THIS GAY WEEK: One-Third of the World’s Nations Still Target LGBTQ People

THIS GAY WEEK: One-Third of the World’s Nations Still Target LGBTQ People
THIS GAY WEEK: One-Third of the World’s Nations Still Target LGBTQ People
How bad is it for LGBTQ people around the world? The latest reports paint a troubling picture: nearly one-third of the world’s countries continue to criminalize, persecute, or openly discriminate against LGBTQ people. Why is progress accelerating in some places while moving backward in others?
This week, Scott Jacobsen of The Good Men Project joins Karel from Ukraine to break down the biggest LGBTQ stories from around the globe.
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• New research reveals the alarming global state of LGBTQ rights.
• Germany has everyone talking about… gay sheep and rainbow wool.
• Pride celebrations bring hope from North Macedonia and Bosnia.
• Scott reports directly from Ukraine with two inspiring stories of resilience and progress.
• Plus, the biggest LGBTQ headlines you need to know from around the world.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
No time to fear.

Speaker 3 (00:02):
Corrala is so near because show time is here.

Speaker 4 (00:06):
So on with the show. Let's give it a go.
Krel is the one that you need to know. Now
it's show time.

Speaker 5 (00:29):
Buckle your seat belts, ladies and gentlemen. It's time for
this Gay Week with me. I'm the gay. And then
of course there's Scott Jacobson, the journalist. He is over
in Ukraine and we're going to be talking about LGBTQ
events around the world and in your neighborhood. All right,

(00:49):
it is time for this Gay Week. I am Correl.
It is the Carell Show. And of course we have
Scott Jacobson with the good Man Project and many other publications,
Rabble and other things here with us from the Ukraine.
Where is it hot? Because it's hot in Europe. Things
are heating up, so.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
It is not as warm as my friends are telling
me in the United Kingdom. But it is warmer for sure.
I was out all day today and warm is a
good understatement. Further than weather.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Today, it's one hundred and five in Paris. They're drowning,
forty of them drowning. Don't the Parisians know how to swim?
But you know, it's just terrible. It's global warming, it's
climate change, and it's horrible. Before we get to the
bad stories, because there's a never ending supply of those,
I want to start with one you don't know about
because I just found it like five minutes ago, just

(01:40):
sawing People magazine and I'm like, oh, we have to
talk about this on this kay week because it's a
good story for a change, even though it's not about people,
but it's still a good story. So there are There
is a gentleman and his name is Michael Stooke STU
with the two things over it c K East Let's Stucky,

(02:03):
so good old Michael Stucky. He's a farmer and he
runs a company called Rainbow Wool in Germany. And Rainbow
Wool is a company that was founded because he saves
gay rams that refused to breed with female sheep. He
saves gay sheep and he rescues them and then they

(02:29):
shave their wool and all of the money that they
raise from the wool goes to rescue gay people from
places where they need that we talk about from places
where they need to be rescued.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Story.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
So he is one man in lone Germany. The nonprofit
Rainbow Wool was founded in twenty twenty three by Michael Studke,
a farmer who has been tending to sheep since nineteen
front ninety five. Coming from a background in agriculture, he's
fifty two. He was approached by his friend, not Lettas,

(03:01):
who works in advertising. Lette says after learning of the
prevalence of gay sheep and how there's a lot of them,
there's not just a few, she asked what happened to
those male sheep who refused to mate with women with
females as a ram that won't mate a U isn't profitable,
and so they're often sent to slaughter. It is estimated

(03:23):
that about eight percent of rams, so about the same
percentages of people, exhibit exclusively homosexual behavior. God bless them,
which means they just saschet right on through the pasture.
As someone who's from Russia, where it's still illegal to
be gay, let Day thirty nine said she was outraged
by the fact that these rams were being killed just

(03:43):
because they were gay. So to build the flock of
gay sheep stood Keep put out a call to all
other farmers and hobby breeders, stating he would take any sheep,
any ram that were being sent to slaughter for not
mating with the us. When we first started, there was
a lot of polarizing feedback. Believe it or not. Some
people were saying we were crazy, what's going on? But

(04:06):
gradually people understood that we are honest about this and
we're not faking anything. Because every animal that comes to
my farm needs to do a test, and that test
he puts them with a real sexy you, and if
they don't mate, they're gay. Ah, I love this story.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
This is such an interesting story.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
It is. If the ram refuses to mate in the
horny season, he says, there's a clear indication that it's
not interested in a female in a u. So then
we put him in our herd and then a lot
of action happens, if you know what I mean. So
they're horny and they go be horny with the other
male sheep. It happens within minutes, he says, because you know,

(04:51):
we gaze. It's like a little a little circuit party
for the gaye or for the gay sheep. So they
just go to town. So he's a married he lives
on this farm. He didn't know anything about gating day
gating apps, but Grinder approached him once they heard about
the story and said, hey, we want to partner with you.

(05:13):
Let's start Rainbow Wool and guess what they Herald did
a fashion show in New York's Fashion Week in November
twenty twenty five with a collection of thirty seven knitwear
pieces made from yarnspun from the wool of gay Sheep.
The entire collection was designed by Michael Schmidt, a ward

(05:35):
old jewy and interior designer who has styled Madonna Cher
and Haley Bieber. So he knows the days and when
they started to sell the pieces, they decided and I'm
looking at the pieces, They're beautiful.

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Speaker 2 (05:58):
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Speaker 3 (06:05):
No time to fear. Corella is so near because showtime
is here.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
So on with the show.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Let's give it a go. Corilla is the one that
you need to know.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Now, there is a sad part to the story.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
And you know, because every story needs good drama. Uh,
So there is a there is a sad part uh,
and that is Jonah who who was involved in all
of this. Not Michael Stutkey, but Jonah, and I believe
he is some one of the designers. I'm checking who

(06:42):
he is he passed away from cancer or no, it
was Michael. Unfortunately Stutekey was unable to see the New
York Fashion Show before starting Rainbow Woll together. Jonah was
diagnosed with cancer in twenty twenty one, So not Michael.
On January fourth, twenty twenty six. He Jonah was the
heart of the project. Letti says it was our passion

(07:04):
project together like all three of us before Jonah also died.
He said the project needs to go on. The farm
needs to go on, because it's too important. Uh. And
so he set up the nonprofit, left all of his
assets to the nonprofit to fund Rainbow Wool, And now
the money that they raise goes to service organizations that
actually help LGBTQ people in marginalized countries. Either it pays

(07:29):
for their legal representation or it helps the Rainbow Railroad
another organization get these people out. And it's funded with
the wool from Gay Sheep. So I just wanted to
start with a good story, and that is a fabulously
good story.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I love it. It's so unique.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
It is and before we go into it makes a
great story. Actually, I could see this as a movie.
They make a good Yeah. No, like the new movie
that's out right now, The Sheep Detectives, which is with
Hugh Jackman, and it's got you know, cgi Sheep and everything.
They should do it now, before we get to these

(08:12):
all these facts and figures that you've got for us
and the stories of the week, I did want to acknowledge.
I acknowledged this on my show on Wednesday, the twenty
third of this week. I'm sorry. The twenty fourth of
this week, Wednesday was the anniversary of the worst mass
murder in LGBTQ history in the United States up until

(08:33):
the Poltz Nightclub, and that was the burning of the
Upstairs lounge in New Orleans, where thirty two gay people died.
It was not necessarily a hate crime in so much
as they believe they don't know who really started it,
but they believe it was a patron who was kicked
out and a drug user. He just wasn't a good guy,

(08:53):
and they believe that when they kicked him out, he
went and got gasoline and locked the bottom door because
it was an upstairs lounge in the French Quarter, locked
the bottom door, set it on fire. Thirty two people died,
fifteen leapt to their safety, but they were injured. The
pictures are horrific. As I said on my show, there
are actual pictures of people holding bars trying to get out,

(09:14):
and they're literally ashes, but they're still holding the bars.
But the hate crime comes in afterwards, where the Catholic
Church would not allow any of the people that were
involved to be buried in the church or to have services.
They instructed their pastors to not say prayers that mass
for the people. Several of the bodies were not claimed

(09:35):
by family members and were put in Potter's graves because
the family was too ashamed. On air, talk show hosts
were allowed to say things like I guess it was
started by flaming queens. Politicians joked about it. Newspapers barely
covered it. It got a blurb in the back of
the paper, even though it was the deadliest fire in
New Orleans history. Up until that point, they have sense apologized.

(09:57):
The city has a sense apologized. In the early two thousand,
the Catholic Church apologized for their reaction to it, but
I could see Maga behaving that way today. It was
a terrifying event. And what's terrifying is that it appears
we haven't come that far since nineteen seventy three, as
I could see a lot of this happening. But I

(10:18):
just wanted to acknowledge it again, the thirty two people
who died, and the horrific way the city of New
Orleans and the Catholic Church behaved afterwards. We must never
forget the upstairs lounge, and there is a documentary about
it that everyone should go see. It is riveting, it
is moving, and it is heartbreaking. I cried on my
show about it. I'm not going to cry again, but

(10:39):
I did cry because I can still see it happening today,
particularly if it were a trans bar and the jokes
that people were allowed to make and the things that
politicians were allowed to say were aberrant and horrible and abominable.
And let's hope that we are able to make some
strides in the next fifty years, because the last fifty

(11:00):
years since then haven't been so good. But let's hope
that we're able to progress. So I did want to
acknowledge on this Gay Week the sacrifices of the thirty
two people at the upstairs lounge and how horribly they
were treated and their memory was treated afterwards. Okay, now
onto these figures which will also depress me, so let
me hide in my razor blades. But you've got some

(11:23):
really stunning figures from around the globe and from major
news and major organizations that need to be heard. Unfortunately,
they're not going to cheer anybody up.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
So this is sort of a preliminary outlook internationally from
a variety of sources that tend to be well regarded.
So the ILGA World note sixty five UN member states.
At the UN there's either one hundred ninety three or
one hundred and ninety four member states recognized, so sixty

(12:01):
five is substantial. So sixty five YU member states criminalize
same sex sexual acts.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
That's one third. Describe that's one third. That's that's a
third of them.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, Seven legally prescribed the death penalty, with five others
having an uncertain legal position. Another source of Humandignity Trust
found sixty six countries criminalized LGBT people and thirteen jurisdictions
have the death penalty imposed. Legally possible for consensual same
sex sexual life.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Oh, but why do we need a prigma? Why do
we need a prigment? Things are great for the gays.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
M h Ilga World also notes criminalizing rates rose to
your comments there in twenty twenty five for the first
time in a decade. Associated Press News notes thirty of
fifty four countries in Africa criminalize same sex sexual That's
over half stantial numbers.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
That's over half. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Sixty three UN member states restrict expression relates to any bodily,
gender or sexual diversity. Sixty one imposted legal barriers on
organizations openly advocating for LGBTI rights. Only eighteen UN member
states allowed national legal gender recognition based on self determination.
Only seventeen have nationwide bands on conversion practices, which is

(13:20):
a reference to conversion therapy at all. Only thirty seven
UN member states and Taiwan have marriage equality. Fifty four
percent of LGBTQI surveyed youth by UNESCO in Europe experienced
bullying based on gender expression, gender identity, sex characteristics, or
sexual orientation. Eighty three percent heard negative comments. Sixty seven

(13:45):
percent were the targets you and aids men who have
had sex with other men, a medium of sixteen percent
experienced stigmare discrimination. Nine point four percent avoid healthcare because
of stigmore discrimination. Final writers found more than a dozen
African countries per pledge the pursuit of new anti LGBT bills.

(14:08):
After Agana Conference, twenty national representatives attended eighteen of the
twenty approved quote family Values unquote charter. So that there's
a layout of some of the slewthing that I've done
over the last week, giving us a pretty distinctive international
picture of areas for improvement, areas of concern, and the

(14:31):
reasons for Pride Month and other things.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, In other words, one third to one half of
the world hates us at any given moment. Why, you know,
Jimmy Somerville said it, I've sung at ten thousand I've
sung it probably more than he has. But you know,
in nineteen eighty something, he and Steve Bronsky wrote a
song can You Tell Me Why? And I mean the

(14:58):
lyrics to that song, empty and Your Rise. When I
turn to kiss his lips, you know, and it's still there.
The contempt is still in their eyes when we turn
to kiss his lips, you know, broken, I lie, blood
is on your fist. Can you tell me why?

Speaker 7 (15:17):
You know?

Speaker 5 (15:18):
And on my show this week, it's been tumultuous because
I have spoken about these issues and I don't get it.
I've never gotten it. I don't get it. Now. I
can give you the reasons. I can tell you that
the African hate the fifty percent of those nations directly
influenced by right wingers from the United States directly. I

(15:38):
can guarantee it. I can tell you what your organizations
send people over there. I can tell you how they
make it financially advantageous for these countries to rule this way,
how they give them an influx of cash to their
economy to make these rules. It is all hatred stemming
from people who claim to be Christian but are not
in the United States. It is US exporting this hate

(16:02):
outside of Russia and Chechnya. The rest of the world
pretty much has never really given a fuck about gays,
and now all of a sudden they do. Why hatred
exported from the United States. It's our number one product
that we export, hatred, and it's going strong and it
angers me. I've been mad all week long. This angers me,
you know. I want to say part of me want

(16:23):
to say fuck Africa die then, bitches, and they are dying.
They rely upon our money because AIDS is spreading like wildfire. Again,
Trump just cut off the money. I'm against Trump cutting
off the money. He just did this week to South
Africa and now they're four hundred million dollars short and
they're saying people are gonna die. But part of me says, well,

(16:44):
so fucking what you know. But again, it's the people
that suffer and not the government that makes the rules.
And that's always the way that it is. The politicians
that make these rules will not suffer. It's the gay
and lesbian people or the straight people who happen to
have HIV, which outnumber gay people in Africa by the way,
that will in fact suffer. And I don't want to

(17:06):
see them suffer, so I say keep funding them, even
if it's in countries that hate us.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
You know, we have to stop the spread of HIV AIDS.
But it's part of me just wants to say, you
know what, screw all y'all. I'd be like cartman, that's it,
I'm going home. Uh. And I think a lot of
gays are getting that way. They're they're getting like, you
know what, why should I support a government that doesn't
support me, no matter where they are in the world.
But the answer, of course is because you are a part,

(17:35):
because you are a valid citizen, because you do matter,
and your life does exist, and you should be able
to be open about it. That's why you have to
stay engaged and involved. But it's sad when you hear
those numbers. It makes you just want to quit. You're like,
you know, let's screw it.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
And I should have two footnotes here.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go join the gay Sheep.
I'm just gonna go go farm gay sheep.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Germany German gay Sheep. If you uh to the footnotes,
if you if a listener does note any potential factionlors
just gently and respectfully note, and then everyone else can
sort of have that correction as well. Point two. That
is a fabulous pink polo and I appreciate the horse

(18:21):
on it as well because I work at a horse farms.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
So all right, well it's a real polo and Ralph Lauren,
you know, that's that was the thing, Ralph Lauren on
the polo horse. These were still these you know, it's
so funny that they're they're still here because in the
eighties everybody had a polo shirt. I mean everybody two
year olds had polo shirts. But the horse was bigger.
In the eighties. You can tell vintage polo because the

(18:45):
horse is big. These are this is a new polo.
But I wore pink for the occasion. Real men wear pink.
All right, Well, if we weren't depressed enough, let's go
to where you are in the Ukraine. There's two stories
coming out of the Ukraine that we're talking about this week,
and let's go to Martin Nikiv. What's his name, Marty?

(19:08):
Can we just call him Marty.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
A Vinyl Frank kis Kamyer Ruslan Martsinkiv.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Okay, Marty, we'll call him Marty from UA dot News.
You know. Yes, he stated that LGBTQ people and child
free individuals are harming Ukraine. Do the demographic crisis. I've
heard this before. I just want to ask him. If
you're there, could you go find him for me and
ask him one question. How could eight to ten percent

(19:37):
of the population not reproducing cause a demographic crisis? That's
the first thing. Second of all, many gay couples have children.
That's the second thing. So the notion that being gay
is harming the demographic by shrinking the population. There is
a shrinking population, as you know, demographically across the globe. China,

(19:59):
Japan is having a huge problem with this. They're they're
not replenishing their population. The United States birth rates have plummeted,
and it's they're trying to blame gays for this. But
it's not our fault. We're not sleeping with your husbands.
You know, we're not robbing sperm in the night. You know,
if straight people aren't having sex and aren't having babies,
that is not our fault. But in some way they

(20:21):
seem to think it is. I would just like to
tell Marty Martin Nickock or what his name is, that
there have been gay people since the dawn of time,
and the demographic has been fine. So maybe it's not
the gay people, since we've always been here, and we've
been here and your demographic has been fine, your population

(20:41):
has been fine. Maybe there are other reasons for people
not having children other than gay people.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, it's an easy scapegoat, and an easy scapegoat is
a common source.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
But you know, he is fifty percent right, Like a
broken claw, I mean, he really he is right on
one issue that the main threat to the state right
now is depopulation and a sharp decline in the birth rate.
Ukraine needs people, many have gotten killed in the war,
as you say, so we'll talk more about this we
come back, because he is right. Every place around the
world needs to continue having babies, and they're.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Not state.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Now is show side. So we're talking about Marty over
in the Ukraine. And you know when he says depopulation
and sharp decline and birth rate is a problem, it
is and it's and that's the one thing Elon Musk
is right about. Actually, nothing else, nothing else is that
man right about. But he is right that a falling

(21:55):
population is a problem, although the earth wouldn't mind if
we find ourselves out. But here's where he goes wrong.
He believes the States should support family values and encourage
people to have children. Family values is code word for
anti gay. That's code word, and gay people have nothing

(22:15):
to do with straight people having children. So maybe he
should look at the fact that a his country is
at war, and war doesn't necessarily make people want to breed.
You know, you don't want to bring a baby into war. Secondly,
the economy of the Ukraine and other circumstances outside of
the gay population are probably what's causing the decline, and

(22:40):
not gay people. The same here in the US, our
birth rate is falling, but it's not gay people that's
causing it. And it's not a lack of family values.
It's economic uncertainty. It's young women don't want to be
saddled with a baby. They want careers, they want more
than just raising children. It's the childcare crisis, none of
the I will agree with him that they should support

(23:02):
people who have children, and what I mean by that
you shouldn't be rewarded for having children, but there should
be better daycare for children. I think that should be
the state, every state, everywhere, every country in the world
should have socialized daycare period, end of story. And I
think a great way to make that happen, since we
have an aging population is harness older people to take

(23:25):
care of younger people. I think that would be great
for the old person and for the young person. So
but I agree we need to have more daycare. He
emphasized that criticism is directed not a specific individual, but ideologies. Again,
that's where he goes off the rails in which in
his view, do not contribute to overcoming the demographic crisis.
How About the ideology of an unending war. How about

(23:49):
the ideology of stratification of the rich versus the poor.
How about the ideology of rewarding people with more money
and punishing people with less. There's a lot of ideologies
he could pick on. The gay one is not one
he should. He should delve into.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Keifs in particular, is a highly traditionalist part of Ukraine,
probably among the most.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
And is that where that man? Is that where that
man during the gay film festival threw some substance into
the movie theater. That just happened.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
That was in Kiev. I'm sorry, I was in Kiev.
In Kiev during the gay film festival, A man spilid on.
I don't know what that is means, spilid on unknown
substance in the movie theater. He threw an unknown substance
into the movie theater. But I thought that might be
in the conservative area.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I mean, there are a lot of conservatives areas in
the country. It is a pretty conservative country. It's highly
religious country, religious Russia, and you're becoming more religious, They're
becoming more religious I mean, the more preliminary research on
this area is basically threefold. One of the the number
of those who have supernatural beliefs are increasing, the people

(25:06):
who have increased religious affiliation is increasing, and those who
have superstit practice are increasing.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
That's odd because that demographic goes against what's happening in
the world overall. In the world, religion is on the downturn.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
It's more most marked in the Jehovah's Witnesses. Probably here
they are growing and fast, they're crazy, and they only
started immediately post Soviet maybe one thousand or fifteen hundred
or two thousand. Please check me on that. People came
in at that time and now they're at over one
hundred and twenty thousand.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
I thought I thought there was a population I thought
there was a population crisis and people weren't having babies.
Obviously Jehovah Witnesses are having babies right.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well. The big thing is if you look at the
international studitions, that stuff, basically musk is correct only if
you module on the timeline, if you start the panic
twenty five years from now or twenty years from now,
because the way that they typically calculate the stuff at
the UN and their reports is the population has been

(26:12):
stagnant or declining for more than one year, and then
it is officially a population declining. Stagnant doesn't count for
one year, Declining for one year doesn't count. Has to
be more than one And different countries decline at different rates,
some sort of the nineties, some sort of two thousands,
of twenty tens, and so even if a bunch more

(26:33):
started in the twenty twenties, which has happened, but not
to believe that.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
But it's not really a gay story. But but no,
I mean, there has to be a reason for worldwide
population decline, and please don't give it to the queer.
We're not doing it. There has to be a reason,
and I would be more interested in people doing research
as to the actual reasons people are not. You know,

(27:01):
I tend to believe the number one reason is economic.
That that's what I believe. A kid in America cost
you about a million dollars right now. That's from zero
to eighteen, obviously more if they're a Kardashian, but you know,
so from zero to eighteen, it's about a million dollars.
And people look at that and they think, I just
don't have it. And second of all, people are discovering

(27:24):
their selves and their lives later on. Now people are
just getting in their careers in the thirties and the forties,
and by that time it's too late to have a kid.
And so, you know, I would like to see research
on why there is an actual world wide decline, not
just in the Ukraine, but worldwide in birth rates. I

(27:45):
don't know. I don't think that way. I'm not straight.
I never wanted to have children. I have fabulous nieces
and nephews. I don't need my own kids. Andrew wanted
to have children, but I, you know, and I would
have done it with him, but as a single gay
mail no desire, And so I don't understand the want
to have a child. And given the way the world
is right now, if I were straight, I wouldn't bring

(28:08):
a child into the world. Look what's happening in Europe.
It's one hundred and five degrees. Climate change is out
of control. Can you imagine what the planet's going to
be in thirty or forty years. I wouldn't put a
child in that. I just wouldn't. You're straight, do you
want a kid?

Speaker 1 (28:23):
No comment?

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Well, how old are you, How old are you and
you don't have a child? No, you're part of the problem.
He's speaking about you.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well also well here specifically, as you're noting about the
amount of people in the war who have gone to
the frontline, the amount of individuals who have left the country,
and the number of women who don't want to have
a child. In these circumstances, the concern is more legitimate domestically,

(28:58):
but the direction of the blame is incorrect. I think
it's right.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
We're not to blame. Okays, they're not to blame. I
don't want to know why you haven't had kids? Why
haven't you had children? You're a thirty fifth year old,
great attractive man. Why have you never wanted to have
a kiss? I'll I'll let you ponder that during the break.
None of no comment. We are not in a British
TV crime cathedral. No comment, no comment.

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Speaker 5 (30:13):
No, now, don't take this. The reason I asked Scott
is because I think me and my listeners would agree
you are the exact person we'd want to have children.
You're educated, You're well rounded, liberal insomuch as you know
your acceptance of people for who they are. You like

(30:35):
to stay informed. You are, You're inquisitive about the world.
You know, you are exactly the person that would make
an incredible father, and yet you choose not to have children.
And I did some research. It is people like you
that are not having children, the most educated, the most
well traveled, the people like you, like my stepson Jeremy Dittman,

(30:59):
who is an mdphd at Cornell, and his lawyer wife,
who is one of the few females that run a
multi billion dollar hedge fund, Blackstone or black something it's called.
They don't have kids, and they don't want kids, and
yet they're that they are two people that would make
beautiful children, you know, and yet they choose not to.

(31:20):
And it seems to be the more uneducated and poorer
you are, the more kids you have, the more educated
and world worldly that you are the less children you have.
Why do you think that is? Why do you think
more educated, well traveled, well versed individuals are not about
having children.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
That is going to depend on the individual.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Well, I'm talking to what right now that doesn't have children.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I can either confirm or deny the rooms. So I
would say, for.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Wait, do you Chldren that you were aware of that?
I guess that's the question. So all right, we'll go
on to the next Kiev story. But but you are
the person that should be having babies and you're not,
And that's the problem. Don't blame don't blame the gays.
Blame you. You're the problem, not me. You you're the problem.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Oh oh, I've gotten lots of accusations over the years,
you know, and then you've gotten the physical threats. My god,
you know.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Well, another story out of Kiev, A good one. Actually,
well it's it's good, but it's but it's also bad,
but it's good. On June twenty first, just this last week,
representatives of the gay community LGBTQ community gathered in the
capital under the slogan our families are part of Ukraine.
Because of the March law enforcement officers completely blocked the

(32:51):
city center because you know, we gaze, we get routy uh.
The main group of activists gathered near Tatas Shavnshenko Park,
according to Radio Liberty. At the same time, a rally
of supporters for Traditional Values, which is keyword for anti gay,
was held on chrish Tactic to mark Father's Day. Participants

(33:14):
in the event spoke out in defense of natural Ukrainian families.
Whatever that means being gay is not unnatural, they asked
the sheep in Germany, they recalled that the natural from
Ghana exactly. Participants in the march appealed to Verkovona Rada
demanding changes to the draft of the new Civil Code.

(33:37):
They were outraged that in the current version of the document,
family is defined exclusively as between a man and a woman.
They also insist on the registration of the same Yeah,
it defines basically everything as men and woman. H The
activists also insist on the registration of same sex partnerships,
despite protests from supporters of Traditional Values. The anniversary march

(33:59):
ended an to the protection of security forces, as the
UOJ reported key of authorities announced transport restrictions due to
the gay Pride Parade. The good news is it happened
and there was no real violence. Nobody died, no, you
know no, there might have been some skirmishes, but nothing
that terrible. It happened, and it happened peacefully for the

(34:20):
most part, So that that's the good news. The bad
news is that code that they were protesting, which states
that marriage is between a man and a woman exclusively.
They have problems with that. And I can see why
did you go? You were there? You should have gone.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I was working.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Well, that would have been working. You'd have been.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Working, would I would have pretty popular? Forty?

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Sure? Yeah, no, you wouldn't have to buy one drive that. Yeah,
you would have. You'd been you'd have been good.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't been paying for anything. Oh, who've
been handing me glitter?

Speaker 5 (35:03):
That's exactly right. Add to that event, not only in
Kiev did we have marches, but since it is June
and let's see today is what the twenty sixth man? Yeah,
if you're visiting, really, oh hold on you man a minute.

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Speaker 5 (35:47):
So the anniversary of Stonewall is just in a couple
of days, because today's twenty six. Assist in a couple
of days.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
And you were going to say something before we move
on to the other good news about Pride, So go.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
On a shoutout to Mikhailo Yurov, a project manager for
Keith Pride, who I did an interview right on the
downtown strip on crushatik.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
That's how you pronounce that, so Ago, that's how you
pronounce that. Okay, he was there. I bet he was there.
June twenty first.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Likely there was counter protests to the roses.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
No, there always are, even over here. Other good news
there were LGBTQ Pride marches in Bosnia, in North Macedonia.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
And they you know, they offer messages of hope, because
in Sarajevo, in Skopchi they had them. And you know,
again they may not be well liked, they may not
you know, a lot of the population may not approve,
but they're having them, and particularly North Macedonia, who even
knew there weregaes there, but there are, and they were

(36:52):
demanding equal rights for members of their community and promoting visibility.
This is Sarajevo's seventh Pride March, and that's that's something,
and it takes courage to be in Sarajevo and go
out there in march in a Pride march, and so
congratulations to them. The organizers called for changes to restrictive

(37:12):
policies about public assembly, for measures to be eased, but
no incidents were recorded during the march. They had anti
fascist speakers, peace and solidarity messages. They wanted to support
victims of violence. They wanted to highlight issues and other
everyday challenges faced by LGBTQ plus people in Bosnia and

(37:33):
Herzegovina while promoting equality, visibility and protection from discrimination. So
the same themes at every Pride event. We all want
the exact same things, no matter what the country. In
North Macedonia, the same thing. They took over the capital
for the eighth annual scolpe G Pride on Saturday under

(37:54):
the slogan let everybody know, no one had to ask
me a message against social a message against silent social
exclusion and people being forced to hide. We refuse to
accept that our lives are only allowed to exist behind
closed doors, said one of the organizers. The march through
Scolpture highlighted the ongoing struggle for gay rights, celebrating diversity

(38:16):
and condemning discrimination, again the same theme that Pride has
had since nineteen sixty nine. But I don't know if
the I just wonder if Marcia P. Johnson, one of
the Stonewall people, and others who were at Stonewall, there
are a couple that are still alive. I guess we

(38:37):
could ask them. I wonder if they ever envisioned that
their little riot would be the cause for marches in
North Macedonia or Bosnia Herzegovina. I mean for a little riot.
I mean there was a big riot. But let's be real,

(38:58):
there were other riots before a Stonewall. I could listen
to you places in La. There's a certain cafe in
La where there was a stand off. There were other events,
but the stone Wall really stuck. And I don't think
they knew that that was almost like Sumter's Fort. That

(39:18):
was almost like making a Civil War reference that was
almost like the shot heard round the world, because it
really was the shot heard round the world. And people
are still listening. And that's pretty incredible for a movement
if you ask me, and that it's still growing. You know,
this started in nineteen sixty nine and here we are

(39:39):
in twenty twenty six where more countries are having prides
for the first time. So their movement, which was what
thirty one fifty seven years ago, their movement is still
growing and that's pretty damn impressive.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
And also, I mean when the Soviet Union was united,
it was fifteen socialist republics, right, Yes, that would have
been a completely different picture in terms of what could
be envisioned at that time.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Well, even the Ukraine, if it was still part of Russia,
would not be having this, you know, because Russia would
have put the cow bush on it. But the kabash
or whatever the word is. So there's a count of bush.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
It was formally defined as a mental disorder at the time. Yeah,
litional sexuality.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Well, and half of Africa it still is. All right.
You pulled up the IPSOS Pride Report twenty twenty six,
and what did you learn from it?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Attitudes are stabilizing across twenty six countries after quote woke clash.
Corporate quality support average is but forty two percent below
the twenty twenty one to forty nine percent average. So
this has gone to a lot of our prior commentaries
around essentially fair weather allyship from corporations or some of them.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
You gotta love the Dutch. According to this report, eighty
percent of the Netherlands approves the same sex marriage. I
mean that that is an overwhelming majority. Seventy four percent
in Spain, seventy three percent in Sweden. That's that's robust.
That's more than the US. The US is down to
sixty three percent. I think. On the other end you

(41:25):
got Poland at thirty three percent, Turkey at sixteen percent,
which we have another story out of Turkey to cover
if we have time. So the study is hopeful in
some areas, in other areas not so much. And of course,
the thing that the Ibsode study again pointed out was

(41:45):
the widespread transgender or the widespread agreement that transgendered people
face discrimination everywhere, and there's divergence on policy related matters
such as access to single sex facilities, participation in sports,
highlighting ongoing societal debates. Unfortunately for trans people. I don't

(42:07):
think that'll be settled anytime soon. And the support for
trans people in sports has dropped to thirty two percent
I'm sorry, drop from thirty two to twenty two percent.
So the anti trans message, unfortunately is taking hold, which
is said, all right, did you want to talk Turkey?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I don't know. I'm afraid.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Yeah, I don't hear turkey jokes.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I am too.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
We can very briefly mention Niger as it is pronounced,
not Niger, it's Niger has criminalized same sex intimacy for
the first time in its history. I want to know
how they're going to know about it? Are they putting
cameras in people's bedrooms? How they going to know who's
having same sex intimacy? I mean people aren't exactly yeah right,

(43:04):
well not even that. There's well, like a neon sign
above your head that said I just took it up
the ass, you know, I mean, there's you know what
I mean, It's like, how are they going to know
I just blues, I just gave that guy a blowjob?
I mean, how are they going to know this?

Speaker 1 (43:16):
But a tongue straight?

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Eh, I'm legally a full person. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Well, just don't swallow.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
So in Niger they criminalized same sex intimacy for the
first time in its history. Uh. In all fairness, they're
under military rule. Uh. You know, so I think it's
probably just back to don't ask, don't tell sort of thing,
is where I think we are. But in the West
African nation of Niger. Uh, they've enacted a law criminalizing
consensual same sex intimacy for the first time in its history.

(43:51):
It's odd how they're moving backwards or is it? I
wonder where their military is getting support from. Could it
be the United States?

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Hmm?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I mean it's not unlikely. I mean there is a
huge ultra conservative contingent internationally.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Yeah. But you know, the law that criminalizes this is
in the penal code and that makes me laugh. Sorry,
let's put in the penal code that you can't have
same sex intimacy.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, sub section of the penal code.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Let's say that it's men. It ain't women making these laws.
It's and that's the truth.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Not often, no, I mean you do see complicity bystanders
and enablers in different contexts.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
What's her name? In Italy what's her name, the one
that's fighting with Trump right now? What's her name? Is
a Maloney? Yeah, yeah, she's anti guay.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
So there are contexts like that.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
I mean, I think her I think her gay bestie
just pissed her off, is what I think happened. He
probably said you look horrible in that outfit, and you
know that was it. She was suddenly anti.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Gay, just supposed to see like fabulous to move.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
On, right exactly. So in Malaysia, the government has replaced
the term LGBTQ with deviant culture. Here's something beautiful and
you know, Malaysian officials said the government will stop using
the term LGBTQ and instead replace it with buddaya song
sang which sounds like a drag queen ladies and gentlemen

(45:26):
give it up for Budaya song sang yay. Finally it
has happened to me, uh and I'm saying yes exactly,
which means deviant culture. I want you to know that,
just like in America, where we sort of adopted the
pink triangle and took it back for a while, which
I disagreed with because it's given to us by Hitler.

(45:48):
But but we did take it back in Malaysia, the
gay community is proudly wearing the label boudaya song sang
I have I have seen posts from men Malaysian gays
who are saying, oh, you bet your ass, we are
a bada song, saying all day, all night. And so
they're trying to diffuse the impact of this by actually

(46:13):
reclaiming the term. I I don't know that I'm on
board with that. I'm not Malaysian, but at least they're
trying it. You know, they're they're like, look, you want
to call us that, then we'll own it, bitches. But
you know, it just shows that. During a parliament session
in February, the Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister's Office

(46:34):
of Religious Affairs, Surprise said that discontinuing the use of
the term LGBTQ will influence online algorithms and thus prevent
the normalization of LGBTQ culture. He couldn't be more wrong.
It will actually do the converse. But you know, he says,
the more we utter write or state the term LGBTQ,

(46:56):
the more pop out content related to it will appear. Instead,
we wanted to be more deviant and deviant culture. I
don't know if he's ever gone online, but deviant culture
makes up for about eighty percent of what happens on
the internet, so I you know, maybe he's never used
the internet, never been to porn hub or whatever. But

(47:17):
let's be real, you know, do you know, off topic
but kind of not. One of the number one searches
on porn hub is transgendered people having sex. It's one
of the top searches. So for people being so anti transgendered,
it's amazing how curious they are about their sex.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
It's tier point you've made several times which I was
I've had alluded to but not directly stated, which is
around the peak hinge time during Republican conventions.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, when when when grinder crashes. By the way,
this is not surprising from Malaysia. What is the predominant
religion in Malaysia is they're Muslim. Yes, so this is
not you know, as I said on my show Wednesday,
someone said, oh, look, this Palestinian is saying that if

(48:12):
when Palestine is a real country and you knows its
own state, they will do they will cleanse it of
the scourge of homosexuality. So that's why you should side
with Israel, and I said, hun, we have Christian lawmakers
in the United States saying the exact same thing. So
that's not going to turn me against the Palestinians. You know,
it's like, sorry, but the guy in Tennessee who tweet,

(48:33):
who put out on x that homosexuality has no place
in American culture. You know, he ain't Muslim, and he
ain't Palestinian. You know, he's from Kentucky, which is just
as bad or Tennessee or whatever bump fuck red state
he's from. But so you know, it's and I think
what we see here a trend, if you will, because

(48:54):
you like facts and trends. Any country run by a
theocracy is anti gay. Countries that are run by democracies
or even a monarch, so long as they are not
a Muslim country, usually are not as anti gay. So

(49:16):
you know, when you have a country that is a theocracy,
it's anti gay. When you have a country that is
not a theocracy or a military rule, it is not
anti gay, or at least is better for the gays.
So note to gays don't live in theocracies or in
places where there's military rule, which is why there's the

(49:37):
rainbow railroad.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
The theocracies we have on offer are grounded in the
same texts, essentially the Abrahamic.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Yeah, most of them are Muslim theocracies. Yes, absolutely, But
I'm not gonna vilify is law. I'm not going to
vilify as law. Christianity is just as anti gay, you know,
at least in practice. The Bible isn't because homosex The
word homosexual wasn't you know. I love these people who
read the Bible and they read the word homosexual and
I'm like, you realize that word wasn't even around to

(50:11):
the eighteen hundreds. It's like it couldn't be in your
Bible because it you know, in the times of Christ,
there was no such word, you know. So it's amazing
to me that they use that. But I don't want
to vilify.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
It as it depends in an individual believer too.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Oh, there are many gay Muslims. There are plenty of games.
You know. We'll finish up with Scott when we return,
a childless, thirty six year old who is doing everything
you can to ruin ruin the population of the world
by not appropriating just I'm gonna blame you. They want
to blame me, I'm going to blame you.

Speaker 7 (50:46):
I'm sorry, No, it's show side.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
You should at least donate to a sperm bank. I
mean you you know, we need you, We need people
like you. You know, we need your DNA to continue it. Yeah,
you go donate to a sperm bank. I think you
get paid for that. You make some money, you know.
I read a story about some guy who had three
hundred and twenty seven children or something like that. Although

(51:30):
it's in it's in People magazine. There was a couple
they did in Vitro. They had the baby, and this
is a lily white couple and their baby was Asian
or even black. It looks it looks very and so
obviously there was a mix up at the clinic. But

(51:51):
they did find the biological parents. They found the donors, uh,
and they made a deal with them, and they're going
to keep the baby. They love the baby. They they
want to treat it as their own. So even though
it's not their egg and sperm, which they thought it was, uh,
they're still going to keep the baby. But there was
a mix up.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I mean it's like, yeah, I mean there's me, there's
a lot of people who you know, are there's two distinctions,
one they just want a child and others they want
their child, and then within those categories, it's also sort
of an extended idea of just people who would make
great parents and are trying to do so. And I

(52:30):
think these type of systems helpless people to do so.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
I used to not understand that, but now I do.
I used to not understand. Why would you go through
all the horrors of in vitro. It's not easy on
the woman. It's easy on the guy, but it's not
easy on the woman. And you know, why would she
do that? Why not just adopt? You know, because there's
so many children that it's like dogs, you know what
I mean. They don't need to go to a breeder.

(52:53):
There's so many ye little dogs that need adoption. But
now as I'm older, you know, things do come with age.
Now as I'm older, I can really understand the woman
wanting it to be hers, you know, her egg, her
husband's sperm. I get it. I understand it now. There's

(53:14):
there's there's a tie to DNA, and I don't want
to say that it's kind of mystical, but it is.
Uh and I and I'm not saying they're more connected
to those children. But I really do understand now why
a woman would want it to be hers quote unquote,
not that if they adopted, they wouldn't treat the child
as theirs and and and that it wouldn't be theirs.

(53:35):
I'm not saying that. I am saying though, there is
something about knowing it's your DNA that you know I
can I used to not understand it, but now I do,
and now I get it.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
And they're mostly the moms anyway. I mean, they're half
dad on one set, but then the mitochondril danny as
one hundred percent of others.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Yeah, yeah, so I get it. I mean I get it.
I I just found that story and people funny. And
then you see the couple and there's this lily white
cup and they're holding those babies, a little dark baby.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
You know back in the day that would be a divorce.
It's like, honey, that ain't my child. The milkman was that, Like.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
It's my prayer point that it's a very it's a
very sensitive individual question. I think, what are these systems do,
especially even for lgbt A couples of this is a
big option, and so it becomes a broadening of the landscape,
and so you have a more expansive sort of vision
of what human beings can do and how they can

(54:31):
do it.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
Well, back to Mikey or Mitch or whatever his name
was there in the Ukraine about the whole you know,
we need to have more babies. Did he ever stop
to think that some of the babies are going to
be gay? You know, I mean he never, They never
really do the follow through on that thought. The population
is declining, people must have more children. It's all the
gay's fault. What if the babies are gay? Do they

(54:55):
not count as a child. At that point, it's like,
oh no, now you've gotta make another ta coming from right.
If straight people want to get rid of gay, stop
having babies.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
And a big thing is the.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Wait people are stopping to have babies. Maybe we're maybe
we are the reason. Maybe maybe they don't want to
make any more gay people. Maybe we aren't fault after all.
I don't know, And there's no My mother raised My
mother raised two children. My sister is painfully heterosexual and

(55:33):
I am overtly gay, so you know we have the
same upbringing. There are twins where one although a lot
of twins that are gay. They tend to both be gay.
But there are twins where one is straight and one
is gay, and they're twins and they were raised the
exact same way. And if the notion that gay people
influence people to be gay, which is a big talking
point on we can't have gay teachers or we can't,

(55:56):
then I'd be straight because all of my teachers, all
of the meat. I am a child of the sixties
and seventies. We didn't have gay people on well we
had Rip Taylor, you know, but we had Charles Nelson,
Riley Paul Land, but they couldn't be gay. You know.
I just did a I just spoke at the Grammy
DEI and we talked about gays in the music industry.

(56:16):
I said, there's always been gays in music, they just
couldn't be gay. I mean, George Michael was gay, he
just couldn't be out about it. Freddie Mercury gay in
a band called Queen, but still couldn't be out about it.
Liberaci gay. I mean, I could just go down the
line of all the people in music. David Bowie bisexual,
you know, just on and on and on that were

(56:38):
gay in music. Katie Lange was out finally, but at
first they told her and then she said, I can't
hide it. I look like a boy, and you know,
but so we've always been here. It's just a matter
of open and there weren't that many open people with
me growing up, and yet I turned out gay. So
the notion that television might influence you or teachers, that's ridiculous,

(57:02):
because otherwise every gay of my generation would be straight.
Although I think Bugs Bunny is what did it for me?
That's that was the one. Well, he's always in drag
and he's you know, such an interesting hair, do you
for such an interesting monster? And he's always you know,
doing opera and everything else, so you know, Bugs Bunny's day.
So I just kind of thought, maybe why I am

(57:28):
because I love Bugs Bunny and the Jetsons. This is
a very gay show. In fact, a lot of the
cartoons of my era were very gay. Hr puffin stuff, Hello, news,
the review, news, the review, Henrietta hippo. Oh my god,
she was fabulous. She's I wanted to be Henrietta Darling
Doug with her handkerchief. You don't even know who that is.

(57:49):
You don't even know what the news, the review is?
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the News Review.

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Speaker 5 (58:20):
Oh Freddy the Frog's Oh Freddy.

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Six hundred songs.

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This year Freddy the Frog was the gayest frog to
ever live. Just the gayest frog. All right, I am Corel,
the gayest frog. Be who you want to be? Songing
to hurt anybody.

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Speaker 5 (58:36):
We'll be back next week with This Day Week with Scott.
Scott has always Thank you from the Ukraine for all
those factors, figures and go breed. For the love of God,
make that mare happy. I have a child in his honor.
I hope it.

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Speaker 6 (58:59):
Listen daily to the Corral Cast on your favorite streaming service.
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the Corral Cast on your favorite streaming service.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
Do your own show