Are the Washington Capitals Stanley Cup Favorites?

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Happen.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Weisday everybody in my hype enough? Am I loud enough?
No matter?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Steve and Ah Smith is well when he starts out,
so can I. What's the difference between us? Well, I'm
older than he is.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm leaving it at that.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
But anyways, the only thing I can say what's different
about Stephen A. Smith is he thinks the only thing
he knows about hockey is that the pucket black. Well,
you know, Okay, there's a lot more to it than
pocket black, especially we got Mike Santo's in the broadcast.
So but that said, I want to thank everybody for
joining us on this edition of the Sports Exchange.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
We got a really really loaded show hoping.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
To get in there with us, and we have a
lot of topics of chat room will be manned by
George Korn. Okay, mister, I need to figure out my
Poe situation, but I'm sure we'll we'll stress that off camera,
but I need I need to have a really, seriously
really movement with him.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
And that's an easy one. But I wasn't wild this time. Anyways.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Lucky seven is a number of Mike Santos Penzan Sports.
Jamie Ellis is back George II, Corner's back, Jacob Chrisner,
and of course Candy, She's adding a lot more to it.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I have a loaded show.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
And the title of the Washington Capitals is Stanley Cup Favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
We're gonna get to that. Let's get to it rapid fire.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
And that's exactly what is of the Stanley Cup playoffs.
The only thing I'm gonna have to say where we
stand after round one. All finals scores will be discussed
at the end of the show. I do not do
show updates in terms of scores until they are final.
And I can tell you one topic which intrigues me,
and I'll tell you this guy Josh Odor, who's a
fan of the show, comes up with a good one

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once in a while. Boy, you hit this one with
the bullseye cam Ward or the Carolina Hurricanes. There's no
relation to cam Ward on the Tennessee Titans. So, by
the way, all staid the New Jersey Devils Florida one
in the series. All right, Mike Santos, what do you
know about cam Ward the football player?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
A little bit? Since I live in South Florida, I
think he was probably the right pick for number one
for a team that needed a quarterback. But I can't
say I was overly impressed with that Miami squad that
he led last year. I mean, they were there. You know,
obviously they didn't make the playoffs. There was arguments on
whether they should have been there and shouldn't have been there.

(02:36):
But you know, even a couple of games they won
last year, I think they won by the skin of
their teeth, and even a couple of favorable calls here
and there. So I think the jury's still out onto
what type of quarterback he's going to be in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Sot to talk about the goaltender. I know, you know
a whole lot more about him, don't you. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I mean he was the heck of a goalie, came
at the right time for Carolina when they were still
in their infancy in Raleigh, and brought him a Stanley Cup.
Of course, he had some good players in front of him,
but yeah, he was. He was a heck of a
young goaltender at that time and had a great career.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay, you know what I said, we had to preserve
the voice. Let's talk about cam Ward the quarterback versus
cam Ward the goaltender. What are your thoughts about those
two guys.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Both awesome athletes. I'm proud of the Tennessee Titans for
getting him. I'm sure he'll do pretty decent with them.
Probably the first year will probably be rough the first
couple of games, but once he knows the system, he'll
understand what to do. And he's a good mobile player.
The cam Ward goalie excellent butterfly goalie. He'll Stanley Cup

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Final person out excellent, excellent goalkeeper.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Jav will save you from losing my voice because he
already knows what the topic is.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Tell me what you think about both.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
So Kim Ward got drafted. I thought it was Shador
Sanders that got drafted this week.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Anyway, the humor good stuff even going anyway.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
You know, cam Ward great, great football player, obvious number
one pick. Tennessee got a good young leader there. And
I think it's even better with the circus around Shadoor Sanders, because,
like I said, everybody's focused on that takes away some
of the pressure of cad Ward being the number one pick.
Cam Ward the goalie don't know as much about him,

(04:30):
you know, I know he's what a Stanley Cup he
he always plays well. Carolina is has another chance to
get back to the Stanley Cup. They are a good team,
you know. But I can't say I know much about
his attributes except that he seems to be a winner
of Carolina, all.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
Right, George, Well, cam Ward the football player, I'm very
impressed with obviously his composure, his excitement, but he was
acted very professional when he was drafted. I thought it
was a very nice a few words he gave to
the television audience. I think that I agree with Joe.

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I mean, you know, Miami, it could have been better
last year, but you know, he still has matured very
very well the last few years. I'm looking for big
things from him, maybe not this year, but going forward.
The goaltender, what can I say. He's been one of
the one of my favorites for a long time. I mean,
as you guys know, I'm in Detroit, the Motor City,

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and we don't have a starlist a star goaltender these days.
But cam Ward certainly has done a great job with Carolina,
and you know, his years in the NHL just speak
volumes for his career.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Jacob.

Speaker 7 (05:48):
If cam Ward in the NFL becomes as big as stars,
I think he can. Cam Ward in the Agel. He
changed his name of Montgomery, but it's still but the
biggest thing, biggest thing with something like this, I love
watching cam Ward go through go through a tunnel.

Speaker 8 (06:03):
You notice what his suit was?

Speaker 7 (06:05):
Nice and simple but sleek, nothing ridiculous, nothing all that.
He a nice little interview, as little of the interview
as they had because we had to hear about Shadur
Sanders all weekend. But it's like, but here's the deal.
There's no question in my mind they the NFL pushed
the cam Ward to to basically make Shadeur Sanders look

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worse in certain ways, Like there was a mean class
slash gift slash video on there showing shadar standers wanting
to get a a music video with Cam and he
said I played football.

Speaker 8 (06:46):
They stopped right there.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
Now, mind you, the real video shows cam even though
he's a good guy and everything, he's showing him being
cockying himself, saying I'm generational, that sort of thing. But
they stopped it themselves. Every bit of this was too
good and we're not gonna we'll go in too later.
But every bit of this was to be able to
prove the point that they made the right choice of
the number one draft pick.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Candy.

Speaker 9 (07:08):
I watched cam Ward down here in Miami. He was
the right number one pick.

Speaker 8 (07:15):
Let's face it.

Speaker 9 (07:16):
He had success both in his previous stop and in Washington,
I mean and Washington State, and then when he came
to Miami. He'll do well in Tennessee. I was happy
to see that they signed Xavier Restrepo, one of his
wide receivers, as an unrestricted free agent, so he'll have

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a weapon that he's familiar with up in Tennessee. So
I thought that was cool. I thought he dressed. He
dressed for success, and I liked that. I appreciate that
as much. And then cam Ward, I mean, he played
the majority of his fifteen year professional career with the
Carolina Panthers. He played his final season with the Chicago

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Blackhawks before retiring. He won the Stanley Cup with the
Hurricanes back in two thousand and six. He became the
first starting goaltender to win the Stanley Cup as a
rookie since Patrick Roy.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
In nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 8 (08:17):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Wow, that's pretty impressive. Well, I'll say what, I'm going
to start backwards with the goaltender. I don't predict the
Carolina Hurricanes will win the Stanley Cup at the bulge.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
That my prediction in a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
But they'll tell you they can make a good run
in the Eastern Conference. So you need a great goaltender
to stand on his heels to be able to win
the Stanley Cup. Mike Santeles has probably seen that mine
other times. Right, He's one that I think is capable
of doing it. But they have a good goaltender. There's
far as cam wore. Candies pretty much said that this
guy was a number, had an impressive pro day and

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twenty minor hurricane prospects out there in the birthplace, but
they all came there to see cam war They had
It was side parking for lots in the media. We
ended up parting in the swimming area to see him.
It was a packed house, but pretty good stuff. Hi Steeve,
thanks for popping in. We appreciate it. So with the
cam Ward, there was no question. Kenny is right rostrepo
as the all time leader and receiving yards passing Michael Irvin.

(09:15):
You bring those two there, that's all that'll be good chemistry.
And again I'm reiterated to the goaltender not to get
to Alex Ovechkin has saved eight million dollars in his
career my negotiating his own contracts and avoiding the five
percent agent. If anybody knows about this better than Mike Santos,
let me point them out, because I don't know anybody

(09:36):
here but your talks about what Oveshka did negotiating for himself.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Mike, I think it's smart, especially for a guy that's
an elite player like him. There's really not a lot
to negotiate. I mean, I've been on this. I've been
on the other side of those negotiations hundreds of times,
and that was when the priory response abilities with the

(10:00):
organizations I was with, was to negotiate contracts. And I
mean when you're alachovetkam arguably one of the top two
or three players in the league every year. And the
way contracts are structured really in all sports now, but
especially in the NHL, with a salary cast system or
the maximum that you can pay a player, you know,

(10:25):
there's not much to negotiate. Even even the bonus structures
that they have in the NHL now are dictated by
the Collective Boring Agreement, so there's there's not much to
negotiate there either. So what do you need an agent
four other than you know, he's he's uh, he's done

(10:46):
the right thing, I think, And there really, there really
has been a lot of players that have done that
through the years. One guy I do remember that it
didn't work out for and I had him as a
player was Gino ojic Away in the last two years.
But Gino was a native from Canada, grew up on

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the reservation and negotiated his own contracts and took advantage
of a treaty that protected Native Canadian Indians from taxes
in Canada. When I was with the Islanders, we acquired
him from Vancouver. He had a salary that of about

(11:29):
a million dollars US per year.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
He had.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Interesting story. He was once divorced and so was paying
some alimony on that. Also, when he was traded to
US in New York, he was now subject to federal
income taxes in the United States. For the time that
he worked in the US, he was also subject to
New York state income tax while he was playing for US,

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and he was paying alimony and child support to a
previous wife who had two of his children. He came
to me one day in my office and said I'm
being divorced. And this was this was what I thought
was his second wife, and their name was Sarah Poone.

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I'll never forget the story. And he told me if
being a lawyer, he said, you know, could you help
me the next time we go to Canada, the lawyer
is going to serve me. So I arranged things with
the lawyer and we set it up and we were
actually going I think it was Montreal, and Sarah lived

(12:43):
in in Vancouver and I was talking to lawyer in Vancouver,
and we set it up so that when we went
to Montreal, he was going to be served. And the
day before we we left, I got a fax. In
the old days, he used to get faxes from a
lawyer in Ottawa saying that he represented Elizabeth Pome and

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he wanted to talk about her filing for divorce from
Geno Ojak. So of course I sent the word down
to the locker room for Gina to come see me,
see me, and I said, what's this Where I've been
talking with this lawyer in Vancouver and now I get
this from the lawyer in Ottawa and he said, oh,
she's divorcing me too, And I said what do you

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mean too? So he was actually married to two sisters,
had five children between the two of them, ended up divorced.
He was divorced three times with seven kids, and basically
he made nothing on the contract he negotiated. So there's
a wow. It's a sad story of somebody who negotiated
for himself. And also that's mother things a factive as well.

(13:49):
But as far as back to Alex in his situation
and his position, I know, krudos to him for doing
what he did. He deserves to save that money.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Posey morbid?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Okay, so all right, let me turn over to Penn
Ben and then I'm gonna go over to Jacob after that.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Go ahead, every superstar that you have in a game
and a team, you have to restructure a deal that way.
It deceives the salary Cup. And kudos to a Vegkin
for doing that when he had to just to save
his team. So that's why I got with that, all.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Right, Jacob, Oh, I love it.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
I love hearing those stories because you think of going
back to football, you think of Tom Brady, how many
times he did that so he can be able to
build a team. Right Ovechkin obviously, cares about winning the Cups.
Whatever his number may be, he cares about it. He
wants the team around him to win it and everything
like that. And they are favorites in a lot of years.

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You know what I'm saying. He builds it and considering
how many goals he has and what he's been doing,
is it any is it any wonder our title tonight
is about to watch and capitals and sand Cup favorites.
He's been the reason based off dead because he could
have just gotten all of those goals all those years
and on twenty five win teams because they can't build

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the air on anything because he has too much money.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
An well, I'm not one to recommend whether a player
has an agent or not. I mean, you know, that's
their personal decision. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The
majority of the players have agents. Some of them have
their own father as their agent. I've heard over the years.
The whole thing with me is you better know how

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much you want and how are you going to get
it and how you're going to spend it. So more
of a financial advisor. Even if some don't want to
have agents, they need a financial advisor. With some of
these huge salaries that these teams are given out a
Vegekin is a smart man, and so was Max Scherzer,
you know. And you know, some other guys like you
said that that didn't have agents are represented sometimes by

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their father. But I know, I I I give him credit,
hats off the remarkable season they've had and uh, and
he obviously had a great season individually. But yeah, I
mean you need to manage you know, how to manage
that that that cash inflow, and how to defer stuff
and and put stuff in annuities or whatever you're going

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to do with all that money. And that's the most
important thing. And uh, if you can get sound advice,
you know, I would go that route first as opposed
to doing it myself. Gave.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of not having an agent.
I get that it's a cut you're going to give
off the top, but a good agent is worth way
more than their cut. That doesn't mean that everyone needs
to have an agent, but an agent just as it
there to negotiate your contract, they're there for what Mike
was saying, if something's happening, they should be their helping you,

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you know, they should be getting you endorsement deals. There
all things that you don't have to work worry about doing.
They take all that off your plate. You don't have
to look like the bad guy to the front office.
If something happens and you need something, they're there for
a buffer between you and the general manager. For Antony
saved a.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Lot of money.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
It may work in his favor in this particular time,
but it doesn't always work. And I'm not a fan
of guys going out there and trying to be their
own agent.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
No, I can't, I think to your point, JB.

Speaker 9 (17:27):
I think it depends on where you fall in the spectrum.
Ovechkin is one of the top players, so I think
for him it worked because, like you said, there's a
salary cap and there's only so much you can take.
As far as some of the young players that are
coming up we all heard about, I mean obviously Sanders

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and now he had to fire his dad because he
went unrestricted. And then you need an agent to go
start calling for you, and they have context that maybe
you don't have, you know, because they've talked to teams
and stuff like that to get you in. So where
it worked for Avenchkin, and like you said, endorsement deals

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like who's who's working all your endorsement deals, who's fielding
all those calls and stuff like that. So I mean
kudos Tokin because it worked for him. You got to
make the right decision for you, whether you think you
need it or not, and who can help you best
for you and who's going to look out for your
best interest.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Okay, here's here's what I think of this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Number One, For Alexovetkin, it works out really, really, really well.
And I'll tell you why. I do believe that five
percent matters. But I'm going to tell you what this
really segues for our next topic. So I'm going to
go ahead and lead off with this topic and then
send it to everybody else. The reason why it works
so well for Avenchkin is this the Washington Capitals five

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Seasons on Topics conference of the among all franchises since
two thousand and nine and twenty ten, and tied for
the most since ted leonsis and I put the word
tedd Lee owns. This assumed ownership of the Capitols ahead
of the nineteen ninety nine two thousand campaign. The Capitols

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Clinton number one seat in their conference for the fifth time.
In franchise history with each instance over the last fifteen years. Also,
they were able to do it in twenty sixteen, seventeen,
twenty fifteen, sixteen, twenty ten, twenty eleven. And I can
tell you right now, ted leons this is one of

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the best owners in all of sports. I know struggle
with the Washington Wizards, but this guy body of work
in the NHL is what it is. So Ovechkin's ability
to negotiate with Ted Lee owns this to me makes
this a fascinating and successful negotiation because the owner knows
what the play is worth and the player knows what

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he's worth it the franchise, and when you connect the
two then it makes it easier. Now I will also
say this, I think what Candy was talking about with
Shiloh Sanders makes a lot of sense. He lands a
guy like through howt Rosenhaus. But I'm going to tell
you right now jv Ellis would probably agree with me.
One of the best agents of not the best agent
in sports. It leads Steinberg period. The Lee takes care

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of his people. I was fortunate enough to meet him
during the Super Bowl. What a class act he is.
So when you measure all the layers here, and that's
why I wanted to really start off with this one first.
Ovechkin leonsis no brainer. Five percent not a problem because
Leonsis knows how valuable that what Ovechkin means the Washington

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area period. All right, Mike take it from there.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
So just to finish off what everybody said regarding the
Betch game, He's obviously in a very unique situation, right
he didn't unlike Tom Brady, he didn't take one penny
less than he was able to get under the Collective

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roy agreement. He didn't need to negotiate anything. I mean,
his deal was was done. Every time he needed to
negotiate or sign a new contract. It was the maximum
allowed under the CBA, and that's what he got. He
also has a black card too, given to him by Putin,

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has no expenses, and that's true, by the way, it's true.
But on the Leons side of things, I don't know
what everybody else thinks it here, but for me, my
experience is that the single most important thing for any

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professional hockey franchise, and I would probably say any professional
sports franchise success or fail is dependent upon the owner
of the ownership. I look in the hockey world. I
look what happened in Tampa Bay for instance, that organization
floundered for years and then one a cup when Davidson

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had them for a little bit, and then went right
back to floundering. And then when they were able to
change ownership, look what happened to them. I mean the
way ownership not only treats its players in the organization,
but hires good people and most importantly, lets those people

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do their jobs. They don't meddle in things. They make
them accountable, and they you know, especially if they make
bad moves, but they let them do the jobs. And
I see some of the things that you know that
I know happened in Tampa Bay in particular. You know,
they just sold off part of that team a couple
of years ago, and he went and gave not only

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the people of the organization, but anybody who had worked
in that organization for him going back when he took
it over a portion of the money that he received
when he sold off is interest team. And so all
is a but I mean, this is the type of
stuff that goes a long way. I can tell you
when I worked for the Islanders, I often would say

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I'm negotiating a contract with so and so player. If
I could save two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in
this contract negotiation, would be the album to take that
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and spread it around
the staff, because you don't understand how much harder and
how appreciative your staff would be working for the organization.

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But it's just something that I was overlooked by a
lot of people. And my guess is that le owns
this is not a guy that overlooks that kind of stuff,
and that's why they're successful.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Right, great point, So earlier on and Mike, before we
go around the horn, while we have an opportunity. These
guys don't know your background like I do, so just
give them an overview about what you've done, okay, and
we'll talk about hot co operation shortly, which is by
the way, ploperating the show. So just give these guys
an overview real quick, and then I'll turn over de
pendsman and working around the horn on this and we'll

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do one more topic leading into a station break.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
So go ahead, Mike, all right, So, so I was
a bad hockey player, and uh, and then and then
got into management. I was an assistant general manager of
the New York Islanders, the National Predators, and the Quart
of Camp on two occasions. Actually, some people would say
I was a bad manager as well, but we'll keep

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that up.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I also worked as the commissioner and president of a
couple of major junior leagues, and also worked a hockey years.
One of my claims to fame, if you will, A
long long time ago, when I was young, I was
a part of a team of three people that actually
created the NHL All Star Weekend, including the skills competition

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in the as a hockey game. So yeah, I was.
I was one of eight college roommates and the only
one that didn't play a game in the NHL.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
And you've had a passive association with the Florida Panther,
the one, and the Islanders and who else Nashville creditors.
There you go, So there you go. This guy has
been around the horn. So there you old people, the
kind of guy that's seen it all. Alaa penman. Continue
with the Commander's team in ted leonsis as longer as
little as you want, all Right.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
I'm a Penguins fan, but I give teams where credit
is due, Folks pay attention. One about to say, because
this doesn't happen very often. The Washington Capitals are a
decent team. He starts with the owner and then you
go downward. You go with your draft. You've got to
be careful who you draft when the draft, and then

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when you trade, you gotta be careful who you tread.
The ownership knows who to trade for, who knows how
to draft. So with winning the President's Cup, to making
the playoffs, to making the Stanley Cup Finals, they he
knows what he's doing. So I got to give Washington
Capitol's a lot of credit for what they're doing. So

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and this is coming from a Pittsburgh Penguin.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Fan, So that's what I know. That's hard, Okay, Jacob
at sour Hey.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
Mike, when you did the All Star Weekend, did you
come up with the little laser thing on the puck?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
No?

Speaker 10 (26:46):
But I was working for the league when that happened.
And that's a really interesting topic because I was in
some contentious meetings about that when it was going on.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
It was it was right after Gary Batman became missionar.
He became commissioner in the beginning of ninety three and
the puck came out for the ninety three ninety four
season of Fox had signed a new TV deal with
the league, which was really the first real network deal
at the time that league had had, and they had
come up with the idea of the glowing puck. They

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called it as well as all the other little gadgets
and gizmos they had. The problem I had with it
was it didn't do what it was supposed to do.
It was supposed to help educate hockey fans. The problem
was when you put a tail on the puck, it

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doesn't tell you where the puck is going.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
It tells you where the monk was.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, I'm going to tell you how fast the puck
is going. Tells you how fast the puck went. And
the problem that people had with watching hockey for years
and years was they couldn't see the puck on the ski. Well.
I would always say that when Nolan Ryan would throw
a fastball, I couldn't see the fastball on my TV

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screen either. But I knew the game well enough, and
the producers and directors of the TV networks knew the
game well enough that knew that when he threw the
ball he was throwing it to the catcher, right, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
The thing go ahead.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I'm sorry. And when somebody hit a fly ball at
center field, they didn't put the camera on the ball
up in the air. They put it on the center
fielder and subconsciously the viewer understood what was going on
and where the ball was going. And they needed to
do more to educate the producers and directors and camera
people that were covering the game at that time that

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weren't as educated about the sport in this country as
they are even now twenty five years later. They understood that,
you know how the game worked, and you know what
the strategy of the game was that if the puck
was here, the options were, it could go here, it
could go there, Let's have a camera ready here, to
have the camera ready there. So I just thought that

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the glowing puck was something that just didn't was pose you, Yeah,
And I think that's why I altom it didn't last.
And a lot of people now give credit to high
definition TV. It's certainly helped, but I think it's really
been the education of the people that cover the sport,
meaning the camera people, the bruces, the directors and the

(29:28):
fact that they've also been able to incorporate better camera angles,
some of them close to the ice, which really accentuate
the speed and the physicality of the game. It just
makes it better for.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
And I didn't like the laser either because by the way,
I see the puck on the stick when people are
going down to the ice like Brett for instance, or
I see it on the stick you want know where else,
I see it when it's brought down in their icing it.
I still see the puck. I don't need a tail.
Another thing, here's here's a deal on this part. There

(30:02):
was a there was a podcast that I listened to
as like an old pro wrestling manager.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
He said it this way.

Speaker 7 (30:10):
They were talking about how during the time that they
were telling the world that wrestling wasn't real, that sort
of deal back in.

Speaker 8 (30:16):
The like the n eighties, nineties, that sort they.

Speaker 7 (30:18):
Said what they should have done was smart enough TV
not the fans. And I say that with hockey as
an example, it's like, give them the one that weren't
smart enough to the game, give the producers and the
camera guys and everything, give them a class. And it's
intensive give them a class, tell them how they so
they won't miss anything themselves, and you can be able

(30:41):
to do that. They've missed more with that laser. They
missed more with that laser than they would have gotten
from that in the first place. It's like it was
a gimmick, which I don't like the gimmicks in the
first place. But just to bring up real quickly about
leonsis he is one of my that is one of
my favorite type of owners by itself, completely and positively

(31:01):
because I need I need an owner that will make
their money. They will make a profit, there's their idea,
because that's what a business does.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
But he also wants to.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
Win because I think of because I think of so
many I think of a Bob Nutting in Pittsburgh, and
everything is profit obviously because they've got one guy. They've
got schemes that'll lose him in two years. And it's
like because they're not going to pay him what the
market value will be. Everything about everything about him is

(31:33):
about winning. And there's not a ton of there's not
a ton whatsoever of owners that are like that right now,
especially in this new world of the real estate market
where they're trying everybody's trying to make more money. And
with that real estate market, you can have a sixty
win season if you're in baseball, to a thirty twenty
win season and still make a profit. I like one

(31:55):
that wants to win.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Really good point. I mean, like what you just said
with with Pittsburgh, right and ownership and the Pirates. Look
at the difference between the Tampa Bay Rays and the
Tampa Bay Lightning right down to ownership right, and and
your owner to put the money in there. Now, he
can make the people accountable that are making the decisions,

(32:21):
but he's got to let them make the decisions right,
and he's got to give them the opportunity to do
their jobs. And unfortunately, or fortunately in this day and age,
it takes money for these people to do their jobs
and to keep the players that are good players and
go out and seek the players that are going to
cost more money.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Interesting points all the way around. George iiicourn Le.

Speaker 11 (32:45):
Okay, Yes, he deserves credit, and he has made himself
quite a quite a strong obviously Stanley Cup contender.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
Well, let's not forget the capital has also a lot
a lot of people down over the years. He owns
one Stanley Cup, not four like Mike Yelich, he owns one.
I'm not trying to say that he's not a good owner.
All I'm saying is there have been years when they
did not live up to their expectations, the Washington Capitals,
and now they're playing well. It's hard to believe really

(33:18):
for me. They beat out the Tiger the Red Wings
by one point and this year, this year they win
fifty five games. I mean, that was a dramatic shift.
And congratulations have had had pass off to Ted and
his team. But yeah, no, he's had some lean years
there too, and obviously with the Washington Wizards basketball team's
had a lot of bad teams. But I like his style.

(33:41):
I do like his style, and I think it's good
for hockey and it's good for a professional ownership.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Can j bi ellis the.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
Hardest thing in the world for an owner. You know,
who spends back with the otis bought a hundreds of
millions now billions of dollars to buy it team. To
just be quiet and let the guys you hire, like
Mike do their job. There's a lot of money at stake.
It's not easy just sitting in the back and you know,

(34:12):
write in checks and giving the front office staff, the
support they need. You want to be involved, you know.
But at the same time, a good owner needs to
just know where where they need to be. And every
organization's different, you know. George Steibrenner had to learn he

(34:32):
had a step back and put baseball people in charge
like g and Michael and Buck Showalter to start winning.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
So it takes not everyone's cut out to own a team.
Just because you have money doesn't make you a good owner.
Look at Jerry Jones. Would anyone say he's a good
order of the Cowboys? Look at what they've done since
they went to their Super Bowl runs when he first
bought the team. You know, But Leontis is at a
great job with the Capitals. But what is he with

(35:00):
the Wizards?

Speaker 6 (35:01):
You know?

Speaker 5 (35:02):
So does that mean he's a bad basketball owder but
a good baseball, good hockey owner?

Speaker 6 (35:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
No, I will you great points on the way around
George Steinbrenner book show Walter G. Michael. I had a
chance to do George Steinbrenner, that's in my book.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Listens on from the micro bro which Candy is about
to take a station break. After the next topic, Candy
have the last word on less well, of course he does.
Though I will say this, I am predicting the Washington
Capitals to win Stanley Cup playoffs. My win Stanley Cup
the year, I promise prediction, Washington Capitols will win it all.
Now putting that on record right now, ted leons the

(35:39):
Storge I can. We'll get his second Cup and we'll
be drinking the bubbly.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
All right.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
With that said, I had to put it in there. Candy,
you got the last word. We have one more topics.
We go to a station break. She'll move along, really
really nice to have a lot of great stuff I
had after the station break, all right.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
Candice so Leonisis graduated from Georgetown University back in nineteen
seventy seven. As of twenty twenty three, he held a
net worth of two point eight billion. As CEO of
Monumental Sports, he has used the threat of leaving Washington,
d C to demand the District of Columbia taxpayers subsidize

(36:17):
the operation of his DC based teams. He actually if
you look at he is the founder, majority owner, chairman,
and CEO of Monumental Sports and Entertainment, which owns the
NHL's Washington Capitals, NBA's Washington Wizards, NBA G League's Capital

(36:37):
City Go Go, WNBA's Washington Mystics, and formerly the AFL
Washington Valor and Baltimore Brigade. Additionally, they own the Capitol
One Arena in Washington, d C. And manages the MedStar
Capitals ice Plex and George Mason and the University's Eagle

(37:01):
Bank Arena. So he's got a lot on his plate
if you think about all those teams that he's involved in,
and as he's the CEO of that company that owns
all of those, it's it's interesting because as I look

(37:21):
at some of the fan bases that I'm a part of,
like the Green Bay Packers, they don't have a majority
owner like this. They're owned by the fans, which is
one of the very different than a lot of the
other teams. But he's obviously had some success, maybe not
as much as some of the other others. Will Washington

(37:46):
do it this year? That remains to be seen. But
with that being said, we're going to go to a
station identification.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
More actually this topic, but because it's a really short one,
we won't have to go along on this one. But
we touched it on it last week. Mike and I'm
going to re entering on it again. So this brute
the Boston Bruins records and firing Jim Montgomery was twenty
twenty seven and six. The Blues iron him are thirty two,

(38:13):
sixteen and six. We talked about them, Mike. Now you
have the records. What are your thoughts about what took
place there? With this record? You talk about the Boston
Brewer not making the playoffs, little wone finishing dead last.
I have a feeling there's a lot of long days
ahead for them. And we know that the Blues are playing,
and we'll talk about them a little bit later.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
From talk to Mike, Well, I think Boston Bruins GM
Don Sweeney, who's a friend, really got himself into some
problems the last several years. I'll say, and I won't
include Ken neely On in this because I think ly

(38:51):
or fortunately, he's uh, he's protected because of his status
as a as a legendary player are in Boston. Also
not the GM, he's the president at least entitle But
let's not forget that Sweeney maybe listened to the players

(39:14):
a little too much and did the team of Bruce Cassidy,
who then went to Vegas the very next year and
won the Stanley Cup in Vegas. Uh we brought in
Jim Montgomery, who in his first season coaching the Bruins
set the record for you know, most points in the

(39:34):
season by an NHL team of all time. And then
you know, early in his third season in Boston and
they arguably had a successful season. The following year, they
both years they got knocked out by the eventual Stanley
Cup finalists Florida Panthers. And and then he moves into

(40:00):
this season and I think again it just shows you
where the where the power is shifted now to players,
particularly in hockey. He got rid of another coach who
was very successful there, and this coach walked into the
Saint Louis team that was in the bottom of the heat,

(40:21):
and you know, was one of the best teams for
the last half of the season and now is now
is deadlocked with the best team in the Western Conference
to maybe win this round series. So you combine those
two coaching blunders where I truly believe he just listened
to players who are complaining too much. With the fact

(40:44):
that he really screwed up his goaltending situation last year too.
He had two good goaltenders that were splitting time in
the last two years. And he had one one guy
in Omark that was signed. He had an other guy
in Swaying, and he was coming up for a contract.
And what did he do. He traded all Mark before

(41:07):
he negotiated a contract. But Sway he moved all Mac out,
all Mark out, and then Swaying all of a sudden,
his agent Anyway upped his demands and said, I want
eight million dollars the year for eight and and they

(41:28):
said no, and they leave any camp and he and
he forced his hand and uh, they ended up giving
him what he wanted and now they're screwed. The kid
was very disappointing this year. I couldn't live up to
the to the money and they're stuck with him. So, yeah,
the Bruins in a tough spot. They moved on, you know,

(41:49):
their captain, Marshaan, you know, good or bad, they're they're
probably not going anywhere with him. But they started they
decided to draw the line with marsha On in his
contract extension negotiat our negotiations, and so they moved them
out at the trade deadline. The other problem, I mean,
you guys are the Detroit fans here and even the

(42:10):
Pittsburgh fans on this podcast understand is it's not a
twenty one team league anymore, and you've got a salary
cap to manage. So when you're in that window to win,
you've got to stay in that window as long as
you can to give yourself a chance to win. The
whole thing. The problem with that, besides making some tough

(42:35):
decisions on some good players for financial reasons, is that
now you're drafting thirty second in the first round instead
of twenty first or twenty second. And there's a lot
difference when it comes to drafting hockey players that you're
watching play when they're sixteen and seventeen years old. There's

(42:57):
a big difference between you know, winning the championship and
drafting the twenty first best player compared to now, with
the league at its size, the thirty second best player.
It's much more difficult to build your team through the
draft than it used to be. And that's also a
problem for those teams that are sort of stuck in

(43:19):
that middle forever, right I mean, that's that seems to
be where Detroit is right now. They're in that middle ground.
Where they just can't get the big time draft pick.
Pittsburgh's finding themselves in that area now too. They let's
face it, they lucked into Mariel Lemue followed by Sydney Crosby.

(43:41):
And when I say lucked into, they happen to have
the first pick, you know, once by lottery when those
guys were available. But how often are those guys available
once or twice every twenty years or so. We just
saw what happened with Chicago, who stayed in the window
of winning as long as they could, finally went to

(44:03):
the bottom, ended up winning the lottery and in my opinion,
made the wrong pick. They took Baguard Connor Beguard with
all the pressure on what you know, Connor Burgard going
to be the next superstar. And the Sharks who lost
the lottery with the second pick fell into Celebrini, who's
the better player. So it's uh, the leagues are in

(44:25):
all sports, the leagues are bigger now. It's even more
difficult to build through the draft. I mean they look
at the NFL. We just saw it's it's a big
difference between having and picks one through three, you know,
to ten through thirteen to twenty through twenty three to
thirty through thirty two, right, and that's that's what we're seeing.

(44:46):
And Boston. Boston's in a heap of trouble.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Okay, Pathman, I deferral this one.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Okay, no problem, So I'll defer to the fact that
the Washington Capitals want tonight's game four to one to
eliminate the munch you Canadians as your first final to
night the Capitols taed Lee Oltis, Alex Oveskin moving on
the round two? All right, you know what, jab Ill
has some thoughts.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Yeah, I'm not a huge Washington fan. I think Carol
Lotta stuns them in the playoffs here.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
As far as far as the Blues and the Bruins,
what's your thoughts about Jim Montgomery obviously leaving one and
landing a better job that season.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Mike on this one. Sometimes
things just don't work out either. Players have input, and
you know, nowadays players have more input than ever before.
That would never happen years ago. You know, it's sometimes
you know, your message just doesn't get through the group
of guys that are in that locker room, but you
go somewhere else and you know you're new. It's like

(45:54):
Buck Showalter. I had the opportunity to cover the Oreos
the year after Sholwarter Showalter up and I spoke a
bunch of the beat reports that covered the team throughout
the years, and they said Buck was great. But the
problem with Buck was his his show. His act wore
off after a couple of years. You know, everyone loved
him at the beginning. By year three it was like,

(46:16):
get this guy out of here. You know, he was hard,
it was a lot of work, and people just got
tired of him. And you know they sometimes that just happened.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
It's just pleasure.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Everybody has different things that respond make them respond, and
sometimes you know, even though you could be the best coach,
best manager in the world, it just doesn't work out
in that situation.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah, can I can?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
I I think that's a really good point that JB
made at the end there. You know, it used to
be the old some guys need a kick in the behind,
some guys need a pat on the head, right, and
that was part of coaching and managing and everything else.
But now it's like nobody wants to kick in the behind,
so you better on the head and and in the

(47:05):
hockey world anyways. The media now is controlled by podcasts
and and who are the leaders in the hockey world
with podcasts and social media. They're former players and not
only former players but recent former players. It was like
missing curfew, which is upshot Scottie Upshaw and she and

(47:27):
O'Brien uh spitting chicklets with Ryan Whitney and Paul Bissonette,
like these are the guys that have all the influence,
and they are the guys that are connected to the
players and not management, not ownership, and so everything's being
directed at like you know what the players want, and
you know again, it's it's it's a it's a culture now,

(47:49):
at least in hockey and I think probably other sports
too when you see some of the stuff that's been
going on with the football and especially basketball, where guys
are just like they want don't don't kick me in
the behind, just pat me on the head. If you
don't pat me on the head, I'm I'm gonna you know,
I'm gonna go up to the media and you'll be gone.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Interesting Interesting from both all right, George Iichorn.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
H I'm so mixed up here. I what was your
original question Scott.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Well, my original question was a Bros. Record then firing
Jim Montgomery, Blues hiring thirty two.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Well, Detroit tried to wave that magic wand too, and
they almost got away with it, but it didn't happen. No,
this is not unusual. Coaches come into different situations, different teams.
What is unusual, though, is you know when they're when
they're able to make such a dynamic impact, which Saint
Louis is doing right now in their fight to get

(48:50):
a victory in the first round of the playoffs. You
know this is he's a good coach, He's a solid coach,
and things went sour so much in Boston. I I
feel kind of sorry for him because I know that
that was has always been a very strong franchise, one
of the original six, always good coaching, good players over
the years, and things just weren't going right anymore. And

(49:11):
the old motto is a change of scenery. Change of
scenery works a lot for players, but it also works
for coaches. And what can I say? The Blues made
the right higher. They did a good job and plucking
him the Blues.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Okay, good point, George, all right, Jacob.

Speaker 7 (49:27):
All right, Mike, I was gonna bring this waiting my
time on this. You were an assistant GM. Correct, Yes,
let me bring this part up to you, because these
guys heared enough from me, so you're gonna hear it.
One of the first times you keep saying the players
have the power. You're correct, the players have the power.
But there's one more power that does not deserve to
have power, but they do. Anyways, the moron fans. You

(49:51):
talk about these podcasts from these players. Players, mind you,
they played, but the morons listen. Morons think they know
what they're talking about, the fans, and then they say.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Fire him, fire him, fire the.

Speaker 7 (50:05):
First two game losing streak, and guess what this is
what happens by itself. It happens in football, it happens
and hockey happens in basketball. The thing is, since you
were absistant GM, you're the first one I've ever talked
to that I've wanted to say this. I did it
by itself. It's like, take one part of the power
structure away. Quit listening to fans, quit giving them the

(50:30):
time of day, ignore them. And I'm talking about the
owners too. I'm just saying that it's like you can
be able to answer in the second I think. But
here's my thing about the Jim Montgomery it's the same
as Craig Berub and Craig Berub and when he came
on in there and they came completely rescued him. And
then after that, the only thing I have he completely

(50:50):
rescued him. They got Stanley Cup, the first one. The
whole thing I have now is after Jim Montgomery saved
the hypothetically he gets a cup, will they have an
I mean, will they have the sophomore jinks?

Speaker 8 (51:04):
Will they have that again? Or will they continue their success?

Speaker 7 (51:07):
Because I just remember twenty nineteen to twenty twenty and
that was just that. But that's just my whole thing, Mike,
if you bring that part up the player, I'd rather
the players have power because as much as the players
have power, I'd rather they have the power because they're there,
they're in the locker room, they have the thing, they
go through contracts, they do all that stuff. Same with
all that stuff they the owners and everything in front

(51:31):
office is listen to fans too much.

Speaker 8 (51:32):
And I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, I agree, the uh, the fans have too much
of us say in what's going on in these teams.
But they have no downside, right, they have nothing to risk.
They're not going to lose their job. You know, they
could go on the sports radio or listen to podcasts.

(51:56):
They can tell they're friends they should trade this guy
or not play that guy. And if they're wrong, So
what I say this, I agree with you. I think
the fans have too much to say. And I don't know.
I don't know why in sports organizations still cater to

(52:23):
and listen to the fans so much because their money
isn't coming from ticket sales anymore.

Speaker 7 (52:30):
Well, this is the thing about it. You're correct.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Look the money's coming from broadcasting dollars in all sports.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
And real estate and all that stuff. But see that's
but see this is the thing even if it came
from tickets, hypothetical, even if it came from tickets.

Speaker 8 (52:46):
This is the thing about this.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
A lot of these idiots that are blabbing off, they
are working, They are living off of rage, alcohol and gambling.
They don't know what they're saying. They say, I'll never
come back to this game again. If you don't get
rid of this guy, they'll be back. They will fill
this the first two game winning street. They will fill
the stadium. They are living their emotional knit wins. They're
living off that. And it's like the thing is they

(53:12):
get their bluff called all the time, and then you
get the new loose people then like I'll just say
the Milwaukee Bucks. It's like, oh no, Adrian Griffin's too
tough on us. We gotta get let's go get Doc
Rivers at thirty and thirteen. They do this in these
sports all the time. Too often.

Speaker 8 (53:31):
It is that is the biggest thing.

Speaker 7 (53:33):
Is there gonna be one owner or one GM or
one anything that is going to be like you fans
know nothing, You're not in the grind.

Speaker 8 (53:40):
You don't know a thing. Call their bluff.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
I guarantee the first couple of game winning streak they'll
be back.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, and I know this is going on for a
while though. I think it's an important thing you bring up, Jacob.
It's let's not forget that. I don't want to include
everybody in this, but I'll include myself. Like we're old, okay,
we grew up watching sports like we'd put on a
ballgame or a hockey game or whatever, and we'd actually

(54:08):
watched the whole game, right, Like we have information and
statistics and learn the game. That's not what That's not
what young people do.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Now.

Speaker 12 (54:19):
Most young people that I know, they don't watch an
NFL football game. They put on the red zone and
they're worried about their fantasy team, right, And just like
you're saying, Jacob, and what's happens if they're fantasy players
not doing well? They just get rid of them, pick
up another player.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
And this is how they sports, right, Like everybody's disposable,
and I try this, and if it doesn't work, we'll
try that, and if it doesn't work, we'll try this.
And it's his fault fall, it's everybody's fault. And oh,
by the way, I'm not going to watch the game though.
I'm just gonna you know, I got to go do
something else.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
It's that's that's what we have. And I would I
would say that twenty years from now, definitely thirty years
from now, there won't be a podcast like this with
people on it. They have experience from actually watching sports
their whole life and watching game after game and having
stories they can tell about remember that game and I

(55:11):
went to that game, and yeah, people, they aren't going
to have these types of stories or these conversations. They're
not going to have anywhere near the knowledge about the
about the sport, even though they have all this information
easily accessible.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
To Well, they're too busy just saying they're too big.
I mean, they don't want to look that part up.
That's because we have something called TikTok Ooh look twenty seconds.
You know they have those. That's all of it, that's
what they got. It's like it's like the eight second fish,

(55:44):
you know what I mean, Adhd, That's exactly what it is,
and that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Do any George, do any kids know how to keep
scoring a ball game anymore?

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Not really?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Rarely? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I mean we sit in front of the TV when
we're kids and make our own little lineup cards and
looking so I'm going to put it backwards, Kale my
card right, like yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
All right, Candy. What are your thoughts of all this?

Speaker 9 (56:18):
Well, there's a lot, there's a lot in there. Like Dust,
I think times have changed so much that even me,
as a manager of employees.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
That you have to learn how to.

Speaker 9 (56:33):
How to manage them, how to coach them, because everybody
wants something different. You know, some people want public praise,
some people want quiet praise. You know, do the fans
have too much? Say oh yeah, oh yeah, that's for sure.
And we've become such an instant society that we want

(56:54):
results instantly, and some of us that are Mike, like
you said, I mean, I'll put myself in this. I'm
not the youngest person on this panel, even I've been
around the block a couple of times. We've become such
an instant society that we want results now. So if
I hire a coach today, I want to see you
winning this first year already. And if I don't get that,

(57:18):
and I don't get the results I want, or somebody
in the in the organization says that, you know, I
could be a superstar of one of the teams and
says he's not getting along with them, Bye bye coach,
or and it's it's it's crazy that we've come down
to that. I think we've seen the last of like

(57:39):
the long tenured coaches, because I don't think they're going
to put up with all of this, as we've seen
some before, like the Bill Belichick in the NFL, Like
now he's in college and I don't with nil, I
don't know how long you'll see you'll see burnout of coaches.
I think you're going to see that more and more.

(58:00):
And with some of the superstars dictating things, I think
you're gonna see less and less and more burnout in
the coaching or manager ranks.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Okay, since jb Ellis is back on the show, I
have to do this. Okay, listen okay, because he doesn't listen,
you know, here's what I have to say on it again, JV.
I don't know if that's a good in person or not,
but I'm trying to get it right anyways. Like Jacob,

(58:35):
he is consistent. I don't care what fans think at all.
George Aikhorn and I can probably attest. Being in a
press box to me is like being in the penthouse.
I don't have to listen to them. I can stay
away from these people. I don't like to go to
games with fans because they get on my nerves. I
can't work. I go to these environments simply to work.

(58:57):
If I want to listen to them babble through their
alcohol and their high calorie meals and whatever else they
want to throw out their fine, I don't want to
know part of it. So listen, you know, we all
know that it's a win now gratification. If you don't
believe me, tell me why Dan Bilesman got booted after

(59:18):
one year with the Seattle Crack and after Dave Hackstall
I thought did a pretty decent job. It should have
given them one more year in the first place. But
that's another story. I don't care what you're saying. Well whatever, Okay,
you know you can defer all you want, but now
you don't have to defer, okay, because now the MotorCity
manmouth rowing there baby. And I didn't mind staying lasting

(59:42):
because I enjoyed the entertainment that I won't look my
voice on the show because I got plenty of people
to make sure I don't lose it. But anyway, listen there, JB.
We're gonna get it right by the end of it.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
But the bottom line.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Is is this Jason, as always is on point.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I don't care what the fans think, you think.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
I'm gonna sit here, and as a media person, I'm
not gonna ask a guy whether he's on the hot
seat either. I won't do it because that particular person
and George don't say it. I'll do it for you.
When Steve Weiserman was presented this question the other day.
I get paid by the illagis, not the fans and
the reporters.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
And he's right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I think Steve Wiserman will be fine with that one
top free agent and some decent draft choice. He's drafted well.
But the bottom line is, I don't care. The fans
are gonna say what they want, big deal. I don't
care because here's the thing that I've learned being on
the inside, Mike, being on the inside, when I've talked
to general managers, that don't it before we get inside

(01:00:42):
information of how they think. So therefore I'm the last
guy in the world's gonna sit here and second guess
the guy. If I thought it was so good at
the job, don't you think I'd.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
Apply for it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
No, the only thing I even came close and I
bombed on this one. And Bill Keenes went to Arizona
when the the Lions were playing Arizona State. And here's
what ended up happened. Okay, I gave him a stat
sheet of Joey Harrington. Is what I ended up doing.
And what do you think ends up happening?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Here you go, I saw Joey Harrington blow out, have
some incredible numbers when he was at Oregon and how
do what do you think happened? The Lions drafted Joey
Harrington and he didn't work out so well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
So I knew to stay out of that seat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Although Bill not a gentle matter, I just gave him
a souvenir of a great quarterback that lit up that
lit it up, you know, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
So I'm staying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Out of that arena.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
I don't want to do it, man, I don't care period,
end of the story. But now we go to that
station break and as we wait for Jacob Christler to
come back on, and I reiterated his point, Jacob, the
only thing you missed was I am not a general manager.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
And when I handed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Bill Keenness, they played by playoffoll. Well, Joey Harrington did
the Lions draft them?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
He didn't really do that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
I think the thing Harrington fell victim to was having
so many coaches and coordinators in a short period of time,
and that rectum like it does with every other quarterback.
I am not in the business to go out there
and be a general manager. I asked questions just because
I want to learn from these guys and they have
to deal with it with their employer. And it's just

(01:02:27):
too bad that everybody's going to win now mode. But
there's a lot of money being spent on these players,
like millions of dollars, So everybody's looking to win a
little bit quicker two the three years. And look how
many head coaching vacancy as there are in the NHL.
And that'll be for another day and another time.

Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 7 (01:02:43):
What the one thing the fans say, and I say,
I want Mike to hear this what I've said, This
one thing that the fans always says, I've got high expectations.
Here's the thing about what their high expectations are. Their
ideas that they bring out are they're gonna help to
make the team lose. But even if they help make
it win, it's one cup, one ring one. They just

(01:03:07):
want to see it for their own selfishness.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
One.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
They don't have a long term deal. And that's the
big thing that I have with it. And personally to me,
the different between me and other fans. And I can
say this, Mike, I want your job, even if it's
an assistant to GM. I want that that I would
not mind going right into that grind and doing something
like that.

Speaker 8 (01:03:28):
Those people wouldn't last two minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Good point. All right, now the time for a station.
I'll go ahead, Mike, you get last bird.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I don't use only fans, just so everybody knows.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Okay, there you go. Well you've been in that seat
for you know how everything goes? Jay, Oh, glad to me.
I want your job. Okay, no problem, but you have
to come on. You have to wear that hat that
we gifted yet. All right, we'll go to a station
of break candy, I'm blink, a few more topics to
get to, and a couple of news updates or shows
Google along. I know we have some heavy handy topics.

(01:04:02):
We have a guy like Mike Santos on the air.
You want to make sure we address a guy like
him and make sure he gives us everything he has.
And he always on his eight game every time I
seem when he comes on. So all right, ken'dy stage
or break down?

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
Go ahead.

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Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
All right, Let's stay in Boston for a few moments,
and that's it's a Boston Celtics sale of six point
one billion dollars for passes the NFL's Washington Commanders at
six point oh five billion, for the highest sum ever
for a North America's sports team. Builchish own managing partner
of Symphony Technology Group, bought the Celtics from the groups

(01:05:32):
Back family. Nobody more familiar with that area than Mike
Santos or your thoughts about the Boston Celtics catching this
amount of money.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Well, I think it's crazy in all sports, the value
of these franchises right now. Right the Florida Panthers ten
years ago were bought by Vinnie Violo for about a
reported about one hundred and twenty eight million, of which

(01:06:03):
about million was dead, and now they're valuated over two
billion dollars. I think it's just crazy the way the
value these franchise have been inflated. I mean, to me
that it all started. You want to talk about the Celtics,
It all started in basketball, and it started in basketball

(01:06:24):
when Balmer stuck his nose in there and everybody was
bid and four and five hundred million for the Clippers,
and he came in and blew everybody away with two
billion dollars right and from there it's just taken off.
But it's it's yeah, I mean, it's outrageous. And again
it's it's all built on ev money and social media.

(01:06:49):
And when you look at the value of NBA teams
like the Celtics, I mean I guess some of that
has to do with the fact that they did two players.
There are two star players right now, Brown and Tatum
make over sixty million a year each. Like that, it's
just outrageous. And then and then you know they're not

(01:07:11):
like this, at least not yet. But when I look
around the NBA with all this load management garbage it's
going on, and guys that don't want to play, and
guys rolling around on the court every time, like like
the guy out in LA every time, you know, he
pretends that he gets spot. Yeah, yeah, he runs around

(01:07:32):
on the on the floor. It's ridiculous. But I don't know.
I mean, as a Celtics fan, I'm glad it went
to a local guy. I think, uh, I think what
the owner did last year, he knew he was selling
the team, he went out and uh, he renewed every
single guy on that championship team last year and brought

(01:07:53):
him back and basically going to be the next owner's problem.
So this is easy. I don't have to be a
bad guy and start cutting contracts loose. I'll just sign
everybody and the next guy will come in and buy
it and it'll be his problem. But it's it's outrageous.
I think what these are valued at. And I come
from the hockey world where although like we just talked

(01:08:15):
about le owns this ca Andy said, his net worth
is like two billion dollars like that is nothing compared
to the average net worth of an NFL owner or
NBA owner. I always thought in the hockey world that
most of the guys that were buying those teams, although
much more wealthy than at least me, I don't know

(01:08:37):
about you, folks, they didn't compare to the owners when
it came to wealth in other sports. And that's why
hockey often had a lot of owners that really had
no background in hockey. This was just the professional sport
that they could afford to own. But I don't know,
I'd be worried that a lot of this that a

(01:09:01):
lot of this inflation of of are valuations of teams
is u is very dust and make believe.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Yeah, every team goes through this. And I'm glad that
Mario mu saved the Penguins when he did. They were out,
they went up for there. Mario Lemuse save the Penguins
bottom out, then took it over from Ray Sharrow ship.
Ray Shirow died and then they have this this GM

(01:09:34):
it just goes over. Now the Commanders they're talking about
selling their team. Dan Sneyder bested up the team. They
made the NFC Championship game last year. We'll see what
happens this year with them. Every team goes through this,
we'll go. So whoever picks them, Glad Boston's doing well.
They they're they aren't. They're on the verge of repeating.

(01:09:56):
So that's my take on that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Trying to add something before you go, because you know
what he just said Hensman just said is uh, it's
interesting because the Penguins, like you're right, Mary lem YOUU
stepped in and saved them out of bankruptcy, right and
really was the reason why they were able to be
successful for the next twenty five years. But now they're

(01:10:23):
owned by Fenway Sports Group. Mm hmm, okay, right, give
a darn about the Penguins. Just the Penguins are just
part of their portfolio with Liverpool and you know when
the auto racing teams lay own and everything else, and
this is where we're at, right, I Mean, we see
all these sports franchises that are selling pieces off to

(01:10:48):
private equity firms and and this is what's driving up
the so called value of these teams. But are they
really making them better? I mean, are they making they
making sports? They're just all part of their big portfolio
for social media or whatever else they're involved in.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
He's not making the pay much better, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Well, I mean, let me let me set the records
train with you, Pens. Then okay, Daniel Snyder sold it
to Josh Harris, so he's with Josh Harris buying the team.
You get Magic Johnson involved in what do you think
you have? Magic knows how to win. Josh Harris is
a really good owner, and the commanders. I'm gonna until
later on the show, so we'll leave it at that, JBL.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
You know, the valuation in sports is completely ridiculous nowadays.
It's team's values are ridiculous, player salaries are ridiculous, ticket
prices are absurd. You know the fact that regional sports
networks are going bankrupt nowadays, we have teams that own

(01:11:56):
their own regional sports networks, which is genius. Pull the
money in house, you know. And I heard yesterday that
Yes actually bought out or was about to buy an MSG,
which is phenomenal. The Yankees little control all of New
York sports except for actually no, I think except for whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Is on the Mets station.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
But who cares whatever the Mets have because their garbage anyway,
except for Steve Coda. I like the guy. He's he's
the new steinburner, but I'm a Yankee fan, so I
have to hate him.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
It's, you know, kind of like light a owner right on,
right on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
You bought the rug.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
Team, you know, but it's you know, good for the
good for the previous owner, get your money, and you
don't want to do it anymore. I love the fact
that he signed his guys. But similar similar to hockey
where we're talking about Ve Good, I mean the salary
cap in the NBA nowadays, your top guys get what
they're going to get. You know, it doesn't really change much.

Speaker 6 (01:12:56):
It's good.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
It's a good move, you know, give her everybody their buddy.
The new guy knows what he has to deal with
as far as pricing. He knows this is going to
be a salary and move on and to go forward.
Everything's done. Uh and you know what, the Celtics are
still going out there and winning. They're probably gonna get
to another championship. Series, and I can't really con play

(01:13:17):
the Celtics or the Celtics. I mean, there's only one
of them. And thank god the Lakers with Lebron are
about to get beat out of the playoffs. How he's
getting pushed around by Anthony Edwards and he wants to
even be considered the goat conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
The man is a joke. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
I wish I could get my son into the NBA.
But I don't have a son, nor do I play
in the NBA. But if I did, I do a
better job than Lebron would to get him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
In the only thing I'll say about the Sun thing is,
Mike can't. Bucky is so smart. He's smart.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
Any of them I got, you would get him as
a fifteenth pick. I don't know what pick Bronny was,
I forget, but he wasn't fifteen. He was later than that.
You'd get Bucky as a fifteenth I'll take him.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
I'll tell you one thing. He does more than candy
mind games than anybody I've ever seen. We got a
Harvard cat Our house. Let me tell you at Boots,
he's just a nice little child. He's just a nice
little boy. He doesn't all he is is follow follow
the brilliance, and I'm gonna before I prefer the George
Jacob and Candy here's what I'm going to say about

(01:14:23):
the whole thing. Number one, Mike, you make an excellent point.
The guy didn't he re signed all of his players
and they're competing for yet another title. He did not
short change and he deserved to get six point one
billion dollars. Let's talk about Steve Boehmer. Remember that franchise
was in a heap of trouble because he had Donald Sterling, right,

(01:14:44):
I think it was the racist So that was an
absolute train wreck. What do you think happened? Steve Boehmer
buys a team, You're bringing new energy, a new owner
that there's a lot of money, they're competitive again. And
what happens you build the intwo It Dome and then
you bring on Tyron Lews. So the Clippers did everything right,

(01:15:04):
and you've got stability with yet another NBA team in
LA with the Clippers, who've always been second run anyways,
and here's a little footnote to that. They actually have
a farm team called the San Diego Clippers as well.
For those of you that are historic people, So there's
a little piece of information. But with Steve Palmer's unbelieva here,

(01:15:28):
he runs a great ship over there. I'm glad Jeff
Van Gundy landed there as a defensive coach. I think
he deserves another opportunity somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Anyways.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
But when you compare and contrast the situation, more power
to the Celtics guy. It really has dollars. All you're
doing is buying a championship team. You're not buying damage goods.
All you're buying is on Iconicy with twenty some odd
championships anyways, or it was at eighteen. I'll get the

(01:15:58):
twenty before it's over with. But that's what they're buying.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Go ahead, No, you're right, You're right, Scott. I mean
that's that's I mean, he he they were the championship team.
He went out and renewed all these players. So that's
why he was able to get the money he was
able to get for this thing. But when we're talking
about media companies and private equity, let's not for ourselves.
The future of it's going to drive all sports and

(01:16:24):
going to drive ownership is gambling. That's what's true. I mean, like,
look at all these you know, Ballely's went under last year,
and now who are a lot of these teams broadcasting
their games with FanDuel games like this is that's the
future it's going to be. You know, all these sports

(01:16:45):
are going to be driven by gambling.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Well you can already see it everybody. One of these
days they'll bring a gambling expert. That's another thing. And
like Jay says, gambling, Look what fantasy sports did the sports.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Well there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
I'm that's just gonna make the fans worse, cha right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
And and by the way, I was gonna say this,
and here is the second George, because I'm just gonna
say this part. I'll get it to you. The one
thing you bring up you brought up with named Fenway group.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Group. Group.

Speaker 7 (01:17:18):
You brought that part. It's a group now. Larry Bird
actually read this in an interview. He wanted to get
a group together to buy the Celtics few years ago,
but they priced him out and then Birt's got a
nice amount of money. So you's telling you something. But
here's the thing. If the Celtics weren't winning and getting
as close as they are and winning all these titles

(01:17:38):
and getting chances people would have found that out. They
would have because Bird is legend there. So Boston is
what they're doing. But by one more thing before this,
by the way, Scott, Yeah, Balmer's not done everything correct.
I can say one thing. He made a mistake. He
got James James Harden on that team. You don't win

(01:17:58):
a title at all with James.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Well, you gotta wait a minute, hold it, really, seriously, really,
you gotta be against James Harden.

Speaker 7 (01:18:06):
I know I've been saying this. I've been saying this
for thirteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I know that's why you have a benna against them.

Speaker 8 (01:18:13):
I have to just say what I say.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
I know I say what they're saying. Yeah, I mean
you're you're looking to pick this guy baller part. But
we had to have a James Harden reference.

Speaker 7 (01:18:22):
That's what will because I haven't saying it before the
other people got into it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I know you're consistent. Really seriously, really, James Harden, I
can't believe heard his name on the show again.

Speaker 12 (01:18:35):
Well let's remember, let's remember Lebron is a member of
the Fenway Sports Group and the only.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Reason they weren't seriously considered for the Celtics ownership is
because the league's gonna give them the Vegas franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
That's already been trauma.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
So now Mike Sandos wants to get in Weld with
an NBA show with me. Oh, I'll think about that.
I gotta eight topic when you come back on here again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Be brought that up.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
You just gave me an idea of Mike and wants
an idea's days with me. It doesn't go away. Good stuff, though, Jacob,
I knew that there was a James Hard reference. I
just didn't know what it was coming. But I'm glad
you did it on this platform. All right, George Iiicorn
and the old piano? What what are you jumping up
or notes with this topic? Then we turned over to
Candy and we have a couple more other things we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Get to go ahead, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:19:24):
So there was a net one thousand, seven hundred percent
return on that six point one billion dollar NBA sale.
I'll repeat that, the Boston Service owners net one thousand,
seven hundred percent return. Now you know you're talking about
one of the glamorous franchises like Scott alluded to. We're
not talking about here the Washington Wizards We're talking about

(01:19:47):
eighteen time NBA champions, So of course this price is
going to be exhorbed at no question about it, just
like the Lakers, or the Dodgers or the well, you know,
the Yankees. I mean, let's not hit ourselves. The price
is ridiculous. I agree, everything that's been said. You know,
everything's driving this up. You know, the huge television contracts

(01:20:09):
are negotiating. Teams get so much out of that pie
and all the other naming rights, and of course all
the brand, the merchandise they sell and everything. High ticket
prices I believe my friend Jabi were mentioned. But that's
what it is now. That's what pro sports is these days,
and it's not going to get any different anytime soon,

(01:20:30):
I don't think so. Detroit Pistons are sold to a
guy who loves to sit in the front row and
he likes to wear his clothes like he's back in
the nineteen eighties at a disco dance. Tom Gores a
platinum equity. Does that sound familiar? Equity? Another guy making
money and then putting it into a sports team with
very mixed results, as you guys know, until this year.

(01:20:53):
So all I'm saying is that Yeah, this is craziness.
This is the way it is. This is the boardroom
in the wall streets of national sports, and I don't
see it changing anytime. So on these high prices for
these franchises, all right, Candy.

Speaker 9 (01:21:09):
It's kind of crazy when you think about how high
they've gone up Right now, they're saying the only ones
that are above the Celtics are you would guess the
Lakers and the Knicks. And the Knicks are valued right
now at seven point five billion. But if you think
about it, look at what all they bring in too,

(01:21:30):
besides the medium market, besides the sales of merchandise, besides
the concessions, like, there's a lot that goes into those numbers.
But yes, I would say betting has really changed sports
in general. And I would almost you know, it's hard

(01:21:52):
to say this, but you watch a regular show and
now they're coming on and they're saying, oh, well, you
can bet if this, if this player is gonna get
you know, score before the third quarter, or if they're
gonna score how many goals? And it's not just you're
betting on the game and who's gonna win anymore. I mean,

(01:22:12):
we all know Pete Rose did all that, you know,
but like now you you can bet on a lot
of different things like who's gonna win the coin flip,
and it's just crazy, Jay, I know I do not,
but it's changed how people watch sports as well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Yeah, the only thing I'm gonna the only thing I'm
gonna say about this is the Celtics got six point
one billion. There's only three other franchises that will probably
eclipse it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
One.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
You got the Yankees if they're ever sold by the
Cydebrunner family, the Lakers if they're ever sold. And trying
to think, well, we all know that if the Red
Sox get sold, they're gonna get a lot of money
as well. So there aren't many other teams and I
think you can really value that's going to fetch as much.
And of course we talked about the New York next
and can you talk about seven twenty five billion?

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
So far right, let's go to a couple of quick
comments and chat few Moore top gift A boy. I
knew we were loaded tonight, Mike. Thanks for hanging with
us on it. You have to pisson somehow avoided elimination.
I knew this was going to be a long series.
This Pisson team's got a lot of guts and character.
George Kern will be there probably tomorrow night anyway, so
we'll talk about that on another show. We're thting, so

(01:23:31):
we'll stay with the NBA team just a little. We
don't have to talk too much on it. Chris Paul
is the first player in NBA history to play all
eighty two games in twenty and his twentieth season or later.
I'll tell you what. As I said, we can talk
as long as we want to on it, but I
think this is on here when you look at where
we're going with it. That's fine, hey, Pens. And if

(01:23:52):
you have to bolt right now, that's okay, don't worry
about it. We appreciate your time being on the show.
I just want to make sure that you enjoyed your
time here what we're doing. That's fine. You can go
now if you like, and we'll take it home and
I know you'll be on fire up tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
All righty, all right, all right, thanks nice meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
All right, So there we go. Now you have it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Now that we are down to six, we're about to
be down to six, Mike, what are your thoughts about
Chris Paul. This guy here, to me is unbelievable. He
really really is. To be able to play eighty two
games in his twentieth year, that says a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Somewhere down the line. There's a reason why Chris Paul
has had to play for so many teams.

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Is that now where he's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Playing in a league where nobody wants to play, he's
playing all eighty two games because he's trying to.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
Hang on to a career.

Speaker 13 (01:24:58):
To win a championship somewhere, right, it ain't gonna happen because,
much like Jacob said earlier with James Harden, you ain't
gonna win with a guy like Chris Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
And I don't know him personally.

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
But there's a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
He doesn't He doesn't fit in well anywhere. He had
a little bit of a stint when he was with
the Clippers, but other than that, he's uh, something wrong
with this guy. I mean, the NBA cried for a
while to make him the marketing darling and it didn't work.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
I don't know. I don't know what it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Is with him, but I just don't think he's well
liked by teammates. I don't think he's ever been the
guy that can drive a team to a championship, and
I think he's been just trying to hang on to
find a way to get a championship off of somebody
else's back.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Well, there's no question about it, and not only that.
Jay makes the point things things over his career. The
only thing I'll say about it, I'll just keep my
comments free for everybody get there. That is to be
able to play all eighty two games after a twenty
fifth here is a is an accomplishment on its own.
And that's all I'm going to say about it, because
let's faces reality, whether he elected or not, this guy

(01:26:13):
may find a way to get in the Nasmiths Hall
of Fame based on his longevity and some of his
individual numbers. I'm done with this topic of Jacob Christner.
Probably are some thoughts about it.

Speaker 8 (01:26:22):
I do, I do, but I do a favor for
you before I say it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
I am lose to you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:26):
Guys on Wi FI have been going on and off
all night. I'm barely seeing a lot. Can I do
my final thoughts and go yes, absolutely, let me do
the James, let me do the Chris Paul thing real fast.
I will say this at least I know Chris Paul
wants it. You want to know what James Harden wants.
He wants his three pointers and he wants his stripper's name, Peaches.
That's all he cares about. But all right, my final

(01:26:49):
thoughts here real fast. This is my thing.

Speaker 8 (01:26:52):
People bring up Jack Nicholas, Tiger Woods. Who's the goat.

Speaker 7 (01:26:57):
I'll say why it is Jack, But I'll say why
that is. It's because Tiger his prime, probably more impressive
because of every I mean, look at all the records,
look at all the numbers, look at all the highlights,
look at.

Speaker 8 (01:27:11):
Everything from Tiger. That's amazing. Don't get that wrong. I
don't have a hate for Tiger Woods. He's brought.

Speaker 7 (01:27:17):
He brought a whole groups new set of fans, which
was needed badly, So don't take that wrong. It was
kind of like what Jack did in the sixties. But
here's what Jack did from sixty two to seventy eight.
He was sixty two to seventy eight. He won at
least a tournament a year from that time on. Only
two of those years he did he only two of

(01:27:39):
those years did he not win the Slam. After that
fact that in eighty and eighty sixty one other slams.
Then he went into the senior thing in eighty seven,
only played five or six five or six the events
a year, including the slams, and he won eight slams
and the senior circuit. He makes highlights to this day

(01:28:00):
on video for the deal and stuff like that, going
into it eighty five years old. The thing is what Tiger,
what ended, What kept Tiger from being the greatest ever
was just his on I mean he did. He was
so disciplined on the course and he was all so
undisciplined off of it. Jack had Barbara and the point
I'm making in this final sentiment here and I'm waiting

(01:28:23):
for the same thing in my life, get the right woman.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
And you know what, before I let you go, I
have a pund of fundssentment. I want you to really
comment very quickly on our centers around. Colonel Harland Sanders,
the founder of KFC, reminds us that success doesn't have
to have a deadline. He launched his iconic brand of
sixty five, proving that it's never too late to tase
your dreams and brace your journey, no matter how long
it takes. Is this persistence is the key just because

(01:28:50):
you took longer than others doesn't mean you failed. Give
me your thoughts on it.

Speaker 7 (01:28:56):
He was he was going across the country and his car,
I'm showing his herbs and spices and everything like that.
They helped against the stores. He found Dave Thomas, who
helped him run his stores. Dave Thomas became Wendy's later.
I mean, by itself, Colonel Sanders. Colonel Sanders became he
kind of sold out to a corporation and he just
became kind of an image. So that was kind of

(01:29:18):
a mistake in all the truth. The sixty five being
sixty five and getting his millions, that's awesome for him
because he worked his tailoff and he had a own
little restaurant which was and did all that kind of
stuff until the highway went through his area and that
was it. But remember these type of things by itself,
it's like when you by itself is like this a

(01:29:39):
thing about aging. Now and just tell me real quickly, Mike,
how old are you?

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
Sixty?

Speaker 7 (01:29:46):
See this is the point about him. He was sixty
five with his thing. Sixty and sixty five looked different
than they do now. I'm forty seven. The only thing
you see on me is gray hair forty seven in August.
But this is the thing aging allows us to do
so now of this type of era allows us to
do so much. If Colonel Sanders had the aging thing

(01:30:07):
like we have now, with the options and everything like that,
he could have gone longer without selling out corporate and
making it a lesser product.

Speaker 8 (01:30:14):
Think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Well, we brought the topic up because we do the
fund of Funded seven. I figured this was any last
thing that everybody know how they get a hold of
out then you're done.

Speaker 7 (01:30:23):
Okay, just to say quickly, it was just saying like that.
It was Barbara getting yourself a good woman and get
someone around you. That's all I meant by that. But yeah,
but I was on. I was in a background on
a set this week. So I do movies here and there.
I also do things with Sideline Sports and stuff like that.
And I got a bunch of different things than I'm

(01:30:43):
in the lines, and I mean Iron's in the fire,
so I'm working on it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Yeah, we're glad to have every Wednesday night here on
the Sports they sage all right, take up and know
your WiFi is going. I want to thank you for
being on tonight. We'll see you next Wednesday night.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Thank all right? All right, so now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
They were down to five, make things a little bit EASi.
Here we're on Chris Paul. George Kland, what are your
thoughts about Chris Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:31:05):
Well, he is my admiration. I mean, you know a
guy could play that many, like you said, over twenty
seasons and be in every game. You know, it shows
a lot of grit, a lot of determination. Yes, I'm
sure there's other factors such as incentive and clauses and
things like that in his contract perhaps, but it's not

(01:31:26):
like we're getting that crazy, crazy NBA mentality where they
got to take off games whenever they want to load
management or whatever they call that. So, yeah, you know
Chris Paul. Yeah, he has moved around a lot, that's true, Mike,
But I think he's been a solid ballplayer throughout his
career in the NBA and I wish him well JBLS.

Speaker 5 (01:31:50):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to get going soon too. It's
getting leaky, right, But you know, excellent show so far,
a lot of great topics. Chris Paul. There's always been
something with him where he just for whatever reason, doesn't
get a long key is a He was ahead of
the players Union. I don't know if he still is.
I don't really follow the NBA Players Union, but he

(01:32:12):
was for a while. Kenny shaking her hand. Now, you
know he he's a good guy, but he just doesn't
seem to get along with his teammates, you know. And
it's a shame because a lot of talent. He had
one chance, I think where he could have won a
title and he got hurt that year. I think it
was was it achilles or caff injury or something. I

(01:32:35):
figuret what it was, but you know, it's a shape
and he's not going to get it this year. Uh
you know, maybe maybe one more year if he's got
it in him, who knows. But just gotta keep on
playing and do it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
It's like, all right, JB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Before you go, give me your thoughts about Colonel Sanders,
and then you can kill everybody, know how they get
a hold.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
Of yet, Listen, never give up in life until the
day you're dead. You always got a chance. It's as
simple as that. You know, if you give up, you're done.
You never know. If you keep putting effort into something,
as long as you're doing the right thing, you just
never know, so you know, if I didn't know that
about Colonel Sanders, but good for Hey, you know a lot.

(01:33:16):
There's a lot of more stories like that than you
would think, and it's always good to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Like I like to bring them in here, and that's
what we're doing with the go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
And continue definitely and then Sideline Sports, uh, you know,
every Tuesday night, eight thirty, Confidential Wednesday at eight of
course eight Central, of course here light Eastern here every
Wednesday at nine. Websites down for some reason. Still working
on that, but we'll let you know as soon as

(01:33:46):
it's back up. Great show, Mike, pleasure meeting you Scott
as always, great topics, very entertaining. George, good seeing you.
N Hopefully your Pistons could come back and win two
more games. You know, I'd like to say a lot
of things, but you know this is be a broadcast,
so I'll keep it to the PG version. I don't

(01:34:06):
like Dolan, which means all of his knickerbockers can lose. Mike,
you worked for the Ologers, so you know the other
team that occupies that building is also garbage because of Dolan.
So you were with the good team of New York.
But pleasure meeting your kiddy. It's got to have a
crate at I'll see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Actually you've bet thanks to JB. Glenn. Have you on
all right?

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
So now we are down to four. Wilm let everybody
had the chance to get their thing, and Mike, we
don't have a whole lot longer ago. But Candy then
talks about Paul and then you can give us your
pundit funded version CP three.

Speaker 9 (01:34:41):
He won the NBA Rookie of the Year award and
NBA All Star Game Most Valuable Player Award, two Olympic
Gold medals. He led the NBA and assists five times
and steals a record six times. He's been selected to
twelve NBA All Star Teams, eleven All and Eight teams,
and nine NBA All Defensive Teams. He was selected in

(01:35:05):
twenty twenty one to the NBA's seventy fifth Anniversary team, and,
like JB was alluding to, he also served as the
president of the National Basketball Players Association from twenty thirteen
to twenty twenty one. In today's day and age, it's
unheard of, with load management and people players taking rest

(01:35:26):
that someone would play all of the games. Kudos to him,
you know, it's it's too bad that someone that's been
around the league for as long as he has and
has had some of the success that he has, that
he hasn't been able to win, you know. But there's
a lot of players that you could say that, And
the problem with that is that's how we judge people

(01:35:48):
is how many championships.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
Do you win?

Speaker 9 (01:35:50):
Your career is based on how many championships do you
did you win for the most part, So.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
All right, Kenny, your take on the punt plat the
topic KFC.

Speaker 9 (01:36:03):
KFC, Well, let's see, we we went to the original KFC.
We went to see where Colonel Sanders was. I mean,
never give up because you can you never know what's
gonna happen. That keep preaching for whatever you are dreaming
for and keep striving for it, because you never know
what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Okay, very good, George. You know the two topics did
you mention Chris Paul Georgia.

Speaker 6 (01:36:28):
Talked about Paul, I didn't talk about the colonel? Yeah,
we were you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
You went to the uh.

Speaker 6 (01:36:35):
Saw, Yeah, we saw his place in Kentucky. And then
just a great story the little museum may have and everything.
A man like you said, he never gave up, even
if he was in his sixties. God bless him. And
what a franchise he built, some of the best chicken around.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
I think, yeah, well we'll take it. We'll take it
a step further on that I had opportunity to. Now
we go to that with Candy, but we also went
to his grave site out in Kentucky as well, so
to be able to see that as well. Mike So
talks about KFC. You already told me about Chris Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
So, yeah, So my first thought is that Chris Paul
must have been a fan of Colonel Sanders. So still
going out at this age. But I try not to
eat a lot of KFC. I am an original recipe
guy when I do. Yeah, I mean there's there's probably

(01:37:28):
not a better fast product fast food out there. I
mean maybe Taco Bells a close second. I try to
stay away. Yeah, the Colonel did good bye me. One
other note, Uh, this just came across my thing. But
a fan fell off the Clemente wall in Pittsburgh tonight

(01:37:49):
at the Pirates game. I don't know if you saw
looks it doesn't look good.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Oh too bad.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
All right, Well, what we're going to do now is
we're going to go to our news updates presented by
Hockey Operations LLC. And I said, presented by Hockey Operations LLC.
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More power to Western Michigan. Jordan Bennington hasn't won a

(01:38:21):
game in Winnipeg since November ninth, twenty twenty one, and
we'll see whether or not he can break that street
as well. And finally, Maryland is hiring Texas A and
M coach Buzz Williams as its next head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
He gets to pay some Michigan Wolverines again more often
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Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
You're very welcome, all right, can't you take us the
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(01:40:42):
because we didn't really do parting shots, but because we
talked a lot of hockey, I do want to do
a quick shout out and good luck to my Milwaukee Admirals.
They are the AHL team of the of the National Predators.
They actually had a buy in the first round. They
play their first game tomorrow night in the playoffs and

(01:41:03):
they are playing against the Rockford team, the Chicago Blackhawks
AHL affiliate that defeated the Chicago Wolves with a two
game sweep in the Central Division's first round best of three,
so they they playoff start there. They're vying for the
Calder Cup. So but that's ahl.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
All right, the only thing I'll had to close out
the shows.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
I'm glad the Washington Commanders are going to be building
a stadium middle range between three point seven and four
billion dollars on the old ourn RFK stadium site.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
I've actually been in the facility in.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Maryland when it opened up, and I've also had the
opportunity to cover a couple of Washington Redskins games over
on the rf RFK site. With that said, the owner
has said no Washington Redskins are going back up by
building the facility, This is given opportunity to get the Olympics,
the super Bowl, the Final Four, more power zones, so
I want to make sure we got everything out there.
Mike has got as usual. You're you to me, you're

(01:42:01):
a stud and I'm glad we had you on tonight.
You had an opportunity to meet more people in the
network as well, and of course next week we finally
get together soon so we can really have more fun
and get a bite deep. Finally, George Night's job tonight,
I'll talk to you a few minutes after the show
Candy as usual, a great job. There's the way so
on behalf of J. M Ellis, Jacob Christner, Pensman, Mike Santos,

(01:42:23):
Candy Ebling.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
And George Reichorn.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
My name is Scott Morgan of the Motor City Menah,
thank you for joining us on this edition of the
Sports Exchange, and a shout out to everybody in the
net room who everybody made some great contributions about you.
To me, the show would be we'd be talking to ourselves.
So good night everybody, and we'll see you next time
on next Wednesday's edition of the Sports to Change by

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