December 3, 2025 • 27 mins
Buckeye Weekly Podcast: Analyzing Indiana's Path to the Big Ten Championship
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr dive into Indiana's 30-20 victory over Oregon from October. They discuss the key moments and players that made a difference in the game and what it could mean for Indiana as they face Ohio State in the upcoming Big Ten Championship game. Key topics include the standout performances of Indiana's linebackers, the aggressive strategy of coach Curt Cignetti, and how Indiana's defense compares to Ohio State's. Tune in for an in-depth analysis and predictions on this highly anticipated matchup!
00:00 Introduction and Game Overview
01:17 Indiana's Defense Shines
02:30 Linebacker Spotlight: Isaiah Jones
05:16 Indiana's Defensive Line and Secondary
14:13 Ohio State's Offensive Challenges
23:02 Special Teams and Final Thoughts
In this episode of the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, hosts Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr dive into Indiana's 30-20 victory over Oregon from October. They discuss the key moments and players that made a difference in the game and what it could mean for Indiana as they face Ohio State in the upcoming Big Ten Championship game. Key topics include the standout performances of Indiana's linebackers, the aggressive strategy of coach Curt Cignetti, and how Indiana's defense compares to Ohio State's. Tune in for an in-depth analysis and predictions on this highly anticipated matchup!
00:00 Introduction and Game Overview
01:17 Indiana's Defense Shines
02:30 Linebacker Spotlight: Isaiah Jones
05:16 Indiana's Defensive Line and Secondary
14:13 Ohio State's Offensive Challenges
23:02 Special Teams and Final Thoughts
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom. How's it going, Tony?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We get to talk about a game that you and
I watched together in well the end of this game anyway,
in the press box at Illinois in early early October.
And this was the moment that I went, oh, oh,
Indiana football might legitimately win a national championship at some point,
Like this was the moment where to me, they went
from like oh, that's a great story, Like what an
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inspirational tale, Like you could make a Disney movie about this.
It's going to be amazing too, Like oh, oh, okay,
I see this team might actually be able to do
the stuff that Kurt Signetty clearly believes they can do.
And he you know, at this point like yeah, I
can see it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, this is the moment I deleted my burner account
on Twitter. While all I did was just bash Indiana
and called them frauds. I was like, well, no more
use for this account. They look pretty real to me,
and so then I started another account. I'm not going
to tell anybody what it is, but yeah, it's still
bashing Indiana I'm just.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Kidding basketball this time, and that's fine. You keep that alive.
That's not a problem.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And right now, Indiana's a football school, so the fans
are okay with that. Let's so we did. We watched
the Oregon Indiana Oregon game again. And I want to
start off with defense because it's the same guy we
started off talking about in the show when we talked
about Indiana versus Iowa. Because I've even got him starred
at the top and I've got him through all the
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way throughout my notes, linebacker Isaiah Jones, and he's said it,
he's around the ball. Do I have game winning interception there?
Did he do something as well there? Like yes, he's everywhere.
He can rush the past her, he he'll blitz well,
he'll blow plays up. He's a round the ball. He's
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the guy that when we do what we'll be talking about,
you know, maybe like five players to watch. He's going
to be on this one because you're gonna see him
like this forty six guy. Get him out of there.
He's always screwing the he's screwing up our plans. Like
if you know he'd be like you're the Scooby Doo
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like villain and you're complaining about Isaiah Jones constantly. You know,
you've ruined my ability to take over the amusement park.
And he's that kind of guy and he doesn't need
to do it for Scooby Snacks. He just does it
because he wants the football.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, he had there was a fourth down play that
he blew up in this game. He had a play
where he just completely collaborate a running back who was
in pass pro picked up a sack. You saw him constantly,
just you know, he's he's in the backfield. He's like
the balls way over on the sideline. He's there. He
had the game clinching interception after Indiana took a thirty
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to twenty lead. Indiana had two interceptions on basically like
two straight plays for you know, an offense for Oregon
towards the end of the game. Yeah, Isaiah Joe's I
said all the nice words on the last show, so
you've heard them already. Listen to them on the Iowa show,
Aidan Fisher linebacker. He is phenomenal. Number four. And those
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are two linebackers we haven't talked about. Their leading tackler
and leading soacker. Who's Elijah Hardy number twenty one, so
he's just a sophomore linebacker. They have it. I mean,
this is the best linebacker unit. I'm I know, we
watch Ohio State every week. Outside of Ohio State. This
is the best linebacker unit I've seen all year. And
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you know, no disrespect to those guys, because one of
the guys that in that Ohio State linebacker unit is
quite possibly going to be the first player or if
not the first quarterback taken in the NFL Draft, and
the other one might go in the first round as well.
I don't know that Indiana has those kinds of guys.
But like, man, oh man, the linebackers are really good
and they're they're you know, really dynamic. It's not just like, well,
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these guys can plug the hole, so good luck running
you know ice against these guys, Like no, then they
can go sideline to sideline they were to fit. You're
active in the pass game, they can pass rush like
this is a really really good linebacker unit and that
you know, it always starts up front. But man, o man,
a lot of it what Indiana does runs through those linebackers.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And you said it on the last show We're talked
about the Iowa game. Aiden Fisher gets most of the attention.
I sometimes think he gets too much attention because he
can read the play and he can see the player
Kenoy's get there, and that's true for any linebackers. Sometimes
he just there's just a lot going on, gets caught
up and the offensive line or whatnot. But together, they
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all work very well together. And I don't know that
Oregon took as much advantage against the three of them
playing together as I would have thought that they could.
But the one play Manchige kind of mentioned about Isaiah
Jones on a blitz he just ran through Jordan Davison
and Jordan Davison true freshman running back why State fans
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might remember from recruiting. But they're just very physical, all
three of them. And if they I don't think they
actually see running backs when they're blitzing. It's just like, well,
they don't care about them. I'll say that they're just
gonna They're gonna keep keep going right through them. Another aspect,
Kellen Wyatt stood out to me and I went and looked.
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He's defensive outside linebacker. Went I was like, this guy, boy,
he's he's showing up all over the place, and then
I going, look, he's I only played in seven games.
He only plays in like one more game after this,
and then he's out for the season. You're like, boy,
that's a tough loss because this guy was all over
the place as well, and it's not like they've continued
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to step up. And boy, the guy that eventually replaces him,
Stephen Daily, has had ten tackles for loss in the
last three weeks. He's leading I think probably leading the
Big Ten with eighteen tackles for loss, but ten of
them being in Indiana's last three games. So you know,
we talk about the competitive excellence of Ohio State. The
next man up, Indiana has done that. But you wonder
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how things will be going with Kellen White because right
away he's standing out and it's unfortunate that he's not there.
But you'll see Indiana in a three man front, four
man front, five man front, moving all around, and they're
very they're very comfortable with everything they're doing.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, they they are. They will throw a ton of
looks at you. They're gonna throw a ton of twists
and stunts at you up front, and that's that's something
that o'hio State really struggled with earlier in the year,
and it feels like they've come a long way in
the last couple of weeks. This is going to be
a great test for the Ohio State offensive line. But
you know, I think someone like Daily is he's number
eight on the defensive line. He is someone who is
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maybe a maybe one of the best testaments to this
this staff can find talent anywhere. Do you know where
he was playing last year, Stephen Daily?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Is this not? Is this not Kent State?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Now Kent State? Yes, Kent State. He was on the
the zero win Kent State team that was like one
of the worst teams in FBS maybe last decade or so.
And then this year eighteen tackles for lost leading the team.
He had He in this game had tipped a pass
that led to an interception late that was the second interception,
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that was the one that that Isaiah Jones ended up
picking off that really kind of sealed the game. And yeah,
it was it was. You know, he's impressive. You see
him all the time up front. Tyreek Tucker, number ninety
five defensive tackle, ten tackles for loss for him, He's
one of those guys who came over from James Madison.
There was an early fourth down that you know, you know,
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Dan Lenning loves to go forward and fourth down he
blew up one of those. He is going to be
someone who Ohio State's going to have to work to
run the ball inside against this Indiana defense, and they're
gonna have to work to run the ball outside against
this all Indiana defense. Like it's this is going to
be a real challenge where you know, last week, go
back and listen to the shows before last week's Michigan game.
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We're letting you know Michigan is a little white in
the pants in the middle of the of the defensive
defensive line, not saying that this week this is going
to be this is going to be a challenge to
run the ball against this Indiana in defensive front.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, it's interesting, interesting because you got defensive ends
that are like six to one and it's because they're
not blue chippers, but they they they have all of
the the want to and then they develop and they
are talented. They're just not ideal. So some school's be like, sorry,
you can't play at our level. And then like Michael Kamara,
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who last year fifteen tackles for lost ten tackles ten sacks.
This year he's only got like a sacond half and
like four and a half tackles for lost, something like that.
And then on the two Monday Monday Players teleconference, it
was mentioned that he's like leading the nation in pressures
and it's like, well, I guess he must be pretty
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good still even though his numbers the sacks aren't there,
he's still getting after it. And it's it's an unselfish group,
which we've we've heard that from Ohio State all season long.
So they're the defensive line. They're fitting in Tucker ninety seven.
I believe he's during ninety five like they they're I
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just said, they're big, they don't look like you can
just push them over. And they held oregonst eighty one
yards rushing and twenty six that came on one carry
and everybody else the long rush was like seven yards.
And so it's it's not going to be an easy thing.
Ohio State doing very very well right now running the ball.
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So this is this is where you would win Ohio
State to be at this point if you're going to
be playing in Indiana defense like this, And then Tom,
let's talk about the secondary di Angelo Pond's the corner.
I'm looking through my notes. I don't know that they
even really went after him much. And it's funny because
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I was looking at my you know, before I start
watching the game, I look at the box score, and
he did not play in the Iole game. But it's
like he had no stats and I didn't know he
didn't play until you know, I researched it. But it's like, oh,
no stats. Boy, they really avoided him, and it's like, yeah,
they most teams probably do. And then they go to
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his counterpart twenty two Jamari Sharp, and you know, he's
he's looks like he's long, he's got, he's lengthy, he's
not shy. I don't think he's the what the fish,
you know, he's he's not D'Angelo Ponce, So you're gonna
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go after him. And there weren't some times where it's like, okay,
but we haven't seen anybody necessarily get after them deep successfully.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yet, have we? No, you know, Ponds, I think that
they sort of like with the Angelo Ponds is he's
listed at five nine one seventy three, Tony, What do
you know about corners who are listed at five to.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Nine usually about five eight.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Tops hotel ore Ohio States wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Uh, well you get a six two, you got a
six three, you got a six four, like yeah, Jeremiah
Smith listened to six three. Colonel Tate listened at six
to two. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Can those guys jump it all.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
A little bit a little bit and then sometimes they
can jump even higher by like reach even hired by
just using the one hand to catch the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, interesting. Jamori Sharp, we didn't talk about him on
the Iowa show, but you know this is this is Iowa,
so you're sort of correcting for Iowa. He gave up
a couple first down passes kind of in the mid range,
you know, nothing didn't get beat deep, but had you know,
gave up a couple sort of like twelve to twenty
yard completions against Iowa, which you know, correcting for the
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fact that it's Iowa, that's like whooh boy. And then
he had another one where he got there early and
didn't get called for pass interference. So that that would
be you know, not a like looming disaster, but like
a you like watch this space, maybe uh that that
may be something at Ohio you know, there's not there's
not like a ton of spots that you kind of
go like, this is where you want to attack, So
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you know that that would be where I would kind
of start thinking. And Amari Ferrell with safety number one,
he they they found some they found something with him
where they started running tempo, he got to like out
of position and gave up a long touchdown for Oregon's
first score. They got a quick hitter against him in
the two minute draw right before halftime as well. That's
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one where you might see Ohio State do some stuff
with formation too. You know, if especially if Indiana's gonna
try and play three wide three linebackers because they've got
three great linebackers. That means you know, if you're playing
three linebackers, unless you're in three three, then you're you know,
probably not gonna have your nickel out there. So then
you might get a safety in a wide receiver and
then if you put what you know, Tate or Smith inside,
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you can get a match up there. That just that
feels like something Ohio State might be able to scheme
something up there. So that's that's another like this is
this is not a glaring weakness where we are really
kind of nitpicking here because this is again, this is
a very good Indiana defense, number two in the nation.
But you know, no disrespect to you know, Iowa, Ohio
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State's a little more dynamics than them in the passing game,
and they're really frankly more dynamic than organ Is in
the passing game this year because Oregon has some talent
at wide receiver, but the talent is young and Dante
Moore is not quite as accurate as Julian saying is,
so I you know that that feels like, especially indoors,
fast dry track, that feels like Ohio State might be
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able to find something there.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Well. Dante Moore in this game twenty one to thirty
four for one hundred and eighty six yards. I feel
like if Ohio State's throwing them all thirty four times,
are completing twenty one passes, they're going to come out
with them quite a bit more than one hundred and
eighty six yards. I think anything else defense that we
wanted to talk about three trips into the red zone
for Oregon, no touchdowns that' said, that's very good job
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by the defense. If you can continue to do that,
you're probably going to win, as Ohio State found out
this past weekend. You want to move to the offense.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Sure. And one thing that I loved, One of my
favorite things from this game was during the postgame interview
where I forgot who the sideline reporter was, but she said,
you have attack, attack written on your hand, which I
thought was really phenomenal. And you know, I mean, it's
Kurtz Signety does not feel like someone who needs to
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be reminded to attack, attack, attack. But again, a lot
like the Indiana the Iowa game where they were very
aggressive before halftime. Once again, this is like twenty four second,
they're deep in keeping their own end. They're throwing the
ball like he is not going to twenty four seconds,
like he is not going to let that go to waste.
He is going to try to make something happen there.
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And that is just sort of the full sophy, you know,
that sort of feels like it's guiding him, he's you know,
it reminds me a little bit of Kevin Kelly, who
is the guy who is like the famous Arkansas high
school football coach who never punted on fourth down, like
virtually never punted on fourth down, and how that mindset
completely changed his approach. Now, Signette's not you know, going
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forward on fourth and eight in his own end. You
know that's that's not exactly the same thing, But just
that mindset changes how you're going to approach things, and
you're you're going to approach if if you're going to
be attacking, you're going to be approaching things a little
bit differently and a little more aggressively, and that can
set you up for success if you're willing to take
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more chances, because again, this is a team that is
not going to just be able to purely out talent
you in terms of we have all these wide receivers
and they're all six foot thirteen and they can all
jump out of the gym, and like, they don't have
quite that same level of talent. It's they do an
incredible job of talent evaluation and development. And they have
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turned a roster full of like three stars and James
Madison transfers into the number two team in the nation. So, like,
please do not take this as me saying that they
don't have good players. They have identified and developed some
incredible players. But also when you're playing a game like
a team like Ohio State and the other team has
cheap players that are a little bit bigger and a
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little bit faster. You're going to have to be aggressive.
I think you were going to see an incredibly aggressive
approach from Kurtzignetti in this in this game.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
On Saturday, we talked about the guards and the right
side of the offensive line in the Iowa Show, and
there was a moment where Bray Lynch, the right guard
got pushed into a sack in this game, basically just
bull rushed by Oregon defensive tackles and thew Organ defensive
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tackles gave Indiana fits in this one and just like
almost picked him up like a child and just slammed
him into Fernando Mendoza for the sack. And it was
eye opening. And Organ was also doing some stuff for
just late motion, late shifting from you know, over to
another gap. And it caused five fall starts, four or
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five fall starts in this one for the Indiana offense
and the offensive line. So this was not the best
game for the Indiana offensive line. And when you look
at what they did, they rushed for one hundred and
eleven yards long long rush of just fourteen yards, but
that Roman Henby had a fourteen yarder, Kaylon Black had
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a fourteen yard of their two top their two running backs,
and Fernando Mendoza had a fourteen yarder. Like they're all
capable of that, but you know, only one hundred and
eleven yards. It was good enough. I think you mentioned
the aggressiveness. They were oh for three on fourth downs
against Iowa, oh for one again on fourth downs in
this game. But they're just gonna keep just keep firing.
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Doesn't matter if if they don't get it this time,
that doesn't mean they won't get it next time. I'm
not sure they remember any of their fourth downs that
they didn't get They're just gonna keep you attacking with
the memory of a good cornerback. Basically, I've never been beaten.
I don't know what you talk about. I've never I've
never failed on fourth down. I don't know what you're
talking about. But I was impressed by the the Orgon
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defensive line's ability to clog some things up.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah. I look at this whole game and basically I
was I'm taking these notes and I'm like, I have
taken all of these notes before, Like Bray Lynch, the
right guard, like I had the same play written down like, yeah,
that's that's a concern. Khalil Benson, the right tackle got
beat her on the edge with a speedbrush. I mean,
it just it's just it's the same guys just sort
of see it and going like, eh, that feels like
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that might be a concern. But on the on the
flip side, Kaylon Black runs really hard, good burst. He
was the one who fumbled this time. Henby fumbled. In
the previous one, Black fumbled, they went out of bound
it and then it matter. But we've now seen bothrunning
backs fumbled in the last two games that we've watched.
Hemby at one point rand because ran over Dylan Thieneman,
who is a good safety. That's the safety who transferred
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from Perdue to Oregon and Ohio State was in on
he transferred and and he got He just got trucked
by Hemby and was you know good in the passing
game as well. He saw break a tackle, good burst
there as well. And this you know, this is not
Ted Gin in terms of track speed or anything like that.
But I mean they just are good players who run hard.
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And Omar Cooper, you know, once again, lots of screens,
little quick hitters, just very reliable, steady, good hands can
make him miss lots of back shoulder Elijah Surat. I
mean it's a it's all the same stuff that we
said on the last show. Bernando Mendoza a better runner
than you'd think, but you know, QB drawing the red
zone another one on third and three, but then also
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throws off his back foot when he got pressure in
his face, floats it. It's a pick six, and you know,
but just lots of screens and RPOs and back shoulders
from him, and you know, I think they're there. It's
not like it's a simple offense. It's not like it's
basic offense, but it's you know, they give him throws
where you're you're setting it up like this is this
is what a good offense is. You're setting it up
so that you're not making him throw into a ton
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of tight windows. That's he's got a lot of stuff
where he's set up to he's set up to succeed,
and he cashes in on that. But yeah, it is
I feel like at this point, we've now watched what
three of these games, and it's like I feel like
we're kind of dialing in on we can usually you
can usually watch two three games, and it's kind of
like you see these kind of consistent themes develop. I'm
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interested watch one later in the season because this is like, okay,
this is this is what the issues were in late September,
early October. I'm interested to watch one from November to
sort of see, okay, how have things sort of changed.
The other thing that I thought was very interesting about
Khalil Benz in the right tackle, he started his career
at Indiana, played three years at Indiana, then went to
Colorado for one year, and now it's back at Indiana.
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So his fifth year with you know, like like a
study of study, a broad kind of year in Colorado
in the middle.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
For Nanda Mendoza twenty and thirty one four two hundred
and fifteen yards, a touchdown, an interception, and a sack
long of just twenty nine yards. Leigester eight catches, one
hundred and twenty one yards, one touchdown, thirteen targets, Omar
Cooper seven for fifty eight with eight targets along of
just eleven. And sometimes that's what you're gonna get from
Omar Cooper. But don't let the nine yards per catch,
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you know, Debrail, you from knowing like, oh, well, he
picked up eight yards on third and seven. He picked
up six yards on third and five, And that's kind
of what he is capable of doing out of the
slot and really the tight end, I don't know, not
a main character in this offense in terms of the
passing game, and as kind of maybe an average ish blocker.
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I don't want to be disrespectful, but just watching him
a little bit, you know good enough, certainly, and when
you ever running game that's effective, everybody is doing their part.
Anything else from the offense that you wanted to touch
down before you talk about a fifty eight yardfield goal.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, we need to talk about the fifty eight yardfield goal.
But they do have a couple of wide receivers who
we haven't talked about yet, EJ.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
E J.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Williams he had, He had a couple, yeah, EJ. Way
of number seven. He had a nice long sideline pass
that was against Iowa and had another long shot there.
He didn't do much in this game, but then he
missed the Purdue game. His status for this weekend's a
little unclear. We talked about Charlie Becker on the show
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that we did about Penn state, that's the other wide
receiver at number eighty. He becomes a main character later
on in this season, So we'll get to him once
we get a little further into the season.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But yeah, what you say, Tom, is he the Koi
or the Vans?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Boy? Oh? I think he's He's got strong Koy energy,
I think. Don't you sure?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean for sure?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So yeah, and and so we do need to talk
about the about the special teams, because man, it was eventful.
Indiana's special teams are eventful. We will say that, and
they like they're the place. Kicking has been phenomenal this
year for Indiana. Nico Radiicich, who is their kind of
like normal field goal kicker, thirteen for thirteen on field
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goals this season along of just forty six. But you know,
anything from you know, if you're if you're automatic from
forty six and in, that will cover a lot of
you a lot of it. There's kickoff guy Frankie. He
came in and drolled a fifty was it fifty six
or fifty eight? Fifty six eight fifty eight yard er
right before halftime, which you know, if you've got that
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club in your bag, that's a nice thing. To that's
a nice thing to be able to to pull out
if you need it. And again like that's a very
aggressive right before halftime. And they got three points against
Iowa by just doing just being very aggressive coming out
at halftime right before halftime, and three points against Oregon
in two games that were pretty pretty darn closed where
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those points really mattered. So you may see a very
aggressive approach again from krit Signetty before halftime this weekend.
Punting not great, not not tremendous. Mitch McCarthy is their punter,
averaging forty point three yards per punt. That's like a
yard and change lower than Joe McGuire, Ohio States punter,
and they've punted basically the same number of times, So
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Carthy twenty four, McGuire twenty one. This year they did
on special teams. Like we talked on the last show
about them blocking a punt against Iowa, they almost got
one in the fourth quarter of this game. And they
also had one where Dan Lanning was like very clearly
on his Dan Lanning nonsense and they tried to do
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like the punter rolls out and is he gonna just run,
He's gonna he's gonna oh, Look, he still got the ball,
he hasn't punted it yet. Is he gonna run? And
Indiana was very disciplined, stayed home and forced them to
kick that, But yeah, it was overall outside of the punt.
Indiana's special teams look very impressive and that, you know,
that sort of matches up with what you see on
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the advanced analytics systems. Ohio State special teams are sixty
eighth in the country. Indiana's thirtieth in the country, so
that's a yeah, you know, not the single greatest. This
is not Frank Beemer late nineties Virginia Tech special teams,
but there they are pretty good special teams, which goes
pretty well with a pretty good offense and a pretty
(25:28):
good defense.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
You mentioned Brendan Frankie is the long field goal kicker.
Apparently is also the short field goal kicker because he
kicked the twenty two yarder to make it thirty to
twenty with two minutes to go, So maybe he's the
short and the long guy and this one and then
the last thing for me this season, everybody talks about
a higher state's pace of play, and it seems like
Indiana plays much faster and is more aggressive. In Big
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Ten play, Indiana has two more snaps on offense than
Ohio State this year. So just one last thing to
throw the throw out there for you. A very impressive
win at Oregon that a lot of people didn't think
Indiana could get, and many of the people who did
were just like, sure, why not, let's let's let's see
if it can happen. And it absolutely did, and now
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Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony
Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom. How's it going, Tony?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We get to talk about a game that you and
I watched together in well the end of this game anyway,
in the press box at Illinois in early early October.
And this was the moment that I went, oh, oh,
Indiana football might legitimately win a national championship at some point,
Like this was the moment where to me, they went
from like oh, that's a great story, Like what an
(00:35):
inspirational tale, Like you could make a Disney movie about this.
It's going to be amazing too, Like oh, oh, okay,
I see this team might actually be able to do
the stuff that Kurt Signetty clearly believes they can do.
And he you know, at this point like yeah, I
can see it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, this is the moment I deleted my burner account
on Twitter. While all I did was just bash Indiana
and called them frauds. I was like, well, no more
use for this account. They look pretty real to me,
and so then I started another account. I'm not going
to tell anybody what it is, but yeah, it's still
bashing Indiana I'm just.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Kidding basketball this time, and that's fine. You keep that alive.
That's not a problem.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And right now, Indiana's a football school, so the fans
are okay with that. Let's so we did. We watched
the Oregon Indiana Oregon game again. And I want to
start off with defense because it's the same guy we
started off talking about in the show when we talked
about Indiana versus Iowa. Because I've even got him starred
at the top and I've got him through all the
(01:34):
way throughout my notes, linebacker Isaiah Jones, and he's said it,
he's around the ball. Do I have game winning interception there?
Did he do something as well there? Like yes, he's everywhere.
He can rush the past her, he he'll blitz well,
he'll blow plays up. He's a round the ball. He's
(01:56):
the guy that when we do what we'll be talking about,
you know, maybe like five players to watch. He's going
to be on this one because you're gonna see him
like this forty six guy. Get him out of there.
He's always screwing the he's screwing up our plans. Like
if you know he'd be like you're the Scooby Doo
(02:17):
like villain and you're complaining about Isaiah Jones constantly. You know,
you've ruined my ability to take over the amusement park.
And he's that kind of guy and he doesn't need
to do it for Scooby Snacks. He just does it
because he wants the football.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, he had there was a fourth down play that
he blew up in this game. He had a play
where he just completely collaborate a running back who was
in pass pro picked up a sack. You saw him constantly,
just you know, he's he's in the backfield. He's like
the balls way over on the sideline. He's there. He
had the game clinching interception after Indiana took a thirty
(02:51):
to twenty lead. Indiana had two interceptions on basically like
two straight plays for you know, an offense for Oregon
towards the end of the game. Yeah, Isaiah Joe's I
said all the nice words on the last show, so
you've heard them already. Listen to them on the Iowa show,
Aidan Fisher linebacker. He is phenomenal. Number four. And those
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are two linebackers we haven't talked about. Their leading tackler
and leading soacker. Who's Elijah Hardy number twenty one, so
he's just a sophomore linebacker. They have it. I mean,
this is the best linebacker unit. I'm I know, we
watch Ohio State every week. Outside of Ohio State. This
is the best linebacker unit I've seen all year. And
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you know, no disrespect to those guys, because one of
the guys that in that Ohio State linebacker unit is
quite possibly going to be the first player or if
not the first quarterback taken in the NFL Draft, and
the other one might go in the first round as well.
I don't know that Indiana has those kinds of guys.
But like, man, oh man, the linebackers are really good
and they're they're you know, really dynamic. It's not just like, well,
(03:56):
these guys can plug the hole, so good luck running
you know ice against these guys, Like no, then they
can go sideline to sideline they were to fit. You're
active in the pass game, they can pass rush like
this is a really really good linebacker unit and that
you know, it always starts up front. But man, o man,
a lot of it what Indiana does runs through those linebackers.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And you said it on the last show We're talked
about the Iowa game. Aiden Fisher gets most of the attention.
I sometimes think he gets too much attention because he
can read the play and he can see the player
Kenoy's get there, and that's true for any linebackers. Sometimes
he just there's just a lot going on, gets caught
up and the offensive line or whatnot. But together, they
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all work very well together. And I don't know that
Oregon took as much advantage against the three of them
playing together as I would have thought that they could.
But the one play Manchige kind of mentioned about Isaiah
Jones on a blitz he just ran through Jordan Davison
and Jordan Davison true freshman running back why State fans
(04:59):
might remember from recruiting. But they're just very physical, all
three of them. And if they I don't think they
actually see running backs when they're blitzing. It's just like, well,
they don't care about them. I'll say that they're just
gonna They're gonna keep keep going right through them. Another aspect,
Kellen Wyatt stood out to me and I went and looked.
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He's defensive outside linebacker. Went I was like, this guy, boy,
he's he's showing up all over the place, and then
I going, look, he's I only played in seven games.
He only plays in like one more game after this,
and then he's out for the season. You're like, boy,
that's a tough loss because this guy was all over
the place as well, and it's not like they've continued
(05:43):
to step up. And boy, the guy that eventually replaces him,
Stephen Daily, has had ten tackles for loss in the
last three weeks. He's leading I think probably leading the
Big Ten with eighteen tackles for loss, but ten of
them being in Indiana's last three games. So you know,
we talk about the competitive excellence of Ohio State. The
next man up, Indiana has done that. But you wonder
(06:07):
how things will be going with Kellen White because right
away he's standing out and it's unfortunate that he's not there.
But you'll see Indiana in a three man front, four
man front, five man front, moving all around, and they're
very they're very comfortable with everything they're doing.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, they they are. They will throw a ton of
looks at you. They're gonna throw a ton of twists
and stunts at you up front, and that's that's something
that o'hio State really struggled with earlier in the year,
and it feels like they've come a long way in
the last couple of weeks. This is going to be
a great test for the Ohio State offensive line. But
you know, I think someone like Daily is he's number
eight on the defensive line. He is someone who is
(06:48):
maybe a maybe one of the best testaments to this
this staff can find talent anywhere. Do you know where
he was playing last year, Stephen Daily?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Is this not? Is this not Kent State?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Now Kent State? Yes, Kent State. He was on the
the zero win Kent State team that was like one
of the worst teams in FBS maybe last decade or so.
And then this year eighteen tackles for lost leading the team.
He had He in this game had tipped a pass
that led to an interception late that was the second interception,
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that was the one that that Isaiah Jones ended up
picking off that really kind of sealed the game. And yeah,
it was it was. You know, he's impressive. You see
him all the time up front. Tyreek Tucker, number ninety
five defensive tackle, ten tackles for loss for him, He's
one of those guys who came over from James Madison.
There was an early fourth down that you know, you know,
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Dan Lenning loves to go forward and fourth down he
blew up one of those. He is going to be
someone who Ohio State's going to have to work to
run the ball inside against this Indiana defense, and they're
gonna have to work to run the ball outside against
this all Indiana defense. Like it's this is going to
be a real challenge where you know, last week, go
back and listen to the shows before last week's Michigan game.
(08:02):
We're letting you know Michigan is a little white in
the pants in the middle of the of the defensive
defensive line, not saying that this week this is going
to be this is going to be a challenge to
run the ball against this Indiana in defensive front.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, it's interesting, interesting because you got defensive ends
that are like six to one and it's because they're
not blue chippers, but they they they have all of
the the want to and then they develop and they
are talented. They're just not ideal. So some school's be like, sorry,
you can't play at our level. And then like Michael Kamara,
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who last year fifteen tackles for lost ten tackles ten sacks.
This year he's only got like a sacond half and
like four and a half tackles for lost, something like that.
And then on the two Monday Monday Players teleconference, it
was mentioned that he's like leading the nation in pressures
and it's like, well, I guess he must be pretty
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good still even though his numbers the sacks aren't there,
he's still getting after it. And it's it's an unselfish group,
which we've we've heard that from Ohio State all season long.
So they're the defensive line. They're fitting in Tucker ninety seven.
I believe he's during ninety five like they they're I
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just said, they're big, they don't look like you can
just push them over. And they held oregonst eighty one
yards rushing and twenty six that came on one carry
and everybody else the long rush was like seven yards.
And so it's it's not going to be an easy thing.
Ohio State doing very very well right now running the ball.
(09:43):
So this is this is where you would win Ohio
State to be at this point if you're going to
be playing in Indiana defense like this, And then Tom,
let's talk about the secondary di Angelo Pond's the corner.
I'm looking through my notes. I don't know that they
even really went after him much. And it's funny because
(10:04):
I was looking at my you know, before I start
watching the game, I look at the box score, and
he did not play in the Iole game. But it's
like he had no stats and I didn't know he
didn't play until you know, I researched it. But it's like, oh,
no stats. Boy, they really avoided him, and it's like, yeah,
they most teams probably do. And then they go to
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his counterpart twenty two Jamari Sharp, and you know, he's
he's looks like he's long, he's got, he's lengthy, he's
not shy. I don't think he's the what the fish,
you know, he's he's not D'Angelo Ponce, So you're gonna
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go after him. And there weren't some times where it's like, okay,
but we haven't seen anybody necessarily get after them deep successfully.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yet, have we? No, you know, Ponds, I think that
they sort of like with the Angelo Ponds is he's
listed at five nine one seventy three, Tony, What do
you know about corners who are listed at five to.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Nine usually about five eight.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Tops hotel ore Ohio States wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Uh, well you get a six two, you got a
six three, you got a six four, like yeah, Jeremiah
Smith listened to six three. Colonel Tate listened at six
to two. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Can those guys jump it all.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
A little bit a little bit and then sometimes they
can jump even higher by like reach even hired by
just using the one hand to catch the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, interesting. Jamori Sharp, we didn't talk about him on
the Iowa show, but you know this is this is Iowa,
so you're sort of correcting for Iowa. He gave up
a couple first down passes kind of in the mid range,
you know, nothing didn't get beat deep, but had you know,
gave up a couple sort of like twelve to twenty
yard completions against Iowa, which you know, correcting for the
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fact that it's Iowa, that's like whooh boy. And then
he had another one where he got there early and
didn't get called for pass interference. So that that would
be you know, not a like looming disaster, but like
a you like watch this space, maybe uh that that
may be something at Ohio you know, there's not there's
not like a ton of spots that you kind of
go like, this is where you want to attack, So
(12:13):
you know that that would be where I would kind
of start thinking. And Amari Ferrell with safety number one,
he they they found some they found something with him
where they started running tempo, he got to like out
of position and gave up a long touchdown for Oregon's
first score. They got a quick hitter against him in
the two minute draw right before halftime as well. That's
(12:37):
one where you might see Ohio State do some stuff
with formation too. You know, if especially if Indiana's gonna
try and play three wide three linebackers because they've got
three great linebackers. That means you know, if you're playing
three linebackers, unless you're in three three, then you're you know,
probably not gonna have your nickel out there. So then
you might get a safety in a wide receiver and
then if you put what you know, Tate or Smith inside,
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you can get a match up there. That just that
feels like something Ohio State might be able to scheme
something up there. So that's that's another like this is
this is not a glaring weakness where we are really
kind of nitpicking here because this is again, this is
a very good Indiana defense, number two in the nation.
But you know, no disrespect to you know, Iowa, Ohio
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State's a little more dynamics than them in the passing game,
and they're really frankly more dynamic than organ Is in
the passing game this year because Oregon has some talent
at wide receiver, but the talent is young and Dante
Moore is not quite as accurate as Julian saying is,
so I you know that that feels like, especially indoors,
fast dry track, that feels like Ohio State might be
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able to find something there.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Well. Dante Moore in this game twenty one to thirty
four for one hundred and eighty six yards. I feel
like if Ohio State's throwing them all thirty four times,
are completing twenty one passes, they're going to come out
with them quite a bit more than one hundred and
eighty six yards. I think anything else defense that we
wanted to talk about three trips into the red zone
for Oregon, no touchdowns that' said, that's very good job
(14:07):
by the defense. If you can continue to do that,
you're probably going to win, as Ohio State found out
this past weekend. You want to move to the offense.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Sure. And one thing that I loved, One of my
favorite things from this game was during the postgame interview
where I forgot who the sideline reporter was, but she said,
you have attack, attack written on your hand, which I
thought was really phenomenal. And you know, I mean, it's
Kurtz Signety does not feel like someone who needs to
(14:36):
be reminded to attack, attack, attack. But again, a lot
like the Indiana the Iowa game where they were very
aggressive before halftime. Once again, this is like twenty four second,
they're deep in keeping their own end. They're throwing the
ball like he is not going to twenty four seconds,
like he is not going to let that go to waste.
He is going to try to make something happen there.
(14:57):
And that is just sort of the full sophy, you know,
that sort of feels like it's guiding him, he's you know,
it reminds me a little bit of Kevin Kelly, who
is the guy who is like the famous Arkansas high
school football coach who never punted on fourth down, like
virtually never punted on fourth down, and how that mindset
completely changed his approach. Now, Signette's not you know, going
(15:18):
forward on fourth and eight in his own end. You
know that's that's not exactly the same thing, But just
that mindset changes how you're going to approach things, and
you're you're going to approach if if you're going to
be attacking, you're going to be approaching things a little
bit differently and a little more aggressively, and that can
set you up for success if you're willing to take
(15:38):
more chances, because again, this is a team that is
not going to just be able to purely out talent
you in terms of we have all these wide receivers
and they're all six foot thirteen and they can all
jump out of the gym, and like, they don't have
quite that same level of talent. It's they do an
incredible job of talent evaluation and development. And they have
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turned a roster full of like three stars and James
Madison transfers into the number two team in the nation. So, like,
please do not take this as me saying that they
don't have good players. They have identified and developed some
incredible players. But also when you're playing a game like
a team like Ohio State and the other team has
cheap players that are a little bit bigger and a
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little bit faster. You're going to have to be aggressive.
I think you were going to see an incredibly aggressive
approach from Kurtzignetti in this in this game.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
On Saturday, we talked about the guards and the right
side of the offensive line in the Iowa Show, and
there was a moment where Bray Lynch, the right guard
got pushed into a sack in this game, basically just
bull rushed by Oregon defensive tackles and thew Organ defensive
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tackles gave Indiana fits in this one and just like
almost picked him up like a child and just slammed
him into Fernando Mendoza for the sack. And it was
eye opening. And Organ was also doing some stuff for
just late motion, late shifting from you know, over to
another gap. And it caused five fall starts, four or
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five fall starts in this one for the Indiana offense
and the offensive line. So this was not the best
game for the Indiana offensive line. And when you look
at what they did, they rushed for one hundred and
eleven yards long long rush of just fourteen yards, but
that Roman Henby had a fourteen yarder, Kaylon Black had
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a fourteen yard of their two top their two running backs,
and Fernando Mendoza had a fourteen yarder. Like they're all
capable of that, but you know, only one hundred and
eleven yards. It was good enough. I think you mentioned
the aggressiveness. They were oh for three on fourth downs
against Iowa, oh for one again on fourth downs in
this game. But they're just gonna keep just keep firing.
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Doesn't matter if if they don't get it this time,
that doesn't mean they won't get it next time. I'm
not sure they remember any of their fourth downs that
they didn't get They're just gonna keep you attacking with
the memory of a good cornerback. Basically, I've never been beaten.
I don't know what you talk about. I've never I've
never failed on fourth down. I don't know what you're
talking about. But I was impressed by the the Orgon
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defensive line's ability to clog some things up.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah. I look at this whole game and basically I
was I'm taking these notes and I'm like, I have
taken all of these notes before, Like Bray Lynch, the
right guard, like I had the same play written down like, yeah,
that's that's a concern. Khalil Benson, the right tackle got
beat her on the edge with a speedbrush. I mean,
it just it's just it's the same guys just sort
of see it and going like, eh, that feels like
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that might be a concern. But on the on the
flip side, Kaylon Black runs really hard, good burst. He
was the one who fumbled this time. Henby fumbled. In
the previous one, Black fumbled, they went out of bound
it and then it matter. But we've now seen bothrunning
backs fumbled in the last two games that we've watched.
Hemby at one point rand because ran over Dylan Thieneman,
who is a good safety. That's the safety who transferred
(19:08):
from Perdue to Oregon and Ohio State was in on
he transferred and and he got He just got trucked
by Hemby and was you know good in the passing
game as well. He saw break a tackle, good burst
there as well. And this you know, this is not
Ted Gin in terms of track speed or anything like that.
But I mean they just are good players who run hard.
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And Omar Cooper, you know, once again, lots of screens,
little quick hitters, just very reliable, steady, good hands can
make him miss lots of back shoulder Elijah Surat. I
mean it's a it's all the same stuff that we
said on the last show. Bernando Mendoza a better runner
than you'd think, but you know, QB drawing the red
zone another one on third and three, but then also
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throws off his back foot when he got pressure in
his face, floats it. It's a pick six, and you know,
but just lots of screens and RPOs and back shoulders
from him, and you know, I think they're there. It's
not like it's a simple offense. It's not like it's
basic offense, but it's you know, they give him throws
where you're you're setting it up like this is this
is what a good offense is. You're setting it up
so that you're not making him throw into a ton
(20:13):
of tight windows. That's he's got a lot of stuff
where he's set up to he's set up to succeed,
and he cashes in on that. But yeah, it is
I feel like at this point, we've now watched what
three of these games, and it's like I feel like
we're kind of dialing in on we can usually you
can usually watch two three games, and it's kind of
like you see these kind of consistent themes develop. I'm
(20:34):
interested watch one later in the season because this is like, okay,
this is this is what the issues were in late September,
early October. I'm interested to watch one from November to
sort of see, okay, how have things sort of changed.
The other thing that I thought was very interesting about
Khalil Benz in the right tackle, he started his career
at Indiana, played three years at Indiana, then went to
Colorado for one year, and now it's back at Indiana.
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So his fifth year with you know, like like a
study of study, a broad kind of year in Colorado
in the middle.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
For Nanda Mendoza twenty and thirty one four two hundred
and fifteen yards, a touchdown, an interception, and a sack
long of just twenty nine yards. Leigester eight catches, one
hundred and twenty one yards, one touchdown, thirteen targets, Omar
Cooper seven for fifty eight with eight targets along of
just eleven. And sometimes that's what you're gonna get from
Omar Cooper. But don't let the nine yards per catch,
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you know, Debrail, you from knowing like, oh, well, he
picked up eight yards on third and seven. He picked
up six yards on third and five, And that's kind
of what he is capable of doing out of the
slot and really the tight end, I don't know, not
a main character in this offense in terms of the
passing game, and as kind of maybe an average ish blocker.
(21:52):
I don't want to be disrespectful, but just watching him
a little bit, you know good enough, certainly, and when
you ever running game that's effective, everybody is doing their part.
Anything else from the offense that you wanted to touch
down before you talk about a fifty eight yardfield goal.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, we need to talk about the fifty eight yardfield goal.
But they do have a couple of wide receivers who
we haven't talked about yet, EJ.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
E J.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Williams he had, He had a couple, yeah, EJ. Way
of number seven. He had a nice long sideline pass
that was against Iowa and had another long shot there.
He didn't do much in this game, but then he
missed the Purdue game. His status for this weekend's a
little unclear. We talked about Charlie Becker on the show
(22:38):
that we did about Penn state, that's the other wide
receiver at number eighty. He becomes a main character later
on in this season, So we'll get to him once
we get a little further into the season.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But yeah, what you say, Tom, is he the Koi
or the Vans?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Boy? Oh? I think he's He's got strong Koy energy,
I think. Don't you sure?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean for sure?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So yeah, and and so we do need to talk
about the about the special teams, because man, it was eventful.
Indiana's special teams are eventful. We will say that, and
they like they're the place. Kicking has been phenomenal this
year for Indiana. Nico Radiicich, who is their kind of
like normal field goal kicker, thirteen for thirteen on field
(23:22):
goals this season along of just forty six. But you know,
anything from you know, if you're if you're automatic from
forty six and in, that will cover a lot of
you a lot of it. There's kickoff guy Frankie. He
came in and drolled a fifty was it fifty six
or fifty eight? Fifty six eight fifty eight yard er
right before halftime, which you know, if you've got that
(23:42):
club in your bag, that's a nice thing. To that's
a nice thing to be able to to pull out
if you need it. And again like that's a very
aggressive right before halftime. And they got three points against
Iowa by just doing just being very aggressive coming out
at halftime right before halftime, and three points against Oregon
in two games that were pretty pretty darn closed where
(24:03):
those points really mattered. So you may see a very
aggressive approach again from krit Signetty before halftime this weekend.
Punting not great, not not tremendous. Mitch McCarthy is their punter,
averaging forty point three yards per punt. That's like a
yard and change lower than Joe McGuire, Ohio States punter,
and they've punted basically the same number of times, So
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Carthy twenty four, McGuire twenty one. This year they did
on special teams. Like we talked on the last show
about them blocking a punt against Iowa, they almost got
one in the fourth quarter of this game. And they
also had one where Dan Lanning was like very clearly
on his Dan Lanning nonsense and they tried to do
(24:44):
like the punter rolls out and is he gonna just run,
He's gonna he's gonna oh, Look, he still got the ball,
he hasn't punted it yet. Is he gonna run? And
Indiana was very disciplined, stayed home and forced them to
kick that, But yeah, it was overall outside of the punt.
Indiana's special teams look very impressive and that, you know,
that sort of matches up with what you see on
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the advanced analytics systems. Ohio State special teams are sixty
eighth in the country. Indiana's thirtieth in the country, so
that's a yeah, you know, not the single greatest. This
is not Frank Beemer late nineties Virginia Tech special teams,
but there they are pretty good special teams, which goes
pretty well with a pretty good offense and a pretty
(25:28):
good defense.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
You mentioned Brendan Frankie is the long field goal kicker.
Apparently is also the short field goal kicker because he
kicked the twenty two yarder to make it thirty to
twenty with two minutes to go, So maybe he's the
short and the long guy and this one and then
the last thing for me this season, everybody talks about
a higher state's pace of play, and it seems like
Indiana plays much faster and is more aggressive. In Big
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Ten play, Indiana has two more snaps on offense than
Ohio State this year. So just one last thing to
throw the throw out there for you. A very impressive
win at Oregon that a lot of people didn't think
Indiana could get, and many of the people who did
were just like, sure, why not, let's let's let's see
if it can happen. And it absolutely did, and now
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Ohio State and Indiana or headed to the Big Ten
championship game. We've got we've got some more rewatching to
do on the Hoosiers and and some feedback, and we've
got plenty more as well, if you will. We've we
welcome some listener questions. If you're watching this on YouTube,
go ahead and throw some questions in the comments, whether
you're an Ohio State fan an Indiana fan. We'll do
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