June 12, 2025 • 34 mins
Hi friends, Bralynn here! In this deep and joy-filled conversation with my dear friend Virginia Killingsworth, we covered so much ground—from divine downloads and spiritual blueprints to real-world tech struggles and how to steward God-given visions through mentorship, strategy, and community. We laughed, reminisced, and got very real about the challenges and rewards of stepping into something new.
Virginia opened up about the spiritual initiation that launched her next phase, how God handed her a blueprint, and what it’s really taken to bring that vision to life. We talked about the beautiful tension between deep spiritual formation and practical logistics, how groups can become containers for transformation, and why this online era is a lifeline for kingdom pioneers scattered across the globe.Whether you’re building a mentoring group, pioneering new territory, or just trying to follow what God’s put in your heart, this conversation will both inspire and equip you. Enjoy!
BIO:
For over 30 years, Virginia Killingsworth has ministered to children, teens, and families in residential settings and has pastored people in a vast array of situations. She accesses the wisdom of heaven to enable people to understand and cooperate with the Father throughout their unique spiritual maturation process. She is skilled at untangling even the most complex stronghold and releasing Holy Spirit’s healing and freedom into the deep places of the soul. Her passion is to help people identify and walk in the fullness of their destinies and to live victoriously from heaven to earth.
HIGHLIGHTS:
– Join Overshadowed: Virginia’s group mentorship program—birthed by a divine blueprint and brought to life through practical support (shout-out to Bralynn!). It’s a s
Virginia opened up about the spiritual initiation that launched her next phase, how God handed her a blueprint, and what it’s really taken to bring that vision to life. We talked about the beautiful tension between deep spiritual formation and practical logistics, how groups can become containers for transformation, and why this online era is a lifeline for kingdom pioneers scattered across the globe.Whether you’re building a mentoring group, pioneering new territory, or just trying to follow what God’s put in your heart, this conversation will both inspire and equip you. Enjoy!
BIO:
For over 30 years, Virginia Killingsworth has ministered to children, teens, and families in residential settings and has pastored people in a vast array of situations. She accesses the wisdom of heaven to enable people to understand and cooperate with the Father throughout their unique spiritual maturation process. She is skilled at untangling even the most complex stronghold and releasing Holy Spirit’s healing and freedom into the deep places of the soul. Her passion is to help people identify and walk in the fullness of their destinies and to live victoriously from heaven to earth.
HIGHLIGHTS:
- Your blueprint comes with grace.
When God gives you a vision, He also releases the grace to walk it out—but you have to partner with Him for learning and stewarding it according to His will. Spiritual maturity unlocks new levels of authority and responsibility. - Spiritual downloads require natural action.
Receiving a divine strategy isn't enough; implementation matters. That’s where support, systems, and mentors come in. - Spirit-led deconstruction is not destruction — it’s transformation.
Virginia talked about how God sometimes brings “total annihilation” — not to destroy us, but to prune, refine, and rebuild on a Kingdom blueprint. It’s not always comfy, but it’s deeply fruitful. - We’re in a cosmic shift — the old wineskin is being dismantled.
This isn’t just a personal journey. We’re all living in a time where God is shaking up systems, structures, and spiritual norms. The old container can’t hold what’s coming — and that includes how we do groups, church, and business. - Don’t Abandon Connection—Redefine It
Just because the old church model is fading doesn’t mean we’re not meant to gather. We’re wired for connection, so we need to ask: “What does the new thing look like, and how do we birth it?” - Hold Fast to Eternal Principles
We can’t throw out the core truths—but we must let go of the forms they once took. Not everyone is in the same place spiritually—designing entry points into your community and setting expectations keeps the group strong. - Ecclesia is not a hangout.
It's not even a prayer and worship gathering. True ecclesia is governmental—it’s about authority, alignment, getting Father’s will for a situation and bringing heaven’s justice into the earth. - You need language alignment.
A shared vocabulary builds unity. Courses or launch pads help bring group members to the same spiritual "page." - Tech will make or break your group.
Free tools often don’t integrate well. Investing in good tech saves massive headaches later. - It’s okay to phase your business.
Don’t launch everything at once. Tier your offers and grow with grace—just like Virginia’s 3-tier mentorship model. - Mentorship requires flexibility and flow.
It’s not one-size-fits-all. Be prepared to adjust and pivot as your group’s needs emerge. - Kingdom communities must be cultivated.
Many people don’t have a church that speaks their language. Online mentoring groups fill that gap beautifully. - Don't despise humble beginnings.
Rocky starts, tech challenges, and clunky systems are part of the process—God still uses them. - Teaching vs. facilitating is a balance.
Mature groups don’t always need constant teaching—they need space to practice governing, collaborate, and grow. - God is in the structure, too.
Strategy, systems, tech, and leadership all carry the anointing when they’re aligned with His vision.
– Join Overshadowed: Virginia’s group mentorship program—birthed by a divine blueprint and brought to life through practical support (shout-out to Bralynn!). It’s a s
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've got one foot in the old wine skin, which
is what all that most of us have ever known,
and it's being dismantled. You know, we might want to
blame the devil, but it's God's hand that's dismantling the
old wind skin because it's too small. And we've got
one foot in this new thing, and we can kind
of feel it's going to be awesome, but we have
no idea what it's going to look like. And I said, Lord,
(00:20):
I don't know how to do this. You know, how
do I do it? And he just said, hold fast
to return principles because we are, you know, as a
transition generation, we're called to be faithfully stewarding this.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to the Spirit Centered Business podcast. Well we blend
the spiritual with the practical for supernatural results. Now here's
your host, Berlin Nuby.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hello, they're welcome to Spirit centervis a. I'm for Lynn Nuby,
your host, and I am back with Virginia Killings where
she's been on a couple of times. She's a dear
friend and oh my gosh, she's a mentor to me.
I love her stuff. And if you have missed her
in the past, you'll want to go back to her story.
Let's see, it was episodes in May of twenty three,
(01:14):
was the very first time when you told your story.
I know it's been so long. And then last year
episode two hundred and two hundred one. We celebrated two
hundred with you last year in August, so you guys
will definitely want to go check those out. And today
we're going to talk about some things that I help
business owners with, and we want to talk about groups
(01:40):
and the process of scaling your business with a membership plan,
and then also what to expect when you're when you're
on a spiritual journey or when it's a different, you know,
community kind of group. We're just going to talk about
the ins and outs of all of that and see
where Holy Spirit takes us.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
So welcome back, Virginia.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Thank you Brillan. It's always so much fun to be
here with you. I just love you so much.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh, thank you, dear one. I love you too. You
know that at Eat your Stuff Up?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh I heard you were over at glad Tidings over
at Chico. That's all.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh, how was that?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh? It was so fun? And I was invited to
go back. I'm going to go back for the conference
on human trafficking and the training.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, so I don't track with them, Go ahead, well,
just some you know how you kind of you have
different seasons in your life and then you move on
to the next season and it seems completely disconnected, like
you know one eighty. You know, I know I'm following
the Lord, but this has nothing to do with that,
(02:58):
and you just, you know, you roll with it, and
then you know, this feels like a season that so
many seasons of my life, stuff that seemed random, is
all coming together in like one package. And I'm looking
at it, going, wow, Lord, you're pretty smart. You know,
all these things at repreparation and seemed complete or like
(03:19):
a utter fail or at the very least completely random,
was not random at all. And you know, you just
keep growing, you keep saying yes to God, you keep
going higher on him, you let him go deeper in you,
and then he puts you in a situation when you go, wow,
I've been prepared my whole life for this, so it's crazy, unexpected,
(03:40):
totally caught me off guard. But you know, I've been
in a season where the Lord last year, You've heard
me talk about my spiritual classrooms. I think I've probably
talked about that on here. And how sent me in
summer school because I was behind, and then he sent
me to a king's classroom. That kind of kicked my
butt a little bit, because you know, I was trolled
a lot, so go I finally graduated that king's classroom
(04:06):
in the spirit I popped out in this co creation
classroom and I was it was like I was in
the middle of this violent whirlwind, but it was peaceful.
I knew it was. I know, I knew I was
in his heart, but there was mathematical formulas and lightning
and body parts. I mean, it was this crazy place.
And my first, now immature cardinal thought was I made it.
(04:29):
Let me just start all this stuff I've been contending
for all this time. Let me and this. The fear
of the Lord came over me and it was like,
you better say anything. And that began a season where
the Lord has showed me. It's like, you know the
Hebrew words for formless and void in Genesis or tohuo
who and it's you know, it's a Hebrew like a ryme,
(04:51):
you know, a rhyme, but it's it's the Lord kept
saying to me, this is about total annihilation, and I'm
kind of like, okay, this is gonna be fun. And
it was. It was just but he's you know, I
come to him, I'm like, are we okay, and you know,
just yeah, yeah, you're good. You know, he would remind
(05:13):
me of just take me back to the word. You know,
when you produce fruit, fruit, I prune you so you
can produce more fruit. Just just be annihilated. You know,
you can try, you can. We've been here before. You
didn't understand it as well as you do now. But
you know, he would remind me, Okay, you know, I've
got a good track record here, and so I feel
like some of the things that are happening in this
(05:34):
season are you know, coming out of my total annihilation for.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Oh my gosh, girlfriend, Oh yeah, not at all.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's Walking with the Lord is not boring, is it?
Oh yeah, No.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I saw a great meme with this this kid hanging
on to a roller coaster for dear life, and he's like,
and he goes, that's that's the Walk with the Lord.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, Christianity is not boring, definitely.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So the first time you were here, we talked about
Miracles Are Normal, which is your co creating. And then
the next time, I think we talked about Restoring the
Ancient Paths, and we're talking about her books and her courses,
her the Miracles our normal course, and then the Ancient
Restoring the Ancient Paths is a second book. And so
I listened to glad Tidi's but it was a while ago.
(06:29):
Refreshed my memory because I've listened to so many things
of yours. So which what were you talking about over there?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, at first I was invited just to do a
women's conference, so I did a little. I did talk
about a little bit of Miracles Are Normal. I talked
a little bit about the radical shift that we're in.
But then to stay longer and to speak in the
Saturday night and the Sunday morning services, so I talked
a little bit about just the shift that the cosmos
(06:56):
is in, right, the dismantling of the old wineskin unto
the new wine skin. You know, we've got one foot
in the old wine skin, which is what all that
most of us have ever known, and it's being dismantled.
You know, we might want to blame the devil, but
it's God's hand that's dismantling the old wine skin because
it's too small, and we've got one foot in this
new thing and we can kind of feel it's gonna
(07:18):
be awesome, but we have no idea what it's going
to look like. And so I talked a little bit
about that transition and just how to move through it
and some stuff that the Lord encouraged me within that,
and then I talked a little bit about the Sunday morning,
I was a little more I was a little more conservative,
talked about just living out of heaven. Some basic principles
we're seated with in heavenly places and that is real,
(07:40):
and how do we really walk in that? What does
that really mean in our daily lives experientially?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's so good. I don't really track that
closely with that church, but I know that it's pastor Dave.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Is that his name, Dave?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, I've seen him the podcast and I've heard history
and it's pretty amazing. And some of the other the
people that I track with do go there so or
have spoken there. So that's how you you popped up
on my feet. I'm like Virginia Killings, weren't that glad tidings,
no way.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It was the perfect timing and it was so funny.
The pastor's wife, Cheryl, picked me up in the car
and she is a she is a doll, and he
has talked and talked and talked, and she looked at me,
she goes, We're sisters. It was like one of those
things where you just instantly connect and it was just
you know, and we get out of the car at
the retreat. The retreat was in Lake Tahoe. It was beautiful.
This guy's helping with our luggage and stuff. He looked,
(08:40):
he goes, are you two sisters? And we're like yes,
and we're like.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Oh, so real.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think it was real timely. You know, it was
one of those intersections. It's like you know a lot
of the same people. You know, you hear about them,
and you know, you know a lot of common common threads,
but you you intersect when it's time to intersect.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well, I was thinking we were going to talk about
your new group. But I think that what you just
mentioned is pretty important. Dismantling the old wine skin and
being in a season of letting God reconstruct you or
actually deconstruct, and unfortunately there's a you know, there's a
deconstruction movement that's not so good, that's not appropriate. But
(09:26):
the Lord is doing deconstructing of the old wine skin.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
In a in the an appropriate way, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And and actually that kind of does lend towards groups
because we never know where people are on their spiritual journey.
And sometimes people are coming in and they're pretty broken
or they're pretty you know, they have wels across their
psyche from the woundings they've had in church, you know,
the religious spirit and the programming and the spiritual abuse
(09:57):
and the crazy stuff that happens. And so sometimes when
they do come into groups, so we have to talk
about this kind of stuff. So I guess it does
kind of go together. But I want to hear your
take on it. I know what my take is.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I want to hear yours on the on the transition
that we're in.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, uh Well.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I fell down this rabbit hole a couple of years ago.
I'm just sitting with the Lord and he says to me,
he says, hey, why do you think Isaac and John
the Baptists were born of parents who were reproductively dead?
And I was like, it was so out of the blue,
I'm like, uh oh, quite.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So was Samuel. Well, if Hannah had been barren.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Hannah had been barren. But Isaac, I mean Abraham and
Sarah and Zecharias and Elizabeth were past the age of childbearing,
That's true. That's a whole different thing. They you know,
Hebrews eleven says Abraham and Sarah were as their bodies
were as good as dead. So I'm not able to
bring forth life. I mean, Hannah had a barren this issue.
(11:02):
But that's a little bit different than being ninety years old,
you know even that.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Okay, all right, yep.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So I just fell down this rabbit hole and he
started to showing, and then and then he started connecting
dots with what is actually happening in the cosmos. And
you know, you know we I think we probably talked
about this when we talked about on my book Restoring
the Ancient Past, how the adversarya has stolen all these technologies,
like the Gospel written in the stars, right, I mean,
(11:32):
most churches, if you got up on Sunday morning you
started talking about the stars, they'd kick you out because
they think you're you know, they think you were a
psychic or you know whatever. And but you know, Romans
One talks very much about that that he's written the
Gospel for all mankind to see, so that we're all
(11:52):
with that, we're we're without excuse. And so you know
there and there's really old books. You know, there's a
book by E. W. Bollinger called The andes Is of
the Stars talking about how the stars and the constellations
actually have told tell the Gospel story. And so this
is you know, this is not new. And you know
a lot of people believe that the wise men that
(12:14):
came to Jesus were actually descendants, you know, they were
wise men from the East or whatever. A lot of
people believe that they were had been mentored, you know,
down through the generations, going all the way back to
Daniel and his friends when they were in Babylon, right action.
So you know, so anyway he should he was first
(12:35):
starting to teach me about this, and he showed me
I learned from a science perspective about this thing called
the procession of the equinoxes. And you know when the
Earth moves into a different constellation every two thousand years,
give or take. And you know, we know that back
in the sixties, you know that song, this is the
dawning of the Age of Aquarius or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Enemy.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Right. He always he'll try to get something out out
of timing, right, he'll try to preempt something, you know,
but he knows what's happening, and he can't stop it
from happening. He's not sovereign. He's just been watching mankind
for eon. So I think he's you know, we're told
to beware of his wiles, right, But he's not. You know,
(13:18):
he's not creator. He's a thief. And so anyway, the
Lord started teaching me about that and really showing me
that the earth was moving from Pisces, which, if you
think about it, that's the fish, right, And wouldn't that
that you know, do you ever have one of those
little Jesus fish on the back of your car.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I never got into that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Now I confess I did have one. At the time,
I thought it was so cool, but you know, that
was And I had a friend, a very good friend,
who actually trained me, and you know, had a deal
with victims of satanical ritual abuse and disassociated disorder. He
was an Egyptian Coptic Christian and he had tattooed on
his wrist as kind of like a you know, like
(14:00):
you would show that to other people like a secret
sign kind of thing, because there was a little bit
of you know, a little bit of religious persecution in
Egypt when you know, before the United States. So anyway,
you know, the Pisces is what we think of when
we think of you know, Christianity. And but you know,
we know that an aquarius is the picture of the
(14:20):
the you know, the picture of water being poured out,
and the Lord showed me. I forget the reference now.
I think it might be like Matthews seventeen. I might
have that wrong, but that when Jesus sent out his
disciples and he said, hey, when you go into this
certain town, when you see the man with the picture
of water on his shoulder, follow him into the house
where he goes. And you know, the constellations are also
(14:43):
called houses. So I believe that was the Lord. You know,
he's spoken, He's spoken many dimensions, right, So we could
just take it at face value, or we could go deeper, deeper,
deeper into all infinity.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
The word is living, multidimensional. So I think that was
speaking to us. Hey, don't afraid to find this transition
into this outpouring, and the Lord and I believe we moved.
You know, science, it's not an exact science, right because
of the you know, it's not an exact number of years,
because the constellations are a little different sizes and how
(15:15):
you know exactly when you move in there. But the
Lord showed me there something that had to do with
this star name Regulus or whatever. And I believe that
the Earth moved into Pace into Aquarius out of Pisces
in twenty twelve. And when I was really researching this,
not from a spiritual perspective, from a science perspective, which
which I thought that was cool. You know, when the
(15:36):
two come together. I always like that. And he reminded me, well,
he said, hey, you know the Mayan calendar ended in
twenty twelve, didn't it. And he showed me that it
was because they were really and it's a demonic religion,
but they could not see past the age of religion
into the age of the outpouring. So and we know
(15:57):
outpouring has to do with the wine. You know that
he's going to pour out and it has to be
a white you said at the beginning, you know, the
new wine can't be poured into old wineskins they'll burst,
you know, And so it's an exciting time. It's difficult
because you know, like Abraham, you know, and Sarah, Zecharia
and Elizabeth had to watch their bodies die basically, you know,
(16:21):
while they have all these promises right and they had
to move through that death. And so that's kind of
where a lot of us have been. Well, Lord, didn't
you say, x y Z and I had this vision
of this, you know, but we were putting it in
our little, tiny church boxes and we're having to allow
those things to die. And it's hard. I mean, it's
(16:43):
even hard when you have a grid for what that
it's unto something better, it's even still difficult. But when
you don't have any grid at all for that, it's
really easy just to get disillusioned and to walk away
or whatever. I'm like the Disciples, Where would I go?
You know, I'm real, there's nowhere else. I'll just hang
in there and see what happens. But you know, it
would be easy to just become very you know, hope
(17:07):
deferred makes the heart sick. And you know, these seasons
are difficult, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, I first heard about that with Christopher Carter, you know,
in twenty seventeen or whenever, whenever the when the Blood
Moons were happening, whenever that season was. That was right
around the time that I was meeting Christopher. And he
has a book Cosmic Shift that if anyone wants to
(17:34):
dive more into that, or the eg Bullinger book that
Virginia mentioned.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, you know, it was really interesting. I Christopher Carter
lives in Florida, he's not too did he's not too
far from us, and we never got to meet. But
when I released this, because I just got this, I've
never heard anybody talk about this. Afterwards, people were like, oh,
you know, you must know Chris Carter. I've never read
his book. I've never met at him. We did do
(18:02):
like a zoom a zoom prayer for somebody before, but
that and that was so cool because it was just
straight from the mouth of the father, and you hear
somebody else that got something so similar, it's like, Okay,
I'm not crazy here.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, very good, Yeah, very cool. Okay, So so yeah,
it is an exciting time to be alive. One of
the things the challenges that you and I both face though,
is moving people into their next you know, because they're
so holding on to the other, to the old and
(18:41):
you know, holding on to the church age, holding on
to the last revelation, holding on to the traditions and
the things that God is doing a new thing. You know,
his his hand has moved and the cloud has moved on.
And sometimes it's hard to help people let go, and
(19:02):
we also have to do it. I'm not saying that
I've arrived here, that I'm perfect. I just you know,
there's always stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, it's challenging. And I said, I said, that's such
a good point. I said to the Lord. I said, Lord,
I'm saying, yes, but I don't know how to do this.
What do I do? And he said something so cool
to me. He said, hold, we.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Missed a little bit because you're breaking up there.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Can you just repeat about two sentences back?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Okay. I just said, you've got such a good point.
Let me just check. I think my internet's okay, let
me just double check and make sure that. Yeah. Yeah,
it was like, I'm good. I just you know, you
have such a good point. That it is, you know
what the challenges and us moving and helping people to
(19:50):
move through. And I said, Lord, I don't know how
to do this, you know, how do I do it?
And he just said, hold fast to eternal principles because
we are, you know, as a transition generation, we're called
to be faithfully steward this thing. That's we can't fail
(20:11):
on it as much as we'd sometimes like to. And
he said, hold fast to eternal principles, but be quick
to allow that the superficial faces of those things to
morphine change, right. And so I think people can air
on one side or the other, you know, they can
be quick to throw out things that we can't. We
don't need to throw out, you know, but but we
(20:34):
have to allow. You know, we're created for connection right
with God and with each other. So it's some people
have you know, oh forget you know, I'm not doing
a church thing or whatever, which is okay that we
let the old wine skin go, But what does the
new thing look like? And how do we help to birth?
That is what we need to be asking right in
our own lives and you know, in our in our
(20:57):
you know, in our you know, in all that's been
given to us to steward.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
So so what challenges are you seeing in your new
group as far as what what do people need the
most that you were able to serve them within the
new group. And by the way, the new group is
called overshadowed. Congratulations on starting it.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well, it would have never happened without you, Berlin. I
didn't even know where to start. I just Berlin knows this,
but just for those that are watching, I felt like
I got a blueprint for a you know, three chier
mentorship program, but I didn't know. I didn't know what
to do. I didn't know how to get it, you know.
So she has been so amazing just as a vision
(21:44):
but also the implementation. So it would have never gotten
off the ground without you, Berlin. I'm so grateful. And
she's had endless patients with all the little you know,
things come up when you're doing something new, and so
she's had immense patients with all of that. But I
think one of the challenges is just you know, people
(22:05):
can be in very very different places, right, So we
want to and we all have cracks in our foundation
or blind spots right because of things that are you know,
my history, things that I might have missed on my
spiritual journey, or just familiar things that are maybe still
unhealthy that are familiar to me and you might see
but I might be blind to you. And so we're
(22:26):
all in such different places. So I think it can
be challenging for the facilitator as well as for people
to Okay, we're going to do a little bit of
remedial work, make sure everybody's on the same page without
getting bogged down. We're still gonna We're still going to
explore some new things, you know, and and forge ahead,
(22:47):
and so that is very challenging.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, that's that's one of the biggest things that I
have seen with an ongoing group when people can join
at any time, is people who've been with you for
a while don't want to go back to the basics,
and then the people who are just coming in are
lost because you don't.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Go back to the basics exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
So that's why I actually had I had my business Ecleca,
and we were running that. I ran that thing for
like probably like five years from twenty eighteen and I
think I just let it go in the end of
twenty twenty three, so about a year and a half ago,
or maybe a year ago, I don't remember, but anyway,
so that was one of those instances where I tried
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not to do a lot of teaching. But you know,
you already had to be at a level where you
can function as an ecclesia. And an ecclesia means you're
a governing body. It means you understand how to take authority,
how to go look get the will of God for
a situation, and then pray into it, you know, do
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a court case, do whatever needs to happen, a redemption
or something so that you can bring His will into
the earth over that situation.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
So you had to be at a.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Certain level in order to even function as part of
an eclacia. And I didn't realize that. I didn't, you know,
I was thinking, you know, I'm just like I'm joining
arms with a bunch of friends and we're gonna go
do this thing.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
You know, we did the.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Same thing in our local body. Does not mean that
you're able to function.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
It, I know, right, And Timothy Bentce will tell you
it's a governing body, it's not a gathering, okay, right,
Oh my gosh. So so that that was a challenge,
and you know, I have different levels of groups now,
and there is like I have a question air to
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just to make sure that they're kind of ready to
be in the group. And then I have like a
launch pad of a course that they need to take
so that everybody kind of has the same language. Those
things have helped to get people at a level where
they're functioning or they're no one feels lost, or people
(25:09):
aren't bored or you.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Know, so that's good, that's so good.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
It does help.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I know that you're you're, what of four or five
months in, Like tonight is literally a meeting we just
happened to record.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
On this day.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, so have you has have you kind of
settled into what the vibe is going to be yet?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Or are you still kind of figuring it out.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
We're still Yeah, we're still kind of trying to find
our flow. And I think a lot of that. We
had a very rocky start because not because of anybody,
but just because of a lot of technical stuff. The
first two we're you know a little bit like whoo,
what just happened? So we're kind of starting to find
our flow. And I'm starting to find my flow. So yeah,
(25:58):
it's coming. It's coming.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
On a business and groups are so leveraged and scalable
that it's an amazing strategy for your business. And so
I'm so glad that you've implemented after this time, I
know I was getting you to go and then and
then the other thing that I would want to say
to business owners is the we had so many tech
(26:24):
challenges because we had a shoestring budget, and so we
were trying to figure out all of the free things
that would integrate.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
With each other.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
But of course the free technology is designed purposely not
to integrate with each other, and so we had challenges
that way. So I guess that would be one cautionary
tale to business owners who want to start a group,
if possible, don't go with free stuff. Pay the upgrade
(26:57):
of the platforms so that you can have integration that
actually works and you don't have to band aid things
and you know, pick three three steps to get a
half a one done.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And you know, and you guys, you know you you guys,
and you know your tech team did an amazing job
with this little Frankenstein. It was no, really, yeah, it's
an amazing job.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
We we learned a lot, we learned a lot of
ways it didn't work, and and but we'd learned how
it did work too, and it is running and it
is functioning, and you know, as a as a business owner,
sometimes you have to make an investment in something that
you know is going to pay off later, and groups
(27:48):
is definitely one of those things because you want to invest,
like Virginia definitely did, in a team to build it
for you, and then invest in the technology to get
the so that everything is just running smoothly. People can
find it, buy it, get in, get out, get the notifications,
(28:10):
get all of the emails, you know, interact with each other,
you know, operate within the system, all of the stuff
that it takes to run an online group. You know,
think about those things. But I would even even with
the challenges Virginia, I would still say, yeah, go for it.
(28:32):
It's such a It's if you're creating community in a
place for people who don't typically have a place that
where people talk the same language, because sometimes they can't
find people who speak their language in church.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's why the online
groups are so so crucial in this transition, because I think,
you know, we're all at different places in the transition,
and that's by divine design. It's not like the pioneers
are better than this. We work together, right, and so
because of that, the people that are really going for
(29:07):
the you know, the new the new wine kind of
thing that are kind of on the on the cusp
of that, are a little bit scattered right now. So
we're finding you know, I have another online group that's
more prayer and encounter and we've got people from Taiwan,
from Germany, from Ireland, from the UK, Canada. Because we're
(29:29):
just scattered right now. So I think that this is
really you know, it's no coincidence that we talked about
transition and then talked about groups, because I think the
two are really connected. You know, online and technology is
a blessing and that we can connect with other people.
There might not be fifty people in my town or
(29:50):
my city that understands what I'm talking about or is
even interested in it, but there's fifty around the globe
that can, you know, that can meet online and are
hungry for the things I'm hungry for. So it's I
think it's super important right now.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, Yeah, that's really good. Wow.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I just looked at the time and we've been going
about half an hour. I think we need to land
the plane for part one, but I want to give
you the last word, and I mean we really talked
in general about groups and the importance of this time
and stuff. But any last thoughts, and then in the
next one we're gonna let's go deeper into what's in
Overshadowed in the next part two.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Okay, Okay, I think that's it. I think ok I
hovered it pretty we went. We went into the crossmas
and back pretty well.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
We did. We did literally navigated the star system.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Oh my gosh, so good.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Okay, So let's just tell people where they can find
you and find your group. Go ahead, that's dot com. Okay,
Virginia Killingsworth dot com, and go ahead. It's called the
Overshadowed and it's on the it's one of the tiers
(31:08):
of the mentoring.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
It's tier two of the mentoring. Tier one.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Let me just explain it to the peeps. Tier one
is the Miracles are Normal book and the online course,
so it's a do it yourself level at tier one.
Tier two is the group. So it would be helpful
for you to have done the book and the course,
but you don't need to in tier two and you're
(31:34):
meeting live with Virginia and the other group and you
have a place to like a forum to talk to
each other and chat to each other between.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Meetings and everything.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And then tier three is one on one coaching.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Have you launched that yet?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I have not launched that yet. I'm I'm We're focusing
on our local our local Eclacia, our local body for
since they're you know, boots on the ground in the
trenches with us here. And then once we you know,
once we get a few people trained and kind of
can you know where I can take on a few,
(32:11):
then I'll open that up.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Sure that totally makes sense, yep. And that is the
way that you phase your business. Okay, So online, online, course,
a group and then one on one coming soon. You
can find all of that at Virginia Killingsworth dot com.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
You can also check out her YouTube.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Channel, but those links are also it can be found
on the website, so check out her YouTube. She has
a lot of good teaching. She has a lot of
good worship stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
We don't really talk about that. She is a worship leader,
you guys.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So she has amazing CDs and soaking music and dancing
music and worship and praise and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
You can find all of that on the website as well.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
All right, time to land the plane and on til
next time, Stay spirit centered.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Peace out.
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Peace Out.
We've got one foot in the old wine skin, which
is what all that most of us have ever known,
and it's being dismantled. You know, we might want to
blame the devil, but it's God's hand that's dismantling the
old wind skin because it's too small. And we've got
one foot in this new thing, and we can kind
of feel it's going to be awesome, but we have
no idea what it's going to look like. And I said, Lord,
(00:20):
I don't know how to do this. You know, how
do I do it? And he just said, hold fast
to return principles because we are, you know, as a
transition generation, we're called to be faithfully stewarding this.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to the Spirit Centered Business podcast. Well we blend
the spiritual with the practical for supernatural results. Now here's
your host, Berlin Nuby.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hello, they're welcome to Spirit centervis a. I'm for Lynn Nuby,
your host, and I am back with Virginia Killings where
she's been on a couple of times. She's a dear
friend and oh my gosh, she's a mentor to me.
I love her stuff. And if you have missed her
in the past, you'll want to go back to her story.
Let's see, it was episodes in May of twenty three,
(01:14):
was the very first time when you told your story.
I know it's been so long. And then last year
episode two hundred and two hundred one. We celebrated two
hundred with you last year in August, so you guys
will definitely want to go check those out. And today
we're going to talk about some things that I help
business owners with, and we want to talk about groups
(01:40):
and the process of scaling your business with a membership plan,
and then also what to expect when you're when you're
on a spiritual journey or when it's a different, you know,
community kind of group. We're just going to talk about
the ins and outs of all of that and see
where Holy Spirit takes us.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
So welcome back, Virginia.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Thank you Brillan. It's always so much fun to be
here with you. I just love you so much.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh, thank you, dear one. I love you too. You
know that at Eat your Stuff Up?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh I heard you were over at glad Tidings over
at Chico. That's all.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah, Oh my gosh, how was that?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh? It was so fun? And I was invited to
go back. I'm going to go back for the conference
on human trafficking and the training.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, so I don't track with them, Go ahead, well,
just some you know how you kind of you have
different seasons in your life and then you move on
to the next season and it seems completely disconnected, like
you know one eighty. You know, I know I'm following
the Lord, but this has nothing to do with that,
(02:58):
and you just, you know, you roll with it, and
then you know, this feels like a season that so
many seasons of my life, stuff that seemed random, is
all coming together in like one package. And I'm looking
at it, going, wow, Lord, you're pretty smart. You know,
all these things at repreparation and seemed complete or like
(03:19):
a utter fail or at the very least completely random,
was not random at all. And you know, you just
keep growing, you keep saying yes to God, you keep
going higher on him, you let him go deeper in you,
and then he puts you in a situation when you go, wow,
I've been prepared my whole life for this, so it's crazy, unexpected,
(03:40):
totally caught me off guard. But you know, I've been
in a season where the Lord last year, You've heard
me talk about my spiritual classrooms. I think I've probably
talked about that on here. And how sent me in
summer school because I was behind, and then he sent
me to a king's classroom. That kind of kicked my
butt a little bit, because you know, I was trolled
a lot, so go I finally graduated that king's classroom
(04:06):
in the spirit I popped out in this co creation
classroom and I was it was like I was in
the middle of this violent whirlwind, but it was peaceful.
I knew it was. I know, I knew I was
in his heart, but there was mathematical formulas and lightning
and body parts. I mean, it was this crazy place.
And my first, now immature cardinal thought was I made it.
(04:29):
Let me just start all this stuff I've been contending
for all this time. Let me and this. The fear
of the Lord came over me and it was like,
you better say anything. And that began a season where
the Lord has showed me. It's like, you know the
Hebrew words for formless and void in Genesis or tohuo
who and it's you know, it's a Hebrew like a ryme,
(04:51):
you know, a rhyme, but it's it's the Lord kept
saying to me, this is about total annihilation, and I'm
kind of like, okay, this is gonna be fun. And
it was. It was just but he's you know, I
come to him, I'm like, are we okay, and you know,
just yeah, yeah, you're good. You know, he would remind
(05:13):
me of just take me back to the word. You know,
when you produce fruit, fruit, I prune you so you
can produce more fruit. Just just be annihilated. You know,
you can try, you can. We've been here before. You
didn't understand it as well as you do now. But
you know, he would remind me, Okay, you know, I've
got a good track record here, and so I feel
like some of the things that are happening in this
(05:34):
season are you know, coming out of my total annihilation for.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Oh my gosh, girlfriend, Oh yeah, not at all.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's Walking with the Lord is not boring, is it?
Oh yeah, No.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I saw a great meme with this this kid hanging
on to a roller coaster for dear life, and he's like,
and he goes, that's that's the Walk with the Lord.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, Christianity is not boring, definitely.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So the first time you were here, we talked about
Miracles Are Normal, which is your co creating. And then
the next time, I think we talked about Restoring the
Ancient Paths, and we're talking about her books and her courses,
her the Miracles our normal course, and then the Ancient
Restoring the Ancient Paths is a second book. And so
I listened to glad Tidi's but it was a while ago.
(06:29):
Refreshed my memory because I've listened to so many things
of yours. So which what were you talking about over there?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, at first I was invited just to do a
women's conference, so I did a little. I did talk
about a little bit of Miracles Are Normal. I talked
a little bit about the radical shift that we're in.
But then to stay longer and to speak in the
Saturday night and the Sunday morning services, so I talked
a little bit about just the shift that the cosmos
(06:56):
is in, right, the dismantling of the old wineskin unto
the new wine skin. You know, we've got one foot
in the old wine skin, which is what all that
most of us have ever known, and it's being dismantled.
You know, we might want to blame the devil, but
it's God's hand that's dismantling the old wine skin because
it's too small, and we've got one foot in this
new thing and we can kind of feel it's gonna
(07:18):
be awesome, but we have no idea what it's going
to look like. And so I talked a little bit
about that transition and just how to move through it
and some stuff that the Lord encouraged me within that,
and then I talked a little bit about the Sunday morning,
I was a little more I was a little more conservative,
talked about just living out of heaven. Some basic principles
we're seated with in heavenly places and that is real,
(07:40):
and how do we really walk in that? What does
that really mean in our daily lives experientially?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's so good. I don't really track that
closely with that church, but I know that it's pastor Dave.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Is that his name, Dave?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, I've seen him the podcast and I've heard history
and it's pretty amazing. And some of the other the
people that I track with do go there so or
have spoken there. So that's how you you popped up
on my feet. I'm like Virginia Killings, weren't that glad tidings,
no way.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It was the perfect timing and it was so funny.
The pastor's wife, Cheryl, picked me up in the car
and she is a she is a doll, and he
has talked and talked and talked, and she looked at me,
she goes, We're sisters. It was like one of those
things where you just instantly connect and it was just
you know, and we get out of the car at
the retreat. The retreat was in Lake Tahoe. It was beautiful.
This guy's helping with our luggage and stuff. He looked,
(08:40):
he goes, are you two sisters? And we're like yes,
and we're like.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Oh, so real.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think it was real timely. You know, it was
one of those intersections. It's like you know a lot
of the same people. You know, you hear about them,
and you know, you know a lot of common common threads,
but you you intersect when it's time to intersect.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well, I was thinking we were going to talk about
your new group. But I think that what you just
mentioned is pretty important. Dismantling the old wine skin and
being in a season of letting God reconstruct you or
actually deconstruct, and unfortunately there's a you know, there's a
deconstruction movement that's not so good, that's not appropriate. But
(09:26):
the Lord is doing deconstructing of the old wine skin.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
In a in the an appropriate way, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And and actually that kind of does lend towards groups
because we never know where people are on their spiritual journey.
And sometimes people are coming in and they're pretty broken
or they're pretty you know, they have wels across their
psyche from the woundings they've had in church, you know,
the religious spirit and the programming and the spiritual abuse
(09:57):
and the crazy stuff that happens. And so sometimes when
they do come into groups, so we have to talk
about this kind of stuff. So I guess it does
kind of go together. But I want to hear your
take on it. I know what my take is.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I want to hear yours on the on the transition
that we're in.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, uh Well.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I fell down this rabbit hole a couple of years ago.
I'm just sitting with the Lord and he says to me,
he says, hey, why do you think Isaac and John
the Baptists were born of parents who were reproductively dead?
And I was like, it was so out of the blue,
I'm like, uh oh, quite.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So was Samuel. Well, if Hannah had been barren.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Hannah had been barren. But Isaac, I mean Abraham and
Sarah and Zecharias and Elizabeth were past the age of childbearing,
That's true. That's a whole different thing. They you know,
Hebrews eleven says Abraham and Sarah were as their bodies
were as good as dead. So I'm not able to
bring forth life. I mean, Hannah had a barren this issue.
(11:02):
But that's a little bit different than being ninety years old,
you know even that.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Okay, all right, yep.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So I just fell down this rabbit hole and he
started to showing, and then and then he started connecting
dots with what is actually happening in the cosmos. And
you know, you know we I think we probably talked
about this when we talked about on my book Restoring
the Ancient Past, how the adversarya has stolen all these technologies,
like the Gospel written in the stars, right, I mean,
(11:32):
most churches, if you got up on Sunday morning you
started talking about the stars, they'd kick you out because
they think you're you know, they think you were a
psychic or you know whatever. And but you know, Romans
One talks very much about that that he's written the
Gospel for all mankind to see, so that we're all
(11:52):
with that, we're we're without excuse. And so you know
there and there's really old books. You know, there's a
book by E. W. Bollinger called The andes Is of
the Stars talking about how the stars and the constellations
actually have told tell the Gospel story. And so this
is you know, this is not new. And you know
a lot of people believe that the wise men that
(12:14):
came to Jesus were actually descendants, you know, they were
wise men from the East or whatever. A lot of
people believe that they were had been mentored, you know,
down through the generations, going all the way back to
Daniel and his friends when they were in Babylon, right action.
So you know, so anyway he should he was first
(12:35):
starting to teach me about this, and he showed me
I learned from a science perspective about this thing called
the procession of the equinoxes. And you know when the
Earth moves into a different constellation every two thousand years,
give or take. And you know, we know that back
in the sixties, you know that song, this is the
dawning of the Age of Aquarius or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Enemy.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Right. He always he'll try to get something out out
of timing, right, he'll try to preempt something, you know,
but he knows what's happening, and he can't stop it
from happening. He's not sovereign. He's just been watching mankind
for eon. So I think he's you know, we're told
to beware of his wiles, right, But he's not. You know,
(13:18):
he's not creator. He's a thief. And so anyway, the
Lord started teaching me about that and really showing me
that the earth was moving from Pisces, which, if you
think about it, that's the fish, right, And wouldn't that
that you know, do you ever have one of those
little Jesus fish on the back of your car.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I never got into that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Now I confess I did have one. At the time,
I thought it was so cool, but you know, that
was And I had a friend, a very good friend,
who actually trained me, and you know, had a deal
with victims of satanical ritual abuse and disassociated disorder. He
was an Egyptian Coptic Christian and he had tattooed on
his wrist as kind of like a you know, like
(14:00):
you would show that to other people like a secret
sign kind of thing, because there was a little bit
of you know, a little bit of religious persecution in
Egypt when you know, before the United States. So anyway,
you know, the Pisces is what we think of when
we think of you know, Christianity. And but you know,
we know that an aquarius is the picture of the
(14:20):
the you know, the picture of water being poured out,
and the Lord showed me. I forget the reference now.
I think it might be like Matthews seventeen. I might
have that wrong, but that when Jesus sent out his
disciples and he said, hey, when you go into this
certain town, when you see the man with the picture
of water on his shoulder, follow him into the house
where he goes. And you know, the constellations are also
(14:43):
called houses. So I believe that was the Lord. You know,
he's spoken, He's spoken many dimensions, right, So we could
just take it at face value, or we could go deeper, deeper,
deeper into all infinity.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
The word is living, multidimensional. So I think that was
speaking to us. Hey, don't afraid to find this transition
into this outpouring, and the Lord and I believe we moved.
You know, science, it's not an exact science, right because
of the you know, it's not an exact number of years,
because the constellations are a little different sizes and how
(15:15):
you know exactly when you move in there. But the
Lord showed me there something that had to do with
this star name Regulus or whatever. And I believe that
the Earth moved into Pace into Aquarius out of Pisces
in twenty twelve. And when I was really researching this,
not from a spiritual perspective, from a science perspective, which
which I thought that was cool. You know, when the
(15:36):
two come together. I always like that. And he reminded me, well,
he said, hey, you know the Mayan calendar ended in
twenty twelve, didn't it. And he showed me that it
was because they were really and it's a demonic religion,
but they could not see past the age of religion
into the age of the outpouring. So and we know
(15:57):
outpouring has to do with the wine. You know that
he's going to pour out and it has to be
a white you said at the beginning, you know, the
new wine can't be poured into old wineskins they'll burst,
you know, And so it's an exciting time. It's difficult
because you know, like Abraham, you know, and Sarah, Zecharia
and Elizabeth had to watch their bodies die basically, you know,
(16:21):
while they have all these promises right and they had
to move through that death. And so that's kind of
where a lot of us have been. Well, Lord, didn't
you say, x y Z and I had this vision
of this, you know, but we were putting it in
our little, tiny church boxes and we're having to allow
those things to die. And it's hard. I mean, it's
(16:43):
even hard when you have a grid for what that
it's unto something better, it's even still difficult. But when
you don't have any grid at all for that, it's
really easy just to get disillusioned and to walk away
or whatever. I'm like the Disciples, Where would I go?
You know, I'm real, there's nowhere else. I'll just hang
in there and see what happens. But you know, it
would be easy to just become very you know, hope
(17:07):
deferred makes the heart sick. And you know, these seasons
are difficult, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, I first heard about that with Christopher Carter, you know,
in twenty seventeen or whenever, whenever the when the Blood
Moons were happening, whenever that season was. That was right
around the time that I was meeting Christopher. And he
has a book Cosmic Shift that if anyone wants to
(17:34):
dive more into that, or the eg Bullinger book that
Virginia mentioned.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, you know, it was really interesting. I Christopher Carter
lives in Florida, he's not too did he's not too
far from us, and we never got to meet. But
when I released this, because I just got this, I've
never heard anybody talk about this. Afterwards, people were like, oh,
you know, you must know Chris Carter. I've never read
his book. I've never met at him. We did do
(18:02):
like a zoom a zoom prayer for somebody before, but
that and that was so cool because it was just
straight from the mouth of the father, and you hear
somebody else that got something so similar, it's like, Okay,
I'm not crazy here.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, very good, Yeah, very cool. Okay, So so yeah,
it is an exciting time to be alive. One of
the things the challenges that you and I both face though,
is moving people into their next you know, because they're
so holding on to the other, to the old and
(18:41):
you know, holding on to the church age, holding on
to the last revelation, holding on to the traditions and
the things that God is doing a new thing. You know,
his his hand has moved and the cloud has moved on.
And sometimes it's hard to help people let go, and
(19:02):
we also have to do it. I'm not saying that
I've arrived here, that I'm perfect. I just you know,
there's always stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, it's challenging. And I said, I said, that's such
a good point. I said to the Lord. I said, Lord,
I'm saying, yes, but I don't know how to do this.
What do I do? And he said something so cool
to me. He said, hold, we.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Missed a little bit because you're breaking up there.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Can you just repeat about two sentences back?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Okay. I just said, you've got such a good point.
Let me just check. I think my internet's okay, let
me just double check and make sure that. Yeah. Yeah,
it was like, I'm good. I just you know, you
have such a good point. That it is, you know
what the challenges and us moving and helping people to
(19:50):
move through. And I said, Lord, I don't know how
to do this, you know, how do I do it?
And he just said, hold fast to eternal principles because
we are, you know, as a transition generation, we're called
to be faithfully steward this thing. That's we can't fail
(20:11):
on it as much as we'd sometimes like to. And
he said, hold fast to eternal principles, but be quick
to allow that the superficial faces of those things to
morphine change, right. And so I think people can air
on one side or the other, you know, they can
be quick to throw out things that we can't. We
don't need to throw out, you know, but but we
(20:34):
have to allow. You know, we're created for connection right
with God and with each other. So it's some people
have you know, oh forget you know, I'm not doing
a church thing or whatever, which is okay that we
let the old wine skin go, But what does the
new thing look like? And how do we help to birth?
That is what we need to be asking right in
our own lives and you know, in our in our
(20:57):
you know, in our you know, in all that's been
given to us to steward.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
So so what challenges are you seeing in your new
group as far as what what do people need the
most that you were able to serve them within the
new group. And by the way, the new group is
called overshadowed. Congratulations on starting it.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well, it would have never happened without you, Berlin. I
didn't even know where to start. I just Berlin knows this,
but just for those that are watching, I felt like
I got a blueprint for a you know, three chier
mentorship program, but I didn't know. I didn't know what
to do. I didn't know how to get it, you know.
So she has been so amazing just as a vision
(21:44):
but also the implementation. So it would have never gotten
off the ground without you, Berlin. I'm so grateful. And
she's had endless patients with all the little you know,
things come up when you're doing something new, and so
she's had immense patients with all of that. But I
think one of the challenges is just you know, people
(22:05):
can be in very very different places, right, So we
want to and we all have cracks in our foundation
or blind spots right because of things that are you know,
my history, things that I might have missed on my
spiritual journey, or just familiar things that are maybe still
unhealthy that are familiar to me and you might see
but I might be blind to you. And so we're
(22:26):
all in such different places. So I think it can
be challenging for the facilitator as well as for people
to Okay, we're going to do a little bit of
remedial work, make sure everybody's on the same page without
getting bogged down. We're still gonna We're still going to
explore some new things, you know, and and forge ahead,
(22:47):
and so that is very challenging.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, that's that's one of the biggest things that I
have seen with an ongoing group when people can join
at any time, is people who've been with you for
a while don't want to go back to the basics,
and then the people who are just coming in are
lost because you don't.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Go back to the basics exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
So that's why I actually had I had my business Ecleca,
and we were running that. I ran that thing for
like probably like five years from twenty eighteen and I
think I just let it go in the end of
twenty twenty three, so about a year and a half ago,
or maybe a year ago, I don't remember, but anyway,
so that was one of those instances where I tried
(23:32):
not to do a lot of teaching. But you know,
you already had to be at a level where you
can function as an ecclesia. And an ecclesia means you're
a governing body. It means you understand how to take authority,
how to go look get the will of God for
a situation, and then pray into it, you know, do
(23:55):
a court case, do whatever needs to happen, a redemption
or something so that you can bring His will into
the earth over that situation.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
So you had to be at a.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Certain level in order to even function as part of
an eclacia. And I didn't realize that. I didn't, you know,
I was thinking, you know, I'm just like I'm joining
arms with a bunch of friends and we're gonna go
do this thing.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
You know, we did the.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Same thing in our local body. Does not mean that
you're able to function.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
It, I know, right, And Timothy Bentce will tell you
it's a governing body, it's not a gathering, okay, right,
Oh my gosh. So so that that was a challenge,
and you know, I have different levels of groups now,
and there is like I have a question air to
(24:49):
just to make sure that they're kind of ready to
be in the group. And then I have like a
launch pad of a course that they need to take
so that everybody kind of has the same language. Those
things have helped to get people at a level where
they're functioning or they're no one feels lost, or people
(25:09):
aren't bored or you.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Know, so that's good, that's so good.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
It does help.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I know that you're you're, what of four or five
months in, Like tonight is literally a meeting we just
happened to record.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
On this day.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, so have you has have you kind of
settled into what the vibe is going to be yet?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Or are you still kind of figuring it out.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
We're still Yeah, we're still kind of trying to find
our flow. And I think a lot of that. We
had a very rocky start because not because of anybody,
but just because of a lot of technical stuff. The
first two we're you know a little bit like whoo,
what just happened? So we're kind of starting to find
our flow. And I'm starting to find my flow. So yeah,
(25:58):
it's coming. It's coming.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
On a business and groups are so leveraged and scalable
that it's an amazing strategy for your business. And so
I'm so glad that you've implemented after this time, I
know I was getting you to go and then and
then the other thing that I would want to say
to business owners is the we had so many tech
(26:24):
challenges because we had a shoestring budget, and so we
were trying to figure out all of the free things
that would integrate.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
With each other.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
But of course the free technology is designed purposely not
to integrate with each other, and so we had challenges
that way. So I guess that would be one cautionary
tale to business owners who want to start a group,
if possible, don't go with free stuff. Pay the upgrade
(26:57):
of the platforms so that you can have integration that
actually works and you don't have to band aid things
and you know, pick three three steps to get a
half a one done.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And you know, and you guys, you know you you guys,
and you know your tech team did an amazing job
with this little Frankenstein. It was no, really, yeah, it's
an amazing job.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
We we learned a lot, we learned a lot of
ways it didn't work, and and but we'd learned how
it did work too, and it is running and it
is functioning, and you know, as a as a business owner,
sometimes you have to make an investment in something that
you know is going to pay off later, and groups
(27:48):
is definitely one of those things because you want to invest,
like Virginia definitely did, in a team to build it
for you, and then invest in the technology to get
the so that everything is just running smoothly. People can
find it, buy it, get in, get out, get the notifications,
(28:10):
get all of the emails, you know, interact with each other,
you know, operate within the system, all of the stuff
that it takes to run an online group. You know,
think about those things. But I would even even with
the challenges Virginia, I would still say, yeah, go for it.
(28:32):
It's such a It's if you're creating community in a
place for people who don't typically have a place that
where people talk the same language, because sometimes they can't
find people who speak their language in church.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's why the online
groups are so so crucial in this transition, because I think,
you know, we're all at different places in the transition,
and that's by divine design. It's not like the pioneers
are better than this. We work together, right, and so
because of that, the people that are really going for
(29:07):
the you know, the new the new wine kind of
thing that are kind of on the on the cusp
of that, are a little bit scattered right now. So
we're finding you know, I have another online group that's
more prayer and encounter and we've got people from Taiwan,
from Germany, from Ireland, from the UK, Canada. Because we're
(29:29):
just scattered right now. So I think that this is
really you know, it's no coincidence that we talked about
transition and then talked about groups, because I think the
two are really connected. You know, online and technology is
a blessing and that we can connect with other people.
There might not be fifty people in my town or
(29:50):
my city that understands what I'm talking about or is
even interested in it, but there's fifty around the globe
that can, you know, that can meet online and are
hungry for the things I'm hungry for. So it's I
think it's super important right now.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, Yeah, that's really good. Wow.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I just looked at the time and we've been going
about half an hour. I think we need to land
the plane for part one, but I want to give
you the last word, and I mean we really talked
in general about groups and the importance of this time
and stuff. But any last thoughts, and then in the
next one we're gonna let's go deeper into what's in
Overshadowed in the next part two.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Okay, Okay, I think that's it. I think ok I
hovered it pretty we went. We went into the crossmas
and back pretty well.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
We did. We did literally navigated the star system.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Oh my gosh, so good.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Okay, So let's just tell people where they can find
you and find your group. Go ahead, that's dot com. Okay,
Virginia Killingsworth dot com, and go ahead. It's called the
Overshadowed and it's on the it's one of the tiers
(31:08):
of the mentoring.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
It's tier two of the mentoring. Tier one.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Let me just explain it to the peeps. Tier one
is the Miracles are Normal book and the online course,
so it's a do it yourself level at tier one.
Tier two is the group. So it would be helpful
for you to have done the book and the course,
but you don't need to in tier two and you're
(31:34):
meeting live with Virginia and the other group and you
have a place to like a forum to talk to
each other and chat to each other between.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Meetings and everything.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And then tier three is one on one coaching.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Have you launched that yet?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I have not launched that yet. I'm I'm We're focusing
on our local our local Eclacia, our local body for
since they're you know, boots on the ground in the
trenches with us here. And then once we you know,
once we get a few people trained and kind of
can you know where I can take on a few,
(32:11):
then I'll open that up.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Sure that totally makes sense, yep. And that is the
way that you phase your business. Okay, So online, online, course,
a group and then one on one coming soon. You
can find all of that at Virginia Killingsworth dot com.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
You can also check out her YouTube.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Channel, but those links are also it can be found
on the website, so check out her YouTube. She has
a lot of good teaching. She has a lot of
good worship stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
We don't really talk about that. She is a worship leader,
you guys.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So she has amazing CDs and soaking music and dancing
music and worship and praise and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
You can find all of that on the website as well.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
All right, time to land the plane and on til
next time, Stay spirit centered.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Peace out.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Hey there, SCB peeps. I want to give a huge
shout out and deep appreciation and thanks to Candace Benton.
She has become a super sponsor for the Spirit Centered
Business Show, so I would appreciate you helping me in
sending blessings and abundance back to her. Thank you so much, Candace,
(33:28):
and you are well loved.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Thank you for listening to Spirit Centered Business with Berlin Nuby.
Be sure to like, subscribe and share with your friends.
The next age of doing business by being spirit centered
is coming together in collaboration, working with spiritual principles and
knowing our destiny. Join our tribe at spirit Centered Business
dot com and we'll catch you on the next broadcast.
(33:53):
Peace Out.
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