U.S. Economy Slowed in Second Quarter, but Consumers Continue to Spend

U.S. economy slowed in second quarter, but consumers continue to spend. Rich Logis, Founder of Leaving MAGA, talks about his disillusionment with the MAGA movement. Rustout versus burnout. Netanyahu backs pressure-first strategy on Iran after Trump talks. Gas prices continue to rise.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
The Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
The war is back on, although it's not a war,
but it kind of is a war, but it's not
really a war, but it's kind of whatever it is,
it's back on, and boy is it not popular.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
A new Quinnipiac polls shows sixty six percent of voters
say the war with Iran has not been worth fighting.
Trump says he's still hoping to strike a deal with Iran.
One person who's not optimistic Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nettan Yahoo,
who met with Trump at the White House yesterday and
spoke with ABC's Lindsay Davis.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Well, I don't know if it's unlikely, but you know,
I'm skeptical about Iran's you know, a mode of operandus,
I mean the method of operating.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Okay, great, just out of curiosity. What is it that
you want, sir? Tell me what it is that you
want so we can satisfy this. And I'm kidding, of course,
because how dare you come to our country and ask
us to get into something and just it pisces me off.
First of all, what you've done to Israel worldwide and

(01:18):
how people look at it is an absolute that's a
crime to me. Secondly, yesterday you coming here and having
a face to face with our vice president, how dare
you to kind of dress him down as if Yeah,
you know, we're doing this for the grade of you
can't even tell us what your end game is, what

(01:40):
your goal is. It's all the same bs. And now
we're in this damn thing. And guess what's happening. Oil
going up? People, you're spending power. My spending power is
getting less and less.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
That's not good JET.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
But we're doing it for the right reasons. What reasons
are those? Somebody tell me what reasons? Well, so we
don't get a nuclear weapon, do you think it's more
probable now that they're going to effort to get a
nuclear weapon or less? Do you think that we're going
to bomb them into submission and they're just gonna hand

(02:14):
over their guns and then what be hung? And then
will you know, or jailed forever? And then then Israel
can agree to who should run their country next. Do
you think that's gonna happen? No, Oil's going up, life's
getting more expensive. Sucks, it does. I'm seeing gas prices

(02:38):
around here go up on a daily basis. I went
out the other day. So it's right now, I'll give
you a snapshot. It's cat and I. That's it. It's
just a cat and I. Right now, my wife and
the girls. This summer, they went back to help grandma
out not doing very great, but that's for another, you
know story. So you know, so we have our house

(03:00):
out there and Grandma was there and she just it.
So Steph said, you know what, I'm gonna go. We're
gonna help mom. We've got to do some stuff around
the house. I said, okay, So we said, oh right,
do that. So it's just a cat and I. Right,
that's it. It's just kitty cat and I.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
We're hanging out here in the studio slash apartment. Went
grocery shopping. It's one hundred and seventy nine bucks or something,
one hundred and seventy two bucks for some cat stuff.
And I'm not eating a lot right now, and it'd

(03:38):
be like one hundred and seventy two bucks. I didn't
get anything crazy. I didn't go I bought a TV
or something. No, none of that. It's insane. And oil's
gonna go up and it's gonna cost more. And who
do we have to blame for this, ourselves getting into
something we should never have been in. And then some
of you all text me and go, we can't let

(03:58):
them have a new clear your weapon. They weren't trying
to get into Yes they were according to who, according
to Trump, not even what what not according to your
eighteen agencies. But I know you don't believe any of
our intelligence agencies. You believe Trump. And so here we are,

(04:25):
here we are should piss us all off? Oh and
I mentioned again oil up.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
Wallstreet investors are worried that the Federal Reserve is not
acting fast enough to combat soaring inflation, the Dow tumbling
eleven hundred points in it's worst loss since April twenty
twenty five. Skyrocketing oil, which was up another eight percent today,
is driving inflation higher. The national average for a gallon
of gas now four dollars and eight cents. That's back

(04:53):
where it was in June before the Iran war ceasefire
was announced.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, and that's you and I paying for that. Coming
in out of our pocketbooks, as I like say, pocketbook society, checkbooks,
society coming in of our bank account should frustrate us,
absolutely frustrate every single one of us, and we've got

(05:20):
the likes of bb neet Yahoo here talking about Rah,
you know what, Uh, we've got to do it's best
for us. But we don't tell Trump what to do.
Then why have you been here eight times? Why are
you here? Tell me? I think we all deserve to know.
What are you doing? What's the endgame for you guys?

(05:40):
Because I'm still curious about what that is. I think
I know what it is, which is you guys want
chaos and hell, you want that place to devolve into
the new Syria and just go sideways. That's what you're
hoping for. But for us, but don't know, don't know
what it is that we're out to do. What I
do know is whatever it is is it isn't working.

(06:04):
It is it working? We'll see, We'll see if we
can get it to work by doing the same thing
tonight and then the next night that didn't work last night?
What do you think? Let me know? Three two, three, five, three, eight,
twenty four to twenty three Act you had Benson show
you Rex, your Insta, your YouTube and everything else. I
want to play something for you that pretty much sums

(06:25):
up yesterday and the Fauci stuff in a nutshell. What
day of the week is it today?

Speaker 7 (06:34):
On the divisive Council, I respectfully decline to a sebased
upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.

Speaker 8 (06:41):
What color tie you're wearing.

Speaker 7 (06:44):
On the advisive Council? I respectfully decline to an sebased
upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.

Speaker 8 (06:51):
What color is the carpet in front of you?

Speaker 7 (06:54):
On the advisive Council? I respectfully decline to and sebased
upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.

Speaker 8 (07:01):
Let's just get one thing straight. You don't have any
rights under the Fifth Amendment because you've been pardoned, as
you very well know, as a Supreme Court has been
clear for a century and more, Brown versus Walker eighteen
ninety six. When he has been pardoned, he may not
stand upon his privilege. You know that your lawyer as
sitting behind you now shifting nervously in their chairs.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
They know it.

Speaker 8 (07:21):
This isn't about the Constitution, This isn't about the law.
This is about contempt, contempt for this body, and contempt
for the American people.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
All right there, Josh Hawley, yesterday that was pretty much
one hundred and eleven times. Right, It reminded me of
the Dave Chappelle skit.

Speaker 9 (07:47):
You know what you think, go ahead, ask me a question,
did you.

Speaker 10 (07:52):
We all sir?

Speaker 8 (07:52):
It happened?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
So that about sums it up yesterday. There were some
moments that were interesting, but it was always about the
people asking the question and the whole thing with the
pardon not pardon. Usually it's for something specific, a blanket
pardon hey between X, and they're looking to get him
in something they're thinking about contempt. I mean they're trying

(08:16):
to you know, you've got the people out there I'm
gonna thrown in jail. I think what most people wanted
was to hear somebody who maybe was a bit contrite
came out and said, look, we did what we thought
was best. Did it go too far at certain times

(08:38):
that maybe we were overly cautious? Yes, and for that
I apologize. But you know, the states, so I said yesterday,
were partially to blame for this because they were the
ones who cracked down on so many things and then
took it to a level that Fauci or the President
never ordered at the time. See California and You're lunacy

(09:00):
of New York and elsewhere where they're arresting people for
writing around on a surfboard by themselves, or a paddle
board in the middle of the ocean, for God's sakes,
wouldn't have been hilarious. Well, they're like, you need to
come in, and you're like, you know what, I'm just
gonna paddle away. What are you gonna do? Are you
gonna get in and chase me? Is that what you're
really gonna do. I'd like to see that. I'd like

(09:23):
to I would like to see that. I would like
to see you get in the water and chase me
on a paddle board, which was just absurd. I think
that's what a lot of people wanted, a reckoning. A
lot of people are still pissed. And by the way,
this is the left and the right who were angry
at the way that things went. So it wasn't just

(09:46):
now yesterday was partisan. Take the public spectacle out of it.
And there are people out there that still want answers
two questions. We're not going to get it answers from
you know, so you move on from this. But do
I think yesterday was a crap show?

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
It absolutely was. I think we all recognized that as
the crap show. Oh lordy, lordy, was it a crap show?
Lots of you know, there was some interesting, you know
stuff that was said, but for the most part, it
was the usual stuff that you get in a time
of Senate hearings, which is, it's more about the people

(10:32):
asking the question than the people answering the question. It's
it's about getting soundbites, it's about stuff for clicking and
raising money more than the actual answers themselves, which we
didn't get any because he pled the fifth one hundred
and eleven times. He pled the fifth. Yeah, oh lordy, lordie.

(10:57):
So much fun stuff to get to today. Kids. Indeed,
talk today to a guy who has left MAGA. We're
going to find out why he left MAGA. How deep
was he in O MAGA. I think that's a it's
a serious question that you know, some people are having
out there. And uh, I just I saw him after

(11:21):
I spotted the billboard here in Nashville it says leaving
Mega dot org. And I'm like, oh, that'd be interesting.
And I saw him on some interviews and I thought,
what the hell, let's have him on. Let's have a conversation,
find out why he left maga. Plus we've got to
talk about some immigration today. We've got a lot of
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Speaker 2 (12:57):
You're listening to the Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
You're listening to the Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Deportations, ice, build that wall. That's what a lot of
people want now. For me, we jacked immigration up a
long time ago. Both sides have a massive part to
play in it. I'm not a both sides guy, no, No,
it's the reality right. The left was hoping one day

(13:33):
to import a whole bunch of people that would probably
vote in mass for them, and the right like the
cheap labor. But most importantly they love the argument of
immigration because it's great to raise money off of and
to demonize the other side. But there are financial issues
that come along with this, And as I pointed out

(13:54):
to somebody yesterday, so we kind of got into a
little tiff who's like, yeah, let's get rid of all
these people that are here, all these Haitians right eating
the dogs and the cats and all that kind of stuff.
And I said, yeah, that sounds great. By the way,
who's going to wipe your grandma? Who's going to take
care of grandpappy there? Because it ain't you. It isn't you.

(14:14):
So who's going to do that? And the look on
his face, See, it's the unforeseen circumstances. And this is
a broken system that needs to be fixed. And we
need to find out who's here, who wants to be
here for real, i e. Who wants to put a
ring on it? The people that haven't broken the law,
and the people that are bad, we need to get

(14:36):
them out of here. But three hundred thousand nations bye overnight.

Speaker 12 (14:42):
US officials confirming after days of confusion, that the temporary
protected status for more than three hundred thousand Haitians living
in the US has officially ended, leaving them without jobs
and at risk for deportation.

Speaker 13 (14:56):
They have done nothing that deserves inhumane treatment, nothing that
deserves them to be shackled.

Speaker 12 (15:02):
Homeland Security now telling businesses they can no longer legally
employ Haitians who had TPS status, which was granted after
the devastating earthquake in Haiti back in twenty ten. One
industry concerned about this change, the elder care industry, because
since twenty ten, many Haitians have taken jobs in nursing
homes or senior living facilities as assistants and caregivers.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
And those are jobs that you're not wanting to do.
That I'm not wanting to do that many people aren't
wanting to do. That's what those jobs are, That's what
those are. The ones who work with grandma so you
don't have to, or moms so you don't have to.
So this is going to be very interesting because several
conservatives have kind of stood up and said, yeah, let's

(15:47):
just slow down and look. I understand the TEA stands
for temporary, but we know in the world of politics
and bureaucracy, temporary usually means forever, up until now. And
what's going to happen to those nursing homes, What's gonna
happen to dear old mom? Because I know one thing,
we don't have the robots yet, not yet. Let me
know what you think. Love hearing from all of you

(16:08):
right here on the Chad Benson Show. And I know
some of you gonna text me and say, I'm glad
they're gone, because that's what I think your tech sounds like,
because probably what it is. I get a lot of that.
We've got to get rid of everybody here. And I
say it with that kind of accent, because that's I mean,
I'm in, I'm in, I'm in Tennessee. And the amount

(16:29):
of commercials that are political right now, I mean it's
through the roof. But the thing that makes me laugh
is they all talk about how they're going to fix
the border. It's like, you ain't fixing crap. First of all,
you're running to be an assistant dogcatcher and you're thousands
of miles away from the border. It's the oh, we

(16:49):
got to say this, this, this is a must. It's
you gotta say just like this. You have to I'm
gonna fix the border. I promise, that's what I'm gonna do.
And Trump and then the other side they're there, our
Trump is bad and I'm going to stop Trump. And
you're like, you're running to be the assistant secretary of
a library. Yeah, but I through my powers of librarian stuff,

(17:10):
I will stop Trump stop him. You're like, okay, both
of you guys, No, you're both stupid. That's all I
have to say to that. Coming up, saw a billboard
on the side of the road here said leaving Maga
dot org. I was interested. We got him to come
on the show. His name is Rich Logis. He left
MAGA and he was not kind of a part of Mega.

(17:32):
He was all about MAGA was his family. We will
discuss why he left MAGA and what his organization is about.
We'll do that straight at Chad Benson.

Speaker 10 (17:40):
Shoe Son, Chad Benson Show, The Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I was driving down the highway there if you will
freeways in someplace, if you're in England, motorways, and I
saw this giant billboard says leaving Maga dot org and
I thought that's rather interesting. What is this all about?
So I decided to get him on the horn and
have a chat with him. Did a full video the
other night with him. But joins the program now Rich
logis the man behind the billboard and leaving Maga dot org.

(18:27):
First and foremost, Rich thanks so much for joining us.
And secondly, we're going to see more of these billboards
across the country.

Speaker 14 (18:33):
Thank you, Chad, it's good to be with you. Appreciate
you having me. So we had a board up in Nashville,
and we are now have had boards go up in
a total of twenty states. We have one that just
went up in Times Square in New York City, and
we have a fifty state goal. So we've got more
of that are planned for Montana, West Virginia, We've got

(18:56):
some that are be going to be going up in Missouri,
and we're looking to bring our message to all corners
of the country, you know, and our messaging on the
billboards very simple. It reads having doubts, you are not alone.
And we're really trying to make ourselves known to people

(19:19):
who are in MAGA, who right now are having doubts.
They're feeling confused about their support, They're looking around the country,
they know something is amiss and they're questioning their belief system.
And it's a way for us to let them know
that they're not alone and that we have been through
and I have been through what they're going through right now.

(19:39):
Because it's when someone has made MAGA their identity, it's
really hard to walk away, and it's hard for us
to admit that we were wrong, and so we're building
our organization, leaving Maga as a community as a way
to provide a pathway out of Maga and away from
the extremism mega politics.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Let's talk about your journey, because while you're leaving Maga,
there was a before Maga. What was that rich like?
And then how did you get to Maga?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
You know?

Speaker 14 (20:10):
In twenty fifteen, I was someone who was very politically lonely.
I was an independent. I felt that both parties were
the same. I thought that most elected officials cared only
about their donors and the wealthy and the powerful. And
when Trump came on the scene, even though he came

(20:31):
from the world of wealth and influence and he ran
as a Republican, I was very enticed by his outsider
status without any government, military or political experience. And I
was seduced by the burded all down ethos of his
campaign because I thought that democracy had failed most Americans

(20:52):
and that we needed a major disruption to our status quo.
And I didn't just support Trump on the rifferee vote
for him come back in four years. I wound up
working on the campaign. I was a grassroots activist. I
helped write part of the call script for the campaign.
I showed people where to get registered to vote. I

(21:15):
recruited Bernie Sanders voters to support Trump. I was all in,
unapologetically a Trump supporter. And after the twenty sixteen election,
when all of us were vindicated and validated, I got
deeper and deeper into the MAGA community. I wound up
professionally producing a podcast. I wrote for lots of Magamedia.

(21:36):
I've had bylines and places like Fox and The Federalist
and Real Queer Politics. I wrote for a site called
WorldNet Daily, which is a site that popularized the Obama
birther conspiracy. I spoke at Trump groups. I was a
donor at Trump groups. I was a donor to the
twenty twenty campaign. I worked on the campaign. I was

(21:57):
unapologetically public in my support for Trump. But the cracks
for me started to form in the summer of twenty
twenty one. And if we remember, at that time, the
Delta surge from COVID was ravaging the country. Kids were
getting sick, kids were dying. I have two small children,

(22:17):
and it actually the first accelerant was not Donald Trump,
it was my governor in Florida, Ron Desantez, who platformed
COVID anti vaxers at a press conference, and when he
did that with the delta surge across the country, it
really shocked and confused me. And I did something that
sounds very simple, Chad, but was very profoundly life altering

(22:40):
and changing for me, which was I diversified my news
and information sources. And after I did that, I started
to slowly realize that so much of what it was
that I believed turned out to be false. I write
in my memoir which came out this year, one betrayal
too Many, I write about a day in the book,

(23:00):
and that they were mostly Democrats, and this was a
group of people, a cabal, a shadowy group of Democrats,
liberals and progressives who were trying to abridge my rights
and indoctrinate my children. And I had this belief that
there was this they who were trying to conspire against
Trump supporters. But I started to realize as I widened

(23:25):
my information aperture and I integrated more mainstream media sources
and I started to look away from Megamedia, I realized
I was mistaken and that I had allowed myself to
believe lies, falsehoods, and conspiracy theories, and so I had
a lot of late nights just myself, a lot of

(23:48):
personally tumultuous time, and I went through almost an entire
year of grappling and struggling with the fact that I
was wrong to have believed what I believed. And the
final straw for me was was on May twenty four,
twenty twenty two, which was a day of Uvalde, Texas
school shooting, and even though Trump wasn't in office, I

(24:10):
knew exactly how he and the GOP would respond, and
they did as I anticipated. They called for more guns
and more access to guns, and even as a gun owner,
I found that to be offensive. And it was the
day that I quietly left MAGA. But there was something
that had been gnawing at me for doing it privately,
and I decided to go public, and on August thirty,

(24:32):
ath the twenty twenty two, I wrote a Maya Copa
and in this article I said that I was sorry
for supporting Trump and MAGA, and I wanted to apologize
to anyone I may have hurt with my words, deeds,
and rhetoric and the God's honest truth, as I never
thought anybody would care, but it turned out people did care.
I received one desperate message after another from those who

(24:55):
have friends and family still in the thrall of Maga.
And it was born from all of that, Chad came
our organization leaving Maga, which we are. We have formed
as a new community, as a destination and an exit
ram for people to leave behind and walk away from Maga.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, it has been and it's been very interesting to
watch your journey as I followed you with your interviews
and stuff. And you know, Rich, it's you know, I
work in an industry where everybody you know the station
I'm on here locally Maga. I'm not Mega, never been Maga.
I'm not Mega. I'm the most independent cat you're going
to find. I find a lot of what Trump says ridiculous,

(25:39):
but I also think there's some cultural and some truths
in some of the stuff he says, which was refreshing.
That being said, my thing has always been and I
think the information side thing that you said, they're so key.
We live in an echo chamber, and the echo chamber
is these insane algorithms that feed the beast over and

(25:59):
over again. It's about affirmation on information. And I tell
everybody who listens to me. Iron sharpens iron. If you
believe whatever it is you believe, you go test it
out against somebody else's theory of what it is. Read
some other news, find out if what you're getting is
the full truth and if it can withstand getting pushed

(26:19):
back on. And a lot of people are terrified to
do that because they've wrapped themselves up with the identity
being Maga or the identity of being you know, TDS
goes both ways. You've got people who are in the cult,
and you've got people who are in a cult who
hate Maga, which doesn't help it either.

Speaker 14 (26:37):
You know, when I was in MAGA, I was addicted
to fear and rage. I was always afraid of somebody
or something, and I was always enraged at someone or something.
And looking back on it, the media that I consumed,
exactly as you just said, it reinforced and affirmed those addictions.

(26:59):
You know, for example, no one watches Fox News to edify, inform,
or enlighten oneself. They do it because Fox affirms and
reinforces those addictions to rage and fear. And I realized
after leaving that there has been a multi decade coordinated

(27:20):
effort to dehumanize, vilify, and demonize democrats, liberals, progressives, and leftists.
And this AGU prop and propaganda has been effective, it
has been consistent, and it's been disciplined. And I'm not
saying that MAGA is the only information siloed group in
the country. I think all groups to some extent live

(27:43):
in that bubble, in that echo chamber. But when I
started stepping away from the Magamdia echo chamber, I came
to conclude that while MAGA isn't the only info siloed group,
we were the most infosiled group. You know, any information
that had that was going to refute or challenge any

(28:06):
of the pervasively held beliefs in mythologies. When I was
in MAGA, it was shunned. It was kept out. And
for all of the mythologies of rugged individualism and fier
feelings and all of that in MAGA, the realities that
MAGA was almost wholly in emotional and conformist community. So
I think that one of the techniques that we have,

(28:29):
one of the techniques we have deployed that I think
can have some success is what we call information bartering,
And what that means is that we exchange information with
our MAGA identified close friend and loved one. We read
something that they that they read or listen to or watch,
and they read or listen to watch something that we

(28:51):
provide them, and it's not to change their mind, but
it's to give them an alternative set of facts and
information because as the one of the reasons for our
divides is that two large groups of people are living
in different realities, and it's very hard to overcome the

(29:16):
polarization and the divides when we've got differing groups living
in differing realities. And so for me, it was when
I was looking outside of Megamedia Chad, I integrated into
my media diet what we would consider just mainstream legacy media.

(29:38):
You know, your New York Times, your Washington Post, your AP,
your NPR, your PBS. When I was in MAGA, I
was consuming Rush Limbaugh and Breitbart and Fox and in
particular Tucker Carlson. So all I was getting were MAGA
talking points, which was why I was always so enraged

(30:01):
and so afraid.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
If you could tell the audience, you get an elevator
pitch on why they should check out your organization even
if they're still in MAGA and they believe but why
they should still be curious enough to check out their organization.
What are they doing? Where did they go?

Speaker 14 (30:16):
Yeah, so they can visit us at Leavingmaga dot org.
We've got a newsletter, people could follow us at our socials.
I would encourage those who are in MAGA to take
some time and read some of the testimonials because they'll
find a lot of points of relatability. And as a
result of the work that we are doing. We don't debate,

(30:40):
we don't try to change anyone's mind, but we do
believe that MAGA exploits and manipulates its adherents. And even
though I don't think most in MAGA are extremists, I
do think MAGA is an extremist group because it encourages
its adherents to vilify our opponents. When you leave MAGA,

(31:02):
you reclaim your identity, your agency, and your empathy. And
I say the time Chad that leaving MAGA it was
good for my soul, my psyche, and my mental health.
And so for those in MAGA who are hearing this,
And if you're if you're not sure if you can
support this anymore, if you're unsure that this movement comports
with your values come to us. You know you will

(31:25):
find a friendly ear and a welcoming place where you
can come to after you leave.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Right on, brother riz loojus leaving Maga dot Org. I
appreciate you coming on today and I hope we do
it again.

Speaker 14 (31:34):
Yeah, my pleasure, Chad, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
We're gonna put the full interview up because about thirty
minutes long, so if you have a chance, check it out.
It is again the whole thing is very interesting and
in a tribal world, it's good to talk to somebody
who I think has broken out from a part of
that tribe. So very interesting. Indeed, no doubt about that.
If you have a chance, check out the full interview.

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Speaker 15 (33:18):
Serving up talk radio, medium, rare and dripping with irony.

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It's Chad Benson.

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We love hearing from all of you. Remember you can
tweet at us at Chat Benson Show, hit us up
on the Instagram, course, YouTube, Facebook, and all of that stuff,
and you can email us directly Chadbentson Show at gmail
dot com. Several of you have chimed in not happy
and some of you happy that I had rich On

(33:44):
who started the organization leaving MAGA, and some of you
were how dare you and what are you talking about?
How dare I? A? It's my show and B it's
interesting at a time of anger, at a time of
echo chambers, why not those same people would not have

(34:07):
said anything when I had the walk away guy on
who walked away from the Democrats, you would not have complained.
So that shows me that whatever was said you feel
upset about because maybe it resonated with you, I don't know,

(34:29):
not telling you to do anything, giving you a different perspective.
And it was more about the psychology of y'all, not
the politics of it all. And I will tell you
politics plays very, very very little in the world of MAGA.
It plays no part in it for the most part anymore,

(34:49):
because when you talk about MAGA, you're not talking about
conservative values, You're not talking about Republican talking points. You're
talking about Trump. Because I can be very critical of
somebody in the Republican Party and rarely do I hear
anybody say anything to me at all. What I do here, though,

(35:13):
if I'm critical of Trump, is how evil I am
or bad I am, or how much I hate America,
which is always my favorite, just ridiculous. But if you're
interested in reaching out, feel free to do so. Three two, three, five,
three eight, twenty four twenty three. That is a text
line as well as a voicemail line. You can live

(35:34):
voicemail there because we do love hearing from all of
you read here on The Chad Benson Show. Coming up,
our number two of the program, A lot of stuff
still to get to, more on depleading the fifth. A
lot of you have weighed in about Anthony Fauci and
what took place yesterday. It was interesting, no doubt about that,
but you know, as we kind of predicted, it went

(35:56):
along the you know, lines of what was going to happen.
It was more about the people asking the question, and Fauci,
of course decided to plead. The fifth was that a
good idea bad idea. Will discuss that moron iran as
well a bunch of other good stuff, including the best
and worst states they've ranked him from one to fifty.
We'll discuss that as well. Plus we got your urban

(36:19):
word of the Day, just to name a few fun
things happening. And our number two straight ahead Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 10 (36:24):
This is the Chad Benson Show. The Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Ladies and gentlemen. With all the stuff going on globally,
here at home, we have weather, and weather or not
it's good depends on where you live.

Speaker 16 (37:06):
It's a tail of two summers. In the Southwest and
the plains, the heat is sweltering. It's been so hot,
temperatures as high as twenty degrees above average. Firefighters in
Phoenix rescuing a hiker who fell ill, with temperatures on
the trail already in the mid nineties at the time.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I got up there, and it's like, Uh, what the
heck did I do? Caam, I shouldn't have done this,
but I knew that I really needed help.

Speaker 16 (37:33):
Meanwhile, torrential rain is pummeling the Northeast, a powerful storm
system stretching from Pennsylvania to Connecticut. Swift moving waters, collapsing
buildings and submerging streets. Present situation and town bringing tragedy
in New Jersey, where a ten year old boy passed
away after getting caught and the Passaic River pushing his

(37:55):
sister to safety.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
The little boy may have saved her life.

Speaker 16 (37:59):
Another young girl still missing.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Horrible situation there, and can I just say real quick
about the hiker every year, whether it's portions of California
Death Valley, whether it is Phoenix. You know how hot

(38:23):
it is, you know what to be a struggle for
you in Okay weather, But somehow you think ninety five
in the morning and if you get up there that
it's I've never gotten that. And every year somebody wanders
off with no water and they paid the price for it.

(38:47):
They do every year. It's crazy and I shouldn't laugh
because sometimes people die. But you know what, do we
talk about nature? People? How many times we have to
talk about nature? Will mess you up? The other night Appleton, Wisconsin.
I mean, look, the Upper Midwest has just been hammered.

(39:09):
I went golfing the other day because my thought was, oh,
it's really hot, so I'm gonna go golfing. Then normally,
you guys know, if you listen to the show when
I lived out in Arizona, I love golfing in the heat.
Do you know what I take with me a whole
bunch of water. And I never walk the course. I
drive it because I'm in my little cart and I'm fine.

(39:32):
I went golfing the other day and the feels like
was ridiculous and I'm thinking to myself, I'm in okay shape.
I can't imagine somebody out here is not in good
shape walking around because the heat was oppressive, is the
best way to describe it. You have to be careful,

(39:53):
and part of that carefulness, if you will, is common sense.

Speaker 16 (39:57):
Down for is also flying Upstate New York on communities
sell more than ten inches of rain in just twenty
four hours, prompting water rescues and forcing drivers to abandon
submerged cars. The storm's wreaking havoc on travel and disrupting
one of the Northeast's busiest d Amtrak lines because of
water on the tracks. As Americans cope with another week

(40:20):
of wild weather, and as much of that tragic weather
turns destructive, even deadly, it's worth remembering that extreme heat,
like the type we're going to face across here in
Texas today and across the country, that is the deadliest
form of weather that the average American faces every year.
So officials are urging caution as we make our way
through this.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yes, and now, the cold kills faster than the heat,
but we don't get the kind of cold in areas
where people just don't have a way to warm themselves.
I mean, you have blankets, you have enough stuff. There's
only so naked you can get. As we talk about
this the other day, Yeah, it only gets so naked

(40:59):
before you run out of trying to cool yourself off.
And what we're saying out there is, don't do anything stupid.
Don't leave your animals in a bad position. Okay, don't
do that. If the rain's coming down hard somewhere and
we're trying to go through all of this, right, it's
coming down hard, and you're in your car and you're thinking,

(41:20):
I think I could make it across this little puddle
thing here that wasn't here a little while ago, but
I should be Okay, don't unless your course, if your
car's got a snorkel on it, see some of those
you know, the trucks and stuff like other strong all right,
then maybe if that's what it's built for. But what
you do is you put everybody else at risk. That's
all we're saying, guys. We want you guys to be
safe out there. Okay. Okay. Meanwhile, speaking of safety, how

(41:43):
about that kid in California, Santa Cruz saving that And
I say kid because he's a sixteen year old lifeguard.
I was a junior lifeguard. They never let us rescue anything.
They didn't let us do any of that stuff. This
kid did, went out there, saved another kid.

Speaker 17 (41:59):
We're just lucky. He fortunate because of writer and those
people that helped that he actually survived.

Speaker 18 (42:04):
This Saturday night, submit Rye received a call. He never
thought he would have his ten year old son, Nathaniel,
on vacation in California with his eight year old daughter
and his wife. Let ry know that he had been
in a drowning accident earlier that day.

Speaker 17 (42:18):
From what I gathered, he assumed he was going to die.
He was drowning, He knew was drowning. He blocked out,
he went unconscious. When he came out of the water,
he was clearly whim It doesn't look like he was breathing.

Speaker 18 (42:31):
Despite this, the heroic efforts of sixteen year old Santa
Cruz lifeguard Writer Williams, allowed Nathan you'll to survive. His
fellow lifeguard, Aaron Bonan, and others stepped into help as well.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Sixteen saw what was going on, jumps in there, saves
a kid along with another kid, I mean, and the
whole thing. Beauty of the world we live in today,
and sometimes the tragedy is it's all on.

Speaker 18 (42:57):
Take the entire two and a half minute exter experience
at Sea Bright Beach caught on camera by Scott Vanderduson.

Speaker 19 (43:03):
If the lifeguards were out there, it would have had
a different ending.

Speaker 17 (43:06):
God blessom and you know, thank you. I cannot express
sufficient gratitude. There's nothing more valuable to me than my children,
and so to save one of them in their lives,
I can't thank them enough.

Speaker 18 (43:17):
Rider has received nationwide praise, including from President Trump, who
has invited him to the White House to receive a
civilian honor. Congressman Jimmy Panetta represents Santa Cruz and called
riders life saving actions remarkable, adding, we are very proud
of this young man in his first rescue and are
grateful that is inspiring actions were caught on video so

(43:38):
that the world gets to see what our amazing local
lifeguards do on a daily basis in Santa Cruz.

Speaker 17 (43:44):
I think he deserves every medal and award and honor
that's possible. So is Eric. You know, everyone that helped
the good Samaritans.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
By the way, being a lifeguard in California, if you
can't get the job. Maybe the hardest a municipal job,
government job that you can get in California is being
a lifeguard. And here's something they get paid a gank
of cash to be a lifeguard. You know it is

(44:17):
uh people used to watch Baywatch. How can they afford that?
I said, well, you know, if you know what lifeguards
get paid, they're like lifeguards, so they make like twelve
bucks an hour. I'm like, ah, you're thinking of of
the pool lifeguard at the old rec center. Now now
now lifeguards in California, I A. The amount of money

(44:39):
they make I think will shock you. And they're not
your regular lifeguards. They're not called the called lifeguards specialists,
which I don't know. They do more obviously than sit
there with a whistle and blow. So their base salaries
go from one hundred and hundred fifty thousand a year,
and there are several that have made in excess of

(45:01):
three hundred to five hundred thousand dollars a year lifeguarding
because of overtime and stuff of that nature. And then
when you get into the leadership side of it, it's
easy for you to make four to five hundred thousand
a year so put that out there. It's a great
job and what he did was great, but he ain't
earning that. Just putting that out there makes you want

(45:21):
to be a lifeguard. There's not a lot of them,
and what if you're not good at swimming. I couldn't
do it because I don't like the sand. It is
one of those like most wanted gigs, though, is being
being baywatchy. I mean, you know, if you make that
kind of money, somebody told you today you can make

(45:43):
six figures being a lifeguard, you'd probably go yeah. But
it's a hard job. And I want to give you
guys a snapshot of how many rescues on a heavy
summer day in about one hundred mile coastline period in

(46:04):
southern California they do. Are you ready for this? Five
hundred to one thousand ocean rescues in a single day.
You got the heat waves, you've got rip currents, you've
got high surf, you've got all of these things. And
then you throw that in with sun, people drinking. You

(46:24):
see what we're going with this. It's nuts. It is nuts,
and up to seventy thousand preventative actions meaning telling swimmers, hey, idiot,
don't go in the water there because of the rip current,
you're gonna be in trouble. And by the way, if
you get too rip current, let me give you a
little bit of advice because growing up in southern California,

(46:44):
whether I like to say it or not, I thin
to go to the beach a lot. You Basically you
can get on your back and just kind of float,
or you swim parallel. So if you're at the lifeguard
tower number eighteen, right, you don't try to swim in.
You swim down towards nineteen or seventeen, depending on which

(47:06):
way it goes. And what you're gonna do is eventually
you're gonna get out of it. Just giving you guys
a little tip right there. See, he's better than talking
about the Iranian war, which is still going on. Apparently
we've got a new plan in place. It's a new one.
It could see us really escalate this thing in the
coming weeks. I hope that's not true, but I have

(47:30):
a feeling something's got to get done at this point
in time. I mean, it's be how much more unpopular
can this get? Well, we may find out. And then
you couple that in with the GDP that's the gross
domestic product absolute kicking the Grundle, so inflation crew at
three point three percent GDP slowed down to one point

(47:52):
five percent growth. Not a good situation for us currently
right now. So when you look at that, it feels
like we are really starting to sputter. I hope it's
not true, and I bet a lot of this has
to do with the war, but there's no doubt there

(48:12):
is a sense at this moment in time that we're
kind of, you know, like the cartoon character, we're running
and we're not going anywhere. That's kind of what it
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Is your job not challenging? Are you experiencing rust out?

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We will discuss Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
You're listening to the Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
We've got a new word to use it work. It's
called rust out. What where do you work?

Speaker 11 (49:58):
Leater in.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
And yeah, what do you do there?

Speaker 14 (50:03):
I sit in a cubicle.

Speaker 20 (50:04):
It's that all too familiar feeling of boredom or lack
of motivation at work.

Speaker 21 (50:09):
Everyone around me seems so much more motivated about work.

Speaker 11 (50:12):
Than I am.

Speaker 20 (50:13):
Unlike burnout, where employees are exhausted from a heavy workload.
People suffering from career rust out because of a lack
of purpose or stimulation.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
The lack of inspiration.

Speaker 9 (50:24):
It is sucking the life out of you.

Speaker 20 (50:26):
Gabriella Flax says she experienced rust out working in tech
doing repetitive tasks each day.

Speaker 21 (50:32):
There was a mental detachment from my job where even
as a high performer, I kept showing up, but it
was not with that same vitality that I knew I'd
experienced in other ways of working. I lost excitement for
the work itself. She ultimately quit to start our own business.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, because she was bored. She wasn't challenged. You got
a challenge of folks. People, I'm telling you, rustout's real. Look,
there's times, you know, we talk about it's a lot
with you know, some of my other friends who are part
of this industry where it's kind of a rinse and repeat,
you know, because there's it's the one news, the Iran war,

(51:10):
whatever it is, it's so big you're just like, Okay,
what else is new? And that's why I like to
do you talk about all kinds of stuff like this
where I know a bunch of my other coworkers. If
you will friends, people I know in this industry, Yeah,
they won't really talk about something like this. It's important
that we talk about it because many of you, I
hear from you. It is the rent and repeat of
your life. It's the same thing every day. It's boonch, boonch.

(51:33):
It's just it's a rhythm of life.

Speaker 20 (51:35):
A recent Gallup poll found only thirty one percent of
American workers were actively engaged at work in twenty twenty five,
down from a high of thirty six percent in twenty twenty.
Younger workers experience the biggest drops in engagement.

Speaker 22 (51:48):
People are feeling rusted out because they look outside and
they see, oh my gosh, the job market is super complicated.
The number of applicants per job has doubled, so that
competition is fear So a lot of people are saying
to themselves, you know, maybe I'm not the most motivated,
but I'm just gonna stay here.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, because here's the deal. Rust out, rust off, rust, rustolium,
whatever the hell it is. You got to earn a paycheck,
so you're gonna stick around. That's it. Life at times
can suck and sometimes it's monotonous groundhog day. Every single
day you figure out either a way to challenge yourself
or you go do something else. What do you think?
Let me know. I love hearing from you. Ready on

(52:27):
the Chad Benson Show. In today's world, we're kind of
in the no higher, no fire thing. So talk to
your manager. Find out if there's growth, if there's opportunity.
If not, are you gonna really quit? Not unless you
have something else. So either become very entrepreneurial or only fans.
And that's for just a very few. If that's not

(52:48):
very nice chat, I'm just you know what, Settle down.
Settle down. And by the way, we're gonna talk about
only fans coming up in a little bit, you dirty
dogs out there, But it has nothing to do with
what you think. Okay, just letting you guys know that
some of you out there, you know, as we're talking
about the uh whole thing with COVID, a lot of

(53:11):
you chimed in remembering the ridiculousness of COVID and how
things went. Remember the spike in only fans in the
adult stuff. A lot of that you trace back to
COVID people sitting at home, worried about money, not having enough,
all of this stuff, bored camera and away they go.

(53:36):
It was, uh, so you can blame doctor Fauci for that,
But he is I know, he's science. Did you know
how I know he's science because he tells everybody.

Speaker 23 (53:46):
Anybody who's looking at this carefully realizes that there's a
distinct anti science flavor to this. So if they get
up and criticize science, nobody's going to know what they're
talking about. They get up and really aim their bullets
at Tony Fauci. Well, people could recognize there as a
person there, so it's easy to criticize. But they're really

(54:08):
criticizing science because I represent science.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Oh, it's such a clown. He's such a clown. Give
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Speaker 2 (54:43):
Covidnight The War continues warnings about everywhere by whom.

Speaker 24 (54:50):
Is really Prime Minister Benjamin and Yahoo who launched this
war with the US issuing this warning In an interview
with our Lindsay Davis.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
If Aaron does strike Israel, how will you respond?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
I think they'll make a terrible mistake and we'll respond very,
very forcefully.

Speaker 24 (55:07):
And Yahoo has also been less optimistic than President Trump
that a deal with Iron could ultimately be reached.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Oh, not a shocker, not a shocker. Indeed, people, did
anybody expect him to be more optimistic? No? Why should
he be. He's not optimistic because there's no reason for
him to be optimistic. Excited is probably what he is
because he sees this thing going the way he wants
it to, which is it's going to evolve into something

(55:35):
that is probably going to see boots on the ground.
I hope not, and I hope him totally wrong. But
and then potentially things go really sideways in Iran and
it devolves into a civil war, which is what I
think he's hoping for. He wants to be New Syria,
because what I would like to see Somebody ask him

(55:59):
and say, mister ned Yello, tell me what is your
dream when it comes to the Iran situation. Paint a
picture of what it's going to be like. Don't say, well,
it's for them not to be the power and hold
everybody hostage. Tell me what that looks like. Don't give

(56:22):
me a blanket statement. That's just ridiculous. Just tell me,
just go ahead, tell me. Nobody ever does. We'll say, well,
you know, it's complicated and we don't want them to
have nuclear weapons, and blurdy blurdy blow and there you go.
So there's that. How's the marker going to react? How's

(56:42):
gas can react? Because that's what we care about, because
life's expensive and we don't want it to be expensive anymore,
but it is, and gas is going up.

Speaker 20 (56:52):
A new estimate this morning from Moody's Analytics shows that
the typical American household has now spent an extra one
hundred and seventy two dollars in gas, diesel, home heating,
and jet fuel expenses combined since the start of the
Iran War. Gas Buddy's also predicting the drivers. We'll see
the highest prices for the month of August on record.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
All Right, it's winning. The winning continues, the winning continues.
But we've got this unlock. We've got this one right, No,
because we don't even know what that looks like. CIA
guy John Kerricu, former CIA guy, being completely honest about
whether or not we can win this in the way

(57:33):
that is rinse and repeat, do the same thing. Tonight
that we did last night. Maybe increase a little bit,
do the same thing tonight that we did the night
before that see where we're going with that.

Speaker 25 (57:45):
No, none of this works, and this is an ongoing
problem that we've seen stretch over the course of decades.
I saw it at the CIA. It's easy to invade
a country, it's easy to kill the leadership, but it's
almost impossible to come up with an exit strategy that works.
And we never think these things through. There's never an
exit strategy. We always think that we're going to be

(58:08):
greeted as liberators, and we're never greeted as liberators. We're
greeted as invaders and occupiers.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
What what have we said on this show on numerous occasions,
We are amazing at getting into stuff. We are awful
at sticking the landing. If you do not have a
plan to exit, then plan to fail. Right. If you

(58:42):
fail to plan, plan to fail. We have war plans.
We don't have exit strategies. We need exit strategies. What
does it look like If I was to say, mister
Prime Minister, what does it look like? If I was
to say, mister President, what does it look like? Well,
we won't want them to have a nuclear weapon. Okay,

(59:02):
that's not what it looks like. What does it even mean?
That is the most blanket statement. Three months from now,
six months from now, all is said and done, and
you're able to wave the magic wand of reality, not
something ridiculous like well they're all Christians now and we
got rid of all the most I mean, just tell
me what it looks like in reality. That's your starting point.

(59:31):
Your starting point should always be the end. Well, how
do you have a starting point at the end, because
we're going to work backwards. Here's the answer to the question. Now,
let me work it out backwards. We want this now,
how do we get to that? This is what we

(59:53):
want to do. This is how we leave. How do
we get to that? I don't know. I don't know
if we're going to not in the way I just
like I said the Rinsem repeat, it's just not going
to work right. I think we can understand that. And
now we're hearing it's a good chance that this could
get a little bit uglier in the coming weeks, that
this may escalate in a major way, and that some

(01:00:16):
of our leaders throughout the region are kind of telling
Trump this this right here. What are we doing? We've
done everything we can based on what we're doing, we

(01:00:36):
can't do it anymore at this point in time. You're
putting a hat on a hat. When you blow this
thing up over here, it's not changing the outcome. Go
back to it. What's the outcome? What do you want?
We'll see, we'll see if the outcome is going to be.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
I don't don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I mean, somebody, please let me know what you think
the outcome is, because I'm curious, because if I bet,
if you ask ten people in the administration, you're gonna
get at least six to eight people that are gonna
give you completely different answers. All of them will say,

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we don't want them to have a nuclear weapon. Okay,
move that argument away, which is just the most stat answer.
It's the same answer that you get when you tell
people we shouldn't be in the warlake. They've been doing
this to us for forty seven years. Shut up. Just
that's all you got, is that what they told you

(01:01:36):
to say on Fox. No, you don't understand. They chant
death to America. They chant death to America, and we
blow them up all the while. How's that debt? Working
out for us. Oh, we're going into more debt. How's

(01:01:57):
that economy going for you? By the way, just out
of care curiosity, I'd like to ask everybody this again,
and if you saw this yesterday, medicare part dy the
the subsidies for it are going to be going away
next year. Now. I know that the Republicans, even prior
to Trump, have solved healthcare. They have told me on

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numerous occasions by trying to eliminate Obamacare. And I was
not a huge fan of Obamacare at all. I'm not
a huge fan of the government and the way that
they got into the medicine world, if you will, the
world of hospitals. Well, they don't really have hostile you
guys get we're going with this. They're in every aspect
of healthcare. But that's going away. And I just sit

(01:02:45):
there and go wow, cause they're they're coming out and say, oh,
don't worry, because you know, we've cut prescription prices by
five hundred, six hundred, eighty two thousand percent. Ok. Okay,
that's right, we cut about eighty two thousand percent. And
because of that, even if it goes up ten dollars

(01:03:08):
on your your you know, a month, you're saving so
much anyways, and I'm like, wow, let me tell you
some medicare anything to do with medicare know that that
group that relies on it are consistent in a lot
of things, and number one being they vote. So we'll see.

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Speaking of money, OnlyFans, I said, I was going to
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I want to give you some numbers here to understand
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rated X stuff, but OnlyFans is a lot of things

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that are not the nudity and the sexual in nature,
if you will. In fact, many people we said it
became really big during COVID. It exploded there. But I
remember people talking about, oh, yeah, they follow this mechanic

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and he will give them tips on stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
These are usually people who have a following already besides
just building a following on there. But fitness trainers, chefs
and cooking classes were a huge. Musicians, artists, photographers, gamers, cosplay.
Some say for work, some not so much, pet and
animal creators, teachers, tutors, yogas, wellness instructors, you name it,
so many things, sports, personalities, all of these things. So

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everybody thinks it's one hundred percent of adult content and
that's not true. But that's what it's come to become
famous for. And I will tell you this. They've got
another group that heading two only fans. And you're saying,
who is that? Well, it's you know, they're cute. They're cute.

(01:05:10):
Oh are they cute? Yeah, they're cute, but they're cute
in a different way.

Speaker 26 (01:05:13):
It's a hard knock life for marmots being mistaken in movies.
Oh nice and nature.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I think it's a beaver.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
It's a beaver.

Speaker 26 (01:05:23):
But researchers in Colorado are betting that the largest members
of the squirrel family can become unforgettable online stars.

Speaker 19 (01:05:31):
Marmots are fascinating characters because they are charismatic. It's the
soap opera.

Speaker 26 (01:05:37):
Doctor Daniel Blumstein's team calls themselves the marmoteers.

Speaker 18 (01:05:41):
Okay cool.

Speaker 26 (01:05:43):
For sixty five years, the Rocky Mountain Biological Laboratory has
studied yellow bellied marmots, one of six species found in
North America. Now, in the wake of federal funding cuts.
They're getting creative.

Speaker 19 (01:05:55):
Marmots have money troubles, and I figured, why not we
launch an only fans site. I brought that idea back
to the lab. One of my students is like, great ideas.
Someone else screamed out, only Marms.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I'm like, oh, yeah, only marms. I love that. That's right, kids,
They've got their only fans page. It's only marms when
you go on there. What what they should do if
they want to raise money is put hot chicks in
bikinis holding a marmot. But you know what, you guys
do you.

Speaker 26 (01:06:25):
The wholesome only fans page, Only Marms, free to subscribe,
but run by tips. What kind of market is there
for marmots on only fans?

Speaker 21 (01:06:36):
You know?

Speaker 19 (01:06:36):
This is g rated cute animals doing things.

Speaker 26 (01:06:40):
The team also collaborating with a local brewery for a
special edition beer. Seven months of the year, the soccer
ball sized rodents are in hibernation, but every summer they're
on a mission to pack on the pounds before their
next season of slumber.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah, they're hilarious. If you guys have never seen them,
they are you. I've probably thought it was a squirrel
or you didn't maybe recognize when you see them and
how hilarious they are because they are expressive, they do
crazy things. It is funny. And these guys are just

(01:07:15):
trying to figureut a way of how do they fund
their stuff? Right? How do we fund our research into giant,
huge rodents? Rodents of unusual size? Remember that for the
movie Princess brid.

Speaker 26 (01:07:31):
And much like the Fat Bear Week at Catmi National
Park in Alaska that's captivated millions around the world, the
marmoteers are launching the first ever Fat Marmot Week in August,
a survival of the not so fittest competition among true
hibernators to see who can put on the most weight
and be crowned the chunkiest of them all.

Speaker 19 (01:07:51):
But the epitome of a marmot is one that looks
like a breadloaf. By the end of the season, body
positivity is all about marmots. I mean, you want these
guys to get obese, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
And you're thinking to yourself, oh my god, obese. Yeah,
because they're gonna be sleeping, so they're not going to
be eating. So you want them to be fat so
they're not going to starve.

Speaker 26 (01:08:16):
So far, the first contender in the ring Dan's Hat,
an adult female described as a cool aunt, her name
inspired by the markings on her coat that look eerily
similar to doctor Blumstein's cowboy hat.

Speaker 21 (01:08:29):
We're searching for one thing, and one thing only.

Speaker 26 (01:08:32):
And while these funny herbivores are no strangers up in
the mountains or on the Internet, there's still more to
learn about what makes marmots so wildly entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, so they're trying to raise about seventy five grand,
give or take. There's a project leader, Dan Blumstein, who
you're there to cover minor gear, fuel costs, bicycles, bait.
They just don't have enough. So they need about seventy
five grand, give or take. And they just started the

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other day, and I have a feeling over the next
couple days and weeks they will get to that. But
only marms kids even, you know, it's tough when the
rodents and the cute fuzzies are having turned to the
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Speaker 10 (01:10:54):
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With all of the stuff happening out there, you know,
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Now it's time for the urban word of the day.
The young have a vocabulary all their own, and we
break it down for you. It's called the urban word
of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
All right, your urban word of the day today is
regular regular, but regular degular. That means I want it
as plain as you can give it to me. You
don't want anything on it. You want a burger, make
sure there's just regular degular, meaning give me a cheeseburger
with cheese and the meat. I'll figure out the rest later.

(01:11:49):
I want it regular degular because that's who I am
for me. I'm very simple that way. But now with
all this stuff going on, you may not want all
those vegetables and stuff on there, just in case something
could happen. You see where I'm going on a regular
regular is your urban word of the day?

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That was the urban word of the day, now you know?

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Three two, three, five, three eight, twenty four to twenty
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Coming up our number three, we'll have the latest on
Iran and the economy. What does the GDP look like?
Are we starting to stroll? Also got some of your

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text messages as well as God joined in the program.
Who left Mega? Left Maga start an organization called Leavingmaga
dot org. He's going to join the program. We're going
to talk about how'd you get into Mega, why'd you
leave Maga? And why'd you start the organization? What does
it do? Talk a bit about that as well a

(01:12:52):
bunch of other good stuff, including a little what's trending
for you? Our number three is straight ahead. This is
the Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 10 (01:13:02):
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hate to break.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
The news to everybody out there, but if your mother
or father, grandmother or grandfather happens to be in a
nursing home somewhere, you may have to go over and
clean up, you know, because there's going to be nobody
to do it. The Haitians. They getting rid of them.
You don't have to hide your dogs anymore. You don't
have to hide your swans or cats or whatever. They

(01:13:53):
said they were eating out there in Ohio. Remember that
because they're gone temporary. The TA stands for temporary, which
in politics usually means forever. But they're done now. Overnight
took away their TPS overnight.

Speaker 12 (01:14:09):
US officials confirming after days of confusion that the Temporary
Protected Status for more than three hundred thousand Haitians living
in the US has officially ended, leaving them without jobs
and at risk for deportation.

Speaker 13 (01:14:23):
They have done nothing that deserves inhumane treatment, nothing that
deserves them to be shackled.

Speaker 12 (01:14:29):
Homeland Security now telling businesses they can no longer legally
employ Haitians who had TPS status, which was granted after
the devastating earthquake in Haiti back in twenty ten. One
industry concerned about this change the elder care industry because
since twenty ten, many Haitians have taken jobs in nursing
homes or senior living facilities as assistants and caregivers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
We had a couple of Haitian women that took care
of our grandfather. They were awesome with him, and that's
why he was still living at home. But when he
went to finally to have to go to a place
where because he couldn't even be trusted when they weren't

(01:15:15):
there for a minute, and mostly Haitians that were there,
and the TPS right, the temporary it does stand for temporary.
The question is some of these people have been here
for what ten plus years, over a decade plus, why
haven't they gone on and gotten any of the stuff
they needed to make themselves permitted here or were they

(01:15:37):
not allowed to do this? Who's going to take care
of these people? We don't have robots yet. Okay, we're
not there yet. And nobody wants that job. They're willing
to do it, nobody does. Nobody wants to pay be
paid very little and maybe we should demand that you
pay people better, but you don't want to do That's
the weird thing where when I'm talking with people, They're like, well,

(01:16:01):
you should get a better job. What they should pay
him more? Should we make them pay No, we don't
want to make them pay them more. So again, they're
willing to do the job. Have you had to do
an adults diaper pick up some awful stuff that might

(01:16:23):
have happened? Do you want to do that? Probably not.
I would assume that's not something most people are interested in.
And once again, the tea was temporary. They've been here
for a while. What happened that it couldn't become permanent?
And I'm not talking about being a citizen, but as

(01:16:45):
a Green card holder. What happened?

Speaker 12 (01:16:48):
Ohio's Republican governor says Haitians have helped revitalize part of
his state.

Speaker 27 (01:16:54):
It is not in the United States' interest, certainly not
in Ohio's interest to have people who are working every
single day, who are supporting a family, who are buying houses,
fixing up old houses, starting businesses and then put deep
roots in this country and really are contributing, and yank

(01:17:15):
them out.

Speaker 12 (01:17:16):
But the Trump administration argused temporary protected status means just
that temporary, not permanent.

Speaker 14 (01:17:22):
America's doors are closed fully to a side of the seekers.

Speaker 12 (01:17:26):
Critics of the plan worry Haitians will now be sent
back to one of the most dangerous countries on earth.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
It includes children who have been born here in our
American citizens.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
We have to do better, right Is there nothing where
common sense comes in and say, look, guys, you guys
have six months to get your permanent status. We're going
to do a deeper dive into your background check. Well,
I don't again, there's always more to the story, but

(01:17:58):
it just the want to get everybody out of here.
It is frustrating because we thought you're going to go
after the worst first, and you're going after whoever you
can get. And if you've dealt with people before at
nursing homes, you know who does that thankless awful job.

(01:18:22):
You know who does that? And we'll see you know.
I mean, I want immigration reform, and unfortunately the issue
is too big to actually fix. So in the world
of politics, when something becomes too big to fix, you
better capitalize on it for as long as you can. Because,

(01:18:43):
as we always say, kids, they're still pissed about abortion
going to the state rather than the Feds. Meanwhile, the
war is still raging, ish raging, ish, but it could
heat up, could heat up sooner rather than later. Overnight,

(01:19:05):
there were more attacks as we have come and gone
after them. Retaliatory if you will.

Speaker 24 (01:19:12):
The US launching retaliatory strikes against Iran, the Pentagon calling
it a powerful response after the regime targeted American forces
in the region.

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
We're going to be hitting them very hard because it's
our term to hit them.

Speaker 25 (01:19:24):
They know it's coming.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Thro riskin is not to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
The war only escalating across the Middle East.

Speaker 24 (01:19:30):
Two ships, one owned by the US, were hitting an
apparent drone strike off Egypt's coast.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Yeah, and commander over there name Brad Cooper. He's an admiral.
He is basically getting all the ducks in a row
of what he says will be a two week plan
to escalate the strikes in Iran that will devastate them.

(01:20:03):
And this time they mean it. It'll take out all
of their stuff. They meet it this time, not just
running up the score. While that's going on. Gas prices
up means inflation's going up. GDP down slows to one
point five percent. Okay, so that was the first quarter.

(01:20:25):
But the economic drivers, you know, solid in some areas,
other areas not so much. Can you know, everybody's like, well,
consumer spending is still you know, climbing, but the saving
rates of it lo consumer. When things get more expensive
and you're buying or at least trying to buy the

(01:20:48):
same amount of stuff, costs are going to be more.
So therefore spending looks like everybody's spending okay, yeah, but
they're now spending where on their credit cards? My god,
it was an Apple rolled out. You could lease their
computers now and their stuff. We're at the point now
where you can lease their goodies. Got to change it,

(01:21:11):
all right. So inflation up three point three percent, GDP
one point five percent. Obviously a lot of that's pointing
at what's going on when it comes to the war,
and we're going to see what takes place in the
next couple, you know, weeks and months. Are they really

(01:21:33):
going to do a hardcore two solid weeks of blowing
stuff up? I have no idea the possibilities there. But
as some others have said, and I think it was
Joint Chiefs raising Cain who is kind of told Trump,

(01:21:57):
all right, we've we've done everything we can here when
it comes to from the air, we were outside of
dropping a nuke. There is nothing else we can do
to change the course on the ground. You're putting a
hat on a hat, as I said earlier, which you're
blowing something up. You've already blown up. That's not going

(01:22:20):
to fix the problem. So what comes from here? I
mean the last thing, you know, you had Alex Jones
out there yesterday going bleeding for the twenty fifth because
he's got a good authority that there is going to
be a draft coming soon. And I don't think that's

(01:22:41):
going to happen. I would like to think that this
administration would not do something like that. So but we'll
we'll find out if you I mean, if they really.
I mean, I just don't see how dropping bombs on
their bridges then their infrastructure and hasn't changed their minds

(01:23:02):
now is going to somehow change their minds in the future.
I just don't. I don't foresee that happening at all.
So hmmm. Could be an interesting few weeks, to say
the least, because Trump has no I mean, you know,

(01:23:23):
leaving is the best option, and that's an option that
politically and ego wise, he just cannot muster. He can't.
You know, we have said in our position here on
the Chad Benson Show is ebbs and flows start, stop,
escalate when you think you need to calm back down,

(01:23:46):
let them do their thing, and then escalate. You'll see
the oil prices fluctuate. Gas prices will stay stubbornly high
even when things come down a little bit, because everybody's
waiting for the next thing. And I think before any
real big thing is going to take place, I think
that would be probably after the midterms, especially if the

(01:24:07):
Republicans lose, so we will see. It's unfortunate, unfortunate. Several
of you've chimed in about doctor Fauci eighteen ninety eight
says Fauci's always been an attention hooter and a lying
one at that. But Ran Paul is wrong. Go Bongo
trying to get him to admit gain of function research

(01:24:27):
was wrong. Half the biological meds out there come from
gain of function research. It's been around forever, it's part
of the process. But its lies and cover up was wrong,
and I think a lot of people understood that. Again,
not everything that happened was his fault, but a lot
that happened came because of him. The way that states

(01:24:50):
and people reacted. That's on them. The gain of function
cover up the more you cover up. It's the Strissand effect.
And he even talked about Streissand in his little the
more that people are going to look, and that is
a problem that he had because he didn't want people
to look outside of being beloved, if that makes sense.

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Chad Benson.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Joe, you're listening to the Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Now it's time to find out what's trending? What's trending?

Speaker 28 (01:26:34):
Stein James Dean, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Russia.

Speaker 16 (01:26:46):
Ser.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
What trumping? All right, it's funny spreending on the older
New ebs on this Thursday. Let start with a little
yeahoo spider Man. Spider Man, Yes, spider Man. What are
the previews? It's weird because the movie, like it pretty
much opens today, but they call it previews today. And

(01:27:18):
let's just put it this way, massive opening this weekend.
I've seen estimates here in America two hundred to two fifty,
globally two eighty to three hundred. We're looking probably between
five and six hundred million dollar opening, if not more.
And it's everybody keeps saying it's the best Tom Holland
Spider Man of all. Imagine being that guy, right, now,

(01:27:42):
so you're one of the main characters in the Odyssey
along with your wife Zendeia, and you're in and starring
in Spider Man along with your wife and Zendia. Life
is good, is what I'm saying. Life is good. Tab
of that had some of the things trending on Yahoo.
Fed's holding rates steady. Jared Leto faces misconduct allegations Trump

(01:28:08):
in the Supreme Court because of the egene. Carrol wants
them to throw out that eighty three million dollar schibaber.
I don't know if that's gonna happen. Over to Google,
number one trending thing, Doctor Fauci, Liverpool and Wrexham New
CNN SSRs Pole on Trump says Trump is the best

(01:28:30):
way to put it. Don't be mad at the Messenger kids, okay?
John Fetterman trending Taysom Hill says he's not coming back
to the Saints, and Caitlin Clark and the w NBA
All Star ratings are up. I wonder why. And over

(01:28:52):
to Yes the One and Only Magical X Doctor Fauci Fauci,
pardon see, we're going Beagles And now you know what's
trending all over the internet right here on the Chad
Benson Show. Alan Richson, who plays Reacher, getting a lot

(01:29:13):
of anger by the right over some of the stuff
that he said about Trump and the Catholic Church and
oh goodness me just a few of the things trending
in the magical world of X the Alan Richson, who
is the guy that plays Reacher, his comments lately have

(01:29:34):
been you know, they have been great for Trump, the
White House, they have been great for the Catholic Church.
People get offended by some of the stuff that he says.
I you know, watching again, the both sides are so
defensive if they feel they're being attacked. Oh how dare you?
And the right? You guys have gotten that way. I'm sorry,

(01:29:55):
it's just the reality of it.

Speaker 29 (01:29:56):
I'm just supposed to let go of my resentment that
this working guy is just the world that he lives
in for whatever game he personally can have, and I'm
supposed to let that go, and then what it still exists?

Speaker 25 (01:30:07):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
I'm not gonna let him go. I hate it.

Speaker 29 (01:30:11):
I hate that that still lives in the world, unabated, unchecked, unresolved.
Uncleansed look at the Catholic Church and like the predatory
behavior that is just going completely unmet with those victims
that are still like unheard, unseen, no forgiveness, no resolution.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
No cure, and what is what is releasing.

Speaker 29 (01:30:32):
The resentment gonna do for the world? Like I think
we should hold onto some of that anger. So somebody
gets Guy Ritchie and wakes up in a pool of
their on teeth of blood coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
We talked to a man who left MAGA. But he
was deep in Maga to the point where it was
like his family. But then he decided to leave. He
started an organization. We'll talk about that straight ahead right
here on The Chad Benson Show, The Chad Benton Show.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
The Chad Benson Show.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Joining us now is a man who started an organization.
I saw billboard here in Nashville called that Leavingmaga dot Org.
Rich Logis joins the program. All right, Rich, you've left MAGA.
That wasn't something you did as a snap decision, and
you weren't in MAGA, just saying you were kind of
in Mega. You were in there. Tell us about your journey.
How did you go from being in Maga to leaving Maga?

Speaker 14 (01:31:44):
You know, in twenty fifteen, I was someone who was
very politically lonely. I was an independent. I felt that
both parties were the same. I thought that most elected
officials cared only about their donors and the wealthy and
the powerful. And when Trump came on the scene, even
though he came from the world of wealth and influence,

(01:32:06):
I was very enticed by his outsider status without any government, military,
or political experience. And I was seduced by the burned
all down ethos of his campaign because I thought that
democracy had failed most Americans and that we needed a
major disruption to our status quo. And I didn't just

(01:32:26):
support Trump on the periphery, vote for him come back
in four years. I wound up working on the campaign.
I was a grassroots activist. I helped write part of
the call script for the campaign. I showed people where
to get registered to vote. I recruited Bernie Sanders voters
to support Trump. I was all in, unapologetically a Trump supporter.

(01:32:47):
And after the twenty sixteen election, when all of us
were vindicated and validated, I got deeper and deeper into
the mega community. I wound up professionally producing a podcast.
I wrote for lots of Magama media. I've had bylines
and places like Fox and the Federalist and Real Queer Politics.
I wrote for a site called WorldNet Daily, which is

(01:33:09):
a site that popularized the Obama birther conspiracy. I spoke
at Trump groups. I was a donor at Trump groups.
I was a donor to the twenty twenty campaign. I
worked on the campaign. I was unapologetically public in my
support for Trump. But the cracks for me started to
form in the summer of twenty twenty one. And if

(01:33:30):
we remember, at that time, the delta surge from COVID
was ravaging the country. Kids were getting sick, kids were dying.
I have two small children, and it actually the first
accelerant was not Donald Trump. It was my governor in Florida,
Ron Desantez, who platformed COVID anti vaxers at a press conference.

(01:33:50):
And when he did that with the delta surge across
the country, it really shocked and confused me. And I
did something that sounds very simple, Chad, but was very
profoundly life altering and changing for me, which was I
diversified my news and information sources. And after I did that,
I started to slowly realize that so much of what

(01:34:11):
it was that I believed turned out to be false.
I write in my memoir, which came out this year,
one betrayal too many. I write about a they in
the book and that they were mostly Democrats, and this
was a group of people, a cabal, a shadowy group
of Democrats, liberals and progressives who were trying to abridge
my rights and indoctrinate my children. And I had this

(01:34:34):
belief that there was this they who were trying to
conspire against Trump supporters. But I started to realize as
I widened my information aperture and I integrated more mainstream
media sources, and I started to look away from Megamedia.
I realized I was mistaken and that I had allowed

(01:34:56):
myself to believe lives, falsehoods, and con cospiracy theories. And
so I had a lot of late nights just myself,
just a lot of personally tumultuous time, and I went
through almost an entire year of grappling and struggling with
the fact that I was wrong to have believed what
I believed. And the final straw for me was May

(01:35:18):
twenty was on May twenty four, twenty twenty two, which
was a day of Uvalde, Texas school shooting, and even
though Trump wasn't in office, I knew exactly how he
and the GOP would respond, and they did as I anticipated.
They called for more guns and more access to guns,
and even as a gun owner, I found that to

(01:35:39):
be offensive. And it was the day that I quietly
left MAGA. But there was something that had been gnawing
at me for doing it privately, and I decided to
go public, and on August thirtieth, the twenty twenty two,
I wrote a Maya Copa and in this article I
said that I was sorry for supporting Trump and MAGA,
and I wanted to apologize to anyone that may have

(01:36:01):
hurt with my words, deeds, and rhetoric and the God's
honest truth, as I never thought anybody would care, but
it turned out people did care. I received one desperate
message after another from those who have friends and family
still in the thrall of MAGA, and it was born
from all of that, Chad came our organization Leaving Maga,

(01:36:21):
which we are. We have formed as a new community
as a destination and an exit ram for people to
leave behind and walk away from MAGA.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Talking to Rich Logis, he is the founder of Leaving
Maga dot org Rich echo chambers. Man, It's one of
the things I've seen on some of your interviews, but
also I have read some of the stuff you've talked about,
and we do live in echo chambers, and people get
their news usually from and this is both sides, from
one source that affirms their beliefs. And that's something that

(01:36:55):
you found out that, Hey, if there is other sources
out there, they tell a difference story. How is that
open up your eyes? And do you think it's going
to open up other people's eyes if they want to
hear it.

Speaker 14 (01:37:06):
You know, when I was in Maga, I was addicted
to fear and rage. I was always afraid of somebody
or something, and I was always enraged at someone or something.
And looking back on it, the media that I consumed,
exactly as you just said, it reinforced and affirmed those addictions.

(01:37:27):
You know, for example, no one watches Fox News to edify,
inform or enlighten oneself. They do it because Fox affirms
and reinforces those addictions to rage and fear. And I
realized after leaving that there has been a multi decade

(01:37:47):
coordinated effort to dehumanize, vilify, and demonize democrats and liberals,
progressives and leftists, and this AJUVE prop and propaganda has
been effective, it has been consistent, and it's been disciplined.
And I'm not saying that MAGA is the only information
siloed group in the country. I think all groups to

(01:38:10):
some extent live in that bubble, in that echo chamber.
But when I started stepping away from the MAGA media
echo chamber, I came to conclude that while MAGA isn't
the only info siloed group, we were the most infosiled group.
You know, any information that had that was going to

(01:38:31):
refute or challenge any of the pervasively held beliefs in mythologies.
When I was in MAGA, it was shunned, it was
kept out. And for all of the mythologies of rugged
individualism and epier feelings and all of that, in MAGA,
the realities that MAGA was almost wholly an emotional and
conformist community. So I think that one of the techniques

(01:38:55):
that we have, one of the techniques we have deployed
that I think can have some SIK access is what
we call information bartering, And what that means is that
we exchange information with our MAGA identified close friend and
loved one. We read something that they that they read
or listen to or watch, and they read or listen

(01:39:15):
to watch something that we provide them, and it's not
to change their mind, but it's to give them an
alternative set of facts and information because one of the
one of the reasons for our divides is that two
large groups of people are living in different realities. And

(01:39:38):
it's very hard to overcome the polarization and the divides
when we've got differing groups living in differing realities. And
so for me, it was when I was looking outside
of Megamedia, Chad, I integrated into my media diet what

(01:40:00):
we would consider just mainstream legacy media. You know, your
New York Times, your Washington Post, your AP, your NPR,
your PBS. When I was in MEGA, I was consuming
Rush Limbaugh and Breitbart and Fox and in particular Tucker Carlson.
So all I was getting were MAGA talking points, which

(01:40:24):
was why I was always so enraged and so afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Talking to riche Logis, who is the founder of leaving
Mega dot org, you know, when you left MAGA, one
of the things I've seen you talk about is the
fact that this just wasn't you leaving a quote unquote
political movement, you left behind people that you know, you
believed were family, and that's tough.

Speaker 14 (01:40:48):
You know, I had what I consider to be a
second family in Maga. You know, we did holiday events,
birthday events, kid events, everything that you would do with
close friends and family. With my fellow MAGA compatriots, the
ones I got close with. We spoke and communicated every
single day, year after year. So forget about taking a

(01:41:09):
day off from MAGA. I never took an hour off
from it. That's how much of an obsession it was
for me. And one of the more terrifying aspects of leaving,
and it was one that I had to really grapple with,
was I knew that if I was going to leave,
I was going to walk away from that second family,
that community where I was seen and heard and respected

(01:41:34):
and appreciated and I was validated, and all of those
are made for a very intoxicating community. And I was
very lucky because when I left, I didn't have anywhere
to go. I knew it. I came to conclude it
was the right decision. But that's where the idea of
leaving MAGA as an organization came from, is that I

(01:41:57):
remember thinking right before I formed, there had to have
been others out there like me who also left, and
I knew that without a place to go, it would
make it less likely for people over time to leave Maga.
Because for those right now who are having their doubts,
who have quietly left, Chad, I am convinced that there

(01:42:20):
are more people in Maga than ever who are harboring
doubts and confusion. And I think they are more than
ever whom we realize have privately and quietly left Maga.
And we want to give them a comfortable space where
there can be a way for them to give witness

(01:42:41):
to their testimony. And for those who are having doubts,
we want to give them a place where they can
work through that and meet other people who went through
a very similar odyssey of being deep in Maga and
then leaving. And we also have a focus on friends
and family of those still in the thrall of Maga.
Every Tuesday night we do an online free support group,

(01:43:04):
and this is for friends and family, and the support
group is not designed to try to give people tools
to change their mega identified close ones. No one can
change another person. The change has to come from within.
There's no one who could have said or done anything

(01:43:26):
to me or said to me when I was in
MAGA that would have made me change my mind. It
had to happen on its own. But at the support group,
we show people how to focus on self care, setting boundaries,
and relieving themselves of the pressures of feeling like they
can change their MEGA identified close ones. So it's very

(01:43:48):
much a focus on nonviolence and how to better navigate
these relationships and come to a place of acceptance in
peace where we acknowledge that those who are in Mega
deep down, I believe are mostly good people who have
been led astray. And I'm not defending the ignorance of

(01:44:10):
myself for others, but I think most people in MAGA
have been exploited and manipulated and have had their natural fears, concerns, hopes,
and dreams also exploited and manipulated. And that's the point
that I come back to, which is pro and anti
MAGA people, that we have a chance to form an

(01:44:32):
unlikely but necessary alliance between those who have never been
MAGA and those who have left. And if we're going
to talk about the big tent and pro democracy and
we're looking at the midterms in twenty twenty eight. I
am not a historian, but what I know about our
history is that every time we were in a crisis
situation and we are in one right now, the way

(01:44:53):
we've progressed, move forward, gotten past it is by forming
unlikely but necessary alliances.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
And I would.

Speaker 14 (01:45:00):
Encourage those who are hearing this, who are left leaning,
who might be thinking, well, I don't want to I
don't want to associate with the former MAGA person. I
would ask you to consider the choices. The options are
to reject or to welcome, and while shunning someone might
feel good in the moment. If we're going to actually
build out pro democracy coalitions, we need as many people

(01:45:24):
as we can get. And what I would say about
those in our community who left MAGA, none of them
are required to become Democrats. We have no ideological purity tests.
But their views shift and moderate, and as a result
of that, they don't vote for MAGA candidates, even those
who are identified as conservative in our community. They are

(01:45:48):
Democratic voters, but many of us are not actually Democrats.
We've just decided to hitch the wagon to the option
that we see as flawed but superior to MAGA. When
I was in Maga was a fantasy of ours to
kill off the GOP and transform it into a Maga party.

(01:46:08):
And I think that that has been achieved and accomplished.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Right on, brother rich lojis leaving Maga dot org. I
appreciate you coming on today and I hope we do
it again.

Speaker 14 (01:46:16):
Yeah, my pleasure chat. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 15 (01:47:35):
Serving up Talk radio medium, rare and dripping with irony.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
It's Chadthenson.

Speaker 29 (01:47:43):
As we wrap up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
This surge, say, several of you have chimed in about
the interview with rich Low just leaving MAGA dot org
and people are like, why are you hard on mag
And the other people are like, yeah, they need to
hear that. I think everybody needs to hear it. Right
and left. Remember Brandon, the guy who started the walkaway campaign,
who was on the left. I interviewed him on several
occasions as well. I want to get us out of

(01:48:05):
the echo chambers. My goal here on our show is
to have fun infotainments, but to get us thinking independently,
so we're not cheaple. That's my goal, and I don't
care what side of the aisle you're on. We need
to get out of the echo chambers. Have conversations and

(01:48:25):
if you're serious about the truth, seek out what you
think you may be missing from a story.

Speaker 25 (01:48:32):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
That's simple. And if you're offended by me having that
guy on, well that says a lot right there about
maybe the fact that you're in some sort of cult
like echo chamber. Just putting that out there. Three two, three, five,
three eight, twenty four to twenty three at Chad Benson Show.
That is your ex your Insta, your YouTube, and all
of the other things. Love hearing from each and every

(01:48:53):
one of you right here on the Chad Benson Show.
Shall we leave you with some words of wisdom?

Speaker 30 (01:48:59):
You should say, go on your fears, don't let him
fester and hold you back. If you got something you're
afraid of doing, just start just start doing it, and
you'll find out that you didn't really have anything to
be afraid of to begin with, unless, of course, you're
sole money from a drug cartel and you're in hiding.
I want, I want to try to face those guys.

(01:49:20):
Probably the best to be high from them, but everything
else you pretty much. You know you can do all
that stuff. Okay, bye.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
I think those are some words to live by, people,
Those are some words to live by. You guys, have
a blessed and amazing rest of your Oh I see
you Friday, Thursday. We'll do it again tomorrow. As always,
good night, night Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
This is the charm Fancy Show.