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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you ever look around your life and think, you know,
I feel like there's something more that I'm supposed to
be doing, or something more that God.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Has for me.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
There's a bigger, better plan that.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
He has if only I could figure it out. And
sometimes we feel doubt as far as did God really
call me to do this? Or how do I do it?
I don't know how to do the thing that I
feel called to. And sometimes we feel like we're off purpose,
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we're not walking in our destiny and you know, by
the end of our life, well, we.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Won't have fulfilled it.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
We won't get the good and faithful servant at a boy,
and we'll feel like our life is meaningless. And that's
fearful for a lot of people. And if you're struggling
with that, you know, I want to definitely want to
pray with you, but I also want to invite you
to a masterclass that's free, and we're going to look
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at those three biggest challenges to overcoming the things that
are keeping you back from living fully alive and fully
aligned with purpose. It's called purpose and Passion and I
look forward to seeing you there.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Welcome to the Spirit Centered Business Podcast, where we blend
the spiritual with the practical for supernatural results. Now here's
your host, Berlin Nuby.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Okay, So so Darby and I are pulling a Donna
and I. If you guys know the nth degree, we
just have conversations and then hit record. So that's what
Darby and I are doing right now. Okay, Darby, so
we're we're like, oh my gosh, there's.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So much grey. Yeah, and so it's so good. Like
I'm thinking like, okay, so I'd read the I'd hear
these stories from people in these different groups and their
they're not a Christian group, and I'm like, well, why
are they getting of these breakthroughs? Like what in the world,
Like is that the enemy as the angel of light?
Or is there are they actually applying spiritual truths and
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working within the spiritual laws? And the Lord started unrattling
for me. And I'm not saying I'm fully there yet,
But what kind of the distinction that I have is
you know, all truth is God's truth. He owns all
the intellectual property. He is the truth. Okay, so we
know the enemy can only model after God. There is
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no other model. There is not another God that he
can model after he has the model after God, and
he's going to try to get as close as he
can to using the spiritual wiring of who we're created
to be to hijack us, you know. And to the point,
I don't even believe that desire. People talk about desires
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and people get addictions and stuff. I think desire is
designed in us and we've been We've been designed with
desire And the only thing that enemy does is he
tries to get us to fulfill our desires outside of God,
and we know apart from him we can do nothing.
So the question that I've been asking is like, how
do I invite people on their journey no matter where
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they're at and their faith. And I'm not talking about
all roads lead to heaven. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm not saying, oh, you could just choose any path,
But how is God showing? My goal is when I'm
working with someone is saying, I think to myself, how
is that person experiencing God? And how can I help
them articulate that? Because if someone has a breakthrough in
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their life, right like neuroscience, Okay, for instance, this is
goes with neuroscience. You can apply these tools and you
can be a different person. Now I know true transformation
is Jesus is coming into the faith. I get that.
I totally get that. But but at the same time, like,
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how is that possible? Well, because there's certain ways that
a computer works. Okay, we've just used the metaphor of
a computer. It's gonna work a certain way. And so
some people, after a while, we discover because it's just
like the Tower of Babbel, they could they put their
minds together and there was nothing that it was unstoppable
for them, and God had to confound what they were doing. Well,
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obviously there is a positive inverse of that too. You know,
there are people that are having these discoveries and breakthroughs. Well,
why is it working? Well, it's not because I don't
think that now. I understand there's gonna be fall signs
and wonders. I get that. But I've had people prophesy
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overy that weren't even Christians. They weren't even they weren't
reading cards. They were just saying, this is what I see.
And there's an aspect of people just being spiritual. I've
had God speak to through people that were not even believers,
you know, I mean when I went to when I'm
I went to school at Graham Cooks School. The job
I was working in I gave lesbian agnostics atheists there
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am I sending away team. They raised over four hundred
and fifty dollars for me to go to a ministry school,
you know, and they were they were saying things, and
they were they didn't realize it. You know, we're spiritual people,
you know, is it is it? You know, we don't
think about it has to be a prayer. I want
to say a prayer and that's it. Anyway, I'm going
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all over the place here.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah. No, Well, this whole conversation started because we're talking
about the shaking that's going on and the war that's
literally happening in the spirit realm that we're just oblivious to.
You know, I'm just talking about Joe Blow, mainstream person
is oblivious to even though we're designed to. We're designed
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to be plugged into its designed to not only be
plugged in, but to orchestrate it co creators with the Lord,
and we keep we've been praying for two thousand years,
let let your will be done on earth as it is,
and yet we are not going into heaven to seeing
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what his will is, and we're not bringing it on
earth because we don't know those spiritual mechanisms, the mechanics
of literally how the spirit realm works, so that we
can use who we are. We are designed so much
more beyond the what we understand. Our capability is right,
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we need to use that to beat his hands and
feet on the earth, but operating from His kingdom in
the heavenly realms, so that when when we have that
battery and we are the end of the flashlight that
has the light on it, but he's the battery. It's
all one flashlight, right. We don't have an idea of
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the impact that we're supposed to be making. We're you know,
we're stuck in the shackled by comfort of our own
western world. Oh my gosh, do we have more faith
or are we pleading for? Oh no, I hope don't.
Things don't change. I hope there's no when I go
to the store, there's going to be all the food,
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and I hope the gas prices don't go up so high,
and iact, you know, all of that kind of stuff.
When is that God's will or is that our will?
And I am just as guilty as anybody else. I
will put up my hand and say, oh my gosh,
I do not want to have to, you know, rely
on raising chickens and rabbits and having a farm when
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I don't have the space. Now, if I had the space,
obviously I would be into it. I am a doorsy person.
But but there's confinements and there's restrictions. If you're living
in a cement city and all of a sudden you
need to go twenty miles out to the country to
get your eggs and fresh food because the grocery stores
don't have anything. I mean, there's inconveniences that probably will
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have to happen. And are we more sold on trying
to stay comfortable than seeking God's will in the shaking right?
And it's such a hard line. It's so difficult to
make that switch because we're just so programmed and so
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conditioned to look for the easiest way, the most comfortable way.
Just give me a pill. I don't want to actually
work out, you know, give me give me some medication.
I don't want to change my diet, you know whatever.
I don't want to have to go to the chiropractor
and do exercises. And stuff like that to get myself
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into shape. I just want to once and done and
be you know whatever instant microwave society exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, and what's happening is, you know, I tell people,
I said, is there are you? Do you feel like?
Do you feel like your world is crumbling around you?
Do you feel like you're nervous and anxious and fearful?
That what happens is it's showing me that something that
you believe is attached to this physical plane, it's attached
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like you're like, I'm attached to this thing. And that's
what's being shaken. What you got to do is you
got you, You are part of You are an eternal
being in Christ and when you come from that place,
there's a whole lot of shaking going on. But you're
not going with it. You know, we don't need to
go with it. And we've been trained in our own experience.
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Well that's just the way it's always been. And people
are not comfortable, if you really want to get technical,
they're not comfortable. They're actually uncomfortable, but they're almost comforted,
comforted in their uncomfortability.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Right, it's still still their safety zone and in their
comfort zone of at least I know what this discomfort.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Is well, and we're trying to And so the thing
is is that the challenge I see is is that
people you know when you I mean, I've always experienced
supernatural things, so I understand, like I think, God, let
me see those things because I'm a little thick sometimes
and he's like, I got to get make sure this
guy really gets it. So like, just because I have
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a story about seeing angels or whatever, it doesn't mean
I'm any more special. It just means that we can
operate by faith, and we don't and and faith is
a neutral thing. It doesn't have to Now. I believe
that that once you activate and you're in faith, that
emotions will follow after, thinking will follow after. And that's
the whole idea of embodying what you're believing for and
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having that frequency like you were talking about. But it's
almost like people don't know, they don't know that they
can actually win because they look around themselves. They're like, well,
I'm doing better than she's doing. I'm doing better than
that person's doing. Right, And you know, my thing was
when I came back into the faith, when I got
filled with the Holy Spirit, I'm like, I only want
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to know what works. I want to know the truth.
I really, I don't want fluff. I don't want you
to talk about I don't want you to talk I mean,
I'm not actually not even impressed. This is gonna sound crazy.
I'm not impressed by stories of you seeing angels and
going to heaven. If your life looks.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Like hell, that's true, yep, exactly, you know, if it's
I'm not saying that those things aren't cool, but what's
your life? Is God? Look like something? It's gone?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Something?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, when I've got to feel with the Holy Spirit
like I gotta, I don't even know how to explain it,
but I had uh Dan McCollum pray for me when
I was in the school and I wrestled with the
whole idea of like laughter in the Holy Spirit. I
didn't believe in manifestations. You know what happened to me.
I was drunk in the Holy Spirit for three days. Oh,
I couldn't even. I couldn't even. I'm the guy that
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you try to push my forehead. Yeah, yeah, I'm putting
my I'm stradling my legs out. You're not going to
push me. I don't want fake I want the real thing.
I didn't come into this Kingdom thing for anything. If
it's gonna how you know what's going to work and
what doesn't work is when the shaking goings. When it
goes on, you either got intellectually you think you know it.
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A lot of people say, oh, I know that, I've
read that verse a thousand times. Do you think you
know that? But if you're not experiencing the reality of that,
you don't know that. And that's what happened with me.
I just I'm real with that. I'm real. I'm like
obviously it says do not fear? Well, do I have
fear in my life? Why do I have fear in
my life? What lie am I believing? And you know,
and really all that is is that ties this into
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being coming double minded. It's like, you believe we hold
the truth of we hold the truth here, right, and
then we have the unbelief. And unbelief is not disbelief.
It's just believing the wrong thing. And the only thing
that can make the Word of God knowing void in
your life is the traditions of men. And we look
at other people's lives and you know that's what my
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grandpap said, and that's what my mom said. And there's
something so much more than what you're living right now,
and all it takes is that. And I encourage people.
I say, you know what I said. Maybe you say
you've never experienced God this way, that's okay. Ask God.
Here's a double dog Dare you double triple dog? Dare
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you to ask God to show himself to you? That's it.
Just if that's your only prayer, say that one line.
And if you don't come back and say that you've
had an experience with God, I would be shocked. I
had some guys tell me once. He's like, I'm a
he said something. He's some kind of some kind of
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like weird kind of religious group. But it was a
cult or it was like true Philadelphia, something weird. Something
I don't remember. And he's like, dude, I don't I
hear your stories. He's like, I just believe that all
all that Bible stuff is symbolic. It's all metaphor. I said,
I said, listen, I said, I can't. I'm not here
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to prove to you. I don't fight with you about
these things. I said, But you go and ask God
to show himself to you and the next time you
see I see you, and the spirit of God doesn't
encounter you, I'll give up my faith and he encountered God.
Now I'm not selling everyone do that. Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah,
So now it's good.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And I want to pull another thread from before we
turned on the recording. We were talking about people having
transformation in their lives and having breakthrough outside of board.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Actually, you know, and it comes You and I are
both researchers, and we and we love looking into into things.
I you know, I've studied. I studied a lot of stuff, JOSEPHS.
Benza and Greg Braden, the Divine Matrix, and and I
take these books that have so much transformation and amazing
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spirit principles, and I say, Jesus or Father whoever, what
do you say about this? Because I know that you
designed this principle? And here these people who don't profess
to go through Jesus as the only door are getting breakthrough.
They're transforming thousands of lives all over the globe. What
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is it about the King's kids? Why are we afraid
of this? What makes it that we don't pick these
things up? Where is the Christian version like you mentioned
in Spirit Center Business during the show, where's the Christian
version of these people who are making massive, massive change
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and shifts in people's lives and transformation exactly? And I'm like, Lord,
pick me.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I will totally exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I will do the work. And I literally was working
on myself and I was I'm doing the experience mention
using these different on myself. Yeah, you know, I actually
did the whim Hoff breathing method, right, and I accidentally
lost ten pounds. I'm like, okay, all right, Lord, yeah, right,
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And it's your spirit lab, It's it's it's just like, okay,
there's so much more beyond what you find in a
Christian bookstore where you can find God's.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Truth, right and exactly. Well, and here's the thing. People here,
there are Christians that will believe in doctors. Well that's
not written in the Bible. Well they're reading. Yeah, they'll
go right, right, right right exactly. You'll go to those places.
They'll believe a psychologists for something. But as soon as
you go into anything metaphysical, which is really our faith,
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I mean, come on, we're not This is not just
a physical.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
You know, mystical God, and we are mystical people.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Exactly, and I do think there are. There is something
about the pragmatic side of like I know for myself,
I needed to experiment, try things out, see if they worked.
And then I'm like, okay, God, where's your word say
about this? Like where does this tie in with your word?
Like you know, the whole idea. You know, I'm one
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of the things the lords was showing me is like, well,
just because someone's experience the Lord was telling me was
there's different levels of transformation. This is the way I
kind of look at this is as you you start
off with a little tea and as you go up
you experience the capital T, which is the truth is
a person, not just a beliefs. It's not just knowledge,
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it's a person. And it's just as people understand the
truth right, the truth will set them free. And to
that level of their understanding, it's like people are bumping
up against It's like you've heard about that analogy of
these blind people with an elephant, and how each one
of them are explaining that's what's happening, you know, and
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then it just so happens that something works for them.
I mean, you don't have millions of people following these
people without having some sort of breakthrough. And I also
think the other thing about this is sometimes the religious
language gets in the way, like it's we need a
new we need a new lexicon. We don't. It needs
to be we need to get rid of all those things,
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because when I say grace and you say grace, it's
it's not the same thing.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Right, Yeah, I agree, Yeah, that is so good. Yeah,
And and there are you know, there's Dayton does come
as the Angel of light, right, because Mormons are good people,
you know, and Shriners do good work. And we were
talking about this before they Yeah, and you know, people
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get into the Masonic Lodge thinking it's just a good
boy club. But really, the underlying agreements that were made
with the Kingdom of darkness, right require a right exactly
Jesus already paid the price. Right, So if you're coming
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into agreement with this dark stuff that's just based on
the counterfeit dark power, you're going to end up paying
a price at one point or another which really is
already paid it.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So yeah, so good, that's so good. The fact that
you're talking about it really is about jumping through hoops
any any kind of religious or whatever kind of group.
If they're having you jump through hoop hoops. Here's the
thing we're not. I understand this. This this word, these words,
this terminology is in the church, you're going to different levels.
I get what they mean by that. But sometimes our
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performance based thinking can get in the way. We think
we have to earn something. No, you you're coming from
a place of victory, not getting to victory. Mind renewal
is really not about like making yourself something. It's actually
leasing who you really are. It's you know, and people
talk about being, oh, you know you you you you know.
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You hear that in the Eastern religions about being. Well,
God's I asked the Lord, I'm like, what is this
all this about being? He says, that's identity being lived out.
That's what that is. He says. It's someone living out
of their truest essence.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
It's it's more about getting rid of things that it
is adding things to you. And I think that's a
big thing about religion and cults and some the New
Age or some of them. It's all about, you know,
even the spiritual laws. Okay, you got you have the
course of miracles, you know, and they have these spiritual laws. Okay, right, yeah, exactly. Well,
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here's the thing. We actually have something better than New Age,
way better than that, because we have a personal God. Okay,
here's the other thing. Is with grace. Grace covers the
potholes of where you're not living fully out of the
spiritual laws. It's not that we get rid of spiritual
laws by being in Christ, it's that the grace of
God lists up up to a higher place otherwise where
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it's always going to be about our performance. Does that
make sense what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Absolutely? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, yeah, so good. I know we've jumped all over
the place, but I love the Kingdom conversations.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
She's my sister. That's why I know, right, we could
keep going and going. That's what your podcast, that's the
reason why I reached out to you. I'm like, oh
my gosh, Like, I'm like, okay, I'm not pushing this.
If you want to connect this God, I'm gonna put
the message out there. And you're the first person I've
done that with for a long time. And I'm like,
I listened to your podcast. I'm like, oh my gosh, Like, seriously,
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this is my tribe. I got that vibe going, you know,
it's like I got it's what's happening is you know
we your eyes start to open up and you start
to And I've said this many times. I said, for
a long time, when I was dating, I was dating
a different girl with the same with the same that
was a different girl with a different name, but the
same person. And I thought myself, why am I dating
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all these crazy cat ladies? And I thought it was me?
And then I come to realize, oh, there's something in
the equation. Over and over again, it's me. It's this guy.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And when I start taking ownership of that, and then
the Lord start talking about frequencies to me, I've had
no one ever talked about frequencies. He's like, I want
you to know that who you're meant to be with,
you're going to start experiencing. As you get in healthier relationships,
you'll understand the frequency of who they are. And that
applies to everything that applies to finding your tribe. You know,
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you might people that I'm sure people tune in here.
They're they're probably a little bit of rogue, they're a
little bit outside the box. They're a little bit maybe
they're a little bit of troublemakers, you know, in religious circles,
and honestly, it's more fun that way.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
So it has gotten kicked out of church. Pick me
who's gotten kicked out of a home group?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Me exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I just can't keep my mouth shut when I hear
anti biblical stuff. I'm like, yeah, sorry, I gotta say it.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
You know, you hear lyrics and songs that they sing
sometimes like oh, that's not even biblical right there.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well, even the whole idea of one of the things
I think one of the worst things that were the
most prevalent lies that has really attacked the Western Church
is the lie that every that that that it's God's
will that evil's happened. Oh, it's this whole idea of
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fatal in God's in controls the song I was looking for,
you know, the whole the whole universe was designed a
certain way. The way I compared is like a video game.
God designed it a certain way, the certain laws in
that video game. God decided to come down into the
into into creation to be a part of this. And
I know it's not just a simulation. I get that,
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but just for the sake of the metaphor. Jesus came
and he had to abide by certain ways of doing things,
but he showed us that there's actually something greater than
the natural law that he operated out of. He was
teaching us the way he was. He was teaching us
to do that. Not that we ascend above Jesus. There's no,
there's no, none of that's into him, into him, exactly
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that Christ would be formed into us. You could do
a lot more by accident than you would on purpose,
by just understanding oneness with God.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, oh so rich, so good, Darby, Yeah, this is great. Well,
oh my gosh, So we didn't even start we didn't
even start this as if it were going to be
an episode. But I think we're gonna just have to
throw it out there because you want the peeps to
hear it, right, Okay, So maybe we'll we'll record a
beginning after the fact, so you will to be seen
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the beginning that we pre recorded after the I we'll
have it edited the other way around.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
That's awesome. This is why it's so awesome to have
like video editing software and.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
A wonderful team. Thank you, Rex for handling all of
the production for Spirit Centered Business. Love you man. He's
my amazing producer in the Philippines and he's great. That's okay,
so one more time. Convergence School dot net is where
you can find Darby and get connected to him, connecting
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with him on social media wherever you can find him.
And you, guys, if you love this conversation, do share
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got crazy friends, go ahead and share it with him.
We appreciate Yeah, yeah, so good, all right, Darby, thank
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you for part three. Okay, until next time, stays first centered.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Peace out.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Hey there, SCB peeps.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
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are well loved.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
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