May 15, 2026 • 47 mins
Andy Muir talks to Eric Roy, Laurie Patterson, Cody Patterson, Chris Dillon and David Latta.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
A very good morning and welcome into the Best of
the Muster, a collaboration of interviews that took our attention
during another busy week here in Hockenu e HQ. My
name's Andy Muer, Thanks for your company. We're starting off
the Alboy catching up with Eric Roy, former MP, who's
taking a look at politics around the world and a
few surprises regarding by elections saka starmer over in the
(00:27):
UK and a spot of bother at the moment, and
Eric just puts it into context and also we asked
the question to Eric, is this the end of personality politics?
Larry Patterson at Groundswound, New Zealand co founder is on
the program, but more or less today talking about the
bull selling sex sale season that's coming up. Of course
he is way Kaka Genetics, part of Why Kaka Genetics,
(00:48):
and we're just talking ahead of the bull saler in
a couple of weeks. Cody Patterson of Open Country talks
about the dairying season or the milk flow season. I
suppose it'll be a bit of terminal around it coming
towards an end. Cody says, yes, there are challenges, but
a lot of positives within the sector as well. Christallan,
President of South con Federated Farmers. He retook the job
(01:10):
off Jason Herrick in the last couple of weeks actually,
and we asked Chris why go back into the role.
And finally David Letter Otago Rugby legend now he is
vice president of New Zealand Rugby and we asked David,
why put yourself forward and to put your seventy inferno
and such. So, without further ado, we'll start the yow
and next with Eric Roy. This is the best of
(01:32):
the muster. Welcome back to the muster. We're catching out
for Eric Croy now to talk about politics, and there's
certainly been in a lot of it happening over the
past seven to fourteen days. Eric, such an evolving news cycle.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, weave at Wendrey. We've had a
good run. So let's look forward to getting the window
and the way I suppose are.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You winter mode up there properly in the fieldman basin.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Not yet. We're emotionally getting ourselves condition, but I just
shit my manor shifts of lakes. We've got a bit
of grass. It's going to be a long winter if
you start too soon, So we're just cut a few
petdics in half and working your way around for another
three or four weeks and then we'll be ready to go.
(02:25):
But winder crops are pretty late anyway because of the
whole spring thing set me back. So having the grass
to give them another month will be that'll be good work.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Erica Pole came out this morning on the Herald site
regarding what they call it the new in is it
heroll pole of Poles based on what they've we've seen
over the last while, and it's morally a syndicating that
this coalition government will be returned on stronger numbers, just
to change in parties and what percent of the vote
they're going to receipt.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I saw that, and I think it's probably a
reason for the accurate, accurate reflection. And that's what we're
seeing a bit of mischievous behavior by one of the
coalition partners, just jocking for a bit more action and
then to make themselves a bigger part of that coalition
so they'll have more, say, I guess.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
So, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's just interesting what's happening around the world. There's a
shift just about in every country in the world from
where they are, so to actually have that kind of
locked in that New Zealand's probably not going to change
in direction, but change more in proportionality within the direction
is an interesting aberigration as far as the rest of
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the world is concerned.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, when some Peters is merely being with some Peiters
and did I Shane James at the moment though, I
mean as part and parcel of the run up to election.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yet I think everybody is aware of that, and the
coalition has been relatively stable. I mean years of a
coalition was sort of forced when the first one New
Zealand first came in.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
A Munston walked and the majority was a woman called
Alamin Kopho from whatever would the Alliance group.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I think she was or something then and it was
my job to manage her. So it's nothing new to
have a bit of instability in there.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Regarding Christopher Luxon no longer going onto breakfast television with
TV in Z, do you think this is a faux
part on his behalf, merely a case of enough is enough?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, I can understand where he's actually got to just
with TV in Z and whether it tried her ong
time or tell that. Look. A fortnight ago the number
one story in town was the FTA with India, and
that night I went to watch the news to see
how they present that because there's a few anties. There
(04:57):
was nothing on where there be five minutes on the
two fighters, such as some sort of music man down
to Washington, and then they flicked in Vietnam and getting.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Root canals and crowns done on your teeth.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And not a not a message. So I can see
why he is a bit frustrated.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
My only fenced chairman of the port board and one
occasion in the Welfare Code came out they are kee
executive offered to fight.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
A Wellington and me or wherever he had to be
and we'll do it. So we caught him off his phone,
edited that now under twenty two seconds and then had
some animal rights people four minutes in the studio and
when they finished the interview of Wendy Pp said, well,
I can see you've got a very strong case. It
just their ability to give balanced news as something that
(05:50):
will flip.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, I'm as frustrated as the Prime Minister as because
I think all we want is if he a suck
at the SEV and get complete picture, and so I
can understand this fruscation whether it's.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The right call or not. Tomal Talent, I think he's
just had enough.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I'm surprised, Derek. I thought of men of your worldly
travels and the likes should be well aware of Dave
Grohl and the Foo Fighters.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well I know who they are.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's not my regular listening petnam or into Selene Dion
And yeah, anyway, Julie.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Noted for next time, sir. But it's an interesting you
talk about in Australia one nation winning a lower House
seat and the fairer by election and doing it convincingly,
and before UK surging in the local elections last week,
have we seen the end of personality politics?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Who knows where it's all going. It's just the whole
thing has kind of changed how people.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Get their information and the algorithms feeding people's stuff. And
that's why I think we need really balanced news to
equate into what is the reality of the situation. And
I don't think we're actually getting there now.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Nationals come out making noises over the past couple of
days merely because once again Withston Peters has forced their
hand regarding changing the age. Regarding superannuation, the baby Boomers
certainly are the golden generation. They're going seems as though
they're going to be the last generation to being told
of this, of this payment of sixty five.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, I don't know where that's going to break, because I.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Think this is one of those areas where there needs
to be cross body agreement and certainly.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
National and I'm going to get it over the line
without Winston. But look, I think there is an overall
change and how we need to fund things.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Having a general handout in a lot of places is
something that we can't afford anymore. And I think you've
seen or heard in the last few days a shift
about the fees free in the third year.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Let's target this to where it's really needed. And I
think that's the approach that we need to come to.
But if there's going to be changes and superannuation, they
need to need to be well time so that people
have got both time and incentive to look out for
themselves if they're not going to be getting the general
(08:21):
handout from the government in retirement years. And the other
complication is that you can't expect something like someone that is.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
A book layer or a sharer to work as long
as someone that might be an accountant or a lawyer
or have a desk job, and.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Those things need to be accommodated in there as well.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We need to be able to afford these kind of things.
I suppose, Eric, because another thing that's on the table
is Zach proposing a work vis a levy, and of
the arguments there you'll see this in the Fjordland basin.
We need levies for Milford Sound in areas like this
and lack infrastructure.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Well, yes, and I probably support their on recently well
traveled in someplace like in America, you just have to
pay to go into most national parks and so I
don't think there'd be a hiccup in anyway with tourism
if you do that, and that's.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Where it triuld be targeted.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
They're not with residents of New Zealand, and I think
that's something that's pretty well accepted around the world.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Now I got into the American beef industry. You sunny
that you want to bring out with Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Oh, I've got a mate and Wyoming from a young
family aids. I was talking to him last week and
I said, what's these numbers? Of the lowest have ever
been in the States. And I said, there's a lot
of things going on. He said, succession and a lot
of young fellows don't want to go family across their
high and you know, we've just got issues with lend
(09:47):
use change. These are the big thing going on at
the moment is the Midwest. It's just so dry. He said,
we didn't have any snow in the winter and we
need that for irrigation. And he said, there's just dramatic
stock number is going to have to be sorted. He said, Nevada,
there's a million here the capital stock cattle gonna have
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to be killed. He's Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Colorado are
all deeply affected. And he just said the numbers are
just horrendous as to how they're going to have to
stop with the dry that's been going on now for
over a year. And he said, clim it's a big impact.
(10:27):
And what's happening to the numbers.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Is he a fan of President Trump? Given he's rural America.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
He's somewhere right to Trump. We don't talk about that now.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
When the last election was shaping up between a deal
between Biden and Trump, before Kamala, come along.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'd see that when.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They look, it's pretty clear they're electing the president of
the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's too important to leave to Americans. And he hung
up on me.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well, sometimes silence can me go to the erk TROI
thanks to your time as always, good run June.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
The Browns and said cheer prayer for me. She threw
arms around him, whispered God will keep us free.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
Good thing I didn't have false teeth that night and
I was singing. I probably would have blame them out
on the floor. I had too much to drink by
that stage.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Quite possibly the greatest intro to an interview you'll have
on Hakanui. Laurie Patterson wakakapold here is coming in for
a yarn with his karaoke song Seven Spanish Angels by
Ray Charles and Willie Nelson. Good afternoon.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Yeah, I got a andy hair going. I'd have to say.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
When I did sing that song at the ballsale, I
think there was quite a bit of if it went
in and probably not too much music. But yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Well, Bryce Mackenzie when he sent the video through, thought
it was outstanding.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
Yeah, he had probably been drinking far too much by
that stage I think would be his problem. But yeah, hey,
look good to be able to sponsor the calf sale
report this year because calves have been selling particularly well
and and that's all good for the industry, and it
looks like it's going to be good out there for
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you know, the next few years. Really it's always a
dangerous thing to say that in the in the agricultural industry,
of course, but yeah, just the way things are looking
in the States and that I think beef is going
to be very good. So good for cow producers to
be getting some money in their pocket.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Anyway, Well, those returns from the car sales you put
the nail on the head, actually outstanding.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
Yeah, they were outstanding, and and you know that's it
looks like the guys, you know, it's got everyone's got
to make some money through the chain, that's the thing.
And even though they were outstanding for the for the
cow calf producer, the certainly the finishers are looking good
to make a good money out of it as well.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So a lot of positivity regarding the red meat sector,
would you say.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Yeah, I think so, because also lamb's good as well.
And dare I even say at wool has also picked
up so and looking at it. If you know, if
there are trouble with your fuel costs and also fertilizer
and a lot of that grain country doesn't get planted out,
well that's probably good for the whole sector as well.
(13:30):
Might even give a New Zealand grain producers a bit
of a lift, So that would be good.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Well, we had this interview last year. I asked you
how the bulls are and you said, the beautiful bulls
are outstanding bulls. How are they this year, lurie?
Speaker 8 (13:44):
How can I your top that? How can I beat that?
I'll say super outstanding perhaps, But they are looking good
and it's been a good autumn actually for you know,
for lambs and cattle. Actually they've come on well, so
that's all pretty good. And yeah, so on the twenty
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eighth Thursday, the twenty eighth of this month, at two o'clock,
we've got the Wakaka bullsales nineteen polled Hereford bulls there
and also three damn good horned Hereford bulls there for
the purists as well. And you know, when you're actually
in a breeding situation, you spend a lot of time
thinking about here can improve things and we've certainly been
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taking a lot of interest over the years, of course,
and things like fertility. And this year we pregnancy scanned
the cows and we had three dry out or two hundred,
which was good. But even better than that, the fifty
five first carving heifers that to come up to get
in calf again and the whole lot we're in calf,
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and that actually means that then we're able to sail
about forty two in calve cows up to the top
of the South Island. And you know that's just those
little efficiencies. You keep getting paid well for it, and
that means that we'll be able to pay some debt
off in which we possibly need to do. The way
the world's looking at the moment.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So what have you done differently with the cattle compared
to other years or nothing. You just got to you've
got to proven formula. You just stick to it.
Speaker 8 (15:16):
Just keep plugging away at it, really and making sure
that we use good bulls that have got the carving
ease things all good, and also with growth and yeah,
you know, those those bulls are out there and we've
certainly been using some at home and so it works.
We've also actually done the thing that everybody else does nowadays.
(15:39):
We put hold on about two three months ago, and
that's going to be very interesting. We're already thinking, you know,
we haven't got a real high hell block or anything,
but getting efficiency maybe in what seems to be doing
at the moment and actually sort of taking you know,
not such good course food off the top of paddocks
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so we can actually use them for sheep and being
able to do it if you've fhini shtill to go
and keep an eye and of course and make sure
this's water and the water trough and a few things
like that. But that's actually just another thing of using
getting more efficient about what we do now.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I had you, mate Bryce McKenzie on the show the
other day. There's plenty going on in local body politics,
of course. One of the co founders of Groundswell, what's
your focus at the moment from your perspective of suppose
could be Debrice.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Well, we're of course taking the Gore Council to court.
We've appealed the decision in their plan and that means
that we've appealed it against all of section six, which
is the one that does SNA's which is significant natural areas,
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a significant natural features, significant natural landscapes, you name it,
sits and are is significant to marry, which you've now changed,
of course to not cultural values. And it also does
a thing called called adverse events, and that's really going
to affect Gore because what's happened is in the new
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plan that's changed from having to be ready for in
one hundred year flood having to be ready for a
one and two hundred year flood. So that means that
seventy nine streets in Gore, including the main street, are
all now on a flood zone. And the only way
to get around that, of course, is you have to
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lift the foundations of the house or whatever you're doing
a minimum of one point five meters and up hocking
we drive. I think it's two point eight meters. And
so for local builders this is an absolute nightmare and
they can't get any consents through because the council, for
some reason or other, seems to have moved onto the
new system, even though the old irma is still in
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play until we get through the court process. And this
is going to could mean a lot for people in
those areas, insurance wise and also property value wise. Because
when you're going to buy someone's house there and you
flick up the thing to find out about it, find
out it's in a flood zone, you might think twice
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about it. Now, we're not saying, of course, that you
don't need a few rules about things. If you've got
water takes or something like that, or we're going to
discharge effluent or something, of course you need rules about that.
But what we've got is the whole Section Sex thing
is just rules about everything. And you know, people look
after their properties, whether they are in town or whether
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they are out in the country. They don't want the
properties to deteriorate, and in most cases they want to
be able to hand them mine or sell them in
a better condition they brought them. So we just seem
to be we've created a huge bureaucratic monster. So we're
going to court on anyway, which will mean we'll have
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mediation session first. And there's another thing. I thought that
would mean that we'd sit down with the counselors and
talk things through, but no, no, no, it has to be
lawyers from the council and maybe a counsel employee will
be there. I think there'll also be lawyers from Notahu
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or there are nunger There will also be lawyers from
environments south and so all the stuff is just a
lawyer FA Australia. People making money out of it at
everybody's expense. Because the council actually has two sources of incomers.
I can see it. One's borrowing money and one's actually
ratepayer money. So what they need to be doing really,
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I think is looking after their ratepayers because that's where
the money comes from.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, a lot there to entail there, will see how
things far. And due course you've got a very basic voice.
Has anybody ever told you you would have been great
as a voice over on Sale of the Century?
Speaker 8 (19:58):
I think I'll stick to singing it and that might
be better.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, so your bull soldate again?
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Yep, twenty eighth at changing time. That's at two o'clock too.
I think the problem is some of the players and
stays that go all night, they're getting a bit old.
So we used to be four o'clock, but we've come
forward to two o'clock so they can probably get to
bed at a reasonable time. So yep, more than happy
to see people if you want to have a look
at the bulls beforehand, give me a ross ring and
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we can go from there.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Good you, Laurie, good Jed as always, thanks any Cody
Patterson as Milks have played manager of Open Country and
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joins us Cody, Good afternoon. It's been a busy year
as far as dairy farming down here in the South,
although arguably getting a little bit cooler.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Yeah, it is any great to be on. You know,
May is playing its usual game. I think we usually
get two weeks good weather in May and two weeks of.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Bad bad weather, So just which way around it is.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
But yeah, getting to that time when people were starting
to think about drawing off cows, it starts off pretty
gun hoigh at.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
The start of May.
Speaker 10 (21:21):
We're going to go right through the journey and carry on,
and then we get this and then things change.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, the comment was made the other day if you
want to get married in South and make it for
the first weekend of May, because the weather has been
pretty good over the last couple of years.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
Yeah, we've certainly got the duck shooting weekends around the
wrong way. I should have been out fishing, I think.
But I'll tell you what she was. I'd actually call
it economical or not. It might have been expensive for
two ducks I shot over the two days, but I
didn't spend a lot on m that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, it's all about the bigger picture and actually doing
stuff and catching up though. I mean, that's how we
deem duck shooting these days, Cody. Now, as far as
the season, from your guys perspective, how would your raise?
Speaker 10 (22:01):
Oh, look, how season's going strong. And look we've got
a second season with strong milk price, you know, and
the nine seventy I think our May period, our midpoint
is nine seventy. So certainly the twenty four to twenty
six is going to be another strong season.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So that's two in a row.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Milk.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Milk flows have been.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
Very strong on a tag at Southland, I think you
to date with five seemed up, you know, and that's
on the back of some great farming practices, probably some
kind of weather, you know. Everyone just doing a good job,
so I think, And that's crossing internationally as well. You know,
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the white Kadow monuis strong. They've had great things as
well so and I think worldwide milk productions up. But
it just seems like the markets meeting next the demand
of the extra product. They're absorbing it, so and things
are looking really positive.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So you're pretty confident the milk price, supply, the milk
price is going to stay buoyant, hitting it the next season.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, everything indicates that.
Speaker 10 (23:07):
I mean, we we are just getting used to certainly
being the norm now with everything's going on around the world.
But there's lore to the around of supply meetings. There's
no points stressing about their stuff. We can't control any
of it. We can only control what we're doing on
the ground. But yeah, no, things seem to be positive
and they're norm indicated that another strong season next season.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, especially for you guys here an open country, I
mean the season of infrastructure, you could arguably call it.
With the acquisition of Morocca at North Amatera Velly Milk.
Speaker 10 (23:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, look, yeah, we we up the production
a bit there. We bought a couple of factories, but yeah,
certainly they've both been great, great assets the head open country,
I mean, Moracca were luckily we bought a full factory
up there. In the team that's gone up there have
certainly got that factory performing and running very very well.
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Likewise down here in Tara Velly, I think we talked
about it there around the supply meetings. You know, how
privileged we are to have a factory of that quality.
I mean it is a folk world class processing facility,
and I mean our team talks about it as a Ferrari.
Have've even got the twintered horse pipes on the roofs
so and with the capability of way protein there, it
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makes it quite exciting for us what we can do
and what they're demander, you know worldwide at the moment
sort of nutrie and dense food and high protein.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
So, yeah, the.
Speaker 10 (24:40):
The birth and the outtake of the weight loss drugs
and our aging population. Everyone's wanting, you know, nutrient deep
Given this is.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Good, you might need to change in analogy around the
ferraris being of V eight.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
Maybe eight yeah, yeah, right, if a flat a turbo
and just get it gather a bit more to But no, look,
lots of they that acquisition of Materia Valley and its farmers,
you know, the great supply based there, passionate farmers. Well,
we're lucky to have both those things, you know, and
as part of the open country family. So and actually
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we're we're planning on a bit more inflation company.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
But we've got to do an open.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
Devia in August for our farmers, isn't it, which is
obviously organized with something up north and down the middle
of August, but we'll roll with it.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, as far as the supply and meeting, so we
were what was the feeling amongst the people who attended.
Speaker 10 (25:35):
Again, and we had just record tendance numbers. Venues were
getting pretty full. But hey, look the whole thing across
was positivity. I think Mark devil Tore sort of talked about,
you know, the uncertainties of the world. I mean, the
Hamu's straight. We keep hearing about that.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
In the news. Look, there's not a lot of milk
that goes in there, but.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Were our sales team out, you know, just getting product out.
We're just trying to get away. Our product moved as
quick as possibly so we don't get congestions in the ports.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Is a bit of a pie product.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
But even the stuff under the UAE, we'd organized a
port outside of the strait of the mask and they
were happy to truck the product across land. So we
haven't had any.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Any troubles moving our product.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
Around as such. So so I think, yeah, so there's
prime meatings went well, just a little fact on that.
You know, our farmers have happily purchased twenty five ton
of cheese at this round the meetings and five ton
of our new butter, which is going down a lot
better than their American stuff that's on some of the
supermarkets at the moment streaks above that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
So no, it's great, some serious figures there. And let's
be honest, if the twenty twenties have told us anything
or taught us anything, Cody, it's two things, epidemiology and
the humus straight.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, certainly know before that. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
So look, hey, we're just like I say that the
world wide demanding out there is strong. Hey, we we
keep growing your market supply. Our butter factory in water
Rower can't pump out those. I think it's somebody to
Troy in the but two hundred and twenty seven grand
blocks or Copgo in America. That's by printing money. It
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just keeps put me out there quick. But I think
we're going to be putting in an extra proceasing part
to try and double that just to meet their demand.
So and again it's on the deck of the great
product that the farmers are supporting ass and you know
that that rich yellow grass color just that's what in America.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well, I'm more than happy to be a guinea pig
on that one. But you weren't coming on real estate
down here in the South as well.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, well, hey, the bloody great year to be a real.
Speaker 10 (27:51):
Estate agentcy that one, look has been I couldn't see
him and the fans have been on the market and
sold and selling strong. It certainly, I'm sure it's one
for the record books. But hey, look it's been a
great opportunity for us as well.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
You know.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
On on the back of that, we've we've signed a
lot of new farms in the region, especially ATTAGRACYLSM that
to cost the Taranaki and up north as well. So look,
it's great and what's really encouraging about it is we're
seeing a large number of first time farm owners and
they're one in the Event twenty team, and I think
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they've been recognizing the open countries are great fund for
their business, you know, with the cash flower vantages and
no financial restraints for she is. And look, at the
end of the day, we just want them to farm
and get on with the job. We don't want to
get them on the gate and bother them, but we'll
support them there week ben So and you know we
are the partnership by a choice, and we just give
them another choice. So it's been it's been really really
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great year.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
When I caught up with Britt Hamilton, he was saying
fuel costs at the moment were costing an excess of
thirty thousand dollars per day. Do you say these are.
Speaker 10 (29:00):
Beast Hi's a bit, but they're still there. And I mean,
I guess we fortunate that this pressures come on at
the towards the university is in an not take it
would probably be hurt a bit more than but yeah,
look that it's just gonna be an ongoing thing. Uh,
I'll be great if you could tell me anyway we'll
get back to pice as we were before. But we're
(29:22):
just going to deal with that. But but then it
comes as that efficiency, so like, well we're asking farmers
and alf and a cross then and if they can
give it, give us for the ideas. Now that's we're
just lately. I draw it off because I think a
last and we wanted to be doing is running on
tracky out to a silo and just wait and the
day also, you know, we just that for that and
(29:44):
you we'll just keep it as a fisherman streamline as
we can.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But yeah, Cody, pat Us and Milk supplied manager with
Open Country. Always a pleasure to catch up.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Thanks any great talking mat.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Welcome back to the muster, Chris Dillan Federated Farmer's President
for Southland as of the AGM that was held a
couple of weeks ago. A few changes of Jason Herrick
putting his name forward in the political landscape. Chris, welcome
back to the muster. And first and congratulations going back
into the fire.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
Yeah, thank you Andy.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
What was the catalyst for it?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
There's a few things.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Yeah, quite a bit happening in the province still and
we need to remain on top of a lot of
this stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
When you say a lot of this stuff, I mean
first and forefront to mind, I d say you're talking
counsel amalgamations, which you guys have been on hot under
the collar about, are YEA.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
That's definitely definitely part of it. We've been given a
unique opportunity here to shape the future of local government
right across the country. Obviously, but definitely down here doesn't
work down here, and we've been given an opportunity to
come up with something that's going to be slightly better.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
It's going to be slightly better, but is it going
to be the silver bullet that souls things.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
We've got a lot to work through. You've down to
this with a bit of an open mind.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
There is.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
A lot of unitary councils already across the country that
are very successful. They put the environmental stuff and the
district council stuff under one roof and you remove a
lot of dupretation and you gain from what I can see.
(31:45):
So yeah, on those two things, a lane.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
On more for it environment Southland. You guys have had
a well documented issues with the organization over the years,
a change of leadership there, jeremyment fail. Now what changes
have you seen with the relationship?
Speaker 9 (32:01):
Not very many changes there at all. Obviously they're probably
put out with what's been proposed and forward, but they're
probably the catalyst for what's been proposed because they're just
so an efficient and what they do they can't send
to achieve the outcomes of the community wants. And so yeah,
let's look at a better way of doing this.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
So your biggest concern with yes is that it's not
efficient for what they cost.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Oh definitely, there's way too many stuff in there. And
to get anything done, you get a report on a
report and knowing will make a decision. The case in
point is the gravel build ups under the bridges. The
bridges are community as yet and they're very costly to
replace if you have to replace one. What we saw
in the last few years is an environment council that
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says the bridges and their problem and it's district council's problem.
And you get the district council saying we can't do
anything in the river because it's the regional council's follow
So nothing happens in the whole community gets to put
at risk with both being under one roots, the raiding
engineers should be able to talk to the river's manager
and those problems should be sorted instantly. They've started a
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project and they've had themselves on the back for how
much money it's getting thrown. And they've got to remember
that council money is right payers money and government assisted
money has also come from the taxpayers. In New Zealand,
it's not government money, and a lot of these issues
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speaking around the door could have been faxed a lot
earlier before they got as bad as they did, and
for a lot less a lot less money. So if
we can get some efficiencies in there for the province
is a lot better going forward.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So for three months they've given all the get the
councils to get things in line. I mean that's just
the start of the process. So this could take quite
a while when you think about.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
It, Yes, this will be I doubt anything will be
implicated till the local body elections twenty twenty eight. We've
been given an opportunity here to come up with what
would best suit the province and South is a little
unique in the fact that the Poor already has been
rolling on this one. The Local Government Commission has been
(34:24):
has been working on this as well. I'm not sure
with this latest announcement where it leaves the air outcome,
but we'll find that out in the next few weeks hopefully.
But I just encourage you we want to get to
get involved in the process. A survey from the from
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the Chamber of Commerce said that eighty percent of people
are not happy with the current structure, so that that's
telling a lot and the other twenty percent probably aren't
aware of what's actually going on.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Now, Like I say, you've taken over the role from
Jason Hererick, are you going to what are you going
to do differently to Jason and the role?
Speaker 9 (35:08):
I was going to continue the good work that Jason's
been doing, Probably not going to be so outstanding in
the media. I've got some really good doors that I
can open without running everything through the paper. So yeah,
we'll just keep up the good work, keep the pressure on,
and keep trying to get the best results for this
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problems that we live in.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Interesting you say that, so you think there's more way
of doing things and just going through the media as such.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
The media is one option, but like you've got to
I always like to go to a problem with with
the solution as well. And yep, then there's that stretching
out on the scenes a lot of a lot of times. Yeah,
there's there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Now, of course you're an arable farmer. They're based Lasser
and Northern South and it's been a tight season. We
look at the farm seen on our whole though, and
we yes, we look at the obvious with the situation
with Donald Trump and the Homitz straight But on the
local front, I think people generally don't have to be
pretty content at the moment.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
For the live stock and theory shit do Yeah that
people are very very happy. It just doesn't mean you
rest on your laurels when it comes to comes to
a few of the issues going forward.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, they are able.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
Scene the diesel and the fertilizer. No one expected either
of them to go as as they did, so it's
a challenge going forward. We were lucky BLO that the
harvest got done before the fuel went went up. But
XG is going to be a different story.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Because I had Terry Collins on last week from the
AA who was their fuel spokesman. He was saying the
diesel is going to be there, just going to have
to pay for it. But it sounds as availability he
won't be an issue.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
Yeah, that's that's thing, but it's a good thing. But
it's the fact that this diesel is going to be
factored into the price of what we produce in the
current model. We have no way of passing on these costs.
And there's every ton of grain requires quite a lot
of diesel to produce it, and it requires quite a
lot of dollars and fertilizer, and the fertilizer prices is
(37:15):
jumping considerably at the moment.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I'll throw this one at you, Chris too. Rural connectivity,
you'll know as much as anybody where you're situated. And
a bit of discontent with the three G network being disestablished,
especially after the events of last October. Hopeful that we're
going to finally see a bit of resulte bit of
a change there regarding real connectivity, so we can actually
have standard Internet and sell you sell your connections around
(37:38):
this around the province.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
Yeah, we're hopeful, hopeful for a better system there. It
has got really bad. I'm traveling to a meeting at
the moment and I've had to stop on the side
of the road because I know I will run out
of service half a klimeter up the road. You get
to know the spots that don't work, and it's very
frustrating on the farm to have to have to do
a lot of your business from a certain panic where
(38:04):
you can't just keep your job. So it's something that
we're going to keep pushing for good.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
A connectivity would you say it's got worse over the
past twelve months.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
I'd say it's definitely got worse. And you used to
just run out of service. Now the calls just drop
out or don't even come into you just get a notification,
which is frustrating.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
He certainly is good on your crest. Thanks to your
time as always, and congratulations once again.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Thank you Andy Do because you'll know I'm all of
bad dabas, bad dabas, no chabbl.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I'm all on bad daves, bad dabs, no chabbl. This
is the muster on Hokernoie David letter knowing to a
lot of people is crazy and absolute legend of Otago
rugby in the nineteen nineties and recently has been elevated
up to vice president of the ZR. Of course Aaron Rush,
President and chief executives are Steve Lancasters. So a lot
(38:58):
of changes going afoot there in rugby in New Zealand.
We talk about the all Blacks coach and heap u
stuff going on there as well. But Davids joining us
to give us a bit of an understanding as to
why put his name for David Fresley. Congratulations, Oh thanks
so much gaus. Yeah, the obvious question, why put your
name for it in such a difficult time.
Speaker 11 (39:18):
I sort of got talked talked to you by one
of the board members of Targo behind the board behind
the one of the corporate boxes at halftime, and he
said he would you consider this and if we nominated you?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
And I said, oh, I don't.
Speaker 11 (39:35):
I don't really know much about it, but I have
a look and see what's about. And I've talked to
a lot of people. You know, it's been pretty caught
on the lowdown for quite some time. But talked to
us some good friends and confidence. And then Matt Cooper,
the gooing president, Aaron Rush, he talked to her about
(39:57):
it and the roles and what it meant, so sort
of especially talking yes that that was the important part
was getting getting a few boxes packed and say, oh, yeah,
is this me? I don't know yet, but it probably
is now I'll put my hand up. Yeah, quite excited now.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
So what was What's something you really hope to sink
your teeth into with the role as is such a thing.
Speaker 11 (40:27):
I just think meeting rugby people. You know, it's a
game that's given me so much, and you know, if
I can go and listen to them, and you know,
if I can make one difference in in a club
or you know, a provincial union, or help.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Out in some way, I think I've achieved.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Would you say there's a disconnect between the boardroom and
grass streets level these days? Favor because we talk about
numbers of teams and just getting a squad on the
paddock for a lot of players. Given the change, especially
around the front row scenario, it's certainly you know, a
lot of teams are in a different predicament to what
they used to be.
Speaker 11 (41:06):
Yeah, I think it's the biggest thing we've got. We
got so much competition in there in sports, you know,
you know, basketball, soccer, there's so many sports out there
now that you know, young young kids and single parents
can look at and it's easy. It's not saying rugby
is hard, but it's it's probably the easy way for them. Maybe,
(41:28):
like the basketball side of it, that's indoors. It's smaller numbers,
commitments not as big, you know, and probably shouldn't really
say that either. I think probably any sport is a
big commitment for anybody. But you know, I think we're
just we've got a lot of competition. And as I
mentioned before, we talked about the old DNA of of rugby.
(41:50):
You know, you know, it's not what it used to be.
And and that's the hard part, you know, when you're
seeing clubs struggling along players you know, they get to us,
you know, they get through schools and then they look
at other revenues. You know, they're looking at careers, you know,
picking up a career as a builder or a plumber
(42:11):
or or engineer, whatever it is they take on and
rugby rugby becomes secondary.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, a great point you bring up there. How do
we reinvigorate the DNA with rugby or those days gone?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I think they're still there.
Speaker 9 (42:27):
It's just.
Speaker 11 (42:29):
The numbers the clubs. The clubs are starting to see
get a lot of pressure put on them financially, and
then that's their players too. They they're looking at it
from a financial point of view.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
You know.
Speaker 11 (42:44):
I think when I was younger, we had our kids,
got married later, we had our kids a bit later,
but like young couples now are both working to make
ends meet, trying to get in the housing market, stuff
like that. So there's a lot more going on to
the young ones now.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
We look at the situation around Moana Pacific here, and
it just brings a bigger question. I suppose, how do
super Rugby evolve to stay relevant?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, that is a big question.
Speaker 11 (43:09):
I don't know if I've got the answer to anyone only.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
The big questions on this show. Mate.
Speaker 11 (43:15):
Yeah, you know that there's a lot a lot going
on even you know, like you look at the top level.
You know there's a lot of I'll tell you small
small things, but they can become big things. You know,
how do we keep everyone in the game and what's
their pathways and stuff like that, And you know New
(43:35):
Zealand rugby has got a big role to play in it,
and and solf we I think we have too. You know,
if we can guide or help or influence young ones
today to put a b of boots on or whatever
they do, it's just get out and play sport.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
With the evolution of one in the stadium in christ Church,
are you concerned the full sized bars stadium might not
stay relevant anymore?
Speaker 11 (44:04):
I think, you know, it's like most things that are new.
You know, we just we as a union, I think
we're in a provincial union, you know, we we've just
got to concentrate on what we can do. You know,
it's a fantastic thing what they've done. You know, I
think Hongi it's a it's a wonderful I haven't been
there yet. I went there last year just to have
(44:26):
a look at the construction that you know, we couldn't
get in to have.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
A look as such, but.
Speaker 11 (44:35):
You know that does appel a fantastic stadium and it'll
be multi purpose. It will be you'll be concerts and
what unfortunately thing with us it might be shortcutting us
a weave it. But we just got to concentrate on
what we can do. And you know this is a
band coming or whatever it is. Let's just make sure
we can offer a good experience.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Now we look at the MPC and the targ I've
got the red, pretty cheer. We last spoke to you, actually, David,
towards the end of the rugby season last year. A
lot of positives for a Tiger rugby, but how do
we try and get that success at the NPC level
to correlate through to super rugby.
Speaker 11 (45:14):
I just think a lot of it, you know, you know,
but old fashion, but there's a lot to be said
for a day game, you know, like you know, that's
more looking at crowd wise, but the day games are fantastic,
even under the roof.
Speaker 10 (45:30):
You know, the.
Speaker 11 (45:33):
Great occasions you can take the kids. It's not what
you've got to get home at nine point thirty ten.
You know, country people that are sort of you're traveling
through from central you know, you almost got to stay
the night. You know, it becomes very expensive to do that.
It's just making it affordable for the people to come
and support their team. And you know, and I think
(45:55):
that helps the crowd. You look at what South you know,
the South African crowds, and that you know, obviously day
because the sun shining on them, they're all sitting there
having a cold bear and you know, and and and
enjoying the occasion. And I think that's part of what
we used to have. But you know, things that things
have changed, things evolved.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
You talk about things evolving. Clinton had their weekend in
the sun last weekend. You have a loved clue to
rugby Club though it's all guns happening this weekend as
they celebrate the one fiftieth.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (46:25):
Yeah, there's been a lot of work going. Yeah, We've
been very fortunate to have a really good Jubilee Committee
and they've done outstanding work. You know, we've got a
a lady Devi kas has put her hand up and
really pushed a lot of the stuff and kept us
in line, which has been great. And you know she's
(46:48):
put a book together and she's done that's been outstanding.
And that's this one person that's going beyond you know,
i'd say, you know you're calling you know, So we're
looking forward to it. There's a lot of people come.
I think we're over three hundred blested people coming for
the from the Finite Sunday and polly Bit of Sunday.
Speaker 10 (47:13):
Drag me under.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
David Letter. There are Tigo Rugby Legend wrapping up the
best of the muster. My name's Andy Muir. The podcast
is available on iHeartRadio coincidentally. Otherwise, enjoy the weekend. If
you're playing sport, have a blinder and we'll catch you
Monday right here on Hockanui
A very good morning and welcome into the Best of
the Muster, a collaboration of interviews that took our attention
during another busy week here in Hockenu e HQ. My
name's Andy Muer, Thanks for your company. We're starting off
the Alboy catching up with Eric Roy, former MP, who's
taking a look at politics around the world and a
few surprises regarding by elections saka starmer over in the
(00:27):
UK and a spot of bother at the moment, and
Eric just puts it into context and also we asked
the question to Eric, is this the end of personality politics?
Larry Patterson at Groundswound, New Zealand co founder is on
the program, but more or less today talking about the
bull selling sex sale season that's coming up. Of course
he is way Kaka Genetics, part of Why Kaka Genetics,
(00:48):
and we're just talking ahead of the bull saler in
a couple of weeks. Cody Patterson of Open Country talks
about the dairying season or the milk flow season. I
suppose it'll be a bit of terminal around it coming
towards an end. Cody says, yes, there are challenges, but
a lot of positives within the sector as well. Christallan,
President of South con Federated Farmers. He retook the job
(01:10):
off Jason Herrick in the last couple of weeks actually,
and we asked Chris why go back into the role.
And finally David Letter Otago Rugby legend now he is
vice president of New Zealand Rugby and we asked David,
why put yourself forward and to put your seventy inferno
and such. So, without further ado, we'll start the yow
and next with Eric Roy. This is the best of
(01:32):
the muster. Welcome back to the muster. We're catching out
for Eric Croy now to talk about politics, and there's
certainly been in a lot of it happening over the
past seven to fourteen days. Eric, such an evolving news cycle.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, weave at Wendrey. We've had a
good run. So let's look forward to getting the window
and the way I suppose are.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You winter mode up there properly in the fieldman basin.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Not yet. We're emotionally getting ourselves condition, but I just
shit my manor shifts of lakes. We've got a bit
of grass. It's going to be a long winter if
you start too soon, So we're just cut a few
petdics in half and working your way around for another
three or four weeks and then we'll be ready to go.
(02:25):
But winder crops are pretty late anyway because of the
whole spring thing set me back. So having the grass
to give them another month will be that'll be good work.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Erica Pole came out this morning on the Herald site
regarding what they call it the new in is it
heroll pole of Poles based on what they've we've seen
over the last while, and it's morally a syndicating that
this coalition government will be returned on stronger numbers, just
to change in parties and what percent of the vote
they're going to receipt.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I saw that, and I think it's probably a
reason for the accurate, accurate reflection. And that's what we're
seeing a bit of mischievous behavior by one of the
coalition partners, just jocking for a bit more action and
then to make themselves a bigger part of that coalition
so they'll have more, say, I guess.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
So, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's just interesting what's happening around the world. There's a
shift just about in every country in the world from
where they are, so to actually have that kind of
locked in that New Zealand's probably not going to change
in direction, but change more in proportionality within the direction
is an interesting aberigration as far as the rest of
(03:42):
the world is concerned.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, when some Peters is merely being with some Peiters
and did I Shane James at the moment though, I
mean as part and parcel of the run up to election.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yet I think everybody is aware of that, and the
coalition has been relatively stable. I mean years of a
coalition was sort of forced when the first one New
Zealand first came in.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
A Munston walked and the majority was a woman called
Alamin Kopho from whatever would the Alliance group.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I think she was or something then and it was
my job to manage her. So it's nothing new to
have a bit of instability in there.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Regarding Christopher Luxon no longer going onto breakfast television with
TV in Z, do you think this is a faux
part on his behalf, merely a case of enough is enough?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, I can understand where he's actually got to just
with TV in Z and whether it tried her ong
time or tell that. Look. A fortnight ago the number
one story in town was the FTA with India, and
that night I went to watch the news to see
how they present that because there's a few anties. There
(04:57):
was nothing on where there be five minutes on the
two fighters, such as some sort of music man down
to Washington, and then they flicked in Vietnam and getting.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Root canals and crowns done on your teeth.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And not a not a message. So I can see
why he is a bit frustrated.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
My only fenced chairman of the port board and one
occasion in the Welfare Code came out they are kee
executive offered to fight.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
A Wellington and me or wherever he had to be
and we'll do it. So we caught him off his phone,
edited that now under twenty two seconds and then had
some animal rights people four minutes in the studio and
when they finished the interview of Wendy Pp said, well,
I can see you've got a very strong case. It
just their ability to give balanced news as something that
(05:50):
will flip.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, I'm as frustrated as the Prime Minister as because
I think all we want is if he a suck
at the SEV and get complete picture, and so I
can understand this fruscation whether it's.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The right call or not. Tomal Talent, I think he's
just had enough.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I'm surprised, Derek. I thought of men of your worldly
travels and the likes should be well aware of Dave
Grohl and the Foo Fighters.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well I know who they are.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's not my regular listening petnam or into Selene Dion
And yeah, anyway, Julie.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Noted for next time, sir. But it's an interesting you
talk about in Australia one nation winning a lower House
seat and the fairer by election and doing it convincingly,
and before UK surging in the local elections last week,
have we seen the end of personality politics?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Who knows where it's all going. It's just the whole
thing has kind of changed how people.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Get their information and the algorithms feeding people's stuff. And
that's why I think we need really balanced news to
equate into what is the reality of the situation. And
I don't think we're actually getting there now.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Nationals come out making noises over the past couple of
days merely because once again Withston Peters has forced their
hand regarding changing the age. Regarding superannuation, the baby Boomers
certainly are the golden generation. They're going seems as though
they're going to be the last generation to being told
of this, of this payment of sixty five.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, I don't know where that's going to break, because I.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Think this is one of those areas where there needs
to be cross body agreement and certainly.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
National and I'm going to get it over the line
without Winston. But look, I think there is an overall
change and how we need to fund things.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Having a general handout in a lot of places is
something that we can't afford anymore. And I think you've
seen or heard in the last few days a shift
about the fees free in the third year.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Let's target this to where it's really needed. And I
think that's the approach that we need to come to.
But if there's going to be changes and superannuation, they
need to need to be well time so that people
have got both time and incentive to look out for
themselves if they're not going to be getting the general
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handout from the government in retirement years. And the other
complication is that you can't expect something like someone that is.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
A book layer or a sharer to work as long
as someone that might be an accountant or a lawyer
or have a desk job, and.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Those things need to be accommodated in there as well.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We need to be able to afford these kind of things.
I suppose, Eric, because another thing that's on the table
is Zach proposing a work vis a levy, and of
the arguments there you'll see this in the Fjordland basin.
We need levies for Milford Sound in areas like this
and lack infrastructure.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Well, yes, and I probably support their on recently well
traveled in someplace like in America, you just have to
pay to go into most national parks and so I
don't think there'd be a hiccup in anyway with tourism
if you do that, and that's.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Where it triuld be targeted.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
They're not with residents of New Zealand, and I think
that's something that's pretty well accepted around the world.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Now I got into the American beef industry. You sunny
that you want to bring out with Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Oh, I've got a mate and Wyoming from a young
family aids. I was talking to him last week and
I said, what's these numbers? Of the lowest have ever
been in the States. And I said, there's a lot
of things going on. He said, succession and a lot
of young fellows don't want to go family across their
high and you know, we've just got issues with lend
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use change. These are the big thing going on at
the moment is the Midwest. It's just so dry. He said,
we didn't have any snow in the winter and we
need that for irrigation. And he said, there's just dramatic
stock number is going to have to be sorted. He said, Nevada,
there's a million here the capital stock cattle gonna have
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to be killed. He's Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Colorado are
all deeply affected. And he just said the numbers are
just horrendous as to how they're going to have to
stop with the dry that's been going on now for
over a year. And he said, clim it's a big impact.
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And what's happening to the numbers.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Is he a fan of President Trump? Given he's rural America.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
He's somewhere right to Trump. We don't talk about that now.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
When the last election was shaping up between a deal
between Biden and Trump, before Kamala, come along.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'd see that when.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They look, it's pretty clear they're electing the president of
the United States.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's too important to leave to Americans. And he hung
up on me.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well, sometimes silence can me go to the erk TROI
thanks to your time as always, good run June.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
The Browns and said cheer prayer for me. She threw
arms around him, whispered God will keep us free.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
Good thing I didn't have false teeth that night and
I was singing. I probably would have blame them out
on the floor. I had too much to drink by
that stage.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Quite possibly the greatest intro to an interview you'll have
on Hakanui. Laurie Patterson wakakapold here is coming in for
a yarn with his karaoke song Seven Spanish Angels by
Ray Charles and Willie Nelson. Good afternoon.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Yeah, I got a andy hair going. I'd have to say.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
When I did sing that song at the ballsale, I
think there was quite a bit of if it went
in and probably not too much music. But yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Well, Bryce Mackenzie when he sent the video through, thought
it was outstanding.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
Yeah, he had probably been drinking far too much by
that stage I think would be his problem. But yeah, hey,
look good to be able to sponsor the calf sale
report this year because calves have been selling particularly well
and and that's all good for the industry, and it
looks like it's going to be good out there for
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you know, the next few years. Really it's always a
dangerous thing to say that in the in the agricultural industry,
of course, but yeah, just the way things are looking
in the States and that I think beef is going
to be very good. So good for cow producers to
be getting some money in their pocket.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Anyway, Well, those returns from the car sales you put
the nail on the head, actually outstanding.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
Yeah, they were outstanding, and and you know that's it
looks like the guys, you know, it's got everyone's got
to make some money through the chain, that's the thing.
And even though they were outstanding for the for the
cow calf producer, the certainly the finishers are looking good
to make a good money out of it as well.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So a lot of positivity regarding the red meat sector,
would you say.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Yeah, I think so, because also lamb's good as well.
And dare I even say at wool has also picked
up so and looking at it. If you know, if
there are trouble with your fuel costs and also fertilizer
and a lot of that grain country doesn't get planted out,
well that's probably good for the whole sector as well.
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Might even give a New Zealand grain producers a bit
of a lift, So that would be good.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Well, we had this interview last year. I asked you
how the bulls are and you said, the beautiful bulls
are outstanding bulls. How are they this year, lurie?
Speaker 8 (13:44):
How can I your top that? How can I beat that?
I'll say super outstanding perhaps, But they are looking good
and it's been a good autumn actually for you know,
for lambs and cattle. Actually they've come on well, so
that's all pretty good. And yeah, so on the twenty
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eighth Thursday, the twenty eighth of this month, at two o'clock,
we've got the Wakaka bullsales nineteen polled Hereford bulls there
and also three damn good horned Hereford bulls there for
the purists as well. And you know, when you're actually
in a breeding situation, you spend a lot of time
thinking about here can improve things and we've certainly been
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taking a lot of interest over the years, of course,
and things like fertility. And this year we pregnancy scanned
the cows and we had three dry out or two hundred,
which was good. But even better than that, the fifty
five first carving heifers that to come up to get
in calf again and the whole lot we're in calf,
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and that actually means that then we're able to sail
about forty two in calve cows up to the top
of the South Island. And you know that's just those
little efficiencies. You keep getting paid well for it, and
that means that we'll be able to pay some debt
off in which we possibly need to do. The way
the world's looking at the moment.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So what have you done differently with the cattle compared
to other years or nothing. You just got to you've
got to proven formula. You just stick to it.
Speaker 8 (15:16):
Just keep plugging away at it, really and making sure
that we use good bulls that have got the carving
ease things all good, and also with growth and yeah,
you know, those those bulls are out there and we've
certainly been using some at home and so it works.
We've also actually done the thing that everybody else does nowadays.
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We put hold on about two three months ago, and
that's going to be very interesting. We're already thinking, you know,
we haven't got a real high hell block or anything,
but getting efficiency maybe in what seems to be doing
at the moment and actually sort of taking you know,
not such good course food off the top of paddocks
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so we can actually use them for sheep and being
able to do it if you've fhini shtill to go
and keep an eye and of course and make sure
this's water and the water trough and a few things
like that. But that's actually just another thing of using
getting more efficient about what we do now.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I had you, mate Bryce McKenzie on the show the
other day. There's plenty going on in local body politics,
of course. One of the co founders of Groundswell, what's
your focus at the moment from your perspective of suppose
could be Debrice.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Well, we're of course taking the Gore Council to court.
We've appealed the decision in their plan and that means
that we've appealed it against all of section six, which
is the one that does SNA's which is significant natural areas,
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a significant natural features, significant natural landscapes, you name it,
sits and are is significant to marry, which you've now changed,
of course to not cultural values. And it also does
a thing called called adverse events, and that's really going
to affect Gore because what's happened is in the new
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plan that's changed from having to be ready for in
one hundred year flood having to be ready for a
one and two hundred year flood. So that means that
seventy nine streets in Gore, including the main street, are
all now on a flood zone. And the only way
to get around that, of course, is you have to
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lift the foundations of the house or whatever you're doing
a minimum of one point five meters and up hocking
we drive. I think it's two point eight meters. And
so for local builders this is an absolute nightmare and
they can't get any consents through because the council, for
some reason or other, seems to have moved onto the
new system, even though the old irma is still in
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play until we get through the court process. And this
is going to could mean a lot for people in
those areas, insurance wise and also property value wise. Because
when you're going to buy someone's house there and you
flick up the thing to find out about it, find
out it's in a flood zone, you might think twice
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about it. Now, we're not saying, of course, that you
don't need a few rules about things. If you've got
water takes or something like that, or we're going to
discharge effluent or something, of course you need rules about that.
But what we've got is the whole Section Sex thing
is just rules about everything. And you know, people look
after their properties, whether they are in town or whether
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they are out in the country. They don't want the
properties to deteriorate, and in most cases they want to
be able to hand them mine or sell them in
a better condition they brought them. So we just seem
to be we've created a huge bureaucratic monster. So we're
going to court on anyway, which will mean we'll have
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mediation session first. And there's another thing. I thought that
would mean that we'd sit down with the counselors and
talk things through, but no, no, no, it has to be
lawyers from the council and maybe a counsel employee will
be there. I think there'll also be lawyers from Notahu
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or there are nunger There will also be lawyers from
environments south and so all the stuff is just a
lawyer FA Australia. People making money out of it at
everybody's expense. Because the council actually has two sources of incomers.
I can see it. One's borrowing money and one's actually
ratepayer money. So what they need to be doing really,
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I think is looking after their ratepayers because that's where
the money comes from.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, a lot there to entail there, will see how
things far. And due course you've got a very basic voice.
Has anybody ever told you you would have been great
as a voice over on Sale of the Century?
Speaker 8 (19:58):
I think I'll stick to singing it and that might
be better.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, so your bull soldate again?
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Yep, twenty eighth at changing time. That's at two o'clock too.
I think the problem is some of the players and
stays that go all night, they're getting a bit old.
So we used to be four o'clock, but we've come
forward to two o'clock so they can probably get to
bed at a reasonable time. So yep, more than happy
to see people if you want to have a look
at the bulls beforehand, give me a ross ring and
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we can go from there.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Good you, Laurie, good Jed as always, thanks any Cody
Patterson as Milks have played manager of Open Country and
(20:50):
joins us Cody, Good afternoon. It's been a busy year
as far as dairy farming down here in the South,
although arguably getting a little bit cooler.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Yeah, it is any great to be on. You know,
May is playing its usual game. I think we usually
get two weeks good weather in May and two weeks of.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Bad bad weather, So just which way around it is.
Speaker 10 (21:13):
But yeah, getting to that time when people were starting
to think about drawing off cows, it starts off pretty
gun hoigh at.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
The start of May.
Speaker 10 (21:21):
We're going to go right through the journey and carry on,
and then we get this and then things change.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, the comment was made the other day if you
want to get married in South and make it for
the first weekend of May, because the weather has been
pretty good over the last couple of years.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
Yeah, we've certainly got the duck shooting weekends around the
wrong way. I should have been out fishing, I think.
But I'll tell you what she was. I'd actually call
it economical or not. It might have been expensive for
two ducks I shot over the two days, but I
didn't spend a lot on m that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, it's all about the bigger picture and actually doing
stuff and catching up though. I mean, that's how we
deem duck shooting these days, Cody. Now, as far as
the season, from your guys perspective, how would your raise?
Speaker 10 (22:01):
Oh, look, how season's going strong. And look we've got
a second season with strong milk price, you know, and
the nine seventy I think our May period, our midpoint
is nine seventy. So certainly the twenty four to twenty
six is going to be another strong season.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So that's two in a row.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Milk.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Milk flows have been.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
Very strong on a tag at Southland, I think you
to date with five seemed up, you know, and that's
on the back of some great farming practices, probably some
kind of weather, you know. Everyone just doing a good job,
so I think, And that's crossing internationally as well. You know,
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the white Kadow monuis strong. They've had great things as
well so and I think worldwide milk productions up. But
it just seems like the markets meeting next the demand
of the extra product. They're absorbing it, so and things
are looking really positive.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So you're pretty confident the milk price, supply, the milk
price is going to stay buoyant, hitting it the next season.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, everything indicates that.
Speaker 10 (23:07):
I mean, we we are just getting used to certainly
being the norm now with everything's going on around the world.
But there's lore to the around of supply meetings. There's
no points stressing about their stuff. We can't control any
of it. We can only control what we're doing on
the ground. But yeah, no, things seem to be positive
and they're norm indicated that another strong season next season.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, especially for you guys here an open country, I
mean the season of infrastructure, you could arguably call it.
With the acquisition of Morocca at North Amatera Velly Milk.
Speaker 10 (23:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, look, yeah, we we up the production
a bit there. We bought a couple of factories, but yeah,
certainly they've both been great, great assets the head open country,
I mean, Moracca were luckily we bought a full factory
up there. In the team that's gone up there have
certainly got that factory performing and running very very well.
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Likewise down here in Tara Velly, I think we talked
about it there around the supply meetings. You know, how
privileged we are to have a factory of that quality.
I mean it is a folk world class processing facility,
and I mean our team talks about it as a Ferrari.
Have've even got the twintered horse pipes on the roofs
so and with the capability of way protein there, it
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makes it quite exciting for us what we can do
and what they're demander, you know worldwide at the moment
sort of nutrie and dense food and high protein.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
So, yeah, the.
Speaker 10 (24:40):
The birth and the outtake of the weight loss drugs
and our aging population. Everyone's wanting, you know, nutrient deep
Given this is.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Good, you might need to change in analogy around the
ferraris being of V eight.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
Maybe eight yeah, yeah, right, if a flat a turbo
and just get it gather a bit more to But no, look,
lots of they that acquisition of Materia Valley and its farmers,
you know, the great supply based there, passionate farmers. Well,
we're lucky to have both those things, you know, and
as part of the open country family. So and actually
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we're we're planning on a bit more inflation company.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
But we've got to do an open.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
Devia in August for our farmers, isn't it, which is
obviously organized with something up north and down the middle
of August, but we'll roll with it.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, as far as the supply and meeting, so we
were what was the feeling amongst the people who attended.
Speaker 10 (25:35):
Again, and we had just record tendance numbers. Venues were
getting pretty full. But hey, look the whole thing across
was positivity. I think Mark devil Tore sort of talked about,
you know, the uncertainties of the world. I mean, the
Hamu's straight. We keep hearing about that.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
In the news. Look, there's not a lot of milk
that goes in there, but.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Were our sales team out, you know, just getting product out.
We're just trying to get away. Our product moved as
quick as possibly so we don't get congestions in the ports.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Is a bit of a pie product.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
But even the stuff under the UAE, we'd organized a
port outside of the strait of the mask and they
were happy to truck the product across land. So we
haven't had any.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Any troubles moving our product.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
Around as such. So so I think, yeah, so there's
prime meatings went well, just a little fact on that.
You know, our farmers have happily purchased twenty five ton
of cheese at this round the meetings and five ton
of our new butter, which is going down a lot
better than their American stuff that's on some of the
supermarkets at the moment streaks above that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
So no, it's great, some serious figures there. And let's
be honest, if the twenty twenties have told us anything
or taught us anything, Cody, it's two things, epidemiology and
the humus straight.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, certainly know before that. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
So look, hey, we're just like I say that the
world wide demanding out there is strong. Hey, we we
keep growing your market supply. Our butter factory in water
Rower can't pump out those. I think it's somebody to
Troy in the but two hundred and twenty seven grand
blocks or Copgo in America. That's by printing money. It
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just keeps put me out there quick. But I think
we're going to be putting in an extra proceasing part
to try and double that just to meet their demand.
So and again it's on the deck of the great
product that the farmers are supporting ass and you know
that that rich yellow grass color just that's what in America.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well, I'm more than happy to be a guinea pig
on that one. But you weren't coming on real estate
down here in the South as well.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, well, hey, the bloody great year to be a real.
Speaker 10 (27:51):
Estate agentcy that one, look has been I couldn't see
him and the fans have been on the market and
sold and selling strong. It certainly, I'm sure it's one
for the record books. But hey, look it's been a
great opportunity for us as well.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
You know.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
On on the back of that, we've we've signed a
lot of new farms in the region, especially ATTAGRACYLSM that
to cost the Taranaki and up north as well. So look,
it's great and what's really encouraging about it is we're
seeing a large number of first time farm owners and
they're one in the Event twenty team, and I think
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they've been recognizing the open countries are great fund for
their business, you know, with the cash flower vantages and
no financial restraints for she is. And look, at the
end of the day, we just want them to farm
and get on with the job. We don't want to
get them on the gate and bother them, but we'll
support them there week ben So and you know we
are the partnership by a choice, and we just give
them another choice. So it's been it's been really really
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great year.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
When I caught up with Britt Hamilton, he was saying
fuel costs at the moment were costing an excess of
thirty thousand dollars per day. Do you say these are.
Speaker 10 (29:00):
Beast Hi's a bit, but they're still there. And I mean,
I guess we fortunate that this pressures come on at
the towards the university is in an not take it
would probably be hurt a bit more than but yeah,
look that it's just gonna be an ongoing thing. Uh,
I'll be great if you could tell me anyway we'll
get back to pice as we were before. But we're
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just going to deal with that. But but then it
comes as that efficiency, so like, well we're asking farmers
and alf and a cross then and if they can
give it, give us for the ideas. Now that's we're
just lately. I draw it off because I think a
last and we wanted to be doing is running on
tracky out to a silo and just wait and the
day also, you know, we just that for that and
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you we'll just keep it as a fisherman streamline as
we can.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But yeah, Cody, pat Us and Milk supplied manager with
Open Country. Always a pleasure to catch up.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Thanks any great talking mat.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Welcome back to the muster, Chris Dillan Federated Farmer's President
for Southland as of the AGM that was held a
couple of weeks ago. A few changes of Jason Herrick
putting his name forward in the political landscape. Chris, welcome
back to the muster. And first and congratulations going back
into the fire.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
Yeah, thank you Andy.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
What was the catalyst for it?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
There's a few things.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Yeah, quite a bit happening in the province still and
we need to remain on top of a lot of
this stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
When you say a lot of this stuff, I mean
first and forefront to mind, I d say you're talking
counsel amalgamations, which you guys have been on hot under
the collar about, are YEA.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
That's definitely definitely part of it. We've been given a
unique opportunity here to shape the future of local government
right across the country. Obviously, but definitely down here doesn't
work down here, and we've been given an opportunity to
come up with something that's going to be slightly better.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
It's going to be slightly better, but is it going
to be the silver bullet that souls things.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
We've got a lot to work through. You've down to
this with a bit of an open mind.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
There is.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
A lot of unitary councils already across the country that
are very successful. They put the environmental stuff and the
district council stuff under one roof and you remove a
lot of dupretation and you gain from what I can see.
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So yeah, on those two things, a lane.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
On more for it environment Southland. You guys have had
a well documented issues with the organization over the years,
a change of leadership there, jeremyment fail. Now what changes
have you seen with the relationship?
Speaker 9 (32:01):
Not very many changes there at all. Obviously they're probably
put out with what's been proposed and forward, but they're
probably the catalyst for what's been proposed because they're just
so an efficient and what they do they can't send
to achieve the outcomes of the community wants. And so yeah,
let's look at a better way of doing this.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
So your biggest concern with yes is that it's not
efficient for what they cost.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Oh definitely, there's way too many stuff in there. And
to get anything done, you get a report on a
report and knowing will make a decision. The case in
point is the gravel build ups under the bridges. The
bridges are community as yet and they're very costly to
replace if you have to replace one. What we saw
in the last few years is an environment council that
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says the bridges and their problem and it's district council's problem.
And you get the district council saying we can't do
anything in the river because it's the regional council's follow
So nothing happens in the whole community gets to put
at risk with both being under one roots, the raiding
engineers should be able to talk to the river's manager
and those problems should be sorted instantly. They've started a
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project and they've had themselves on the back for how
much money it's getting thrown. And they've got to remember
that council money is right payers money and government assisted
money has also come from the taxpayers. In New Zealand,
it's not government money, and a lot of these issues
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speaking around the door could have been faxed a lot
earlier before they got as bad as they did, and
for a lot less a lot less money. So if
we can get some efficiencies in there for the province
is a lot better going forward.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So for three months they've given all the get the
councils to get things in line. I mean that's just
the start of the process. So this could take quite
a while when you think about.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
It, Yes, this will be I doubt anything will be
implicated till the local body elections twenty twenty eight. We've
been given an opportunity here to come up with what
would best suit the province and South is a little
unique in the fact that the Poor already has been
rolling on this one. The Local Government Commission has been
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has been working on this as well. I'm not sure
with this latest announcement where it leaves the air outcome,
but we'll find that out in the next few weeks hopefully.
But I just encourage you we want to get to
get involved in the process. A survey from the from
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the Chamber of Commerce said that eighty percent of people
are not happy with the current structure, so that that's
telling a lot and the other twenty percent probably aren't
aware of what's actually going on.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Now, Like I say, you've taken over the role from
Jason Hererick, are you going to what are you going
to do differently to Jason and the role?
Speaker 9 (35:08):
I was going to continue the good work that Jason's
been doing, Probably not going to be so outstanding in
the media. I've got some really good doors that I
can open without running everything through the paper. So yeah,
we'll just keep up the good work, keep the pressure on,
and keep trying to get the best results for this
(35:30):
problems that we live in.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Interesting you say that, so you think there's more way
of doing things and just going through the media as such.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
The media is one option, but like you've got to
I always like to go to a problem with with
the solution as well. And yep, then there's that stretching
out on the scenes a lot of a lot of times. Yeah,
there's there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Now, of course you're an arable farmer. They're based Lasser
and Northern South and it's been a tight season. We
look at the farm seen on our whole though, and
we yes, we look at the obvious with the situation
with Donald Trump and the Homitz straight But on the
local front, I think people generally don't have to be
pretty content at the moment.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
For the live stock and theory shit do Yeah that
people are very very happy. It just doesn't mean you
rest on your laurels when it comes to comes to
a few of the issues going forward.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, they are able.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
Scene the diesel and the fertilizer. No one expected either
of them to go as as they did, so it's
a challenge going forward. We were lucky BLO that the
harvest got done before the fuel went went up. But
XG is going to be a different story.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Because I had Terry Collins on last week from the
AA who was their fuel spokesman. He was saying the
diesel is going to be there, just going to have
to pay for it. But it sounds as availability he
won't be an issue.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
Yeah, that's that's thing, but it's a good thing. But
it's the fact that this diesel is going to be
factored into the price of what we produce in the
current model. We have no way of passing on these costs.
And there's every ton of grain requires quite a lot
of diesel to produce it, and it requires quite a
lot of dollars and fertilizer, and the fertilizer prices is
(37:15):
jumping considerably at the moment.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I'll throw this one at you, Chris too. Rural connectivity,
you'll know as much as anybody where you're situated. And
a bit of discontent with the three G network being disestablished,
especially after the events of last October. Hopeful that we're
going to finally see a bit of resulte bit of
a change there regarding real connectivity, so we can actually
have standard Internet and sell you sell your connections around
(37:38):
this around the province.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
Yeah, we're hopeful, hopeful for a better system there. It
has got really bad. I'm traveling to a meeting at
the moment and I've had to stop on the side
of the road because I know I will run out
of service half a klimeter up the road. You get
to know the spots that don't work, and it's very
frustrating on the farm to have to have to do
a lot of your business from a certain panic where
(38:04):
you can't just keep your job. So it's something that
we're going to keep pushing for good.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
A connectivity would you say it's got worse over the
past twelve months.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
I'd say it's definitely got worse. And you used to
just run out of service. Now the calls just drop
out or don't even come into you just get a notification,
which is frustrating.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
He certainly is good on your crest. Thanks to your
time as always, and congratulations once again.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Thank you Andy Do because you'll know I'm all of
bad dabas, bad dabas, no chabbl.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I'm all on bad daves, bad dabs, no chabbl. This
is the muster on Hokernoie David letter knowing to a
lot of people is crazy and absolute legend of Otago
rugby in the nineteen nineties and recently has been elevated
up to vice president of the ZR. Of course Aaron Rush,
President and chief executives are Steve Lancasters. So a lot
(38:58):
of changes going afoot there in rugby in New Zealand.
We talk about the all Blacks coach and heap u
stuff going on there as well. But Davids joining us
to give us a bit of an understanding as to
why put his name for David Fresley. Congratulations, Oh thanks
so much gaus. Yeah, the obvious question, why put your
name for it in such a difficult time.
Speaker 11 (39:18):
I sort of got talked talked to you by one
of the board members of Targo behind the board behind
the one of the corporate boxes at halftime, and he
said he would you consider this and if we nominated you?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
And I said, oh, I don't.
Speaker 11 (39:35):
I don't really know much about it, but I have
a look and see what's about. And I've talked to
a lot of people. You know, it's been pretty caught
on the lowdown for quite some time. But talked to
us some good friends and confidence. And then Matt Cooper,
the gooing president, Aaron Rush, he talked to her about
(39:57):
it and the roles and what it meant, so sort
of especially talking yes that that was the important part
was getting getting a few boxes packed and say, oh, yeah,
is this me? I don't know yet, but it probably
is now I'll put my hand up. Yeah, quite excited now.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
So what was What's something you really hope to sink
your teeth into with the role as is such a thing.
Speaker 11 (40:27):
I just think meeting rugby people. You know, it's a
game that's given me so much, and you know, if
I can go and listen to them, and you know,
if I can make one difference in in a club
or you know, a provincial union, or help.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Out in some way, I think I've achieved.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Would you say there's a disconnect between the boardroom and
grass streets level these days? Favor because we talk about
numbers of teams and just getting a squad on the
paddock for a lot of players. Given the change, especially
around the front row scenario, it's certainly you know, a
lot of teams are in a different predicament to what
they used to be.
Speaker 11 (41:06):
Yeah, I think it's the biggest thing we've got. We
got so much competition in there in sports, you know,
you know, basketball, soccer, there's so many sports out there
now that you know, young young kids and single parents
can look at and it's easy. It's not saying rugby
is hard, but it's it's probably the easy way for them. Maybe,
(41:28):
like the basketball side of it, that's indoors. It's smaller numbers,
commitments not as big, you know, and probably shouldn't really
say that either. I think probably any sport is a
big commitment for anybody. But you know, I think we're
just we've got a lot of competition. And as I
mentioned before, we talked about the old DNA of of rugby.
(41:50):
You know, you know, it's not what it used to be.
And and that's the hard part, you know, when you're
seeing clubs struggling along players you know, they get to us,
you know, they get through schools and then they look
at other revenues. You know, they're looking at careers, you know,
picking up a career as a builder or a plumber
(42:11):
or or engineer, whatever it is they take on and
rugby rugby becomes secondary.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, a great point you bring up there. How do
we reinvigorate the DNA with rugby or those days gone?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I think they're still there.
Speaker 9 (42:27):
It's just.
Speaker 11 (42:29):
The numbers the clubs. The clubs are starting to see
get a lot of pressure put on them financially, and
then that's their players too. They they're looking at it
from a financial point of view.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
You know.
Speaker 11 (42:44):
I think when I was younger, we had our kids,
got married later, we had our kids a bit later,
but like young couples now are both working to make
ends meet, trying to get in the housing market, stuff
like that. So there's a lot more going on to
the young ones now.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
We look at the situation around Moana Pacific here, and
it just brings a bigger question. I suppose, how do
super Rugby evolve to stay relevant?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, that is a big question.
Speaker 11 (43:09):
I don't know if I've got the answer to anyone only.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
The big questions on this show. Mate.
Speaker 11 (43:15):
Yeah, you know that there's a lot a lot going
on even you know, like you look at the top level.
You know there's a lot of I'll tell you small
small things, but they can become big things. You know,
how do we keep everyone in the game and what's
their pathways and stuff like that, And you know New
(43:35):
Zealand rugby has got a big role to play in it,
and and solf we I think we have too. You know,
if we can guide or help or influence young ones
today to put a b of boots on or whatever
they do, it's just get out and play sport.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
With the evolution of one in the stadium in christ Church,
are you concerned the full sized bars stadium might not
stay relevant anymore?
Speaker 11 (44:04):
I think, you know, it's like most things that are new.
You know, we just we as a union, I think
we're in a provincial union, you know, we we've just
got to concentrate on what we can do. You know,
it's a fantastic thing what they've done. You know, I
think Hongi it's a it's a wonderful I haven't been
there yet. I went there last year just to have
(44:26):
a look at the construction that you know, we couldn't
get in to have.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
A look as such, but.
Speaker 11 (44:35):
You know that does appel a fantastic stadium and it'll
be multi purpose. It will be you'll be concerts and
what unfortunately thing with us it might be shortcutting us
a weave it. But we just got to concentrate on
what we can do. And you know this is a
band coming or whatever it is. Let's just make sure
we can offer a good experience.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Now we look at the MPC and the targ I've
got the red, pretty cheer. We last spoke to you, actually, David,
towards the end of the rugby season last year. A
lot of positives for a Tiger rugby, but how do
we try and get that success at the NPC level
to correlate through to super rugby.
Speaker 11 (45:14):
I just think a lot of it, you know, you know,
but old fashion, but there's a lot to be said
for a day game, you know, like you know, that's
more looking at crowd wise, but the day games are fantastic,
even under the roof.
Speaker 10 (45:30):
You know, the.
Speaker 11 (45:33):
Great occasions you can take the kids. It's not what
you've got to get home at nine point thirty ten.
You know, country people that are sort of you're traveling
through from central you know, you almost got to stay
the night. You know, it becomes very expensive to do that.
It's just making it affordable for the people to come
and support their team. And you know, and I think
(45:55):
that helps the crowd. You look at what South you know,
the South African crowds, and that you know, obviously day
because the sun shining on them, they're all sitting there
having a cold bear and you know, and and and
enjoying the occasion. And I think that's part of what
we used to have. But you know, things that things
have changed, things evolved.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
You talk about things evolving. Clinton had their weekend in
the sun last weekend. You have a loved clue to
rugby Club though it's all guns happening this weekend as
they celebrate the one fiftieth.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (46:25):
Yeah, there's been a lot of work going. Yeah, We've
been very fortunate to have a really good Jubilee Committee
and they've done outstanding work. You know, we've got a
a lady Devi kas has put her hand up and
really pushed a lot of the stuff and kept us
in line, which has been great. And you know she's
(46:48):
put a book together and she's done that's been outstanding.
And that's this one person that's going beyond you know,
i'd say, you know you're calling you know, So we're
looking forward to it. There's a lot of people come.
I think we're over three hundred blested people coming for
the from the Finite Sunday and polly Bit of Sunday.
Speaker 10 (47:13):
Drag me under.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
David Letter. There are Tigo Rugby Legend wrapping up the
best of the muster. My name's Andy Muir. The podcast
is available on iHeartRadio coincidentally. Otherwise, enjoy the weekend. If
you're playing sport, have a blinder and we'll catch you
Monday right here on Hockanui
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