November 26, 2024 • 30 mins
Paige Morrow Kimball is an award-winning independent filmmaker in both the documentary and narrative spaces. Her independent films and pilots have screened at Oscar-qualifying festivals worldwide, won dozens of awards and accolades, and have garnered global distribution. Paige wrote, produced, and directed 16 original scripted films for HBO’s Sesame Street. She created an original documentary for PBS, produced and shot Olympic documentaries all over the world, and produced music videos for Atlantic Records. Paige has produced and directed unscripted tv shows for HBO, FOX, CBS, NBC, PBS, FX, AMC, TLC, NHK, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the Ladies Tail Podcast, my
absolute favorite podcast of the four podcasts to record. Oh wait,
I can't say that I love all my podcasts equally.
You see the smile, right, sarcasm it's sarcasm. No I do,
I do, I really do? Hi, I will know that.
By the way, Wow, how tapped to me? I forgot
(00:23):
I remember to introduce myself. Oh head roll with the yes,
I'm sorry to my professionalism. I actually have like a
real professional person in the house today, so I need
to act like I have since that's not happening. One
of my friends says, since you know, when people are cute,
their sense grows out in their hair. You see how
long it is. It's all down here at the tips.
(00:43):
Split ends too well, y'all. I know y'all know this
because you're a regular listener to the podcast. I'm just
gonna assume it regular listener and they are. And I
thought divorce was bad, and I thought being grand up
was easy if only our mer memoir and verse Foreign
Coffee with it was web in Widow's Debt. And those
are six books, but those are the six audio books.
(01:04):
Ha ha, you thought I Audi wrote six books? Me
like this. No, I try to over In total, it
was twenty some but we're only going to talk about seventeen,
so you can see the other eleven books on www
Dot di thought Ladies dot com that I mentioned. I'm
an anti thought lady. Yes, we're called the Anti Thought Ladies.
There we go. I think I finished everything about me,
(01:25):
which is weird to say because I'm a narcissist. No,
they never get finished talking about them, the narcissists of
the group. Not a true narcissist. God, that would be horrible.
But you're not here to hear about me because not
a true narcissist. Ha ha. You're here to hear about
our wonderful guests. Wonderful guests. Would you like to introduce yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes, my goodness, you're like a one woman Mardi Gras.
I will say that for the record. My name is
Paigemorrow Kimball, and I'm so happy we got this to
work out.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So your guest when she says that, she really means
that because the last time I got food poisoning from
something I hate.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Food poisoning is the worst.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You know, So that granted I did lose a little
weight a whole one pound, So like every time, right,
every time I get food poisoning, I'm like, at least
it's two pounds gone.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay, but we're not going down that food rabbit hole. Remember,
oh right?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Oh okay, Yeah, you are definitely a producer. You keep
things on track.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's true. It's true. I'm a producer. Chop chop. You
gotta be right, got to be productive, exactly. Nice to
be here.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Hello, it is a pleasure to have you here. Okay,
first question, I know that I said that you should
say three things about yourself.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, so, and I saw you write it down, So
go ahead with Okay, I'm going to go down in this.
I mean, there's so many things, so many feelings, so
little time. But first of all, I will say I
am a multi hyphen it in multi genres of the
film and television industry. I am a recent empty nester.
(03:13):
I just dropped my youngest daughter off.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
To call the.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But I'm kind of okay because I have a really
nice husband and it's our time, so we'll see how
that goes. And then I have the cutest dog ever.
That's number three, but she'd be number one. You want
to see her?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes, you can't take cuts without I know.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh my, she's a rescue. Her name is Finley. Can
you say she doesn't bark, she's not mean, and she's
not whiny. She's like a big dog in a little
dog's body.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So how okay, Now what you have is the perfect dog.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know, it's true, you are the perfect dog.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
She's upstaging me. Never work with children or animals. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think it's great because no one notices like how
bad you do because I was like, so cute, and
I'm like, right, mess that up. Then you didn't even
notice because they're so cute. I did have a real
first question.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, so what else do you want to know?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay? I think I've mentioned before. Well, no, before I
get started on my real, real professional first question, let's
talk about the things that I need to get out
of the way, Okay, so I don't go down the
rabbit hole. One of the reasons that we started interviewing
so many people in LA was because I read when
I was twelve years old that there's something where a
table where they put all the all the food on
(04:38):
it and they keep that for all the hours that
it is out there. And I cannot remember the name
of it right now, which is so pissing me off.
And you know the table where they put the craft
service happy, How do you know crafty?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You're you're too young to forget things. You're you're like
crafty everything, craft everything. Yeah, ye, gotta be careful. You
get fat with crafty.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And I'm already fat.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They feed you all the time. So oh, we're not
going down the food rabbit hole. You're trying to get
me there, I.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Feel I said, I was getting it out of the
way so I don't do it later, all right, So
what's the best craft service table that you've ever had, that.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I've ever had or I've ever been on set with,
because you know, the the episodics, I mean, they have
the really good craft I just I was just shadowing
a director named Todd Holland on so help me. Todd
and CBS they had and it was up in Vancouver.
Those Canadians really know how to serve it up. They
(05:44):
had a great craft service table. They even had like
TSC pudding in the mornings, and like, you know, things
like if you want to avoid carbs, which I try to,
you can just find your thing. You know, these little
egg cups. I mean, I loved the craft service on
so helped me Todd. Unfortunately, this show got canceled. Yeah,
that's sad, it happens. Yeah, the show got canceled after
(06:08):
I think it was the third season.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, this is the third season.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah. And then I also like The Neighborhood. It's a
multiicam show is and it was really really good crafty.
But I can't tell you what I had. I just
remember it being good stood out in my mind. I
spent a lot of time in that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I love hearing about crafty. That's like my favorite thing
to do. Okay, now let's talk about real business. I'm sorry.
I told you I'm trying to I'm trying to be.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The next thing is, now I'm thinking about that crafty.
I'm sorry. The next thing is, like you wanted to
m hm.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You're not allowed to be sorry. Women apologize too much,
don't we. We got to stop how to recognize and
just say, you know, like, find another thing to say. Now,
I'm sorry, but let me try to do better. You
know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Thank you? Yeah, I don't know how you know that.
I have been working on that for the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Love, take charge. Be confident. I'm going to need that skill.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And we're working on all the time, you know, yep,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Real question, Okay, you're one of the few producers I
know that have jumped from documentary into scripted. How on
earth did you do it?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay? I could give you the map right now. So,
as you said, started in documentary, I did a lot of,
you know, reality shows. After documentary I did. First, I
started in like daytime television, you know, like the home
shows kind of thing, and I worked for OPRAH, which
I loved. I was for interview producer out here in
(07:45):
Los Angeles. I came from New York, so I started
on daytime in New York, moved out here, worked for OPRAH,
freelance out here, meeting LA and then I started reality shows.
After documentaries I did in the middle, I did of
sports documentaries. I worked on the Olympics, which was so
great for an independent documentary filmmaker named Bud Greenspan. He
(08:06):
did a lot of the independent Olympic films, like the
official Olympic films, and that was so great. Came out
to Los Angeles, started working for OPRAH, freelance, did a
couple of TV shows, and then I did Project green Light,
which was a great That was a great show to
work on. And then that morphed into narrative filmmaking scripted
(08:30):
because I just made a short film. You know, I
had my babies, I had risen. I climbed the ladder
in reality television to supervising producer and it's like, the
hours were so crazy that I just decided when I
became a mom that I wanted to spend actually time
with my kids and actually see them grow up. You know,
it's a crazy concept, but that's what I did. So
(08:52):
I took a step back out of reality, which was
six hours six days a week, like nineteen hour days.
It was nuts, but it's what you had to do, right,
So took a step back and I started acting at
that time, which was always a passion. And then I
realized I got to create content for myself to be in.
So that's when I started down the narrative path and
(09:14):
I made a couple of films. I started with a
really small one, like you know, shot it with a
few friends. It was called Slipped, and it was so
sorry my phone was ringing. It was It was short
and sweet, but it kind of I got the bug
and then I made you can see that. I made
this one next, Ending Up. It was a divorce comedy.
(09:35):
I gave myself a little cameo. But at that time
I was so intrigued with just directing narrative and I
wanted to focus that I just I just did that.
I was the director, of producer, writer, and then I
had a little cameo in it. But Ending Up did
really well, and then based on the success of that,
going to all the film fast, let me make this
Little Beauty helped play date. This really became like a
(09:57):
social impact film and it still wins awards. And this
one I was not in. I have a tiny part
in the beginning where you know, I just needed a
lady in the playground. I was a lady in the playground.
But I got to say, making that film open so
many doors for me. So that's how you do it.
To answer your question, you can do it. You know,
(10:20):
you surround yourself with people who are just talented and
know a lot. You write yourself script, you either put
yourself in it or you direct it, and you practice practice, practice,
and then you just put it out there. I mean,
you know, we're storytellers, and I think that you just
got to know your sort of what your special sauce is,
(10:45):
you know, I know mine is to uplift and inspire,
and so I just kind of came with but up
with these ideas. And the first film Slipped was a
really simple film. Oh no, I made one before that.
Oh my god, I'm knocked up. It was a comedy,
really really simple, finding my way slipped, really really simplifying
my way, ending up a little more sophisticated for main
(11:05):
actresses the whole thing. And then Playdate was the one
that kind of got me into the studio programs and
just sort of started the forward momentum. You know, does
that answer your question in a really long winded answer.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
The more detailed there are, the better.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I want to learn, and I know I want to learn,
and thank you so much for that. Just to be
able to start off simple. This gives me a question
that is completely on the other side of the of
the spectrum. Sure, but I'm not sure I want to
jump there yet, So I'm going to jump here first. Okay,
a divorce comedy film. How did you come up with that?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So interesting? No, I mean I was I've been married
for now probably twenty four years. I think it is
twenty three years now, married.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Twenty three ars.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So I just would like, you know, sort of fantasize
what if we got divorced because our lives became so meshed,
you know, at that time, probably we had been married
about thirteen years. That was the year my parents got divorced.
So I started thinking, well, we're good, but what if, like,
how would I we separate all of our you know,
(12:24):
CDs and our record albums at the time it was CDs,
But how would we kind of like separate our lives
and what would that be like? And it just kind
of like popped in a lot of times I ask
a question, you know, with that idea, like what if
this happened? And then you go down this path and
(12:44):
you know, what I find really helpful is deadline because
deadlines as not in the publication deadline, but having a deadline.
So I knew I wanted to apply to the UH
Women What is it at AFI the DWW. So the
(13:04):
DWW is a contest really and you send them a
short and if you get picked, you get to make it.
So I applied and I wanted to apply. So I
wrote this on deadline and this was my idea. It's
a divorce comedy. And I did not get in, and
this was positive fuel. That's the other thing. Just put
it out there. You're going to get rejected, rejected, rejected,
(13:27):
and then guess what. They were probably really bummed that
they didn't take me because this film did really well.
And then I applied again with Playdate. Guess what, got
an interview, did not get in, and they were really
bummed because that film did really, really, really well. But
what I'm saying is if I give myself this deadline
(13:48):
and this contest and I just put it in, see
what happens. It motivates you, you know, and positive fuel
from rejection is the best thing you could possibly do.
I was like, oh, yeah, you're not going to take me.
I'm gonna make my film anyway, and guess what, it's
going to be really good. And then you rewrite and
rewrite and rewrite. You know, well, no, no, because you know
(14:08):
writing is rewriting. But you never let anyone stop you.
And a very smart boss once taught me you never
take a no from someone who can't give you a yes.
That is key. You just keep going yep.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I think I absolutely love that idea. Never take a
note from someone who can't give you yes, because you can't.
If you don't have a power to say yes, then
you should have the power to say all the time.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like you can get a no from the person that
answers to the phone. The phone, let's say, But is
that the person that you're really needing me yes from?
M M. Yeah, so that's the thing you have.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, you've given me a new mantra. Thank you for that. Okay,
So now we're jumping to the other side of the spectrum. Okay,
you kept saying about these films and then there were
four main actresses and you got sophisticated, which you mean financing?
How bad?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Did you find financing?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
At first? Crowdfunding? I did a kickstarted ending up. We
raised I think it was, I mean only like eight
thousand dollars. You know, we were so afraid of it,
but my producer and I went for it and we
just sent we built the page, the kickstart page. And
the thing is about crowdfunding, you know, it's like you
(15:34):
meet somebody else, like when one person has an idea,
it's one thing. But the minute you get that partner,
you double it, so then you have two communities. And
that's the way I've always built it. Always crowdfunded, always
raised money for my project. Is is you know, inviting
other people into the idea and have them be collaborators.
(15:55):
And it's amazing how that grows exponentially your effort. So
with ending Up, we crowdfunded and then this one play date,
we crowdfunded thirteen thousand dollars, and so it grew. You know,
I just kept expanding my followers. Always keep your email lists,
have a newsletter if you can, like get your Mailchimp
(16:17):
set up, and just collect email addresses. And mine is
now in the thousands. So direct email is really powerful.
Social media is one thing, but direct email marketing is everything,
in my opinion, or in person parties, cocktail parties, fundraiser
kind of things. But you know, start small, don't overwhelm yourself,
(16:38):
because if you get too far ahead of yourself, it
stops you. But if you take digestible bites, I really
think you just start growing one thing at a time.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
The power of networking. Because I heard you say cocktail
parties and things like that. People ask me all the time,
how do you know that person them was like working.
How important is this? Because I keep telling authors you
got to get out here, especially once you want movie
adaptations or they want to shoot their own like you
gotta get out here. How important is it? And the
(17:12):
proper crowd?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I think it's hugely important. It's one piece of the puzzle,
but it's definitely a piece of it. You know, one
of my mentors is Todd Holland. He's the one I
shadowed on, so help me, Todd and CBS. He is
a master director and a great human and he has
this formula that I'd love to share because I think
it's really important. And the first piece is practice your craft,
(17:37):
which we just talked about, right, Grab your iPhone, make
your little, you know, a thousand dollars movie. Then you grow.
You keep practicing your craft, then you The second piece
is network, okay, and that's a very big piece, and
I'll tell you more about how I network. The third
thing is protect your joy. Okay. These films you see
(17:58):
behind me, the things I do, they're important to me.
They're meaningful. So I'm always protecting my joy, not only
in my work but outside. Like, what are the things
you love to do? Right, and the last step most important,
repeat because this ain't easy and it takes that formula
over and over. So practice your craft, network, protect your joy,
(18:22):
and repeat and you keep doing that and it's just time.
It builds. Specifically with networking, I think you have to join.
The best thing you can do is join a group
like I joined Filmmakers. It's in Los Angeles. Started out
in New York. It's in Los Angeles and it's such
(18:42):
a supportive, wonderful group. I'm also part of Film Fetals.
You know, there's women in film in every single city.
There's Alliance of Women Directors in LA. All of these
resources are there, just support and they have meetups and
then you connect with people and you network and you
never know who you're gonna meet at these things. And
then you have professional affiliations. If you're a member of SAG,
(19:05):
the Screen Actors Guild, which I am, I'm a member
of the DGA, the Director's Guild of America, and I
go to events and I network in those circles. You
just start meeting people. I mean that's how I met
Todd Holland at a DG at some DGA events, and
you just keep that networking going that the best thing
you can do for networking is actually keep the spreadsheet,
(19:25):
or if you're not a spreadsheet person, a list. I
met this person on this date in this place. This
is the last time I reached out. And then you
keep an eye out for these people, and you look
in the trades, like let's say you read deadline, you know,
and you see, oh, this person just got a new show.
Let me just send them an email. Nothing about myself,
(19:48):
no ask, you just say congratulations. I just think it's great.
You follow them on social media and you make comments,
so they get used to seeing your name, they get
used to who you are. You always uplift, you, always joyful.
They say, it takes seven touches. And then hopefully you
go to an event in person and you get lucky
and you ride down in an elevator with that person,
(20:11):
or you go to a film festival and there happened
to be they happen to be a panelist at the
film festival you're at. So all these touches build your
circle of networking, and you just keep doing what you're doing.
And you, my dear, well, no, no, are a master networker.
I've watched some of your interviews. You have networked with
(20:31):
a lot of people on these and I give you
tremendous kudos because it's not easy. It's time spent. And
I'm sure you have your master spreadsheet or your list
and you keep in touch with these people. And if
you don't, you're going to start that today, because I said,
I am.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, if I can't remember crafty, because everything everybody I
met is in my head, I'm like, I just remember
everyone and how I met them and where I met.
I would do you.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Start a simple spreadsheet? Just start keeping track. I met
this person, I interviewed them on this date. And then
when you see and maybe something that stood out to
you about them, you know, like a lot of times
I when I go into a general meeting. You know,
we have these things in this town called general meetings.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You meet with.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
A you know, executive, network executive, you meet with showrunners
or whoever it is. But you go and it's really
good to research them before. So maybe you keep a list, right,
you keep your spreadsheet, you put in you know, I
met Paige Marrow Kimball in this place or this you know,
I interviewed her. These are some things about great resources Facebook,
(21:39):
like you can tell from my Facebook or my Instagram
I'm a parent. Oh, I'm a parent. You draw things
that you have in common, or you know, she's from
New York, I'm from New York. Oh she lives in
LA now, you know, like anything, or she worked on
this show and I have a friend who worked in
the show. You just kind of put down little hits
that you get from people. You know, she has a dog.
(22:00):
I love dogs. You know, it's whatever it is that
you have in common. It's a really great tool. And
then you remember, you know, and then you can congratulate
them and remind them how you met, or you know,
remind them a little something that you admire about them
or something you have in common, and that's how you
build relationships and network. Nice.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Thank you so much for Okay, everyone listening to this
particular podcast, you need to rewind listen to it again
because this inf just amazing. She has been so helpful.
I have two questions because we are running out of
time really fast, okay, and those questions Number one is
(22:39):
how did you go from behind the camera to in
front of the because I'm gonna go from in front
to behind or they go I want to be behind
but you did it the other way around. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I always had a love of performing, like you're coming
up in high school and I loved performing. I thought
that's what I was going to do. And then once
I got behind the camera, I just fell in love
with filmmaking. But it really came when my kids were
born and I felt like I didn't have the hours
to put into that producing path, so I started acting
because it was less time consuming at the time. And
then I started doing commercials. So it really came late
(23:11):
for me. It came in my thirties. I was already
in my mid thirties, and I have to say, like,
there's nothing wrong. It's never too late. I mean, and
now my acting career is really gaining momentum, and it's
like I do both now, and I think you just
throw yourself in. You find a great teacher. That's another group,
right community. I found a great teacher named Stuart K. Robinson.
(23:33):
He was a commercial teacher. Now he has an agency.
And then this group of people that would take his
class became my acting community. And I just learned. I
just started practicing and going out of an auditions and
getting auditions, and I don't know it just grows. Oh wow, yeah,
the Brave.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
A whole different skill set though I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But you have to understand that acting, directing, writing, producing,
it all feeds each other because in order to be
a great director, you have to understand actors. In order
to be a great actor, you have to understand writers
and directors, you know, and producers is kind of the
whole thing. It's I call it a three hundred and
sixty degree view of this industry. You know that I've
(24:14):
had and I've done every job from craft service to peaying,
to producing, to dping to editing, all of it and
that all becomes part of your skill set. So I
say practice, you know, I'll just say this. My last
film that I made was a documentary. I went back
to documentary powers and that I shot with this over
(24:36):
the pandemic, all female crew of one with my iPhone.
I had really great mic. You got to get the
mic plug it in. They have lenses and stuff you
can experiment with. But I made that film by myself,
learned how to edit, and that film was arguably my
most successful film today. It went all over the world
of festivals. It won twelve awards, and it's you know,
(24:58):
got distribution. So that film is really special to me
because I didn't. It just sort of was born and
I just went for it. So I really think having
all the perspectives, being a multi hyphen it it's a
good thing. Now. You know, you don't have to choose
one practice your craft in all different ways. That's what
(25:18):
I think.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, I love that about now because you can if
you get a base in one area and it makes
an income, you can then go other areas and be like,
do I like this? Do I like this a little bit?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right? You need the income, you need the bread and butter,
and then you can dabble in your other things and
build those things. You know, it's about time, I think because.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
There was many gay Keyberwait, that's a whole nother discussion
from you. What was the other question?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Did you have one more?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And so the last question is no, come on, brain,
not not again? You know it? Oh but I know
what it is. I know what it is. I know it.
So the last question is what's coming up next for you?
And where can people find out more information? You see
a look at that. There was the cookie cutter question.
That's the one I messed up on.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I know, right, let's see what is coming up next.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited because I have a
feature film called The So Long Summer that's a coming
of age story about a mother and daughter in nineteen
nineteen seventies and it's very personal based on my mother,
and it's a beautiful film and we're gaining some momentum,
(26:33):
so hopefully we'll be shooting that this year. The other
thing I'm doing is another documentary. See that's scripted, okay.
And then I'm doing another documentary where I'm following this
wonderful couple. It's called their Sherry and Gonzalo are their names,
and they're in their eighties and their artists, and they
built this beautiful home together with all of their art,
(26:54):
called the Venice Mosaic Tyle House, and it's following them
through their lives together and they're aging and they're creating art.
They have no kids. I want to leave their house too,
so they're figuring out what to do next. So they're
planning their futures at this point in their lives. And
it's a beautiful love story. It's called Sharing Gunzalo Are
in Love. I've done just did two more Sesame Street films.
(27:18):
I've done many films for Sesame Street. It's been wonderful,
and I support up and coming directors by giving them
opportunities on those films. Directors and art directors and production
design and all of those things, all different kinds of
people dps, and I use those to spread the love
and pay it forward. Just got done with one called
(27:39):
E is for exploring that an up and coming director
named Rada Meida directed and I produced, and I found
her through a program through my production company called Macazine
Films Director's Programs. So if you want to check that
out for future opportunities, it's macazinefilms dot com and that
(28:01):
is spelled m A k A z A N Films
with an s. Magazine Films and you can find me
on Instagram page tomorrow Kimball on Instagram and Facebook, mom
all over. So check it out, sign up for my
newsletter and you can find out opportunities and let's do
(28:22):
some work. Let's create some magic. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
So everyone out there that is filmmakers that listened to
this podcast, because you know what's interesting that more filmmakers
are listening to this podcast now than there are writers.
And this was developed so could learn how to do films.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You've had some really interesting industry guests I've been. I
told you I was very impressed with you had I thought,
is it Carol Kirshner's at her last name? I saw her?
And then you had Marta, Uh what was her name?
For friends? What's her last name? She's amazing Kaufman. I
saw her. I mean I was like, wow, you some
good people or very yes. Entertainment, Yeah, yes, amazing, amazing group.
(29:07):
But I think writing and filmmaking it goes hand in
hand because we're all storytellers. At the end of the day,
it's like we can't help who we are. That's how
you know, you know, that's how you know you love
it because it's like you can't do anything else.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
We were shaman back in the day. This was our
This was our purpose. And I think that it can
take all forms. You can write a novel, you can
write a screenplay. Just have to practice the craft, find out,
learn from people you know, practice your craft, and just
follow your heart as much as you can.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
You know, thank you so much for those ending words.
I love that idea, follow your heart, And I'm going
to ask you something I never do here, and that
is a we're going to do a segment transition right here.
Just notice this, follow your heart and if your heart
decides to take you to www. Dot And I thought,
(30:01):
did you notice that one?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yes, very smooth.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I can go down to the middle of the page
and you can see the charities that we proudly support.
We asked that you take the time out to support
them as well. This does not mean money. It means
that you could just give them some resources that could
be your energy or some knowledge, because hey, once or
twice we've had guests on and they're like, oh, I
needed to know that, So definitely think about doing that.
We thank you in advance for that. Remember that wisdom
(30:26):
is all around you if you're opening to find it
and accepting it. So peace in love you guys from Monona.
And before I talk about the Missing Jade, I just
want to say I love this guest because she worked
on one of my favorite television shows, The Green Light
Project and The Mis and also from the Missing Jade.
Oh bye bye you guys, and oh yeah, thanks for listening.
Hello everyone, and welcome to the Ladies Tail Podcast, my
absolute favorite podcast of the four podcasts to record. Oh wait,
I can't say that I love all my podcasts equally.
You see the smile, right, sarcasm it's sarcasm. No I do,
I do, I really do? Hi, I will know that.
By the way, Wow, how tapped to me? I forgot
(00:23):
I remember to introduce myself. Oh head roll with the yes,
I'm sorry to my professionalism. I actually have like a
real professional person in the house today, so I need
to act like I have since that's not happening. One
of my friends says, since you know, when people are cute,
their sense grows out in their hair. You see how
long it is. It's all down here at the tips.
(00:43):
Split ends too well, y'all. I know y'all know this
because you're a regular listener to the podcast. I'm just
gonna assume it regular listener and they are. And I
thought divorce was bad, and I thought being grand up
was easy if only our mer memoir and verse Foreign
Coffee with it was web in Widow's Debt. And those
are six books, but those are the six audio books.
(01:04):
Ha ha, you thought I Audi wrote six books? Me
like this. No, I try to over In total, it
was twenty some but we're only going to talk about seventeen,
so you can see the other eleven books on www
Dot di thought Ladies dot com that I mentioned. I'm
an anti thought lady. Yes, we're called the Anti Thought Ladies.
There we go. I think I finished everything about me,
(01:25):
which is weird to say because I'm a narcissist. No,
they never get finished talking about them, the narcissists of
the group. Not a true narcissist. God, that would be horrible.
But you're not here to hear about me because not
a true narcissist. Ha ha. You're here to hear about
our wonderful guests. Wonderful guests. Would you like to introduce yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes, my goodness, you're like a one woman Mardi Gras.
I will say that for the record. My name is
Paigemorrow Kimball, and I'm so happy we got this to
work out.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So your guest when she says that, she really means
that because the last time I got food poisoning from
something I hate.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Food poisoning is the worst.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You know, So that granted I did lose a little
weight a whole one pound, So like every time, right,
every time I get food poisoning, I'm like, at least
it's two pounds gone.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay, but we're not going down that food rabbit hole. Remember,
oh right?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Oh okay, Yeah, you are definitely a producer. You keep
things on track.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's true. It's true. I'm a producer. Chop chop. You
gotta be right, got to be productive, exactly. Nice to
be here.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Hello, it is a pleasure to have you here. Okay,
first question, I know that I said that you should
say three things about yourself.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, so, and I saw you write it down, So
go ahead with Okay, I'm going to go down in this.
I mean, there's so many things, so many feelings, so
little time. But first of all, I will say I
am a multi hyphen it in multi genres of the
film and television industry. I am a recent empty nester.
(03:13):
I just dropped my youngest daughter off.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
To call the.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But I'm kind of okay because I have a really
nice husband and it's our time, so we'll see how
that goes. And then I have the cutest dog ever.
That's number three, but she'd be number one. You want
to see her?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes, you can't take cuts without I know.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh my, she's a rescue. Her name is Finley. Can
you say she doesn't bark, she's not mean, and she's
not whiny. She's like a big dog in a little
dog's body.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So how okay, Now what you have is the perfect dog.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know, it's true, you are the perfect dog.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
She's upstaging me. Never work with children or animals. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think it's great because no one notices like how
bad you do because I was like, so cute, and
I'm like, right, mess that up. Then you didn't even
notice because they're so cute. I did have a real
first question.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, so what else do you want to know?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay? I think I've mentioned before. Well, no, before I
get started on my real, real professional first question, let's
talk about the things that I need to get out
of the way, Okay, so I don't go down the
rabbit hole. One of the reasons that we started interviewing
so many people in LA was because I read when
I was twelve years old that there's something where a
table where they put all the all the food on
(04:38):
it and they keep that for all the hours that
it is out there. And I cannot remember the name
of it right now, which is so pissing me off.
And you know the table where they put the craft
service happy, How do you know crafty?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You're you're too young to forget things. You're you're like
crafty everything, craft everything. Yeah, ye, gotta be careful. You
get fat with crafty.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And I'm already fat.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
They feed you all the time. So oh, we're not
going down the food rabbit hole. You're trying to get
me there, I.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Feel I said, I was getting it out of the
way so I don't do it later, all right, So
what's the best craft service table that you've ever had, that.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I've ever had or I've ever been on set with,
because you know, the the episodics, I mean, they have
the really good craft I just I was just shadowing
a director named Todd Holland on so help me. Todd
and CBS they had and it was up in Vancouver.
Those Canadians really know how to serve it up. They
(05:44):
had a great craft service table. They even had like
TSC pudding in the mornings, and like, you know, things
like if you want to avoid carbs, which I try to,
you can just find your thing. You know, these little
egg cups. I mean, I loved the craft service on
so helped me Todd. Unfortunately, this show got canceled. Yeah,
that's sad, it happens. Yeah, the show got canceled after
(06:08):
I think it was the third season.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, this is the third season.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah. And then I also like The Neighborhood. It's a
multiicam show is and it was really really good crafty.
But I can't tell you what I had. I just
remember it being good stood out in my mind. I
spent a lot of time in that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I love hearing about crafty. That's like my favorite thing
to do. Okay, now let's talk about real business. I'm sorry.
I told you I'm trying to I'm trying to be.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The next thing is, now I'm thinking about that crafty.
I'm sorry. The next thing is, like you wanted to
m hm.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You're not allowed to be sorry. Women apologize too much,
don't we. We got to stop how to recognize and
just say, you know, like, find another thing to say. Now,
I'm sorry, but let me try to do better. You
know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Thank you? Yeah, I don't know how you know that.
I have been working on that for the last two weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Love, take charge. Be confident. I'm going to need that skill.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And we're working on all the time, you know, yep,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Real question, Okay, you're one of the few producers I
know that have jumped from documentary into scripted. How on
earth did you do it?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay? I could give you the map right now. So,
as you said, started in documentary, I did a lot of,
you know, reality shows. After documentary I did. First, I
started in like daytime television, you know, like the home
shows kind of thing, and I worked for OPRAH, which
I loved. I was for interview producer out here in
(07:45):
Los Angeles. I came from New York, so I started
on daytime in New York, moved out here, worked for OPRAH,
freelance out here, meeting LA and then I started reality shows.
After documentaries I did in the middle, I did of
sports documentaries. I worked on the Olympics, which was so
great for an independent documentary filmmaker named Bud Greenspan. He
(08:06):
did a lot of the independent Olympic films, like the
official Olympic films, and that was so great. Came out
to Los Angeles, started working for OPRAH, freelance, did a
couple of TV shows, and then I did Project green Light,
which was a great That was a great show to
work on. And then that morphed into narrative filmmaking scripted
(08:30):
because I just made a short film. You know, I
had my babies, I had risen. I climbed the ladder
in reality television to supervising producer and it's like, the
hours were so crazy that I just decided when I
became a mom that I wanted to spend actually time
with my kids and actually see them grow up. You know,
it's a crazy concept, but that's what I did. So
(08:52):
I took a step back out of reality, which was
six hours six days a week, like nineteen hour days.
It was nuts, but it's what you had to do, right,
So took a step back and I started acting at
that time, which was always a passion. And then I
realized I got to create content for myself to be in.
So that's when I started down the narrative path and
(09:14):
I made a couple of films. I started with a
really small one, like you know, shot it with a
few friends. It was called Slipped, and it was so
sorry my phone was ringing. It was It was short
and sweet, but it kind of I got the bug
and then I made you can see that. I made
this one next, Ending Up. It was a divorce comedy.
(09:35):
I gave myself a little cameo. But at that time
I was so intrigued with just directing narrative and I
wanted to focus that I just I just did that.
I was the director, of producer, writer, and then I
had a little cameo in it. But Ending Up did
really well, and then based on the success of that,
going to all the film fast, let me make this
Little Beauty helped play date. This really became like a
(09:57):
social impact film and it still wins awards. And this
one I was not in. I have a tiny part
in the beginning where you know, I just needed a
lady in the playground. I was a lady in the playground.
But I got to say, making that film open so
many doors for me. So that's how you do it.
To answer your question, you can do it. You know,
(10:20):
you surround yourself with people who are just talented and
know a lot. You write yourself script, you either put
yourself in it or you direct it, and you practice practice, practice,
and then you just put it out there. I mean,
you know, we're storytellers, and I think that you just
got to know your sort of what your special sauce is,
(10:45):
you know, I know mine is to uplift and inspire,
and so I just kind of came with but up
with these ideas. And the first film Slipped was a
really simple film. Oh no, I made one before that.
Oh my god, I'm knocked up. It was a comedy,
really really simple, finding my way slipped, really really simplifying
my way, ending up a little more sophisticated for main
(11:05):
actresses the whole thing. And then Playdate was the one
that kind of got me into the studio programs and
just sort of started the forward momentum. You know, does
that answer your question in a really long winded answer.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
The more detailed there are, the better.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I want to learn, and I know I want to learn,
and thank you so much for that. Just to be
able to start off simple. This gives me a question
that is completely on the other side of the of
the spectrum. Sure, but I'm not sure I want to
jump there yet, So I'm going to jump here first. Okay,
a divorce comedy film. How did you come up with that?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So interesting? No, I mean I was I've been married
for now probably twenty four years. I think it is
twenty three years now, married.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Twenty three ars.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So I just would like, you know, sort of fantasize
what if we got divorced because our lives became so meshed,
you know, at that time, probably we had been married
about thirteen years. That was the year my parents got divorced.
So I started thinking, well, we're good, but what if, like,
how would I we separate all of our you know,
(12:24):
CDs and our record albums at the time it was CDs,
But how would we kind of like separate our lives
and what would that be like? And it just kind
of like popped in a lot of times I ask
a question, you know, with that idea, like what if
this happened? And then you go down this path and
(12:44):
you know, what I find really helpful is deadline because
deadlines as not in the publication deadline, but having a deadline.
So I knew I wanted to apply to the UH
Women What is it at AFI the DWW. So the
(13:04):
DWW is a contest really and you send them a
short and if you get picked, you get to make it.
So I applied and I wanted to apply. So I
wrote this on deadline and this was my idea. It's
a divorce comedy. And I did not get in, and
this was positive fuel. That's the other thing. Just put
it out there. You're going to get rejected, rejected, rejected,
(13:27):
and then guess what. They were probably really bummed that
they didn't take me because this film did really well.
And then I applied again with Playdate. Guess what, got
an interview, did not get in, and they were really
bummed because that film did really, really, really well. But
what I'm saying is if I give myself this deadline
(13:48):
and this contest and I just put it in, see
what happens. It motivates you, you know, and positive fuel
from rejection is the best thing you could possibly do.
I was like, oh, yeah, you're not going to take me.
I'm gonna make my film anyway, and guess what, it's
going to be really good. And then you rewrite and
rewrite and rewrite. You know, well, no, no, because you know
(14:08):
writing is rewriting. But you never let anyone stop you.
And a very smart boss once taught me you never
take a no from someone who can't give you a yes.
That is key. You just keep going yep.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I think I absolutely love that idea. Never take a
note from someone who can't give you yes, because you can't.
If you don't have a power to say yes, then
you should have the power to say all the time.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like you can get a no from the person that
answers to the phone. The phone, let's say, But is
that the person that you're really needing me yes from?
M M. Yeah, so that's the thing you have.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, you've given me a new mantra. Thank you for that. Okay,
So now we're jumping to the other side of the spectrum. Okay,
you kept saying about these films and then there were
four main actresses and you got sophisticated, which you mean financing?
How bad?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Did you find financing?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
At first? Crowdfunding? I did a kickstarted ending up. We
raised I think it was, I mean only like eight
thousand dollars. You know, we were so afraid of it,
but my producer and I went for it and we
just sent we built the page, the kickstart page. And
the thing is about crowdfunding, you know, it's like you
(15:34):
meet somebody else, like when one person has an idea,
it's one thing. But the minute you get that partner,
you double it, so then you have two communities. And
that's the way I've always built it. Always crowdfunded, always
raised money for my project. Is is you know, inviting
other people into the idea and have them be collaborators.
(15:55):
And it's amazing how that grows exponentially your effort. So
with ending Up, we crowdfunded and then this one play date,
we crowdfunded thirteen thousand dollars, and so it grew. You know,
I just kept expanding my followers. Always keep your email lists,
have a newsletter if you can, like get your Mailchimp
(16:17):
set up, and just collect email addresses. And mine is
now in the thousands. So direct email is really powerful.
Social media is one thing, but direct email marketing is everything,
in my opinion, or in person parties, cocktail parties, fundraiser
kind of things. But you know, start small, don't overwhelm yourself,
(16:38):
because if you get too far ahead of yourself, it
stops you. But if you take digestible bites, I really
think you just start growing one thing at a time.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
The power of networking. Because I heard you say cocktail
parties and things like that. People ask me all the time,
how do you know that person them was like working.
How important is this? Because I keep telling authors you
got to get out here, especially once you want movie
adaptations or they want to shoot their own like you
gotta get out here. How important is it? And the
(17:12):
proper crowd?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I think it's hugely important. It's one piece of the puzzle,
but it's definitely a piece of it. You know, one
of my mentors is Todd Holland. He's the one I
shadowed on, so help me, Todd and CBS. He is
a master director and a great human and he has
this formula that I'd love to share because I think
it's really important. And the first piece is practice your craft,
(17:37):
which we just talked about, right, Grab your iPhone, make
your little, you know, a thousand dollars movie. Then you grow.
You keep practicing your craft, then you The second piece
is network, okay, and that's a very big piece, and
I'll tell you more about how I network. The third
thing is protect your joy. Okay. These films you see
(17:58):
behind me, the things I do, they're important to me.
They're meaningful. So I'm always protecting my joy, not only
in my work but outside. Like, what are the things
you love to do? Right, and the last step most important,
repeat because this ain't easy and it takes that formula
over and over. So practice your craft, network, protect your joy,
(18:22):
and repeat and you keep doing that and it's just time.
It builds. Specifically with networking, I think you have to join.
The best thing you can do is join a group
like I joined Filmmakers. It's in Los Angeles. Started out
in New York. It's in Los Angeles and it's such
(18:42):
a supportive, wonderful group. I'm also part of Film Fetals.
You know, there's women in film in every single city.
There's Alliance of Women Directors in LA. All of these
resources are there, just support and they have meetups and
then you connect with people and you network and you
never know who you're gonna meet at these things. And
then you have professional affiliations. If you're a member of SAG,
(19:05):
the Screen Actors Guild, which I am, I'm a member
of the DGA, the Director's Guild of America, and I
go to events and I network in those circles. You
just start meeting people. I mean that's how I met
Todd Holland at a DG at some DGA events, and
you just keep that networking going that the best thing
you can do for networking is actually keep the spreadsheet,
(19:25):
or if you're not a spreadsheet person, a list. I
met this person on this date in this place. This
is the last time I reached out. And then you
keep an eye out for these people, and you look
in the trades, like let's say you read deadline, you know,
and you see, oh, this person just got a new show.
Let me just send them an email. Nothing about myself,
(19:48):
no ask, you just say congratulations. I just think it's great.
You follow them on social media and you make comments,
so they get used to seeing your name, they get
used to who you are. You always uplift, you, always joyful.
They say, it takes seven touches. And then hopefully you
go to an event in person and you get lucky
and you ride down in an elevator with that person,
(20:11):
or you go to a film festival and there happened
to be they happen to be a panelist at the
film festival you're at. So all these touches build your
circle of networking, and you just keep doing what you're doing.
And you, my dear, well, no, no, are a master networker.
I've watched some of your interviews. You have networked with
(20:31):
a lot of people on these and I give you
tremendous kudos because it's not easy. It's time spent. And
I'm sure you have your master spreadsheet or your list
and you keep in touch with these people. And if
you don't, you're going to start that today, because I said,
I am.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, if I can't remember crafty, because everything everybody I
met is in my head, I'm like, I just remember
everyone and how I met them and where I met.
I would do you.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Start a simple spreadsheet? Just start keeping track. I met
this person, I interviewed them on this date. And then
when you see and maybe something that stood out to
you about them, you know, like a lot of times
I when I go into a general meeting. You know,
we have these things in this town called general meetings.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You meet with.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
A you know, executive, network executive, you meet with showrunners
or whoever it is. But you go and it's really
good to research them before. So maybe you keep a list, right,
you keep your spreadsheet, you put in you know, I
met Paige Marrow Kimball in this place or this you know,
I interviewed her. These are some things about great resources Facebook,
(21:39):
like you can tell from my Facebook or my Instagram
I'm a parent. Oh, I'm a parent. You draw things
that you have in common, or you know, she's from
New York, I'm from New York. Oh she lives in
LA now, you know, like anything, or she worked on
this show and I have a friend who worked in
the show. You just kind of put down little hits
that you get from people. You know, she has a dog.
(22:00):
I love dogs. You know, it's whatever it is that
you have in common. It's a really great tool. And
then you remember, you know, and then you can congratulate
them and remind them how you met, or you know,
remind them a little something that you admire about them
or something you have in common, and that's how you
build relationships and network. Nice.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Thank you so much for Okay, everyone listening to this
particular podcast, you need to rewind listen to it again
because this inf just amazing. She has been so helpful.
I have two questions because we are running out of
time really fast, okay, and those questions Number one is
(22:39):
how did you go from behind the camera to in
front of the because I'm gonna go from in front
to behind or they go I want to be behind
but you did it the other way around. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I always had a love of performing, like you're coming
up in high school and I loved performing. I thought
that's what I was going to do. And then once
I got behind the camera, I just fell in love
with filmmaking. But it really came when my kids were
born and I felt like I didn't have the hours
to put into that producing path, so I started acting
because it was less time consuming at the time. And
then I started doing commercials. So it really came late
(23:11):
for me. It came in my thirties. I was already
in my mid thirties, and I have to say, like,
there's nothing wrong. It's never too late. I mean, and
now my acting career is really gaining momentum, and it's
like I do both now, and I think you just
throw yourself in. You find a great teacher. That's another group,
right community. I found a great teacher named Stuart K. Robinson.
(23:33):
He was a commercial teacher. Now he has an agency.
And then this group of people that would take his
class became my acting community. And I just learned. I
just started practicing and going out of an auditions and
getting auditions, and I don't know it just grows. Oh wow, yeah,
the Brave.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
A whole different skill set though I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But you have to understand that acting, directing, writing, producing,
it all feeds each other because in order to be
a great director, you have to understand actors. In order
to be a great actor, you have to understand writers
and directors, you know, and producers is kind of the
whole thing. It's I call it a three hundred and
sixty degree view of this industry. You know that I've
(24:14):
had and I've done every job from craft service to peaying,
to producing, to dping to editing, all of it and
that all becomes part of your skill set. So I
say practice, you know, I'll just say this. My last
film that I made was a documentary. I went back
to documentary powers and that I shot with this over
(24:36):
the pandemic, all female crew of one with my iPhone.
I had really great mic. You got to get the
mic plug it in. They have lenses and stuff you
can experiment with. But I made that film by myself,
learned how to edit, and that film was arguably my
most successful film today. It went all over the world
of festivals. It won twelve awards, and it's you know,
(24:58):
got distribution. So that film is really special to me
because I didn't. It just sort of was born and
I just went for it. So I really think having
all the perspectives, being a multi hyphen it it's a
good thing. Now. You know, you don't have to choose
one practice your craft in all different ways. That's what
(25:18):
I think.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, I love that about now because you can if
you get a base in one area and it makes
an income, you can then go other areas and be like,
do I like this? Do I like this a little bit?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right? You need the income, you need the bread and butter,
and then you can dabble in your other things and
build those things. You know, it's about time, I think because.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
There was many gay Keyberwait, that's a whole nother discussion
from you. What was the other question?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Did you have one more?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
And so the last question is no, come on, brain,
not not again? You know it? Oh but I know
what it is. I know what it is. I know it.
So the last question is what's coming up next for you?
And where can people find out more information? You see
a look at that. There was the cookie cutter question.
That's the one I messed up on.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I know, right, let's see what is coming up next.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited because I have a
feature film called The So Long Summer that's a coming
of age story about a mother and daughter in nineteen
nineteen seventies and it's very personal based on my mother,
and it's a beautiful film and we're gaining some momentum,
(26:33):
so hopefully we'll be shooting that this year. The other
thing I'm doing is another documentary. See that's scripted, okay.
And then I'm doing another documentary where I'm following this
wonderful couple. It's called their Sherry and Gonzalo are their names,
and they're in their eighties and their artists, and they
built this beautiful home together with all of their art,
(26:54):
called the Venice Mosaic Tyle House, and it's following them
through their lives together and they're aging and they're creating art.
They have no kids. I want to leave their house too,
so they're figuring out what to do next. So they're
planning their futures at this point in their lives. And
it's a beautiful love story. It's called Sharing Gunzalo Are
in Love. I've done just did two more Sesame Street films.
(27:18):
I've done many films for Sesame Street. It's been wonderful,
and I support up and coming directors by giving them
opportunities on those films. Directors and art directors and production
design and all of those things, all different kinds of
people dps, and I use those to spread the love
and pay it forward. Just got done with one called
(27:39):
E is for exploring that an up and coming director
named Rada Meida directed and I produced, and I found
her through a program through my production company called Macazine
Films Director's Programs. So if you want to check that
out for future opportunities, it's macazinefilms dot com and that
(28:01):
is spelled m A k A z A N Films
with an s. Magazine Films and you can find me
on Instagram page tomorrow Kimball on Instagram and Facebook, mom
all over. So check it out, sign up for my
newsletter and you can find out opportunities and let's do
(28:22):
some work. Let's create some magic. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
So everyone out there that is filmmakers that listened to
this podcast, because you know what's interesting that more filmmakers
are listening to this podcast now than there are writers.
And this was developed so could learn how to do films.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You've had some really interesting industry guests I've been. I
told you I was very impressed with you had I thought,
is it Carol Kirshner's at her last name? I saw her?
And then you had Marta, Uh what was her name?
For friends? What's her last name? She's amazing Kaufman. I
saw her. I mean I was like, wow, you some
good people or very yes. Entertainment, Yeah, yes, amazing, amazing group.
(29:07):
But I think writing and filmmaking it goes hand in
hand because we're all storytellers. At the end of the day,
it's like we can't help who we are. That's how
you know, you know, that's how you know you love
it because it's like you can't do anything else.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
We were shaman back in the day. This was our
This was our purpose. And I think that it can
take all forms. You can write a novel, you can
write a screenplay. Just have to practice the craft, find out,
learn from people you know, practice your craft, and just
follow your heart as much as you can.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
You know, thank you so much for those ending words.
I love that idea, follow your heart, And I'm going
to ask you something I never do here, and that
is a we're going to do a segment transition right here.
Just notice this, follow your heart and if your heart
decides to take you to www. Dot And I thought,
(30:01):
did you notice that one?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yes, very smooth.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I can go down to the middle of the page
and you can see the charities that we proudly support.
We asked that you take the time out to support
them as well. This does not mean money. It means
that you could just give them some resources that could
be your energy or some knowledge, because hey, once or
twice we've had guests on and they're like, oh, I
needed to know that, So definitely think about doing that.
We thank you in advance for that. Remember that wisdom
(30:26):
is all around you if you're opening to find it
and accepting it. So peace in love you guys from Monona.
And before I talk about the Missing Jade, I just
want to say I love this guest because she worked
on one of my favorite television shows, The Green Light
Project and The Mis and also from the Missing Jade.
Oh bye bye you guys, and oh yeah, thanks for listening.
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