December 1, 2025 • 42 mins
Buckeye Weekly: Breaking Down Ohio State's 27-9 Victory Over Michigan
Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr return from Ann Arbor to discuss what they learned from rewatching Ohio State's 27-9 win over Michigan. They break down key moments, performances, and strategic decisions that led to the Buckeyes' victory. Topics include Michigan's early-game tactics, the performance of Ohio State's offensive line, Bo Jackson's impressive play, and the defensive dominance of players like Caleb Downs and Sonny Styles. Tune in for an in-depth analysis and insights from the game.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:12 Post-Game Reflections and Travel Anecdotes
00:48 Breaking Down the Ohio State vs. Michigan Game
01:17 Michigan's Deceptive Tactics
03:12 Early Game Observations and Key Plays
04:54 Michigan's Conservative Game Plan
06:02 Ohio State's Defensive Dominance
10:41 Bo Jackson's Breakout Performance
15:33 Comparing Freshman Seasons: Bo Jackson vs. JK Dobbins
19:00 Memorable Moments and Celebrations
21:28 Sherrone Moore's Emotional Rollercoaster
22:24 Ryan Day's Sideline Passion
24:04 Brandon Inniss: The Unsung Hero
27:34 Ohio State's Defensive Dominance
32:33 Key Moments and Strategic Decisions
39:37 Kayden McDonald: The Fullback Experiment
41:46 Wrapping Up and Looking Ahead
Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr return from Ann Arbor to discuss what they learned from rewatching Ohio State's 27-9 win over Michigan. They break down key moments, performances, and strategic decisions that led to the Buckeyes' victory. Topics include Michigan's early-game tactics, the performance of Ohio State's offensive line, Bo Jackson's impressive play, and the defensive dominance of players like Caleb Downs and Sonny Styles. Tune in for an in-depth analysis and insights from the game.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:12 Post-Game Reflections and Travel Anecdotes
00:48 Breaking Down the Ohio State vs. Michigan Game
01:17 Michigan's Deceptive Tactics
03:12 Early Game Observations and Key Plays
04:54 Michigan's Conservative Game Plan
06:02 Ohio State's Defensive Dominance
10:41 Bo Jackson's Breakout Performance
15:33 Comparing Freshman Seasons: Bo Jackson vs. JK Dobbins
19:00 Memorable Moments and Celebrations
21:28 Sherrone Moore's Emotional Rollercoaster
22:24 Ryan Day's Sideline Passion
24:04 Brandon Inniss: The Unsung Hero
27:34 Ohio State's Defensive Dominance
32:33 Key Moments and Strategic Decisions
39:37 Kayden McDonald: The Fullback Experiment
41:46 Wrapping Up and Looking Ahead
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How's it going, Tony? We made it back safely from
ann Arbor. We actually beat the Ohio State football team
back even though they were taking a plane and we
were driving. And also, frankly, we did a longer postgame
show than they did, so you know, and Tony didn't
get pulled over even though he was driving faster than
planes fly apparently, I don't know. So that was a
(00:32):
great job, great job all around by Tony. We had
less of a delay than the Ohio State did. So
there you go.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Who's the real hero?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Me? When is it you? The answer?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Tom.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
So we are here, I think essentially to put Michigan
to bed for a while. We have we have done
a rewatch of the the Ohio State Michigan game. We've
got we've got notes and Binder's full of thoughts that
we didn't get to see live or if you know,
we did see live. There's some things that you know,
remembered us, reminded us of some things, and I've got
(01:07):
some a few of those things. But Tom, can I
tell you. The first thing that should have been a
little bit of a clue that I saw as I'm
watching this broadcast, and it's when Michigan's offense is getting
huddled on the sideline getting ready to take the field
after the kickoff, and Max Brettison is in that huddle
and he starts off running towards the field and then
(01:28):
he comes off, and it's just to me, it was
like the first part of a smoking mirrors plan for Michigan.
It's like, let's make Ohio State think a bunch of things,
none of which are true, and see if we can't
fool them into believing these things. And that was the
first of them too. Have Ohio State response, Oh no,
oh my god, Max Bredison is heading towards the field.
(01:48):
Oh thank god, No, he's not what. I don't know
what to think now, what are they going to come
up with next? And that, to me just reminded me
of like when Ohio State would play a bad team
back in the day, and the bad team would start
off like with the on side kick because they know
like things they're in trouble. It's kind of felt like that.
I was kind of like, hmm, that's it's a bit much.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, they were very clearly leaking through some friendly media
that oh boy, there's gonna be some shocking development in
terms of who's going to play in having lengked left tackle.
He was dressed, he was all warming up. Bretison was
Bretison got off the bus in a boot and with
crutches and then was dressed. And you told me after him.
(02:34):
I didn't even notice him out there in his uniform,
but you told me after the game, might have been
even on the postgame show, and it was like, what, No,
he wasn't. I saw him like I saw him get
off the bus and thought, well, there's no way that
guy's playing today. Unless medical science has a significant leap
forward in the next forty five minutes, there's no way
he's playing. And I have not seen any headlines about that.
(02:55):
So yeah, there was. You know, there's a lot of
subterfus that it was on with this game, so you know,
there's nothing wrong with that. It's not like, oh, they're
doing something dirty or underhanded or anything like that, but
it just is kind of like, well, you're just sort
of throwing some stuff against the ball to see what sticks.
My early game observation, and this is something I never
(03:16):
would have thought in a million years, But this was
kind of Michigan's you know, they didn't come in expecting
to win this game like the like the Buckeyes did
in the game. I'm about the site, but this was
kind of Michigan's two thousand and seven Fiesta Bowl game
where you know, I'll say, ted Gen runs back the
opening kickoff for a touchdown and it's like, oh man,
(03:37):
here we go. And then and then the rest of
the game happened tony three minutes and thirty seconds. At second,
three minutes and thirty seconds into this game, here are
some things that had already happened. The Michigan student section
had already started chanting overrated. Michigan had already forced its
only turnover of the day. They already had their longest
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and third longest runs of the day and which is
counted for more than half of their rushing yards for
the total day. And they had their third longest pass
of the day. All of that happened in the first
three minutes and thirty seconds of this football game. Unfortunately
for Michigan, there were another fifty six minutes and thirty
seconds after that that did not go quite as well well.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They also did not have the ball for the rest
of them for those fifty six minutes, basically as Ohio
statey had the ball for forty minutes, and as Tom knows,
the most important statistic in college football is time of possession.
He will will you that years you mentioned those early
runs Michigan picked up not just then, but that they
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had seventy nine yards on their three explosive runs and
their other twenty one carries went for twenty one yards.
Over the course of the game. They had one explosive
pass play which was twenty six yards to Donovan McCauley,
and two triple coverage which really you could tell, and
I wrote about this on Sunday, you could tell that
this was a very concern game plan. They did not
(05:01):
want Bryce Underwood throwing the ball over the middle of
the field, certainly beyond the ten yards or anything like that,
because again, as you like to say, here'll be monsters,
and that was definitely the case for Ohio States defense.
I started charting his passing, it was just like, there's
no no reason to because he had like that was
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the only pass that was really meaningfully downfield he had,
you know, the two pass interference calls, which were you know,
we've seen worse get let go. But this is not
something that I learned from rewatching. But again, the passing game,
this was a very very concerned and conservative game plan
(05:43):
by Michigan, and it we were expecting more screens and
things like that, and these were some They threw some
slow developing screens where Ohio State is like, okay, like
give us, give us more time to go blow up
to play behind the line of scrimmage, and we saw
them do that. Whether it's Caleb Downs or Arvel Reice
(06:04):
or sunny styles, this defense is too fast for slow
developing stuff. And frankly, they're too good for the quick
stuff either, which is why you need the downfield stuff
and you didn't have it. And this is something I
wanted to mention during the show the post game, but
I just you know, I was cold. But I saw
a lot of Caleb Downs in the slot over Nick
(06:24):
ma or Andrew Marsh when they would put Marsh in
the slot, and they were putting them all over the
place to try to, I don't know, do something because
but they never really threw to him unless it was
like down the sideline with the two PI calls or
one of the PI calls.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, he had officially zero targets on the stat sheet,
and the only one that I could remember getting thrown
to him was the one that Jermaine Matthews got called
for past interference, and that was if you watched it,
it was like Jermaine Matthews extended his arm and less
Jeremy matt Jermaine Matthews suddenly got much stronger or Andrew
marsh weighs less than he's listed on the roster. I
don't know how he got thrown as that violently off
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of his feet because it didn't look like that much show.
But either way, Yeah, whatever, it's it's fine. It's a
past interference call it they're going to make that. That's fine.
But yeah, they was. There was just there was just
not a lot there for Michigan. Offensively. I was surprised
at the fact that Michigan didn't do something else. I mean,
we they run an end around that has been like
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the Michigan signature, as you're gonna have the uh, you know,
one wide receiver is going to have one end around
and he's going to get exactly twelve yards, it's gonna
work once and that's gonna be it. And then you're
gonna run a reverse and sometimes that's gonna have a
Fleetlaker tag on it. And just didn't do any of
that stuff. And I think part of that may have
been Ohio State's approach, which number one, Ohio State has
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been very good and very disciplined about staying home on
that stuff all year against everyone. But number two, if
you look, every time Michigan lines up the punt, Ohio
States got his defense out there because Ohio State is
just this is a game where both teams. It felt
like both teams came in kind of knowing like, yeah,
Michigan could win, but they're gonna have to pull off
some nonsense on special teams or you know, get some
turnovers on defense. And so Ohio State, if Ohio States
(08:05):
approach on special teams was just kind of okay, we're
not gonna, you know, we don't care if you punt
this ball. We just you've got to punt it. We're
gonna make you punt it. We're not gonna, you know,
we are not going to fall for the banana and
the tailpipe on special teams and they didn't and Michigan
didn't even try. Just it just felt like Ohio States
approach maybe pushed Michigan away from maybe trying some of
(08:29):
that stuff because it was like very obviously not going
to work. But nothing else really worked. It was just
it was kind of a weird game plan, like they
as you said, they didn't do this stuff that I
sort of expected them to do, but nothing they did
really worked. And you know, I saw people saying that, well, boy,
the whole game changed after Jordan Marshall went out, and
it's like maybe, but I you know, I don't. Did
(08:51):
you think Jordan Marshall was on his way to a
tim biaka Patuca game? I didn't. I didn't. The Ohio
State offensive line, it was, you know, Michigan did some
interesting stuff, blocked up a couple of plays and that
was you know, early and then Ohio it seems like
they adjusted and that was kind of it. So yeah,
I didn't. I did not look at anything and think, well,
that was the one thing that, you know, if only
(09:13):
this one thing hadn't happened, I've had a whole different outcome.
That just that just looked like a lot like an
Ohio State Michigan game where one team was substantially better
in the trenches on both sides the ball, and that
team won.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And to circle back to the the Jordan Marshall thing,
he got injured, fire re injured, reaggravated five minutes in.
It was going, it was bound to happen, and then
Michigan got the experience of Tony Alfred in this game,
who frequently in the past has not had a deep
enough room to handle. Late November, he lost his top
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two guys this year if you want to include Jordan
Marshall and that, so you're down to your third and
year fourth. Saw him a couple of years ago where
he's putting you know, a few years back where you're
down to a freshman and Xavier Johnson. Then a year
after that, you're you're trying to put Chip train him
in there, and he's running the ball, and he's your answer.
He's a linebacker, you know, came to iOS State to
(10:10):
play linebacker after being a running back in Arizona State.
And he's your third or fourth guy. So they got
the Tony Alfred experience in this game, which is reaching
very deep into a very shallow bag and hoping for
the best and just not quite working out. And that's
what happened with Michigan in this in this one whereas
(10:32):
Ohio State is out there playing three guys, playing four
guys frankly, and three of them getting carries and all
of them seeming fresh and Rosie.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, and you know, I think we should just talk
about bo Jackson here, but yeah, to Carlos Laughlin's credit, yeah,
the room is, the room is deep, The room is.
The room has four playable guys, four guys who they
would feel okay giving carries in that game and you know,
taking snaps and game. I mean, you saw Isaiah West
(11:01):
getting multiple carries in the in the early fourth quarter.
But man, bo Jackson, like this is this is the
bo Jackson that you and I were looking at in
the spring and going like I don't know when, but
this guy is going to be pretty good at some
point relatively soon. And you're just you've kind of seen
his profile sort of round out. It was like, boy,
(11:23):
he's got a good burst through the hole, but you
know it gets you know, he'll he'll get knocked off balance.
Read he isn't seeing the holes where they are, or
maybe they're not being block well enough, a little bit
of all of that earlier in the spring, and then
this was a one. This was one where it was like, oh,
you know he had he has the run where you go,
Oh that was you know, that was like good cutback
to find the find the lane. Oh, that was like
(11:45):
good burst. You know, the one, the one where he
looked like he was absolute Jimmy Roller looked like you
had him absolutely dead to rights. I think there's on
the second drive where it looks like Jimmy Roller had
him absolutely dead to rights and he like he gave
him the stanky leg and then all of a sudden
took off and then TJ. Metcalf comes flying by and
blocks Jimmy Rolder for him and it's like, yeah, thanks, cool,
(12:07):
appreciate it and takes off running. And one thing that
you just in terms of a freshman, freshmen have lots
of different personalities, but Jaire Hill was kind of joeing
at Bo Jackson on one play and then that was
I believe the next snap, and jay R. Hill was
the one who ultimately ran Bo Jackson down you know,
thirty five or whatever yards downfield, and Bo Jackson was
(12:30):
letting him know about it, right after that play, and
it was like, all right, well the freshman has figured out,
the freshman has found his voice, and the freshman has
seemingly found his game. And he was I think he
had a good reception or two as well. He was
useful in the passing game. So yeah, it feels like
he is sort of really sort of finding his role,
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rounding into his role. But they also have the ability
to you know, throw those other guys. And he actually
had a good blitz pick up on one of the
plays as well. It was just it was just kind
of I have a list of like, oh, you know
this was yo, this was a good good this on
this play, and oh look good that on that play,
and it was just kind of like, oh, this was
(13:11):
you know, he kind of checked all the boxes in
this game.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Boy. Yeah he did.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
The blitz pick up is on my second page, which
led to the past to Will Kasmeric down the seam
on Jimmy Jimmy Rowler because the other linebacker was staying
in was blitzing Bo Jackson. So yeah, four catches, forty
nine yards in this one. He had a twenty three
yarder like on one sideline and then the most impressive
(13:37):
one was the catch over like he had to turn
and caught, you know, catch it like this, which is
tough for a running back to do, to get it
over his pads, brought it in, picked up a first down,
and you're watching him and I can see maybe next year,
a year after that, where you're talking about a guy
that is going to be approaching like, say, eighteen hundred
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yards of total offense in a season because of the
receiving aspect of what he's done. We've seen him very
effective as an outlet. He's very effective as a second
read guy, second third read guy where you just you
know what, it's easy yards, go get it, where he
could be a thirteen fourteen hundred yard rusher and you know,
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four hundred yard receaved Steven guy, especially over the course
of sixteen games, really becoming a complete back and coming
into this game Michigan game, I felt pretty good about him.
And now I'm not saying he's gonna have like an
Ezekiel Elliott twenty fourteen finished to his season where he's
just running for two hundred yards on everybody, but it's
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gonna be interesting to see because right now he's like
at nine hundred and forty yards rushing after twelve games,
even though he did not play against Texas. I do
wonder if he starts to become a national name, not
just because of bo Jackson, but because of his play
as the postseason goes on.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, he's currently at nine hundred and fifty two yards.
And I just I just pulled that up and had
the oh, these stats have him been updated because it
says he's only played the eleven games, and then you
forget he literally didn't play against Texas to start the year.
And then here are his last five games. Thirteen carries
for one hundred and five yards eight point one against
Penn State, fourteen carries for seventy five yards five point
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four against Purdue, fifteen carries for one hundred and twelve
yards at seven point five against UCLA, nineteen carries for
one hundred and ten yards five point eight against Rutgers,
and twenty two carries for one hundred and seventeen yards
five point three against Michigan. Just say he averages one
hundred yards, which he's he's over that over the last
five games. Say he averages one hundred yards for the
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next four games at Ohio State plays off Ohio State
plays four more games. He's basically in JK. Dobbins freshman
year territory. It's right around there. He might even be
a little bit ahead. I think Dobbins was in that
thirteen ish hundred range fourteen oh three, was it fourteen
oh three? Okay, so yeah, so he's right right in
that neighborhood. Then that's you know, you look at that number,
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and that was a well. JK. Dobbins was an incredibly
you know, really unique running back. And that was also
a season when Ohio State had you know, really he
was it because Mike Weber was really banged up that
year and you really didn't see him a ton. And yeah,
they didn't play fifteen games back then or sixteen games
back then, but it was, you know, still that was
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a boy. You might not see that for a long time.
And then Bo Jackson doesn't literally doesn't play the first
game of the season, and then it is just part
of a rotation coming through. And you know, I know
we did like over unders for his season, and I
think we were trying to be sort of cautious about
not you don't want to say this guy's gonna have
thirteen hundred yards this year, because that's really an unfair
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thing to throw on a true freshman, especially a guy
who's not even starting at the beginning of the year.
But you know, I think I think we set over
unders around seven hundred maybe or six hundred or something
like that and thought like, yeah, he could, he could
absolutely hit those numbers. Then he took a bigger role earlier,
earlier in the season than we were thinking, because it
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just just felt like he vaulted past Donaldson and people's
relatively early in the in the season and took that
starting role. But yeah, he is, he has been, you know,
not not a surprise in that, like wow, where did
this guy come from? But just he got he got
here faster than I thought he might.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Oh, in just one correction on the over under or
the season total, I said six one hundred yard rushing games.
I didn't. I'm sure I didn't say six hundred yards rushing.
I'm pretty sure I said six one hundred yard rushing games.
It may have maybe the audio was bad or the
memories are bad.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But bad on the Buckeye Weekly podcast, Please sir, please,
no one would.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
May have been running a chainsaw at the moment. I
don't know I can't recall you're turning to my turn.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You go ahead, Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I I enjoyed watching IGB in the game, both the
first time and the second time. He gets so involved
in the run game when there's no receiver on his side.
He's like, Okay, I'm now, Caleb Downs, I'm going to
go and make a play against the run. If you
don't want to put a receiver over on my side,
I'll just go do that. Especially if Caleb Downs is
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defending Andrew marsh or whatever. He's very effective at that.
I we were, I was. I left the press box
with like three minutes to go, and we're out and
we have to kind of walk out of the stadium
to get back around to the post game. And as
we're kind of leaving the stadium, you hear this the
crowd roars, and I'm thinking, was that an Ohio State
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roar or was that a Michigan roar? Because I know
most Michigan fans are already out of the stadium, so
I'm like, that was probably an Ohio State roar. And
then I think we finally figured out like there was
maybe an interception, And so I get to the postgame, room,
and I think I asked somebody, Hey, like what happened.
They said, oh, David Snigbinosen intercepted the ball and then
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ran down the field and took his helmet off and
celebrated in the end zone. And I'm like, that makes
complete sense. That is exactly I should have known. I
should have known by the roar that that was an
interception and removal of the helmet and knowing that you're
going to get a fifteen yard penalty for that, don't care.
And it was maybe it was just a tribute to
the guy who started it all, and that was Joey
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Galloway who would take his helmet off after touchdowns. And
then finally the NCAA was like, we need to stop this.
We need to make a rule about no more taking
your helmet off, so it all goes back thirty plus
years from now.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And so that was.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
A very very believable celebration at the end of this game.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, that was very strategic. That was It reminded me
a little bit of I think it was Jim Otis
in nineteen sixty eight, where it was probably the touchdown
that made it fifty to fourteen and he scores a
touchdown and then punch the ball into the stands because like, yeah, man,
you can't hurt me. Like wait, this book, the score
is what the score is. That you're not going to
change the outcome right now. Yeah, that was That was
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very much a Davis Nickminosen. Knew they were up three scores,
knew that they had the ball, knew there were three
minutes left or whatever, and it was like these fifteen
yards won't hurt. It's fine, Like I'm gonna do it
once better, like you know, just better to get it
out of the way now, like like when we were kids,
like just get the chicken poxes. Get it out of
the way now, it's fine. Just so yeah, you get
got his uh got his money's worth on that one. Yeah.
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That was that was a that was a very IGB
moment I did. While we're talking about celebrations, I did
not see Carnel Tate do the Paul Bunyan Trophy celebration,
which I saw that and I thought, well, I mean,
obviously he knows what that is. That's Michigan players are
doing that during the Michigan State game. But then it's
like so that was like very pointed, like a you
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know that's that's a very unique one. That's not like you,
you know, Brendan and has hit the old silence for
the old Ezekiel Elliott celebration. But that's one that you
see all the time, like the Paul brun New one,
Like no one does the Paul Blunyon Trophy celebration except
for the Michigan Michigan State game. And that felt, that
felt a little pointed that he was that he did
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that one. I had not had not noticed that one
during the during the game. A couple one other just
like man Ryan Day in this game. The emotions of
the coaches in this game, like first of all, Sharon
Moore at the beginning of the game, Sharon Moore is
expressed over the time he's running out of the tunnel.
I have a picture of him looking like he's about
really just like primal screaming running out of the tunnel,
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and he's on the sidelines, yelled and he's throwing his
arms around. And then like ten minutes into the game,
every time they show him on the sidelines, he looked,
he looked like he's literally about to burst into tears.
Like I had the same thought watching Jonathan Smith during
during the Michigan State Michigan game on the sidelines where
just they showed him on the sideline and he's just
looking well like he wanted to cry. And then that
was Sharon Moore on the sideline just the whole game,
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just like he came out like ready to you know,
ready to take over the world. And then as soon
as it was like field goal, field goal, Ohio State
goes back and scores, it was just kind of and
there was was it was I think it was after
they they you knows, it got the ball back late
in the first quarter, and then it was just kind
of like and that was the end of Sean Moore's
emotions for the day. He used them all up and
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then it was going to just be sort of on
weave for the rest of the game. Ryan Day, man,
oh man, I have photos of Ryan Day, like running
down the sidelines. I got photos of Ryan Day pointing.
I've got photos of Ryan Day, like Jaden Fielding kicked
that field goal at the end of that twenty play
drive and Ryan Day. I have a photo of Ryan
Day that looks like he is, you know, Jaden Fielding
has like lost his expensive car at the valet stand
(22:43):
and Ryan Day is letting him have it, except he's
like letting him have it, brackets congratulatory, like way to go, man,
but he just looks like he is feeling it. And
there was My favorite Ryan Day moment is Julian saying
on that scramble in the fourth quarter. He he's saying,
is like scrambling. It was right in the middle of
that twenty play drive, I believe, and he's saying, is
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like scrambling and is going to get the first out.
And Ryan Day you just see him out of the
corner of the screen running down the sideline like pointing
at the first down mark or which I don't know
if he thought that saying might not see it because
it was covered in snow or what. But it was
just it was like Ryan Day, like Ryan Day was
into that game, like into that game.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
He was pointing at the yellow line on the field, saying,
get to that yellow line. That was interesting watching him
meet Julian sitting there. I also wrote down some Serean Moore,
like they don't need to show him after before going
to commercial every time, just showing him yelling or doing whatever. Again,
you've got multiple broadcast partners, Go ahead, and do a
(23:50):
sure own cast if you want, do the Khaki cast.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Enough with the yelling and the facial expressions, they got
a little bit old. One more for me time. No, No,
I mean one other one for me, Brandon Innis only
you've had a few catches in this one. But he
was running routes all game long, and he was leaving TJ.
Metcalf or whomever and in the dust, and they were
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grasping for him. And I still think that his touchdown
catches an incredible drawn, incredibly drawn, well drawn up play
that is clearly and obviously a pick play. I mean
you can't, but.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, they were running a double slant with the receivers
one right in front of the other as one does.
It's Tony, it's he's running route. I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And exactly, I mean, that's your powerless to stop it,
literally and figuratively. And what makes I think one of
the reasons this Ohio State offense is so good is
Brandon Innis is your number four pass option, right, and
then there are plays like that where he is the
number one option, but you're not worried about him as
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you are. Jeremiah Smith and Carnin I'll take you. So
at best he's the defense's number three concern if we're
not even talking about the running game. So at best
he's the defense's number four concern, and your as your
fourth concern is now Ohio State's number one. That's what
they're gonna do. How well are you gonna defend it?
You're not going to defend it very well because you're
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all spread out over the place. And there are other
plays where on third downs he's just completely wide open
because safeties can't get down quickly enough because of the
slant that he's running or the defense that Michigan is running.
And so very very good day by him, even when
he wasn't getting the ball, but when he was also
effective and had a couple of nice punt returns as well.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, I had a couple nice punt returns. It was
two catches for twelve yards for him. But you know,
good blocking on the edge, there was a couple. There
was one where he had I mean like had like
the ceiling block for a long run. It was a
He is a really underappreciated player, and I think he
is maybe kind of the model of the you need
some of these guys on your team, Like you can't
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build the whole plane out of Jeremiah Smith and Carnell
Tait simply because there are not that many of those guys.
But you need a Brandon Innis or two on your
team where he's going to do the dirty work. He's
going to make the tough catches. He was last week,
I think last week when they didn't have either of
those guys, and he had like six catches for thirty yards,
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but like four of them were picking up crucial first
downs on third down or fourth down and tough catches,
and it's like there's just no flash at all, Like
he's a he is a you know, he is a
South Florida Express player, so he has some flash to
his game. But the the plays themselves, the stats, they're
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not splashy at all. It's just move chains, keep it going,
just sort of punch in, punch out. It is really
really impressive, and you know, obviously a very respected leader
on the team as well. That's one of those things
where you know he he is not the stat guy,
but on a team that has loads of leaders, you know,
it's Austin Cyriveld, Brandon Innis, Caleb down's sunny styles like,
(27:15):
that's it. Those are those are your leaders on this team.
Those are your captains on this team, on a team
that is loaded with with you know, veterans and leaders
like that's that to me. To be that in that
kind of role with without having the splashy stats and
the award nominations and all that kind of stuff, that really,
I think tells you a lot. One thing that I
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thought was very interesting to watch in retrospect was gust
and Joel talking about, you know, there's there's eight minutes
still to go in the first half in Michigan's already
become just the second team to reach one hundred yards
rushing against Ohio State this year. Only Texas has done that.
There's still eight minutes to go in the first half,
and obviously, watching with the knowledge of, you know, having
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seen the game before, it was kind of like, wait
a minute, how many yards did they finish with? And
you know, then as soon as you know that the
answer is also one hundred yards. It's like watching one
of those nature documentaries with like, oh, good for that Impala,
he's found a watering hole. Good for you. Oh no, no, no, oh,
this is oh no, oh yeah. It was one hundred
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yards rushing with eight minutes to go in the first half,
zero yards rushing for the rest of the game, negative
eight yards rushing in the second half. I mean, that's
a If you rush for zero yards and also don't
throw for very many yards in the last thirty eight
minutes of a football game, you are not going to
win very many football games. That was and that was
just Ohio State. Just Ohio State controlled the line of scrimmage,
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but Ohio State also just has I have a picture
of Rvel Reese and Caleb Downs and Sunny Styles all
kind of lined up, and it's not even a particularly
good picture because they're sort of facing at a weird angle,
but I put it in the photo gallery anyway because
it's like, well, no one else an American can get
a picture like this of three guys like this who
are going to be potential first round draft picks, and
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they're just all sort of lined up together, just sort
of what are they going to do? I don't know.
I bet it'll be cool. And you had you just
had the Caleb Downs plays, you had the Rvel Reese plays,
and it's just if you know, Michigan had a limited
amount of stuff they could do, and a certain percentage
of that was just going to be like, Nope, that's
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not gonna work. Caleb Downs. Caleb Downs lives here now
and Arville Reese lives here now, and so that's just
going to work. And that is that is you know,
they say defense travels, that is something that is going
to travel. As we're you know, shifting into Indiana mode
later in the week, you know, we've already started watching
a few of those, you know, a few of their games,
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and I'm already watching this and going, you know, well, yeah,
that worked against Oregon, but I don't know how that's
going to work against Ohio State. And that's that is
a luxury. You want to know where I met Patricia's
smiling so much this year, that maybe at least a
part of why he is so happy.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
It was Caleb Downs and knock Jordan Marshall out of
the game, hit him on his right arm, and that
was it. I That was also the last day of
my front page. My first page was the one hundred
yard rushing mark. At the eight oh six mark of
the second quarter. I was like, oh, this is where
the game ends. This is basically where the game nothing
good happens for Michigan after this, and that's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I did, like.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Again, Sunny Styles in this game, you see it live,
but then when you watch it and on TV and
you can rewatch it and you see the replay and
he's flying around, he's tracking Jordan Marshall down from behind,
He's he's zipping in into the backfield and he is
I think he's another guy I said, like Bo Jackson,
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people are gonna be talking more and more about him.
I think the same thing for Sunny Styles because you
can you can do whatever you want with him. There
was there was a time where he is even lined
up over Andrew marsh and it's like in Michigan random bod.
Maybe that's an instance where you need your true freshman
quarterback to be like can we do something about can
can we? You know, we call an audible And maybe
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that's one of the downsides of having a true freshman quarterback.
But he's just very very effective, does not miss tackles,
and is a guy that you just you can count on,
and he's you know, finally got his gold gold pants
and is only seemingly getting better and better. He's not
(31:33):
He's not plateaued. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No. No, he is someone who just as new at
linebacker as he is, he's gonna be. He's going to
continue to learn and continue to develop. He's going to
make an NFL GM very happy in the next next
April and beyond, you know, mentioning send someone lighting up
over Andrew marsh The one Caleb Downs play that I
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thought was like a just holy crap kind of play
was he was towards the end of the game, and
Andrew marsh Is starts running route and Caleb Downs just
kind of like redirects him, just kind of drives him
off his off his route and then comes off of
that and then breaks on the ball and then undercuts
the tight end for you know, no gain or a
(32:17):
you know, a short gain, and he was just like, okay,
well he blew it up there. He blew up the
play in two different places, neither of where I do
you know, I don't know which of them was his
actual primary job, but he did both of them and
just completely blew up that side of the field. So yeah,
that was that was impressive. One thing that I thought
was interesting. I think we talked about this. I don't
think we talked about this on the show last night.
(32:39):
I think we talked about this in the car on
the way home. But Ohio declining the holding penalty that
was going to make it second and fifteen in the
second quarter that turned it into it might have been
even the late first quarter that turned it into a
third and five. And that's so interesting to me. I
kind of would love to just like, this is not
(32:59):
a quiet and you're gonna be able to ask Ryan
Day at this point because you're going to turn the page.
But like, what was the thinking behind that? Because it
felt like the thinking was they're not gonna be able
to fit. You know, five yards is too long to
run and they can't pass. Like that felt what like
the vibe to that on that one and then Michigan
didn't pick it up, and that really felt like that
was kind of the beginning of the end because I
think that was six three. I think that was Michigan's
(33:21):
first drive after Ohio State cut it to six three
and Ohio State stops them and gets the ball back,
and it was just kind of like, well, that's it.
Hope you enjoyed having the lead, because that's probably not
gonna happen again that that was a really interesting choice.
I didn't really talk about it on the broadcast that much.
It was like they almost didn't notice. I didn't hear
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them announce it in the stadium, Like it was just
kind of they called the penalty and all of a
sudden it was third and five, and I just like,
what But we don't always hear stuff on the field,
so I figured I missed something, but it just it
just kind of went unremarked on on the broadcast. But
I thought that was a really interesting decision, but really
something that you know, that was one of those moments
that you want to talk about momentum completely Swinging that
(34:03):
stop on third and five really swung the game well.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
And the Raps are already moving him back and then
Ohio State I had to be like, no, no, no, no,
we're going to decline, and oh okay, then it's it's
third and five. And as I told you in the car,
the national writers one section below us were very like
doubtful that this was a good call, and then afterwards
(34:28):
they're like, oh, well, I guess Ryan Day knows bast
no reason to critique critique that when it worked out
we'll just away for the next one. Did Gabe Van
Sickle play in this offensive line at all? I don't.
I don't know that I ever saw him in this one,
and I guess rewatching it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I didn't necessarily look for him. But I'm wondering, having
now seen Tiger Spoll play pretty well and in the
last couple of games, if if his confidence is at
a at a very good spot right now, at a
very good time right now, and if that's even more
of a confidence pushter that I don't recall there being
any any rotation there, and just interesting that maybe things
(35:08):
are looking up right there for Tagra and the offensive
line is all.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, I saw Fan Sickle out there, but I think
it might have just been for a field goals and
pats and not actually in the game. And he's in
Michigan Native, so that would have been one where you know,
if you're gonna you know, if you're going to play him,
you play him in that one. Like Penn State played
their third string quarterback a bunch when they were playing
Iowa because it was a kid from Iowa. You would
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have seen him, you know, any game other than the
Michigan game. You would have seen him in there, probably
just as a sort of like tip of the cap,
coming back home kind of thing, but you're not going
to mess with it unless you feel like it's in
your best interest in the fact that Tager Hippola is
very clearly now you know, we haven't talked about Josh
Perdia on the show for a few weeks, and he
obviously the injury sort of changed that, but Tager has
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really we haven't talked about Tagra on this show, and
that's you know, that is a good thing that that
you know, he is. He has been in someone whose
name has come up a lot this year, and not
always in great circumstances, but he's been really good the
last couple of years. And you know, this is not
a world beating Michigan defensive line. They they made a
couple plays, but they really, you know, High State was
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able to kind of do what they needed to do
both in pass pro and running the ball. That that
line is really sort of rounding into shape right at
the right time. This is kind of when things sort
of started fall into place last year, was right going
into that Tennessee game, and it feels like, you know,
this is this is a you know, Tyler Bowen, Charlie Dickey,
Marcus Johnson sort of combination, you know, like one of
(36:41):
those collabs Tony. The kids call it a collab, but
they yeah, they have they have really got that line
coming together. One other thing, and I think we may
have talked about this on the show last night, but
the overthrow to Jeremiah Smith on the fade on first
and goal or whatever it was, I think on the
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first time Ohio State had the ball inside the five,
that that needs to happen every time they're down there.
You need to if there is one person on Jeremiah
Smith or Carnel Taate, you need to throw a fade
if they have if the corner has inside leverage, or
you need to throw a quick slant if the corner
has outside leverage. Like that's it. You need to do that.
You don't get any extra points. You get the same
number of points. We're throwing the ball in as opposed
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to running the ball. This is not you know, middle
school football where you get it. You know, you get
an extra point if you throw it like, no, it's
the same number of points. You have a Jeremiah Smith,
they do not. Indiana has a corner. Their best corner
is di Angelo Ponds, Tony. Do you know how tall
the Angelo Pons is? Five foot nine, five foot nine, Tony.
How tall is Jeremiah Smith? Is it taller than that
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or shorter than that?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
It's a good half foot taller than the Angelo Pond's interesting?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Interesting is it gonna be windy inside Lucas Oil Stadium
on Saturday?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Only if they were playing at the hubert Ah Chumprey
Metrodome Minneapolis and they're not.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Okay, good, good, good, okay, and Indiana is pretty good
on run defense, then okay, okay, Well, anyway, we'll we'll
have to take all week to figure out whether it
would be a good idea to throw that ball in
the red zone and in goal to go situations. It
feels like that might have been an opportunity and that
(38:22):
might be something that you see more of in the
future because the one was high, but if the ball
was six inches lower, it would have been a touchdown
on that. They ended up kicking a field goal on
that one. But you know that that feels like news
you can use, as the kids say.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Last thing for me, seeing Philip Daniels at the end
of the game, towards the end of the game, jawing
with the Michigan players. You can tell this guy he's
only been a Buckeye for a year now. I believe
he grew up an Ohio State fan. He sure does
not like Michigan much at all.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
He doesn't like anyone, true fair.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
He will get in it to do it with everybody.
But it was interesting to see the you know, one
of the newest buck guys getting after it with the
There's a lot of talking in this game, and fortunately
there's no no serious fisticuffs, which is always good. I
don't mind a whole bunch of chirping. That's that's gonna
be the way it is. But very good job by
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Ryan Day and Sharon Moore to keep things civil after
the game and let people get out of there without
being pepper sprayed.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, that was as far as an on field experience
post Michigan Ohio State game that this was. This was
substantially better and less tier inducing than last year, so
that was good. My last note was on Caden McDonald
being fullback like I think one thing that you, as
an Ohio State fan should have been picking up over
the course of the last twelve games. Is you need
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more Caden McDonald than your life, because he is. He
is this year's like Robert Landers, wildly oversized personality, like
incredibly likable player in the interior the defensive line. You know,
obviously a phenomenal player, but also just a really likable guy. Uh,
Cad McDonald is fullback. Like I find your ideas intriguing
and Whish just subtribes you Newslater because there is a
(40:08):
world where that ends up with a hand off to
Caden McDonald's for a touchdown, and that is a world
I would like to live in at some point. But
you know, he was unfortunately that was the play where
he the I think the guy he blocked was the
one who got hurt. Where I hate the guy was
down on the field. That was like why you would
And then you watch the replane, it was like, oh
not that was that was not good. But just the
(40:29):
idea of Kate McDonald. He he has that quick, short
area burst where if he can get low, he has
a lot of mass working for him and he has
some pretty good acceleration and just in terms of like
knocking someone knocking a linebacker backwards into the end zone,
I like his odds there. So I saw that and thought, I, yeah,
(40:50):
I could, I could. I could see more of that
and be okay with it. Frankly, he's athletic enough, Tony.
I bet he can catch a football. Listen. I don't
want to tell Ryan Day everything he needs to do
with the goal line, but Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tait, Caden
McDonald those should be your top three targets in the
red zone. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well, plus, we know they're not going to give the
ball to bout Jackson at the goal line. They've done
it once and it's didn't go necessarily all that. Well,
Caden McDonald probably more of a more of a chance
of getting the ball after bo Jackson gets them down
there and they put in CJ. Donaldson for six carries,
maybe maybe give one of those six carries to Caiden
McDonald or perhaps play action to him into the flats
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and or you know what, double flea flicker of some sort,
ninety eight and a round whatever, you know, get them involved.
It gets bored on defense.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
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Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How's it going, Tony? We made it back safely from
ann Arbor. We actually beat the Ohio State football team
back even though they were taking a plane and we
were driving. And also, frankly, we did a longer postgame
show than they did, so you know, and Tony didn't
get pulled over even though he was driving faster than
planes fly apparently, I don't know. So that was a
(00:32):
great job, great job all around by Tony. We had
less of a delay than the Ohio State did. So
there you go.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Who's the real hero?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Me? When is it you? The answer?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Tom.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
So we are here, I think essentially to put Michigan
to bed for a while. We have we have done
a rewatch of the the Ohio State Michigan game. We've
got we've got notes and Binder's full of thoughts that
we didn't get to see live or if you know,
we did see live. There's some things that you know,
remembered us, reminded us of some things, and I've got
(01:07):
some a few of those things. But Tom, can I
tell you. The first thing that should have been a
little bit of a clue that I saw as I'm
watching this broadcast, and it's when Michigan's offense is getting
huddled on the sideline getting ready to take the field
after the kickoff, and Max Brettison is in that huddle
and he starts off running towards the field and then
(01:28):
he comes off, and it's just to me, it was
like the first part of a smoking mirrors plan for Michigan.
It's like, let's make Ohio State think a bunch of things,
none of which are true, and see if we can't
fool them into believing these things. And that was the
first of them too. Have Ohio State response, Oh no,
oh my god, Max Bredison is heading towards the field.
(01:48):
Oh thank god, No, he's not what. I don't know
what to think now, what are they going to come
up with next? And that, to me just reminded me
of like when Ohio State would play a bad team
back in the day, and the bad team would start
off like with the on side kick because they know
like things they're in trouble. It's kind of felt like that.
I was kind of like, hmm, that's it's a bit much.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, they were very clearly leaking through some friendly media
that oh boy, there's gonna be some shocking development in
terms of who's going to play in having lengked left tackle.
He was dressed, he was all warming up. Bretison was
Bretison got off the bus in a boot and with
crutches and then was dressed. And you told me after him.
(02:34):
I didn't even notice him out there in his uniform,
but you told me after the game, might have been
even on the postgame show, and it was like, what, No,
he wasn't. I saw him like I saw him get
off the bus and thought, well, there's no way that
guy's playing today. Unless medical science has a significant leap
forward in the next forty five minutes, there's no way
he's playing. And I have not seen any headlines about that.
(02:55):
So yeah, there was. You know, there's a lot of
subterfus that it was on with this game, so you know,
there's nothing wrong with that. It's not like, oh, they're
doing something dirty or underhanded or anything like that, but
it just is kind of like, well, you're just sort
of throwing some stuff against the ball to see what sticks.
My early game observation, and this is something I never
(03:16):
would have thought in a million years, But this was
kind of Michigan's you know, they didn't come in expecting
to win this game like the like the Buckeyes did
in the game. I'm about the site, but this was
kind of Michigan's two thousand and seven Fiesta Bowl game
where you know, I'll say, ted Gen runs back the
opening kickoff for a touchdown and it's like, oh man,
(03:37):
here we go. And then and then the rest of
the game happened tony three minutes and thirty seconds. At second,
three minutes and thirty seconds into this game, here are
some things that had already happened. The Michigan student section
had already started chanting overrated. Michigan had already forced its
only turnover of the day. They already had their longest
(03:57):
and third longest runs of the day and which is
counted for more than half of their rushing yards for
the total day. And they had their third longest pass
of the day. All of that happened in the first
three minutes and thirty seconds of this football game. Unfortunately
for Michigan, there were another fifty six minutes and thirty
seconds after that that did not go quite as well well.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They also did not have the ball for the rest
of them for those fifty six minutes, basically as Ohio
statey had the ball for forty minutes, and as Tom knows,
the most important statistic in college football is time of possession.
He will will you that years you mentioned those early
runs Michigan picked up not just then, but that they
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had seventy nine yards on their three explosive runs and
their other twenty one carries went for twenty one yards.
Over the course of the game. They had one explosive
pass play which was twenty six yards to Donovan McCauley,
and two triple coverage which really you could tell, and
I wrote about this on Sunday, you could tell that
this was a very concern game plan. They did not
(05:01):
want Bryce Underwood throwing the ball over the middle of
the field, certainly beyond the ten yards or anything like that,
because again, as you like to say, here'll be monsters,
and that was definitely the case for Ohio States defense.
I started charting his passing, it was just like, there's
no no reason to because he had like that was
(05:22):
the only pass that was really meaningfully downfield he had,
you know, the two pass interference calls, which were you know,
we've seen worse get let go. But this is not
something that I learned from rewatching. But again, the passing game,
this was a very very concerned and conservative game plan
(05:43):
by Michigan, and it we were expecting more screens and
things like that, and these were some They threw some
slow developing screens where Ohio State is like, okay, like
give us, give us more time to go blow up
to play behind the line of scrimmage, and we saw
them do that. Whether it's Caleb Downs or Arvel Reice
(06:04):
or sunny styles, this defense is too fast for slow
developing stuff. And frankly, they're too good for the quick
stuff either, which is why you need the downfield stuff
and you didn't have it. And this is something I
wanted to mention during the show the post game, but
I just you know, I was cold. But I saw
a lot of Caleb Downs in the slot over Nick
(06:24):
ma or Andrew Marsh when they would put Marsh in
the slot, and they were putting them all over the
place to try to, I don't know, do something because
but they never really threw to him unless it was
like down the sideline with the two PI calls or
one of the PI calls.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, he had officially zero targets on the stat sheet,
and the only one that I could remember getting thrown
to him was the one that Jermaine Matthews got called
for past interference, and that was if you watched it,
it was like Jermaine Matthews extended his arm and less
Jeremy matt Jermaine Matthews suddenly got much stronger or Andrew
marsh weighs less than he's listed on the roster. I
don't know how he got thrown as that violently off
(06:58):
of his feet because it didn't look like that much show.
But either way, Yeah, whatever, it's it's fine. It's a
past interference call it they're going to make that. That's fine.
But yeah, they was. There was just there was just
not a lot there for Michigan. Offensively. I was surprised
at the fact that Michigan didn't do something else. I mean,
we they run an end around that has been like
(07:20):
the Michigan signature, as you're gonna have the uh, you know,
one wide receiver is going to have one end around
and he's going to get exactly twelve yards, it's gonna
work once and that's gonna be it. And then you're
gonna run a reverse and sometimes that's gonna have a
Fleetlaker tag on it. And just didn't do any of
that stuff. And I think part of that may have
been Ohio State's approach, which number one, Ohio State has
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been very good and very disciplined about staying home on
that stuff all year against everyone. But number two, if
you look, every time Michigan lines up the punt, Ohio
States got his defense out there because Ohio State is
just this is a game where both teams. It felt
like both teams came in kind of knowing like, yeah,
Michigan could win, but they're gonna have to pull off
some nonsense on special teams or you know, get some
turnovers on defense. And so Ohio State, if Ohio States
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approach on special teams was just kind of okay, we're
not gonna, you know, we don't care if you punt
this ball. We just you've got to punt it. We're
gonna make you punt it. We're not gonna, you know,
we are not going to fall for the banana and
the tailpipe on special teams and they didn't and Michigan
didn't even try. Just it just felt like Ohio States
approach maybe pushed Michigan away from maybe trying some of
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that stuff because it was like very obviously not going
to work. But nothing else really worked. It was just
it was kind of a weird game plan, like they
as you said, they didn't do this stuff that I
sort of expected them to do, but nothing they did
really worked. And you know, I saw people saying that, well, boy,
the whole game changed after Jordan Marshall went out, and
it's like maybe, but I you know, I don't. Did
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you think Jordan Marshall was on his way to a
tim biaka Patuca game? I didn't. I didn't. The Ohio
State offensive line, it was, you know, Michigan did some
interesting stuff, blocked up a couple of plays and that
was you know, early and then Ohio it seems like
they adjusted and that was kind of it. So yeah,
I didn't. I did not look at anything and think, well,
that was the one thing that, you know, if only
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this one thing hadn't happened, I've had a whole different outcome.
That just that just looked like a lot like an
Ohio State Michigan game where one team was substantially better
in the trenches on both sides the ball, and that
team won.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And to circle back to the the Jordan Marshall thing,
he got injured, fire re injured, reaggravated five minutes in.
It was going, it was bound to happen, and then
Michigan got the experience of Tony Alfred in this game,
who frequently in the past has not had a deep
enough room to handle. Late November, he lost his top
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two guys this year if you want to include Jordan
Marshall and that, so you're down to your third and
year fourth. Saw him a couple of years ago where
he's putting you know, a few years back where you're
down to a freshman and Xavier Johnson. Then a year
after that, you're you're trying to put Chip train him
in there, and he's running the ball, and he's your answer.
He's a linebacker, you know, came to iOS State to
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play linebacker after being a running back in Arizona State.
And he's your third or fourth guy. So they got
the Tony Alfred experience in this game, which is reaching
very deep into a very shallow bag and hoping for
the best and just not quite working out. And that's
what happened with Michigan in this in this one whereas
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Ohio State is out there playing three guys, playing four
guys frankly, and three of them getting carries and all
of them seeming fresh and Rosie.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, and you know, I think we should just talk
about bo Jackson here, but yeah, to Carlos Laughlin's credit, yeah,
the room is, the room is deep, The room is.
The room has four playable guys, four guys who they
would feel okay giving carries in that game and you know,
taking snaps and game. I mean, you saw Isaiah West
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getting multiple carries in the in the early fourth quarter.
But man, bo Jackson, like this is this is the
bo Jackson that you and I were looking at in
the spring and going like I don't know when, but
this guy is going to be pretty good at some
point relatively soon. And you're just you've kind of seen
his profile sort of round out. It was like, boy,
(11:23):
he's got a good burst through the hole, but you
know it gets you know, he'll he'll get knocked off balance.
Read he isn't seeing the holes where they are, or
maybe they're not being block well enough, a little bit
of all of that earlier in the spring, and then
this was a one. This was one where it was like, oh,
you know he had he has the run where you go,
Oh that was you know, that was like good cutback
to find the find the lane. Oh, that was like
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good burst. You know, the one, the one where he
looked like he was absolute Jimmy Roller looked like you
had him absolutely dead to rights. I think there's on
the second drive where it looks like Jimmy Roller had
him absolutely dead to rights and he like he gave
him the stanky leg and then all of a sudden
took off and then TJ. Metcalf comes flying by and
blocks Jimmy Rolder for him and it's like, yeah, thanks, cool,
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appreciate it and takes off running. And one thing that
you just in terms of a freshman, freshmen have lots
of different personalities, but Jaire Hill was kind of joeing
at Bo Jackson on one play and then that was
I believe the next snap, and jay R. Hill was
the one who ultimately ran Bo Jackson down you know,
thirty five or whatever yards downfield, and Bo Jackson was
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letting him know about it, right after that play, and
it was like, all right, well the freshman has figured out,
the freshman has found his voice, and the freshman has
seemingly found his game. And he was I think he
had a good reception or two as well. He was
useful in the passing game. So yeah, it feels like
he is sort of really sort of finding his role,
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rounding into his role. But they also have the ability
to you know, throw those other guys. And he actually
had a good blitz pick up on one of the
plays as well. It was just it was just kind
of I have a list of like, oh, you know
this was yo, this was a good good this on
this play, and oh look good that on that play,
and it was just kind of like, oh, this was
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you know, he kind of checked all the boxes in
this game.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Boy. Yeah he did.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
The blitz pick up is on my second page, which
led to the past to Will Kasmeric down the seam
on Jimmy Jimmy Rowler because the other linebacker was staying
in was blitzing Bo Jackson. So yeah, four catches, forty
nine yards in this one. He had a twenty three
yarder like on one sideline and then the most impressive
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one was the catch over like he had to turn
and caught, you know, catch it like this, which is
tough for a running back to do, to get it
over his pads, brought it in, picked up a first down,
and you're watching him and I can see maybe next year,
a year after that, where you're talking about a guy
that is going to be approaching like, say, eighteen hundred
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yards of total offense in a season because of the
receiving aspect of what he's done. We've seen him very
effective as an outlet. He's very effective as a second
read guy, second third read guy where you just you
know what, it's easy yards, go get it, where he
could be a thirteen fourteen hundred yard rusher and you know,
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four hundred yard receaved Steven guy, especially over the course
of sixteen games, really becoming a complete back and coming
into this game Michigan game, I felt pretty good about him.
And now I'm not saying he's gonna have like an
Ezekiel Elliott twenty fourteen finished to his season where he's
just running for two hundred yards on everybody, but it's
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gonna be interesting to see because right now he's like
at nine hundred and forty yards rushing after twelve games,
even though he did not play against Texas. I do
wonder if he starts to become a national name, not
just because of bo Jackson, but because of his play
as the postseason goes on.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, he's currently at nine hundred and fifty two yards.
And I just I just pulled that up and had
the oh, these stats have him been updated because it
says he's only played the eleven games, and then you
forget he literally didn't play against Texas to start the year.
And then here are his last five games. Thirteen carries
for one hundred and five yards eight point one against
Penn State, fourteen carries for seventy five yards five point
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four against Purdue, fifteen carries for one hundred and twelve
yards at seven point five against UCLA, nineteen carries for
one hundred and ten yards five point eight against Rutgers,
and twenty two carries for one hundred and seventeen yards
five point three against Michigan. Just say he averages one
hundred yards, which he's he's over that over the last
five games. Say he averages one hundred yards for the
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next four games at Ohio State plays off Ohio State
plays four more games. He's basically in JK. Dobbins freshman
year territory. It's right around there. He might even be
a little bit ahead. I think Dobbins was in that
thirteen ish hundred range fourteen oh three, was it fourteen
oh three? Okay, so yeah, so he's right right in
that neighborhood. Then that's you know, you look at that number,
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and that was a well. JK. Dobbins was an incredibly
you know, really unique running back. And that was also
a season when Ohio State had you know, really he
was it because Mike Weber was really banged up that
year and you really didn't see him a ton. And yeah,
they didn't play fifteen games back then or sixteen games
back then, but it was, you know, still that was
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a boy. You might not see that for a long time.
And then Bo Jackson doesn't literally doesn't play the first
game of the season, and then it is just part
of a rotation coming through. And you know, I know
we did like over unders for his season, and I
think we were trying to be sort of cautious about
not you don't want to say this guy's gonna have
thirteen hundred yards this year, because that's really an unfair
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thing to throw on a true freshman, especially a guy
who's not even starting at the beginning of the year.
But you know, I think I think we set over
unders around seven hundred maybe or six hundred or something
like that and thought like, yeah, he could, he could
absolutely hit those numbers. Then he took a bigger role earlier,
earlier in the season than we were thinking, because it
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just just felt like he vaulted past Donaldson and people's
relatively early in the in the season and took that
starting role. But yeah, he is, he has been, you know,
not not a surprise in that, like wow, where did
this guy come from? But just he got he got
here faster than I thought he might.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Oh, in just one correction on the over under or
the season total, I said six one hundred yard rushing games.
I didn't. I'm sure I didn't say six hundred yards rushing.
I'm pretty sure I said six one hundred yard rushing games.
It may have maybe the audio was bad or the
memories are bad.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But bad on the Buckeye Weekly podcast, Please sir, please,
no one would.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
May have been running a chainsaw at the moment. I
don't know I can't recall you're turning to my turn.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You go ahead, Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I I enjoyed watching IGB in the game, both the
first time and the second time. He gets so involved
in the run game when there's no receiver on his side.
He's like, Okay, I'm now, Caleb Downs, I'm going to
go and make a play against the run. If you
don't want to put a receiver over on my side,
I'll just go do that. Especially if Caleb Downs is
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defending Andrew marsh or whatever. He's very effective at that.
I we were, I was. I left the press box
with like three minutes to go, and we're out and
we have to kind of walk out of the stadium
to get back around to the post game. And as
we're kind of leaving the stadium, you hear this the
crowd roars, and I'm thinking, was that an Ohio State
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roar or was that a Michigan roar? Because I know
most Michigan fans are already out of the stadium, so
I'm like, that was probably an Ohio State roar. And
then I think we finally figured out like there was
maybe an interception, And so I get to the postgame, room,
and I think I asked somebody, Hey, like what happened.
They said, oh, David Snigbinosen intercepted the ball and then
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ran down the field and took his helmet off and
celebrated in the end zone. And I'm like, that makes
complete sense. That is exactly I should have known. I
should have known by the roar that that was an
interception and removal of the helmet and knowing that you're
going to get a fifteen yard penalty for that, don't care.
And it was maybe it was just a tribute to
the guy who started it all, and that was Joey
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Galloway who would take his helmet off after touchdowns. And
then finally the NCAA was like, we need to stop this.
We need to make a rule about no more taking
your helmet off, so it all goes back thirty plus
years from now.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And so that was.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
A very very believable celebration at the end of this game.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, that was very strategic. That was It reminded me
a little bit of I think it was Jim Otis
in nineteen sixty eight, where it was probably the touchdown
that made it fifty to fourteen and he scores a
touchdown and then punch the ball into the stands because like, yeah, man,
you can't hurt me. Like wait, this book, the score
is what the score is. That you're not going to
change the outcome right now. Yeah, that was That was
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very much a Davis Nickminosen. Knew they were up three scores,
knew that they had the ball, knew there were three
minutes left or whatever, and it was like these fifteen
yards won't hurt. It's fine, Like I'm gonna do it
once better, like you know, just better to get it
out of the way now, like like when we were kids,
like just get the chicken poxes. Get it out of
the way now, it's fine. Just so yeah, you get
got his uh got his money's worth on that one. Yeah.
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That was that was a that was a very IGB
moment I did. While we're talking about celebrations, I did
not see Carnel Tate do the Paul Bunyan Trophy celebration,
which I saw that and I thought, well, I mean,
obviously he knows what that is. That's Michigan players are
doing that during the Michigan State game. But then it's
like so that was like very pointed, like a you
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know that's that's a very unique one. That's not like you,
you know, Brendan and has hit the old silence for
the old Ezekiel Elliott celebration. But that's one that you
see all the time, like the Paul brun New one,
Like no one does the Paul Blunyon Trophy celebration except
for the Michigan Michigan State game. And that felt, that
felt a little pointed that he was that he did
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that one. I had not had not noticed that one
during the during the game. A couple one other just
like man Ryan Day in this game. The emotions of
the coaches in this game, like first of all, Sharon
Moore at the beginning of the game, Sharon Moore is
expressed over the time he's running out of the tunnel.
I have a picture of him looking like he's about
really just like primal screaming running out of the tunnel,
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and he's on the sidelines, yelled and he's throwing his
arms around. And then like ten minutes into the game,
every time they show him on the sidelines, he looked,
he looked like he's literally about to burst into tears.
Like I had the same thought watching Jonathan Smith during
during the Michigan State Michigan game on the sidelines where
just they showed him on the sideline and he's just
looking well like he wanted to cry. And then that
was Sharon Moore on the sideline just the whole game,
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just like he came out like ready to you know,
ready to take over the world. And then as soon
as it was like field goal, field goal, Ohio State
goes back and scores, it was just kind of and
there was was it was I think it was after
they they you knows, it got the ball back late
in the first quarter, and then it was just kind
of like and that was the end of Sean Moore's
emotions for the day. He used them all up and
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then it was going to just be sort of on
weave for the rest of the game. Ryan Day, man,
oh man, I have photos of Ryan Day, like running
down the sidelines. I got photos of Ryan Day pointing.
I've got photos of Ryan Day, like Jaden Fielding kicked
that field goal at the end of that twenty play
drive and Ryan Day. I have a photo of Ryan
Day that looks like he is, you know, Jaden Fielding
has like lost his expensive car at the valet stand
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and Ryan Day is letting him have it, except he's
like letting him have it, brackets congratulatory, like way to go, man,
but he just looks like he is feeling it. And
there was My favorite Ryan Day moment is Julian saying
on that scramble in the fourth quarter. He he's saying,
is like scrambling. It was right in the middle of
that twenty play drive, I believe, and he's saying, is
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like scrambling and is going to get the first out.
And Ryan Day you just see him out of the
corner of the screen running down the sideline like pointing
at the first down mark or which I don't know
if he thought that saying might not see it because
it was covered in snow or what. But it was
just it was like Ryan Day, like Ryan Day was
into that game, like into that game.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
He was pointing at the yellow line on the field, saying,
get to that yellow line. That was interesting watching him
meet Julian sitting there. I also wrote down some Serean Moore,
like they don't need to show him after before going
to commercial every time, just showing him yelling or doing whatever. Again,
you've got multiple broadcast partners, Go ahead, and do a
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sure own cast if you want, do the Khaki cast.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Enough with the yelling and the facial expressions, they got
a little bit old. One more for me time. No, No,
I mean one other one for me, Brandon Innis only
you've had a few catches in this one. But he
was running routes all game long, and he was leaving TJ.
Metcalf or whomever and in the dust, and they were
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grasping for him. And I still think that his touchdown
catches an incredible drawn, incredibly drawn, well drawn up play
that is clearly and obviously a pick play. I mean
you can't, but.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, they were running a double slant with the receivers
one right in front of the other as one does.
It's Tony, it's he's running route. I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And exactly, I mean, that's your powerless to stop it,
literally and figuratively. And what makes I think one of
the reasons this Ohio State offense is so good is
Brandon Innis is your number four pass option, right, and
then there are plays like that where he is the
number one option, but you're not worried about him as
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you are. Jeremiah Smith and Carnin I'll take you. So
at best he's the defense's number three concern if we're
not even talking about the running game. So at best
he's the defense's number four concern, and your as your
fourth concern is now Ohio State's number one. That's what
they're gonna do. How well are you gonna defend it?
You're not going to defend it very well because you're
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all spread out over the place. And there are other
plays where on third downs he's just completely wide open
because safeties can't get down quickly enough because of the
slant that he's running or the defense that Michigan is running.
And so very very good day by him, even when
he wasn't getting the ball, but when he was also
effective and had a couple of nice punt returns as well.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, I had a couple nice punt returns. It was
two catches for twelve yards for him. But you know,
good blocking on the edge, there was a couple. There
was one where he had I mean like had like
the ceiling block for a long run. It was a
He is a really underappreciated player, and I think he
is maybe kind of the model of the you need
some of these guys on your team, Like you can't
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build the whole plane out of Jeremiah Smith and Carnell
Tait simply because there are not that many of those guys.
But you need a Brandon Innis or two on your
team where he's going to do the dirty work. He's
going to make the tough catches. He was last week,
I think last week when they didn't have either of
those guys, and he had like six catches for thirty yards,
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but like four of them were picking up crucial first
downs on third down or fourth down and tough catches,
and it's like there's just no flash at all, Like
he's a he is a you know, he is a
South Florida Express player, so he has some flash to
his game. But the the plays themselves, the stats, they're
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not splashy at all. It's just move chains, keep it going,
just sort of punch in, punch out. It is really
really impressive, and you know, obviously a very respected leader
on the team as well. That's one of those things
where you know he he is not the stat guy,
but on a team that has loads of leaders, you know,
it's Austin Cyriveld, Brandon Innis, Caleb down's sunny styles like,
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that's it. Those are those are your leaders on this team.
Those are your captains on this team, on a team
that is loaded with with you know, veterans and leaders
like that's that to me. To be that in that
kind of role with without having the splashy stats and
the award nominations and all that kind of stuff, that really,
I think tells you a lot. One thing that I
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thought was very interesting to watch in retrospect was gust
and Joel talking about, you know, there's there's eight minutes
still to go in the first half in Michigan's already
become just the second team to reach one hundred yards
rushing against Ohio State this year. Only Texas has done that.
There's still eight minutes to go in the first half,
and obviously, watching with the knowledge of, you know, having
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seen the game before, it was kind of like, wait
a minute, how many yards did they finish with? And
you know, then as soon as you know that the
answer is also one hundred yards. It's like watching one
of those nature documentaries with like, oh, good for that Impala,
he's found a watering hole. Good for you. Oh no, no, no, oh,
this is oh no, oh yeah. It was one hundred
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yards rushing with eight minutes to go in the first half,
zero yards rushing for the rest of the game, negative
eight yards rushing in the second half. I mean, that's
a If you rush for zero yards and also don't
throw for very many yards in the last thirty eight
minutes of a football game, you are not going to
win very many football games. That was and that was
just Ohio State. Just Ohio State controlled the line of scrimmage,
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but Ohio State also just has I have a picture
of Rvel Reese and Caleb Downs and Sunny Styles all
kind of lined up, and it's not even a particularly
good picture because they're sort of facing at a weird angle,
but I put it in the photo gallery anyway because
it's like, well, no one else an American can get
a picture like this of three guys like this who
are going to be potential first round draft picks, and
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they're just all sort of lined up together, just sort
of what are they going to do? I don't know.
I bet it'll be cool. And you had you just
had the Caleb Downs plays, you had the Rvel Reese plays,
and it's just if you know, Michigan had a limited
amount of stuff they could do, and a certain percentage
of that was just going to be like, Nope, that's
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not gonna work. Caleb Downs. Caleb Downs lives here now
and Arville Reese lives here now, and so that's just
going to work. And that is that is you know,
they say defense travels, that is something that is going
to travel. As we're you know, shifting into Indiana mode
later in the week, you know, we've already started watching
a few of those, you know, a few of their games,
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and I'm already watching this and going, you know, well, yeah,
that worked against Oregon, but I don't know how that's
going to work against Ohio State. And that's that is
a luxury. You want to know where I met Patricia's
smiling so much this year, that maybe at least a
part of why he is so happy.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
It was Caleb Downs and knock Jordan Marshall out of
the game, hit him on his right arm, and that
was it. I That was also the last day of
my front page. My first page was the one hundred
yard rushing mark. At the eight oh six mark of
the second quarter. I was like, oh, this is where
the game ends. This is basically where the game nothing
good happens for Michigan after this, and that's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I did, like.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Again, Sunny Styles in this game, you see it live,
but then when you watch it and on TV and
you can rewatch it and you see the replay and
he's flying around, he's tracking Jordan Marshall down from behind,
He's he's zipping in into the backfield and he is
I think he's another guy I said, like Bo Jackson,
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people are gonna be talking more and more about him.
I think the same thing for Sunny Styles because you
can you can do whatever you want with him. There
was there was a time where he is even lined
up over Andrew marsh and it's like in Michigan random bod.
Maybe that's an instance where you need your true freshman
quarterback to be like can we do something about can
can we? You know, we call an audible And maybe
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that's one of the downsides of having a true freshman quarterback.
But he's just very very effective, does not miss tackles,
and is a guy that you just you can count on,
and he's you know, finally got his gold gold pants
and is only seemingly getting better and better. He's not
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He's not plateaued. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No. No, he is someone who just as new at
linebacker as he is, he's gonna be. He's going to
continue to learn and continue to develop. He's going to
make an NFL GM very happy in the next next
April and beyond, you know, mentioning send someone lighting up
over Andrew marsh The one Caleb Downs play that I
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thought was like a just holy crap kind of play
was he was towards the end of the game, and
Andrew marsh Is starts running route and Caleb Downs just
kind of like redirects him, just kind of drives him
off his off his route and then comes off of
that and then breaks on the ball and then undercuts
the tight end for you know, no gain or a
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you know, a short gain, and he was just like, okay,
well he blew it up there. He blew up the
play in two different places, neither of where I do
you know, I don't know which of them was his
actual primary job, but he did both of them and
just completely blew up that side of the field. So yeah,
that was that was impressive. One thing that I thought
was interesting. I think we talked about this. I don't
think we talked about this on the show last night.
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I think we talked about this in the car on
the way home. But Ohio declining the holding penalty that
was going to make it second and fifteen in the
second quarter that turned it into it might have been
even the late first quarter that turned it into a
third and five. And that's so interesting to me. I
kind of would love to just like, this is not
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a quiet and you're gonna be able to ask Ryan
Day at this point because you're going to turn the page.
But like, what was the thinking behind that? Because it
felt like the thinking was they're not gonna be able
to fit. You know, five yards is too long to
run and they can't pass. Like that felt what like
the vibe to that on that one and then Michigan
didn't pick it up, and that really felt like that
was kind of the beginning of the end because I
think that was six three. I think that was Michigan's
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first drive after Ohio State cut it to six three
and Ohio State stops them and gets the ball back,
and it was just kind of like, well, that's it.
Hope you enjoyed having the lead, because that's probably not
gonna happen again that that was a really interesting choice.
I didn't really talk about it on the broadcast that much.
It was like they almost didn't notice. I didn't hear
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them announce it in the stadium, Like it was just
kind of they called the penalty and all of a
sudden it was third and five, and I just like,
what But we don't always hear stuff on the field,
so I figured I missed something, but it just it
just kind of went unremarked on on the broadcast. But
I thought that was a really interesting decision, but really
something that you know, that was one of those moments
that you want to talk about momentum completely Swinging that
(34:03):
stop on third and five really swung the game well.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
And the Raps are already moving him back and then
Ohio State I had to be like, no, no, no, no,
we're going to decline, and oh okay, then it's it's
third and five. And as I told you in the car,
the national writers one section below us were very like
doubtful that this was a good call, and then afterwards
(34:28):
they're like, oh, well, I guess Ryan Day knows bast
no reason to critique critique that when it worked out
we'll just away for the next one. Did Gabe Van
Sickle play in this offensive line at all? I don't.
I don't know that I ever saw him in this one,
and I guess rewatching it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I didn't necessarily look for him. But I'm wondering, having
now seen Tiger Spoll play pretty well and in the
last couple of games, if if his confidence is at
a at a very good spot right now, at a
very good time right now, and if that's even more
of a confidence pushter that I don't recall there being
any any rotation there, and just interesting that maybe things
(35:08):
are looking up right there for Tagra and the offensive
line is all.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, I saw Fan Sickle out there, but I think
it might have just been for a field goals and
pats and not actually in the game. And he's in
Michigan Native, so that would have been one where you know,
if you're gonna you know, if you're going to play him,
you play him in that one. Like Penn State played
their third string quarterback a bunch when they were playing
Iowa because it was a kid from Iowa. You would
(35:35):
have seen him, you know, any game other than the
Michigan game. You would have seen him in there, probably
just as a sort of like tip of the cap,
coming back home kind of thing, but you're not going
to mess with it unless you feel like it's in
your best interest in the fact that Tager Hippola is
very clearly now you know, we haven't talked about Josh
Perdia on the show for a few weeks, and he
obviously the injury sort of changed that, but Tager has
(35:57):
really we haven't talked about Tagra on this show, and
that's you know, that is a good thing that that
you know, he is. He has been in someone whose
name has come up a lot this year, and not
always in great circumstances, but he's been really good the
last couple of years. And you know, this is not
a world beating Michigan defensive line. They they made a
couple plays, but they really, you know, High State was
(36:18):
able to kind of do what they needed to do
both in pass pro and running the ball. That that
line is really sort of rounding into shape right at
the right time. This is kind of when things sort
of started fall into place last year, was right going
into that Tennessee game, and it feels like, you know,
this is this is a you know, Tyler Bowen, Charlie Dickey,
Marcus Johnson sort of combination, you know, like one of
(36:41):
those collabs Tony. The kids call it a collab, but
they yeah, they have they have really got that line
coming together. One other thing, and I think we may
have talked about this on the show last night, but
the overthrow to Jeremiah Smith on the fade on first
and goal or whatever it was, I think on the
(37:03):
first time Ohio State had the ball inside the five,
that that needs to happen every time they're down there.
You need to if there is one person on Jeremiah
Smith or Carnel Taate, you need to throw a fade
if they have if the corner has inside leverage, or
you need to throw a quick slant if the corner
has outside leverage. Like that's it. You need to do that.
You don't get any extra points. You get the same
number of points. We're throwing the ball in as opposed
(37:24):
to running the ball. This is not you know, middle
school football where you get it. You know, you get
an extra point if you throw it like, no, it's
the same number of points. You have a Jeremiah Smith,
they do not. Indiana has a corner. Their best corner
is di Angelo Ponds, Tony. Do you know how tall
the Angelo Pons is? Five foot nine, five foot nine, Tony.
How tall is Jeremiah Smith? Is it taller than that
(37:45):
or shorter than that?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
It's a good half foot taller than the Angelo Pond's interesting?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Interesting is it gonna be windy inside Lucas Oil Stadium
on Saturday?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Only if they were playing at the hubert Ah Chumprey
Metrodome Minneapolis and they're not.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Okay, good, good, good, okay, and Indiana is pretty good
on run defense, then okay, okay, Well, anyway, we'll we'll
have to take all week to figure out whether it
would be a good idea to throw that ball in
the red zone and in goal to go situations. It
feels like that might have been an opportunity and that
(38:22):
might be something that you see more of in the
future because the one was high, but if the ball
was six inches lower, it would have been a touchdown
on that. They ended up kicking a field goal on
that one. But you know that that feels like news
you can use, as the kids say.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Last thing for me, seeing Philip Daniels at the end
of the game, towards the end of the game, jawing
with the Michigan players. You can tell this guy he's
only been a Buckeye for a year now. I believe
he grew up an Ohio State fan. He sure does
not like Michigan much at all.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
He doesn't like anyone, true fair.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
He will get in it to do it with everybody.
But it was interesting to see the you know, one
of the newest buck guys getting after it with the
There's a lot of talking in this game, and fortunately
there's no no serious fisticuffs, which is always good. I
don't mind a whole bunch of chirping. That's that's gonna
be the way it is. But very good job by
(39:18):
Ryan Day and Sharon Moore to keep things civil after
the game and let people get out of there without
being pepper sprayed.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, that was as far as an on field experience
post Michigan Ohio State game that this was. This was
substantially better and less tier inducing than last year, so
that was good. My last note was on Caden McDonald
being fullback like I think one thing that you, as
an Ohio State fan should have been picking up over
the course of the last twelve games. Is you need
(39:46):
more Caden McDonald than your life, because he is. He
is this year's like Robert Landers, wildly oversized personality, like
incredibly likable player in the interior the defensive line. You know,
obviously a phenomenal player, but also just a really likable guy. Uh,
Cad McDonald is fullback. Like I find your ideas intriguing
and Whish just subtribes you Newslater because there is a
(40:08):
world where that ends up with a hand off to
Caden McDonald's for a touchdown, and that is a world
I would like to live in at some point. But
you know, he was unfortunately that was the play where
he the I think the guy he blocked was the
one who got hurt. Where I hate the guy was
down on the field. That was like why you would
And then you watch the replane, it was like, oh
not that was that was not good. But just the
(40:29):
idea of Kate McDonald. He he has that quick, short
area burst where if he can get low, he has
a lot of mass working for him and he has
some pretty good acceleration and just in terms of like
knocking someone knocking a linebacker backwards into the end zone,
I like his odds there. So I saw that and thought, I, yeah,
(40:50):
I could, I could. I could see more of that
and be okay with it. Frankly, he's athletic enough, Tony.
I bet he can catch a football. Listen. I don't
want to tell Ryan Day everything he needs to do
with the goal line, but Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tait, Caden
McDonald those should be your top three targets in the
red zone. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well, plus, we know they're not going to give the
ball to bout Jackson at the goal line. They've done
it once and it's didn't go necessarily all that. Well,
Caden McDonald probably more of a more of a chance
of getting the ball after bo Jackson gets them down
there and they put in CJ. Donaldson for six carries,
maybe maybe give one of those six carries to Caiden
McDonald or perhaps play action to him into the flats
(41:33):
and or you know what, double flea flicker of some sort,
ninety eight and a round whatever, you know, get them involved.
It gets bored on defense.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
That's our think things we've learned from rewatching this well
High State Michigan game. High State still wins twenty seven
to nine. In case you're wondering if you were watching
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