November 30, 2025 • 29 mins
North San Antonio author/retired Army officer Darrell Barry who served under the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” era talks about his release “Early This Morning” where a group of high-ranking officers at the Pentagon and some Congressmen try to rid of the homosexuals in the Army where it becomes clear who most likely will die! Check out the compelling story and his release at www.dberrybooks.com and www.linktr.ee/themikewagnershow today! #podmatch #darrellberry #northsanantonio #author #earlythismorning #dontaskdonttell #military #highrankingofficers #pentagon #army #spreaker #spotify #iheartradio #applemusic #bitchute #rumble #youtube #mikewagner #themikewagnershow #mikewagnerdarrellberry #themikewagnershowdarrellberry
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We'll here are the Amazing Gentleman who's an author and
retired Army officer who served in both the classified and
the officer ranks and lives in north of San Antonio
with the two rescue dogs. He's a bachelor's in Psychology,
Masters in Human Resources, postgrad diploma in Strategic Intelligence from
the Defense Intelligence College and also served during the Don't
(01:51):
Don't Ask, Don't Tell regarding the gay service members. Has
a new book out there which is a talking taking
place during that Don't Tell, Don't Tell, Don't Ask, Don't
Tell period. The book is called Earlier This Morning, Live,
Ladies and Gentlemen, plus de Is and Beautiful Downtown San Antonio,
the amazing author, retired Army officer. We serve them both
classified and the officer ranks. Book is called Earlier This Morning.
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We've got the multi talent Daryl Berry. Daryl, good morning,
got after you, goodaving, Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Thank you, Mike. Nice to see you.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
What's great to have you on board. Darryl S.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Youre an author and retired Army officer. You serve both
in both classified and the officer ranks. You live in
San Antonio with your two rescue dogs. You have a
bachelor's in psychology, Masters in Human Resources, postgrad deployment and
Strategic intelligence from the Defense Intelligence College. You served during
the Don't Ask, Don't Tell period as well too, and
(02:43):
the new book talks about that, which basically it's in
the military or a group of high ranking officers at
the Pentagon and some congressmen trying to rid them in
the army endum most likely die. It's a chilling book
called Earlier This Morning. For getting all that, Darryl tell us,
I first, I.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Started UH well, having.
Speaker 8 (03:05):
Lived through the Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and UH worked
in the intel fiel, specifically biological agents. It it seemed
a good match for me, And actually I love mysteries
and so I've always kind of wanted to write a mystery,
and I thought, you know, I may have the material
(03:26):
here to do one. So, uh, that's that's kind of
where I got started out. I'd write a little bit,
put it away, right, put it away, and finally out
decided about the time I was getting out of the service, Hey,
if you're going to do this, it'll be the time
to do it. So I just sit down and wrote it.
It was It was fun. Hopefully it'll be a page
turner for folks that want to read it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
And and I could see as a page turner as
well too. And what's at one precise moment that simply
influenced you each what you do in the rest of
your career.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
As far as writing the book.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Correct, Yeah, at that one precise moment said I'm something
gonna write, like, oh, occurrence and all that.
Speaker 8 (04:05):
Yes, I think I had to do really with memory
because about the time I was getting out, everything was fresh,
you know. Well, I mean I didn't I didn't get
out until like ninety seven.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
But everything was fresh in my mind.
Speaker 8 (04:20):
And you know, a lot of the locations that I
write about or correct locations, even though it's a fictitious book.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
So I think that was it. You know, it was just.
Speaker 8 (04:32):
I didn't want to lose my memory on some of
the details that I was writing about as I got older,
so I thought that this would be the time to
do it.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
And what are some of the memories that you had
too that you have heavily happened.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Maybe a few can jump out here.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Yeah, Well, as you were saying that, the book is
about a bunch of officers in the Pentagon trying to get
rid of gays and lesbids and this mission comes down
as a top secret mission, very dangerous.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
And they come up with an idea. You know, why
don't we just gather spy on these.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
Gays and lesbians, gathered them together in one spot, train
them and send them on this mission. Hopefully they'll find
out a lot of good information for us. But if
they get sick and die, which they probably will, who cares.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
They're expendable. Well that's the purpose of the book.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
Now, of course it is fiction, but I will say this,
I did experience things like being in a bar, in
a gay bar, and someone you know, not necessarily a friend,
but just somebody that knew I was in the military
coming over to me and saying they're here.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Just they're here, and I know what that means.
Speaker 8 (05:54):
They're either military police or you know, someone that are
looking for people in a bar.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
So I didn't do anything differently.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
I mean, I figured I'm just there drinking, you know
if I but you know the little code words were
used like that, well, I used a little bit of
that type of experience in the book.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Of course, the book goes into much more.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Dramatic, right yeah, just like you know, hey, I like
your coat, which is code for you know, hey get
this guy audi hero or some piece say hey, I
like your hath. It means it's like, you know, potential
suspect whatever.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
It is exactly exactly and that I mean, that's that's known.
That went on for sure. So that part was not
made up.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
And the book actually opens with some very realistic situations,
and then of course it carries on through the whole
process of them being spied on and go on this mission.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And besides, you know, you be in a bar that
you talked about one what are some of the other
you know, events that you had, maybe another one that
just jumped out, which is like close call or you know,
just or like say, hey, this is something you got
to learn from guys, you know, don't time yeah like.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
That, Yeah, uh not necessarily.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Well, I tell you this during Don't Ask DOTEL, which
was about nineteen ninety four through twenty eleven. During that
period of time, you know, the situation was no one
is to ask gay service members if they're gay, and
the gay service members are not to tell. Well, that
being said, that was kind of a stopgap between absolutely
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being outlawed and then later on when Obama.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
Came in to being everything goes okay with being gay.
Speaker 8 (07:35):
But anyway, during that period, people were still being kicked out.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
You know, there for some reason they.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
Were found out and a lot of very very talented
people were kicked out of the milder. So that was
another impetus for me to write the book. Now, nothing,
I didn't have any close calls like that, but it's
certainly there were many, many, many fellow service members that
were discharged.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Because that was highly suspected.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Listen, put it like this, said they were gay, you know,
or is it's more like sexual orientation? What would you say,
like like the racial like one in three, one in four,
one in five, one in ten or anything like that.
I don't have asked for percentages, but it sounds like,
you know, there's like a racial like one in three,
one in five. What do you say the racial would be,
I mean, just a bus.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
That's an interesting question, Mike. I've heard all sorts of things.
The United States.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
Military is story basically a cross section of our society.
Not quiet, but basically, And a lot of folks say that, like,
you know, one in ten people are gay or are
by I don't know if that's I think that would
be hard to get those stats, but that seems to
be a thing that goes around a lot. Now for
(08:49):
the military, it's probably the same weight. But you're back then,
you just weren't going to get I mean, nobody was
saying anything, so there was no way to.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
Gather that type of information. But most things that I read,
stats that I read like one in ten, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Yeah, I figure I figure about one.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Intend to be safe something to say one in three,
one in five and one in ten, everything like that.
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before get back to the book about Earlier this Morning,
how'd you first get involved with the Armed forces?
Speaker 7 (11:39):
I was drafted.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
At the fur if I choice or well, I.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Was drafted at the very very end of the Vietnam War.
And when I got my draft notice, I thought, wow,
if I'm going to be drafted, I think I want
to be a medic. So I ran down and joined
real quick, because if you joined during that period of time,
you could choose what you wanted. And so I joined.
Sure enough, they trained me for a medic and then
later on an operator room technician, And so that's how
(12:08):
I became an enlisted personnel. Did my three years, didn't
have to go to Vietnam, and then then got out,
finished school and then came back as an officer. But yeah,
the initial part was that draft notice. But for me
it worked out.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
I mean, I enjoyed my time in the military.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And plus you've been an officer. What were some of
the titles that you had as an officer as well too,
being classified? The ranks and were some of the ranks
that you held, and you know, and how where'd you
end up that before you retired?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So yeah, well, of course I came in as absolutely
bottom of private and then I retired as a lieutenant colonel.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Okay, And how about some of the missions that you
have been on as well too, and maybe a bit
more about it was like the most you know, the
one mission that really stood out for you?
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Well, now that the classified ones, you know, I can't
really say too much.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
About, uh, but but.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
I I mean I was not like a spy myself,
but I worked in intel.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
And I think one of the some of the most
interesting or.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
Really some of the things that I allude to in
the book, and that is, you know, looking at other
countries to see if they're developing biological agents and quantities
large enough to weaponize.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
And you know, we did other things.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
We followed diseases and whatnot, because if we deploy somewhere,
we want to be able to know if if it's
malaria is there, we want to be able to you know,
take the medication from malaria before we get there.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
And things like that. That was an incredibly interesting tour
of duties, that intel duty. And then I did a
lot of other things.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
I worked personnel logistics, just training how to rye give thanks.
But the intel was absolutely one of the most fascinating fields.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
And plus all did some mother work too.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, Bachelor in Psychology, Masters and human resources. And you
also had a postgrad diploma in strategic intelligence from Defense
Intelligent and Intelligence College.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I think that's really interesting school to go to.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
Yes, it was all it's uh it's top secret. The
uh uh not ever classes.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Top secret, but you have to have a top secret
uh clearance with special background investigation excuse me. And actually
I had to go to that college there in order
to work in the intel field, in my particular part
of the intel field. And uh, yes, that was another
very and uh luckily Uncle Sam paid for that. But uh,
(14:51):
that was another very very interesting aspect of my career,
the school leading up to working in Intel.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And plus this also applied to a book as well too.
That in the book with earlier this morning that your
bark on covert investigation as well too, and we talked
about the country's biological agents.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Yeah, there's of course I have to watch, you know.
Speaker 8 (15:19):
When I was beginning to write this book, the one
thing I had to be very very careful about is because.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
I was alluding to things that are quite classified.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
So I had to make sure that everything that I
wrote was not and I can guarantee you anything in
the book is.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Nothing in the book.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
Let us put like that is classified. It's all open source.
So because a lot of.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
People, you know, if you if you write things.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
After you get out of the military in that field,
you have to be cleared. Well, I didn't have to
be clear because it's all fiction and I just made
the book up. But of course the ideas I got
from from reality.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Let's put it like that.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Especially when it comes to being over next to it's
nuts and naviget a landscape filled deceit, secrecy and unforenseen challenges.
It sounds like what's going on in today's government.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
You know, yeah, it's it's so strange because when I
wrote that, I first first I self published the book
and I just sort of put it on sheeft and
do things with it. And then I was encouraged to
to get it published, which I did through Atmosphere UH Press.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
And of course I had no way of knowing what
the situation is today.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
The book just came out in May, but it's sort
of afropos because of what you know now, things that
are happening. You're kind of it's uh, it's a fictitious book,
but I want people when they read it to think, hmm,
I wonder how far off are we from fiction here.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
You know, in the current situation. Not to get too political, but.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Just right exactly, And do you think they'll do you
think the current administration would be accepting of this? Or
if you're a stage during the Trump administration, how would
things be different for you?
Speaker 7 (17:10):
I don't know. Oh.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
I often think though this book maybe would not be
able to be placed in some libraries in Texas.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
I don't I don't know. Uh, you know, you can get.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
It on Amazon and I haven't tried, but I can
tell you there's some counties that would not accept this book.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
M h.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Right exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
And of course you know getting back to book as
well too, that the crucial missions promised is to advance
the general's career.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Does it advance it or was it just a promise?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Or which is just you think that when you know
not give away the book, you think it's just like
just kind of just backed off on it.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
Yeah, I don't want to, like you said, I don't
want to give it away it it's looking really good
for the general for a long way through the book
and he never backs off. But I'll just I'll leave
it at that because I don't really give too much away.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Right exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And of course I just had one more thing with
that don't ask, don't tell policy everything like that. If
you're in charge of the don't ask, don't tell, what
changes would you what changes would you make in the policy?
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Well it was I hate to criticize it too.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
It was not a really good policy, but it was
better than absolutely.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
You know, before ninety four, if you it was against
the law to be gay in the military for everybody.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Okay, so people are being kicked out and investigated. Don't
ask hotel was a stop gap intermediate way of being
able to be in the military, you just couldn't really
be yourself. And then, of course in nineteen ninety four
Obama lifted that and now it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
You can be gay in the.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
Military, no problem. So it was a stopgap major. A
lot of people are very very critical of it. I'm
not that critical of it because I thought, I think
it was a step to getting to where we are today.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And do you think the Yellow Country is also following
suit on that one?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Maybe?
Speaker 8 (19:20):
Of course if we were behind some We were actually
behind several countries that allowed gaye.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
In way before we did. But you know, Mike, that's
an interesting question.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
I wonder if that kind of opened the doors maybe
here in the States for.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Other countries to be you know, more liberal on that.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
I just don't know, Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
And plus also the book as well, too early this morning,
and you know, being about like I said, a group
of high ranking officers, pentagons, some congress who trying to
rid the homes of army who would most likely die
and everything like that, and what else you wanted to
get people from the book or to be aware of.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
You know, I think ten years ago, I wouldn't have
said this, but today I would say I would want
people to other than just hopefully enjoying the book, to
make them think, you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
That many years ago. We were kind of in the
dark ages on.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Gays and lesbions in the military. And more importantly, we
may not be that many years off of going back
to that situation because of the current, you know, political environment.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
That we live in now.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
So I think to make enjoying the book it's fiction,
it's a mystery, but also think, wow, could this happen again?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I started to suspect that right now in the times
we're in, and I think your timing of the.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Book is shows perfect on this one. So more in
the book. Earlier this morning with Daryl Berry.
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Speaker 4 (23:00):
Back on author Darryl Berry up earlier this morning here
on Mike Wader Her Show, and just any final thoughts
about the book earlier this morning?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Well, just uh, it's it's on Amazon.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Uh again, I will say it's it's totally fiction, but
uh uh. And I hope it's a fast page turner.
But I would like people just to kind of after
they read it, think about it and and just uh
just kind of.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Wonder we were there a few years ago.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Hopefully we don't go back there in a few years
from now.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
I think that's what I want to leave with folks.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Okay, And what's your website? And how do people get
a whole of your book?
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (23:47):
You can get a hold of my book on Amazon
and my website, and you're welcome to contact me on
My website is d Barry books dot com. That's d
B E R R Y b o oks dot com.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Okay, all right, we'll certainly check that out as well too.
And we're here with out there Darryl Barry earlier this
morning here on the Mike Winner Show. And just a
few more things. What else can we expecting twenty twenty
five and beyond.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
I'm working actually on well two things.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
There's some folks that are looking at maybe making the
book into a screenplay.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Nice, but that's at the very beginning stages of that.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
And I hope to be involved in that, not that
I would write it, but just but I hope to
be involved in that. And also I'm working on the
second book at the very beginning stages.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
It's another mystery.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
And it's going to deal with a lift or Uber
driver and the characters that he is in contact with
during his.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Drives on a daily basis. But there's gonna be intrigue
involved in it, and you know, mystery and whatnot.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
So those are the two things that are coming on.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I concern the thing a lot of Uber drivers connected
all this, or if an Uber driver pay attention, I
got to say that, Oh you got that right.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Who do you consider biggest influence in your career?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Oh, my gosh, the biggest influence of you know, there's
so many people that I look up to, you.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Know, the the That's a hard that's a good question.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
I never thought of that, because people influenced me, not
only my superiors, the folks over me, but so many
people influence.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Me that work for me that I outranked, but.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Yet were huge influences on me because of their character
and whatnot. So I wouldn't I don't know about any
one person, but I think in the in the military,
Both my superiors and my subordinates were tremendous influences on.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Me certainly indeed as well to very good influences. And
what's the best advice you can give the aim by
at this.
Speaker 11 (26:07):
Point as far as writing a book or in general,
Oh well, if you're if you're looking to write a book,
and so many people ask me about this and oh
my gosh, how can I get started?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
How can I do this?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
How can My simple phrase to them, and it was
told to me which got me write in mind is
just sit down and start writing.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
That's it. Don't don't overthink it, don't just sit down
and start writing.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
And I think that's a great idea too. I think
many of us needed to do that, Darryl, So we
got to do that.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Well.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Here to amazing author Darryl Berry up earlier this morning
here the Mike Waders show. Daryl a very big thank
you time. You've been absolutely fantastic, learned a lot looking
forward having soon, keep stup today, keep in touch, live
ape back on which website? How do people contact you?
Whor can people purchase or check out your book?
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Yes, the Amazon You can get the book on Amazon
and the website is d b E r R y
b o o ks dot com.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
We'll certainly we'll certainly check that out once again. Darryl,
very big, thanks time. You've been absolutely fantastic, looking forward
having soon keeps up today, keep in touch live have
you back.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
We wish all best and Darryl, you definitely have a
great fitch.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Hey you, Oh thanks, thank you very much. It was
a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.
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We'll here are the Amazing Gentleman who's an author and
retired Army officer who served in both the classified and
the officer ranks and lives in north of San Antonio
with the two rescue dogs. He's a bachelor's in Psychology,
Masters in Human Resources, postgrad diploma in Strategic Intelligence from
the Defense Intelligence College and also served during the Don't
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place during that Don't Tell, Don't Tell, Don't Ask, Don't
Tell period. The book is called Earlier This Morning, Live,
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We've got the multi talent Daryl Berry. Daryl, good morning,
got after you, goodaving, Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Thank you, Mike. Nice to see you.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
What's great to have you on board. Darryl S.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Youre an author and retired Army officer. You serve both
in both classified and the officer ranks. You live in
San Antonio with your two rescue dogs. You have a
bachelor's in psychology, Masters in Human Resources, postgrad deployment and
Strategic intelligence from the Defense Intelligence College. You served during
the Don't Ask, Don't Tell period as well too, and
(02:43):
the new book talks about that, which basically it's in
the military or a group of high ranking officers at
the Pentagon and some congressmen trying to rid them in
the army endum most likely die. It's a chilling book
called Earlier This Morning. For getting all that, Darryl tell us,
I first, I.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Started UH well, having.
Speaker 8 (03:05):
Lived through the Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and UH worked
in the intel fiel, specifically biological agents. It it seemed
a good match for me, And actually I love mysteries
and so I've always kind of wanted to write a mystery,
and I thought, you know, I may have the material
(03:26):
here to do one. So, uh, that's that's kind of
where I got started out. I'd write a little bit,
put it away, right, put it away, and finally out
decided about the time I was getting out of the service, Hey,
if you're going to do this, it'll be the time
to do it. So I just sit down and wrote it.
It was It was fun. Hopefully it'll be a page
turner for folks that want to read it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
And and I could see as a page turner as
well too. And what's at one precise moment that simply
influenced you each what you do in the rest of
your career.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
As far as writing the book.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Correct, Yeah, at that one precise moment said I'm something
gonna write, like, oh, occurrence and all that.
Speaker 8 (04:05):
Yes, I think I had to do really with memory
because about the time I was getting out, everything was fresh,
you know. Well, I mean I didn't I didn't get
out until like ninety seven.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
But everything was fresh in my mind.
Speaker 8 (04:20):
And you know, a lot of the locations that I
write about or correct locations, even though it's a fictitious book.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
So I think that was it. You know, it was just.
Speaker 8 (04:32):
I didn't want to lose my memory on some of
the details that I was writing about as I got older,
so I thought that this would be the time to
do it.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
And what are some of the memories that you had
too that you have heavily happened.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Maybe a few can jump out here.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Yeah, Well, as you were saying that, the book is
about a bunch of officers in the Pentagon trying to get
rid of gays and lesbids and this mission comes down
as a top secret mission, very dangerous.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
And they come up with an idea. You know, why
don't we just gather spy on these.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
Gays and lesbians, gathered them together in one spot, train
them and send them on this mission. Hopefully they'll find
out a lot of good information for us. But if
they get sick and die, which they probably will, who cares.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
They're expendable. Well that's the purpose of the book.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
Now, of course it is fiction, but I will say this,
I did experience things like being in a bar, in
a gay bar, and someone you know, not necessarily a friend,
but just somebody that knew I was in the military
coming over to me and saying they're here.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Just they're here, and I know what that means.
Speaker 8 (05:54):
They're either military police or you know, someone that are
looking for people in a bar.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
So I didn't do anything differently.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
I mean, I figured I'm just there drinking, you know
if I but you know the little code words were
used like that, well, I used a little bit of
that type of experience in the book.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Of course, the book goes into much more.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Dramatic, right yeah, just like you know, hey, I like
your coat, which is code for you know, hey get
this guy audi hero or some piece say hey, I
like your hath. It means it's like, you know, potential
suspect whatever.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
It is exactly exactly and that I mean, that's that's known.
That went on for sure. So that part was not
made up.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
And the book actually opens with some very realistic situations,
and then of course it carries on through the whole
process of them being spied on and go on this mission.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And besides, you know, you be in a bar that
you talked about one what are some of the other
you know, events that you had, maybe another one that
just jumped out, which is like close call or you know,
just or like say, hey, this is something you got
to learn from guys, you know, don't time yeah like.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
That, Yeah, uh not necessarily.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Well, I tell you this during Don't Ask DOTEL, which
was about nineteen ninety four through twenty eleven. During that
period of time, you know, the situation was no one
is to ask gay service members if they're gay, and
the gay service members are not to tell. Well, that
being said, that was kind of a stopgap between absolutely
(07:29):
being outlawed and then later on when Obama.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
Came in to being everything goes okay with being gay.
Speaker 8 (07:35):
But anyway, during that period, people were still being kicked out.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
You know, there for some reason they.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
Were found out and a lot of very very talented
people were kicked out of the milder. So that was
another impetus for me to write the book. Now, nothing,
I didn't have any close calls like that, but it's
certainly there were many, many, many fellow service members that
were discharged.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Because that was highly suspected.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Listen, put it like this, said they were gay, you know,
or is it's more like sexual orientation? What would you say,
like like the racial like one in three, one in four,
one in five, one in ten or anything like that.
I don't have asked for percentages, but it sounds like,
you know, there's like a racial like one in three,
one in five. What do you say the racial would be,
I mean, just a bus.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
That's an interesting question, Mike. I've heard all sorts of things.
The United States.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
Military is story basically a cross section of our society.
Not quiet, but basically, And a lot of folks say that, like,
you know, one in ten people are gay or are
by I don't know if that's I think that would
be hard to get those stats, but that seems to
be a thing that goes around a lot. Now for
(08:49):
the military, it's probably the same weight. But you're back then,
you just weren't going to get I mean, nobody was
saying anything, so there was no way to.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
Gather that type of information. But most things that I read,
stats that I read like one in ten, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Yeah, I figure I figure about one.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Intend to be safe something to say one in three,
one in five and one in ten, everything like that.
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micro Inner Show with his book Early this Morning, and
before get back to the book about Earlier this Morning,
how'd you first get involved with the Armed forces?
Speaker 7 (11:39):
I was drafted.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
At the fur if I choice or well, I.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
Was drafted at the very very end of the Vietnam War.
And when I got my draft notice, I thought, wow,
if I'm going to be drafted, I think I want
to be a medic. So I ran down and joined
real quick, because if you joined during that period of time,
you could choose what you wanted. And so I joined.
Sure enough, they trained me for a medic and then
later on an operator room technician, And so that's how
(12:08):
I became an enlisted personnel. Did my three years, didn't
have to go to Vietnam, and then then got out,
finished school and then came back as an officer. But yeah,
the initial part was that draft notice. But for me
it worked out.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
I mean, I enjoyed my time in the military.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And plus you've been an officer. What were some of
the titles that you had as an officer as well too,
being classified? The ranks and were some of the ranks
that you held, and you know, and how where'd you
end up that before you retired?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So yeah, well, of course I came in as absolutely
bottom of private and then I retired as a lieutenant colonel.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Okay, And how about some of the missions that you
have been on as well too, and maybe a bit
more about it was like the most you know, the
one mission that really stood out for you?
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Well, now that the classified ones, you know, I can't
really say too much.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
About, uh, but but.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
I I mean I was not like a spy myself,
but I worked in intel.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
And I think one of the some of the most
interesting or.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
Really some of the things that I allude to in
the book, and that is, you know, looking at other
countries to see if they're developing biological agents and quantities
large enough to weaponize.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
And you know, we did other things.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
We followed diseases and whatnot, because if we deploy somewhere,
we want to be able to know if if it's
malaria is there, we want to be able to you know,
take the medication from malaria before we get there.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
And things like that. That was an incredibly interesting tour
of duties, that intel duty. And then I did a
lot of other things.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
I worked personnel logistics, just training how to rye give thanks.
But the intel was absolutely one of the most fascinating fields.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
And plus all did some mother work too.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah, Bachelor in Psychology, Masters and human resources. And you
also had a postgrad diploma in strategic intelligence from Defense
Intelligent and Intelligence College.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I think that's really interesting school to go to.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
Yes, it was all it's uh it's top secret. The
uh uh not ever classes.
Speaker 8 (14:28):
Top secret, but you have to have a top secret
uh clearance with special background investigation excuse me. And actually
I had to go to that college there in order
to work in the intel field, in my particular part
of the intel field. And uh, yes, that was another
very and uh luckily Uncle Sam paid for that. But uh,
(14:51):
that was another very very interesting aspect of my career,
the school leading up to working in Intel.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And plus this also applied to a book as well too.
That in the book with earlier this morning that your
bark on covert investigation as well too, and we talked
about the country's biological agents.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Yeah, there's of course I have to watch, you know.
Speaker 8 (15:19):
When I was beginning to write this book, the one
thing I had to be very very careful about is because.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
I was alluding to things that are quite classified.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
So I had to make sure that everything that I
wrote was not and I can guarantee you anything in
the book is.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Nothing in the book.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
Let us put like that is classified. It's all open source.
So because a lot of.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
People, you know, if you if you write things.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
After you get out of the military in that field,
you have to be cleared. Well, I didn't have to
be clear because it's all fiction and I just made
the book up. But of course the ideas I got
from from reality.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Let's put it like that.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Especially when it comes to being over next to it's
nuts and naviget a landscape filled deceit, secrecy and unforenseen challenges.
It sounds like what's going on in today's government.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
You know, yeah, it's it's so strange because when I
wrote that, I first first I self published the book
and I just sort of put it on sheeft and
do things with it. And then I was encouraged to
to get it published, which I did through Atmosphere UH Press.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
And of course I had no way of knowing what
the situation is today.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
The book just came out in May, but it's sort
of afropos because of what you know now, things that
are happening. You're kind of it's uh, it's a fictitious book,
but I want people when they read it to think, hmm,
I wonder how far off are we from fiction here.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
You know, in the current situation. Not to get too political, but.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Just right exactly, And do you think they'll do you
think the current administration would be accepting of this? Or
if you're a stage during the Trump administration, how would
things be different for you?
Speaker 7 (17:10):
I don't know. Oh.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
I often think though this book maybe would not be
able to be placed in some libraries in Texas.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
I don't I don't know. Uh, you know, you can get.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
It on Amazon and I haven't tried, but I can
tell you there's some counties that would not accept this book.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
M h.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Right exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
And of course you know getting back to book as
well too, that the crucial missions promised is to advance
the general's career.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Does it advance it or was it just a promise?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Or which is just you think that when you know
not give away the book, you think it's just like
just kind of just backed off on it.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
Yeah, I don't want to, like you said, I don't
want to give it away it it's looking really good
for the general for a long way through the book
and he never backs off. But I'll just I'll leave
it at that because I don't really give too much away.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Right exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And of course I just had one more thing with
that don't ask, don't tell policy everything like that. If
you're in charge of the don't ask, don't tell, what
changes would you what changes would you make in the policy?
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Well it was I hate to criticize it too.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
It was not a really good policy, but it was
better than absolutely.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
You know, before ninety four, if you it was against
the law to be gay in the military for everybody.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Okay, so people are being kicked out and investigated. Don't
ask hotel was a stop gap intermediate way of being
able to be in the military, you just couldn't really
be yourself. And then, of course in nineteen ninety four
Obama lifted that and now it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
You can be gay in the.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
Military, no problem. So it was a stopgap major. A
lot of people are very very critical of it. I'm
not that critical of it because I thought, I think
it was a step to getting to where we are today.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And do you think the Yellow Country is also following
suit on that one?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Maybe?
Speaker 8 (19:20):
Of course if we were behind some We were actually
behind several countries that allowed gaye.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
In way before we did. But you know, Mike, that's
an interesting question.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
I wonder if that kind of opened the doors maybe
here in the States for.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Other countries to be you know, more liberal on that.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
I just don't know, Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
And plus also the book as well, too early this morning,
and you know, being about like I said, a group
of high ranking officers, pentagons, some congress who trying to
rid the homes of army who would most likely die
and everything like that, and what else you wanted to
get people from the book or to be aware of.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
You know, I think ten years ago, I wouldn't have
said this, but today I would say I would want
people to other than just hopefully enjoying the book, to
make them think, you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
That many years ago. We were kind of in the
dark ages on.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Gays and lesbions in the military. And more importantly, we
may not be that many years off of going back
to that situation because of the current, you know, political environment.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
That we live in now.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
So I think to make enjoying the book it's fiction,
it's a mystery, but also think, wow, could this happen again?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I started to suspect that right now in the times
we're in, and I think your timing of the.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Book is shows perfect on this one. So more in
the book. Earlier this morning with Daryl Berry.
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I have his book right here, and it's based on real.
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Speaker 4 (23:00):
Back on author Darryl Berry up earlier this morning here
on Mike Wader Her Show, and just any final thoughts
about the book earlier this morning?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Well, just uh, it's it's on Amazon.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Uh again, I will say it's it's totally fiction, but
uh uh. And I hope it's a fast page turner.
But I would like people just to kind of after
they read it, think about it and and just uh
just kind of.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Wonder we were there a few years ago.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Hopefully we don't go back there in a few years
from now.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
I think that's what I want to leave with folks.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Okay, And what's your website? And how do people get
a whole of your book?
Speaker 7 (23:47):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (23:47):
You can get a hold of my book on Amazon
and my website, and you're welcome to contact me on
My website is d Barry books dot com. That's d
B E R R Y b o oks dot com.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Okay, all right, we'll certainly check that out as well too.
And we're here with out there Darryl Barry earlier this
morning here on the Mike Winner Show. And just a
few more things. What else can we expecting twenty twenty
five and beyond.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
I'm working actually on well two things.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
There's some folks that are looking at maybe making the
book into a screenplay.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Nice, but that's at the very beginning stages of that.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
And I hope to be involved in that, not that
I would write it, but just but I hope to
be involved in that. And also I'm working on the
second book at the very beginning stages.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
It's another mystery.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
And it's going to deal with a lift or Uber
driver and the characters that he is in contact with
during his.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Drives on a daily basis. But there's gonna be intrigue
involved in it, and you know, mystery and whatnot.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
So those are the two things that are coming on.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I concern the thing a lot of Uber drivers connected
all this, or if an Uber driver pay attention, I
got to say that, Oh you got that right.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Who do you consider biggest influence in your career?
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Oh, my gosh, the biggest influence of you know, there's
so many people that I look up to, you.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
Know, the the That's a hard that's a good question.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
I never thought of that, because people influenced me, not
only my superiors, the folks over me, but so many
people influence.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Me that work for me that I outranked, but.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Yet were huge influences on me because of their character
and whatnot. So I wouldn't I don't know about any
one person, but I think in the in the military,
Both my superiors and my subordinates were tremendous influences on.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Me certainly indeed as well to very good influences. And
what's the best advice you can give the aim by
at this.
Speaker 11 (26:07):
Point as far as writing a book or in general,
Oh well, if you're if you're looking to write a book,
and so many people ask me about this and oh
my gosh, how can I get started?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
How can I do this?
Speaker 8 (26:21):
How can My simple phrase to them, and it was
told to me which got me write in mind is
just sit down and start writing.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
That's it. Don't don't overthink it, don't just sit down
and start writing.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
And I think that's a great idea too. I think
many of us needed to do that, Darryl, So we
got to do that.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Well.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Here to amazing author Darryl Berry up earlier this morning
here the Mike Waders show. Daryl a very big thank
you time. You've been absolutely fantastic, learned a lot looking
forward having soon, keep stup today, keep in touch, live
ape back on which website? How do people contact you?
Whor can people purchase or check out your book?
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Yes, the Amazon You can get the book on Amazon
and the website is d b E r R y
b o o ks dot com.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
We'll certainly we'll certainly check that out once again. Darryl,
very big, thanks time. You've been absolutely fantastic, looking forward
having soon keeps up today, keep in touch live have
you back.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
We wish all best and Darryl, you definitely have a
great fitch.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Hey you, Oh thanks, thank you very much. It was
a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.
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Hey, very Dana here, American news anchor. Hey, let me
ask you something real quick. Why do you read a book?
You're buying a story, a thought, a message, and a
good book entertains and inspires. And that's exactly what a
Missing By Award winning author of me on the Zia does.
Speaker 10 (28:16):
I have his book right here, and it's based.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
On real events with relatable characters that hook you from
start to finish.
Speaker 10 (28:23):
I personally love this book.
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It's super powerful and meaningful through You can actually get
it on Amazon right now.
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through the songs he wrote. His time as a shepherd
in the field is where the book starts, and it
goes on to describe his complicated and turbulent relationship with
King Saul, as well as other events. It's a story
(28:51):
of love, betrayal, repentance, and more. It also offers advice
and approaching God and living a life that pleases him.
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