Episode 176: Baraboo Bone Breaker

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to my world, bitch, good bar.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Here. Welcome to the one hundred and seventy sixth episode
of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
So Mythically Paranormal.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and
with me as always.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Is Oscar, motherfucking Inspector.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Producer Extraordinary and podcast co host Oscar. Happy. March first, Happy?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
What's Special's first?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Not a damn thing? No? Nothing? Have you been?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Do you like March? Because I feel like it's the
beginning of spring in the winter.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Too here in the Midwest. It could go either way.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
It luctuates, you know, heavily. Chicago certainly does. We're in
false spring right now.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
False spring? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes. Last week I had
my windows open. It was in the high fifties.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
And now it's fucking cold, ash out there, freezing.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, and you drive You drove through basically a snowstorm
to get here.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Not crazy. So yeah, marble days, three days, that's what
it did. March is a fickle bitch, as they say, Yeah,
looks like me.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
You are kind of fickle, think you. I think one
of the worst snowstorms in Chicago. I believe happened in
early April.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You made in history. Yeah, you know what the year
that was?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So, no, I don't. I think it was sometime like
in the seventies. I always hear about the seventeen seventies.
Do you remember that long bro Okay, it was like
nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight to Snowstore seventy eight, something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Sorry, real coach, So only because you reminded me. In
the eighties it was a huge, horrible snowstorm as well.
I don't know what year exactly, but it was definitely
after I was born, so I had to beat between
eighty four and eighty nine somewhere in eighties. My dad
mentioned he told me about the story once where he
was he wasn't. I don't think he personally wasn't lake
Shore Drive, but I know he helped someone. But people
were stranded on Lake Shore dry from the heavy heavy

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winds and snowstorm and ice storms that were coming from
the from the lake because it's right off the lake,
and people were stranded there. And then there were like
huge like buses that were like you know, all the
you know, fitted for the storm, coming out there to
find and rescue people.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
With hot chocolates and shit, and that's all night. You
don't see that anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, and no, because we fixed a lot of problems
and global warming.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well yeah, right, I remember. Yeah, my dad and one
of those storms. I don't know if it was in
the eighties. I think it was the big one in
the late seventies. Yeah, he was stuck somewhere on Lake
Shore Drive and.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Must be horrifying. I must be a trip. I have
never had that experience myself.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
So in a Chicago Tribune truck drove by and had
to pick him up. No way, because they were delivering
new papers even in that horrible stormy. Yeah, delivery newspapers.
That's the rain shine. It was like the mailman kind.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Of but that's cool.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, it just doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
That's geez to do it in that kind of snowstorm.
I would have said, oh, fuck the news.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
People don't need to know what's going on. I look
up the extra actually read.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
If you don't have a window, you can't afford a newspaper, right.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, so March I can take it or leave it. Yeah,
but what's been what's been new with you?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
What's going Asking me?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
First, I'm asking you.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
So I'm excited right now, and I'll tell you this
quick thing. But I'm excited because they I'm not going
to tell you the name because I feel like free
promotion for something I don't know yet. It's very strange,
but I am. I've commissioned my latest, my next and biggest.
I think it might be my biggest tattoo. It's coming
for late March. It's gonna happen. So by the time

(03:53):
when the show comes up much for so hopefully by
the next recording I'll have it done. But maybe not
even that. I might have to wait to the next one,
depending on what we record. But yeah, I'm at the
Chicago Tattoo Convention. I'm gonna go. I commission this great
artist I hear great things about from Michigan. He's coming
to visit to the convention. I reserve the slot, send
a deposit, just like three days ago. Super excited. And

(04:17):
do you want to know the design? You can tell
your design, all right? So the design is going to
cover my entire thigh and it is a hexagonal grid, right,
So as to how many squares, how many shapes, I
don't know how much will fit. I told them to
cover as much as he wants kind of thing, make
it a little tasteful, but I'm not like whatever, not
like misshaping. And and the whole point of it is

(04:40):
that every time I get a new tattoo somewhere on
my body, I'm gonna have that artist if they want
to fill in one of the squares with something that
they want, right, it'll be It'll be like a patchwork
of different artists.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I love that idea, right, It's.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
A cool idea. And I told this artist that I
commissioned this grid for to fill in one of those
for the first one, and you have no idea what
he's gonna do, no idea what I gave him. Three
stipulations nothing offensive meaning no swaster does and shit like
that you have to make sure well and so none
of that. I prefer one color, so like black doesn't
count necessarily, but it could just be black, or it

(05:17):
could be purple, but not like purple and red for example,
like I don't want. I like the idea of solid
colors if they want. And then thirdly, no wording like
no only wording like nothing that's just words. I would
like something visually that's crazy unique to them. And perfectly
something that they always wanted to do. Maybe they never
had a chance to something that they love to draw,

(05:38):
you know, to design whatever they want.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
That is. That's a I've never seen that before.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, I figure it.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
It kind of gives the artists something completely freedom to
do something like that, so that they often don't get
a lot of freedom because it's not their body they're tattooing,
right right, So interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
So what this means now is that you're gonna have
to get a lot more fucking tattoos so that grid
fills up it doesn't just look like a honeycomber.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's the whole because that it will show more initiative
for me to get more of them, because I've always
wanted tattoos and I want to be covered in jay,
as you've known thirty years of knowing me or whatever,
twenty something years. Sorry, I just never got to pull
the trigger most years, for like decades, I didn't do it.
I did like the first few years of my eighteen
to twenty five, and then I stopped, you know, so

(06:24):
I'm recontinuing again.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
So good for you, man. Yeah, that's crazy. Uh. And
so that was one thing you also told me another one, right.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, I'm getting another tattoo about a week later.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I've been.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
What do you call it, scheduled yet as a different artist,
and I'm going to have her do because I have
a Kirby tattoo on my right.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Calf or on their Kirby for those who don't know, Kirby.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh, it's a video game character, pink balloon character that
swallows up people and inherits their attributes, attributes. And this
Kirby that I currently have is a Kirby that is
that eight a hell kitty, So it looks like Hello, Kitty, Kirby.
That's right, right, I haven't seen it, so I have
a commission to do another one that's like that. A
Kirby that ate a Pokemon, one of my favorite pokemons.

(07:10):
So I'm gonna have it on the opposite side of
the same leg.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
So very cool. Did you say you said you wanted
to have your whole leg?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I wanted the entire right leg from the calf down
to the ankle, filled with Kirby's.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's what I want.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
And I have a Kirby tattoo artist just for that.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
So awesome.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, that's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm excited for you. Thank you. We could when you
get them, let's get some pictures. Oh yeah, we put
it on website, put up on our Instagram, on the
website and stuff. Yeah, that's awesome. Good for you. Yeah,
I'm it's been It's been a very long time for
me since I've had a tattoo.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I know you've been telling me.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I have been kind of itching' it'sunn because it
makes you itchy. It does, yes, it does, but so
who knows, maybe I'll maybe I'll join along with.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
You and yeah, hopefully inspires you.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
I love tattoos because I know someone who's going to
be at that convention tattooing. So maybe i'll nice. Maybe
I'll make a phone call a guy.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah that's true. What about you? What you've been on too, man?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know, just working nothing too crazy over the last month.
I do. Right now, I feel really bad for my daughter.
She's seventeen and uh and we're going through it right now.
And she was getting pain in her in her wisdom
teeth on one side of her face. Okay, So it
got to the point where you.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Got the chisel and the hammer.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Basically right, you know. So we finally went in and
took a look and yeah, you know, two of them
could come out. And the orthodontis was like, well, you know,
or the oral surgeon excuse me, It was like, you know,
while you're under, you might as well do. It's an
up cell, is what it is. Oh yeah, that's that's
how Yeah that's on top of your steak children. Right.

(08:48):
But we we thought about it. We talked about it,
and you know, there is a chance later on in
life something could happen if you're gonna go under, get
all for them, right, let's just so Talia read. We
talked about it. So she had that procedure done two
days ago and during the procedure she woke up the.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Way and which I hear can't happen, but it's.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
She had some sort of reaction to the anestese anesthesis, Yeah,
anesthetic anesthetic. Yeah, it's anesthetic. Sure, And so she woke
up during and the doctor pulled me into a room
after after she was done, the doctor brought me into
the room to see her, and she was out of it.
She was kind of laughing and I was like completely right.

(09:34):
And then he pulled me into He's like, come, I
want to talk to you. He pulls me into a
separate room with his nurse. I'm like, what the fuck
is this?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
And a short saw shotgun.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I paid my bill? What are we doing? And that's
the other thing too, Dental insurance is a fucking joke,
let me tell you. But uh so he closed the door.
I'm like, whoa, what's going on. He's like, well, I
want you to know if you see bruising on your
I said, well, bruising on my daughter. What do you mean? Well,
she woke up during the procedure. She woke up. He said,

(10:04):
she was like a wild animal. Five people had to
restrain her.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, she was freaking out, freaking out, completely freaking out
and crazy. The nurse goes to me, she's like, your
daughter is strong, you know. I'm like, thanks, I guess,
but I felt so bad for her and you.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Should have ad met her right then and there.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, she fights homeless people on the weekend. You're right,
I should have told her about it. So she's going
through the healing process now. But surprisingly, with all of
the trauma that happened, she's not having a lot of pain.
The surgeon did a good job, but man, could you
imagine waking up during that. I can't imagine waking up
during that.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
No, but there's a good heart. There's a few horror
movies that do that. There's a horror movie called The Dentist.
Do they do that in that movie?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I don't know. I don't know the ladies, I don't remember.
I think I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Right, I think I think what we're talking about. It
was just not one hundred percent sure. No, that's horrifying.
That is I never had that happen. I've had a
few surgeries in my life, but no, And that's.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean either once I'm out of them out. Yeah,
and when she got home again, she was so loopy,
so out of it. Blood was but you remember fighting
back and all that. So that's the thing. So she
goes while she was trying to talk to me with
a numb mouth, she she got across that she remembered
the doctor yelling at her, And I'm like, oh, Talia,

(11:21):
you know you're probably just you're just invented your mind.
You pulled the la I did until because I want
her to be awake and like alert when we have
this conversation about what happened. But she remembered. That's what
she remembered. Everything else no clue. She's like, Dad, I'll
remember seeing the needle and then the doctor.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Can cause on do trauma in the future.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I don't know. I hope not.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
No, I hope not too. I really hope not. But
it could. I mean, keep this in your back pocket
in case you.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Will tell her we're worried because she has another she
has something else coming up in a few weeks where
she's got to go under again, and uh, we're nervous. Now.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Maybe watch Get Out and see how they put that
guy under and if they could do the same thing,
maybe do a little deeper, deeper dive.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
But it was it's a crazy it's just a crazy thing.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, no, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
That's what it is. Just told me a horror movie.
That's crazy. Help you.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I know she's okay, obviously she hope she Yeah, I'm
glad she's.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Okay, thank you. But now we have to figure out
for the next thing that she's got going on.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
You know, if I was her dad, I would buy
her like a movie with like I would buy her
The Marathon Man. Have you in the Marathon man, they
torture people with drilling your teeth. Oh like force force them. Yeah,
I would, That's how That's how I would parent, Like
I would. I would immediately go buy a movie or
get a movie that will horrify their experience. They would
like join them in some experience similar cathartic. When one

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of my friends got pregnant once in the twenty tents,
I got her a series of movies and they were
all themed around pregnant horror movies because she was pregnant
and she watched like, I think all of them. She
was like, Oh, she was a she was a real tooper.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
She loved it. She loved it. Great friend. But it
could have easily.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Gone South's my point, because there a horror movie yes anyway.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, so I mean that's kind of the latest newest
thing rund here unfortunately. But otherwise we're just chucking along, man,
joking along. Ready to give the listeners another dose of
sick fuckery on this story or fuck sickery. Absolutely, you
just took a sip when you made that joke. What

(13:23):
are we drinking tonight?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Something from a bottle?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
You're liking this one? You've had a few pores ready.
This is a peerless small batch. It's from it's from Kentucky.
It's one hundred and ten proof, and I am really
enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
It's really enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
There's a lot of flavors, a lot of smells. Sense. Yeah,
I don't have the palette.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's a color It's like a colorful action movie where
the bad guy wins.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Oh you take a picture of you got it?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Take that picture, take it. Get me in that picture too. No,
I look terrible. It's super late.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I didn't think I just got your hand. Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
M all right, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Take a break?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, that's a short intro. You know, I have wanted
to say something I haven'ten wanting to sell. And we
haven't made this announcement in quite a while. Listeners who
don't like our long intros, can we still get little
emails once in a while. Look, or you see on
YouTube we talk for fifteen minutes, eat a dick.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Or as my mom would say, if you have nothing nice
to say, don't say it at all.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, that's right. But you could always go to the
show notes because we do put a time stamp where
you could just get straight to the topic. Yeah, get
to said that like a year.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah right, you haven't. We should every once in a
while with mind people, Yes.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's true. But I will tell you, you know, I
always say, oh, write the show, what are your thoughts?
No one ever says anything, you know, when people say something,
whenever that that topic comes back around of you know,
should we really should we really cut our intros and
make them super short and just get into the topic.
That's when people jump in and be like, no, man,
keep it. We like listen to you guys, you know
your book.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
I always told you over the years, like, no, we
should do whatever the fuck we want to do because
people could just skip to it.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
You're right, so check the show notes.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
So if you don't like it, yes, exactly, or they
can make your own podcast.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
You put in the time research. Right, Let's take a break.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Let's do that.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
M listening listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the

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lights are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit,
and the drinks are flowing. Let's start this show. Baraboo,
Wisconsin wakes in the soft light of a summer morning,
the air thick with the scent of dew on the
River and sweet funnel cakes from the Circus World Museum. Barboo, Wisconsin,

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lies ninety two miles northwest of Madison, the state capitol,
and one hundred and ninety miles from Chicago, and only
a short eighteen minute drive from the famed Wisconsin Dells,
a Midwest tourist mecca. The Dells is famous for its
massive water parks, ziplines, bungee jumps, duck boat tours, annularia,

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fund shops, and countless souvenir stores, as well as quirky
attractions like H one N one COVID did not start
in Wisconsin Dell's quirky attractions like Ripley's Believe It or Not,
haunted houses and those old timey photo studios. But back

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in bear Aboo it's much quieter. Its streets are lined
with stately brick and limestone buildings that have sheltered local
shops and families for more than a century. Known as
Circus City not Circuit City, it was here, in eighteen
eighty four that the Ringling Brothers launched their first performances,

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a legacy still visible in the opulent Wringling Mansion with
its faded posters of acrobats and elephants, music, drifts and
echoes from summer parades and museum events. On any normal day,
children laugh along the banks of the Barboo River, fishermen
crouch over bass streams, and hikers follow the rugged trails

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of the Driftless Area, a rare stretch of the Midwest
untouched by glaciers, where ridges rise steep and forests slope
down to clear spring freed waters. The driftless terrain gives
the town its character. Dramatic river beds, jagged bluffs, hidden waterfalls,
and valleys carved over millennia. It's a land that draws

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the curious and the adventurous, a landscape meant for exploration
and daydreams. Yet in the summers of nineteen ninety four
and nineteen ninety five, this serene scene, the rustle of leaves,
the shimmer of water, the nostalgic hum of Circus history,
became the backdrop for horrors so unimaginable that Baraboo would

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never see its streets the same way again. Beneath the
town's gentle rhythms, a darkness had quietly taken route, waiting
to be revealed in the most unspeakable ways. The Fourth
of July weekend in nineteen ninety four brought sunshine, fireworks,
and barbecues to Barriboo, and then silence. Chris Steiner, a

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fourteen year old boy who lived with his parents in
the heart of town, vanished. His parents were ported a
missing on July fourth, after finding his bed empty and
unsettling signs of intrusion. In his bedroom. The screen of
his window had been sliced open, muddy footprints marred the carpet,
and a patio door stood unlocked, despite the family's belief

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that Chris had been sound asleep when they went to
bed for the night. For days, investigators and neighbors searched fields,
river banks and trails, every glance heavy with hope and
a mix of dread. Then, on July tenth, nineteen ninety four,
Chris Steiner's body was found draped over a partially submerged

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tree along a sandy bank of the Wisconsin River near
the Pine Island Wild Refuge just north of Portage, Wisconsin.
An autopsy concluded that Chris had drowned. Water was found
in his lungs, a hall mark of drowning, yet the
manner of death was classified as undetermined HMM. Local authorities

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initially couldn't say whether his death was the result of
foul play, an accident, or something else. Entirely, and with
nothing else to go on, Chris Steiner's case went cold.
Uncertainty clung to the Steiner family and the community like
a stubborn fog, a young boy's death without answers. Many

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hoped it was a tragic anomaly, a damned, one off
thing in a town that otherwise knew peace. But the
currents of that river carried a deeper truth no one
was prepared to uncover, because little did our Barabouians know
they had a monster in their midst, a budding serial
killer with a disgusting fetish just next door. Nearly a

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year after Chris Steiner's disappearance, the air in Baraboo was
once again thick with summer warmth and the promise of
late night TV marathons like USA Up All Night, T
and T, Saturday Night nightro or maybe The Mystery Science
Theater Hour. Thirteen year old Thad Phillips lay asleep on
the living room couch of his family's home after spending

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that evening with his parents and siblings before dawn on
July twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five, something unimaginable happened. Thad
woke not to his father's voice telling him to get
off the couch and go to bed, but to the
sensation of being lifted and carried through the house. For
a moment while in that sweet semi dream, Statedad thought

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it was one of his parents moving him like they
did back when he was a little boy. But when
he opened his eyes to the cool night air and
an unfamiliar face, realization struck like a blow. He was
in the hands of a vague stranger, seventeen year old
Joseph C. Clark. Clark had a plan for Thad. Once outside,

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he said the still half asleep boy down and told
him he was hosting an epic party with beer girls
and all the neighborhood kids, and that Thad was invited.
Joe Clark even rattled off the names of some of
the boys Thad knew, lending a strange veneer of legitimacy
to his story. In the dim pre dawn light, Clark

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seemed friendly and just familiar enough to be mistaken for
a neighbor or a casual acquaintance. Thad had seen this
guy in the neighborhood, hadn't he Groggy? Disoriented and lowed
by that fleeting familiarity, Thad followed, unaware that each step
carried him closer to the abyss.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Joe Clark's home was nothing like the tidy houses in
Thad's neighborhood. Inside, the darrel instructor reeked of dirt and
trash and neglect. Clark lured that upstairs. It was then
that his friendliness vanished. It was then that the bone
breaker emerged. You see, Joe Clark had a fascination what

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experts would call a fetish for the feel and the
sound of breaking bones. Oh, he loved and couldn't get
enough of it.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
So he'd be an amazing executioner in the medieval He's
sixteen hundreds to the eighteen hundreds, even up to the
nineteenth A little bit, you know, we talked a fair
We talked about the breaking of the wheel, which is
a torturing techno.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yes, on a.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Wheel that would break you break a person in their
hearts and pieces up to depending on the sentencing. It
would depend on whether or not you're live or dead
when they do it to you. But they do a
myriad of things, breaking your pelvis, breaking your arm, breaking
all these things in certain orders. Who you stay alive
and go through all that? I feel like that was
his time perioder he was born and the wrong. Oh god,

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that's for him. This is awful, awful thing. That's an
awful fetish because it's really hard to recreate this. Honest,
you're doing animals, I guess, which is also pretty bad,
but terrible, terrible, but a little less bad, right, And
it's pretty hard to live this out as fetish.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Right. I can't even imagine what.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
You can't take this sound and.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
No, and we'll get into this later, but how does
a seventeen year old develop that fetish? I don't you know.
And we'll talk about this later, okay, yeah, but I
mean since we're kind of in that space now, yeah,
think about that, well, listeners, while you're going through this
with us, How does a seventeen year old child develop
such a specific mo o and fetish? It's crazy? Yeah.

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I had this clown been smart enough, like the wheel,
like you're saying, would have been front and center in
his room, you know, he ever would have loved the wheel. Yeah, yeah,
good point. Now, when Joe Clark had fan fad, fad.
It's a strange you don't hear it anymore, Sad TJD.
When Joe Clark had Fad and the confines of his filthy,

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dirty bedroom, Clark resolved the question of Thad's fate in
the most monstrous way. He threw the thirteen year old
boy onto his nasty ass bed, grabbed Thad's foot and
began to twist it and wrench it and pull at
it until Thad's ankle snapped with a sickening, visceral pop

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that would echo in Thad's memory for decades. Savoring the
sick satisfaction of hearing Thad's bone snap, Joe Clark eased
his grip just enough for Thad to struggle fee free,
though only for a few fleeting seconds. Hobbled and in agony,
Thad stumbled downstairs, desperately seeking escape, but Clark was relentless.

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He caught him, threw him onto a couch, and in
a brutal, terrifying servage of rage, he hoisted one of
Thad's legs over his own head and pressed down with
such animalistic force that Thad's thigh bone the heaviest strongest
bone in the human body snapped. The humor is that is? Yeah? Yeah,

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the pain must have been just unfathomat.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
I never broken a bone in my life.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm dislocated. Yeah, never cleanly broken. Thank god. Every nerve
is screaming. Yet this little boy endured, clinging to the
slender hope for survival. What followed was approximately forty three
hours of physical and psychological torment. Clark alternated between bursts

(26:37):
of casual normalcy, watching television and talking about trivial bullshit
and brutal violence. He went on to fracture Thad's limbs
and methadical fashion, moving from ankles to knees to thighs.
Each act of violence interspersed with periods where he sloppily
tried to fix those breaks with socks, gauze, and rudimentary splints,

(27:01):
probably thinking he could heal him again and break him
over over in a kid's mind, you know, splinting, gettle,
correct it so he could do it again, which takes
for everything.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
I mean, it tastes like months and months.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, Clark's cruelty was unbound. He would smother Thad with pillows,
jump on his chest, bite him, stomp on his legs,
all while speaking casualty about casually about shit no one
cared about. Dad's terror was compounded by the unpredictability moments
of conversation and apparent calm punctuated by unimaginable pain, a

(27:36):
rhythm of horror designed to break that entirely. At one point,
Clark admitted that he'd done this before to two other boys,
and that one of the boy's names was Chris. One
of the most astonishing and horrifying aspects of this torture
documented in survivor testimony was Clark's fixation on the sound

(27:57):
and sensation of bones breaking. Fad later told investigators that
Clark seemed almost fascinated by it, not merely cruel, but
consumed by it. Now again, just stop for a beat
and think about that. Imagine pulling, twisting, grinding, and wrenching
someone's limb to the point of breaking.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Right, you could do I mean, you could do it
a lot faster with a hammer, for example. But that's
not what he's that's.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Not what he's after. No, it's like demonic asmr you know,
like yeah, yeah, oh that's fucked up.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
You're right, that is what it is.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
The pain and suffering was relentless, but Bad's spirit was
one thing that Clark couldn't break. He endured blow after blow, confusion, fear, betrayal,
all while waiting for the slightest opening. In a moment
of opportunity, when Clark left his house, leaving Fad unattended
and locked in a closet, the boy summoned his reserves

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of strength and will that most of us could never fathom.
In the closet, Dad found a heavy guitar, and, with
his broken leg, screaming in protest, he hammered at that
door until it splintered and fell open. Then came an
act of nearly unfathomable courage. In agony and near collapse,

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Dad threw himself head first down the stairs, losing consciousness
more than once during that descent. When he woke up.
When he came to, he was in the kitchen, inches
from a telephone. With shattered limbs and a body that
should have failed by now, he managed to dial nine
to one one. That call not a scream, not a

(29:37):
plea of panic, but a sober, precise report alerted authorities.
I've been kidnapped. My legs are broken. When officers arrived
at Joe Clark's house. They found that collapsed on the floor,
grievously injured, but alive. The culmination of a nightmare no
child should ever know now would begin Thad Philip's long

(30:01):
road to recovery, and he did recover, after numerous surgeries
and ending up with a permanent limp. All told, Thad
suffered severe factures to both ankles. Both his feet were sideways,
his left knee which was actually backwards, his right upper leg,
his thigh bone all broken. That also had black eyes,

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countless bruises and bite marks. And I'll tell you, I've
seen photographs of Thad's legs before he had multiple surgeries
to fix them, and I swear to God, his legs
looked like uncooked Italian sausages. That's what they look like.
Legs were that bad. It's a miracle they didn't need
to be amputated. Yeah, it's really hard to visualize. It's gross.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's glossy for a thirteen year old kid, I mean
for anyone, but yeah, thirteen.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Thankfully Thatad wasn't sexually assaulted by Clark, but he did
confess that after breaking his bones, Clark would sometimes masturbate
there's definitely a sexual.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Album, the act of something that's.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Now. Once in custody, Clark was questioned about Dad's kidnapping
and injuries, and in the course of interviews, it was
bad that revealed the detail that would upend the resolution
of another tragic case. Clark had told Dad he had
done this before to another boy named Chris, and at
the mention of the name Chris, police immediately thought about

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Chris Steiner, the boy who had drowned by undetermined causes
a year earlier. Police knew that was more than a drowning,
they just couldn't prove it, but now they might have something.
The only problem was Christiner was already buried, so in
true Hollywood fashion, Chris Steiner's body was exhumed through X rays.

(31:50):
It was conduct that were conducted on his legs and ankles,
areas originally overlooked in the first autopsy. What they found
shattered the original understanding of Christeiner's de Multiple fractures in
his legs and ankles nearly identical to those that endured.
So with these injuries, paired with the drowning, that explained
Chris's inability to swim and gave unequivocal evidence pomicide at

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the hands of Joe Clark, the Bare Boo bone Breaker.
Now back at Clark's home, investigators found a chilling piece
of evidence, a notebook in Clark's own handwriting, with over
a dozen local boys named names arranged under headings headings
like get to Know, Can't Wait, and most unsettling of

(32:38):
all the leg thing it said that both Chris Steiner
and Bad Philip's names were in that book, although in
which column were not sure because the notebook's exact contents
were never released to the public. To detectives, this notebook
suggested potential future victims no doubt Clark was going to

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do this again and again and again. Now Clark's legal
saga unfolded in multiple phases. For the torture of Dad Phillips.
He was charged with attempted first degree intentional homicide causing
great bodily harm to a child, mayhem, and a few
other charges. He entered a plea of no contest with

(33:20):
the defense of not guilty by reason of mental disease
or defect.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Is that they're equivalent of insanity, but not insanity.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't think it is okay.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
It's a different thing.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I think it is, yes, because it was very specific
mental diseases.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, I don't often hear that one.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Now. Despite the defense's attempts to portray impairment due to
prenatal alcohol exposure and other environmental factors, the court found
Clark mentally responsible and aware of his actions, and he
was sentenced to one hundred years in prison for the
attack on that In the Chris Steiner case, Clark pled
not guilty, of course, but the evidence, including the exhumation results,

(33:59):
pulling the back out, and X raying, proved overwhelming. So
on November seven, nineteen ninety seven, Joe Clark, the Baraboo
bone breaker, was convicted of first degree intentional homicide and
sentenced to life in prison plus fifty years for the
death of Christiner. He has maintained his innocence from behind bars,
but appellate courts have consistently upheld those convictions. Okay, good Now,

(34:24):
Today Joe Clark he sits riding away at the Woppin
Correctional Institution in Wapuin, Wisconsin, just about an hour away
from where he launched his assault on the poor children
of Baraboo, known today as Prisoner zero zero three two one, three,
two two. Joe Clark is eligible for parole in the
year twenty ninety good, at which time will be one

(34:46):
hundred and twelve. Good riddings, you sick fuck. As for
Thad Phillips, he survived but not unscarred. His body required
multiple surgeries and he now walks with the permanent limp.
Over time, he shared his stories and interviews and that
podcasts not as a horror tale, but as an account

(35:06):
of resilience and survival against all odds.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's almost like, have you seen the movie or the
story behind a true story of one hundred and twenty
seven hours?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I remember the Fronco movie, right, yes, and.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
That's makes a real story, yes, like a real thing
about literally. I think the book that the guy wrote
was called Between a Rock and a Hard Place because
he was literally stuck in the Rockah. It's like an
endurance of that, but another person is the rock, right yeah, right,
It's like a crazy feat of endurance and in some
ways heroism and determination, which is great. I mean, that
sucks that he had to prove that, but it is

(35:39):
great regardless. It reminds me of that like a survivor's
tale that I mean it's almost inconsequential to even meant
like who cares who not who cares who did it?
But like it's like it's the boy that's like, that's
the that's the star of the story.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Exactly. Absolutely, I'm trying to say the rest of the guy,
the perpetrator.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
That doesn't matter as much as the rock doesn't matter
and the other guy story, right.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
That good point. I like that in civil court that
was awarded approximately twenty one million dollars in damages for
lost medical costs and suffering, though public records and reports
indicate he never received any of those funds. What well,
Joe Clark, he's got no assets to satisfy that judgment.

(36:26):
You can't bleed a stone, right of course, But you
know I did. A community GoFundMe was organized for that,
and I just checked before you know, we started recording
as I was drafting this story. When I checked, twenty seven,
two hundred and eleven dollars out of one hundred thousand
dollars goal had been raised. So a long way from

(36:49):
the twenty one million he was originally supposed to.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeh, probably needs more exposure. And also it's an older crime.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
So that's old at this point it's old crime. Yeah sucks,
that does suck. That's suck, absolutely well.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
That's what sucks that we need this kind of thing
at all, Like money end up, like all the raising
just to get this guy some justice.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I know, and I think Chris Diner, excuse me, Joe
Clark's family not. There's no money there, there's no money,
there's no one to go after, there's nothing to do.
This poor guy is not going to get anything. But
Chris Diner's family. Obviously, they continue to mourn their son.
The exhumation and reclassification of his death provided painful answers,

(37:32):
but obviously no solace could erase the loss of a child.
The town held vigils, they shared memories, and they carry
the weight of what was once inexplicable. The Baraboo bone
Breaker case continues to reverberate through media on public consciousness
more than three decades later. How a seemingly idyllic town
harbored this horrific, unseen danger. There's a lot of discussion

(37:57):
online that tries to explore why this case is as
widely known as it should be, despite its brutality and
this miraculous survivor story. A testament to both the randomness
of violence and the remarkable will of a child who
refused to let darkness swallow him for some reason. This
case severely is under the radar. No law enforcement agency

(38:21):
has ever publicly connected Joe Clark to any convermed victims
beyond Chris Steiner and Thaed Phillips. Online speculation, mainly in
true crime true crime forms and Reddit threads, have occasionally
floated theories about additional unidentified cases, but these remain completely unsubstantiated,
lacking any official corroboration from a physical evidence. But if

(38:45):
you remember Clark, Joe Clark did tell Fad that he
had done this twice before, once to Chris Steiner. But
who's the other one? Now? At the core of this
lies this question. I alluded to this a little bit earlier.
You know, how does this seventeen year old in this
po dunk town, basically, this idyllic town, developed such a

(39:07):
specific violent fetish, this erotic fixation on the sound and
tactile sensation of another person's bone breaking. No one's born
with that impulse, paraphilias, or the persistent and unconventional sexual
arousal directed towards non human objects non consenting individuals or
specific situations. Paraphilia of this intensity and specificity, they're not innate.

(39:33):
They form through a union of early experiences, conditioning trauma,
or psychological vulnerabilities that, over time warp sexual arousal toward
cruelty and control. Yet Joe Clark already possessed a fully
formed mo modus operandi targeting young adolescent boys, focusing exclusively

(39:56):
on their legs, alternating sadistic torture with feigned care, and
meticulously documenting potential victims in a notebook organized by readiness
and type. Serial offenders, they typically require years, sometimes decades,
of fantasy, experimentation and excalation to refine such a distinct pattern.

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For Clark to arrive at this level of sophistication and
ritualization by age seventeen is profoundly disturbing. It suggests that
whatever dark forces shaped his compulsion had been at work
for a long time, likely far longer than his two
confirmed victims had. Clark progressed further than most people care

(40:39):
to imagine. Think about it, His very specific fetish had
to be learned, developed, tested, So you got to wonder
where their younger kids in Joe Clark's life that suffered
mysterious bone breaks, younger cousins or the children of family friends. Babies,
Maybe babies can't testify. There's no mention of Joe Clark

(41:00):
harming animals, but animals could be a great source for
developing his sick desire for the feel and sound of
breaking bones. Then there's a question of the other unnamed
boy Clark admitting admitted to harming. Was that real? Like?
Is there another body out there somewhere, another victim of
the Baraboo bone Breaker? Or was Clark just trying to

(41:21):
scare at that Phillips while he was holding them captive
and torturing him. The Baraboo bone Breaker story is not
just a story of violence and suffering. It's a record
of survival, an investigative persistence, and of the haunting way
in which a quiet town's collective memory has been reshaped
by what once seemed impossible. Today, the Wisconsin and Baraboo

(41:45):
rivers still flow, circus banners still hang in flutter in
summer breezes. But underneath it all lies a story of
darkness confronted and of a boy who refused to surrender.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Uh, do you know if he has a medical history,
because maybe he suffered a break himself and through that
could have been the bones, if you will, of this
fetish being born.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I see what you did there. No, I haven't seen
anything like that, but.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Man, oh yeah, you know a lot of kids, you know,
if you're jumping around, you know, I mean I used
to jump off garage roofs for no reason. I never
broke anything, but I could have. And people you see
he casts or skateboarding accents, I mean, why not him?
Maybe he broke something and fell in love with it.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
There it was like, oh, oh.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Probably not like that, but that's funny though.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
It could be a good sketch. But yeah, maybe that's
how I started though, maybe fell in love with it
through that.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I haven't seen anything like that, but that's that's an
interesting theory to.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, if he has a medical history and if it
reflects that. And as far as animals go, a lot
of animals that are not like obviously as pats, you know,
they have owners like that, you know, they don't they
don't have chips or anything. We don't know. I mean,
he's done. How many squirrel or raccoon?

Speaker 1 (43:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
We don't know. Yeah, and he's in the driftless area.
I mean there's tons of woods and streams.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, a lot of space in space, a lot of
bacon spaces, and it's not all inhabited all the time,
a lot of freedom, a lot of wildlife. I can
see that park being a thing. I can see the
leap here the bones and then wanting the satisfaction of

(43:26):
breaking a sturdier bone, because because a child is a
bigger version of the animals that are probably around them.
On this he was like, I feel like, I'm so
glad that he was caught early. Yes, you know what
I'm saying, because if he had, He's so developed in
his statistic nature that I wonder how much more dangers

(43:46):
he would have been had he gotten, you know, ten
years without being caught.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Absolutely right, So this would have this would have escalated
way worse.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, I mean I could see this guy putting traps
now and catching people that way. And it's because you
could you could break the balance of a trapped individual
like the way you do like a deer. It just
seems I was horrifying with the implications of what this
guy could have done.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I wonder if there were I think
about the kids surrounding him, family friends, young little cousins,
you know, babies, and look, I'm no buddy. I'm sure
investigators thought of this. I haven't seen anything that that

(44:33):
there was mysterious injuries around the kids around Joe Clark.
But that's a good question. I think it's a good question.
You know, was there some weird stuff happened to kids
and people just didn't put to them two together? It's scary.
It's very scary. And who is this other kid? Was
he bullshitting or is there another body out there? If
there are multiple bodies out there and he's quiet. This

(44:54):
guy he doesn't grant interviews, He doesn't talk to people.
Maybe he's done once since all this went down. Yeah,
Otherwise he doesn't say shit. So there's a lot of
unknowns with this one as well.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
A lot of them don't say enough.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah. So the Baraboo bone Breaker I've been up to.
I mean, that's a literation that worked there, right, It's
it's yeah. I kept thinking I was gonna trip up
saying that, But I've been up there. The Driftlessly Driftless Region,
Driftless Glenn is a distillery I really liked that's up there. Yeah,
so it is beautiful country. They call it God's country

(45:31):
up there. It's beautiful to have this happening in your town.
I believe you. I'm not gonna go up there, but
crazy all right, So that's it. Bearaboo boone breaker.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, what a what a wirre statistic fuck? I mean,
he was into the pain and the feel of something
that results in a lot of pain, way more than
the killing. I feel like the killing is almost inconsequential,
like it's just so he can keep doing it to
other people later. Yeah, it's like to save himself fucking
do it again. Not really because he wants to kill them,
you know, like if it was into breaking next, that'd

(46:03):
be a different story. But maybe that.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Oh no, he wants them alive as long as I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Understand why he goes for the femur. That's the biggest,
momm that's the reason why you want to go for it.
I understand, I understand.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I can't even think about it.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
I mean, I don't understand, but I understand.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
And then poor Chris Steiner, now that we know what
happened to him, imagine having your legs shattered. Yeah, what
I say the ankles and legs and then being thrown
into water. You're fucked. Yeah, what a horrible way to go.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Horrible way to go.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I need more drink. I need more whiskey.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I finished mine?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
M M. Anything else on this one? This was a
really until short one for us.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah it is. It was No, I got nothing else.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Well in that case, Oscar, I want to take us home.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Let's do that.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
This is not bad.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
It burns a little, but it's nice, good, good. But
it burns a while, like it's taking away my sin.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
It's making me a better man, right, putting hair in
places I didn't want to initially a hair at.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Right? Book? What's it called? I forgot what it's called.
It's a collection of authors that continued in the vein
of Stephen King's Stand. So it's like, you know, what
happened during the stand in other parts of the world,
what happened after the events of the book, you.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Mean because the stand? And I never read the book,
so I don't remember. Think I've seen one something a
movie or a mini series.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, there's yeah, a couple.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
It covers the world. It's not just in Maine, right,
it's like it's like a world ending it is, right, So.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
It's that's cool.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, they just kind of picked up and ran with
what happened.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Kind of like the war World war Z kind of
aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, I mean one story was Astronauts in Space, you know,
the captain trips broke out.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
So when the world went down, what happened up? There's
going now with them.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah. What the story I'm reading right now is from
that is cool?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Is that only online?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Or is it? No? I have it? I'm sorry that
when I don't have that's a kindle Katie got me
a Chuck the new Chuck Palain note book that that's
the book, but I haven't started.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
That yet, so different authors would part to write their
own thing.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
So it's not like there's not like a source where
you can find it all of these things in one
one book or one time. You have to find them
all separately.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Or no, no, no, it's one book. Okay, it's one, but
it's one anthology, got it? What's it called? And it's
in the the world of the Stamp.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, that's a cool idea.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
The one I'm reading right now actually to put it
down because I was getting choked up in the dental. Oh,
I gotta tell you about tell you it was from
the perspective of like wild African dogs painted wild African
painted dogs. It's a real breed, but it's from their
perspective in the zoo. What happens when there's no one

(49:24):
there to take care of us anymore.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
And it's got these animals you're saying.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, it's from the perspective of the two dogs watching.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, and was this commission? Stephen King backed it, So
it's not like fan fiction that people then took put
them together in the thing. What do you mean like
fan fiction?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Is you know this is a real Yeah, yeah, it's
an actual I think.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
The commission and commission.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah he wrote that's a word and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
That's really cool.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, it's fun like the twies.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
On the movie you know, they put like three big
directors to make one toile.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, I got it. So it's cool. I'm enjoying that.
Then after that one have the New Damn Brown Book,
and then after that one still writing he is, yeah, why,
And then then after that is the Chuck Pound note Book.
So I got a couple. I'm still getting there.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
It's so funny. I was so caught up on all
pollinook written material. I was so caught up. I read
like his first twenty.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Or seventeen, and I think you got me on it.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure did at least his first like
ten to fifteen. I read for sure, and then I
just stopped. And I haven't picked up anything new. I
know he's written many since. I probably have another ten
least ten at leasts that I haven't seen or read.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
What is his new? I forgot the title. I'm drawing
blanks right now. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
For some reason. It's just like I don't know. It's
just like I'm good. Yeah, maybe one day.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
It is called Shock Induction, that's what it's called. Released
in twenty twenty four, October twenty twenty four, So I
have that one in softcover.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, you know, yeah to graph one of my books.
I went to a book signing when to a borders
when borders were still around, that's how long ago it was.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
It was for a book called Rant.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, I got I got my Rants, say signed, that's
really And he told me I had it because I
don't know if you know the book. But it's about diseases. Well,
it's about one disease, but this kid has like all
these diseases. He creates a mass disease, like world ending epic.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I have it.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
He puts in the jacket like he writes. He signs
his name, and he puts like I was positive for
the disease.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Like that's cool. Remember guts Guts the short story guts.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
From the Haunted one? Or is it from a different one,
because he has a couple of short story compilations stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I read Haunted too, Haunted. It's the one where the
kid gets stuck to the pool. Oh my god, Yeah, horrible, horrible.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I never looked at I think that might be that one.
I'm not one hundred percent. It could be stranger than fiction,
or there's a there's at least one other one that
I can't think of. But gots is not the title
of any book that I know. It's I think it's
a short story in one of those kind of but
I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Know which one I heard.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
When he does I remember that story. I remember that's
very visually remember, like memorable.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
When he does it or when he used to do
it like live people people said it was really fucking intense.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah, it's pretty great. Yeah, I mean he gets there. Yeah,
he gets there. I also learned a lot about drugs
do all of his books, like he has at least
one person that knows intimate details about a certain kind
of drug or a certain type of drug that they take.
Invisible Monsters has like a whole ship about cosmetic drugs
and ad evant ambient what's the difference, how many to take,
what effect you want? Much to mix with alcohol? Will

(52:39):
get into all that ship. Well, I know that he
for sure like his youth he said before. I think
an interview said he did do some of this stuff,
like he knows a little, like he knows some stuff
from personal use, but the rest is just research and
maybe interviews. Who knows. I don't know how they do it.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, there was Pigmy.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
That was another one that was on the last that's
the I think that was the last book I tried
of his, the most recent book.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, and I couldn't even tell you what it was about.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I thought it was about it was about this. I
think it was a North Korean boy adopted and something. Yeah,
he was adopted by a white family in America. But
his he was like one of those secret Russians, like
you know, they're infortrating America through his adoption agency, and
there were a whole point is to create chaos or
destroy the American system. Something like that is a terrorist.

(53:24):
And the way he thinks and speaks, because it's all
through his perspective, is that it's very broken English. So
the whole book is written in broken English. Okay, and
that's what kind of I think that's what wrote me away,
and not from all pollinook, but that's what rode me
away from that book. Like I just couldn't really get
the rhythm going. It's a cool idea, though, but I
never I don't know how the story end is what. No, no,

(53:45):
there's a lot of people that.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
There wasn't a soul.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
No, no, you missed it. And there was a lot
of people there. I don't know what you saw. But
there was a ship a ton of people in the
horizon in the distance ship there was they were making houses.
Oh yeah, there's a bunch of houses and shit.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I thought I saw houses. But then when they like
when they panned again, it seemed empty.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
No, those are shit, A ton of people there. They
want the first ones. Maybe it was a cool death
I mean the way he ended, like, yeah, it makes
sense that he died right there, saving his family the
very last.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Many cool and the girl that they picked up along and.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
The girl, yes, which is like they basically picked up
a wife or his son. Yeah, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
They met the guy for like eight hours and he's like,
I've never met anyone I could trust more with my
daughter than you.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
What I'm like, that's not my serience with Europeans Eusually
they don't trust America.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Okay, exactly, not even eight hours two hours later, right,
that's pretty forced. You're right, I agree with you. It's
not as good as he liked. The wife's cooking. Yeah,
and next he's like, take my daughter. It was I
saw this.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Really bizarre movie today that I really liked, but it's
really hard to recommend. It's called Nirvana the Band, the Show,
the movie. That's the name of the movie.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
What is it.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
It's not about Nirvana at all, not about Kirkcabaine nothing.
It's about this these two guys that they did a
show called Nirvana the Band, and back in two thousand
and eight or something, they ran for two seasons out
of some local TV thing. It was very low budget.
They're Canadian. Somehow they got enough money over the last
I don't know, seventeen years to make a new movie.

(55:13):
They make this movie. I had no idea. I had
never seen the show I go in And this movie
is about like the continuous It basically continues out from
the last one, where is a two man band. One
plays the piano.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
One.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
They're both eccentric and weird and kind of cookie. One
of them is way more than the other and they're
both trying to figure out. They're trying to scheme their
way into getting a gig at like the best club
or the best bar in the city in Toronto, which
I think they're in Toronto. That's the whole point that
that's what they've been doing for seventeen years, try to

(55:44):
scheme their way into playing a set at this famous
watering hole, and somehow they accidentally invent time travel. It's
all very cookie comedy stuff. It invents time travel and
it becomes this like low rent kind of like low
rents in like the camera's very it's all very like
self documentary, and it's the budget is very limited. It's

(56:07):
all in their houses mainly like on the streets, and
they combine like Borat and Back to the Future and
all these weird stuff in it, it just becomes crazy.
It just blows up with this in sanity. It's time
to left and right. They're changing their lives. One of
it becomes a huge successful music star, and it's like insane, right,
It's also at the same time really funny and weird.

(56:28):
I liked it a lot, but I didn't know where
that movie was going. I've never heard of it. It
sounds interesting. No one's heard of it. Only out this
weekend is conn.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
After Oh what did you see it in the theaters? Oh?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Okay today?

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Wow? Yeah, have you heard of this Marky Plier movie? Yeah?
Iron Lung, I tell you saw it.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Really, I know, I'm not surprised that she saw it.
She seems like very.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Much every Wednesday they go to see something. No not.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I mean, well, okay, you're right, but I'm not surprised
that she would see it, giving her age like they
would see they would know YouTube stars way more than
you and I would.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Well what happened though, because like they're saying, it's this
whole conspiracy where you know, he found a way to
circum circumvent Hollywood circumvent the normal funding people the bank,
like the the machine, right, like the evil Hollywood machine,
and do it himself. And then it was doing well
like the first week or two, and then it was

(57:27):
pulled from all theaters and now it's gone.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
No, No, I don't know what that what that was.
Maybe if it's some of that's true, maybe it was
pulled in some cities, or maybe it was pulled all
together for maybe a weekend, but I doubt it because
I'm pretty sure it's still. I think I still found
showings today or that or a few days ago.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Obviously I didn't look into it, but like only.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Because I go to the movies enough to notice that
Iron Lung is playing every once in a while. Now
it's not as much anymore as when I first came out.
It's like maybe Champions once a day, I think, one
showing and anything.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yes, I can't.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Say the circumventing thing. That happens a lot more. It
just happens very differently than you think it does. For example,
remember that movie Red State.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yes, that was that was That was was not.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
The first, but that was one of one of those pioneering,
you know, non Hollywood machines, Okay, you know the movie Centers. Yeah,
that's owned entirely by the director. No movie is owned
by anyone that's not a studio. He owns that movie.
Ryan Coogler owns his own.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Really wow.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yeah, at least for the ten years that he's got
the rights for damn Like. So it's not the first,
not even recently, but sooner as was last year.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
It wasn't, but it is rare.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
You're right, it is rare. But also we just had
Sundance going on Sundances. It's what it's all sundance. It's
all independent movies. So let's say I tap the city,
make a movie.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Here.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I go to every business, every person, I know, every
family member, right, you max all your credit cards. You
make a movie, you scheduled to sundance, then a distributor
to pick it up. Then a studio, a twenty four
or paramount whatever, they pick it up to mass produced
or to put it in theaters and stuff. So that's
the normal way, typical way, and the independent movie we'll

(59:11):
get to ris the regular people's but that this is
in a studio picture. A studio picture normally would be
they fund everything, they find the director of the casting
and they put all the like the mor of movies, right,
they put the three hundred million dollars into vfcs or whatever,
and then they make it and release their own movie
as a product, so they can make money off of obviously.
But when they when within the pendent movies, they go

(59:33):
shopping during Sundance, they're like, Okay, we'll offer you thirty
five million dollars. If a twenty four sees that, like, okay,
I'll offer you forty.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Maybe that's what this market player did.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Well, I don't know, I know, I think he's circlemented
all that. He made his own movie. He has the
money to make his own movie without like having to
beg for people. So he has no staples, no contracts
with even independent business owners that would have given him money,
like to a poor person like me, right, because he
doesn't need it. He's just millions of dollars in his
own But he has to make a deal with the distribution.

(01:00:03):
The distribution, he has to make a deal with the theaters.
I don't know how he did that, but there was
something he had to do there. But most likely he
had connections I guess. Interesting, But that's a bit. That's
because he can do it because he is one of
those influencers. I can probably to get that far.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
But I'm sure soon we'll see me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I mean Red State had a very short theatrical run.
But you can't buy that movie. I mean you can
buy now, I think finally, But that thing is it
wasn't nowhere to be onun Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, that's a good movie too. I liked that movie.
That was a good movie. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
I agree. It's also much harder than what I'm saying.
There are a lot of stipulations, but that's hopefully how
it works.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah, and you said you didn't see Iron Lung, but
tell I like it. She did, She said she liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
It's a horror movie it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Is it about polio? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Isn't that what the Aaron lun comes from?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
The term and one of those diseases? Yeah, back in
the day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Yeah, Oh I saw sent Help. That was a good movie.
Sam Raimi's new movie. Yes, that's a good movie. You
like Drag Me to Hell? Right, it's very drag Me
to Hell energy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I want to see a Dragon Me Hell part two.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
He doesn't do man, let it go. I do want
to spend like fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Did she see it. No, I don't think she did
tell you. I want to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
You should show your Italia to drag me to hell.
If she ends up liking so help sand help and
drag me to hell. Very like same. You could tell
it's same director. You could help right away. It's a
kid's comedy but horrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
It's like, so it's out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
It's in the theaters, not for much longer though, it's
been out for like three weeks, so catch it soon
if you're going to do it. Okay, I saw Good Luck,
have fun, don't die.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I heard of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
That's a fun bonkers movie, doesn't make any sense, but
it's like a sci fi movie. It's like, has some
real dark humor, like has this insanely dark humor bit
about school shootings where well, it's said in this future,
not really future, it's not true. It's it's basically a
movie about AI and how much we should fear AI.
But it's a sci fi premise, so it's like all

(01:01:59):
very exploded into this action adventures heading. But one of
the things is that one of the characters flashbacks is
that they're a teacher and oh no, wait, this person's
son gets involved in a school shooting and he gets
killed in a school shooting, and she becomes aware that

(01:02:20):
there is this government approved service will they will replace
your son with a robot through AI as close as
possible to the characteristics of your lost child. And what
she doesn't know, and she finds out soon enough, is
that a this is a booming business and that be
there are many mothers that she encounters that also lost
children through school shootings that to them, this is a Tuesday.

(01:02:42):
They've done this multiple times. They encountered a couple who've
had their child, the same child killed in school shootings
four times.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And it's toot you like a laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Like a dark humans like that's a type of document.
But it's a lot more to it than that. But
that's a that's a weird movie. I liked it. It
was weird though it's hard. It's you might love it
or hate it. I don't know, Okay, Milania, if you
want to see a horror movie, have you seen it?
No one's seen that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I thought it made like it was the highest grossing
independent know that there was a category where it was
the nose about it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
No, I just didn't know it. So I didn't know
if you were being sarcastic. No, because they did announce
those they did say that. But they're lying and they're
overblowing it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Oh, really not true.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
The only reason that it's the most highest grossing documentary
in recent years is because no documentaries get released in theaters.
That's why it's not because it's because they're the only
documentary in recent years that've been released.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
That's They're so stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
That's how they are. My god, how they are. That's
exactly how they other lines.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
You trust me?

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
And no one's watched that movie, and that on ninety
nine percent score for the audience. It's all them. It's
not real. It's all their bots and ship it's not real,
not real. No one's watching this movie. And people who
are hitting it. They were paying people to watch this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Why did they are you serious? Why did they make
it in the first place?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Because they think they deserve all the line because they
they don't know the difference between selfish and ego and
where the line is detached. Wow, I almost want to
see it, but I would only see it if I
never pay for it, Like I think all pirate is
just to see how bad it is. Sucking trash.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
It is she in it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, she's sucking. That's an approved Trump approved thing. Yeah,
she's in it. She's the subject, so she is body.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
It's not someone playing her.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
It is now as far as I know, I mean,
she must.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
She must needed a project. She was bored. Yeah, dude,
it's I don't know what that is. I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
I can't believe we live in this world where that.
I mean, it's basically almost state of proved propaganda. I
assume I have no idea what it is because I
haven't seen an yet and I probably won't never see it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
He might give he might give us the disclosure. So
I'm not poo pooing on him yet. Oh I am.
I want the disclosure. I've done been No one child
is worth anything. A lot of people are saying he's
going to he's going to be the one that he's
doing it just bread and circuses, bro, give us the
Aliens brand and circuses. Every every feed there is is flooded.

(01:05:09):
Whatever app you're on, whatever platform, you can't get away
from it. So one day I said, you know, I'm
gonna start looking up some of these things that i've
because I've avoided it. I haven't because you don't know
what's true and what's false, what's real, what's propaganda, what's
what's ai you know, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Mean, but we've also touched on this topic a lot.
In other words, just thought this island specifically, we're just
so many.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Like the the owl thing or Bohemian Grove.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Thank you him and grow like we mentioned this many.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Maybe the problem is I sat down and I spent
maybe an hour, yeah, during work hours, so I was
getting paid.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Yeah, excellent, And I'll make sure I tell your.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Employer if it's in the outtakes. I'm kidding, what's that
in there? Now? So I went to the Government's of
the FBI site and I started typing in these like
dominent numbers. There's document numbers where you know, I'm Instagram.
I don't do TikTok er on Instagram. People will put
up these crazy claims and then put a document number

(01:06:12):
with it. Yeah. So I started looking up some of
those document numbers and it was real, Yeah, I know,
they're really like it's I would say ninety five percent
of the maybe twenty or so. It is disgusting things
that I looked up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Real, it's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Jay yeah, so I don't know, you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Don't know what about covering it, you mean, or just
my opinions of it. I mean, again, we've been saying
this kind of thing before.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
It's it's too too real. Yeah, it's too far out there,
it's I don't know, I don't know. But there's other
things to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Those snipers, we believe that. I'm just saying, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Just saw something about that not too long ago. Matter
of fact, Yeah, what was gonna say. I'm not surprised, honestly,
but there's been other ones that have been very popular
that turned out to be fake.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
So yeah, they're definitely fake ones for.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Sure, you know, and there's millions of pages.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Yeah, with the Ebstince thing. I also don't look at
it too too deeply because A, I know, I know
that a lot of Israel already from sources that I've trusted,
and that I've found two other sources to go along,
because I've you're kind of your kind of ethos on
the show. I follow that to real life as much
as I can with news, because there's so much out
there that we don't know to trust, I mean, and

(01:07:32):
I believe that to a point where like Okay, I'm
convinced this is happening. This has happened, and I don't
know what else is happening. Will capacity elsewhere today to
recuperate those kind of things, because which people are born,
they gotta do something. I don't know to what level
that goes on, but I believe it, and I stop
looking at it because I'm like anymore, I'm just gonna

(01:07:53):
get angry all the fucking time because I can't stand
this is this is really heartbreaking to read all this stuff.
It's heartbreaking, and there's way more stories at home that's heartbreaking,
much less some of the islands. Not that it's dismissive,
but like there's only so much you can read and
constantly read on it. So every time they come up
with something new or a new set of pages or
a new chapter of this fucking f steam files or

(01:08:14):
emails or whatever, which, by the way, terrible email.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Some of them too, Like you almost have to think,
is that shit, Well did he plant that stuff? Because
very stupid dude.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
No, people come on, people are especially the Thinky're gonna
get away with it no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Well, maybe I don't know, because there are other conversations
he's had in those messages and those emails where he said,
I can't talk about this here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
I find that out very few rich people are actually
that smart. I mean very few of them are.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Some people say he was stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Most of the really rich people are inherited, like they're not,
you know, and yeah, they lock down a few business
deals and now they own this, but it's because they
had that much to play with, you know. I'm saying
it's not the same. I really don't have I don't
think they're that's smart at all. Most of these people know, You've.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Got a point. A lot of people said Epstein is
not a smart person.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Like the ice sens of the world don't get that
money most most of the time. I'm saying one in
ten maybe of those geniuses get that kind of you know,
that's the scumbags, and it usually becomes scumbags, right exactly, Yeah, exactly,
you're right. They're not angels either.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Right, Yeah, I don't so I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I understand what I'm saying. I went to a point
where I stopped reading only because, like I believe it's
out there to what details, I don't know for sure,
because it's constantly coming in and coming new things. But
I know enough to say that it's real and it's
out there and it's disgusting and I can't read it
anymore because I needed to live my life. Yeah, but like,
I know it's true, and I don't need to read
anymore to not to like I feel like, why don't

(01:09:53):
need to confuse myself too much more?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
It's really just happened. To what degree, I don't know
for sure, But that's for other people whose jobs is
to figure out to do it Soma.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Those people who had to redact.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
I mean, I can't wait to see the documentaries on
this stuff, assuming that's made by the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Valid Crewe's reputable. Yeah, it's gonna happen other people in
a lot of times. It's gonna happen that he's alive,
He's out there running around. There's pictures of people who
look like him in like Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Oh yeah, I heard about those. Those I don't really
believe those are hard to find. Two sources on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah, or that Michael Jackson was killed because he was
trying to get kids way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
From about her that I heard about, that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Ellen degenerous eats people, is a cannibal. The biggest cannibal
in Hollywood or so, like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Any thing about Alan generous is that I found to
be true. That's negative is that she's kind of an asshole,
bitch of a person, never meets your heroes kind of person.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
But that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I don't hear like, which is probably half the people.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Like I could see her Itania eting somebody and tripping
them or something on the stand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I can see that, But I'm not gonna searing people
the babies specifically, right, you know, Yeah, but then you
know those photos came out with Prince Andrew, Yeah, and
he's kneeling over that chick.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
But we've also been very much disheartened and fooled by
these uber celebrities that we adore betraying us. I mean,
England has had so many and because their laws are
much more in play than ours, because mas are much
more malleable. No, ours are definitely malleable depending on how
much money you have, and there's isn't as much. They

(01:11:25):
are able to prosecute more. That's whether they're going a
lot more prosecution work these days.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah, he went down, he's going down.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
And you think about that one guy, the one who
wade those kids after he died and they found out,
like like that's a sucking icon figured you know how
rare that is, you know, and it's obas is going
to happen more and again people, So we just can't
believe it as Americans that our heroes are and celebrities
are doing it. But it's you know, so many of them.
Some of them's got do it that they have to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
But you know, I don't know. Yeah, I'm curious what
they're going to find at the Zero Ranch in New Mexico.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
I heard about that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Do they say that, you know, the island was one thing,
but the real heavy ship went down in New Mexico.
I don't know. Now they're saying they're going to start
researching that property. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
I mean, these days I'm more worried about and only
because there's more of a threat around me is the
ice stuff. It's more worried. Minnesota was huge, Yeah, Jesus
Christ going on over there, dude, I almost went over there, Minnesota,
of all places. iMOS went over that to process with them.
But really I couldn't afford.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
It, like you would think it would have been in
La or Chicago or New York. But fucking Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Well, that's the thing is that that tells you, that
kind of tells you. What scared me about that is
that it tells me that it's happening everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Could happen anywhere, Yeah, well no.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
But it's happening everywhere. Now those tragedies to that level
is happening right now in Minnesota. The point is it's
happening everywhere, that these tragedies are open to happen at
any any time. Arizona, Maine.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
It's fucked up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
It's really fucked up. Yep, you can see why our
people want to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Well, you got that, then you gotta worry about people
eating each other on top of it. Saintan worshipers Jesus Christ. Yeah,
what bingo card?

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
You know, don't forget dungeons and dragons. So oh wait,
that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Eighties, the Lesser of two Evils on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
But there's so many bad ones. In my point, there's
not many top Gun Mavericks. No, yeah, that was good
and screams and screams because the scheams are good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
So yeah, I want to see Top Gun Maverick again.
That was a great one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
I heard that they finally announced. This is so dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
This is so dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
There was a final announce finally an announcement for Fast eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Mm hmmm, how could they still be going? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Did you watch Fast ten?

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Okay, well then I think I maybe saw part of
Fast one. Oh really, they're good with Paula. I never
got into it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
They're fine. I mean, they're good action movies. Man, they're
a lot of fun. Oh yeah, they're a lot of fun.
I mean doing It's Heyday, because It's Heyday came surprisingly
when part three came out, and Part five and six,
those the best times for the Fast and Furious, like
those are the best movies three, five and six of
the best movie. Seven A is still good. Nine is

(01:14:01):
okay getting a little fucked up here. Ten was equal
parts fun and terrible, like it was like one of
those things. But ten famously ends on a cliffanger. It's
like a big two parter event. And that was like
two years ago at least. And now they're taking they
haven't even started filming yet. They didn't even have a
director yet. That's how late this next one is. And
it left on a cliffanger. We don't know anything. It's

(01:14:23):
a real ship show. It's a real ship show with
a fast.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Eleven or fere Is eleven whatever color, the bare boo
bone breaker. Do you remember that one?

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Nope, you have to remind me. Nope, I remember a
written Nope. At least I'm honest, we were. I remember
a few times I would get beat up like outside
and then you know I would with a swollen cheek.
I would be sent just cool. Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Yeah, that's the one. You know if Niko spends a
lot of time on a laptop too, but he'll also
put it down and go out when his friends are here.
They're running around, theyghborhood, walk into the store, them over.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
I see them man on Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
He's running everywhere, and just go just just go get out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
I mean, just just chip your kid already it seems like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
You know, yeah, he's gotten the gnarly road rashes and
shipped from his bike and skateboards, and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
My knees are still like there's still you can still
see like the scars. Most times I fucking fall on
my bike.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Makes it tough, dude. I sprained up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I skinned the ship out of this name. At least
I knew I fell correctly, though I always fell on
my knees and face.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, but I have a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Scars on me though from the ship like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Because you had a good childhood, that means you're a
good childhood man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Well, no, I disagretated my childhood, but like it's not
because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Were your parents really strict when you were growing up?

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
No, they were, They were in part partly strict. It's
more like impulse, like most things with parents. Says that
it's more the impulse, whatever impulse they're in you. So
they're angry, ad fucking take it on you. But if
they're not, they're not. But it's it's they were mainly
absent because they both had the two jobs and shit
like there's like a lot of absentees.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
And the latch key kids, Yeah that was one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Yeah, I mean there was a lot of family around,
a lot of people we knew, and you know, living
in the same house sometimes for a while before they
found their own homes. So it's not like people were
never there, but there was large swats of time where
they weren't around, so after school before so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Yeah, what year were you born in? Eighty four? Eighty four? Yeah,
there was still latch keys in eighty four for sure.
I feel like it died out in like the two
thousands for some reason. But eighties nineties absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
I was probably the last bit of people that did that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Yeah, I had that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
It was probably the last part of that generation that
had it. You were like in the middle somewhere, and
then there was like a.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Few more before. Yeah, it's all dude, we did all right, yeah,
fready spaghetty. Yeah, Okay, I don't know. Studian fign F
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