Klay Calls Out Ja + Who We’re Jumping Ship On

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Yay yay, my man, missus.

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Jabari Davis joining the Baseline NBA podcast with us this week.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
What is good? J D? Man, welcome back to the Foe,
my brother.

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I'm not gonna lie to you. Hearing you say yay
yay each time it makes it all worthwhile, Like even
beyond being honored and appreciative to be able to talk
to booth with you guys, I appreciate this brother.

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Yeah, and as always too, my man Shaw.

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me giving him a yay yay, but you know what
I'm saying, what's good? My brother was good.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'm excited, man. We're we're basically a month into the
season and you know, this week's show is a great
opportunity and it's always funny we get to bring JD on,
but we have kind of like one of our like
coveted segments, so to speak, Like it's one thing when
we just have our show and we talk our hoops,
but when we put a little twist on it, JD
always brings an extra flare to that. So I'm really
excited to kind of get it this one as all
with absolutely man.

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So for our listeners, man, this is this is one
of those great episodes that we like to have because
we don't often do it, but when we do it,
we want to make sure it's been highlighting, you know,
the stuff that's obviously going on, and it's great because
we get the JD energy added into that, and that
is our coveted talk ish or abandoned ship episode, man,

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And everybody who's been around us knows that basically it's
just kind of relitigating some of the things that we
may have said. Are we still on our thoughts about
what we had said earlier this year before the season started,
or is it time for us to start abandoning shit?

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Man.

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So this is always a great segment that we'd like
to have because one, it keeps us honest about where
those tides have change possibly, and it also gives you
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what's taking place already in the first quarter of the
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we get into our coveted, talk ish or abandoned ship segment,
I had to make sure I get my people's on
real quick to kind of chime in a little bit,
because what better way to kind of seg us segue
us into the talk issue of avandis shit then the

(04:08):
recent that happenings that's been going on right now between
a man you know what I'm saying, Cash is Klay Thompson.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
We'll be delivering them body blows on the microphone quite
quite nicely in apropos and John Morant for the Memphis Grizzlies.
The people have been paying attention to what's been going on.
Klay Thompson is not holding back how he personally feels
about John Morant, how he personally feels about how the
Memphis Grizzlies, you know, speak to him, and and and

(04:36):
how they see him, and just the way the whole atmosphere.
And I thought it would be apropos for us to
be able to have this kind of conversation real quick
before we get into the main part of our segment,
because I really wanted to get JD and Shaw's thoughts
on this, So I'm gonna start with you on this.
JD man like to hear Klay Thompson really start airing
out and speaking truth to in his opinion about how

(04:59):
he sees John Rant, how he looks at him as
not just a basketball talent, but also as a player
in the NBA. And then to hear John Morant clapping
back and the whole situation and of itself. Man, I
really wanted to get where your perspective is on this.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, this is one of those situations where like, and
initially it'll sound like I'm talking out of both sides
of my mouth, but you'll bear with me. I have simultaneously,
I have no problem whatsoever with NBA guys going at
when an they're saying what you're saying. One needs to
be said also, Clay, like we can be real about
it at thirty three years old after Achilles shirt, you

(05:34):
Achilles rupture in acl tear, uh, you know, all of
the attrition of you know, like those of those deep
runs with Golden State. Yeah, obviously he's not the same
player that he once was, but sometimes you got to
be more aware of you, like, of your reality. And
if I'm John Moran, I have to I have to
look at it like this. Yeah I might yea, I

(05:54):
might have, let you know, let my emotions get the
best of me. But I'm sorry, it's kind of like
it's kind of like that, like, oh, I know you
not talking situations because it's like, hey, look, if I'm Clay,
I look back at John and I say, exact kind
of exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
What he did. He did it perfectly.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
But it's basically like I might be a has been,
I might not be what I once was, But what
are you?

Speaker 4 (06:14):
What have you done? Where are you in your career?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
You're still in the prime, in you in what we
would consider hopefully your athletic and you'll did a professional
prime and you're not available for your team, and when
you are, you're not that You're You're simply not that guid.
So again, no disrespect, you know, lick intended. But if
I'm John, honestly, I need to look myself in the
mirror and really get you know, you know, get myself together,

(06:39):
because I'm you know, his numbers have declined the last
three years. He is not putting up superstar you know numbers.
Matter of fact, he's not even putting up star numbers.
So before I go talking to a four time champion,
talking to you know, like somebody in that way, putting
my finger in his face and all of that, I
might want to get myself together.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I think Clay's responds, know, and Clay Clay's had a
rough year because obviously the maps are not playing well.
He specifically is not playing well, so everybody feels like
it time to dance on his grave while he's technically
still living out here in the NBA, but from his
girlfriend stuff with make the Stallion and the Pat Beverley,
only for Pat Beverley to get arrested, like I think
a week or so later. You know, I don't know.
I think fucking with Clay might not be what you

(07:19):
want to do. The commerce seems to be on his
side right now, so who knows what else is coming
for John Moran at this stage. I think, Jad you
said it, I think perfectly at this Clay has right.
He's he's going to be a Hall of Famer. John
Moran is not that, and we're still waiting. We're still
waiting for John Moran to be even a semblance of
the player that we thought when we were talking about
future phases of the game, best American Player and all

(07:41):
of those things. Everything has gone off the tracks for
Joss since that time, inclusive of the actual Memphis Grizzies
and their ability to be a competitive team in the
Western Conference and to struggle to beat this MAVs team,
which is in disarrange, and you're talking ish after it.
By my g like, just sit this one out, come
back to your team and try to do something positive
on the court instead of running your mouth. And I know,

(08:03):
you know, I'm not trying to talk tough, but whatever
case would be. I understand Joss talent and all of that,
but we're at the stage now where it doesn't even
matter anymore, Like you're not doing anything that's productive, and
that's what we need to see to kind of get
back on the jam Morant trade.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, if we're talking real quick, you know, real quick.
Here My thoughts on this is he doesn't understand that
this is not a winning situation for him, no matter
how you slice it. And the one lasting factor that
John Morant has left to salvage at this particular stage,
which is crazy that we've been talking about this is
the legacy that he has as a star caliber player

(08:39):
because if he doesn't come back and actually helps to
elevate the team that he's playing, no matter where he
goes to those other organizations that you are basically auditioning for,
because again, this may not this, this doesn't this isn't
gonna bold Well, there's no way that you're gonna salvage
whatever it is that you can do for the Memphis

(08:59):
Grizzlies some particular points. Something that's going to change. But
the perception of how they see you as a basketball
player will no longer be as a floor general, will
no longer be as a true leader to a team.
It's going to be your really talented dude, and we're
going to try to maximize your talent, which in most
cases can mean we're going to use you until you
are unusable, which is not a place you want to be.

(09:21):
For a person of John Morant's, I guess you know
his total package and resume at this early stage of
his career.

Speaker 1 (09:30):

Speaker 2 (09:30):
And it's unfortunate because we can go through a laundry
list of a lot of guys who have had immeasurable
talent to bring to the table to the NBA, but
because they didn't get it right mentally, they didn't get
it right in what they're in what they should have
been bringing to the table as a as an athlete
for the teams that they're playing for their careers essentially,

(09:50):
and the perception of people how they see them get
cut short very quickly, and that's unfortunate because I think
I'll get to your point. It's not like John Morant's
career is over, but clearly the path of his level
of greatness is to the point where if you can't
even do this right.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Which is speak to whatever the problems are, you know. Yeah,
I want to interject really quickly, this is not a
great comp Jdy're actually better at comps than I am
when it comes to these types of things. But I
would say John Moran's career whatever, what whatever player at
comp he was previous is like maybe Derek Rose or whatever,

(10:27):
I don't know, Like all the names are throughout there.
He's showing more towards like a Steve Francis, Like somebody
was really good.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
For a while, you know what I mean, And yeah,
all this talent, but then shit just went left, like
you know, you can't really explain it, but it just
didn't really go the way and for the amount of
years that you would expect it, especially with the injury stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
But that's how I'm kind of seeing jar right now.
I don't know, could you have a comp Jamari that
you could kind of come up with no. I honestly
I don't mind. I like that.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
I like that comparison because, like, if we're being real
about it, you know, CEV Franchise and okay, and I should,
I should make it clear for anybody that may not
you know.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Know, I was a huge job guy.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I was pulling for him to be best American player,
face of league, you know guys. So when I say this,
this is not just like I'm not hating on him,
It's simply just being disappointed. But the reason why that's
an apt comparison is because obviously, you know, Franchise had
is off you off the court stuff. He had demons,
he had stuff that he you know that he would
that he was enduring and dealing with. I'm not, you know, like,
I'm not trying to make this into more than what

(11:25):
it is. But if I'm John Morant and again he
would he would look at this and say like, yeah, whatever,
you know, the finger gun all, you know, like you're
out of existence. But the reality is this, when you've
had this, you know, the issues, the off court issues
that you've had, when you've had the on court issues
that you've had, when you've had you know, like the
the the availability is the best ability when it comes
to professional sports, when you've had the availability issues that

(11:47):
you've had, when you've had the issues which back to
back coaches that you've had, when you have your franchise
putting you in a position where they're saying, hey, look,
we don't know what else can be done at this
stage already, at this pointing your career. Again, look yourself
in the mirror and recognize when you were when you
were pointing your fingers saying, bum, I know who you
were talking to.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, this is all great stuff, man. And again I
wanted to get your guys' perspective. I hope you know,
and we would definitely want our people to to to
let us know. We don't want people to come in
with you know, like what you see basically on some
of the most social media outlets of people are just
weighing in on the verbal jabs. I'm taking it from
the perspective of Klay Thompson is a Hall of Fame

(12:29):
basketball player who despite everything is going through, is still
relevant even for the team that he struggles with, and
when he calls out a star player that he has
actual immense respect for from a talent perspective, but he
calls him out by saying, you show no intelligent depth.
He's speaking more to the fact that you're not even
reading the signs properly, and I'm trying to let you

(12:50):
know even coming at me right now is not even
good for you. Like that's saying a lot. And Clay
doesn't even have to do that. He could he could
basically be airing him out all day long, same way.
But I think it's so frustrating because this has not
been the first time that he has had these type
of dealings with him and other players from the Memphis Grizzlies,
and I think he's at his point where he's like,
I'm not even doing this with you because you have

(13:11):
nothing to offer me. And I think that's the part
that's disappointing in the community of athletes that play within
that that you know, that brotherhood. He's trying to help
him out by saying, Yo, man, I'm letting you know
you're not winning this fight no matter how much you
want to speak to it. Because you feel like this
is where you need to play this, You're not playing
it right.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Can I just piggyback on there just really quickly, because
I actually forgot to mention that specifically. And I'm not
saying that he'll be blackballed or anything like that. Josh
still going to be like people are always going to say,
like until he can't simply cannot perform at all, people
are always going to be like, you know, I'll kick
the tires on that. But bear this and keep this
in mind. Clay is respected, Clay is you know, Clay
is a legend. As Warren mentioned, Clay is going to

(13:51):
be a Hall of first ballot, Hall of Famer, it Yillick.
That's what most and he's and he's very well, you know,
like you know, respected and appreciated by people in the
and around the league.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
So all I'm saying is.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
If your job, don't add to the stuff, don't add
to the mountain that you're climbing.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Absolutely, absolutely your tuned to the baseline.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Calie warren Shaw and our special guests Jabari Davis joining
us here discussing the hot button topics of the NBA
coming up.

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Click as shit, then take your band and ship.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
We are back Calie Warren Show Special guests Jabari Davis
a k A j D in the house and we
are ready to do a little talk ish or abandoned ships.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's one of our favorite.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Segments, man, because we kind of go back to some
of the things that we may have been talking about,
whether it be a player, a team, or a specific
storyline and wherever our take was probably back then are
we still on that same pathway or do we believe
it's time for us to abandon and ship on it now?
What makes this awesome is is that while JD didn't
get to join us in this he can always keep

(17:07):
us honest because if there's anybody who is gonna keep
us honest about our Lake that hate, if there's anybody
gonna keep us honest about our Celtic love, is anybody
gonna keep us honest about our NBA affinity?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I man, JD.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
It's like, you know, the perfect the perfect therapist and
truth serum to make sure that we acting right when
we have these kinds of conversations.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
So let's get started, man.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Our first topic is going to be for talk insh
or abandon ship. It's gonna be the Milwaukee Bucks. And
it's interesting because to me, my mentality about the Milwaukee
Bucks was that this is a team that is going

(17:49):
to have a down year, that while we believe that
Giannis is gonna carry the heavy lifting, because the identity
of this team is so different from what it's been previously,
that they are going to struggle to be able to
put things together. So I guess the except that the
topic of the conversation is is do we want to

(18:10):
continue to talk that ish about the Milwaukee Bucks having
that down year or given the surprise that the Milwaukee
Bucks has kind of shown us, you know, being a
above five hundred basketball team thus far, given what they reflected,
do we abandon ship on that premise?

Speaker 1 (18:26):
So I'm gonna start with you shaw, I'll yeah, yeah,
I'm good. I'm gonna jump in. I think we just
need to kind of like re clarify because I think,
you know, more or less, we had the Bucks as
this kind of middle of the pack team and it
was like, hey, you know, maybe they can knock on
the door. But I think when it comes to talking
is for abandoned ship. We always knew this was gonna
be Jana's dependent. If Jannis has to play at thirty
six minutes a night, if Jannis is gonna miss five

(18:48):
to ten games fifteen games a year, that ultimately is
going to tank their overall trajectory. And I think we're
at that stage right now with Gianni's and being on
the shelf with another soft tissue injury, wishing to be
all the rage in the NBA for the last couple
of weeks for whatever situation is there. Now you're led
by Ryan Hollins, who I think it's probably a most
improved candidate, but he's not somebody who should be leading

(19:10):
your basketball team. Unfortunately, for the Milwaukee Bucks. So I
did you say most improved? Are most improve improve a
lot of people? Yeah, a lot of people are learning
about Ryan Ryan rob at this point, and you know,
at the end of the day, though for me it's
I am actually going to abandon ship and I don't

(19:31):
know how long Giannis's injury and maybe it's a bitter
prison of the moment. But instead of middle of the
pack in the East, I think I'm more comfortable with, like, yeah,
this is a team that's going to be fighting for
the lottery and uh, sorry, sorry for fighting for the plane.
I'm sorry. Like, I still think they're going to be
very competitive, but saying that they're going to be firmly
into that, you know, in that four or five six range,
I'm just a little bit more dubious, especially because some

(19:54):
other teams have taken leaps that I didn't expect, you know,
and I don't know if they'll be able to maintain that.
But that's where I'm att with Milwaukee. I think they're
no longer a middle of the pack team in the East.
Be honest, injury obviously very very dependent. I'm gonna throw
them down into playing situation. Jabari, your thoughts on Milwaukee
coming into the season, whether or not you're going to
talk issue abandon ship on that prediction. No, I'll be

(20:15):
honest with you with this one.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
I can be. It's real simple. I was right there
with you. I thought they were middle of the pack.
In fact, I think in the in our prediction video,
I think I said there'll be a six seed maybe
you know, somewhere between a five and seven. They'll be competitive,
but unlet and it was contingent. It was actually during
my conversation with cal it was contingent upon Janni's being
able to be terminator y honest, like everything in all things,

(20:39):
you know, for all people. And the reality is that's
probably too much to ask of him at this stage
in his career, especially given the given the health concerns,
given that he is getting up there. You know, he's
not old, he's not you know, he's not over it,
but he he's he's got enough years in the in
the league where you don't want to have to lean
upon him. The reality is this, there was a mediocre
roster to begin with.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
At best.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
If things went worked out perfectly, it would have been,
like you know, in that range. But I'm right there
with you. I'm gonna abandon ship because they can't. They
have not even been that right quite frankly, right now,
they're outside of the plane. They're outside of it. They're
not even not even like you're in that cover, you know,
like or in that uh that mode. So look, I'm
not saying it's a terrible roster. It's just not anywhere

(21:22):
near a competitive and you'll you have forbid you call
it a championship roster. So if that's the case, if
you're Milwaukee, go ahead and figure it out.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Go ahead and figure it out, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Matt, Matt cash In and I know that we've got
a section coming later on. I'm not gonna not gonna
jump the shore, but it's time to go ahead and
do the same thing that Burne and I said and
jump ship.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, I guess I've always been on that that that
that that ship right to talk is about the Milwaukee Bucks.
I don't mind the fact that you know there was
there's this terminator version of of Giannis Atkumpo, because I
think we both all knew that that was basically what
was gonna happen. Because you never got any kind of
talent that alleviated a lot of the things that you're

(22:03):
that Jannis is taking upon himself to do. I think
the biggest indictment in regards to this right and I
still see this team probably hanging around because there's just
too much winning DNA. I think to your point, it's
the extent of the injury to Yannis, but you didn't
shure up the one thing that is forcing Giannis to

(22:24):
have to be that guy on everything is because of
what you did in getting Miles Turner. Like Miles Turner
struggle struggling is not even just from him not scoring
the basketball consistently, but he gives you nothing in rebounding.
He gives you nothing from a defensive standpoint, and that
to me is forcing that burden on Yiannis. And I'd

(22:45):
said this that this to me wasn't a great combination
of having Turner and Jannis out Dakoumpo the same way
that you had Brook Lopez and Jannis. I think that
to me is I think where that that's going to
turn things to it in its head, because again you're
not addressing the elephant in the room of having at
least a comparable swing swing man. Maybe they're still trying

(23:05):
to figure that out with with Kyle Kuzma, but that
to me, he's the key more than anything else. If
Kyle Kuzma cannot be consistent on the court to give
you like those Middleton type minutes and numbers, you know,
prior to Middleton's injuries and everything like that, then this
was gonna go sideways anyway. And again I feel bad
because the Milwaukee Bucks can just basically stumble themselves into

(23:27):
that middle of the pack realm because I think a
lot of teams are gonna come down to earth and
there's gonna be a lot of load management for a
lot of these teams. But the Ryan Hollins point, I
think to me is a welcoming surprise because at least
now you're getting something you know from what's not gonna
be a real good situation for the Bucks.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I think what you said towards the end makes
a lot of sense to you. I think when you're
comparing it to the rest of the conference, because like
who's while JD indicated like, yeah, they are right now
all elements as we record right now, who's below them
really doesn't have any hopes of actually getting I don't
think there's one of those teams right now from Charlotte, Indiana, Washington,
and Brooklyn. None of those teams should make a foreseeable

(24:08):
run at Milwaukee, even even with the din To be honest,
So and whether or not you think the Bostons of
the world or whatever like that can really kind of
hold on into that true, true playing lens. That that
that's a lot to be kind of be kind of
kind of conversated about, in addition to obviously Toronto and
some other teams that we need to discuss, Chicago, et cetera.
But for me, like I can see them maybe getting

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back into this, but I'm just not comfortable where we
stand right here today. So that's why I'm gonna go
with the abandoned ship and just knock them down or
tier from where I had them to begin the season.
Any thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
JD bottom out, I'm sorry, Like if I'm if I'm honest,
I'm looking at this roster, shout out to Ryan Rowlins.
You're like tremendous you You'll start to the year. I
hope you get it all year. When Kyle Kusban is
in your top four conversation.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Stop it, stop it, Okay?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
And I and and this again is a Kyle Kus
MC guy Noah love Coops stop.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Oh man, miss you so much, JD. We miss you
so much. Brother. All right, let's go ahead and shift our.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Attention now, uh to the is it Toronto Raptors, shaw
or the Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
You got me all messed up. I'm sorry. I'm going
by I see that.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I see the way that you have it listed on
our you know, on our platform, you know, shout out
to stream yard. I see how you listen on it,
and then I look at what we have outlined, and
it's it's.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
It looks different to me.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
So I don't know if I should be going by
what we have listed in you know, or we should
go by what's on on our in our outline.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Always go by the outline. I'm okay, I'm God lead
us in here. We're gonna talk about the Toronto Raptors. So, uh,
the Toronto Raptors, you know, in the Eastern conference somehow,
as we're recording, sit second or I think tired for
second in the East, I'm at eleven and five, and
I will say, I want to say, gave ourselves some credit,
but we gave ourselves some wiggle room because we said

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this Raptors team has a lot of talent, and I
don't know, or I said, this person is like I
didn't necessarily like the talent together. I was like, you
have all these guys, but do they really mix mash?
And ironically, to me, I looked at the Raptors as
almost basically the East Coast version of the Sacramento Kings.
It's like, hey, these guys individually, Hey, all right, maybe,

(26:19):
but you can clearly see that this shouldn't work or
for some damn reason in Toronto right now is working,
you know, and coach Rokovic has them rocking and rolling.
You never know who's going to be the lead guy.
I think that's what a lot of people are saying,
is like Ingram has led in embarrassing them, Barnes is
letting them at times, well too, Doctor Pertle is just
doing his screen assessed thing when he's able to play.
They're getting great production and they're basically too deep. You know.

(26:42):
Everybody who comes in is production, from Jamal Shed to
Greaty Dicta. Everybody's really hooping for the Toronto Raptors team.
The question here now is and I'm gonna get my
ask my answer last is, but do we talk this year?
And I'm gonna kick it to UCL because again, remember
we have them as playing worthy, but right now they're
sitting as a damn contender in these conference, which seems wild.

(27:04):
So what are you gonna do. You're gonna talk ISSU
or a bandis ship on your raptors per season? Now,
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I'm not gonna abandon ship just yet because again, this
is the first quarter of the season. And and listen,
if you recall last year, we took a while before
we got came around to the idea about the Cleveland
Cavaliers of whether or not they were a real team
just a season ago with the rent, with the run
that they made. Right, Like, what we're saying is that
what is sustainable for them to dominate the Eastern Conference
the way that they did because we were still believing

(27:33):
in the fact that the Boston Celtics essentially should be
able to catch up with them or hang with them,
or whatever the case may be, and it essentially became
a two man race between the Knicks and the UH
and the Cleveland Cavaliers. Last year. I think that the
Cleveland Cavaliers, when fully healthy, will kind of elevate themselves.

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I see the New York Knicks probably figuring things out
and being, you know, an LA team. So I'm not
gonna sit here and just complete, like go off the
rails and say, Okay, the Toronto Raptors are you know,
a viable contender per se. I will say though that
they will surprisingly be a really really good team, and
we will see that whether or not happens by the

(28:16):
time we get to the midway point of the NBA season.
Because the one thing I think to your point earlier
that you just said, is everybody is coming in and contributing,
and you don't know who's gonna be you know, the
guy on any given night, and I just wonder whether
or not that formula for success is sustainable when you
do have to play the better teams either in the

(28:38):
comp in either of the conferences, like it's gonna come
down to, you're gonna have to make sure that whoever
your go to guy is is putting that ball in
the basket when it counts and when it matters the most.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
And so we'll see, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
So my whole thing is is that I'm not completely
abandoning ship, but I do like the fact that the
Toronto Raptors are talking that ish about taking us curiously
if this is what Rakovich is getting out of the
players that he has right now, because they're all showing
us that there is a level of talent that we
should be respectful of in the way that they're playing
their game and they're doing it unabashed.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
All right, Jabira, what you got? Yeah, I gotta be
honest with you.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
I don't know whether I'm the abandoning ship or talking ish,
but I'm I guess I'm abandoning ship because I thought
the Raptors at this point probably you know, like be
competitive kind of like you said, like, you know, comparing
them to like a Sacramento you know, ad to eight,
maybe nine and seven, you know, like if things were
going well, but the fact that they're eleven and five,
you know, look, I know it's still early in the season,
but they're seven and three on the road.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's a quarter of their.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Road schedule, you know, So like if you're if you can,
I don't know whether it'll continue, but if you're already
winning seventy percent of your road games and you're a
young team like this, I would say you're you're definitely
off on the right foot kind of to Warren's point,
they're getting great contributions from everybody. You know, I'm biased
when it comes to b I I was hopeful. I
was hopeful that it would work. I wouldn't certain that

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it would work. It's working so far. You know, guys
like Scottie Barnes, R J. Beard, Manuel quickly, they're all
playing well. And again the Warren's point, they've got a
bunch of dudes that just like not only do they contribute,
but it seems like they enjoy playing for one another
and as well as with one another. Look, everyone in
Toronto is cheesing fomb and and quite frankly, I'm here

(30:20):
for it. Toronto's been taking L's for the past two
years in a lot of different ways, a lot of
different ways. And you know what, more power tool, more
power to them. Let them stay, let them stay in
this make We got to give Drake a reason a
smile for a change.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
No, no, no, no, no, he can say where he's at,
but the rest of.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Toronto, so from from my lens, you know, and I'm
gonna just cut to the chase where it's like I'm
going to abandon ship. I think this. I don't think
this is the playing team that I pegged them out
to be, and there's rumors that they could even try
to be buyers in the market now because things have
gone as well as it is, I'm going to bump
them up a tear, so I'm going to abandon ship

(30:59):
as a play team. I think this is at least
the middle of the pack team. I think they will
come back to earth to some degree. But their fifth
in offense right now, but more importantly tenth in defense.
And while that is maybe not as a surprise because
they have, you know, guys that are all kind of
ranging and lound, and especially when Bi decides that he's
going to try defensively, that makes whatever team is on

(31:20):
that much better. But for me, it's the fact that
they don't turn the ball over much, they're shooting high
percentage in terms of three they don't shoot a lot
of them, but I think they're fifth overall three point
percentage or something like that. And this offense is really
clicking with this kind of like committee approach, and I
think at the times you start to wonder, like I
can't really work. I still see BI as the lead guy,

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the guy that would trust the most down the stretch,
I think quickly will like to take some of those moments,
just because that's the type of individually, is the irrational
confidence guy. But I like what's happening in Toronto right now,
and if they go out here, then I'd be careful
about shaking up this chemistry right now. But I'm going
to abandon ship and I think this is more at
the middle of the pack team of the.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
See and listen final point and then we'll move on
to the next team show. But that, to me, I
think is the key. Like I like the idea that
this team is showing that they can be successful together,
and they are just those times when we're having these
kind of conversations and in my head, I'm like, I
wish I was sitting in the executive offices or in
the general manager's office and being like, bro, don't mess

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this up.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Like if your head coach.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Has got these guys, even if you're saying they're overachieving
and playing above their head, don't go out and get
somebody that you think, quote unquote is going to get
them over the top.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
And what that does is.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Actually get them rethinking about their flow, their ability, and
then forcing the head coach to have to worry about
another thing that he just finished putting this team in
the best position possible to at least compete.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
And that's that, to me is the part that scares me.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
So, you know, it's kind of interesting that we're saying
talk issue abandoned ship about this. Then my whole thing
is I don't want to be talking too much is
because I like this team flying under the radar and
doing and doing the overachieving, because then you don't go
out and get players that are going to mess up
whatever it is that we enjoy seeing from the Toronto Raptors.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Six and three point percentage, to go ahead and look
up my stops here fifth and two point percentage, and
and see how you get a kick out of this.
They're second in assist they're sharing the ball. So James
Arrego and New Orleans should be looking to see what
the hell around that identity? Jabari, did you have a
final thought there on the Raptors before you move on?

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I was gonna be silly. It was it was about Grady.
It was mainly, you know, like if he could take
a step. If Dick could rise to the occasion, they
could actually be get it. They could actually be something.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
About easy, easy easy. JD.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Shaw has been very mindful about you know what I'm saying.
You know, uh, brother, the brother is just being you
know what I'm saying, just feeling embolding and confident to
talk about any and anything that.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Has gotten It's any time announcers say they always say
it's first and last name because they know what it
is like where it's it's it's a little.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Everyone knows I'm a child. I'm in my mid forties
and I'm a child. But I actually wrote it in
my nose. I was like, if Dick can rise to
the occasion.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Here, we are fair. All right, We're gonna move on.
Where do we gonna get those road reads? Now that's
let's keep it in the Eastern Conference. And now you know,
since l messed up our no, so I'm gonna go
ahead and pivot on the on the run here Orlando Magic.
This is a team that started off really really down

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and started to pick it up. As of late, they
are dealing with the Paula Bay Bank Carol injury. It
seems yet again, right now as we're recording, they're getting
spanked by the Celtics. Don't know what the outcome of
that game is ultimately going to be. But Orlando is
now was a contender for US. CL like this would
seem that we're looking as a contest US when we
did starting initially. Who's that US? US? Yes, collective. Remember

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our rankings are a collective collaborative between US and Das Valley,
and that is where we landed the Orlando Magic. You,
i'd say, correctly ascended the Detroit Pistons into the contender
which made the contender tier a little money. I can't talk,
I guess you about that though you certainly can't. But
I think right now we're talking about the Orlando Magic

(35:13):
right now, who are sitting really and kind of in
the play and range as opposed to the contender spot. Obviously,
I'll kick it to you first, CL. You know, where
do you think the Orlando Magic really are right now
as compared to how they're performing today.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I'm not going to abandon ship on this team being
somewhere in the you know, eventually being you know, a contender.
I think they're just too good for them not to be.
I think Jamal Mosley is going to hold these guys accountable.
I will say, though, if the team continues to struggle
with the inconsistencies of their ability to play the kind
of defense they played last year, I want to see

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Jamal Moseley step in and step in on them real hard,
because to me, that is always going to be the
Orlando Magic's calling card because this roster again is probably
still going to need another year before we see the
cult and cool offensive potency. So even if you're bringing
me a Desmond brain, that's that's great. And if he's
still struggling to shoot the basketball or you're getting you know,

(36:09):
you're not getting clutch baskets from your your your tier
guys like Wagner and bon Carrol like that. The very
least they need to stay within games, and that's because
they play good defense. And if they're not doing that,
then that's exactly the reason why it's easy for everybody
to just abandon ship on this team. But like I said,
give this this conference time, right, Like all of the
teams that were in top tier, the Cleveland Cavaliers, the

(36:33):
Orlando Magic, all of them have struggled. The New York
Knicks have struggled out the gate, and if you can
basically make the argument, with the exception of the Cleveland
Cavaliers new players added into the mix, you're gonna see
these guys come slow out of the gate. I think
if they round out the shape, barring no injuries, they
will round.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Out to form.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
So I'm not gonna talk I'm not gonna abandon ship
on the Orlando Magic, but it will elevate my ability
to keep talking that ish about the Detroit Pistons and
why they are where they are. So for those people
who are now sleeping on how good the Pistons could
potentially be, Okay.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, I'm I'm right there with you. I'm right there
with I'm right there with both of you guys. I'm
not I'm not abandoning ship. I had Orlando as a
contender coming into the season. I still believe that they
will be that. I'm not surprised that there were a
little bit of you know, there's some growing pain situations
at the beginning.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
You're trying to work in. You know, somebody uh that.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Brings to the table with Desmond, bring Desmond Bane brings
to the table. There's going to be you know, you're
gonna You're gonna have to figure it out. It feels
like they've settled, you know, outside of you know, whatever's
taking place to night against Boston. Shout out to take
you know, shout out to your Celtics, you know for that.
But it's weird.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Hey, hey, you know here here, no go ahead, JD.
I was gonna say to throw into what you were
talking about with that struggle kind of likens back to
when the Cleveland Cavaliers brought Donovan Mitchell onto that roster
and how long it took before things rounded into form
for us to really take the Cleveland Cavaliers seriously because

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of him being added to that roster.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, and and to that same point, you're anytime you
bring an influx of talent like that and it's going
you know, it's not just going to get it.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
It's very rare.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Rich is to hit the ground run in type scenario.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I still get this weird feeling that Orlando at some
point is going to give us like a sixteen and
four run and differentiate themselves from the pack. But as
long as you stay with the pack while you're figuring
it out, you're you know, you're you're still you're still
close enough to the driver's seat to where you can make,
you know, make some stuff happen.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Before I really dive into my Orlando over analysis, you know,
I'm going to bring up to well, bring up one
point and then you know, I throw a question back
to the both of you. So in the early first
five games of the season, Orlando was like, I think
a bottom third defense. They've already climbed their way back
up to the top six, right, so like their defense
is back to form. What's questionable is that they've done

(38:52):
it McDowell, Paula and Carrol on the roster, you know,
with the with the injury kind of going on here now.
So I'm not into the hyperbolee and are they better
off with Ban Carrow without Ban Carroll? So, but I
do want to ask a question, does there need to
be some role definements that takes place once man Carroll
comes back? And I don't know, like what does that

(39:14):
even really look like at this stage because they are
playing literally better without him at least then they did
to start the season. But does that concern you? Maybe
that's a better question. Does it concern you that they're
playing better and finding their groove now? Without Van Carroll
and Bane and Wagner kind of running things, you know,
the way that they have been JD. I'll kick it
back to you.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
That's a really good question, and I think I mean,
I'm not avoiding it, but I think it really depends
on what the personalities are like in the room. Because
if you've got mature players, if you've got players that
are you know, willing to you know, accept feedback, willing
to make adjustments for the betterment of the team, which
it does seem like that group like Jamal Mosley and

(39:55):
his crew have gotten that group to be I think
you're okay if you have group, if you have a
group with fragile egos, or you have you know where
someone is like still starting. And I'm not claiming that
this is the case. I'm saying if where you have
to worry about, oh, well, you know, him feeling left
out or him feeling like, oh you know, like you
know these guys are certain themselves in my absence, well,

(40:16):
then you obviously have problems that aren't going to be solved,
you know, anytime soon. I personally think from the outside
looking in again, Orlando fans, you're you know, your your
listeners here that Orlando fans could you could answer this
better than you than I could, certainly, But it seems
like they got a close knit a close knit group
that it won't be an issue.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
I don't know, what do you think, cal like, do
you see any issues there?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I don't see. I don't see any I don't want
to say I don't see any issues. I think it
will raise some concerns on what the priority really is
going to be for this team. Like we just finished
having a conversation about the Toronto Raptors and that this
team seems to be gelling together, playing well together. They
don't care really who's top scorer on the team. You know,

(41:02):
there isn't a definitive role of who the guy is.
I think it was very easy last year for us
to say Pollo ban Caro is the guy. Then they
go out and make a trade and they get a
guy like Desmond Bain, who you can make the argument
last couple of years, he could easily been one of
the top scorers per se if he's playing on a
roster on a team that's going to allow him to

(41:24):
eat like that. And here you're looking at an Orlando
Magic team that's struggling offensively, where Desmond Bain could probably
be a better scorer at times than bon Cao, but
bon Caro has shown us he has the total package.
He arguably could have the mismatch on a night in,
night out basis. So I think it comes down to
the priority about where does things balance out. If bon

(41:46):
Caro has to worry more about scoring the basketball than
what he was giving you defensively for the Orlando Magic
that made them a top five defense, that's going to
be a concern because I guarantee you as we get
to the playoffs and everything like that, it's gonna come
down to how well this Orlando Magic team collectively plays
defense and stops the opposing teams better scorers, better players, right,

(42:08):
they will eventually get better to score the basketball. But
I think if they worry more about scoring the basketball,
they will go fall right back into the same trap
that they fell into the very first five six games
of the season, which is trying to search for their offense.
Knowing that you've got two guys who can really do
score the basketball well, and you can flow through those
guys and it can work out as long as they

(42:29):
keep that part of their game together.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, I will. I mean, I'll only I say I
think I sladly disagree because I'm not worried about the
defense because it has bounced back, and I think that
Bain has the ability to Right now, you shooting thirty
two percent from three, which is like, you know, I
think a career low for him. Right now they are
like twenty seventh and three point for shooting, like it's sorry,
twenty first and three point shooting, So not at all
where they wanted to be, although their sixteenth overall and

(42:52):
offensive rating. But the fact that Bain is not played
reasonably well without Ben Caro, that's the rub for me.
I mean, with Ben Carroll, he has not played well
without him. He's starting to find his groove a little
bit and providing the outside touch and shooting that we
thought he was going to kind of seamlessly fit in
here with. So there's levels for Orlando to reach offensively.
I'm not as concerned with the defense as that has

(43:13):
team to have bounced back. You know, Gogo Patazzi's even
playing well for them, you know, in that center spot.
So that's something for me. But I guess my thing
here is like I'm whiskey bows I'm going to talk
my ISHU on Orlando, and I like, this is still
going to be a team that's going to be reckon
with in the Eastern Conference and still be one of
the contenders there. Especially I thinking get everything back, everybody
right and healthy. Do you think I just want to

(43:34):
ask a quick question to the both of you.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Do you think it's the style of play that is
making things a little bit difficult? Because one of the
things that we said in the beginning of the year,
Shaw and I thought would probably be a focal point
is having bond Caro play more of a point forward,
you know, style, and that would kind of open things
up for the Jalen Suggs, for the Desmond Banes, and

(43:59):
for everybody else. And I know that they're really putting
more emphasis on this game, the on the offense really
flowing to like Jalen Suggs being that guy. I'm not
saying he's not capable, and by all accounts he're looking astually.
I was kind of I was a little questionable about
whether Sucks can be the guy. He's obviously proven it.
He definitely needs to be a part of the core
of what's going on. But I just wonder if maybe

(44:20):
that is part of that emphasis sort of speak and
the style of offense being played where if you don't
want bon Caro going nuts on teams on teams, maybe
him playing that point forward and getting guys those opportunities
so they can shoot more better and things of that
nature will help.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I would have to dive more into the advance patistics there,
but you mean, just looking at the raw numbers, they
have like four guys overaging, like Rolfie for assist the game, right,
Ben Carol is one of them, so by Caro sugs
even Bain is into that space, and Walker's just that
let's just blow at three point nine, So they're sharing
the basketball per se, you know, amongst those guys in
terms of the ball distribution, but you need advanced assistants

(44:57):
really kind of see where that lies because they're still like,
you know, in the bottom third when it comes to
actual assists as a team. So it's very very bald dominant.
You don't know how those guys are actually being set
up and you can get those accidental assists like kind
of Russell Westbrook style you know back in the day,
You like, is it really really impactful in the way
that the magic needed to be and I don't. I
just don't have enough information or even though deep enough

(45:18):
to kind of have that level of understanding to me.
And I'll say this last thing, you know, when it
comes to mancro I think this's heard us on the show.
Bon Caroll in a lot of ways is like early
Jason Tatum, you know, with the ball in his hand
and not always really knowing how to distribute it and
get it off. Like I think he's probably a little
bit more advanced than early Jason Tatum because they really
came in as like I want to score and like

(45:39):
pretty much like that's what I want to do. Whont
Carroll is like, oh I can rebound whatever, I can
do a little play creation, but he doesn't have right now.
I think the overall reps trying to find guys and
understand what it means to get people in their proverbial spots.
He's just kind of doing it off raw talent alone
right now. So I don't know if I believe if
I fully buy into a point by Carol type of situation,

(46:01):
but I think there's more levels for him to achieve,
you know, as a playmaker, and I think he will
get there. I think he's that good for for Orlando Magic.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Go ahead, j D, and just one quick thing on
it in a weird way. And if this ties to
you know, like the the personality thing in a weird way,
a guy like Caablo, I feel like he can look
back and see these guys and watch the way that
they're playing for one another and actually look for ways
that he can improve upon when he returns where I

(46:30):
like and look, this could this could totally just be
me projecting, because I like, it's just based on what
I see from him. I don't see him as as
that type of self player that that's worried about, like,
oh I'm getting passed by. I see it as like, Okay,
what can I do to make this even better when
I get back?

Speaker 4 (46:46):
And if you're Orlando, you have to hope that.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, absolutely your tune to the baseline. Calie wants shot.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Our special guest jd our Man Jabar Davids joining us here.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Coming up, Sean I JD.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
We light into the second half of our covided talk
ish or abandoned Ship.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Don't miss it here on the baseline. We're back Cali warn.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Shaw, Special guests Jabari Davis joining us here on the baseline.
Time to continue our conversation talk ish or abandoned ship.
Time for us to move to the West coast out.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
In your neck of the woods.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
J D.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Man, what are we talking about with the Phoenix Sons? Man,
the Phoenix Sons? Who knew? You know?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Listen, by all accounts, everybody had the Phoenix Sons, like
literally like as a as a lottery team. There are
four games above five hundred as we're recording this show, Man,
And I mean, I'm gonna throw it out to I'm
gonna throw it out to Shaw. First, do we continue
to talk ish about the Phoenix Sons being in a
band being an a lottery team, or do we abandon

(48:01):
ship on that sediment?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, I'm big grudgingly going to have to I guess
abandoned ship. You know, sometimes a coach comes along and
is able to figure some stuff out for a team,
and then sometimes teams figure it out with a lack
of expectations. All I even we didn't talk about them,
but like the seventy six Yers, right, like nobody spits

(48:25):
them do anything, and here go they're doing all right.
I think the Suns are doing more than all right.
Right now, jord Or Not seems to know what the
hell he's doing over there in Phoenix. Devin Booker is,
you know, looking like the player we always knew he
is and has shown to be I think at times.
But I think the Beal and Durant years were different,
and now he's more or less like, hey, I'm the

(48:45):
focal point. And then I heard this again. I listened
to a lot of different content. I thought this was
so opropos. We talk a lot of times that coaches
have shelf lives and players do too, or their impacts.
Chris Paul is one of those guys like he's he's
got a sh live and then it kind of runs
its course. Dylan Brooks is starting to become that type
of player, like what he did in Memphis initially and

(49:07):
then what he did in Houston. To some degree, he's
I hate the term cultural center or whatever it is,
but he makes an impact and and and teams for
players seem to ry around some of that too, so
that irritant style gets on other people's nerves. But it's great.
It's galvanizing when you have them on your roster, so
to speak, and they've done all this without Jalen Green,
who's dealing with the hamstring injury and is still you know,

(49:29):
another four or five weeks before he's ultimately going to
be back, and with a center rotation that many of
us laughed at going into the into the season. So
to me, this is all assemblers of how Jordan On
has these guys playing getting contributions across the board as well.
To Grayson, Allen has had a spectacular, spectacular season to date.
So I'm going to abandon ship on the Phoenix Suns
as a lottery team, and I don't know they'll be

(49:51):
this good, but I think they're going to be heard
from it and at least will be a play in
team throughout the course of this regular season. JD, I
kick it to you.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
No, I'm right there with you, and I hate like
I hate it with I like to be able to
say like, nah, I don't know, like you know, I
like to disagree sometimes, But the reality is this the
Phoenix Suns And okay, you know what, I'll disagree with
my earlier take because I one hundred percent had the
Phoenix Suns and the lottery I was I was wondering
what it would look like in the aftermath of you know,
KD and Bradley Beal and quite frankly, sometimes it's a

(50:21):
matter of, you know what, that simply didn't work. And
I'm not saying that they were malcontents, even though we
did see plenty, you know, plenty of evidence that looked
that way, you know, last year. But I will say
is sometimes when you get a certain vibe out of
the mix, things just you know, think things can kind
of clarify, or think you're like, you know, things can
become more clear. I will give Dylan Brooks his props,

(50:43):
and quite frankly, you know what, Memphis fans, y'all just
gonna be mad at me today. Your your organization hasn't
been the same since you skapegoaded him and jettisoned him
the hell up out of there. Your organization has not
been the same since then. You are one hundred percent right.
He is a trend. He is a vibe setter. He
is a guy that you'll, for whatever the reason, when
you play with him, you seem to love them, and

(51:04):
when you play against him, you hate him. And quite frankly,
on my team, I want players like that. I feel
like I need players like that on the Wall and
same thing with the guy with a guy like Grayson Allen,
You're like, look, I'm not talking about guys that I
love you like like as as individual players.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
But they are the type of guys that you want
on your squad. And the Sons have a lot of
those guys that getting your good minutes from everybody that
you mentioned getting good minutes from Ryan dund And like
you said, Jalen Green's only played two games. The Sons
are gonna look all right, you know what. Let me
pivot to you, cal do you think they might actually
be buyers at the deadline given this early success.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, I can see them being buyers. But let me
let me let me.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Thank you, thank you for bringing us venom, Devin venom,
Devin Shaw.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I told you this.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I was like the greatest addition for the Phoenix Suns
with subtract. Stop putting players next to Devin Booker, who
was not accentuating what Chris Paul you know, inoculated in
that boy. That kid is a menace. That kid is
born to score the basketball. He's not born to sit
here and pacify himself to be delivering. Like, yes, Grayson

(52:19):
Allen and all of the complimentary pieces are scoring and
that's helping them. But at the end of the day,
Venin Devon and Dylan the villain is what's setting the
tenor and tone for where the Phoenix Suns are and
I am all here for it, you know what I'm saying,
Because that kind of level of aggressiveness, even if it's
the level of hatred that people speak to, that's what

(52:42):
keeps teams feeling uncomfortable when you play the Phoenix Suns,
you know what I'm saying, And so that to me
is I think is one of the most important things.
This team is quite balanced, and you know, they could
probably play at a faster pace. There's probably a lot
of things that they can do well, and they're leaving
themselves open if they're going to maintain the way that
they're playing. Eventually, if they do get Jalen Green back,

(53:04):
where they can basically look to bring somebody on there.
But you don't bring somebody on there that's going to
styn me what you're getting from this version of Devin Booker.
You're not going to bring someone that's gonna styn me
the contributions that you're getting from Grayson Allen, which you
may possibly get from you know what I'm saying, do
not do something to completely upset the apple cart. But clearly,
as of right now, they are not a lottery team.

(53:26):
This team plays with way too much nasty and too
much tenacity to not be in the conversation of at
least play off definitely above play in level. It's hard
to see this team just completely falling off the rails.
I think there's way too much upside for what you're
getting as long as you're getting this version of what
the Phoenix Suns brings it in.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, again, I'm gonna go back, and I do need
to do some more watching on Jordan Odds's overall schemes
to kind of understand why it's as successful as it is.
I'm probably maybe not as high on them being the
eighth rated offense for the already part of the season.
If they're a top ten offense then, especially in this
you know Juice Ball era of NBA basketball, like that,
you look at the names, it doesn't really make sense, Like,

(54:09):
you know, Booker's open all but Dylan Brooks and Grayson Allen,
you know, Gillespie and like, like come on, bro, like
this an eighth grade at offense. It seems they're fighting
above lay station slightly.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
It's something in the castles, it's something in the cactus water.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, I'm just I don't know that I'm I'm a
little dubious about. But ultimately, this is a team that
we have to put some respect more on their name
because they are doing this at a level that we
did not anticipate. Yeah, and it's fun to watch. It's
fun to be wrong about these types of things. You know,
in somewhere, Matt shud is over there, you know, laughing
at everybody. You know, for whatever that's worth. So shout

(54:44):
out to the Phoenix Suns. Man.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Hey JD Man, I love what you said about the
Memphis Grizzlies organization. You know what I'm saying, being wrong
since they ghosted Dylan Brooks.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
You know what that reminds me of.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Reminds me of what the Memphis Grizzlies did to Tony Allen.
I mean, look, listen, man, they're just some players that
it is worth keeping them, not just quote unquote for
the culture, but it's also for the mindset of the
guys that, you know what I'm saying, you play with
and gravitate to, like some key players don't like the

(55:17):
idea of you offering or moving someone who has had
an impact on their success. It's kind of like being superstitious.
You know what I'm saying, Like, why you messing with
my You know what I'm saying with my with my
Ouiji board. You know what I mean by doing what
you're doing. It's like, I think that what I give
the organization and the team itself, you can at least
give me this, and organizations don't think in that context

(55:38):
until it actually starts impacting them. You know, a month
from now, two months from now, or a season.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I'll say the quiet part and you know what again,
whatever he got jettison from Memphis because they were they
were protecting somebody else. It was easier to point the
finger at him and say like, look what he did.
He did that stupid thing in the game, and that
that's what the real.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
And I was one of guys who was just like, yo, man,
you got to get rid of him if he is
going to be counterintuitive to the overall maturity that the
team needs to be successful.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
You know what I'm saying, And I think this to me.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Is another statement for the Phoenix Suns to say this
team is Devin Booker's team. So if you really buy
into Devin Booker being the guy, stop putting players around
him that he's not gonna vibe with that he can't
help elevate or help elevate him to a degree where
you're seeing what you're seeing on a night in, night out.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Basis, Well, Booker has a lot of similarities to Dylan,
It's just not, as I guess, boisterous but devil. Booker's
gotten under many a player's skin. Yeah, so I can
see a kinship growing there, and then it would kind
of lead me to believe while Jaylen Green has only
been a part of this, Like then if you're having
this little success as you alluded to cl talking about trades,
then do you need him right and is he the

(56:51):
guy that you could potentially try to move to try
to add whatever accelerant on this that you need to.
And Green probably doesn't want to go somewhere where he
can be a pseudo lead, like if you gave if
you swap swap jobs like Jillen Green and put him
in Michael porter junior spot in Brooklyn right now? You
know what I mean again? With health obviously, you know
Jillen greenb like, yes, you know what I mean. Let
me show you all boys what I can really do

(57:11):
if it's my team. Now, obviously he's not leaving any winning,
but Michael Porter is very very happy man right now.
So I think Jillen Green would be in a very
very similar situation if he had a team that can
he can truly captain his own ship.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Can I just say something quickly, This is apropro of
nothing I never want. I've been seeing Lakers folks doing
those mock trades and putting Michael Porter Junior in a
Lakers uniform. Can I just say, shut up, we don't
need stop stop it. If I could roll up a
newspaper right now smack you on the head, That's what
I would do. Get the hell out of here with

(57:45):
that nonsense. Shout out to our guy Tyler. He picked
he picked? Uh uh, his guy Devin the lead score
in this year or yeah, Devin book.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Absolutely twos to the base like Cali Wros George Barry
Davis goes that. But in Topics of the NBA A
All right, let's slide th forward to the Rookie of
the Year conversation in which we were talking about this
was Cooper flags, Roy to lose and boy Man Cooper
making making a tough for a brother to be to

(58:15):
keep talking at this ish Man, I'm telling you right now,
but I'm I'm I'm gonna have you weighing on this,
uh Jabbari, because I think it's interesting that it's is
it more on Cooper flag or is it more on
Jason Kidd and how he is really utilizing Cooper flag.
That is, that's forcing us to abandon our own ship

(58:39):
of us having high praise for this kid. You know
what I'm saying, What are we talking about here with
Cooper flag? Are we raising the white flag on Cooper Flagg?

Speaker 1 (58:47):
No?

Speaker 4 (58:47):
No, definitely not raising the white flag.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
But I what what what I what I will what
I will say?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Is this something Sometimes it's a multiple multiple things can
be true. It's it's a confluence of things. Yes, part
of it is how he's being used. Part of it
is a circumstance, you know, ad not being available, Kyrie
obviously not being available to this point, Ideo like in
the season bringing in de Loo, thinking it he was
going to be like h somewhat of a lead playmaker,
Like we haven't heard that song over and over and

(59:14):
over again. Look, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna shave
d load, you know. Like, but quite frankly, if you're
looking at him to be your primary playmaker, you're not
going to be a very good basketball team. So I
say all of that to say, shout out to you know,
and you know it, shout out to Warren here, because
you know what, you know, he initially was, you know,
very heavy on continentple. You know, like as as his
probable rookie of the year. He may have settled on

(59:35):
somebody else. But you know what, I have selective memory here,
and I'm gonna say I heard him say continentle. But
the reality is this Concinpple. We're giving him all this credit.
He's averaging, you know, seventeen and a half points game,
he's given the horn at six boards, just under three assists.
Even with these circumstances, even with it being looking somewhat
disappointing in the early going with Cooper flag, quite frankly,

(59:57):
he's still giving you fifteen six and three. And what
I personally think is going to take place is it's
going You're like, it's gonna look ugly until it doesn't
and I'm not saying in the second half of the
year he's just start dominating. But I do think that
if you continue to give him these reps, you continue
to put him in these situations, and then they get
a guy like Kyrie Beck, and then they either get
a d Beck or they move him on and they

(01:00:19):
get in some playable talent. I think it's going to
look like it's going to look like what we anticipated.
And quite frankly, I'm gonna stick to my guns. I
think Cooper Flag is going to run away with this
by the end of this and we're going to look
back on these times and say like, oh, well that
was you know, that was a good start for those
other rookies.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
I would tend to agree with you, honestly. You know,
I've gone back and forth. And while I wouldn't say
I'm a Con fan, I think I'm a fan of
his opportunity. And you know, we'll talk about players who
might get moved now, and Con has some by on
his team who might get moved now that could really
open up things for him. So save that happening, you know,
Con should probably be a second or thirty year pick.

(01:00:59):
I mean second or thirty or second or third vote
getter when it comes to rookies, you know, when all
a said and done, However, the guy that I do
think is really interesting and they all they all have
ties to Cooper Flag. You know, Con obviously played with
him at Duke Grek Queen I think played with them
in high school. Derek Queen is hooping and while distorted
despite this, despite New Orleans not knowing what the what

(01:01:20):
the hell they're really doing in terms of an organization,
they know what we gotta play this rookie and he's
going out here and I don't know what comparison you
want to utilize, you know, I don't know if there's
anything like Statistically though he's putting up like you know,
he said, Shangun is baby Yokic, He's now starting to
look like baby Shangho, you know, I think in terms
of what he's able to do, especially with the play
creation and and and just his overall feel for the game. Uh.

(01:01:42):
I like Grek Queen, and I can see why Joe
d did what he did in theory, not to do
it that way, but I understand why they were high
on him in terms of you know, his his overall
you know ceiling as a basketball player. Uh, I'm gonna
stick to my guns. So I think Cooper what we're
seeing now is probably the floor should because of the circumstances,
and you know, as long I know we have rookie

(01:02:03):
walls and all of that. But I think Cooper is
actually going to accelerate into a like especially when he
sees it and has more ELP. I think his numbers
in the efficiency is going to climb in a way
that we're like, all right, well, yeah, this is what
we expected to begin with Viji Edgecombe starting to slack
off just a little bit, you know, even with them beatout.
Paul George is now back, so that's going to impact
his ability to kind of get touches, you know. Jeremiah Fears,

(01:02:27):
I think is you know not he's not really in
the race for this whatever like that too, but he's
on Derek Queen's team. So to me, I think Cooper
are going to go ahead and hold on to this thing.
Ceel your thoughts here A talking issu or abandoned ship
on Cooper flag for your the year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I'm not gonna I'm not going to abandon I'm not
going to abandon ship. But I'm not going to talk yeah, yeah,
but I will say this, I, in a way, from
a conspiracy theory standpoint, am a static that Cooper Flag
is going through the struggles that he's going through while
still being in striking this or if anything's still barely leading, right,

(01:03:02):
because now it is opening up the window for us
to pay attention to all of these rookies, and all
of them are taking the baton and they're running with it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
It's kind of like when you're watching a track meet, right,
and everybody is always paying attention to Jamaica and paying
attention to the United States, and then here comes Barbados,
here comes you know what I'm saying, Netherlands, some team
out of the blue comes out and makes us take notice, Canada,
makes us watch and pay attention to Hey, this class

(01:03:34):
of rookies actually collectively are all in a good position
to see some longevity and be ups and they're be
upsiding contributions. So in a way, while I'm not abandoning
ship on the idea that Cooper Flag will wind up
being the rookie of the year, I love the fact
that the Derek Queens the Konkain, Nipples, the Spheres, all VJ.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Edge Comes, all of them are contributing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
They're getting a window of space for people to pay
attention to them, because I think they're going to be highly, highly,
highly important as we move further into the season. Looking
at in totality how deep this draft class truly is,
and how some of these guys are going to actually
be put in critical situations that's going to help elevate
or probably diminish their teams.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Cal That's a really good point, and I hadn't even
actually thought about it. If Cooper Flags comes out and
he's averaging twenty ten and eight or some or you know,
crazy numbers or whatever. I'm not saying we completely ignore
the other rookies, but I'm certainly not paying attention to
them as much because, like, if they're not playing on
good teams or not playing winning basketball, like I would
just be more of the lines of, well, somebody's got

(01:04:41):
to put up points for those bad teams. And you know,
maybe that's dismissive and wrong on my part, but admit,
I'm admitting to you if Cooper Flag were absolutely dominant,
I would not have I would not be asked tapped
in with the other.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Rookies with with with a lot of the other rookies.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Yeah, And I think the last point for me is
just you know, even a guy I said to Coward
in Memphis. You know, we've talked about a lot about
the Grizzlies here too. He's actually checkond on the NBA's
Rookie of the Ladder right now and somebody who can
I don't want to say be a building block, but
it's obviously even be a big part of the future
in Memphis. And you know, his story is really interesting.
And as somebody whose story is that as interesting as
it is, it's even more so now he's making a

(01:05:19):
run here as a Rookie of the Year candidate, you know,
after being somebody you know, I think he would have
played like six games in college and they were like,
you know what, we're going to take that. So Memphis,
for all the things that get wrong, they do a
decent job scouting guys, you know, now as a matter
can they keep them healthy, you know, and they keep
there on the upper trajectory. But anyway, Cooper flag Man
much more competition than he would have expected I think

(01:05:41):
at this point. But I think versus. Like I said,
I think we're seeing the floor of where he's ultimately
going to be this year. Absolutely all right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
So now our final take for talk is and abandoned
ship is to what you were just alluded to a
few moments ago, Shaw, as far as who do we
think is likely to be moved the biggest name to
be moved? And I'm gonna start with you, JD. Your
your take of that guy that is going to be moved.

(01:06:08):
I know what me I said earlier. I think it
was gonna be Giannis. I am now gonna have to
abandon ship on that. So you you'll have to find
out who that gonna be. But I want to hear
from you on who you think it gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I mean, anybody that's listening to this episode, they could
probably tell I came into the year saying it was
gonna be LaMelo and Giannis. I stand by that. Now
go ahead and throw John to that mix. Matter of fact,
go ahead and throw Zion to that mix. And by
and with those last two. Quite frankly, I think if
they could, if those two, if their respective teams could
get a deal where they're not losing out, and they

(01:06:43):
could and and they can at least set themselves up
for their next move. I think that I think those
moves would be done this year. So is it likely
that all four of those big names are going to
be moved. No, but I do think that there's an
absolute possibility because quite frankly, they should be looking to
all of those names.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
So my pick, you know, not necessarily safe, but I
think it was more logical, And I thought Laurie Marketing
would probably the biggest name that that actually got moved
because of where Utah was. Decent contract can fit in
pretty much any any scheme or system, and it just
seemed like, all right, Utah will finally like this, so
we need we need to totally bought him out. Little

(01:07:22):
did I know, or I didn't know, but just wasn't
take into account that our NBA was going to be
as dramatic that as it is. You know, we're going
to have all the Ja Moran stuff and LaMelo rumor
that I guess he's trying to squash. But now you know,
smoke or fire type of situation, and all the stuff
that happened in New Orleans as well, Like I can
see all of those situations. So I'm going to abandon ship.
You know, I may not have a prediction in terms

(01:07:43):
of who that person will be, but I think a
name bigger than Lauria Marketing is probably most likely going
to be on the move here before the trade deadline,
and that's going to definitely shake up the NBA. And
you know, I think I'd be most interested if it
was LaMelo and Zion. I think Job doesn't have enough
cachet right now, like he's too light in the ass

(01:08:05):
when it comes to a reputation that people would want
to really buy into. I agree with Jabar I said earlier, like, oh,
somebody always kind of convince himself. But Memphis having to
sell pennies on the dollar right now, that I don't
think as an organization they would be willing to do.
They'd rather try to see what they can extrapolate maybe
in the off season. Unless he comes back and looks amazing,
then maybe that's But right now, I think in terms

(01:08:26):
of cachet, some of those other names make a little
bit more sense in terms of teams having interest in
trying to convince themselves to make a move.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
So yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna go on the crazy
side of things just to make it interesting for everybody.
And I'm just gonna probably throw it out there that
if the Memphis Grizzlies are really looking to try and
send a statement with how they want this seem to look,
they may probably move Jaron Jackson Junior before they move
John Morant. I know that they have to wait until January,

(01:08:54):
but I'm telling you this right now, the Memphis Grizzlies
can ill afford to not really think long term about
what they can get as far as assets go, and
Jaren Jackson Junior is probably the best player who is contributing,
who is on the basketball court and arguably has a
better resume to kind of work with other organizations who

(01:09:16):
clearly need a front court player if they're trying to
make a true run. So you know, you can eliminate
some teams that already got their front court set, but
for those that probably would love to get a guy
that can space out shoot the three. It was a
former Defensive Player of the Year, even though you don't
really see that, you know what I'm saying, And as
a guy you could just kind of put in there,
he doesn't really upset the apple cart with with what

(01:09:38):
you probably already have from your back court.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
That kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
You could probably see an organization giving up a lot
more than to be wondering about what they're going to
get if they were to trade for a LaMelo ball
or trade for a Ja Morant. And it's ironic because
I switched from saying Yiannis, which would clearly be like
people are giving up a Kings ransom. I don't think
it's too far fetched if the idea is the price
is right for the Memphis Grizzlies that they move, they

(01:10:04):
strike while the iron's hot on a guy like Jared
Jackson Jr. Not because I don't think Jaron Jackson Junior
is not a great player for Memphis or whatever. But
you can't have him and John Morant on this roster
any longer thinking that something is going to work. And
if you don't know that you're going to plan to
move John Morant, then what are you doing with Jaron
Jackson Jr. If you allow him to continue to struggle

(01:10:25):
with the roster that you currently have structured right now?

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
I think that's an excellent sorry war just for me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
I think it's an extually excellent point on Triple J,
specifically because he is the you would imagine he's the
easier piece to move. I can't disagree with that at all.
Let me ask you this, Warren, because you know I'm
trying to force the issue. Is it possible a LaMelo
for job move works works for both of those teams?

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Possible? I mean I think numbers wise, it does work,
you know, without looking at the trade machine Charles Lee's
appetite to kind of take on you know, one material
point guard for another. Uh, you know, I that'd be interesting,
right I I just I just know. And then even
the injury history is like, all right, well did we

(01:11:13):
really did? We just want problems for each other, you
know ultimately, So I don't know if those two teams
would want to would be would be enticed to make
a move like that, because I think there's like, well
I'd rather keep know the devil ie note type of situation.
But there's all types of you know, names and players
and teams that you know could be interested in, you know,
in something like that. And when it comes to other
players who could be moved, we can't forget about like

(01:11:36):
as a bonus, you know, he could be a big
name that could ultimately get moved as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
The Clippers. Rumor has it that hey, they wouldn't mind
getting out of the COI business. But who who, Who's
gonna do that? I mean, yeah, he has a cachet,
but he also has a cachet of all the baggage
that comes alongside him and having to you know, just
basically throw your franchise and to kind of disarray to

(01:12:02):
accommodate whatever he has got going on and his you know,
Uncle Dennis and the whole nine. But those are all
big names that I think we're going to start to
hear about, which is gonna make this NBA season that
much more interesting because while it might becoming more clear
that Okac is the team to be, like, truly, there
are the teams that's not gonna stop teams from trying
and saying like, all right, well they turn an ankle,

(01:12:24):
you know what, Hey, maybe this could be our year
because the rest of it really is wide open, and
I think some big names are going to start to
fly watch for Miami to get involved.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I was gonna say, do you think do you think
Miami would love to roll the dice in getting them
a job morant on their roster with the pieces that
they have to give potentially to give up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, and so I've I've I've had a lot of
conversations about John Morant and in the early weeks of
this NBA season are our label mate Gerald you know,
said on series like Sam and He's like, oh, what
about atlant I was like, all right, and I'll tell
you the same thing. I said, If John Rann is
having problems in Memphis, do you know what the city
of Atlanta is like? And I was like, So, I

(01:13:10):
was like, I don't know if I would do that.
I live in South Florida, you do know, in the
city of South Florida, and Miami is like, despite all
their branding of culture and the whole nine, I don't
know that that is something that i'd want to take
on if I'm pat Riley and Eric Spolstro and just like,
all right, let me see our culture. Yeah, we can
get him, right, Miami's Miami. There's there's there's all types

(01:13:30):
of stuff to get into. So I don't know about that,
but I think Miami's going to sniff around in terms
of players that might be able to improve their roster.
They have this, ironically, this new Memphis offense that they
instilled last year, and that's how they're scoring a bunch
of points. Everyone sharing the damn basketball. It's it's it's wild.
This season is it is apocalyptic in terms of the
storylines that have come about. And I think all the

(01:13:52):
names that can ultimately move, but Miami will absolutely be
a team that kicks the tires on a couple of
different players. Go ahead, Jr.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Bart funny enough, that was the job side of it
is the reason why I even recommended the Hornets because
it's two hundred miles. It's less thanwo hundred miles from
his hometown. I don't know if that's a good thing
or bad. I'm I'm looking at like, oh, it's got
to be a special situation.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Maybe John needs to go to Utah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Somewhere, like, you know, somewhere like that, Hey, he sent
up to the Pacers.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
He waits, Jarry Wait wait, maybe not stranger things. Yeah,
big facts, big facts. And the last thing I'll say
is that, you know, Houston seems to be doing fine. Uh,
but you know, you can watch that Fred van Vliet situation.
If they feel like they need to do something and
then bring in a point guard, I don't think it'll

(01:14:42):
be a jar or LaMelo type of situation. But you know,
they they might make a move, you know, to try
to solidify their title hopes right now, and they just
try to smooth it over, you know from a pr
lens with Fred Vvliet if need be. But I I
think we are going to be assured that some big
name is going to be moved. It could be any
one of the guys we've spoken about, in addition to

(01:15:04):
maybe some others that we're not even thinking about, especially
coming off to Lucas stuff for last year, like who
knows what's gonna happen in our find NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Absolutely, man and listen, this is this is why I really,
you know, we really enjoy doing this particular show, especially
now this juncture. I think if we waited any longer,
it would have we would have passed on some really
interesting perspective to bring to the table given the climate
and what's been taking place over the last few weeks.
And you know, again we're just barely past the first

(01:15:31):
quarter of the NBA season and already all of this
is taking place. So you know, this has been awesome
altogether because I think it's going to keep our eyes
peel for what's really going to happen. I think by
the time we get to the midway point, we're going
to see how a lot of things you know, shake out. Like,
you know, teams that we potentially are talking about, they're
gonna need to make a move if they want to
continue to maintain or elevate themselves. And then you're going

(01:15:54):
to see the teams who clearly this is their time,
this is their opportunity to really kind of figure out
what can we sell and what can we get in return,
and what can we eventually build from, you know, from
their moving forward what the future is going to look like.
So yeah, man, this is this has been This is
awesome stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I love the energy that we that we brought to
the table in this conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Couldn't agree more. You know, keep an eye on those dates.
Obviously December fifteenth, January fifteenth, contracts get signed, it can
be moved, et cetera, et cetera. Trade rumors will start
to happen obviously ahead of that. But yeah, I think
that's just going to be really interesting. And yeah, one
month into the season, we kind of have a good sense,
right fifteen games, sixteen games like this is reasonably the
identity of the team saving saving injuries, right, and we

(01:16:40):
have talked about some teams into that space, but we
have a good sense. So I think it's a great
time to give us our mulligan or stand own business.
And I think we did anicture of both things, you know,
depending on the topics at hand here, Jabari, anything that
you're working on, Man, plug yourself, brother before we get
up out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Now, I mean, you know, I goes. I'm behind the
scenes on everything. Got a new soccer show coming out
on iHeart called Ain't It Footy? I know, and look
quite frankly, I'm beyond my depth here, but it's a
great it's a great set of guys. I'm back with

(01:17:15):
you know, with Miles Uh. You know, I'll actually leave
it as a surprise for some of the you know,
some of the the other folks that are involved with
the show. Uh cave on stage, you know. Do a
good show with him called not My Best Moment. If
you like comedians, you like real conversations, you like our actors, comedians,
you know, authors, whatever, just great folks, you know it

(01:17:36):
definitely recommend.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
He did his first show with was I not Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
That was the first one that was released, got some
of you know, got Spice Adams coming up, got like,
there's a lot of there, there's a lot of funny. Like,
I'll be honest with you, it might be my favorite
show that I'm doing right now. I mean, obviously outside
of the appearances that I make on this show, and
then all and then obviously shout out to our nineteen guy,
our nineteen ye Know family, Jameson and Luis and the

(01:18:01):
Mixed Company podcast. Love love love working with those guys
behind the scenes, Love representing once again for nineteen Media Group,
and love being back in the mix.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
With you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Absolutely man and as always, man, we love you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
You know what I'm saying, jumping on board with us
and we can't wait for you to get up on
the next go round. Man, you know what I'm saying.
That's that's that's how family rolls.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Baby. You know what I'm saying. You gotta wait for
you gotta wait for the holidays, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Funny enough, Absolutely, So, we like to thank each and
every single one of y'all for hopping on board with
us this week for the Baseline Calie one show and
our special guests Jabari Davis, our brother Jay d. Once again,
we appreciate you guys, each and every single one of you,
and we'll catch up with you next time.

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