This Gay Week: LGBTQ Rights Are Under Attack Worldwide

LIVE From Ukraine: LGBTQ Rights Are Under Attack Worldwide | This Gay Week

What happens when you discuss LGBTQ rights while ballistic missiles are falling nearby?
This week on This Gay Week, Scott Jacobsen joins me live from Ukraine to examine the biggest LGBTQ stories from around the world—including the realities of living in a war zone while continuing to fight for equality.
This week’s stories include:
• Russia’s crackdown on LGBTQ people reaches absurd new levels, with even SpongeBob SquarePants caught in the Kremlin’s culture war.
• A Russian bar owner and two employees are arrested simply for allowing LGBTQ people to gather.
• Ukrainian LGBTQ soldiers risk their lives defending their country, only to return home still fighting for equal rights.
• Bulgaria holds a government-supported “Family March” on the same day as Pride, raising new questions about LGBTQ equality in Eastern Europe.
• New setbacks for transgender rights in the United States spark concern over whether similar policies could spread around the world.
These stories aren’t isolated—they’re part of a growing global struggle over equality, freedom, and human rights.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Showtime is here.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
No time to fear. Coral is so near because show
time is here.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
So on with the show.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's give it a go.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Karl is the.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
One that you need to know.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Now it's show signe.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hello, my little hedgehogs. It is time for another this
gay week with Scott Jacobson live in the Ukraine and me.
We'll talk about the monumental trans ruling here in the
United States, Ukrainian soldiers and so much more. Don't go anywhere,
all right, the so much more. Of course, it's Scott

(00:52):
Jacobson with the good Man Project. You can read at
the goodmanproject dot com and many many other places. He
is live in Ukraine and I'd like him to stay
that way. So he's gotten a warning from President Zelenski,
not just him personally, but a lot of people. And
what does the prayers have to say to you before
we go on air here?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
So approximately two hours ago the kief post posted on
Facebook or meta quote, Zelensky warned d Cranes to be
especially careful tonight, saying Russia has been preparing a massive strike.
He urged people to protect themselves, their families and children.
You shelters and follow area alert's warning quote this night
is exactly such a threat. Unquote. We have been expecting

(01:34):
him to make a big attack for a few days now,
maybe more than a week. We also had large attacks
on May twenty four, June second, and June fifteen in
the morning. Those are genuinely terrifying, except in the bathroom
and two of them, and the closet in the third.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, I couldn't sleep in a closet, but the bathroom
I could do. Now, let me ask you, morning is
late morning, he is late there. So when we finish,
here are you going into the bathroom? Might be what
are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It depends on the severity of the bombardments. It could
be a false alarm. However, it's good to be prudent
when the leader of the country, with more intelligence and
Intelligence service warnings can give you proper information about it.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, So when the president say this is going to
be a bad.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Night, this is a long war, they have experience with this.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Maybe it's just me, but it's gonna be a long night.
All right. Well, let's start this gay week with a
monumental US Supreme Court ruling singling out trans people for
no reason whatsoever, where They basically said state bans, and
they they banteaed about this on the behalf of state's rights,

(02:53):
where states that ban male to female transgendered people from
being in women's sports, those bands are upheld. They said
that the states had the right to create such bands
and that it was not their job to override state rights,
which they do all the time when it suits them.
It's a setback, it's unnecessary, it's hurtful, it's all of

(03:17):
those things. It gives the other parts of the world
license to do the same. They're struggling with this in
many countries, and now when they see what the US
Supreme Court does, I imagine they're more apt to say, oh, yeah,
see we can ban it. Not a good not a
good thing, not a good story, not a good ruling.
But what I'm sure they'll feel around the world, Scott,

(03:39):
because you know, as does America sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
The export, you know, the American ideological systems export a lot.
This happens to be one subset of them.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, and it's over such a ridiculous topic. You know,
I did the numbers and like it's it's so infinitesimal.
It's literally like one tenth of one percent of one
hundredth I mean, of the amount of trans people in
general population. I believe I looked it up. It was
one percent, is what I believe it said. And then

(04:13):
of those that want to be athletes are another one percent,
And of those that are of school age, which is
what this pertains to high schools and universities, that's another
one percent. So you have one percent of one percent
of I mean. So we're probably talking that this affects

(04:36):
five thousand, ten thousand people in the entire country. And
yet the Supreme Court at a time where chaos is
reigning in the United States, inflation out of control, social
security about to topple, climate change literally killing people in
the streets in Spain and France, and this is what
they're worried about. That scares me even more than their
rulings because this will be undone by the Democrats when

(04:59):
the Demo crowd to take power. But I'm more concerned
with the fact that everyone's more concerned with trans people
and where they pee or if they play sports than
saving the actual freaking planet. Uh So I have a
little bit of alarm there. Mm hm. As you're saying,
by the way, as you as you said, under siege

(05:22):
in a war that Trump said he would stop on
day one, and he has spent more time talking about
trans people than he has stopping the war. That you're
actually getting an advisory to, you know, Duck and pugget Uh,
it just really really does. All right, Well, then let
we should probably start with the Russian story since they're
probably gonna drop bombs on your head tonight. Haven't they

(05:43):
heard the pet Shop Boys and Liisam and Ellie's song
Don't drop bombs? One of the games.

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Speaker 1 (06:04):
Show Time is here.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
No time to.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Fear Corall is so near because showtime is here.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
So on with the show.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Let's give it a go.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Corell is the one.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
That you need to know.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Before we begin this story. Scott Jacobson, The good Man
Project in Ukraine. This Gay Week with Corell, I would
just like to say, I can't wait for the day
when conservatives in any part of the world look up
at the sky, see a rainbow and try to erect
some sort of burm so no one can see it.

(06:41):
I you know, these people have lost their minds. This
comes out of Russia. SpongeBob has been censored in Russia
amid LGBTQ propaganda fears. And there's a screenshot from someone
in Russia that was watching SpongeBob who put a rainbow
over his head and they blurred the rainbow. So I

(07:04):
guess my shirt would be a no go. But so
first of all, and this is the Kremlin aligned TV
station that did this. Can I just say that SpongeBob
is one of the gayest characters to exist in cartoons.
If you don't know that he's gay, you're not paying attention.

(07:26):
And the fact that it even airs in Russia, you know,
to blur a rainbow while you're still airing one of
the gayest cartoons around, it's just shows how stupid Vladimir
Putin and his policies are, because, as you know, we
reported it, they passed a law against LGBTQ propaganda. So

(07:49):
I guess SpongeBob and his square pants and his rainbow
over his head is speaking to gays or trying to
convert children or something. I'm not sure what their fear is,
but they got it well.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
When some American Christians will say that the Russia Federation
and America have quite a bit in common. This is
probably one of the things they have in mind outlawing
the stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, you know, someone said, I live in Russia. I
don't understand. Are they really that stupid? It's a regular rainbow,
It's not that rainbow. The day is not far off
when we will ban real rainbows. And really, I truly
believe that sooner or later they're gonna make glasses that

(08:38):
block rainbows. So if you're out in the world and
there's a rainbow in the sky, you won't you want
to be able to see it, because these people are
just this fucking crazy. Uh, and this ban in Russia.
You know, I have to tell them a little through
this week if you if you don't listen to my
regular show, but if you did, there was a running
theme all week. I'm pretty much fucking done, and so

(09:01):
I'm gonna be making some huge changes. I may even
just move out of my condo and go live in
a house without an HOA and just other stuff. I'm
just I'm really really done. And one of the things
I'm really done with is homophobia and perpetrated by old
rich white fucking men. You know, Vladimir Putin is one
of the gayest leaders around, you know, and he really is.

(09:23):
He lives like a gay man. He's prissy, he's prim
he's skincare products, he's you know, all this other crap
at surrounded only by men, you know, and has a
love affair with Donald Trump going on. But Vladimir Putin
making anti gay laws is like littering in a landfill.
I mean, it's just it's so fricking ridiculous. Uh. And

(09:45):
Donald Trump and the Supreme Court, and you know, these
people in Europe, you know what this each week we
come on here and we talk about this shit. It's
like history is not gonna judge these people. Well, it's
just not.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
And you know, Vladimir Putin will be judge poorly for
a variety of reasons, one of which will be his
stance on human rights, and that includes LGBTQ rights. And
when he is dead and gone, and that will be
sooner than later. The man is not immortal when he
is dead and gone. I do hope that Russians decide
to move in a more progressive fashion, because the Russians

(10:19):
that I meet, there's a ton of them in Las Vegas.
They left Russia for that very reason. You know, they
want progressive values. They want to advance into the future.
They don't want to be living in the Kremlin of old.
And you know, blurring a rainbow above a cartoon character's head,
how insecure is your manhood that you have to do that?

(10:42):
So you know, outside of having the smallest penis in
all of Russia, Vladimir Putin and all of those that
are banning, and we have proof that the more homophobic
you are, the more apt you are to want to
have same sex. So you know, it seems to me
Vladimir Putin wants to dorak half of his military.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, this is probably at about the level of the
American case of keyword searches for things like gay and
then eliminating government pages to historical moments in America like
the Aola gay right. It's a similar type of.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Oh, they took down the photo, they took down the picture.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I mean, I love this stuff. This is file.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
SpongeBob has been banned.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
In I was fourteen years old. I was fourteen years old,
I will tell you, and I went into our local
library and there's time of DVDs and I pulled out
a DVD and had very strange cover on this DVD
and it said Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl.
And the more time has gone by watching so much

(12:03):
Monty Python growing up, I've seen so much of just
that slanted view on life basically not only mimic the
life of their time in some way, but also be
predictive of how absurdist things can become.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
The Simpsons has successfully predicted over two hundred events that
have come true. The Simpsons. They even predicted Donald Trump
as president.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
On the Escalator too.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, they I mean, it's uncanny, and that's because good
comedy writers they know the absurd, but when they think
of the absurd, they think of it within guardrails. In
other words, this sounds absurd, but it could happen, you know,
And that's what makes it funny. You laugh because you think, well,
that's ridiculous, but then in your brain you're going, but

(12:58):
I could see it happening, you know. And it's the
same thing, just like science fiction is science prediction. I
fully believe most of what people write and science fiction
is going to come true, which is how I know
we're all fucked. Because AI is going to kill us.
But okay, another story out of Russia, since we're picking
on Vladimir. A bar owner and two employees I believe

(13:20):
were jailed under the lg the same thing, the LGBTQ
propaganda law. What was their crime? I couldn't seem to
find it in the story that maybe that's not in
the story. Maybe they didn't maybe they didn't come in
a crime.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
So an owner and two employees of Orenberg's Pose Club
were jailed under the Moscow's lgbt Movement Extremism band. So
it's a criminalization of space speech, assembling cultural expression.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
So in other words, they gave the gays a place
to gather. Is that the idea?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Well, the criminalized the space together.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Well that's why they're in jail. Yeah. But so this
bartender or this bar owner and his two employees opened
the bar for some gays, is what we're saying.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
That appears to be the case. That appears to be
the case.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
And off to the huskay with him, because Russia doesn't
have any other fucking problems. That's see, that's the theme
of the week. It's like, you know, the US Supreme
Court has nothing to worry about, But where trans people
play sports and or p and in Russia, there's absolutely
nothing to worry about except arresting this bar owner and
two employees because he gave some queens a place together,

(14:33):
you know, to meet. It's like, as a species, when
we fail, and we will, we can look back on
exactly why, and we can point to things like this.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, there's two distinctions between the Russian and the American case.
Though the American case, most of these court cases that
mister Trump and his administration put through fail, but it's
part of the largest rategy delineated by mister Bannon around
flooding the zone. I believe it was his phrase of it.
In the Russian case, Lennar Putin has very strong controls

(15:11):
over much of the society. Therefore, Yeah, so therefore a
push legally and culturally, and with what we're seeing with
these two cases enforcement of that UNTILGBT law directly without

(15:31):
much opposition.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, it's a fucking shame. You know, it's been a
bad Pride month. Now July twenty eighth, it's July, so
Pride Month is over. But July twenty eighth through August
third is the World Pride in Amsterdam. I wish I
were going, I am releasing my single you Have to
Be Proud on July twenty third, so it'll be out

(15:54):
for World Pride July twenty eighth, and you know, the
themes over there are going to be more somber too,
because it's not just the United States that is, you know,
going through all this turmoil when it comes to LGBTQ

(16:15):
people and a theme. Malania Trump today that hooker. She
came out and said she supports the trans Athlete band
and she supports the Supreme Court's decision. However, she supports

(16:35):
LGBTQ people and their rights, and all months long, I've
been hearing that kind of double speak from preachers and
other bigots. Well, I don't support trans people, and I
certainly don't think anyone should transition in puberty, and I
don't think anyone should trans people should play sports. But

(16:57):
I support the LGBTQ community. No, oh, you fucking don't,
Malania Trump. If she believes that trans people should be
kept out of sports, then she doesn't support the LGBTQ
community because guess what, they're a part of it. And
it's the same with preachers this whole We love our

(17:17):
gay brothers and sisters. We just hate their sin. Then
you don't love us because we're not sinning, you know what,
We're just being natural and normal the way your alleged
God made us. So this month, I have never heard
more people speaking out of both sides of their mouth
than in my lifetime. It's just and maybe it's because

(17:38):
of social media. I had under one of our shows
on Facebook, some queen posted and said, explain to me,
as a gay man, exactly what rights I'm losing? And Imo,
did you not listen to the last fucking hour. It's like,
you know, it's like no, so no, he didn't listen
to the last hour.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know, Well, the sinning part is a pretty it's
pretty straightforward. Invented disease, offer the cure, ask for money.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Homosexuality is not in the Bible. Same sex attraction and
or sex is not mentioned in the Bible. Christ never
mentioned it. They have misinterpreted the language of the Bible.
Nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality mentioned at all period.
And there's none of this lie with man as with man.
That's a complete misinterpretation. There's been six interpretations of this Bible.

(18:32):
A couple by a pope won by an emperor and
along the way, a lost in translation is a real thing.
These people are completely and totally idiots, that's all they are.
And I say that because soccer. I say that because
of the story you found about Iran soccer captain that
says we respect all LGBTQ people before or after you

(18:55):
throw us off a fucking building. I mean, do you
say I totally you know? Do you say I totally
respect you right before you push us off the building?
You know? I mean? And they also told Faifa that
no one could fly any flags at their events, and
they did that specifically for Pride flags because their event
was scheduled during Pride months. But they respect LGBTQ people.

(19:22):
I would hate to see what Iranians do to people
they don't respect. Oh wait, they bomb them, now I
know what they do. Never mind, yep. The World Cup
held a Pride round in Seattle on Friday, featuring Iran
in Egypt, two countries not known for their acceptance of
lgbt Boy, did that author ever write an understatement?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's yeah, they write that's how like That's often how
Reuters and AP news journalists right. Very understated neutral objectives.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Not widely known for their acceptance. They kill us. Okay,
that's whatever. The match ended in a one one draw.
During the postmatch media conference around captain Medd Taremi made
a notable comment when asked about playing during the Pride round.
We respect all of the LGBTQ people, he said, that's

(20:17):
their own idea. It's not about us. We are here
to play football. We respect all of those guys.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Oh, it's well, I'll put it this way. Akin to
the sending point, it's also very simple. It's not very complicated.
Most people, for part one of this, don't read their
holy text, or if they do not fully part two

(20:44):
of this, most of the people who get their religious interpretations,
they're getting it read to them.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
This guy plays in the sport was short, so tight
you could see the year of a quarter if it
was in his pocket. They smack each other on the ass,
and after the match they all get shirtless and then
go to a locker room where no women are allowed,
and they're going to make some comment about day. By
the way, the both Iranian and Egyptian officials opposed it

(21:14):
from didn't like them. Also, during the match, Pride flags
were flown. No show, all right, We are back with

(21:41):
Scott Jacobson of The good Man Project and I am
Corel and it's this Scay week. By the way, my
friend Hannah is in your neck of the woods. Well, no,
she's on Ukraine. She's in Vancouver because tomorrow night or
no tonight, Thursday night, there's a there's a uh World
Cup game in Vancouver, and so she's gone to that
because guess who she reps. Guess guess I don't know,

(22:09):
the Iranian the Iranian soccer team.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Hilarious. Tell her to go to the Red Room. It's
a good Latin club.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
She's a publicist, a very high ranking publicist in the
world of publicist, and FIFA came to her. They hired
twelve additional outside publicists. She's one of them, and they
assigned each of them a team, and they assigned Hannah
the Iranian team. And I said, but you're so pro

(22:39):
gay and woman's rights and liberal and and you know
she's to be a Republican. But then I taught her
better and she goes yes, and she's like, you'd be surprised,
but most of the members of the team are not
what you would think an Iranian soccer player would be.
They're really just about soccer. They don't care about out

(23:00):
any of the other politics, human rights, any of that.
They just wanted to go play soccer. And I said, well,
they're naives because the World Cup is partly about your
country and your country pride and all of that. But
it was very problematic for her the last thirty days
because even JD. Vance said he didn't want them, you know,

(23:21):
to play, He didn't want them in the United States
all this other stuff, so, you know, and I said
to myself, well, now your little Iranian friends know what
it feels like to be discriminated again simply for being
who you are. I mean, I'm maybe that's why he
came out with that statement. Maybe that's why the team
captain had a change of heart. I respect the gays

(23:44):
right as I throw them off the building. I totally
respect them, all right.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I was a protest march in Vancouver. A prominent Iranian
atheist had a T shirt that said something that effect
several years ago, A law is gay, something like that,
And there were a few Muslims that came by and
the approaches that thank you like it's you know, it's

(24:10):
an individual thing. But these blood trends typically come from
the government.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
If there were a God, that God would be all sexualities.
That if if a God is an omnipotent, all powerful,
all everything, it would also be all sexualities. It would
be straight, it would be gay, it would be by,
it would be trans, it would be everything, because it
would it's everything it is. You know, if we're made
in its image, then it would have to be all

(24:34):
of those things. It would have to be white.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, I know in some seminaries they probably teach something
and can to panentheism or pantheism or pandeasm, where basically, yeah,
you do get everything as God or everything as God
in the universe and then infinitely extended out to that
and so you have this sort of this allness implication.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah, it's quite like about Buddhists. They have a lot
of Buddhists. There's not just one Buddha. There's a lot
of Buddhis. There's the fat Buddha and the skinny Buddha,
and there's a lot of different bud There's the ozembic
Buddha and the nan ozempic Buddha. All right, we just
have a few seconds in this segment, but when we
come back. We will talk about something that Bulgaria is

(25:16):
doing that how many states now nine American states also
did during June, so we'll talk about that. We'll also
talk about how you can help some gays escape, and
then we'll circle back to Ukraine where the soldiers there
are and the ones in the photo. I'm like, well,

(25:36):
let me join the Ukrainian army, honey, because the ones
in the photo were kind of cute. But we'll talk
about what the Ukrainian LGBTQ soldiers and there are some
what they are talking about or what they need. We
are doing this Gay Week. Of course, Scott Jacobson is
with the good Man Project and you can read all
about all of his articles. There's thousands of them. The

(26:00):
Goodmanproject dot is it do c A or dot com?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Dot com American?

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, okay, so the Goodmanproject dot com. It's actually a
cool website and it doesn't just talk to men. If
you're a woman, you can go there and read things
about men or by men. But it's great.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I have tens of thousands of articles.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, no, it's it's a it's a huge website. So
I was going through some of the stuff and fell
down a rabbit hole, and I was like, oh my goodness,
what the hell.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
The editors are amazing, they process so much material.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well, you know, journalism, you got to seek it out
now because it's not you know, CBS over here has
gone to shit. And I just read something about Sky
and something in the UK. There's some sort of merger
going on over there, so it's about to be taken
over by some or spun off. There's a merger happening
here and somehow it's going to affect Sky in the UK.

(26:56):
It's either going to be spun off or it's gonna
be its own into some some things happening with it.
I don't watch Sky because it's Rupert Murdoch, but and
I think he felt That's what I think is happening.
I think Rupert Murdoch might have sold Sky, but who
can tell. I mean, I don't know. But you got
to seek out journalism nowadays because it's you know, and

(27:16):
by the way, you're not under and you're not under
anything yet. Would you hear an alarm, like right now,
if it went off, would you hear it? Yeah, episode
you would, so you're close enough to the.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Like, yeah, they they bomb certain areas that target them
and they're very close, and on the phone you get
an alert. I turn off the super loud alarm, so
I just get the alert. It rumbles on my phone,
and then they tell you when it's over. And they
can last from maybe ten minutes, sometimes several hours, depending,

(27:49):
but the short ones typically mean that it was not
a ballistic missile. It was a drone because very low
rates they'll shoot done seventy percent of the drones. Higher
rates and more averages probably ninety or more percent, So
that's when you know they shut them down and then
it's no longer necessary.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
So I would know, you know, I think it's the
fourth of July weekend over here, and there's gonna be
all these fireworks for Jember. It's Canada Day today, Oh,
yes it is. I said that on my show yesterday.
I said, hey, Canada became a becomes a country tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
So yeah, Upper and Lower Canada confederated, yes, first eighteen seven.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Absolutely, So I was very very thrilled to read that.
I thought, oh, my ancestors, they got together today and
they did well. You know, and I don't know when
this segment's ending, so we'll just jump right into the
Ukraine stories, and we're talking Ukraine bombing and everything. Sure, sure,
So Ukraine has been very good about a few things,

(28:50):
and one of them is LGBTQ people in their military.
They need, they need anybody, and so they have really
let LGBTQ people just serve and serve opening uh And
there haven't been that much of a hoopla about uh
So when we come back, because now I see it's
about the day. When we come back, we're gonna talk

(29:10):
about a hoopla being made by the lgbt colder because
they are making the third They's done on the front line.
They've been shooting down the throne. They've been with Player
and fashion h and you know doing.

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Speaker 3 (30:19):
All Right? Is this Gay Week with Scott Jacobson of
the good Man Project and me, Corel, I'm the gay.
Every week my shirt would be banned in Russia. It's
the rainbow. So you know, I just wouldn't wouldn't do it?
Uh so, yeah, exactly, He's my hero. No LGBTQ soldiers
have been serving openly in the Ukrainian government, in their

(30:40):
regime or in their military, and the two in the
photo of the story you sent me, I'll have the
same birth effect. Do you know what it is? Take
a look at the picture. Do you see their birth effect?
I see it popped right out at me. I wonder
if all Ukrainians have this particular birth deffect, because these
two certainly do nothing. Huh m hmm, ye, I've seeing

(31:04):
It's enormous. It's their Adam's apples. Do you see they
both have enormous Adams apples. That's the birth defect?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Really?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yes? Do you know what causes a large Adams apple?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
What causes it? And what is it called?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
That's well, that's it's called your Adam's apple?

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Uh? And what causes it the actual extra protrusion.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
That's called an Adam's apple?

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
What's the real name for an Adam's apple? Wow? She
is such an idiot. She really is real name for
Adams Apple, a real name. L They call it larryng
Old prominence. That's what they call it. And here is

(32:04):
here is what happens. Uh. The cartilage which protects the
vocal cords and the front of the airway joins. It
tends to be larger and more externally visible in adult
males due to a widening of the cartilage angle during puberty.
And the reason that it widens is because in the womb,

(32:26):
when you when your body is determined to be male
or female, and when it when it's determined to be male. Oh,
you went away. I guess you didn't like my explanation. Well,
there you are. You're back. I thought you didn't like
my explanation. Uh. So when you're in the womb and

(32:46):
you and your body has determined that German, and it
starts flooding you with testosterone. Uh, some people get too
much testosterone and it causes an Adam's apple. So actually,
that lengeal malformation is caused by a little bit too
much testosterone. Their voice box keeps growing after it should

(33:06):
have stopped. It should have stopped growing, but because there's
a little more testosterone, it grows bigger, and that's what
causes an atom's apple. Too much testosterone. So it's a
birth defect because not everybody has it. I don't have one.
That's how you can clock a drag queen. By the way,
you can totally clock it. Women do not have them.

(33:28):
They do not have They say that biological females can
have them. I have never seen a woman with an
atom's apple ever. But during puberty, that extra testosterone charte
causes that to grow bigger, and that's what happens. There
is a biblical term for it, by the way. The

(33:49):
colloquial term comes from ancient folk lore tied to the
story of Adam and Eve. It originated from the myth
that a piece of forbidden fruit became stuck permanently in
Adam's throat.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
That's actually a very interesting time. I like that.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
I think that ranks up there one of the stupidest
things I've ever heard. All men men have an Adam's
apple because Adam couldn't swallow all of the apple.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
We'll think about achilles Heel and his mother dipping him
in that river to become immortal, except for the achilles Heel,
and then.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
She held him by that.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
That's more ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Brad Pitt in that movie that was a bio pic.
I'm telling you right now, I.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Will swing my hand to the left and to the
right and snap my fingers. Don't you make me.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I'd like to see that. Okay. Anyway, back to the
Ukrainian soldiers that have the big Adam's apples and probably
other things too, because I got a lot of time stuff,
you know. But anyway, so in America, nine state try
to declare June family month instead of pride. And they
did this, and we're gonna take it. He break there,

(35:14):
but they did it. They're basically smack days in the face.

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Speaker 3 (35:44):
Correll is the one that you need to know and
imply that we are neither part of families nor do
we form families by trying to declare it family month.
So that you know that's gone on here now in Ukraine,
LGBT soldiers are suing for legal family status, no marriage,

(36:06):
and no rights, and yet they're serving their country and
they feel they should be able to come back and
have those things. I will tell you.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Right now, very sensitive topical career.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
This is what happened in the United States. We had
gays in the military. They were fighting for our country,
and yet they couldn't do so openly, nor could they
get any of the benefits for their partners, et cetera,
et cetera. Then don't Ask, don't Tell, which was a
failed debacle, came in and then finally the military realized
they had to grant them all the same rights and benefits,
and so they now did. That is where Ukraine will

(36:37):
end up, I tell you. But you're saying right now
over there that this is still a problem.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Depends on the person. There can be moments of sensitivity,
both domestically in terms of some people commenting on it,
but also from people seeing foreigners comment on it. A
sensitive thing. I do not think the war makes it
any less more sensitive. It probably amplifies it by quite

(37:07):
a degree.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Well, you know, Ukraine doesn't have same sex marriage, but
same sex couples can sue for recognition as a family.
I know that sounds odd, but under the law, that's
all that gay couples can do, and that gives the
minimal legal recognition as a same sex family. It doesn't
mean that they're married, because same sex marriage is illegal,

(37:31):
but it means that the government recognizes them as a
family unit. If that isn't talking out both sides your mouth,
I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Is What we are seeing here is a clash. I've
done this for any many many years, even when a
Canadian eith was still running a stock defunct clashing two
dominant ethical systems, one parochial but transnational, which is take
your major dominant religion Islam, Christianity, Hinduism for instance, Buddhism,

(38:04):
or pick a more universalist standard that is not parochial
and which in fact, even theocratic societies at least try
to play by. At the United Nations International Human rights
which by their definition of incorporating everyone, are secular. So

(38:24):
the United Nations documents, these conventions and so on will
talk about rights, they will also talk about the family
as the fundamental group unit of the society. So with
this bulgarian thing around family, trying to exclude LGBTI plus
individuals and their coupling and families from the definition of family.

(38:50):
They're clashing with this international Human Rights standard, which is
more universalist and broader in definition, has LGBTI core group
that sort of implicatory about all of this kind of stuff.
And so this Bulgarian example is another example of this

(39:11):
international class we're seeing over and over between two ethical systems.
And one is going to have to prevail at the
end of the day, and one grants same res for everyone.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
The other ones don't, right, And as you reference in Bulgaria,
you know, they're recognizing the family March on the same
day as LGBTQ Pride, and they're doing that on purpose,
and they're doing that to to slap the gaze and
say we still don't accept you. Not by the way,
I don't know why straight people feel the need to

(39:44):
let us know they still don't accept us. We get
the point.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
You know, that's fine, Well, no, that's true.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I mean, you know, I mean message recently, I.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Mean, I mean, yeah, it's like you know it speaking
like a non religious person, someone you know tells you
the greatest.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Thing is well, I might accept some things that other
people don't as traditional, like sex on the first date.
That's in the gay world. Well, usually have sex before
the first date. Do you have sex to see I
go on?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
The common joke with lesbian The common joke with lesbian
friend of mine is at first date, you know, on
the first date, the one woman she comes over and
she brings a parent you haul toaster, you know that
sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
No, you haul?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, you haul? Yeah, that's the other joke. Yeah, third
date yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Third day. Ah. A lesbian on the first date has
a U haul in the parking lot. A gay man
they have sex before the first date to you even
see if they're going to go out. You know, that's
the way. That is What really gets you is they talk.
They use the word traditional. They use these these dog
whistle words, and traditional is a dog whistle word. And

(41:02):
the funny thing is gays are traditional a We have
been a part of every traditional family in the world.
That's where we came from. We didn't come from untraditional families.
We came from traditional families. That's where we came from.
A mother, a father, most of us, some gay kids
now come or other kids come from you know, lesbian

(41:23):
households or whatever, or same men households, but for the
most part, even those are traditional because they're usually married.
And you know, so we come from traditional households. So
to use the term traditional as a dog whistle that
symbolizes anti gay is ridiculous. We live in traditional households.

(41:43):
We come from societies rich in tradition. We are a
part of every society's traditions. There is not one societal
tradition that go art, literature, music, song, whatever it might be.
There's not one tradition that we're not that we didn't
influence that, or we create for the love of God.

(42:06):
And so it's ridiculous when they use that word against
us because we are, by the very definition of who
we are traditional.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
We can extend the point, yeah, extend the point. It's
tradition is not exactly helpful. For instance, slavery in a
lot of societies is tradition, tradition, like South Korea had
the longest unbroken chain of slavery of any society, maybe
one thousand to fifteen hundred years or something like this

(42:36):
that was traditional. Does that necessarily mean, right, that's part one.
Part two. What we really mean is homosexuality, et cetera
is ancestral. It is tied to who we are as
a species, and traditions that we're inheriting doesn't necessarily mean right.
And for the last several thousand years, a lot of

(42:56):
the traditions we've inherited have been domination oriented systems right,
and the people who've been dominated had typically been those
who don't hold the numbers to have any right overalling
power in society.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yes, there's enough that there's so few of you that
you're subjugated. And in this Bulgarian story, at a time
of moral disorientation, social fragmentation, and profound demographic crisis, safeguarding
the traditional family is not simply a matter of personal choice.
It is a cornerstone of our national security, identity and future,

(43:32):
said MP Slavi Vesdileev. There's so much wrong with everything
that man uttered. I can't even you know, I could
go into it a dissertation that would take a couple hours.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'd be curious if we had more women's input.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
On some of the stuff moral disorientation. If you know
what's causing moral disorientation, the stratification going on, that's what's
causing it. The uber rich and the uber poor. You know,
that's the biggest moral lemma of our time. How do
we take care of our here in our country? Social
security is about to get cut by twenty percent if

(44:06):
they don't fix it. People are already living in poverty
that live on social security, trust me, and you know
what a twenty percent cut is. You want to preserve
the morality of society, Make sure they have enough to eat,
make sure that their lights are on, their gas, that
they have heat or air conditioned, make sure they have
food on the table, a job to go to. I

(44:27):
don't see any of that mentioned here about the family
or how to preserve the traditional family. You do so
by making sure that oh are you hearing a horn?
A siren? Were you hearing a siren?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
No? I heard there was a piece of machinery. It
was an explosion, probably a price piece of machinery.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
This is my mouth open. So someone I'm interviewing just
took off his earphone and put it back on and said, oh,
probably just something blowing up. Let's let's keep talking.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
That.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
That only in a fucking war zone. I mean, my god,
that's of machinery blowing up. It could have been the
vehicle out front of our house. For the love of God. Yeah,
it's just something blowing up. Oh Lord, Okay, Okay, we'll
continue in any event, a social fragmentation, moral disorientation, profound

(45:24):
demographic crisis. All of that is caused not by gay people,
but by societal upheaval, brought about by poverty, by you know,
the demographics. He's talking about people not having babies. They
don't want to have babies as they can't afford them,
you know, because they're not sure of what kind of world. Yeah,

(45:45):
and because they're not sure what kind of world they're
bringing them into. You know, you want.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Medical experts A big thing when I talk to medical
experts for me, the big thing they talk about sort
of encapsulting about what you're talking about. And these are
American ones in particular, a social determinants of health. Yeah,
and a lot of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck yep,
particularly if they're African American, American, et cetera. And another

(46:10):
part of that is Okay, another part of that is
the only social stratification, but the number one cause of
bankruptcy in the United States is health. Medical costs around
the end of life, medical.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, yep. Yes, in your last four years of life,
you spend more on healthcare than you did your entire
first seventy six or eighty years of your life. In
your last four years.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
That's unsustainable as a model for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, well, I guess we just kill them. What do
we do?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Some would see that as as a solution.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, we fucking pay We have the money. We let
them die with dignity because we have the money. We
just we just appropriated ninety fucking billion dollars to fight Iran.
You know, we have the money. I don't ever want
to hear about it.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
We don't have the world for healthcare, social infrastructure. I'm
saying from those individuals who are against that social welfare structure,
they would see that as a solution of just getting
rid of that structure.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
You know, when they wouldn't say that when the eighty
four and sick, that's when they wouldn't say that. All
of a sudden, they'd be like, no, I should have
access to healthcare. I should yes. And so because of
healthcare costs, people are not having children because it's not
just the expense of the delivery and the child, it's
the ongoing medical expenses of a child, and even just

(47:33):
the insurance on the child. If you don't have a
job that includes insurance. If you're buying insurance, it's going
to cost you hundreds of dollars a month to put
that child on your insurance, and people just don't have it.
In case.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
It's not the game cases too, like Romania's Cucchescu had
degree seventy seventy god, but where women were where women
were mandated to have numerous children and they're still seeing
the consequences of that, where they were demanding, essentially by
the state for women to have all these kids, but
then not provide the resources and sustainability of infrastructure for

(48:10):
them to even you're the same.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Thing here in the United States. Elon Musk is out
there we must have more children, and JB. Vance is
saying we must have more children. Okay, well, where's the
child care for the women who work, where's the free
medical care, where's the you know, the socialized medicine. So
they you know, they keep saying they want Americans to
have more babies, but they're not giving them any help
to have them. Although I don't feel you should reward

(48:33):
people for breeding, but whatever, I mean, you know, I mean,
if you want to breed, breed, if you can't afford it,
then don't breathe.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
What was the term used maybe still use moves in
several decades past. Was it was the term breeders within
community was.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Great people used to call straight people. Yes, there was
a time in the gay gam we called straight people breeders.
I never did, I never. I always sort of saw
that as a derogatory to you know, so I.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Think it was intended as such, but it was more
humorous than anything. I think you pointed with the bulgarian thing.
More in point of the bulgarian thing, I think you're
getting it is the fact that the point you made
it a prior episode that where do these people think,
all these gay people are coming from the crop, from
gay armies and straight mallows.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Now over in the UK, you're in England and specifically
over a thousand gay soldiers who were thrown out of
the armed forces for being gay, maybe missing out on compensation,
and so they are sounding the alarm that they're being
left out. Apply soon, yeah, exactly, apply soon. There are

(49:41):
benefits there at least the British government is I mean
the United States government hasn't done that. They haven't gone
back and said if you were gay and you served
and you were dishonorably discharged, you can you can appeal
and we will give you your pension or whatever. They're
not the US Army is not doing that, but they're
doing it in the UK because they do a lot
of shiit better than we do. Uh. And one of

(50:02):
these is this, however, there is a deadline. So if
the end they're not going to move the deadline, they're like, look,
apply by this time or you don't get the benefits.
And there's over a thousand soldiers who fear that they're
not going to get the benefits because applying has gotten complicated.
The website either goes down or they're not sure how
to do it because they're old. Uh. And so there's

(50:24):
a lot of different reasons, but they're afraid that they're
not going to be included. So I just think it
should be a blame. I mean, the military has records
they do out for being gay. They shouldn't have to
apply for anything.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
They're going to check the fucking all.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Right, we'll be back when God's visit things up, given
nothing blows up during break But you know that kind
of party. Yeah, I've never had.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
No show side.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
All right, So this day week ranks the one ranks
among some of the highest listen to and viewed correl shows,
particularly on sound SoundCloud, uh and also on Apple Music.
And I just wanted to say thank you for that,
uh and also very welcome.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
And we are getting actively bombed in most of the
country now.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
And you don't mean drunk, I take it. You don't
mean you're all drunking heavily.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
No, no, there so there's no active area to alarm.
That was notified, notified on my phone. But that's also
because they didn't exactly end the last one, but the
alert shows about so just kept going. So approximately I
put it in two third of the country from the

(52:01):
eastern flank to here. It a little bit passed, not
all the way to Leviv, far east.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Basically it's the it's so basically it's the bath tub
after this is what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Who knows before we go.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
There's a couple of stories I didn't send you, but
I did want to address on this gay Week because
it it I don't want to say, because it reflects
a lot of the conversations that have started this month,
and I don't understand them.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
There was a story at NBC News or was it? No? Where?
Was it the New York Times? I'm sorry. It was
an opinion column at the New York Times. And the
article says, I'm gay, not queer. It matters. And it's
this whole long diatribe about how he doesn't understand how

(52:50):
queer has become a word used to describe gay people.
It used to be derogatory. Also how it has now
become sort of an umbrella term. It doesn't necesscessarily mean gay.
It could mean gender non conforming, gender non binary, it
mean it could mean a bunch of things, and he
does make it. I want to say he almost redeems

(53:14):
himself when he says that that word has given people
a place to be. In other words, people who don't
identify as gay or lesbian, it has given them a
place to be. But he wanted to make sure, through
this twenty seven hundred word opinion piece, that we understand
that he is a gay man and not queer, and

(53:37):
that there is a difference and that difference matters. After
reading the article, I can just say that difference only
matters to him. I always say, I don't care what
you call me as long as it's not a Republican
and or maga, And basically that's true. I don't get
some of the things the gay community has done over

(53:58):
the years they tried to reclaim the pink try. I
didn't understand that Hitler gave it to us. People died
wearing it. I didn't understand when we wanted it back.
But there was about a ten year period where people
were wearing them, and you had bumper stickers and stuff
like that. Andrew and I got rid of ours. We
just didn't. We just couldn't understand how this. Jews don't

(54:21):
run around wearing a yellow star, you know, so right,
you know so? For why would gays run around wearing
a pink triangle, which also wasn't exclusively gay, It was
gay Roma because the gays were grouped during the Holocaust.
They were grouped with the Gypsies, the Romas and other deviants,

(54:42):
So the pink triangle wasn't just four gays, but it
was mainly for gays. But this article, I'm gay, I'm
not queer. It matters. I think it's hurting our movement
that members inside of it are trying to parse out
the letters and say well, I'm this, I'm not this,

(55:03):
I'm gay, I'm not trans, i'm a lesbian, I'm not
by I'm you know. I think it's hurting the movement,
and I really hope that it is my hope that
the community realizes, yeah, we're all different, just like all
humans are different. We're all different, but all of these

(55:23):
letters are under one big tent, and there's no need
to step outside of the tent and say I'm not
with them, you know. And so I really hope it
is my hope that this misguided queer, whoever is now
I just called him a queer. Sorry. Matthew Vines is
author of God and the Gay Christian the Biblical case

(55:44):
and support of same sex relationship, so he has some
sense there. It is my hope that he understands that. Okay,
you want to write an intellectual think piece about the
difference between being a gay man and being a queer, Okay,
but just remember you're all in the same tent, and
by the general public, we're all looked upon the same way.

(56:07):
They don't see all the different letters. They see queers
or faggots or dykes or trainees you know what I mean.
They don't use the alphabet the same way that we do.
You know, when a straight person says queer, it's not
to be acknowledging of someone you know that's inclusive and different.

(56:27):
It's to insult, you know. And so I think language
does matter, and that's what he's stressing. That language matters,
but it doesn't matter so much that it then makes
you break apart.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
I really believe what's the publication again, the New York Times,
that's a good place for more general conversations, that.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Nuance is more appropriate for an internal community publication, opinion
piece ap it because then it can be says a
little more.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
And I do agree with them on a lot of things.
I agree with them. When he says queer carries an
adversarial charge, an adversarial charge that gay does not. I
agree with that. When you hear the word queer, it
I bristle still a little bit, you know, I do,
because that word. I know we've taken it back and
put it in the LGBTQ. I know we've taken it back,

(57:24):
but when I hear it, I still hear the fifth
grade bully yelling at me. In nineteen seventy five, you know,
calling me queer, I don't. I don't hear a word
that we have taken back. Now. I do remember Queer
Nation in the night course. I remember Queer Nation in
the nineties, and I was a part of it. It

(57:46):
was an aide organization and and gay rights and they
use that word specifically to trigger emotion, you know what
I mean when they they wanted the backlash from the word.
But he's arguing that now, you know, the word has
been seen as a word with advantages, the advantages I

(58:07):
can say I'm quar without saying I'm gay or by
or trans, and then people will never know exactly what
I am. And he says that's where it becomes problematic,
that they need to know exactly what you are. You know,
so interesting editorial, but I do. I do just want
to say, I have seen a lot of people trying
to split the letters apart, and I don't like that.

(58:32):
All right, I am carel He is Scott Jacobson in
a fucking active live war zones with alerts going off
on his phone and the machinery blowing up outside, and
yet here he is he's talking about stay safe, gets
the baptub and sometimes you're gonna have to tell me
about the evil, mean man you found.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
It's from a completely different blue view.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
You'll