December 3, 2025 • 33 mins
In this breaking news episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr discuss Brian Hartline leaving for USF. What will the Buckeyes do without him, when will he be leaving, what happens to the recruits and current players? The fellas talk about all of this and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom. How's it going, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Tony, it is an eventful day. We knew it was
going to be an eventful day when the day started,
because of course you have, Hey, there's a big Den
Championship game on deck, and there's signing day, and so
we knew it was gonna be busy. We had a
couple of press conferences already planned and we'll be there.
We're gonna have to cut this and you know, thirty
minutes or so, because we're gonna have to go do
that and just a little bit. But then some other
(00:32):
news broke and this is not a complete shock by
any means, but you know, the timing for Ohio State
is probably not ideal.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, the reports now Brian Hartline headed to USF University
of South Florida to be their head coach. It looks
like a six year deal. He will stick with Ohio
State through the playoffs. I reached out to Ohio State.
They're not confirming anything at this point, but we will
talk with Ryan Day at twelve pm where the press
the press con was going to be about recruiting will
(01:02):
now be about this, And we're scheduled to talk with
Ryan Day for fifteen minutes and then Mark Pantoni for
fifteen minutes, and even Mark Pantoni's probably going to get
some Brian Hartline questions after this. Maybe we should just
get Brian Hartline for fifteen minutes as well. But it
looks like the inevitable is upon us. Ohio State could
not keep Brian Hartline forever. And I feel like this
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is something we have talked about on one of the
shows in the since Alex Goulish went to Auburn where
it's like Brian Hartline played with the Dolphins, spent a
lot of time in that area. He's recruited that area
very very well. USF certainly very well aware of him,
and I bet they feel like this is a home
run for them.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh absolutely, And this is a home run for them.
His name has gotten linked to a bunch of jobs
this cycle, and you know, there was the whole thing
about Penn State, and it's like, that's not like they're
not hiring a guy who's been a coordinator for one
year to coach Penn State. Now, Lord knows who they're
going to hire to coach Penn State. But that's a
whole set, that's a separate show. Tony. The come State
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thing was kind of like, no, that doesn't make sense
from that perspective. His name got floated for Kentucky yesterday.
That was seemingly always going to be will Stein And
can I give you my hottest take your way better
off being the USF head coach than the Kentucky head coach.
The Kentucky head coach is the only school in the
SEC where football is not the primary sport. You are
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never going to have the resources compete at Kentucky in
the modern anil era. That is a dead end job. USF.
USF is on the come up, Like everyone sort of
remembers the Matt grothey kind of era at USF and
the late two thousands and then they just kind of
went away and they didn't invest in football the way
that UCF did, and UCF took significant steps ahead of them.
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Now they're investing in football. They are in the process
of building a new on campus stadium, and they've I
think they've got an indoor facility now. You know, these
are like basic things that programs like for years and
years and years, USF was just kind of like coasting.
Then they looked at UCF and went, oh, crop and
they're like very quickly trying to catch up. But you're
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gonna have decent resources there compared to your peers. And
can I make another hot take, Brian Hartline is not
the head coach of USF in six years. I think
Brian Hartline, at the position he's in, this is a
job where you can be there two three years and
then you can parlay that into a better job, and
you know he could. He is someone, this is a job.
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This is a move today that makes it more likely
to me that Brian Day or that Brian Hartline is
the head coach at Ohio State at some point in
the future, because you know, I, you know, I don't
think I don't think anyone is chasing Brian Day out
of town right now, but it's you know, Brian Day
will not coach Ohio State until the heat death of
the universe, and at some point this makes it more
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likely that Brian Hartline is on a track where he
becomes potentially, you know, in that very high on that
list in the future. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I want to address this comment from When Stars Aligned
announcing on signing day is just wrong. Nobody has announced this.
This is this is reporting. This is the reporters breaking
it and putting it out there. Right. Hartline's not trying
to put it out there. USF's not trying to put
it out there. Ohio State's not trying to put it
out there. This is just eventually news like this is
going to break. This is Pete Damil ross Allinger Matazine.
(04:28):
It's all all of the college football reporters that are
tied into all of the agents. They are the ones
that break these things. And this one is, you know
now breaking it on signing day, fifteen minutes twenty thirty
minutes before Chris Henry is set to sign is an
interesting situation. Chris Henry's his school signing day celebration ceremony
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was supposed is supposed to be at seven to thirty
Pacific ten thirty Eastern. I believe we'll see what happens there.
He has said that as long as Brian Hartline was
at Ohio State, he would be at Ohio State. I
don't see him going to USF. The the rumor the
is Oregon. Perhaps we've already seen Caden Dixon Wyatt flip
from Ohio State to USC, So I do wonder I
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would assume he is. He told his guys that he's leaving.
We have seen ten years ago, Tom.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's right. Whatever, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that was not
the right You know, that was one at the time
that everyone thought like Mike Weber really got done dirty
because Stan Drayton was the Ohio State running backs coach.
Mike Weber signed on signing day, you know, a tough
decision between Ohio State and Michigan. He signs on signing
date and the next day Stand Drayton leaves to go
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be the running backs coach for the Chicago Bears. So
you know, this is one where you don't want to
trick people into signing with you. I'm guessing, you know,
I'm guessing that this was something that got communicated to
some of these guys at the point where it was
maybe going to be able to be communicated to them.
But the you know, this this breaking on signing day.
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You know, you don't want to be in the position
where this happens two days from now and then guys
are asking to get let out of their letters off
intend if if they want to go somewhere else. They're
going to go somewhere else. I do think. I mean,
I see there's like four thousand different questions, uh that
people are asking in the chat. The first one that
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I'm seeing is about who's going to call plays in
the playoffs. It's gonna be Brian Hartline. That's gonna be
Brian Hartline. That's not a you know, that's that's not
going to change. And you know who's going to be
the new wide receivers coach? My guest, Tony is the
current the next Ohio state wide receivers coach is already
on the Ohio State coaching staff and is also renowned
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as a bright up and coming young mind and recruiter.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I'm gonna assume it's going to be Keenan Bailey. At
this point, we know that Devin Jory is the assistant
receivers coach. I do wonder if he might go with
heartline now he is a he is an Ohio State
alum Devin Jordan or is he is he? Is he
the new tight ends coach? Or do you need that
tight ends coach position to fill in your OC? Or
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is Keenan Bailey who is the co OC? Your new
OC and play caller, and you've got Ryan Day. There
so a lot of things that still need to be
fleshed out, and we can take this super chat from
Mike Freno. With the portal, I don't think when the
announcement became really mattered. If recruits wanted to leave because
of this, they can just transferred three weeks anyway, exactly right,
there's you can't you can't trick anybody into signing. Aha,
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now you're stuck here. There's no stuck anymore in terms
of the portal though, I also think this now opens
Ohio State to bringing in receivers through the portal because
with Brian Hartline that was never something that he did.
So I'm not saying this is this is good news
for Ohio State. I'm saying what you may may lack
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in some recruiting and receiver and I don't know that
you will lack, but you can back phill like they
do everywhere else, like they've done a quarterback several times,
like they've done at other positions, are running back, and
you don't just need to rely on the recruiting for
the for the wide receivers anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, and this is also you know, Brian Hartlin is
the offensive coordinator this year. This is not the Brian
Hartline offense. This is Brian Hartline sitting in the booth
with a headset on calling the Ryan Day offense. So
I don't think, you know, in terms of like, guess
what Julian saying is probably not going to us F
and Jeremiah Smith is probably not going to us F,
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and you're gonna have another you know, Keenan Bailey is
extremely well regarded in coaching circles, and you know this
is this is not going to be uh, you know,
the the wide receiver equivalent of well we fired legendary
coach and we replaced him with a guy off the street.
(08:58):
You know this is this is not a Nix Siliano
situation where it's like, oh, well we got we got
to get someone, and well this guy makes copies pretty well. Like, no,
they've got they have like a very capable, very well
regarded coaches on staff that I think, you know, I
think this is I'm guessing. You know, I don't know
the timing and this specific position if Ryan Day was
anticipating this, but this is not like, oh my gosh,
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there's not a plan for this at all, Like we've
talked about this plan on this show. We've talked about
this job as a potential place for him on this show.
Like this is not something that's catching Ohio State by surprise.
They I'm sure have a okay, you know, as you said,
Keenan Bailey get promoted to co OC before this season,
What does that tell you about where Keenan Bailey may be? Like, congratulations,
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everyone take one step to the left and it's on
the next year. Basically what I would guess.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, Frian Day has not been preparing for this and
he's not been paying attention, so I would I think
Ohio State is in a much better position now to
handle this move then than they have been in the past.
So like years prior, you're like, boy, how are they
going to handle this? And now it's like, I think
this is going to be as painless as it could
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have ever been. Is it gonna be paid free? No,
But you are coming off of a national championship. You
you presumably will have Jeremiah Smith for one more year
next year and then he's off. Like You've got all
of the people that have been with Ryan Day, that
have been with Brian Hartline, presumably taking his role in this.
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And you've created this wide receiver you persona that certainly
Brian Hartline will take with them and then try to
establish at USF. But you see all of the guys
in the NFL touting Ohio State, and the receivers are
Jackson Smith and Jig Buta just the latest. And so
you've kind of built in a foundation that will do
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some of your recruiting for you. The super chef from
Big Daddy Gahannah, who do we lose? Just just say
you know, Big Daddy, you are banned for a one
super chat based on the the super chat from the
postgame at Michigan. We will not answer this. No, it's
it'll be interesting to see who they lose. But again,
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you still have time to recover and get through the portal.
But they have lost Kaiden Dixon. Why I at this point,
I am not expecting Chris Henry Junior to sign with
Ohio State. Now I have no information on that, yeah,
other than the fact that his biggest tie to Ohio
State always seemed to be Brian Hartline.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, and I think and you know that was sort
of what he pegged this too, was as long as
Brian Heartland's there, I'm signing with Ohio States. Now Brian
Hartlin's not there, So now it's at least more of
an open conversation. And you know, I'm not going to
pretend to have you know, like, oh, good, good news.
I have his house bugged, so I know exactly what
they're saying this morning, Like, no, we don't know, but yeah,
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I think I think that's a little bit of an
open conversation. Brock Boyd is already into the class one
of the wide receivers. Jaden Ricketts is already into the
as Kaden Dixon. Why it went to USC So you know,
we'll see where what happens with Chris Henry and then
Jeremiah Smith. I'm not expecting Jeremiah Smith to leave. I
think Jeremiah Smith knows that he is, you know, in
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a very good situation right now, and has a very
good quarterback and a very good offense, and is getting
trained extremely well and probably knows knows Kingdon Bailey very well.
And again, assuming he's the guy, but I would be
very surprised if he left. I'd be surprised if Brandon
Innis left. You know, guys further down the depth chart.
I saw some someone asking, like Milon Graham Quincy Porter, like,
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I don't. I mean, I don't know, we will that
that's that's something that those guys have probably not even
thought about yet. And when you have younger guys who
are you know, maybe in a couple, a couple of
years in and they're not as high on the depth
chart as they want to be, those are guys that
transfer out sometimes anyway. So you know, we'll we'll see
anything we anything we say right now is purely conjecture
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and probably not helpful. So yeah, I don't. I don't
expect Jeremiah Smith to go anywhere. I don't expect Brandon
in Is to go anywhere. Like guys who guys who
have been here and established and are one year way,
there's no reason to leave. You're not going to us F.
So yeah, I don't. I don't think that that's a
I don't think that's anything you really need to worry about.
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Mike says, I'm surprised he took the USF job. I
really thought he thought he had to. He'd wait for
a P four team to offer him again. I think,
you know, would you rather be at USF or would
you rather be at West Virginia? Would you rather? I mean,
he interviewed at West Virginia last year? Would you rather
be at us F or West Virginia? To me, that's
not even like, that's not even worth the conversation. You'd
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rather be at us F. Us F is in a
spot where they are in a position to win conference championships,
get into the College Football Playoff. They've got, they're sinking
a bunch of resources into the program, and that's honestly,
that's that's like the number one thing you're looking for
right now. Where are they taking football serious? And where
are they kind of coasting off of, you know, the
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vapors of what happened thirty years ago. And you know
I said this earlier. I would much rather be the
head coach at us F and Kentucky by a million miles. Kentucky,
like you're going to get more money now, but that
program is I mean, well we'll see what will Stein
does there, but I think what Kentucky is going to
be like, congratulations, you're in the Music City Bowl again,
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Like that's amazing, well done, and like that's fine there,
but that's not like if you have long term ambitions
of moving up in the sport. I think you can
parlay the USF job in a couple of years into
a much better job than Kentucky. And this is this
is I think some pretty decent long term you know,
I think Brian Brian Hartline probably played the long game
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here a little bit, and you know, has some pretty
good connections in coaching, probably talked. I'm going to guess
he talked to Brian Day about where he might want
to go, I think, and I guess he talked to
Urban Meyer about where he might want to go. And
I think he landed in a spot that makes a
heck of a lot of sense for him.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, Urban Meyer is going to tell you go somewhere
where you can recruit well. South Florida. It's not just
the University of It is also the hotbed of recruiting.
And I think USF you have a better opportunity to
use that as a stepping stone than UCLA. And UCLA
is a major, near blue blood kind of program. But
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can you win there consistently enough to then go somewhere else?
And I think at USF you certainly can, and you
can make the playoffs while you do it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
The campus of the University of South Florida to IMG
Academy is one hour and six minutes fifty four point
eight miles. You don't have that in Kentucky, sorry, And
if you do, they're going to spend the money on
basketball there. So don't like that. Again, that is the
one school in the SEC outside of maybe Arkansas now
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maybe where they're going to spend more money on basketball
than they are on football. And so you you do
not want to be the only one who is a
second class citizen inside their own program. Super teff from
Jordan Kapler. Shame on Heartline for not waiting until after
the championship celebration like any good upstanding gentleman would do. Listen,
There's no good way to leave, you know. Here's I
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think this has been one of the big takeaways from
this cycle. There are lots of ways that you can
leave a program, and no one's ever like super thrilled.
I've seen a lot of like good for Brian Hartline.
Congratulations from Brian Hartline, which is that is the correct
response here, Like Brian Hartline worked extremely hard at Ohio
State and worked built Ohio State into something it was
not before Brian Hartline got there, but he's now you know,
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this is a great opportunity for him. He's moving, you know,
moving on. There is a way to do this, and
this is the way that Brian Hartlin's doing it, and
it's the way that you know, Will Stein is doing
it at Oregon and lots of these other coaches. Alex
Golish I think is maybe still coaching USF and maybe not.
It was like all the guys in the American who
you're still in the playoff hunt, they're all staying and
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they're all coaching their teams out and there's a way
not to do it anyway LSU. So yeah, no, this
is like, this is not something where anyone should have
any ill will towards Brian Hartline, Like this is a
great opportunity for Brian Hartline. Brian Hartline has been incredible
for Ohio State and the program and the position and
the offense and there's place in the sport and what
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people think about Ohio State football, Like people did not
think Ohio State wide receiver you before Brian Hartline took over,
Like it was like, yeah, they had some good wide
receivers and then Brian Hartlin took over and then it
was like, oh oh wow, like this is the place
where you go to be a top ten wide receiver
in the NFL. That's Brian Hartline's doing. And you know,
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your emotion right now should be gratitude and happiness for him,
and like congratulations and best of luck. And you know,
now USF is our you know, second favorite or third
favorite or whatever team like that, that should be your react,
I think, and.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I just for those of that are joining late, he
is planning on staying through the playoffs, so he's not
going to be leaving anybody high and dry in case
you're wondering that. And let's also remember the way Brian
Hartline started, which was walking on as a coach and
helping the Ohio State scout team in preparation for the
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twenty sixteen game against Clemson. Now Ohio State was shut out,
so you could say, you know, how much did you
help me? He was working as a wide receiver for
the scout team preparing them for Clemson. That was his
first foray into coaching. It was just I think Bobby
Carpenter said why don't you come on and check it out?
And he did, and then Urban Meyer was like, why
don't you come back in the spring and be a
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volunteer here, We'll see what we can find for you.
And he did and he never left until now, and
so he gave to eight seasons plus of time to
Ohio State. And for about the last three or four seasons,
everybody's been like, is this going to be the last season?
How much longer are they going to be able to
keep him? So I think you got him for about
as long as you can hope, and so now it's
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okay to wish him well. And I think everybody everybody
has been super chat for Mike Friedo. I have to
think Bryson Rodgers transfers out would almost certainly be wide
receiver one at USF next year. It doesn't seem to
be in line to be a starter here, Tom. I
would say Brian Hartline is the same coach that has
been playing Bryson Rogers sparingly. And Brian Hartline is the
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same receivers coach that Bryson Rodgers transferred out from a
year ago. So I don't know that he's going to
be super fired up to follow Brian Hartline somewhere now.
Clearly he'd be in line closer in line to play.
But I do wonder how quickly some of these guys
that aren't playing people are thinking, Oh, they're just going
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to follow Brian Hartline. I don't know that that's true.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, I don't know that that's true. I mean, Bryson
Rodgers is from Zephyr Hills, Florida, which is like half
an hour from Tampa. So it's you know, this is
right back in his backyard. You know, Colonel Tate is
going after this season, So does that mean you know
that would certainly open up a spot in the you know,
outside receiver rotation for for Bryce and Rogers who you
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know this is? This is one of these impossible things
like could he leave and go back and go play
with Heartline? Because you know he he left and then
he came back to play for heart Line again, So
does you know does the Obviously the depth chart at
us F at wide receiver is probably not as difficult
to crack as the depth chart at Ohio State at
wide receiver. So could you see it? Sure? Is it
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a guarantee? No, but you know, sure it's a it's
a it's a possibility. Super chat from hang On, too
many super chats not a problem. Mike Freno says, apparently
Chris Henry Junior is delaying his announcement. Not sure if
that benefits Ohio State or hurts It allows Data try
and defence him to State, but also allows other schools
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to get in his ear. You know, I don't think
that's bad for Ohio State. I think it's now you
can have the you know, the same conversation we just had, like, yeah,
you also Keenan Bailey. Even before Keenan Bailey was one
of the ten countable assistants, back when that was the thing,
you still heard like corneld Tate talked a bunch about
Keenan Bailey when he was being recruited and Keenan Bailey
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was not one of the like major coaches. Keenan Bailey
is a great recruiter. Keenan Bailey is well thought of
in the business. Again, we're we're assuming that that's what's
going to happen, that they'll move Keenan Bailey over to
wide receivers coach. But all the stuff that about Ohio
State that was, you know, there's a lot that Ohio
State has going for it that isn't Brian Hartline, you know,
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it is the defending national champions, the current number one
team in the nation, a team with an incredible quarterback
and a team with an incredible history of developing quarterbacks.
And you know this is this is an offense that
is going to make you very productive as a wide receiver.
This is you know, You've You've seen Marvin Harrison get
drafted high. You've seen you know, Chris Alave and Jamison
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Williams and Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith and Jig I
mean just on and on and on, and yeah, Brian
Hartland was a common thread there, but you know they
were also guys who were immensely productive in this offense.
So I think that there's a lot going for you.
You know, you want to stack up the Ohio state
wide receiver production production over the last fifteen twenty years
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with the Oregon wide receiver production, Like, I don't think
that's a particularly hard case for Ryan day make. And
Oregon is also losing its offensive coordinator to a head
coaching job east of the Mississippi this year, So you know,
I don't know that that's I know that I look
at that and go like, oh, yeah, well, now Oregon's
definitely the better choice because I think there's you know,
I think there's a lot that we'll go into that
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beyond just you know, Brian Hartlin left and therefore Ohio
State has no chance.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I don't see this as being detrimental to Ohio State.
I think this is just take a step back, talk
with Ohio State, see what the offer is, all of
that good stuff, because that is all part of it
as well, and just say what what is the plan
moving forward? If you can let me know what the
plan is moving forward that way, I've got some sort
of an idea. I think the worst thing for our
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high state would have been him just saying, well, I'm
going to just go with Oregon now rather than trying
to get more information out of Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, Murphy Seraphino says, not sure
if you guys hitten us already, But chances Chip Kelly
comes back. I mean it's certainly a possibility because he's
obviously on the on the open market right now. And
you know, we can certainly ask Brian Day about that
in about an hour and ten minutes. But you know,
it's it's it's a possibility, certainly. I think though you're probably.
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I think there's a decent possibility Keenan Bailey is at
least in a more direct role in that. I think
there's I think you're going to hear the name Keenan
Bailey a lot over the next day or so. And
I would guess, as we said earlier, I'm pretty sure
Ryan Day has a plan already. And Ryan Day, you know,
Ryan Day is not looking to bring in some hot
shot out. I'd play caller, like, you know, someone to
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come in and install his offense, Like, nah, he's good,
He's got his offense. He needs someone to come in
and call it. And I think there's a real possibility
that's Keenan Bailey next year.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I and he elevated him to COOC before this season.
I think in preparation for this, he's been at Ohio State.
Keenan Bailey longer than Ryan Day has to give you
an idea. So he's been around, he's done everything, he's
seen everything, he's been preparing for this. I don't know
that's going to be him. I think that would be
my That would be my first guess as to what
happens there.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
NBA fan seven eighty fours his heartline should have waited
a year, needs to develop more as a play caller.
This doesn't optimally position him for the Ohio State job
when Day leaves in seven to ten years. Freeman and
Fable clear him easily. I mean there's there are a
lot of assumptions there, and I don't know that I
necessarily directly agree with any of them. I mean, needs
to develop more as a play caller. Well, what kind
of head coach is he going to be? Is he
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going to bring in a couple guys? Or is he
going to try and run the Brian Heartline offense? And
what is the Brian hertline just the Ryan Day offense
with some Brian Hartline twists? Or are you going to
bring in someone who's going to run their own offense.
We don't know that this is an optimally position him
for the Ohio's date job when Brian Day leaves in
seven to ten years. Ryan Dy could leave in two
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years to go be the head coach of I don't know,
the Chiefs or something, or he could he could be
here for twenty more years. You don't like, what's the
what is the timetable they are based on? And I
don't think the answer is anything you know, I mean,
are you trying to time it on when his kids
are going to graduate high school? Like? Yeah, maybe I guess,
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but I don't know that I'm assuming anything there. And
Marcus Freeman and Mike Crable c you know, clear him easily?
Is the thought there right now? Sure? What does Marcus
Freeman look like in between two and twenty years? What
does Mike Crabel look like in between two and twenty years?
You know, what is any George doing in between two
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and twenty years? There's a lot lot of possibilities, And
you know, we're naming lots of people who were former
Ohio State football players. Ryan Day had no previous ties
to the Ohio State football team and has done just fine.
And so I don't ye, I think there's a lot
of assumptions based in there that I don't necessarily think
are you know, one totally grounded in fact? And you know,
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I think USF We've said this earlier, like USF is
a job that this may not directly position you for
the Ohio State job, this positions you incredibly well for
the job that then positions you will for the Ohio
State job.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And not only Ryan Day had no direct connection to
Ohio State other than connection to Urban Maria. Like, he
was never a head coach, so you don't necessarily have
to go somewhere to be a head coach to then
become Ohio State's head coach. They made Groom James Lornidis
to be the next guy and just say, hey, so
you know, you don't need to go anywhere, you can
stay here. I don't know, going now just gets the
(26:59):
process started. Now, I don't think it impacts I don't
think it takes away the opportunity. And again we've sent
Tom send this for years and then there was this
little crack and it's like, well, maybe, but I don't
ever see Mike Frable at Ohio State and Marcus Freeman. Again,
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he's at a place he never needs to leave, and
he's perfectly finely, doing very very well at Notre Dame. Now,
if they go a few years of being left out
of the playoffs, left out of the playoffs because they
they're not in a conference, then maybe he will revisit it,
but Notre Dame may revisit it before then. But yeah,
I'm with you, I don't think this impacts takes him
out of the running in any way, because all of
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this is just about timing, and you have no idea
when that timing is. Ryan Day being Ohio State's head
coach was two ships passing in the wind and they
happen to be at the right spot at the right time,
or else he'd be. You know, he could have taken
a Mississippi State job, and where would things be now. So, yeah,
(28:05):
you can't plan for these things because you don't control
You only control yourself. There's so many other factors, you
being almost the least of them.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, and you know, as far as the idea that
he's like clearly going to be behind Marcus Freeman and
Mike Vrabel if we had been having this conversation three
years ago, the guy who would have been the absolute
hottest name tied to Ohio State without a question, not
even a conversation, would be Luke Fickle. So sometimes things change,
(28:36):
and sometimes trajectories change for the better or the worse.
So I really would caution against making any like hard
and fast, like well, five years from now, we all
know what we don't know anything about five years from now.
In college football, three years ago, I tell you that
the Indiana Hoosiers are the number two team in the
country and facing Ohio State for number one and a
(28:57):
spot in the College Football Playoff. And they made the
college Football Playoff last year, and they did it with
the guy who is coaching, James Madison, and you go
who and yep, yeah, so here we are Vanderbilt fringe
college football playoff contender this year.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
If that situation, if that is proposed to you, is
your first thought, My god, what happened to the southeast
of the United States? Is everything? Okay?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
What took them out?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Did the Thanos thing happen? I thought that was just
a movie, Yes, Peter, I wanted to know if they
call on Chip Kelly. It would not surprise me if
you had Chip Kelly involved in some way, you know,
in the building, watching film or you know whatever. He's
not going to be the guy during the playoff who's
like up in the booth calling the players. That is
going to continue to be Brian Hartline. That's been made
(29:45):
pretty clear at this point. But you know, chip Kelly
having some kind of a role moving forward, Yeah, sure possible.
Could he be the OC next year? Yeah, sure possible,
But we'll see. I do want to hit a couple
from one of our sources in the Sunshine State said,
this is this is someone who knows Florida and the
(30:07):
Florida sports scene pretty well, said, Heartline will own South
Florida recruiting with the South Florida Express in South Florida,
he will win quickly there. I give him three years
and he's been knocking on the door at Ohio State
in Miami. And then brought up the point that I
brought up earlier. The usf has put a bunch of
money into new stadium upgrades that just I think got
(30:27):
a just got a new indoor practice facility. Which think
about the fact that they were in Tampa where it
gets like scorchingly hot and or rains constantly during the
spring and summer and fall, and they didn't have an
indoor facility. So yeah, this is part of this is
part of.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
That whole thing with the SFE, with the South Florida
Express seven on seven stuff. You already know they're having
us f E merchandise oh put together, right uh huh.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
And you know, I think this is this is what
you should uh, this is what you should be saying
right now. Heartland did an awesome job, the greatest the
Black guys have always had good to great receivers. We
will have more congratulations at heartline, Like if you were
an a House Day fan, that should be the attitude
right now towards this news, because you were not going
to keep him forever, Like you don't have guys who
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were up and coming, ambitious people like you know, he
always said like oh you know, no, you know, not
really interested in in a head coaching job. But then
he kept going out and interviewing for head coaching jobs.
And it's like, well, like we kept telling you, like
I don't think this is going to be the one.
But if he's out doing this, he's not doing this
just for you know, the joy of Morgan, you know,
(31:40):
experiencing Morgantown, West Virginia. Like you're you're doing this for
a reason.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So I think this one up there for you.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I see that. I can't read it, Tony, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Former Coastal Carolina head coach Tim Beck can't believe that
one didn't work out anyway. Uh yeah it was. Yeah.
How did his last game go? Was it good? Was
it amazing? It was at Ohio State. I feel like
(32:07):
they scored many touchdown Ohio State. Was that he called
was really a fantastic one Curtis Samuel against Michigan. What
happened after that? No points, I can tell you that.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So there you go. I want to thank all nearly
twelve hundred of you on the line, but we do
have to run. We've got a press conference to get
you with Ryan Day on about what's supposed to be
about signing Day.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
From Brian Dawes real quick, sorry if I already already asked,
do we have a timeline for departure after the season
like he's going to be He's going to stay with
Ohio State through the season, continue to call plays as
an offensive coortator. That is the understanding right now. Again,
we'll talk to Brian Day in an hour, so go
ahead and clear your calendars for noon. I'm going to
guess that's going to be a very different press conference
(32:54):
than it was when Ohio State decided we're going to
do a noon press conference on Wednesday just to talk
about signing Day. What what else could there possibly be
to talk about Tony?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yes, well, we will be talking about all of it,
and we'll be doing at YouTube dot com slash Bucke Huddle,
which is where you are right now, if you're watching
and of course the Buckeye Weekly podcast. You can find
it on all of your audio podcast platforms and as
well as Tom's Buckeyes Tomorrow morning, and you can find
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sayalo to us there, we'd love to talk to you.
That will do it from here. Thank you all for
(33:23):
tuning in and we will talk to you all later
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom. How's it going, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Tony, it is an eventful day. We knew it was
going to be an eventful day when the day started,
because of course you have, Hey, there's a big Den
Championship game on deck, and there's signing day, and so
we knew it was gonna be busy. We had a
couple of press conferences already planned and we'll be there.
We're gonna have to cut this and you know, thirty
minutes or so, because we're gonna have to go do
that and just a little bit. But then some other
(00:32):
news broke and this is not a complete shock by
any means, but you know, the timing for Ohio State
is probably not ideal.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, the reports now Brian Hartline headed to USF University
of South Florida to be their head coach. It looks
like a six year deal. He will stick with Ohio
State through the playoffs. I reached out to Ohio State.
They're not confirming anything at this point, but we will
talk with Ryan Day at twelve pm where the press
the press con was going to be about recruiting will
(01:02):
now be about this, And we're scheduled to talk with
Ryan Day for fifteen minutes and then Mark Pantoni for
fifteen minutes, and even Mark Pantoni's probably going to get
some Brian Hartline questions after this. Maybe we should just
get Brian Hartline for fifteen minutes as well. But it
looks like the inevitable is upon us. Ohio State could
not keep Brian Hartline forever. And I feel like this
(01:24):
is something we have talked about on one of the
shows in the since Alex Goulish went to Auburn where
it's like Brian Hartline played with the Dolphins, spent a
lot of time in that area. He's recruited that area
very very well. USF certainly very well aware of him,
and I bet they feel like this is a home
run for them.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh absolutely, And this is a home run for them.
His name has gotten linked to a bunch of jobs
this cycle, and you know, there was the whole thing
about Penn State, and it's like, that's not like they're
not hiring a guy who's been a coordinator for one
year to coach Penn State. Now, Lord knows who they're
going to hire to coach Penn State. But that's a
whole set, that's a separate show. Tony. The come State
(02:06):
thing was kind of like, no, that doesn't make sense
from that perspective. His name got floated for Kentucky yesterday.
That was seemingly always going to be will Stein And
can I give you my hottest take your way better
off being the USF head coach than the Kentucky head coach.
The Kentucky head coach is the only school in the
SEC where football is not the primary sport. You are
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never going to have the resources compete at Kentucky in
the modern anil era. That is a dead end job. USF.
USF is on the come up, Like everyone sort of
remembers the Matt grothey kind of era at USF and
the late two thousands and then they just kind of
went away and they didn't invest in football the way
that UCF did, and UCF took significant steps ahead of them.
(02:52):
Now they're investing in football. They are in the process
of building a new on campus stadium, and they've I
think they've got an indoor facility now. You know, these
are like basic things that programs like for years and
years and years, USF was just kind of like coasting.
Then they looked at UCF and went, oh, crop and
they're like very quickly trying to catch up. But you're
(03:13):
gonna have decent resources there compared to your peers. And
can I make another hot take, Brian Hartline is not
the head coach of USF in six years. I think
Brian Hartline, at the position he's in, this is a
job where you can be there two three years and
then you can parlay that into a better job, and
you know he could. He is someone, this is a job.
(03:35):
This is a move today that makes it more likely
to me that Brian Day or that Brian Hartline is
the head coach at Ohio State at some point in
the future, because you know, I, you know, I don't
think I don't think anyone is chasing Brian Day out
of town right now, but it's you know, Brian Day
will not coach Ohio State until the heat death of
the universe, and at some point this makes it more
(03:57):
likely that Brian Hartline is on a track where he
becomes potentially, you know, in that very high on that
list in the future. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I want to address this comment from When Stars Aligned
announcing on signing day is just wrong. Nobody has announced this.
This is this is reporting. This is the reporters breaking
it and putting it out there. Right. Hartline's not trying
to put it out there. USF's not trying to put
it out there. Ohio State's not trying to put it
out there. This is just eventually news like this is
going to break. This is Pete Damil ross Allinger Matazine.
(04:28):
It's all all of the college football reporters that are
tied into all of the agents. They are the ones
that break these things. And this one is, you know
now breaking it on signing day, fifteen minutes twenty thirty
minutes before Chris Henry is set to sign is an
interesting situation. Chris Henry's his school signing day celebration ceremony
(04:52):
was supposed is supposed to be at seven to thirty
Pacific ten thirty Eastern. I believe we'll see what happens there.
He has said that as long as Brian Hartline was
at Ohio State, he would be at Ohio State. I
don't see him going to USF. The the rumor the
is Oregon. Perhaps we've already seen Caden Dixon Wyatt flip
from Ohio State to USC, So I do wonder I
(05:15):
would assume he is. He told his guys that he's leaving.
We have seen ten years ago, Tom.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's right. Whatever, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that was not
the right You know, that was one at the time
that everyone thought like Mike Weber really got done dirty
because Stan Drayton was the Ohio State running backs coach.
Mike Weber signed on signing day, you know, a tough
decision between Ohio State and Michigan. He signs on signing
date and the next day Stand Drayton leaves to go
(05:45):
be the running backs coach for the Chicago Bears. So
you know, this is one where you don't want to
trick people into signing with you. I'm guessing, you know,
I'm guessing that this was something that got communicated to
some of these guys at the point where it was
maybe going to be able to be communicated to them.
But the you know, this this breaking on signing day.
(06:08):
You know, you don't want to be in the position
where this happens two days from now and then guys
are asking to get let out of their letters off
intend if if they want to go somewhere else. They're
going to go somewhere else. I do think. I mean,
I see there's like four thousand different questions, uh that
people are asking in the chat. The first one that
(06:29):
I'm seeing is about who's going to call plays in
the playoffs. It's gonna be Brian Hartline. That's gonna be
Brian Hartline. That's not a you know, that's that's not
going to change. And you know who's going to be
the new wide receivers coach? My guest, Tony is the
current the next Ohio state wide receivers coach is already
on the Ohio State coaching staff and is also renowned
(06:50):
as a bright up and coming young mind and recruiter.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I'm gonna assume it's going to be Keenan Bailey. At
this point, we know that Devin Jory is the assistant
receivers coach. I do wonder if he might go with
heartline now he is a he is an Ohio State
alum Devin Jordan or is he is he? Is he
the new tight ends coach? Or do you need that
tight ends coach position to fill in your OC? Or
(07:16):
is Keenan Bailey who is the co OC? Your new
OC and play caller, and you've got Ryan Day. There
so a lot of things that still need to be
fleshed out, and we can take this super chat from
Mike Freno. With the portal, I don't think when the
announcement became really mattered. If recruits wanted to leave because
of this, they can just transferred three weeks anyway, exactly right,
there's you can't you can't trick anybody into signing. Aha,
(07:38):
now you're stuck here. There's no stuck anymore in terms
of the portal though, I also think this now opens
Ohio State to bringing in receivers through the portal because
with Brian Hartline that was never something that he did.
So I'm not saying this is this is good news
for Ohio State. I'm saying what you may may lack
(07:58):
in some recruiting and receiver and I don't know that
you will lack, but you can back phill like they
do everywhere else, like they've done a quarterback several times,
like they've done at other positions, are running back, and
you don't just need to rely on the recruiting for
the for the wide receivers anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, and this is also you know, Brian Hartlin is
the offensive coordinator this year. This is not the Brian
Hartline offense. This is Brian Hartline sitting in the booth
with a headset on calling the Ryan Day offense. So
I don't think, you know, in terms of like, guess
what Julian saying is probably not going to us F
and Jeremiah Smith is probably not going to us F,
(08:37):
and you're gonna have another you know, Keenan Bailey is
extremely well regarded in coaching circles, and you know this
is this is not going to be uh, you know,
the the wide receiver equivalent of well we fired legendary
coach and we replaced him with a guy off the street.
(08:58):
You know this is this is not a Nix Siliano
situation where it's like, oh, well we got we got
to get someone, and well this guy makes copies pretty well. Like, no,
they've got they have like a very capable, very well
regarded coaches on staff that I think, you know, I
think this is I'm guessing. You know, I don't know
the timing and this specific position if Ryan Day was
anticipating this, but this is not like, oh my gosh,
(09:21):
there's not a plan for this at all, Like we've
talked about this plan on this show. We've talked about
this job as a potential place for him on this show.
Like this is not something that's catching Ohio State by surprise.
They I'm sure have a okay, you know, as you said,
Keenan Bailey get promoted to co OC before this season,
What does that tell you about where Keenan Bailey may be? Like, congratulations,
(09:44):
everyone take one step to the left and it's on
the next year. Basically what I would guess.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, Frian Day has not been preparing for this and
he's not been paying attention, so I would I think
Ohio State is in a much better position now to
handle this move then than they have been in the past.
So like years prior, you're like, boy, how are they
going to handle this? And now it's like, I think
this is going to be as painless as it could
(10:10):
have ever been. Is it gonna be paid free? No,
But you are coming off of a national championship. You
you presumably will have Jeremiah Smith for one more year
next year and then he's off. Like You've got all
of the people that have been with Ryan Day, that
have been with Brian Hartline, presumably taking his role in this.
(10:30):
And you've created this wide receiver you persona that certainly
Brian Hartline will take with them and then try to
establish at USF. But you see all of the guys
in the NFL touting Ohio State, and the receivers are
Jackson Smith and Jig Buta just the latest. And so
you've kind of built in a foundation that will do
(10:52):
some of your recruiting for you. The super chef from
Big Daddy Gahannah, who do we lose? Just just say
you know, Big Daddy, you are banned for a one
super chat based on the the super chat from the
postgame at Michigan. We will not answer this. No, it's
it'll be interesting to see who they lose. But again,
(11:12):
you still have time to recover and get through the portal.
But they have lost Kaiden Dixon. Why I at this point,
I am not expecting Chris Henry Junior to sign with
Ohio State. Now I have no information on that, yeah,
other than the fact that his biggest tie to Ohio
State always seemed to be Brian Hartline.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, and I think and you know that was sort
of what he pegged this too, was as long as
Brian Heartland's there, I'm signing with Ohio States. Now Brian
Hartlin's not there, So now it's at least more of
an open conversation. And you know, I'm not going to
pretend to have you know, like, oh, good, good news.
I have his house bugged, so I know exactly what
they're saying this morning, Like, no, we don't know, but yeah,
(11:52):
I think I think that's a little bit of an
open conversation. Brock Boyd is already into the class one
of the wide receivers. Jaden Ricketts is already into the
as Kaden Dixon. Why it went to USC So you know,
we'll see where what happens with Chris Henry and then
Jeremiah Smith. I'm not expecting Jeremiah Smith to leave. I
think Jeremiah Smith knows that he is, you know, in
(12:12):
a very good situation right now, and has a very
good quarterback and a very good offense, and is getting
trained extremely well and probably knows knows Kingdon Bailey very well.
And again, assuming he's the guy, but I would be
very surprised if he left. I'd be surprised if Brandon
Innis left. You know, guys further down the depth chart.
I saw some someone asking, like Milon Graham Quincy Porter, like,
(12:36):
I don't. I mean, I don't know, we will that
that's that's something that those guys have probably not even
thought about yet. And when you have younger guys who
are you know, maybe in a couple, a couple of
years in and they're not as high on the depth
chart as they want to be, those are guys that
transfer out sometimes anyway. So you know, we'll we'll see
anything we anything we say right now is purely conjecture
(12:58):
and probably not helpful. So yeah, I don't. I don't
expect Jeremiah Smith to go anywhere. I don't expect Brandon
in Is to go anywhere. Like guys who guys who
have been here and established and are one year way,
there's no reason to leave. You're not going to us F.
So yeah, I don't. I don't think that that's a
I don't think that's anything you really need to worry about.
(13:20):
Mike says, I'm surprised he took the USF job. I
really thought he thought he had to. He'd wait for
a P four team to offer him again. I think,
you know, would you rather be at USF or would
you rather be at West Virginia? Would you rather? I mean,
he interviewed at West Virginia last year? Would you rather
be at us F or West Virginia? To me, that's
not even like, that's not even worth the conversation. You'd
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rather be at us F. Us F is in a
spot where they are in a position to win conference championships,
get into the College Football Playoff. They've got, they're sinking
a bunch of resources into the program, and that's honestly,
that's that's like the number one thing you're looking for
right now. Where are they taking football serious? And where
are they kind of coasting off of, you know, the
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vapors of what happened thirty years ago. And you know
I said this earlier. I would much rather be the
head coach at us F and Kentucky by a million miles. Kentucky,
like you're going to get more money now, but that
program is I mean, well we'll see what will Stein
does there, but I think what Kentucky is going to
be like, congratulations, you're in the Music City Bowl again,
(14:26):
Like that's amazing, well done, and like that's fine there,
but that's not like if you have long term ambitions
of moving up in the sport. I think you can
parlay the USF job in a couple of years into
a much better job than Kentucky. And this is this
is I think some pretty decent long term you know,
I think Brian Brian Hartline probably played the long game
(14:48):
here a little bit, and you know, has some pretty
good connections in coaching, probably talked. I'm going to guess
he talked to Brian Day about where he might want
to go, I think, and I guess he talked to
Urban Meyer about where he might want to go. And
I think he landed in a spot that makes a
heck of a lot of sense for him.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, Urban Meyer is going to tell you go somewhere
where you can recruit well. South Florida. It's not just
the University of It is also the hotbed of recruiting.
And I think USF you have a better opportunity to
use that as a stepping stone than UCLA. And UCLA
is a major, near blue blood kind of program. But
(15:25):
can you win there consistently enough to then go somewhere else?
And I think at USF you certainly can, and you
can make the playoffs while you do it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
The campus of the University of South Florida to IMG
Academy is one hour and six minutes fifty four point
eight miles. You don't have that in Kentucky, sorry, And
if you do, they're going to spend the money on
basketball there. So don't like that. Again, that is the
one school in the SEC outside of maybe Arkansas now
(15:57):
maybe where they're going to spend more money on basketball
than they are on football. And so you you do
not want to be the only one who is a
second class citizen inside their own program. Super teff from
Jordan Kapler. Shame on Heartline for not waiting until after
the championship celebration like any good upstanding gentleman would do. Listen,
There's no good way to leave, you know. Here's I
(16:17):
think this has been one of the big takeaways from
this cycle. There are lots of ways that you can
leave a program, and no one's ever like super thrilled.
I've seen a lot of like good for Brian Hartline.
Congratulations from Brian Hartline, which is that is the correct
response here, Like Brian Hartline worked extremely hard at Ohio
State and worked built Ohio State into something it was
not before Brian Hartline got there, but he's now you know,
(16:40):
this is a great opportunity for him. He's moving, you know,
moving on. There is a way to do this, and
this is the way that Brian Hartlin's doing it, and
it's the way that you know, Will Stein is doing
it at Oregon and lots of these other coaches. Alex
Golish I think is maybe still coaching USF and maybe not.
It was like all the guys in the American who
you're still in the playoff hunt, they're all staying and
(17:03):
they're all coaching their teams out and there's a way
not to do it anyway LSU. So yeah, no, this
is like, this is not something where anyone should have
any ill will towards Brian Hartline, Like this is a
great opportunity for Brian Hartline. Brian Hartline has been incredible
for Ohio State and the program and the position and
the offense and there's place in the sport and what
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people think about Ohio State football, Like people did not
think Ohio State wide receiver you before Brian Hartline took over,
Like it was like, yeah, they had some good wide
receivers and then Brian Hartlin took over and then it
was like, oh oh wow, like this is the place
where you go to be a top ten wide receiver
in the NFL. That's Brian Hartline's doing. And you know,
(17:47):
your emotion right now should be gratitude and happiness for him,
and like congratulations and best of luck. And you know,
now USF is our you know, second favorite or third
favorite or whatever team like that, that should be your react,
I think, and.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I just for those of that are joining late, he
is planning on staying through the playoffs, so he's not
going to be leaving anybody high and dry in case
you're wondering that. And let's also remember the way Brian
Hartline started, which was walking on as a coach and
helping the Ohio State scout team in preparation for the
(18:22):
twenty sixteen game against Clemson. Now Ohio State was shut out,
so you could say, you know, how much did you
help me? He was working as a wide receiver for
the scout team preparing them for Clemson. That was his
first foray into coaching. It was just I think Bobby
Carpenter said why don't you come on and check it out?
And he did, and then Urban Meyer was like, why
don't you come back in the spring and be a
(18:44):
volunteer here, We'll see what we can find for you.
And he did and he never left until now, and
so he gave to eight seasons plus of time to
Ohio State. And for about the last three or four seasons,
everybody's been like, is this going to be the last season?
How much longer are they going to be able to
keep him? So I think you got him for about
as long as you can hope, and so now it's
(19:05):
okay to wish him well. And I think everybody everybody
has been super chat for Mike Friedo. I have to
think Bryson Rodgers transfers out would almost certainly be wide
receiver one at USF next year. It doesn't seem to
be in line to be a starter here, Tom. I
would say Brian Hartline is the same coach that has
been playing Bryson Rogers sparingly. And Brian Hartline is the
(19:26):
same receivers coach that Bryson Rodgers transferred out from a
year ago. So I don't know that he's going to
be super fired up to follow Brian Hartline somewhere now.
Clearly he'd be in line closer in line to play.
But I do wonder how quickly some of these guys
that aren't playing people are thinking, Oh, they're just going
(19:46):
to follow Brian Hartline. I don't know that that's true.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, I don't know that that's true. I mean, Bryson
Rodgers is from Zephyr Hills, Florida, which is like half
an hour from Tampa. So it's you know, this is
right back in his backyard. You know, Colonel Tate is
going after this season, So does that mean you know
that would certainly open up a spot in the you know,
outside receiver rotation for for Bryce and Rogers who you
(20:12):
know this is? This is one of these impossible things
like could he leave and go back and go play
with Heartline? Because you know he he left and then
he came back to play for heart Line again, So
does you know does the Obviously the depth chart at
us F at wide receiver is probably not as difficult
to crack as the depth chart at Ohio State at
wide receiver. So could you see it? Sure? Is it
(20:34):
a guarantee? No, but you know, sure it's a it's
a it's a possibility. Super chat from hang On, too
many super chats not a problem. Mike Freno says, apparently
Chris Henry Junior is delaying his announcement. Not sure if
that benefits Ohio State or hurts It allows Data try
and defence him to State, but also allows other schools
(20:54):
to get in his ear. You know, I don't think
that's bad for Ohio State. I think it's now you
can have the you know, the same conversation we just had, like, yeah,
you also Keenan Bailey. Even before Keenan Bailey was one
of the ten countable assistants, back when that was the thing,
you still heard like corneld Tate talked a bunch about
Keenan Bailey when he was being recruited and Keenan Bailey
(21:15):
was not one of the like major coaches. Keenan Bailey
is a great recruiter. Keenan Bailey is well thought of
in the business. Again, we're we're assuming that that's what's
going to happen, that they'll move Keenan Bailey over to
wide receivers coach. But all the stuff that about Ohio
State that was, you know, there's a lot that Ohio
State has going for it that isn't Brian Hartline, you know,
(21:36):
it is the defending national champions, the current number one
team in the nation, a team with an incredible quarterback
and a team with an incredible history of developing quarterbacks.
And you know this is this is an offense that
is going to make you very productive as a wide receiver.
This is you know, You've You've seen Marvin Harrison get
drafted high. You've seen you know, Chris Alave and Jamison
(22:00):
Williams and Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith and Jig I
mean just on and on and on, and yeah, Brian
Hartland was a common thread there, but you know they
were also guys who were immensely productive in this offense.
So I think that there's a lot going for you.
You know, you want to stack up the Ohio state
wide receiver production production over the last fifteen twenty years
(22:21):
with the Oregon wide receiver production, Like, I don't think
that's a particularly hard case for Ryan day make. And
Oregon is also losing its offensive coordinator to a head
coaching job east of the Mississippi this year, So you know,
I don't know that that's I know that I look
at that and go like, oh, yeah, well, now Oregon's
definitely the better choice because I think there's you know,
I think there's a lot that we'll go into that
(22:44):
beyond just you know, Brian Hartlin left and therefore Ohio
State has no chance.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I don't see this as being detrimental to Ohio State.
I think this is just take a step back, talk
with Ohio State, see what the offer is, all of
that good stuff, because that is all part of it
as well, and just say what what is the plan
moving forward? If you can let me know what the
plan is moving forward that way, I've got some sort
of an idea. I think the worst thing for our
(23:10):
high state would have been him just saying, well, I'm
going to just go with Oregon now rather than trying
to get more information out of Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, Murphy Seraphino says, not sure
if you guys hitten us already, But chances Chip Kelly
comes back. I mean it's certainly a possibility because he's
obviously on the on the open market right now. And
you know, we can certainly ask Brian Day about that
in about an hour and ten minutes. But you know,
it's it's it's a possibility, certainly. I think though you're probably.
(23:39):
I think there's a decent possibility Keenan Bailey is at
least in a more direct role in that. I think
there's I think you're going to hear the name Keenan
Bailey a lot over the next day or so. And
I would guess, as we said earlier, I'm pretty sure
Ryan Day has a plan already. And Ryan Day, you know,
Ryan Day is not looking to bring in some hot
shot out. I'd play caller, like, you know, someone to
(24:03):
come in and install his offense, Like, nah, he's good,
He's got his offense. He needs someone to come in
and call it. And I think there's a real possibility
that's Keenan Bailey next year.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I and he elevated him to COOC before this season.
I think in preparation for this, he's been at Ohio State.
Keenan Bailey longer than Ryan Day has to give you
an idea. So he's been around, he's done everything, he's
seen everything, he's been preparing for this. I don't know
that's going to be him. I think that would be
my That would be my first guess as to what
happens there.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
NBA fan seven eighty fours his heartline should have waited
a year, needs to develop more as a play caller.
This doesn't optimally position him for the Ohio State job
when Day leaves in seven to ten years. Freeman and
Fable clear him easily. I mean there's there are a
lot of assumptions there, and I don't know that I
necessarily directly agree with any of them. I mean, needs
to develop more as a play caller. Well, what kind
of head coach is he going to be? Is he
(24:54):
going to bring in a couple guys? Or is he
going to try and run the Brian Heartline offense? And
what is the Brian hertline just the Ryan Day offense
with some Brian Hartline twists? Or are you going to
bring in someone who's going to run their own offense.
We don't know that this is an optimally position him
for the Ohio's date job when Brian Day leaves in
seven to ten years. Ryan Dy could leave in two
(25:15):
years to go be the head coach of I don't know,
the Chiefs or something, or he could he could be
here for twenty more years. You don't like, what's the
what is the timetable they are based on? And I
don't think the answer is anything you know, I mean,
are you trying to time it on when his kids
are going to graduate high school? Like? Yeah, maybe I guess,
(25:36):
but I don't know that I'm assuming anything there. And
Marcus Freeman and Mike Crable c you know, clear him easily?
Is the thought there right now? Sure? What does Marcus
Freeman look like in between two and twenty years? What
does Mike Crabel look like in between two and twenty years?
You know, what is any George doing in between two
(25:58):
and twenty years? There's a lot lot of possibilities, And
you know, we're naming lots of people who were former
Ohio State football players. Ryan Day had no previous ties
to the Ohio State football team and has done just fine.
And so I don't ye, I think there's a lot
of assumptions based in there that I don't necessarily think
are you know, one totally grounded in fact? And you know,
(26:22):
I think USF We've said this earlier, like USF is
a job that this may not directly position you for
the Ohio State job, this positions you incredibly well for
the job that then positions you will for the Ohio
State job.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And not only Ryan Day had no direct connection to
Ohio State other than connection to Urban Maria. Like, he
was never a head coach, so you don't necessarily have
to go somewhere to be a head coach to then
become Ohio State's head coach. They made Groom James Lornidis
to be the next guy and just say, hey, so
you know, you don't need to go anywhere, you can
stay here. I don't know, going now just gets the
(26:59):
process started. Now, I don't think it impacts I don't
think it takes away the opportunity. And again we've sent
Tom send this for years and then there was this
little crack and it's like, well, maybe, but I don't
ever see Mike Frable at Ohio State and Marcus Freeman. Again,
(27:19):
he's at a place he never needs to leave, and
he's perfectly finely, doing very very well at Notre Dame. Now,
if they go a few years of being left out
of the playoffs, left out of the playoffs because they
they're not in a conference, then maybe he will revisit it,
but Notre Dame may revisit it before then. But yeah,
I'm with you, I don't think this impacts takes him
out of the running in any way, because all of
(27:43):
this is just about timing, and you have no idea
when that timing is. Ryan Day being Ohio State's head
coach was two ships passing in the wind and they
happen to be at the right spot at the right time,
or else he'd be. You know, he could have taken
a Mississippi State job, and where would things be now. So, yeah,
(28:05):
you can't plan for these things because you don't control
You only control yourself. There's so many other factors, you
being almost the least of them.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, and you know, as far as the idea that
he's like clearly going to be behind Marcus Freeman and
Mike Vrabel if we had been having this conversation three
years ago, the guy who would have been the absolute
hottest name tied to Ohio State without a question, not
even a conversation, would be Luke Fickle. So sometimes things change,
(28:36):
and sometimes trajectories change for the better or the worse.
So I really would caution against making any like hard
and fast, like well, five years from now, we all
know what we don't know anything about five years from now.
In college football, three years ago, I tell you that
the Indiana Hoosiers are the number two team in the
country and facing Ohio State for number one and a
(28:57):
spot in the College Football Playoff. And they made the
college Football Playoff last year, and they did it with
the guy who is coaching, James Madison, and you go
who and yep, yeah, so here we are Vanderbilt fringe
college football playoff contender this year.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
If that situation, if that is proposed to you, is
your first thought, My god, what happened to the southeast
of the United States? Is everything? Okay?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
What took them out?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Did the Thanos thing happen? I thought that was just
a movie, Yes, Peter, I wanted to know if they
call on Chip Kelly. It would not surprise me if
you had Chip Kelly involved in some way, you know,
in the building, watching film or you know whatever. He's
not going to be the guy during the playoff who's
like up in the booth calling the players. That is
going to continue to be Brian Hartline. That's been made
(29:45):
pretty clear at this point. But you know, chip Kelly
having some kind of a role moving forward, Yeah, sure possible.
Could he be the OC next year? Yeah, sure possible,
But we'll see. I do want to hit a couple
from one of our sources in the Sunshine State said,
this is this is someone who knows Florida and the
(30:07):
Florida sports scene pretty well, said, Heartline will own South
Florida recruiting with the South Florida Express in South Florida,
he will win quickly there. I give him three years
and he's been knocking on the door at Ohio State
in Miami. And then brought up the point that I
brought up earlier. The usf has put a bunch of
money into new stadium upgrades that just I think got
(30:27):
a just got a new indoor practice facility. Which think
about the fact that they were in Tampa where it
gets like scorchingly hot and or rains constantly during the
spring and summer and fall, and they didn't have an
indoor facility. So yeah, this is part of this is
part of.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
That whole thing with the SFE, with the South Florida
Express seven on seven stuff. You already know they're having
us f E merchandise oh put together, right uh huh.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
And you know, I think this is this is what
you should uh, this is what you should be saying
right now. Heartland did an awesome job, the greatest the
Black guys have always had good to great receivers. We
will have more congratulations at heartline, Like if you were
an a House Day fan, that should be the attitude
right now towards this news, because you were not going
to keep him forever, Like you don't have guys who
(31:19):
were up and coming, ambitious people like you know, he
always said like oh you know, no, you know, not
really interested in in a head coaching job. But then
he kept going out and interviewing for head coaching jobs.
And it's like, well, like we kept telling you, like
I don't think this is going to be the one.
But if he's out doing this, he's not doing this
just for you know, the joy of Morgan, you know,
(31:40):
experiencing Morgantown, West Virginia. Like you're you're doing this for
a reason.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So I think this one up there for you.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I see that. I can't read it, Tony, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Former Coastal Carolina head coach Tim Beck can't believe that
one didn't work out anyway. Uh yeah it was. Yeah.
How did his last game go? Was it good? Was
it amazing? It was at Ohio State. I feel like
(32:07):
they scored many touchdown Ohio State. Was that he called
was really a fantastic one Curtis Samuel against Michigan. What
happened after that? No points, I can tell you that.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So there you go. I want to thank all nearly
twelve hundred of you on the line, but we do
have to run. We've got a press conference to get
you with Ryan Day on about what's supposed to be
about signing Day.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
From Brian Dawes real quick, sorry if I already already asked,
do we have a timeline for departure after the season
like he's going to be He's going to stay with
Ohio State through the season, continue to call plays as
an offensive coortator. That is the understanding right now. Again,
we'll talk to Brian Day in an hour, so go
ahead and clear your calendars for noon. I'm going to
guess that's going to be a very different press conference
(32:54):
than it was when Ohio State decided we're going to
do a noon press conference on Wednesday just to talk
about signing Day. What what else could there possibly be
to talk about Tony?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yes, well, we will be talking about all of it,
and we'll be doing at YouTube dot com slash Bucke Huddle,
which is where you are right now, if you're watching
and of course the Buckeye Weekly podcast. You can find
it on all of your audio podcast platforms and as
well as Tom's Buckeyes Tomorrow morning, and you can find
us talking about this at buckeyehuddle dot com. Sign up,
sayalo to us there, we'd love to talk to you.
That will do it from here. Thank you all for
(33:23):
tuning in and we will talk to you all later
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