know, I want to definitely want to pray with you,
but I also want to invite you to a math
classes free and we're going to look at those three
biggest challenges to overcoming the things that are keeping you
(01:09):
back from living fully alive and fully aligned with purpose.
It's called purpose and passion and I look forward to
seeing you there.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Welcome to the Spirit Centered Business podcast, where we blend
the spiritual with the practical for supernatural results. Now here's
your host, Brilinn Nuby.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Hello, they're welcome to Spirit Centered Business. I'm for Lyn Nuby,
your host, and I'm here with a new friend, a
new guest. You guys are going to love doctor Dave Jones,
also aka doctor Super Dave. I just had to say
that that is so good. And he is an amazing
sing international marketer and his vision is to help you
(02:04):
with your vision. And I'm he's going to talk all
about the mission of his business, m is good and
his books and his podcast, which I was so honored
and blessed to have been a guest on. And at
the time of this recording, it's dropping this week, but
when you guys see it, it will have been already.
(02:27):
And one thing I just need to say is that
he's not actually skinny. He's a sports guy. He's a
hockey player. It's a camera issue, so we're just taking
over that. But he's actually big and buff and yeah,
so it's just kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, thanks for having me on your podcast.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I'm excited to be here and I'm excited to talk
about faith and spirituality and business and and yeah, it's
gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Very very cool. So I'm going to give you the
floor to actually, why don't you do a quick bio first,
because I'm sure that the the intro that I gave
you was not comprehensive and let people know who you are,
and then we'll dive into your story.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Well, first of all, I want to say that I
am a sinner saved by grace. It is evident throughout
my life that I played hockey. My whole life. I
had a few injuries. Slapshot in the face, shattered my
nose in three different directions, dbated septum, cut the nurse,
my teeth in my mouth, and you know, it was
(03:33):
really from that moment on where I you know, I
just knew that whatever I was doing at that time,
it wasn't working, whatever was doing, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So that's that slapshot on the face.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
It woke me up, and from there on, you know,
I just really leaned on God and you know, in
my next steps and I really just honestly like I
feel like, you know, you know, like how you have
open hands and like, you know, the Lord, whatever you
want to do with my life, I'm all yours. I
know I have plans, but you know, my plans are
your plans, and so I've tried to do my best
(04:04):
to lead that way. So I played hockey in Northwest PA,
won a couple of state championships there, and then went
up to Ottawa and played and played for Cleveland, and
then went overseas and played four years in Europe. I
came home and again just just really challenging, you know
what I was doing after I was playing hockey, and
(04:26):
I started Marketing Ministries, which is now em as Good.
So it's actually the name is Marketing Ministries DBAM is good.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I've been.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Really just building that business for the last twenty four
years and chasing psychology and messaging, and so I just
needed a track to be to just really follow psychology.
So I look at the academic world. I'm not really
like an academic per se. I was not very smart
in high school. I barely passed high school. I just
really wanted to chase information and really just landed on psychology.
(05:02):
So after thirteen years, I just recently defended my last
part of my dissertation December sixth of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Congratulations. Yeah, I'm going to just like that's a big thing. Yay,
God so made it true.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, I did make it through, and I made
it through dissertation, which is really not fun.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Brutal. I've heard brutal, it's brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I never wanted to give up through the process. I
just knew it was going to be a long haul.
And so yeah, so I, you know, except for the
grace of God, there go. I I honestly believe that
with all my heart and spirit that you know, being
committed to something, you know, is just that you're committing
to it, whether it's fun or not, whether emotionally it's
(05:47):
training or not, you know, you're committing to that process.
And that's what I've done with my company over the years.
So we currently manage, you know, somewhere around one point
six million dollars a month through about thirty eight different
Christian organizations around the world.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know, I've got an awesome team.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You know, we do a lot of messaging, which is
that psychology side of things, and we do a lot
of ad management. And so yeah, that's that's a little snapshot,
very quick of my life. There's lots of little stories
in between, lots of little you know, holy spirit moments.
You know where it's like, you know, you get to
(06:24):
check up from the neck up of like what am
I doing and why is it not working? And you know,
leaning on the scriptures and and yeah, so I really
feel like I am I use analogy with my staff
like you ever see a turtle on a fence post,
you know, and you go, yeah, the first thing you
(06:45):
see is like you see a turtle on the fence post. First,
all that's weird. The question is how did it get there?
And the answer is not by itself? And that's what
That's what I feel like, really, and so I'm excited
to talk to you today about all the details of
that though.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Very very cool. So, yeah, one point six million a
month in ad spend, like that's a lot of productivity.
How big is your team?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
We have seven full time staff.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Wow, we're nibble, we're Agileish said, we're an agile Christian
ad agency.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
We use a couple of contractors here and there, a
couple ten ninety nine. But for the most part, everything's
internal and there's a lot of detail there and a
lot of more a lot of production meetings on where
we're at, where we're going.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Very cool and so are all of your staff on
board with their faith the same or do you have
different people on different pages.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
No, they're all. They're all believers in Chrest.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You know, I don't really judge their walk and you know,
are they a fully devoted follower Jesus Christ? That's not
my position, sure, but you know, we we definitely have
a morning blitz every morning, you know, which is you know,
entails of you know, clients, where we're at, where we're going,
and then it entails you know, a devo every morning.
(08:10):
So I've been doing a devo with staff. You know,
my staff has turned over over the years, but consistently
we do a devo every morning for the last twenty
four years.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Wow, yeah, God on that. That is so good, so good.
All right, So how did it all start? I know
you said you got the slap shot literally in the face,
slap in the face as far as your Christian walk.
How old were you when that happened?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I was sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
When I was sixteen, Well, I've had two nose surgeries
when I was sixteen. The truth of is that when
I was sixteen, we won the state championship and me
and Buddy went out and got drunk and my brother
came home from Moody Bible Institute, and it was really
just a god timing thing, and just I was really hungover,
(09:05):
and my brother said, Dave, do you want to live
a life like this? And I said no, And he said,
do you want to receive Jesus your learned savior? And
I said yes? And I was sixteen, and I didn't
know what that meant. I was just like, you want
something better than what I'm going through right now, so
Jesus will work. So I really didn't know what that meant.
And so that was kind of the seed. And that
(09:27):
seed really didn't, I don't think, really started to grow
until I was twenty four, twenty three time frame.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah wow, okay, so you you would have been after
college that that seed started to grow. Did you start
your company already? Where were you in your nose?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
So I was twenty four, twenty three, twenty four, I
was still playing hockey in Europe? Oh okay, and I
started my company. I was twenty eight, got it?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay? Time in there? Yeah okay, ye.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
All right, So Jesus got a hold of you and
then you that seed started to grow when you were
in Europe. The seeds started to grow. Yeah, So what
happened over there? What made that seed grow?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's a great question. I had met my a very
wonderful woman.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Her name was Laura, and her name is Laura, and
we've been married for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So we met in Europe.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
In this crazy, crazy story there is she's from Pennsylvania.
I was from Pennsylvania. I was from northwest. She was
kind of south of Pittsburgh. I was north of Pittsburgh.
She's the youngest of three.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Women.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I was the youngest of three men, you know, so
our siblings were you know. So it was kind of crazy,
like and we met in Germany from all places, so
just unreal. Wow. So I was like, this is a godsend,
you know of you know, God sending this woman in
my life, and so that that commitments are was the
beginning of you know, what we need to do better?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
M Yeah wow, okay, So she was part of your
journey at the time. What was she doing in Europe?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
She was visiting a friend.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh my gosh, she ain't got that is yeah wow.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So that's just a testament to God can orchestrate the
universe to make sure that you follow your destiny. Right,
Oh so good, okay, So, so tell me about starting
the company.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I came home, I was working for Fox TV, and
I just the whole you know. I came out of
a pro hockey so like it's very flexible, you know.
And so when I started working in corporate America, the
eight the fourth thing and you got to be here
and like it just it would just grind it against
my DNA of what I've been doing. And so I
(12:00):
at the time, I just said, God, what do you
want to do with my life again? And I just
prayed to prayer and I looked down and I don't know,
I didn't see it, but there was there was a
list of about thirty Christian clients that were advertising on
Fox TV. And I was like, oh, wow, that's cool.
I'll start an that agency. What do I call it?
(12:20):
And immediately I got marketing ministries Like it wasn't an
audible voice, it was just this like intuitions to like
marketing ministries, Like that's a dumb name.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And I was like, Lord, what if? What?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And so I didn't know what I was doing. I
had no clue. I got a lawyer to do search
and they said it's available. If you want it, and
I said, maybe God's not so dumb after all. So
I incorporated the company in November two thousand and one,
and I went to that list of those people on
the clients or a list. I went to the list
(12:57):
of clients that were on that sheet, and I told
them in Nova, I'm going to start a company called
market Miserably follow me and brilin. They were like, yeah,
we're with you, like all of them, and I was like,
this is so cool. And so I left the company
in January of two thousand and two and I went
back to that list and they all said what.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
No, no, no, we're not with you. There were three
that said we're with you, Dave, and they're still with
me today.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Wow. Well it doesn't take an army, it just takes
the three room, like.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Gideon, right, yeah, yeah, I never thought of that. That's
really cool.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, it doesn't take thousand, that takes the three hundred. Yeah. Wow,
so good.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
So that whole year I think we build I know,
it was fifteen thousand dollars for the year and that
was hard. Yeah, that was that was hard. And the
second year was like thirty thousand. So the two year,
(14:04):
third year was like it was like two hundred thousand,
and then the fourth year it doubled, and then it
doubled again, and I just haven't looked back.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it took me.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I would say it took about four to five years
for that vision, you know, for that to really kind
of prove itself out that it worked, which is a
whole message in there of like, you know, when you
get that vision of where you want to go and
you have to you know, change the trajectory, how long
is it really going to take?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That is so good? Yeah, and so you were obviously
following the Lord every step of the way, right, Yeah,
I mean because he gave you the name of the
business and you know those first three clients that got
your feet in the water. So good. So so what
(14:54):
did you do? What do you think you did or
God did to double you know so many times?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Well, I first want to say for your audience out there,
like when you when you're an entrepreneur and you've got
a vision from God, a lot of times at least
the stories in the Bible are not God doesn't use
the people that you think he'd do, is right, And
so it's like you got to figure things out and
(15:23):
so God's going to use the you know, just you
know somebody like I just think about. I was a
hockey guy getting in a marketing business, a Christian marketing business.
I didn't know anything, but I knew I had confidence
that I could that I could accomplish something because I
you know, I got a lot of confidence in hockey,
playing hockey. So I believe in myself that I could
(15:45):
do it. And you know, my fiance wife now of
twenty five years, she believed in me that I could
do it. And so that was enough. So I knew
there was going to take some time. I didn't know
how long, but I knew it was. I knew it
was gonna work. I just had to get myself right,
and so I just pushed through. I mean, looking back
(16:07):
on that, I just I just pushed through like it
was going to work even though it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So were you praying every day? Was that something part
of your Is that part of your devotional that you
were doing with your company or your God time by
yourself or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I had probably three times a week and I still
do do this today, where I find time to be
alone and I have time to ask God.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
What we're doing beautiful, Okay. Yeah, So I heard this song.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I wish I had this song because I've told this
story now a couple of times. There's a song that's
like use me, God, use me God, Oh, God, use me,
you know. And I was listening to that and I
was like, am I usable? Great question, like am I
usable right now? Like, and what am I doing in
(17:06):
my life? Am I usable? And at the time, I
had read the Book of Who You Are. No one's
looking oh h huh, and I just really like, I
think it's Bill Heibel's I was like, you know what,
I need to change some things in my life so
I can be usable.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
And so so that I had, I had, and again
still to this day, I have times where I just
need to be alone. I need to think, and I
need to process. I've never been over spiritual, like I've
heard this voice or you know, I get ideas through
reading the Word of God, right Like, That's that's where
(17:46):
it comes for me. It's an intuition of I think
this is the right thing to do, like I'm going
to go in this direction, let's see what happens, and
if things line up, then I go okay, and I've
always got a lens. I always got a filter where
I'm I'm like, Okay, is this going to hurt somebody?
Is this going to hurt myself? You know, like, because
(18:06):
I do think there is this area where you think
you're doing the right thing, but you're hurting people in
the process. Like I'll give an extreme example. I had
a friend who said of you know, who's married for
twenty years, said, you know, I just woke up one
day and I said, this is this is not the
person I should be married to. And he went on
(18:29):
a dating app and he you know, lied to his
wife and went you know and saw her.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And you know, had sex.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And came back and felt guilty and like, oh no,
like you know, and so they're like there's these things
in our life that like we do that we think,
you know, this is the right direction, but it's not.
It's clearly not like God messed up after twenty years. Whoops,
you weren't supposed to be married to this person in
like like just a mistake. So it's it's always a
lens of like, all right, is this is this?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
You know? Is this the fruits of a spirit? Love? Peace? Patient,
self control? You know? Discipline. Am I am.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I heading in the right direction and is just going
to be good because when it's good, it just it
helps so many people.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's so good. M h. I want to come back
to what you said about that the hockey created confidence
in you and you just kept going because those are
mindset things that we are challenged with. I mean, every
(19:41):
I work with as you do, multi million dollar CEOs
and there still have mindset issues. Right. It doesn't matter
what end of the spectrum you are, we all have.
The enemy uses those little thoughts and those little things
to keep poking at us and telling us, making us
(20:04):
feel unworthy, or breaking our confidence, or saying we need
to give up or something like that. So what were
you doing in those moments when it did get hard
in the beginning that you stood on the confidence? Did you,
like David reminded himself, Oh, I killed the lion and
the bear. I can take a lot giant too, you know?
(20:25):
Or how were you doing it?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah? I think you know.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I don't know if it was like a subconscious thought
or just like you know, I know I can do this.
I'm just not talking to the right people. I need
to get to the right people. How do I get
to the right people. You know, So this is not
like like something that's I'm doing wrong. I'm just I'm
just not talking to the right people here, Like this
is not my core audience. Hockey gave me that confidence
(20:53):
to you know, I think playing sports, you know, when
you get knocked down, it doesn't mean you're a bad player.
It just means you got knocked down, you know, and
so like so you just get up and just keep going.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You know. There, you know, a slapshot in the face,
you know, it is life altering. You know.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I had blood pumping out of my nose. It was
it was like you know, the trainer comes out on
the on the ice and like with the white towel,
puts it on my face and like you know, like
we get to the bench and the towels red. You know,
like that hurt me. That that created all kinds of doubt, insignificance, fear, stress,
(21:32):
you know, and I had to really separate myself from
say that was a freak accident. That's not who you are.
What just happened to you is not who you are.
Don't let it define you. That took a lot of
time to figure that out. So I think that sometimes
when we're talking to executives and you know, like it's
the same situation where you know, what you do is
(21:53):
not who you are. You know, who you are in
Christ is Christ doesn't care about what you're doing. Man,
you went to the glory, you know. So we judge
ourselves by our bank account, our cars, our houses, our
beach homes, our boats, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I didn't care about that stuff, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And so you know, so how do you how do
you self align yourself, you know, to say, Okay, this
is who I am in Christ. I'm the head, not
the tail, right, And so having that confidence, it takes time,
It takes reflection.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So in those moments I can imagine, I mean especially
at sixteen, because you're not even no, I don't know
who you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Are, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And then you said there was another one twice.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, so it's sixteen.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I got checked from behind and the helmet came down
and snapped the bridge of my nose.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Oh at twenty I got a slapshot in the face.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Oh at twenty oh wow?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Okay, yeah wow.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So so when you were when you're saying that took
a long time to get to realize that it was
just an accident. It didn't define you, It didn't label you,
you know, broken, like unfixable. How were you like, literally
(23:23):
give the audience. I think that the audience. I think
so many people deal with this and so literally give them. Like,
what was that process? You said it was long? You
said it was hard? Okay, So what does long and
hard look like? Is it you know, dark knights of
the soul or that you know, how did what? What?
What did you go through? And how did you pull
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yourself up or get you know the tassels of Jesus
robe you know in your hands.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, so this is awesome because what happened to me
is I knew I didn't like myself.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I knew that, and so I believe. So let me
just back up.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Years ago I asked a very very popular pastor, big
pastor won't mention his name here, but I asked Hi
about the dimensions of God. I said, how many dimensions
does God living? And I said one, two, three, four?
And he's like, Dave, God lives in all dimensions. There's
infinite dimensions. And I said, okay, Like what's a different dimension?
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He said, Well, he said, what if your words had
to smell. What if color had a feeling, what if
color had to taste? And I kind of I don't
even know if this is accurate. This is just kind
of what helped me. I said, you know what, what
if the way I'm talking about others and myself had
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a spiritual smell? I stink and everything around me stinks.
And so I know that's crazy you talk, but I'm like,
so I knew it. Yeah, I think I think there's
some truth to it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Oh, it's biblical. Our prayers are a sweet aroma to
the Lord.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, it's it's in there, blossom.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, so we're speaking out of our mouth can create
a stench, or it can be a sweet aroma.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
There it is.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And so I knew that, And I think God, because
I was mindful of it, God had put some mentors
in my path.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And a mentor said, Dave, you don't like who you are.
You can change it. And I said I can. He said, yeah,
Now this is before digital and you know mobile. But
he said, why don't you turn off the TV for
the next two years and here's thirty books for you
to read? And I said, okay, and so I still
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when I tell the story, I still remember the chair
that I had in our town home, you know, back
in two thousand and five, two thousand and three, somewhere
in there where I basically went to work and I
came home for a couple of hours and I read
these books turn off the TV. And so I read
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thirty books in two years. And that changed my trajectory significantly.
I believe that altered that altered my genealogy, honestly, because
I had come from a broken broken I just I'm
gonna say this nicely. I just came from an area
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where it just wasn't spiritually rich, you know, it was
it was spiritually dead.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah yeah, wow, so good, so good. So let's jump
forward a little bit. Now. You're you're after the fourth
year of your business. So you know that you're you know, successful,
and you're rocking and rolling. You have your team that
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you're doing the devots every morning, you are working, you know,
having your alone time, God time at least three times
a week, you know, meeting by yourself. Were you attending
a regular church at that time?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I was, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And were they on the same page with you spiritually?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I mean we're yes.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
At the time, yes, it was a non denominational church.
I was getting fed there for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, this was in Philadelphia or in that area.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
This was in North Carolina, Oh it was.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, so this is I'm twenty eight now twenty nine thirty,
so this is in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, okay, all right, very cool. So what happened next,
either on your spiritual journey or blending like any other
gods stories about business or anything.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, so in two thousand and nine I went over.
It's so crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Like ten years later, after I had been there playing hockey,
I came back on like a business trip. I was
meeting a client in Germany, and so I went to
church near Ramstein Air Base and so it was an
American church with an apostle there. So those are familiar
with an apostle. They're different than a pastor, you know.
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This apostle was tied into the Holy Spirit. And I
had just showed up. There was probably a couple hundred
people in the crowd, and he just pointed me out
and said, come up here.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I got a word for you. And I've seen this
happen before. I'm not really Pentecostal. I don't. I'm just not.
It's not that I disagree with it, just not. But
it was.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You know, I've been in Pentecostal churches where you know,
they have the green Blanket team, you know, where like
the pastor of the apostles away and people pass out
and fall out and like, you know, they're doing convulsions
on the floor and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
So I became one of those.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Like, honestly, it happened to my wife was with me,
and like he hit me with the word and I
fell to my knees. My ears got really hot, my
face got really hot. I didn't know what was happening,
and and honestly, really I basically I went back to
my hotel that night. I wrote everything down to what happened,
and I sat on that for a year in two
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thousand and nine. I just didn't know what to do
with it.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
And soay about it?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Did you ask the Lord about.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It all the time? Yeah, okay, all the time. I
was like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And then it came down to this, do I believe
it or do I not believe it? And I basically
came to the inclusion, I have no reason not to
believe it. So then I started pushing on it. I'm like, okay,
I believe this. Let's let's look what this is. And
so I went back and read that over and this
is where our seven came out of. So, you know,
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expanding your tents Isaiah sixty eight, sixty sixty eight somewhere
in there where it's talking about you know, you know,
looking for something bigger and you know, moving your your
tense stakes. And so the destiny of the vision, the strategy,
the brand, basically all of our seven came out of this.
And what was crazy about this. God sent me mentors
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in every one of those categories for about a year
and I didn't pay for any of it, like experts, wow,
yeah wow. And I didn't even know. Like two or
three years into it, I was like, what is happening?
Why are these people? And I'm like, oh my gosh,
like this is this is our seven? Like God is
sending me angels man, Like this is so cool.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, that's so cool. We're gonna I definitely want
to unpack our seven. And if you know the audience,
you guys know speaking about vision and destiny, that's right.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Up my alley.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know, when he starts talking about it our step
and all of me starts vibrating like, oh, that's so
good speaking my language. So our seven came out of
that journey of that moment with God in Germany. But
you sat on it for a year. It's kind of
(31:26):
trying to unpack and saying, Lord, what do you have?
You didn't this for the audience. This is the teaching
point is he didn't just forget about it, you know,
shelve it.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I couldn't. There's no way. It's just sitting there. It's
a huge seed. Like I, yeah, there's no way I
could forget about it. I just didn't know what to
do with it. And it's timing of it. I you know,
I think about you know, when the Israelites are in
the desert and they were led by a blue flame
by night and a cloud by day and I and
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that you know when you think about you're in a
desert and you have a cloud, Like if there's no cloud,
you don't survive.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
So how that cloud moved?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
They had to move with that cloud, and they couldn't
get in front of it, they couldn't get behind it.
They couldn't get left or right. But like they had
to stay in that shadow in order to survive. And
that's where I felt like my experience has been of
just understanding when I'm supposed to move is following that cloud,
and sometimes I get it wrong, sometimes I get it right,
you know. And I feel like this twenty four year
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career of running one of the largest Christianity dicies in
the world has been this cloud by day in this
blue flame by night, and when to move, when not
to move, and this intuition.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
So that hit in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I sat on it for a year and then mentors
came and so I started just fine tuning it, fine
tuning it over time and just exploring and exploring it.
So in twenty thirteen, fourteen, we rebranded the company Emma's
Good in our seven became our whole entire coaching platform.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Wow. And this is a great place to break this
segment because I really want to unpack all of that
in segment two. So tell everyone where they can find you.
And I also want to mention the book. So why
don't we just quick talk about the book and then
(33:27):
we'll end this segment and go into the next one.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Okay, So I wrote a book.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It's basically called Vision Wins and it's the R seven process.
I really like fables and so John Gordon's one of
my favorite authors. I happened to meet him and ask
him how I wrote a book, and so when I
decided it was time to write a book, I basically
wrote a fable around R seven.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
So it's Vision Wins. Can find on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
You can catch me through MS Goodmasgod dot com. You know,
there's a lets chat on there if you want to
reach out with any questions about the podcast or questions
just in general, I'd be happy to ask him, but
you can you can reach me there.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Very cool. Thank you so much, doctor Dave Jones, the
newly crowned doctor. That must feel so good. Oh yeah,
you'll you fit your You'll fit into it and it'll
just be natural. You've been working on it so long.
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So congratulations on that once again. And so you guys,
if you want to get his book, I can tell you,
even even in this episode one, you haven't heard about
that our seven process yet. We've just given you little tasters.
But get that book because his process is amazing. You know,
it's up my alley. When we're talking about vision and
destiny and all on how to get there. So go
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ahead and go over to msgood dot com look him up,
find his book and get go over to the podcast
is on YouTube. Correct, yes, yeah, so follow him, subscribe
to the YouTube channel and follow that podcast. That would
be really really good. Okay, you guys. So next next
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week for the audience, you will get part two, we're
gonna talk more about what Emma's good is what he
does with his clients, and he's probably gonna drop some
really good gold nuggets about marketing. And we're gonna unpack
that our summon process. All right, until next time day
Spirit Center Piece out. Hey there, SCB peeps. I want
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to give a huge shout out and deep appreciation and
thanks to Candace Benton. She has become a super sponsor
for the Spirit Centered Business show, so I would appreciate
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Thank you so much, Candace, and you are well loved.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
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Speaker 3 (36:19):
Peace Out
Do you ever look around your life and think, you know,
I feel like there's something more that I'm supposed to
be doing, or something more that God has for me.
There's a bigger, better plan that He has if only
I could figure it out. And sometimes we feel doubt
as far as did God really call me to do this?
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Or how do I do it? I don't know how
to do the thing that I feel called to. And
sometimes we feel like we're off purpose, we're not walking
in our destiny, and you know, by the end of
our life, we won't have fulfilled it. We won't get
the good and faithful servant at a boy, and we'll
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feel like our life is meaningless. And that's fearful for
a lot of people. And if you're struggling with that,
you know, I want to definitely want to pray with you,
but I also want to invite you to a math
classes free and we're going to look at those three
biggest challenges to overcoming the things that are keeping you
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back from living fully alive and fully aligned with purpose.
It's called purpose and passion and I look forward to
seeing you there.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Welcome to the Spirit Centered Business podcast, where we blend
the spiritual with the practical for supernatural results. Now here's
your host, Brilinn Nuby.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Hello, they're welcome to Spirit Centered Business. I'm for Lyn Nuby,
your host, and I'm here with a new friend, a
new guest. You guys are going to love doctor Dave Jones,
also aka doctor Super Dave. I just had to say
that that is so good. And he is an amazing
sing international marketer and his vision is to help you
(02:04):
with your vision. And I'm he's going to talk all
about the mission of his business, m is good and
his books and his podcast, which I was so honored
and blessed to have been a guest on. And at
the time of this recording, it's dropping this week, but
when you guys see it, it will have been already.
(02:27):
And one thing I just need to say is that
he's not actually skinny. He's a sports guy. He's a
hockey player. It's a camera issue, so we're just taking
over that. But he's actually big and buff and yeah,
so it's just kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, thanks for having me on your podcast.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I'm excited to be here and I'm excited to talk
about faith and spirituality and business and and yeah, it's
gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Very very cool. So I'm going to give you the
floor to actually, why don't you do a quick bio first,
because I'm sure that the the intro that I gave
you was not comprehensive and let people know who you are,
and then we'll dive into your story.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Well, first of all, I want to say that I
am a sinner saved by grace. It is evident throughout
my life that I played hockey. My whole life. I
had a few injuries. Slapshot in the face, shattered my
nose in three different directions, dbated septum, cut the nurse,
my teeth in my mouth, and you know, it was
(03:33):
really from that moment on where I you know, I
just knew that whatever I was doing at that time,
it wasn't working, whatever was doing, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So that's that slapshot on the face.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
It woke me up, and from there on, you know,
I just really leaned on God and you know, in
my next steps and I really just honestly like I
feel like, you know, you know, like how you have
open hands and like, you know, the Lord, whatever you
want to do with my life, I'm all yours. I
know I have plans, but you know, my plans are
your plans, and so I've tried to do my best
(04:04):
to lead that way. So I played hockey in Northwest PA,
won a couple of state championships there, and then went
up to Ottawa and played and played for Cleveland, and
then went overseas and played four years in Europe. I
came home and again just just really challenging, you know
what I was doing after I was playing hockey, and
(04:26):
I started Marketing Ministries, which is now em as Good.
So it's actually the name is Marketing Ministries DBAM is good.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I've been.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Really just building that business for the last twenty four
years and chasing psychology and messaging, and so I just
needed a track to be to just really follow psychology.
So I look at the academic world. I'm not really
like an academic per se. I was not very smart
in high school. I barely passed high school. I just
really wanted to chase information and really just landed on psychology.
(05:02):
So after thirteen years, I just recently defended my last
part of my dissertation December sixth of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Congratulations. Yeah, I'm going to just like that's a big thing. Yay,
God so made it true.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, I did make it through, and I made
it through dissertation, which is really not fun.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Brutal. I've heard brutal, it's brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I never wanted to give up through the process. I
just knew it was going to be a long haul.
And so yeah, so I, you know, except for the
grace of God, there go. I I honestly believe that
with all my heart and spirit that you know, being
committed to something, you know, is just that you're committing
to it, whether it's fun or not, whether emotionally it's
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training or not, you know, you're committing to that process.
And that's what I've done with my company over the years.
So we currently manage, you know, somewhere around one point
six million dollars a month through about thirty eight different
Christian organizations around the world.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know, I've got an awesome team.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You know, we do a lot of messaging, which is
that psychology side of things, and we do a lot
of ad management. And so yeah, that's that's a little snapshot,
very quick of my life. There's lots of little stories
in between, lots of little you know, holy spirit moments.
You know where it's like, you know, you get to
(06:24):
check up from the neck up of like what am
I doing and why is it not working? And you know,
leaning on the scriptures and and yeah, so I really
feel like I am I use analogy with my staff
like you ever see a turtle on a fence post,
you know, and you go, yeah, the first thing you
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see is like you see a turtle on the fence post. First,
all that's weird. The question is how did it get there?
And the answer is not by itself? And that's what
That's what I feel like, really, and so I'm excited
to talk to you today about all the details of
that though.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Very very cool. So, yeah, one point six million a
month in ad spend, like that's a lot of productivity.
How big is your team?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
We have seven full time staff.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Wow, we're nibble, we're Agileish said, we're an agile Christian
ad agency.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
We use a couple of contractors here and there, a
couple ten ninety nine. But for the most part, everything's
internal and there's a lot of detail there and a
lot of more a lot of production meetings on where
we're at, where we're going.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Very cool and so are all of your staff on
board with their faith the same or do you have
different people on different pages.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
No, they're all. They're all believers in Chrest.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You know, I don't really judge their walk and you know,
are they a fully devoted follower Jesus Christ? That's not
my position, sure, but you know, we we definitely have
a morning blitz every morning, you know, which is you know,
entails of you know, clients, where we're at, where we're going,
and then it entails you know, a devo every morning.
(08:10):
So I've been doing a devo with staff. You know,
my staff has turned over over the years, but consistently
we do a devo every morning for the last twenty
four years.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Wow, yeah, God on that. That is so good, so good.
All right, So how did it all start? I know
you said you got the slap shot literally in the face,
slap in the face as far as your Christian walk.
How old were you when that happened?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I was sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
When I was sixteen, Well, I've had two nose surgeries
when I was sixteen. The truth of is that when
I was sixteen, we won the state championship and me
and Buddy went out and got drunk and my brother
came home from Moody Bible Institute, and it was really
just a god timing thing, and just I was really hungover,
(09:05):
and my brother said, Dave, do you want to live
a life like this? And I said no, And he said,
do you want to receive Jesus your learned savior? And
I said yes? And I was sixteen, and I didn't
know what that meant. I was just like, you want
something better than what I'm going through right now, so
Jesus will work. So I really didn't know what that meant.
And so that was kind of the seed. And that
(09:27):
seed really didn't, I don't think, really started to grow
until I was twenty four, twenty three time frame.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah wow, okay, so you you would have been after
college that that seed started to grow. Did you start
your company already? Where were you in your nose?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
So I was twenty four, twenty three, twenty four, I
was still playing hockey in Europe? Oh okay, and I
started my company. I was twenty eight, got it?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Okay? Time in there? Yeah okay, ye.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
All right, So Jesus got a hold of you and
then you that seed started to grow when you were
in Europe. The seeds started to grow. Yeah, So what
happened over there? What made that seed grow?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's a great question. I had met my a very
wonderful woman.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Her name was Laura, and her name is Laura, and
we've been married for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So we met in Europe.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
In this crazy, crazy story there is she's from Pennsylvania.
I was from Pennsylvania. I was from northwest. She was
kind of south of Pittsburgh. I was north of Pittsburgh.
She's the youngest of three.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Women.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I was the youngest of three men, you know, so
our siblings were you know. So it was kind of crazy,
like and we met in Germany from all places, so
just unreal. Wow. So I was like, this is a godsend,
you know of you know, God sending this woman in
my life, and so that that commitments are was the
beginning of you know, what we need to do better?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
M Yeah wow, okay, So she was part of your
journey at the time. What was she doing in Europe?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
She was visiting a friend.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh my gosh, she ain't got that is yeah wow.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So that's just a testament to God can orchestrate the
universe to make sure that you follow your destiny. Right,
Oh so good, okay, So, so tell me about starting
the company.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I came home, I was working for Fox TV, and
I just the whole you know. I came out of
a pro hockey so like it's very flexible, you know.
And so when I started working in corporate America, the
eight the fourth thing and you got to be here
and like it just it would just grind it against
my DNA of what I've been doing. And so I
(12:00):
at the time, I just said, God, what do you
want to do with my life again? And I just
prayed to prayer and I looked down and I don't know,
I didn't see it, but there was there was a
list of about thirty Christian clients that were advertising on
Fox TV. And I was like, oh, wow, that's cool.
I'll start an that agency. What do I call it?
(12:20):
And immediately I got marketing ministries Like it wasn't an
audible voice, it was just this like intuitions to like
marketing ministries, Like that's a dumb name.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And I was like, Lord, what if? What?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And so I didn't know what I was doing. I
had no clue. I got a lawyer to do search
and they said it's available. If you want it, and
I said, maybe God's not so dumb after all. So
I incorporated the company in November two thousand and one,
and I went to that list of those people on
the clients or a list. I went to the list
(12:57):
of clients that were on that sheet, and I told
them in Nova, I'm going to start a company called
market Miserably follow me and brilin. They were like, yeah,
we're with you, like all of them, and I was like,
this is so cool. And so I left the company
in January of two thousand and two and I went
back to that list and they all said what.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
No, no, no, we're not with you. There were three
that said we're with you, Dave, and they're still with
me today.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Wow. Well it doesn't take an army, it just takes
the three room, like.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Gideon, right, yeah, yeah, I never thought of that. That's
really cool.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, it doesn't take thousand, that takes the three hundred. Yeah. Wow,
so good.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
So that whole year I think we build I know,
it was fifteen thousand dollars for the year and that
was hard. Yeah, that was that was hard. And the
second year was like thirty thousand. So the two year,
(14:04):
third year was like it was like two hundred thousand,
and then the fourth year it doubled, and then it
doubled again, and I just haven't looked back.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it took me.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I would say it took about four to five years
for that vision, you know, for that to really kind
of prove itself out that it worked, which is a
whole message in there of like, you know, when you
get that vision of where you want to go and
you have to you know, change the trajectory, how long
is it really going to take?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That is so good? Yeah, and so you were obviously
following the Lord every step of the way, right, Yeah,
I mean because he gave you the name of the
business and you know those first three clients that got
your feet in the water. So good. So so what
(14:54):
did you do? What do you think you did or
God did to double you know so many times?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Well, I first want to say for your audience out there,
like when you when you're an entrepreneur and you've got
a vision from God, a lot of times at least
the stories in the Bible are not God doesn't use
the people that you think he'd do, is right, And
so it's like you got to figure things out and
(15:23):
so God's going to use the you know, just you
know somebody like I just think about. I was a
hockey guy getting in a marketing business, a Christian marketing business.
I didn't know anything, but I knew I had confidence
that I could that I could accomplish something because I
you know, I got a lot of confidence in hockey,
playing hockey. So I believe in myself that I could
(15:45):
do it. And you know, my fiance wife now of
twenty five years, she believed in me that I could
do it. And so that was enough. So I knew
there was going to take some time. I didn't know
how long, but I knew it was. I knew it
was gonna work. I just had to get myself right,
and so I just pushed through. I mean, looking back
(16:07):
on that, I just I just pushed through like it
was going to work even though it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
So were you praying every day? Was that something part
of your Is that part of your devotional that you
were doing with your company or your God time by
yourself or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I had probably three times a week and I still
do do this today, where I find time to be
alone and I have time to ask God.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
What we're doing beautiful, Okay. Yeah, So I heard this song.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I wish I had this song because I've told this
story now a couple of times. There's a song that's
like use me, God, use me God, Oh, God, use me,
you know. And I was listening to that and I
was like, am I usable? Great question, like am I
usable right now? Like, and what am I doing in
(17:06):
my life? Am I usable? And at the time, I
had read the Book of Who You Are. No one's
looking oh h huh, and I just really like, I
think it's Bill Heibel's I was like, you know what,
I need to change some things in my life so
I can be usable.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
And so so that I had, I had, and again
still to this day, I have times where I just
need to be alone. I need to think, and I
need to process. I've never been over spiritual, like I've
heard this voice or you know, I get ideas through
reading the Word of God, right Like, That's that's where
(17:46):
it comes for me. It's an intuition of I think
this is the right thing to do, like I'm going
to go in this direction, let's see what happens, and
if things line up, then I go okay, and I've
always got a lens. I always got a filter where
I'm I'm like, Okay, is this going to hurt somebody?
Is this going to hurt myself? You know, like, because
(18:06):
I do think there is this area where you think
you're doing the right thing, but you're hurting people in
the process. Like I'll give an extreme example. I had
a friend who said of you know, who's married for
twenty years, said, you know, I just woke up one
day and I said, this is this is not the
person I should be married to. And he went on
(18:29):
a dating app and he you know, lied to his
wife and went you know and saw her.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And you know, had sex.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And came back and felt guilty and like, oh no,
like you know, and so they're like there's these things
in our life that like we do that we think,
you know, this is the right direction, but it's not.
It's clearly not like God messed up after twenty years. Whoops,
you weren't supposed to be married to this person in
like like just a mistake. So it's it's always a
lens of like, all right, is this is this?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
You know? Is this the fruits of a spirit? Love? Peace? Patient,
self control? You know? Discipline. Am I am.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I heading in the right direction and is just going
to be good because when it's good, it just it
helps so many people.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's so good. M h. I want to come back
to what you said about that the hockey created confidence
in you and you just kept going because those are
mindset things that we are challenged with. I mean, every
(19:41):
I work with as you do, multi million dollar CEOs
and there still have mindset issues. Right. It doesn't matter
what end of the spectrum you are, we all have.
The enemy uses those little thoughts and those little things
to keep poking at us and telling us, making us
(20:04):
feel unworthy, or breaking our confidence, or saying we need
to give up or something like that. So what were
you doing in those moments when it did get hard
in the beginning that you stood on the confidence? Did you,
like David reminded himself, Oh, I killed the lion and
the bear. I can take a lot giant too, you know?
(20:25):
Or how were you doing it?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah? I think you know.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I don't know if it was like a subconscious thought
or just like you know, I know I can do this.
I'm just not talking to the right people. I need
to get to the right people. How do I get
to the right people. You know, So this is not
like like something that's I'm doing wrong. I'm just I'm
just not talking to the right people here, Like this
is not my core audience. Hockey gave me that confidence
(20:53):
to you know, I think playing sports, you know, when
you get knocked down, it doesn't mean you're a bad player.
It just means you got knocked down, you know, and
so like so you just get up and just keep going.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You know. There, you know, a slapshot in the face,
you know, it is life altering. You know.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I had blood pumping out of my nose. It was
it was like you know, the trainer comes out on
the on the ice and like with the white towel,
puts it on my face and like you know, like
we get to the bench and the towels red. You know,
like that hurt me. That that created all kinds of doubt, insignificance, fear, stress,
(21:32):
you know, and I had to really separate myself from
say that was a freak accident. That's not who you are.
What just happened to you is not who you are.
Don't let it define you. That took a lot of
time to figure that out. So I think that sometimes
when we're talking to executives and you know, like it's
the same situation where you know, what you do is
(21:53):
not who you are. You know, who you are in
Christ is Christ doesn't care about what you're doing. Man,
you went to the glory, you know. So we judge
ourselves by our bank account, our cars, our houses, our
beach homes, our boats, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I didn't care about that stuff, you know.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And so you know, so how do you how do
you self align yourself, you know, to say, Okay, this
is who I am in Christ. I'm the head, not
the tail, right, And so having that confidence, it takes time,
It takes reflection.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So in those moments I can imagine, I mean especially
at sixteen, because you're not even no, I don't know
who you.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Are, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And then you said there was another one twice.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, so it's sixteen.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I got checked from behind and the helmet came down
and snapped the bridge of my nose.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Oh at twenty I got a slapshot in the face.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Oh at twenty oh wow?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Okay, yeah wow.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So so when you were when you're saying that took
a long time to get to realize that it was
just an accident. It didn't define you, It didn't label you,
you know, broken, like unfixable. How were you like, literally
(23:23):
give the audience. I think that the audience. I think
so many people deal with this and so literally give them. Like,
what was that process? You said it was long? You
said it was hard? Okay, So what does long and
hard look like? Is it you know, dark knights of
the soul or that you know, how did what? What?
What did you go through? And how did you pull
(23:45):
yourself up or get you know the tassels of Jesus
robe you know in your hands.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, so this is awesome because what happened to me
is I knew I didn't like myself.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I knew that, and so I believe. So let me
just back up.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Years ago I asked a very very popular pastor, big
pastor won't mention his name here, but I asked Hi
about the dimensions of God. I said, how many dimensions
does God living? And I said one, two, three, four?
And he's like, Dave, God lives in all dimensions. There's
infinite dimensions. And I said, okay, Like what's a different dimension?
(24:28):
He said, Well, he said, what if your words had
to smell. What if color had a feeling, what if
color had to taste? And I kind of I don't
even know if this is accurate. This is just kind
of what helped me. I said, you know what, what
if the way I'm talking about others and myself had
(24:50):
a spiritual smell? I stink and everything around me stinks.
And so I know that's crazy you talk, but I'm like,
so I knew it. Yeah, I think I think there's
some truth to it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Oh, it's biblical. Our prayers are a sweet aroma to
the Lord.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, it's it's in there, blossom.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, so we're speaking out of our mouth can create
a stench, or it can be a sweet aroma.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
There it is.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And so I knew that, And I think God, because
I was mindful of it, God had put some mentors
in my path.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And a mentor said, Dave, you don't like who you are.
You can change it. And I said I can. He said, yeah,
Now this is before digital and you know mobile. But
he said, why don't you turn off the TV for
the next two years and here's thirty books for you
to read? And I said, okay, and so I still
(26:00):
when I tell the story, I still remember the chair
that I had in our town home, you know, back
in two thousand and five, two thousand and three, somewhere
in there where I basically went to work and I
came home for a couple of hours and I read
these books turn off the TV. And so I read
(26:22):
thirty books in two years. And that changed my trajectory significantly.
I believe that altered that altered my genealogy, honestly, because
I had come from a broken broken I just I'm
gonna say this nicely. I just came from an area
(26:43):
where it just wasn't spiritually rich, you know, it was
it was spiritually dead.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah yeah, wow, so good, so good. So let's jump
forward a little bit. Now. You're you're after the fourth
year of your business. So you know that you're you know, successful,
and you're rocking and rolling. You have your team that
(27:10):
you're doing the devots every morning, you are working, you know,
having your alone time, God time at least three times
a week, you know, meeting by yourself. Were you attending
a regular church at that time?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I was, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And were they on the same page with you spiritually?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I mean we're yes.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
At the time, yes, it was a non denominational church.
I was getting fed there for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, this was in Philadelphia or in that area.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
This was in North Carolina, Oh it was.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, so this is I'm twenty eight now twenty nine thirty,
so this is in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, okay, all right, very cool. So what happened next,
either on your spiritual journey or blending like any other
gods stories about business or anything.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, so in two thousand and nine I went over.
It's so crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Like ten years later, after I had been there playing hockey,
I came back on like a business trip. I was
meeting a client in Germany, and so I went to
church near Ramstein Air Base and so it was an
American church with an apostle there. So those are familiar
with an apostle. They're different than a pastor, you know.
(28:27):
This apostle was tied into the Holy Spirit. And I
had just showed up. There was probably a couple hundred
people in the crowd, and he just pointed me out
and said, come up here.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I got a word for you. And I've seen this
happen before. I'm not really Pentecostal. I don't. I'm just not.
It's not that I disagree with it, just not. But
it was.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You know, I've been in Pentecostal churches where you know,
they have the green Blanket team, you know, where like
the pastor of the apostles away and people pass out
and fall out and like, you know, they're doing convulsions
on the floor and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
So I became one of those.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Like, honestly, it happened to my wife was with me,
and like he hit me with the word and I
fell to my knees. My ears got really hot, my
face got really hot. I didn't know what was happening,
and and honestly, really I basically I went back to
my hotel that night. I wrote everything down to what happened,
and I sat on that for a year in two
(29:33):
thousand and nine. I just didn't know what to do
with it.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
And soay about it?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Did you ask the Lord about.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It all the time? Yeah, okay, all the time. I
was like, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And then it came down to this, do I believe
it or do I not believe it? And I basically
came to the inclusion, I have no reason not to
believe it. So then I started pushing on it. I'm like, okay,
I believe this. Let's let's look what this is. And
so I went back and read that over and this
is where our seven came out of. So, you know,
(30:05):
expanding your tents Isaiah sixty eight, sixty sixty eight somewhere
in there where it's talking about you know, you know,
looking for something bigger and you know, moving your your
tense stakes. And so the destiny of the vision, the strategy,
the brand, basically all of our seven came out of this.
And what was crazy about this. God sent me mentors
(30:26):
in every one of those categories for about a year
and I didn't pay for any of it, like experts, wow,
yeah wow. And I didn't even know. Like two or
three years into it, I was like, what is happening?
Why are these people? And I'm like, oh my gosh,
like this is this is our seven? Like God is
sending me angels man, Like this is so cool.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, that's so cool. We're gonna I definitely want
to unpack our seven. And if you know the audience,
you guys know speaking about vision and destiny, that's right.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Up my alley.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
You know, when he starts talking about it our step
and all of me starts vibrating like, oh, that's so
good speaking my language. So our seven came out of
that journey of that moment with God in Germany. But
you sat on it for a year. It's kind of
(31:26):
trying to unpack and saying, Lord, what do you have?
You didn't this for the audience. This is the teaching
point is he didn't just forget about it, you know,
shelve it.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I couldn't. There's no way. It's just sitting there. It's
a huge seed. Like I, yeah, there's no way I
could forget about it. I just didn't know what to
do with it. And it's timing of it. I you know,
I think about you know, when the Israelites are in
the desert and they were led by a blue flame
by night and a cloud by day and I and
(31:59):
that you know when you think about you're in a
desert and you have a cloud, Like if there's no cloud,
you don't survive.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
So how that cloud moved?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
They had to move with that cloud, and they couldn't
get in front of it, they couldn't get behind it.
They couldn't get left or right. But like they had
to stay in that shadow in order to survive. And
that's where I felt like my experience has been of
just understanding when I'm supposed to move is following that cloud,
and sometimes I get it wrong, sometimes I get it right,
you know. And I feel like this twenty four year
(32:30):
career of running one of the largest Christianity dicies in
the world has been this cloud by day in this
blue flame by night, and when to move, when not
to move, and this intuition.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
So that hit in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I sat on it for a year and then mentors
came and so I started just fine tuning it, fine
tuning it over time and just exploring and exploring it.
So in twenty thirteen, fourteen, we rebranded the company Emma's
Good in our seven became our whole entire coaching platform.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Wow. And this is a great place to break this
segment because I really want to unpack all of that
in segment two. So tell everyone where they can find you.
And I also want to mention the book. So why
don't we just quick talk about the book and then
(33:27):
we'll end this segment and go into the next one.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Okay, So I wrote a book.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
It's basically called Vision Wins and it's the R seven process.
I really like fables and so John Gordon's one of
my favorite authors. I happened to meet him and ask
him how I wrote a book, and so when I
decided it was time to write a book, I basically
wrote a fable around R seven.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
So it's Vision Wins. Can find on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
You can catch me through MS Goodmasgod dot com. You know,
there's a lets chat on there if you want to
reach out with any questions about the podcast or questions
just in general, I'd be happy to ask him, but
you can you can reach me there.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Very cool. Thank you so much, doctor Dave Jones, the
newly crowned doctor. That must feel so good. Oh yeah,
you'll you fit your You'll fit into it and it'll
just be natural. You've been working on it so long.
(34:28):
So congratulations on that once again. And so you guys,
if you want to get his book, I can tell you,
even even in this episode one, you haven't heard about
that our seven process yet. We've just given you little tasters.
But get that book because his process is amazing. You know,
it's up my alley. When we're talking about vision and
destiny and all on how to get there. So go
(34:51):
ahead and go over to msgood dot com look him up,
find his book and get go over to the podcast
is on YouTube. Correct, yes, yeah, so follow him, subscribe
to the YouTube channel and follow that podcast. That would
be really really good. Okay, you guys. So next next
(35:11):
week for the audience, you will get part two, we're
gonna talk more about what Emma's good is what he
does with his clients, and he's probably gonna drop some
really good gold nuggets about marketing. And we're gonna unpack
that our summon process. All right, until next time day
Spirit Center Piece out. Hey there, SCB peeps. I want
(35:36):
to give a huge shout out and deep appreciation and
thanks to Candace Benton. She has become a super sponsor
for the Spirit Centered Business show, so I would appreciate
you helping me in sending blessings and abundance back to her.
Thank you so much, Candace, and you are well loved.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Thank you for listening to Spirit Centered Business with Berlin Nuby.
Be sure to like subscribe and share with your friends.
The next age of doing business by being spirit centered
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Speaker 3 (36:19):
Peace Out
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