January 23, 2026 • 45 mins
Andy Muir talks to Dean Rabbidge, Jason Pine, Grant McMaster, Eric Roy and Shane Bichan.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Last night I had the strangers a very good morning
and welcome into the best of the Muster, a collaboration
of interviews who took our attention during a busy week
here at Hokanui HQ. I'm Andy muer, thanks for joining us.
We're starting off the show by catching up with Dean
Rabbids sheep beef farmer based out of Glenham and he's
talking about the positivity of the wall sector given the
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way that we're seeing a lift in the price finally
after years of recession for the product. Jason pine of
Newstalk ZIB. He's looking at the Scott Robertson saga with
the All Blacks. He's no longer All Blacks coach. We
spoke of Piney earlier on in the week and he
talks about what it means as far as the All
Blacks and the coaching person. Now for whoever's next grant
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is asked McMaster farms on the edges of Lake Wakatypic
at closer In Station and he tells us about fly strike,
which is the f word, the dridded f roruid you
fear at this time of year on the farm. Eric
Roy was on the show Talking Politics. This is the
year of the election. November the seventh. We are having
the general election this year, so Eric tells us what
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it means for the major parties given the days of
having forty plus percent of the vote, it's pretty much gone.
And Shane Beckham was on the show based out of
South Otago doing an awesome job too for an awesome fund.
He's walking the length of New Zealand. And Shane tells
us about the cause that is dead to his heart
and why he's doing what he's doing. So without further ado,
(01:29):
we'll start the hour next with Dean Rabbitge. You're listening
to the best of the Musterer.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I you.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Dean Rabbitge farms at Glennam. Sheep and Bae Farmer joins
us for the first time in twenty twenty six on
the Muster. On this beautiful bluebird afternoon in the Deep South,
get a Dean house things you a very good idea.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's certainly stone sure.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It just puts it all into perspective when you've had
these cold, rather cooler days. I think Friday afternoon we
contemplated putting the fire on. It was ridiculous. Saturday wasn't
a hell of a lot better, or it did warm
up in the afternoon yesterday Sunday. You're very pleasant, But
like I said, that's in a farming context for the
middle of January. It's what you want.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, it's making life very easy, that's for sure. There's
a bit of moisture around and then get these nice
hot days. The clover is certainly pinging and there's no
shortage of options. We have to shift stock too, which
is a bit of a luxury in one pretty fortunate
to have, really, I guess.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So, how would you say ground conditions are compared to
previous januaries. I'm asking a few people this at the moment.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Oh gee, I have to think back. But now, yeah,
I think probably compared to the last couple of januaries
we've had, we're in a lot better position. I think
in the past have almost been getting cold or dry
or combination of the two. But no, look, we'll just
literally make hable the sun shines and really enjoy the
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conditions we've got and try and capitalize on some pretty
favorable market positions.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
At the moment.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, market's looking pretty good. Are you looking at going
heavier on your lambs as a result of it or
is it a case of the status Quite you're meeting
your budgets, you just carry on.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, No, we're just going to carry on.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
As soon as we get those lambs to the anyway
north of the eighteen kilos, they're going to go because
I know you can't sort of ring fence a year.
You got to lock into the next season already, do
I say it? Well, let's let's call it. We're almost
at the end of January. The rem will be go
out yeah again and for around two months tur and
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a half months time. So we really got to start
just looking forward to well, just looking after the years
and the breeding stop, because like I said before, you
can't isolate year after year. You got to look at
it as a as a continuous thing. So we'll just
carry on as per usual and appreciate the high prices,
but we're not going to go chasing massive weights to
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make even more money. We're just gonna we go on
to jeopardize next season before we start.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So what happened with your latest lamb weights? It sounds
like you died in the hole.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh yeah, they just were short of a double ton,
but not much. Yes, So I've got a third draft
going away this week on Wednesday, so they will be
Goodness is the terminals. We still haven't touched the maternals yet.
We took all the feathers off them and started December
at winning time, which has worked out pretty well to
the point I've got the shoes booked and already for
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next year.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
This has been nice not him.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
To worry about fly or getting them bagged prior to sharing,
and it takes a bit of pressure for the end
of January for us as well when we're trying to
get all the main share and that done also, So yeah,
not it seems to work so far pretty well. Obviously
they're going to have a bit more woolong than coming
into April, but hopefully they it will only be a
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small number of crips left and then the remainder will
be Capital STUCKU replacements which gets shorn again and July
prelium anyway, So yeah, it seems to be working all
right at it.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So the Lambs didn't take much of a check pre
Christmas despite being shorn.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Then.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Look, it's hard to say because it was the first
time we've done it, so it's sort.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Of hard to compare.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
But they always take the every check around waning time anyway,
so it may have had another we got you in
the system, I'm not too sure, but we ran them
all over the conveyor on Friday and reached them all
again for the second time. So yeah, we'll have a
better sort up next time they come through the yards.
But I seemed to trucking away nicely, and certainly in
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these nice hot days that they seemed to be quite
happy out there grazing most of the time.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So it's good.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
And the big thing as well, you mentioned a dean
eliminating the risk of fly striker or reducing it.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, so what they do we Yeah, obviously all the
maternals are shorn and then all the terminal's got sort
of jetted pretty Christmas. So yeah, like we haven't had
no worry about anything like that, and we don't seem
to have any any effects of that or any impeter
fly on the US, even though they are for wall.
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So yes, one most thankfu worry about because it came
a quite a time consuming job if you start having
those issues, especially the sum of year.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What did you do as far as work like doing
your sharing pre Christmas? Though? And what is already pretty
much a stressful month.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Oh yeah, I don't. I don't know if there's a
non section for months.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And farming is there.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it's increased a little bit, but then again, like
we've saved a week or three or four days in
the yards, crushed them up before you get shre this
end of the season too, So it's done all things
aroundabouts really, but.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We're quite heavy with that decision.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, you're talking about budgets for remat prices all your
will budget. I'd say it'll be above where you need
it to be because talked about this with Jay King
just before as well. The South Island price update from
last week. Another successful sale up there in Canterbury.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that's really positive. It's still not we needs to
be you don't under sound too negative, but at least
we're going to be making a significant margin on the
uth please, especially this year, it's going to more than
cover costs. So it's going to be quite a swung
from perhaps having a small loss to break even last
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year to call a significant cash fun picked this year.
So it's really cool and obviously heading in the right direction.
So yeah, quite happy with that.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, this was a commentary that came from the sale
last week. The first South Island sale of a new
year saw significant pressure for buyers to secure volumes to
feel new will Well export excuse me business into China
and India, as with all ships in the harbor, to
get lifted on a rising tide. The sale saw the
same for all wall breeds and types, with a very
active demand from the ox on floor and it was
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interested in note the most crossbred fleeces types now exceed
five dollars per kilo clean threshold, not having been achieved
for almost ten years.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, it's pretty exciting, isn't it. So you will get
well onto the store was assuring between like the start,
we've just got builders here putting a new roof on
the wallshet at the moment from the one we lost
in October. It's a bit pressure on them. Yeah, we'll
get a head all onto the store pretty quickly, as
soon as it's often tested and get into the system
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to see what happens from there. But yeah, it's going
to be nice putting those bars on the truck and
you're going to get a positive return other than another
cost of yueit, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, I was going into the positives and not the
negatives as far as the monetary side of things. So
long mate, continue. Hey, the big news regarding your Black
coaching shake up last week, all this talk about Jamie
Joseph and the likes. What would be your dream All
Blacks combination as far as coaching or is it too
big a process freshly for us to try and understand
(09:04):
because you get all these coaches, all these different dynamics
change as far as we they want on their staff.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, I know, I know that Jimmy Sinkley, Mark Bryston
and Karen Enerson from Windom would probably like to have
a crack at it, But no, I think Jamie Joseph
would certainly bring probably a bit more of a hard
nose edge to the All Blacks, which potentially has been
missing in the last last couple of seasons. I personally
wasn't too disappointed to see Raiser go, but I just
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hope they might have to come a few kettle in
there to get rid of the problem to start with.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So yeah, it'll be.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Definitely an interesting Super Rugby campaign and watch a space.
I guess when it comes to the All Blacks this season,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Ye're good to see you quoting some window names there.
You guys have got a special year as well since
enery wise.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah we do. Actually, we've got one hundred and
twenty fifth Jubilee coming up and.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
ENZAC week end this year, so.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
The always apparently start training this week getting quite excited
about it. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that you can
go onto the wind break we've called facebook page and
follow some links to register it. If you're a next
player or contributor to the club or just a supporter, yes,
(10:20):
hope you can record a quite a good weekend. And
obviously with ANZIC dating on a Saturday this year, we
get Monday off, so it's a pretty good excuse to
make a good weekend of it.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Are you president this year? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I am for my sons along with a few other things,
so yep, it's my turn according to the roster. So yeah,
it's quite an exciting and it's pretty cool to be
part of the club and a big year at this.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Do you crack a good whip?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
What do we run a democratic dictatorship?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Jean Trump? There you go, we'll heard it here for us.
How good are your David? Let you carry on and enjoy.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
The Thanks and.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Welcome back to the Muster on Hakanui. Jason Pine, host
of Weekend Sport on Newstalk ZB, joins us after rather
hectic week in the New Zealand sporting landscape. Piny, good
afternoon and welcome to the Muster.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Thanks and a year nothing like a nothing like a
slow start to the sporting year. We're not getting We're
not getting that this year. Biggest sports story in terms
of reaction, not only on our show, but across social media,
across the news sites, across the entire sporting landscape. Biggest
one I can remember for at least a decade, the
(11:40):
departing aways with Scott Robertson on Thursday. So yeah, lots
to lots to dissect and still probably a lot to
come as we as we try to work out what's next.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So what, Yeah, what's actually the problem here? Is this
a problem though just for New Zealand rugby stemming from
the coaching person our right through to the hierarchy.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
It's hard to really know for sure without being inside
the environment. But look, put it this way, Andy, it's
beyond the scoreboard, right because seven losses in twenty seven
test matches, that's a winning percentage of around seventy five
percent across Scott Robertson's time as all Black Sea coach.
Only Rassi Erasmus of South Africa has a better winning
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percentage among international coaches. So I think a lot of
people are saying, hey, well, how can you get rid
of a guy who's got effectively a seventy five percent
winning record? So it has to go diger than that.
And I listened carefully to David Kirk's press conference on
Thursday when he was answering questions about this decision, and
a couple of words stood out. One was trajectory. They
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don't believe they're on the right three. And then one
was a phrase when he said, this team is not
on track, so clearly within the high performance environment and
certainly within the playing group. Off the end of what
I understand was a pretty scathing review at the end
of the end of view tour or the end of
the end of View tour, they've decided change is needed
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if they are to get back on track and to
and to send the trajectory in the in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Do you think player power has something to do with us?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I think that's the wrong phrase. I think the players
certainly have something to do with. When you talk about
player power, often you get the negative connotation of of,
you know, the lunatics running the asylum. If you like,
you know that the players are there to play. They're
not the one to select the coach. They do what
the coach sets out for them. But these are high
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performing all blacks Andy who have been in and around
this team, many of them for close to a decade,
and they know when things are not right, and that
clearly is is the message that's come through. Depending on
who you who you believe, and who you listen to.
I heard our colleague at tv INS, Andrew Savill, say
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today that he understand that ninety percent of the playing
group we're not in favor of Scott Robertson continuing, not
in favor of the way he was running the team. Look,
when you've lost ninety percent of your dressing room, there
really isn't a way forward. So look, player power, I
think has been a fairly convenient phrase to be thrown
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around for those who want to see something sinister in
all of this. Those players have a limited window to
be successful in their rugby careers, and the last thing
they want is for that ambition to be in any
way stymied by the coaching that they are receiving. So yeah,
I think certainly the player feedback formed a large part
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of this decision. But to say that somehow the players
pushed their coach out is factually incorrect because you know,
if the board had wanted to, if David Kirk had
wanted to, they could have you know, said okay, well
look we take your feedback on board. The we're going
to stick with our man. They didn't do that. So yeah,
it formed a part of it. But I don't like
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the phrase player power.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I mean, you think there was there was only three
losses last year, but the concern seems to be the
manner of the losses. Would that be fair?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeap, very fair. Look, I think the hiding in Wellington
and that's you know, the only way you can describe
it in South Africa was you know, that really laid
bare a lot of problems within that side. And also
really the almost afterwards that was almost as concerning, when
you know, coach and captain in front of the media
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were just completely unable to explain what had happened. And
then you know, the lost to England at the back
end of the year. I think that was almost like
the last straw, if you like. Look if they won
that game and completed a Grand Slam, would would raise
still be there? I guess you could say maybe, but
I think by that stage things have got to a
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point where, you know, where there were serious questions. So yes,
the other loss, of course, was away in Argentina. Look,
this team had some very good wins under Razor, the
first Test against South Africa up in Ackland, a terrific performance,
you know, twos over Ireland, including a really really good
performance in Dublin in twenty twenty four. But I think
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what we've seen, Andy is that the results have papered
over some pretty large cracks in that All Blacks kingdom.
And when those cracks appear, it's often the man at
the top of the tree who has to part to
allow them to be fixed. And that's exactly what's happened here.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Now we start the merrygo around regarding the next coaching person. Now, Pinty,
I mean Jamie Joseph is the name you're hearing bandied
around there trying to get Tony Brown involved with him,
though he sounds like he's locked down in South Africa.
He got very kind of Joe Schmid. I mean, there's
a lot of good coaches out there, and I don't
know where you really start to go through this process.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, it's a very good point because there'll be a
few hands up for it. There'll be others whose names
have been thrown into the conversation who I'm sure don't
have any real desire to get involved. Just on the
Jamie Joseph one, he appears to be the front runner,
But I feel as though Jamie Joseph without Tony Brown
is a very different proposition from Jamie Joseph with Tony Brown,
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and they worked. They worked very well, you know, in
harmony with one another. Yeah, I've seen all of the
stuff out of South Africa. I haven't seen anything official
from Tony Brown himself to say I'm definitely staying until
twenty twenty seven. And look, contracts as we know, and
I can get out of them if you want to.
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In a funny old way, I think if Tony Brown
went to rasci Erasmus and said, hey, I've got this
opportunity to coach the All Blacks, rasci Erasmus would probably
let him go.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
He knows Tony Brown, and he knows how deep Tony
Brown's desire is to one day coach the All Blacks.
I've been trying to get inside Tony Brown's head ever
since this happened, and Jamie Joseph's name has been in
and around the conversation, and I really don't know what
he would be thinking. A huge part of him, I'm
sure would think, Okay, well, if I throw my lot
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and with Jamie, we're likely to be in the next
All Blacks coaching group, something I've always wanted, you know,
That's one way I could go. Or I could stay
with South Africa, this juggern Order World Rugby, try and
win another World Cup in two years and then that
role back at the All Blacks will still be there
for me. So yeah, if it's not Jamie, I quite
like the idea of Dave Rennie being involved. A guy
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with international experience at Australia treated dreadfully by Rugby Australia
when he was let go for them to get Eddie
Jones back, and we know what a dumps to fire
that turn into. So I like the idea of Dave
Rennie being involved. Joe Schmidt clearly has a lot of
you know, a lot of rugby IQ, whether he's the
head coach or just in and around the team. You know,
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it won't just be one guy, and it'll be a
team of coaches who who have to work in harmony
to make sure that the playing group are getting clear messaging,
honest communication and to be fair, the buck has to
stop at their head coach and I'm not sure that
was always the case internally anyway, when conversations were to
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be had at the All Blacks underscore Robertson just.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
To wrap up Piney the black Caps securing their first
ever ODI Series win in India, donate attempts. We can
underestimate how big this is for the cricketing landscape.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Amazing news to wake up to this morning that the
New Zealand side had done this. And you know, winning
a One Day Series in India is hard enough anyway,
you know, no New Zealand team's ever done it in
the previous seven attempts. But to do it with a
severely undermanned side, a hugely inexperienced side rarely you know,
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against a pretty decent Indian outfit on Indian tracks is remarkable. Really,
It's a massive feather in their caps when a lot
of those players as well, and you must remember have
Harp and I on the T twenty World Cup. The
one day series was almost a bit of an inconvenience really,
but they went over there and look, you have to
make mention of Darrell Mitchell and what he has done
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in the series. Two big hundreds and another score of
eighty four, a strike rate of over one hundred. You know,
a complete all purpose cricketer for New Zealand, Daryl Mitchell.
So yeah, massive feather in the cap of those who
are involved.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Now we turn our attention to the five match T
twenty series against India and the T twenty World Cup
to come. But this has to be a huge confidence
boost for the black Caps, those who are staying and
the coaching staff as well as they look look ahead
to the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
In a month or so.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Jason Pine of News talks'd be weekend sports hosts. We
can hear you amusing tonight as well from seven pm.
Always appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, love it, Andy, You look forward to catching up
again soon.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Grand Is us McMaster farms on the edge of lake Walk,
a trip at Close Friends Station and joins us at
Association where spatman on the team at Abbey Rural Disaster.
Good afternoon, good.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Afternoon, any, good afternoon, everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Well that was not so much as a good afternoon.
I mean you've found the dridded f on the lambs.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I have the dreaded fly strike on the on our
rising over over the Hills block. So yeah, I haven't come.
I haven't seen much at Kloster in thank goodness. And
although you know it's probably it's been a reasonable season
for it with the rain. But on this arise over
the Hills block though, they were shorn late November, so
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there's not very much small on them at all. But
we're we're shifting them yesterday and also shifting us and
used with single lambs to go back for weaning on
on Friday morning. And I had to shift these hogits
out of the way and I saw one for the
fly strike. So we got the US and lambs into
the into the yard and the cattle yards and and
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went back and for the for these two days and
behind to come back today with a bit of the
magic mago. And but there's about five that have got
it now and as I say, not a Scareca, but
dag near them any Dagnelm's Brian when he gets the
muster of them. So no, so that's the mago out
today and probably have to look at i'd say, running
and through the dip somewhere along the line. So we're
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just speaking of there the logistics of when you're farming
another property that hasn't got a lot of hasn't got
a lot of you know, permanent yards and wallshead and
things like that you sort of take for granted and
prinsic example over here yesterday these one hundred and thirty
years and one hundred and twenty eight lambs. So it's
a bit of a lay actually one hundred and twenty.
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But we you know the crackers the transports that he said,
but you better draft them off. And I thought we
might have been able to do it in the in
the caddle yards come their yards, but not for those
paranels of the open house. So in the end we've
ended up taking them, drafting them as they went up
onto the line and there's only truck glowed so and
if we didn't get them to separate, it was going
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to be two trips in this truck and you know
that's about that's about two airs a truck. It's just
the way the traffic it. So I was just thinking
to myself, you know, you take for granted all the
everything you've got in your own place, and you know
you would have just whip them through the yards, taken
them off and likes these seat today that have a
fly struck just in and threw them up in the
grating and you're pulling them over and dirt outside, and
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you could have given them a bit of a bloody
crutch or a share and what have you. So it's, yeah,
it's all very well having these places, but those the
little things that you think we'll just do that, they
become the big things. And not that it's a massive issue,
but it's you know, we'll obviously you have to have
to get someone in to dip them and set the
prattles up and what have you, which is right at
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the time when we're weaning and mustering at the moment,
so it doesn't rain, while as we know, it does
rain and a pause, but just one of those things
without appeal, isn't.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It having a set of Pratley's as well, especially for
drenching and the like's works. Would they work the head
if you took them over there and try to do
it that way or is it a matter of being
there and then at the moment, like.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
What's the what's the keddle yards we have that are
off the off a great off the deer shed which
is an old hay barn, its inverted and it's got
the race up the side and the crush, so you
can we can do it drenching there with the with
the animals, but you can't dropt because you've just got
the crush at the end. So and you get about
thirty thirty in at a time, but you know that's
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fine for the drenching, and obviously when we tail over
here it's you know, we have the pratleys and but
it's just the little things like little fly strike or
things like that that makes it a bit more difficult.
So but we'll, yeah, well we'll get by.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We're saying off ear as well. Nothing like flying down
cam Street with a dozen lambs on the back of
the trailer that you've got to go home and fix up.
When you're going through the middle of a tourist result,
it's probably a bit different to a back road towards
White Guya.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, exactly, especially to put some of the omego. And
I'll be jumping out like bloody fried rice as we
went past the Thurgburger.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
So it might call a few people.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
There'll be one country they wouldn't so but no, it's
just it's one of those things. And then and then
the other thing is John, my grandson, who has been
helping me, said I we'll have to get some mago
from the vet. I said, well, they don't stop mago
at the vet clubs up around and around Queenstown. So
things like that you've got to get, you know, from Cromwell.
And there's always defenses coming over. If someone comes over,
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you can get it. But it's you know, and we've
had it on stop, thank goodness. But it might be
more than the mago's need. And I think it's going
to have to be, you know, be the we'll have
to get the dipping done a bit quicker.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Well, just that's where you're farming in central Like you say,
when you've got those shops that aren't available nice and handy,
you've almost got a plan to hit. I suppose yeah
you do.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
And and we you know, we have done but I've
used the whole bloody tin of it this morning, so no,
you do. And that's just that's just one of those
things that you've got to do. And I guess that
in fairness of the vets up here, they're not you know,
they don't have a lot of infantry and that you're
not getting paid for. And the number of tons of
maga that chews would be probably zero. But I'll have
(26:05):
to get a bit of penicillin for a couple of
these Jews too, and and see how it goes. But
you know, a couple of them aren't good. The rest
will be all right. But it's it's it's this. You know,
it's quite hot now, very very hot yesterday and it
certainly hasn't been hermid hasn't been humid at all. It's
been quite In fact, the other morning yesterday morning there
was just on the on the verge of a frost.
(26:27):
So but a beautiful day, yes they and a good
one today. So yeah, things things are drying up a
little bit, not nothing, you know, not not be worried
about this, meaning natural in the in the atmosphere, so
to speak, so you know, just having a good look
to one of those blocks today And I said before,
you know, I've never seen too much clove, and I
(26:48):
can just reiterate that with blocksmen in this morning. Getting
using lambs out of its incredible. So yet it's you've
got to you know, you get you get the clove
and you get the draft and get your bathe it's
made and you got to deal with that little straight
in green fry fly. It's just part of it's part
of what's made the season so good. I guess, you know,
it's hard. You know, years ago and and we may
(27:09):
explain about this before, but you know, years ago, if
there were DAGs on you, that's that was. That might
have been fly blind or if a U was cast
and you but late, well you know you got to it.
But it was it was never heard of sort of
getting blown in the back of it, you know, blowing
them right in the back of the back along the
back was it. And it was not a scare dag
or anything on it. So yeah, little buggers.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, especially when they've only been short a couple of
months exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
So that's you know, I was, I was pretty village
vigilant this morning when you're getting close to some of
these views that you know you they've been all spread
out of hell blocks and as they were going through
I haven't seen any of they use at home home
with it. And so but as I say, we will,
wean on Thursday and straight out our dog Closs on
the at my Tangi weekend. We'll be sharing them and
(27:57):
they you know, they got six months along, but you
know these Bundy Hoggins have only got two months, so
there'll be something out there. We'll Tony Prideal get that
that magic ivers on the race tomorrow on not Thursday,
and get those out and we'll get those tidied up.
And yeah, we might have to get town up.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
With earlier to do the do the deb Yeah means
means muster's just what you got to do in this game, disaster.
We'll let you carry on. Good luck with that flybedle
this afternoon.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Okay, thanks Andy, and a lovely day by by you know,
by all means and say it so as yet though
I said you off here was the first time i'd
sort of got on the summer and had needed a
couple of studies, so straight up to work. So that
was a good part of the day. But yeah, there
you take.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The god with the man, haven't you exactly granted next week?
Appreciate it, okay, look forward to it. Thanks for joining us.
This is the muster on hak and Nui. Eric Roy,
former MP environmentself and counselor, amongst other hats he still wears,
(28:59):
done plenty of things over the years, and joins us
once again. Eric, Good afternoon and welcome here.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Good afternoon, and best wishes to all our listeners out
there for twenty twenty six. Leads Op, it's a cracker year.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
That's the thing. We've just got to have the glass
half full scenario, especially in a rural sense, and it's
going to be a massive year for politics in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
It absolutely is. And I think that's probably a positive
and a negative depending on how it all works out,
because there's clearly been a bit of a shift in
the way things are happening now economically, and they talked
about green shoots. Now we're starting to see a bit
of growth and I just hope that we can bank
(29:43):
that and keep going forward and that we don't revert
back to some silly policies that aren't bankable, that we
can't afford. And I just yeah, I just think, you know,
Thank goodness, we've turned a bit of a corner. Let's
keep it going. So that's the first positive that's there,
and yeah, we'll just see where it breaks. But people
(30:07):
are funny when it comes to that orange pen in
the electoral box. People are funny, That's all I can say.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Because interesting listening to commentary over the last couple of days.
These days, you're not going to see one of the
major parties labor on national going to the forties or
their voter such gets canibalized by the smaller parties as such.
So this is what m MP is going to present
to us going forward.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
You're absolutely right, and I see lux and the saying
this is a mature MMP environment, but it's one I'm
not that really comfortable with because you know, you can't
actually come out and state policy with any clarity, like
we've got lux And saying we need to have a
(30:53):
look at the age of super and then we know
Winston won't truck with at all. So it makes it
very very difficult to get clarity about what policy is
actually out there.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Raising the agency perannuation is there going to be a
big topic this year?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Well, well, the NATS have said that we need to
look at it, so they probably need to be having
a discussion with Labor and get a cross party decision
on that, because I don't think that the team New
Zealand First are going to buy into it. So it's
going to be very difficult to do anything. But everybody's
(31:33):
saying it needs to be addressed, and it's a complex issue,
and it's a bigger issue than just actually saying we're
going to raise the issue. There's got to be other
ways in which funding and other options that are out there,
and you know, various service schemes and other things are
going to have to come in to pick up that slack.
So it's quite a complex issue.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, the big thing for the government this year is
we're being told time and again going to see these
green shoots as it gets phrased over time now for
goodness sake, but we're going to see it regarding the
economy and it needs to occur.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
It does, and I think it's happening. I do, and
I think, you know, from an agricultural point of view,
I'm just absolutely delighted that we've got some return now
because it's been a bit of a drought for quite
a while and if you look around the world, all
of all of the big countries that contribute red meat
(32:29):
into the market or they all have been on the
decline or on the rebuild. So I think we've got
three or four years when we can sort of say
things are going to give us some solid sort of
background to making decisions in going forward. And if you
look at New Zealand's economy, about one hundred and two
(32:50):
billion dollars worth of exports, sixty two billion of those
is from primary produce, so that is their business. So
you know, that's to drive the economy quite significantly, that
sort of revenue coming in.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Regarding the situation where Donald Trump and well now he
was to go to Greenland for goodness sakes, what does
this means to New Zealand and economic sense?
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Well, he's the rogue. He's an absolute rogue. We've never
seen a world leader like him before. And he's just
a boy. And I hope he's listening.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
My Heart radio. Anything's possible, yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Or he should be tuned into the muster there. You know,
there's just no compelling reason to make the decisions he's
making other than he thinks he's the most important person
in the world. And he's going to make all the
decisions and everybody else can just lump it. And so
the tariff thing is really the big negative that's out there,
(33:50):
because you've only got to say something to offend him
or not do what he says, and whack, oh, you
get twenty percent or fifteen percent or whatever tariff he
thinks a suitable punishment for you. And that could be
the big negative that's sitting out there around our primary produce.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's the crazy thing with Trump. One stroke of the
pen and your economy can be buggered. That's just what
you're facing with this guy. And it's not right.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Well, look, we worked out in the nineteen eighties that
tariffs didn't serve any kind of beneficial purpose whatsoever, and
we cut clean out of that. And as a small
trading nation, we believe that trade and free access and
all of that is significantly important. And there's plenty of
commentators around the world will tell you that free trade
(34:41):
is the greatest peace elixa that's out there. The greatest
formula for keeping world peace is giving people option to markets.
That's what's out there. And we've got Trump operating as
a rogue saying I'm the only person that's important.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Well, based on that our agreement with India that got
rid offied or just we've got the tech as such.
Just before Christmas, Eric, this is a great thing for
New Zealand. There has been a long time in the
making and it hasn't been easy work.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Now it hasn't. India is just a real growth market.
There's probably going to be within a decade four hundred
and fifty middle class Indian people that want access to
the sort of products that we produce. And whilst it
didn't really take in the sort of dairy sector in
(35:30):
the way that some people would have liked, what we
did is made a start and those things can be
renegotiated further down the line. But you've got to be
at the table and you've got to be in there
to what's going to be one of the most significant
markets in the world. So I say well done to
Todd McClay and the team for getting that across the line.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
As far as the Middle East, is that where we
need to focus on.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Next, well, we've got to spread there, spread there, you know,
our markets for wherever we can and we don't need
to be too China dependent or we don't need to
be too us dependent, particularly with the terror threat. So look,
it's a matter of just finding out what we do
(36:14):
and what we produce is something quite unique and quite special.
It's not a big part of the world we meet
trade or the agricultural sector by and large, but there
are people out there who want it. We need to
find them and we need to drive those trading agreements
that give us access to the markets exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Hey, good only Eric. We always appreciate your time on
the Muster and we'll catch up again.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Good luck.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Thanks, welcome back to the Muster.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
The Boys of Summer by Don Henley arguably a summer
to remember. Whether wise next guest, will we tell us,
we'll be able to tell us that more than anybody.
He's walking to the Leaks in New Zealand. His name
is Shane Beckon. He's calling it Shane's Walk to raise
awareness for the aftermath of suicide. We catched this afternoon.
He started at Cokura this morning's he's heading his way
(37:16):
south through Canterbury. Shane, good afternoon and welcome to the Muster.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Thank you any that's good to be here.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, Look, firstly, how's it going.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
I'm not gonna lie. It's definitely not easy. Yeah, the
body's taken a real hammering, but the support has been
amazing and it's actually really helped get.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Me through because it's as much a mental game as
a physical game. This I suppose, yes, it.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Is sort of.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
I can peel out the first fifty k relatively easy,
not real easy it days, but it's the last fifteen that, Yeah,
it really becomes a mental thing and you're really talking
yourself and so keeping ongoing. But you know the reason
for the cause that is strong enough for.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Me to carry on.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So we'll talk about the cause very shortly. But you
look at about sixty to seventy kilometers a day, is
that correct?
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Trying to do sixty five a day, the average has
ended up being fifty five.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Just with how things started.
Speaker 8 (38:21):
We couldn't find campgrounds and parking up areas for staying
overnight just with the New Year period, so that was
a real challenge.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So what did you do there? Just sleep on the
side of the road.
Speaker 8 (38:33):
Yeah, rooftop tens and a swag. A couple of people
have taken us in as well, which was amazing. Some
last minute blockings and yeah, so no, pretty it was
tough times. It was definitely hard dealing with that while
you're walking too, h You.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Talk about tough times though and the rest now behind this,
Walkshane just explain what was a catalyst?
Speaker 8 (38:59):
So yeah, just worth having lost in our family.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Extended family.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
The help isn't around later on down the track is
sort of what set this in motion.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
And.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Same all the way up or down the country. As
the people agree, it's quite devastating.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So it's more around support for people who are left behind.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Yes, yes, so I want to create a community, even
if it's just a coffee group for people to let
them know that they're not alone and just have a yarn.
And I'm also open to other ideas around that scenario.
Obviously I don't have all the answers, but talking seems
(39:51):
to be a big thing and we're all too scared
to do it.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Is that just because of our stoic persona as kiwis.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
I think so, and definitely in males and men in general,
But it would be nice to get the young ones
talking too. You know they're dealing with it just as
much as appearance.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
So do you have a total in mind? Did you
hope to raise.
Speaker 8 (40:18):
I did, and then so I sort of thought five
thousand and talking to a few people, they were like, ah,
that's not enough and we're over that now. So anything
over and above, I'm hoping to help more communities. So
go outside of the area and yeah, just keep on going.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Really, and how's the support been as you started at
kate Ri yinger as the publics have been behind you,
do you say yes?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (40:46):
Well really it started off amazing being up the top
and I guess everyone heading in to kate Ring has
seen us walking, and then by the time they were
coming out, they knew what we were doing. And I
would say almost seven out of ten cars tooting, waving, clapping, yeah,
people pulling over. As we got the weave, it further
(41:08):
down and it spread wide.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It was that dinner the.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
Trucks, the big rigs, double the tooting and support, big waves.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's amazing.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
It puts another spring in your step.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
So how do you get around likes of the motorway
scenario through walkland I think Wellington and the likes looking
on your posts, you just got to navigate that anyway.
You've got to suppose.
Speaker 8 (41:31):
Yes, yeah, so the expressways and that we're fine. And
then as you got to one hundred and ten. Obviously,
we got kicked off the other day, but it was
polite and it was getting to the end where we
needed to jump off anyway, and the support car it
helps immensely. We've got a radio.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
He radios ahead and.
Speaker 8 (41:50):
Lets me know when there's traffic coming and things like that.
We're just navigating the narrow roads south of Ka Kora
and yeah, it's actually been really helpful.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
So how far are you hoping to go today?
Speaker 8 (42:01):
Hoping to get to Chevy at I'm going to have
the wind up my ass apparently this afternoon, but also
a lot of showers, so we're making the most of
this light drizzle at the moment.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
So when do you hope to make it down to Bluff.
Speaker 8 (42:19):
I'm hoping around the fourth to the sixth of February.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
That's not that far away. You're actually making pretty good time.
Truths to be known.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
Yeah, Well, as it started, I looked up my Strava
on the first day and I was like, wow, we
covered some good ground and then I zoomed out and
it was a little die. I'm not going to do
that again. But yeah, the kids that my kids that
are at daycare They've got a we map in New
Zealand and they've got a week picture of me and they.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Move me awesome every couple of days.
Speaker 8 (42:50):
And yeah, it's quite motivating.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
So how many pairs of shoes do you think you'll
go through?
Speaker 5 (42:55):
I'm hoping just the two.
Speaker 8 (42:58):
I'm wearing two and I alternate them with as one
peer gets wet, jump into the dry pier the following
day and to let them sort of reform.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So when you train for something like this, do you train?
Can you train for it?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Not on the distance.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
I think the distance is more of a mental game.
I had been doing some smaller walks nine and a
half k's daily, but yeah, I talked to another ultra
marathon walker and he's done this mission before and he said,
it's just something that you've just got to do.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You can't train.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
So how do you pass the time during the day.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Well, actually, I've got ear pods in, but I don't
listen to music. I only have one in so I
can still hear the traffic coming. And I haven't been
listening to music or anything, just purely so I can
hear the traffic and my crew car. But I've just
sit inside my own head and I've effectually get a
(44:01):
few issues, and you know, I'm feeling a lot better
for it.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
So okay, shame people are listening to this thinking where
can I contribute? We can I help out? Where do
they go? And follow your map?
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Well?
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Actually when you get further down south as well, encourage you.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (44:16):
So there is my Facebook page of Strange Walk to
raise awareness all the aftermaths of suicide, and there is
a link to the give a Little page on that.
Some people have been having issues with that, but you
can go on to the give a Little page and
look up that same title.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Hey, Shane Dicken, all the best on your trip down south.
We're going to catch up with you and keep tabs
on your journey. You're doing a great job for a
greater cause. We wish you all the best and we
will catch up again.
Speaker 8 (44:45):
Thank you very much, Bendy.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
What's not a harder strangers Shane Dick in there. What
a great story making his way down to to Bluff
from Kate rieing it but all for a great cause.
That's us over in Dublin. Thanks very much for your company.
My name is Andy Mure. This has been the best
of the muster, enjoy the weekend. We'll see you Monday.
Last night I had the strangers a very good morning
and welcome into the best of the Muster, a collaboration
of interviews who took our attention during a busy week
here at Hokanui HQ. I'm Andy muer, thanks for joining us.
We're starting off the show by catching up with Dean
Rabbids sheep beef farmer based out of Glenham and he's
talking about the positivity of the wall sector given the
(00:25):
way that we're seeing a lift in the price finally
after years of recession for the product. Jason pine of
Newstalk ZIB. He's looking at the Scott Robertson saga with
the All Blacks. He's no longer All Blacks coach. We
spoke of Piney earlier on in the week and he
talks about what it means as far as the All
Blacks and the coaching person. Now for whoever's next grant
(00:46):
is asked McMaster farms on the edges of Lake Wakatypic
at closer In Station and he tells us about fly strike,
which is the f word, the dridded f roruid you
fear at this time of year on the farm. Eric
Roy was on the show Talking Politics. This is the
year of the election. November the seventh. We are having
the general election this year, so Eric tells us what
(01:07):
it means for the major parties given the days of
having forty plus percent of the vote, it's pretty much gone.
And Shane Beckham was on the show based out of
South Otago doing an awesome job too for an awesome fund.
He's walking the length of New Zealand. And Shane tells
us about the cause that is dead to his heart
and why he's doing what he's doing. So without further ado,
(01:29):
we'll start the hour next with Dean Rabbitge. You're listening
to the best of the Musterer.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I you.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Dean Rabbitge farms at Glennam. Sheep and Bae Farmer joins
us for the first time in twenty twenty six on
the Muster. On this beautiful bluebird afternoon in the Deep South,
get a Dean house things you a very good idea.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's certainly stone sure.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
It just puts it all into perspective when you've had
these cold, rather cooler days. I think Friday afternoon we
contemplated putting the fire on. It was ridiculous. Saturday wasn't
a hell of a lot better, or it did warm
up in the afternoon yesterday Sunday. You're very pleasant, But
like I said, that's in a farming context for the
middle of January. It's what you want.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, it's making life very easy, that's for sure. There's
a bit of moisture around and then get these nice
hot days. The clover is certainly pinging and there's no
shortage of options. We have to shift stock too, which
is a bit of a luxury in one pretty fortunate
to have, really, I guess.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So, how would you say ground conditions are compared to
previous januaries. I'm asking a few people this at the moment.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Oh gee, I have to think back. But now, yeah,
I think probably compared to the last couple of januaries
we've had, we're in a lot better position. I think
in the past have almost been getting cold or dry
or combination of the two. But no, look, we'll just
literally make hable the sun shines and really enjoy the
(03:01):
conditions we've got and try and capitalize on some pretty
favorable market positions.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
At the moment.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, market's looking pretty good. Are you looking at going
heavier on your lambs as a result of it or
is it a case of the status Quite you're meeting
your budgets, you just carry on.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, No, we're just going to carry on.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
As soon as we get those lambs to the anyway
north of the eighteen kilos, they're going to go because
I know you can't sort of ring fence a year.
You got to lock into the next season already, do
I say it? Well, let's let's call it. We're almost
at the end of January. The rem will be go
out yeah again and for around two months tur and
(03:39):
a half months time. So we really got to start
just looking forward to well, just looking after the years
and the breeding stop, because like I said before, you
can't isolate year after year. You got to look at
it as a as a continuous thing. So we'll just
carry on as per usual and appreciate the high prices,
but we're not going to go chasing massive weights to
(04:02):
make even more money. We're just gonna we go on
to jeopardize next season before we start.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So what happened with your latest lamb weights? It sounds
like you died in the hole.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh yeah, they just were short of a double ton,
but not much. Yes, So I've got a third draft
going away this week on Wednesday, so they will be
Goodness is the terminals. We still haven't touched the maternals yet.
We took all the feathers off them and started December
at winning time, which has worked out pretty well to
the point I've got the shoes booked and already for
(04:32):
next year.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
This has been nice not him.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
To worry about fly or getting them bagged prior to sharing,
and it takes a bit of pressure for the end
of January for us as well when we're trying to
get all the main share and that done also, So yeah,
not it seems to work so far pretty well. Obviously
they're going to have a bit more woolong than coming
into April, but hopefully they it will only be a
(04:55):
small number of crips left and then the remainder will
be Capital STUCKU replacements which gets shorn again and July
prelium anyway, So yeah, it seems to be working all
right at it.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So the Lambs didn't take much of a check pre
Christmas despite being shorn.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Then.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Look, it's hard to say because it was the first
time we've done it, so it's sort.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Of hard to compare.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
But they always take the every check around waning time anyway,
so it may have had another we got you in
the system, I'm not too sure, but we ran them
all over the conveyor on Friday and reached them all
again for the second time. So yeah, we'll have a
better sort up next time they come through the yards.
But I seemed to trucking away nicely, and certainly in
(05:42):
these nice hot days that they seemed to be quite
happy out there grazing most of the time.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So it's good.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
And the big thing as well, you mentioned a dean
eliminating the risk of fly striker or reducing it.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, so what they do we Yeah, obviously all the
maternals are shorn and then all the terminal's got sort
of jetted pretty Christmas. So yeah, like we haven't had
no worry about anything like that, and we don't seem
to have any any effects of that or any impeter
fly on the US, even though they are for wall.
(06:16):
So yes, one most thankfu worry about because it came
a quite a time consuming job if you start having
those issues, especially the sum of year.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What did you do as far as work like doing
your sharing pre Christmas? Though? And what is already pretty
much a stressful month.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Oh yeah, I don't. I don't know if there's a
non section for months.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And farming is there.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, it's increased a little bit, but then again, like
we've saved a week or three or four days in
the yards, crushed them up before you get shre this
end of the season too, So it's done all things
aroundabouts really, but.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
We're quite heavy with that decision.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, you're talking about budgets for remat prices all your
will budget. I'd say it'll be above where you need
it to be because talked about this with Jay King
just before as well. The South Island price update from
last week. Another successful sale up there in Canterbury.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, that's really positive. It's still not we needs to
be you don't under sound too negative, but at least
we're going to be making a significant margin on the
uth please, especially this year, it's going to more than
cover costs. So it's going to be quite a swung
from perhaps having a small loss to break even last
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year to call a significant cash fun picked this year.
So it's really cool and obviously heading in the right direction.
So yeah, quite happy with that.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, this was a commentary that came from the sale
last week. The first South Island sale of a new
year saw significant pressure for buyers to secure volumes to
feel new will Well export excuse me business into China
and India, as with all ships in the harbor, to
get lifted on a rising tide. The sale saw the
same for all wall breeds and types, with a very
active demand from the ox on floor and it was
(08:01):
interested in note the most crossbred fleeces types now exceed
five dollars per kilo clean threshold, not having been achieved
for almost ten years.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, it's pretty exciting, isn't it. So you will get
well onto the store was assuring between like the start,
we've just got builders here putting a new roof on
the wallshet at the moment from the one we lost
in October. It's a bit pressure on them. Yeah, we'll
get a head all onto the store pretty quickly, as
soon as it's often tested and get into the system
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to see what happens from there. But yeah, it's going
to be nice putting those bars on the truck and
you're going to get a positive return other than another
cost of yueit, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, I was going into the positives and not the
negatives as far as the monetary side of things. So
long mate, continue. Hey, the big news regarding your Black
coaching shake up last week, all this talk about Jamie
Joseph and the likes. What would be your dream All
Blacks combination as far as coaching or is it too
big a process freshly for us to try and understand
(09:04):
because you get all these coaches, all these different dynamics
change as far as we they want on their staff.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, I know, I know that Jimmy Sinkley, Mark Bryston
and Karen Enerson from Windom would probably like to have
a crack at it, But no, I think Jamie Joseph
would certainly bring probably a bit more of a hard
nose edge to the All Blacks, which potentially has been
missing in the last last couple of seasons. I personally
wasn't too disappointed to see Raiser go, but I just
(09:32):
hope they might have to come a few kettle in
there to get rid of the problem to start with.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So yeah, it'll be.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Definitely an interesting Super Rugby campaign and watch a space.
I guess when it comes to the All Blacks this season,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Ye're good to see you quoting some window names there.
You guys have got a special year as well since
enery wise.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah we do. Actually, we've got one hundred and
twenty fifth Jubilee coming up and.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
ENZAC week end this year, so.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
The always apparently start training this week getting quite excited
about it. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that you can
go onto the wind break we've called facebook page and
follow some links to register it. If you're a next
player or contributor to the club or just a supporter, yes,
(10:20):
hope you can record a quite a good weekend. And
obviously with ANZIC dating on a Saturday this year, we
get Monday off, so it's a pretty good excuse to
make a good weekend of it.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Are you president this year? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I am for my sons along with a few other things,
so yep, it's my turn according to the roster. So yeah,
it's quite an exciting and it's pretty cool to be
part of the club and a big year at this.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Do you crack a good whip?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
What do we run a democratic dictatorship?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Jean Trump? There you go, we'll heard it here for us.
How good are your David? Let you carry on and enjoy.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
The Thanks and.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Welcome back to the Muster on Hakanui. Jason Pine, host
of Weekend Sport on Newstalk ZB, joins us after rather
hectic week in the New Zealand sporting landscape. Piny, good
afternoon and welcome to the Muster.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Thanks and a year nothing like a nothing like a
slow start to the sporting year. We're not getting We're
not getting that this year. Biggest sports story in terms
of reaction, not only on our show, but across social media,
across the news sites, across the entire sporting landscape. Biggest
one I can remember for at least a decade, the
(11:40):
departing aways with Scott Robertson on Thursday. So yeah, lots
to lots to dissect and still probably a lot to
come as we as we try to work out what's next.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So what, Yeah, what's actually the problem here? Is this
a problem though just for New Zealand rugby stemming from
the coaching person our right through to the hierarchy.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
It's hard to really know for sure without being inside
the environment. But look, put it this way, Andy, it's
beyond the scoreboard, right because seven losses in twenty seven
test matches, that's a winning percentage of around seventy five
percent across Scott Robertson's time as all Black Sea coach.
Only Rassi Erasmus of South Africa has a better winning
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percentage among international coaches. So I think a lot of
people are saying, hey, well, how can you get rid
of a guy who's got effectively a seventy five percent
winning record? So it has to go diger than that.
And I listened carefully to David Kirk's press conference on
Thursday when he was answering questions about this decision, and
a couple of words stood out. One was trajectory. They
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don't believe they're on the right three. And then one
was a phrase when he said, this team is not
on track, so clearly within the high performance environment and
certainly within the playing group. Off the end of what
I understand was a pretty scathing review at the end
of the end of view tour or the end of
the end of View tour, they've decided change is needed
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if they are to get back on track and to
and to send the trajectory in the in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Do you think player power has something to do with us?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I think that's the wrong phrase. I think the players
certainly have something to do with. When you talk about
player power, often you get the negative connotation of of,
you know, the lunatics running the asylum. If you like,
you know that the players are there to play. They're
not the one to select the coach. They do what
the coach sets out for them. But these are high
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performing all blacks Andy who have been in and around
this team, many of them for close to a decade,
and they know when things are not right, and that
clearly is is the message that's come through. Depending on
who you who you believe, and who you listen to.
I heard our colleague at tv INS, Andrew Savill, say
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today that he understand that ninety percent of the playing
group we're not in favor of Scott Robertson continuing, not
in favor of the way he was running the team. Look,
when you've lost ninety percent of your dressing room, there
really isn't a way forward. So look, player power, I
think has been a fairly convenient phrase to be thrown
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around for those who want to see something sinister in
all of this. Those players have a limited window to
be successful in their rugby careers, and the last thing
they want is for that ambition to be in any
way stymied by the coaching that they are receiving. So yeah,
I think certainly the player feedback formed a large part
(14:41):
of this decision. But to say that somehow the players
pushed their coach out is factually incorrect because you know,
if the board had wanted to, if David Kirk had
wanted to, they could have you know, said okay, well
look we take your feedback on board. The we're going
to stick with our man. They didn't do that. So yeah,
it formed a part of it. But I don't like
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the phrase player power.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I mean, you think there was there was only three
losses last year, but the concern seems to be the
manner of the losses. Would that be fair?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeap, very fair. Look, I think the hiding in Wellington
and that's you know, the only way you can describe
it in South Africa was you know, that really laid
bare a lot of problems within that side. And also
really the almost afterwards that was almost as concerning, when
you know, coach and captain in front of the media
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were just completely unable to explain what had happened. And
then you know, the lost to England at the back
end of the year. I think that was almost like
the last straw, if you like. Look if they won
that game and completed a Grand Slam, would would raise
still be there? I guess you could say maybe, but
I think by that stage things have got to a
(15:56):
point where, you know, where there were serious questions. So yes,
the other loss, of course, was away in Argentina. Look,
this team had some very good wins under Razor, the
first Test against South Africa up in Ackland, a terrific performance,
you know, twos over Ireland, including a really really good
performance in Dublin in twenty twenty four. But I think
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what we've seen, Andy is that the results have papered
over some pretty large cracks in that All Blacks kingdom.
And when those cracks appear, it's often the man at
the top of the tree who has to part to
allow them to be fixed. And that's exactly what's happened here.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Now we start the merrygo around regarding the next coaching person. Now, Pinty,
I mean Jamie Joseph is the name you're hearing bandied
around there trying to get Tony Brown involved with him,
though he sounds like he's locked down in South Africa.
He got very kind of Joe Schmid. I mean, there's
a lot of good coaches out there, and I don't
know where you really start to go through this process.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, it's a very good point because there'll be a
few hands up for it. There'll be others whose names
have been thrown into the conversation who I'm sure don't
have any real desire to get involved. Just on the
Jamie Joseph one, he appears to be the front runner,
But I feel as though Jamie Joseph without Tony Brown
is a very different proposition from Jamie Joseph with Tony Brown,
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and they worked. They worked very well, you know, in
harmony with one another. Yeah, I've seen all of the
stuff out of South Africa. I haven't seen anything official
from Tony Brown himself to say I'm definitely staying until
twenty twenty seven. And look, contracts as we know, and
I can get out of them if you want to.
(17:40):
In a funny old way, I think if Tony Brown
went to rasci Erasmus and said, hey, I've got this
opportunity to coach the All Blacks, rasci Erasmus would probably
let him go.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
He knows Tony Brown, and he knows how deep Tony
Brown's desire is to one day coach the All Blacks.
I've been trying to get inside Tony Brown's head ever
since this happened, and Jamie Joseph's name has been in
and around the conversation, and I really don't know what
he would be thinking. A huge part of him, I'm
sure would think, Okay, well, if I throw my lot
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and with Jamie, we're likely to be in the next
All Blacks coaching group, something I've always wanted, you know,
That's one way I could go. Or I could stay
with South Africa, this juggern Order World Rugby, try and
win another World Cup in two years and then that
role back at the All Blacks will still be there
for me. So yeah, if it's not Jamie, I quite
like the idea of Dave Rennie being involved. A guy
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with international experience at Australia treated dreadfully by Rugby Australia
when he was let go for them to get Eddie
Jones back, and we know what a dumps to fire
that turn into. So I like the idea of Dave
Rennie being involved. Joe Schmidt clearly has a lot of
you know, a lot of rugby IQ, whether he's the
head coach or just in and around the team. You know,
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it won't just be one guy, and it'll be a
team of coaches who who have to work in harmony
to make sure that the playing group are getting clear messaging,
honest communication and to be fair, the buck has to
stop at their head coach and I'm not sure that
was always the case internally anyway, when conversations were to
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be had at the All Blacks underscore Robertson just.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
To wrap up Piney the black Caps securing their first
ever ODI Series win in India, donate attempts. We can
underestimate how big this is for the cricketing landscape.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Amazing news to wake up to this morning that the
New Zealand side had done this. And you know, winning
a One Day Series in India is hard enough anyway,
you know, no New Zealand team's ever done it in
the previous seven attempts. But to do it with a
severely undermanned side, a hugely inexperienced side rarely you know,
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against a pretty decent Indian outfit on Indian tracks is remarkable. Really,
It's a massive feather in their caps when a lot
of those players as well, and you must remember have
Harp and I on the T twenty World Cup. The
one day series was almost a bit of an inconvenience really,
but they went over there and look, you have to
make mention of Darrell Mitchell and what he has done
(20:10):
in the series. Two big hundreds and another score of
eighty four, a strike rate of over one hundred. You know,
a complete all purpose cricketer for New Zealand, Daryl Mitchell.
So yeah, massive feather in the cap of those who
are involved.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Now we turn our attention to the five match T
twenty series against India and the T twenty World Cup
to come. But this has to be a huge confidence
boost for the black Caps, those who are staying and
the coaching staff as well as they look look ahead
to the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
In a month or so.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Jason Pine of News talks'd be weekend sports hosts. We
can hear you amusing tonight as well from seven pm.
Always appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, love it, Andy, You look forward to catching up
again soon.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Grand Is us McMaster farms on the edge of lake Walk,
a trip at Close Friends Station and joins us at
Association where spatman on the team at Abbey Rural Disaster.
Good afternoon, good.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Afternoon, any, good afternoon, everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Well that was not so much as a good afternoon.
I mean you've found the dridded f on the lambs.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
I have the dreaded fly strike on the on our
rising over over the Hills block. So yeah, I haven't come.
I haven't seen much at Kloster in thank goodness. And
although you know it's probably it's been a reasonable season
for it with the rain. But on this arise over
the Hills block though, they were shorn late November, so
(21:34):
there's not very much small on them at all. But
we're we're shifting them yesterday and also shifting us and
used with single lambs to go back for weaning on
on Friday morning. And I had to shift these hogits
out of the way and I saw one for the
fly strike. So we got the US and lambs into
the into the yard and the cattle yards and and
(21:57):
went back and for the for these two days and
behind to come back today with a bit of the
magic mago. And but there's about five that have got
it now and as I say, not a Scareca, but
dag near them any Dagnelm's Brian when he gets the
muster of them. So no, so that's the mago out
today and probably have to look at i'd say, running
and through the dip somewhere along the line. So we're
(22:20):
just speaking of there the logistics of when you're farming
another property that hasn't got a lot of hasn't got
a lot of you know, permanent yards and wallshead and
things like that you sort of take for granted and
prinsic example over here yesterday these one hundred and thirty
years and one hundred and twenty eight lambs. So it's
a bit of a lay actually one hundred and twenty.
(22:41):
But we you know the crackers the transports that he said,
but you better draft them off. And I thought we
might have been able to do it in the in
the caddle yards come their yards, but not for those
paranels of the open house. So in the end we've
ended up taking them, drafting them as they went up
onto the line and there's only truck glowed so and
if we didn't get them to separate, it was going
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to be two trips in this truck and you know
that's about that's about two airs a truck. It's just
the way the traffic it. So I was just thinking
to myself, you know, you take for granted all the
everything you've got in your own place, and you know
you would have just whip them through the yards, taken
them off and likes these seat today that have a
fly struck just in and threw them up in the
grating and you're pulling them over and dirt outside, and
(23:24):
you could have given them a bit of a bloody
crutch or a share and what have you. So it's, yeah,
it's all very well having these places, but those the
little things that you think we'll just do that, they
become the big things. And not that it's a massive issue,
but it's you know, we'll obviously you have to have
to get someone in to dip them and set the
prattles up and what have you, which is right at
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the time when we're weaning and mustering at the moment,
so it doesn't rain, while as we know, it does
rain and a pause, but just one of those things
without appeal, isn't.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It having a set of Pratley's as well, especially for
drenching and the like's works. Would they work the head
if you took them over there and try to do
it that way or is it a matter of being
there and then at the moment, like.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
What's the what's the keddle yards we have that are
off the off a great off the deer shed which
is an old hay barn, its inverted and it's got
the race up the side and the crush, so you
can we can do it drenching there with the with
the animals, but you can't dropt because you've just got
the crush at the end. So and you get about
thirty thirty in at a time, but you know that's
(24:26):
fine for the drenching, and obviously when we tail over
here it's you know, we have the pratleys and but
it's just the little things like little fly strike or
things like that that makes it a bit more difficult.
So but we'll, yeah, well we'll get by.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We're saying off ear as well. Nothing like flying down
cam Street with a dozen lambs on the back of
the trailer that you've got to go home and fix up.
When you're going through the middle of a tourist result,
it's probably a bit different to a back road towards
White Guya.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, exactly, especially to put some of the omego. And
I'll be jumping out like bloody fried rice as we
went past the Thurgburger.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
So it might call a few people.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
There'll be one country they wouldn't so but no, it's
just it's one of those things. And then and then
the other thing is John, my grandson, who has been
helping me, said I we'll have to get some mago
from the vet. I said, well, they don't stop mago
at the vet clubs up around and around Queenstown. So
things like that you've got to get, you know, from Cromwell.
And there's always defenses coming over. If someone comes over,
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you can get it. But it's you know, and we've
had it on stop, thank goodness. But it might be
more than the mago's need. And I think it's going
to have to be, you know, be the we'll have
to get the dipping done a bit quicker.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Well, just that's where you're farming in central Like you say,
when you've got those shops that aren't available nice and handy,
you've almost got a plan to hit. I suppose yeah
you do.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
And and we you know, we have done but I've
used the whole bloody tin of it this morning, so no,
you do. And that's just that's just one of those
things that you've got to do. And I guess that
in fairness of the vets up here, they're not you know,
they don't have a lot of infantry and that you're
not getting paid for. And the number of tons of
maga that chews would be probably zero. But I'll have
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to get a bit of penicillin for a couple of
these Jews too, and and see how it goes. But
you know, a couple of them aren't good. The rest
will be all right. But it's it's it's this. You know,
it's quite hot now, very very hot yesterday and it
certainly hasn't been hermid hasn't been humid at all. It's
been quite In fact, the other morning yesterday morning there
was just on the on the verge of a frost.
(26:27):
So but a beautiful day, yes they and a good
one today. So yeah, things things are drying up a
little bit, not nothing, you know, not not be worried
about this, meaning natural in the in the atmosphere, so
to speak, so you know, just having a good look
to one of those blocks today And I said before,
you know, I've never seen too much clove, and I
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can just reiterate that with blocksmen in this morning. Getting
using lambs out of its incredible. So yet it's you've
got to you know, you get you get the clove
and you get the draft and get your bathe it's
made and you got to deal with that little straight
in green fry fly. It's just part of it's part
of what's made the season so good. I guess, you know,
it's hard. You know, years ago and and we may
(27:09):
explain about this before, but you know, years ago, if
there were DAGs on you, that's that was. That might
have been fly blind or if a U was cast
and you but late, well you know you got to it.
But it was it was never heard of sort of
getting blown in the back of it, you know, blowing
them right in the back of the back along the
back was it. And it was not a scare dag
or anything on it. So yeah, little buggers.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, especially when they've only been short a couple of
months exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
So that's you know, I was, I was pretty village
vigilant this morning when you're getting close to some of
these views that you know you they've been all spread
out of hell blocks and as they were going through
I haven't seen any of they use at home home
with it. And so but as I say, we will,
wean on Thursday and straight out our dog Closs on
the at my Tangi weekend. We'll be sharing them and
(27:57):
they you know, they got six months along, but you
know these Bundy Hoggins have only got two months, so
there'll be something out there. We'll Tony Prideal get that
that magic ivers on the race tomorrow on not Thursday,
and get those out and we'll get those tidied up.
And yeah, we might have to get town up.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
With earlier to do the do the deb Yeah means
means muster's just what you got to do in this game, disaster.
We'll let you carry on. Good luck with that flybedle
this afternoon.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Okay, thanks Andy, and a lovely day by by you know,
by all means and say it so as yet though
I said you off here was the first time i'd
sort of got on the summer and had needed a
couple of studies, so straight up to work. So that
was a good part of the day. But yeah, there
you take.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The god with the man, haven't you exactly granted next week?
Appreciate it, okay, look forward to it. Thanks for joining us.
This is the muster on hak and Nui. Eric Roy,
former MP environmentself and counselor, amongst other hats he still wears,
(28:59):
done plenty of things over the years, and joins us
once again. Eric, Good afternoon and welcome here.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Good afternoon, and best wishes to all our listeners out
there for twenty twenty six. Leads Op, it's a cracker year.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
That's the thing. We've just got to have the glass
half full scenario, especially in a rural sense, and it's
going to be a massive year for politics in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
It absolutely is. And I think that's probably a positive
and a negative depending on how it all works out,
because there's clearly been a bit of a shift in
the way things are happening now economically, and they talked
about green shoots. Now we're starting to see a bit
of growth and I just hope that we can bank
(29:43):
that and keep going forward and that we don't revert
back to some silly policies that aren't bankable, that we
can't afford. And I just yeah, I just think, you know,
Thank goodness, we've turned a bit of a corner. Let's
keep it going. So that's the first positive that's there,
and yeah, we'll just see where it breaks. But people
(30:07):
are funny when it comes to that orange pen in
the electoral box. People are funny, That's all I can say.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Because interesting listening to commentary over the last couple of days.
These days, you're not going to see one of the
major parties labor on national going to the forties or
their voter such gets canibalized by the smaller parties as such.
So this is what m MP is going to present
to us going forward.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
You're absolutely right, and I see lux and the saying
this is a mature MMP environment, but it's one I'm
not that really comfortable with because you know, you can't
actually come out and state policy with any clarity, like
we've got lux And saying we need to have a
(30:53):
look at the age of super and then we know
Winston won't truck with at all. So it makes it
very very difficult to get clarity about what policy is
actually out there.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Raising the agency perannuation is there going to be a
big topic this year?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Well, well, the NATS have said that we need to
look at it, so they probably need to be having
a discussion with Labor and get a cross party decision
on that, because I don't think that the team New
Zealand First are going to buy into it. So it's
going to be very difficult to do anything. But everybody's
(31:33):
saying it needs to be addressed, and it's a complex issue,
and it's a bigger issue than just actually saying we're
going to raise the issue. There's got to be other
ways in which funding and other options that are out there,
and you know, various service schemes and other things are
going to have to come in to pick up that slack.
So it's quite a complex issue.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, the big thing for the government this year is
we're being told time and again going to see these
green shoots as it gets phrased over time now for
goodness sake, but we're going to see it regarding the
economy and it needs to occur.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
It does, and I think it's happening. I do, and
I think, you know, from an agricultural point of view,
I'm just absolutely delighted that we've got some return now
because it's been a bit of a drought for quite
a while and if you look around the world, all
of all of the big countries that contribute red meat
(32:29):
into the market or they all have been on the
decline or on the rebuild. So I think we've got
three or four years when we can sort of say
things are going to give us some solid sort of
background to making decisions in going forward. And if you
look at New Zealand's economy, about one hundred and two
(32:50):
billion dollars worth of exports, sixty two billion of those
is from primary produce, so that is their business. So
you know, that's to drive the economy quite significantly, that
sort of revenue coming in.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Regarding the situation where Donald Trump and well now he
was to go to Greenland for goodness sakes, what does
this means to New Zealand and economic sense?
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Well, he's the rogue. He's an absolute rogue. We've never
seen a world leader like him before. And he's just
a boy. And I hope he's listening.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
My Heart radio. Anything's possible, yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Or he should be tuned into the muster there. You know,
there's just no compelling reason to make the decisions he's
making other than he thinks he's the most important person
in the world. And he's going to make all the
decisions and everybody else can just lump it. And so
the tariff thing is really the big negative that's out there,
(33:50):
because you've only got to say something to offend him
or not do what he says, and whack, oh, you
get twenty percent or fifteen percent or whatever tariff he
thinks a suitable punishment for you. And that could be
the big negative that's sitting out there around our primary produce.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's the crazy thing with Trump. One stroke of the
pen and your economy can be buggered. That's just what
you're facing with this guy. And it's not right.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Well, look, we worked out in the nineteen eighties that
tariffs didn't serve any kind of beneficial purpose whatsoever, and
we cut clean out of that. And as a small
trading nation, we believe that trade and free access and
all of that is significantly important. And there's plenty of
commentators around the world will tell you that free trade
(34:41):
is the greatest peace elixa that's out there. The greatest
formula for keeping world peace is giving people option to markets.
That's what's out there. And we've got Trump operating as
a rogue saying I'm the only person that's important.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Well, based on that our agreement with India that got
rid offied or just we've got the tech as such.
Just before Christmas, Eric, this is a great thing for
New Zealand. There has been a long time in the
making and it hasn't been easy work.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Now it hasn't. India is just a real growth market.
There's probably going to be within a decade four hundred
and fifty middle class Indian people that want access to
the sort of products that we produce. And whilst it
didn't really take in the sort of dairy sector in
(35:30):
the way that some people would have liked, what we
did is made a start and those things can be
renegotiated further down the line. But you've got to be
at the table and you've got to be in there
to what's going to be one of the most significant
markets in the world. So I say well done to
Todd McClay and the team for getting that across the line.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
As far as the Middle East, is that where we
need to focus on.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Next, well, we've got to spread there, spread there, you know,
our markets for wherever we can and we don't need
to be too China dependent or we don't need to
be too us dependent, particularly with the terror threat. So look,
it's a matter of just finding out what we do
(36:14):
and what we produce is something quite unique and quite special.
It's not a big part of the world we meet
trade or the agricultural sector by and large, but there
are people out there who want it. We need to
find them and we need to drive those trading agreements
that give us access to the markets exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Hey, good only Eric. We always appreciate your time on
the Muster and we'll catch up again.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Good luck.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Thanks, welcome back to the Muster.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
The Boys of Summer by Don Henley arguably a summer
to remember. Whether wise next guest, will we tell us,
we'll be able to tell us that more than anybody.
He's walking to the Leaks in New Zealand. His name
is Shane Beckon. He's calling it Shane's Walk to raise
awareness for the aftermath of suicide. We catched this afternoon.
He started at Cokura this morning's he's heading his way
(37:16):
south through Canterbury. Shane, good afternoon and welcome to the Muster.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Thank you any that's good to be here.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, Look, firstly, how's it going.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
I'm not gonna lie. It's definitely not easy. Yeah, the
body's taken a real hammering, but the support has been
amazing and it's actually really helped get.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Me through because it's as much a mental game as
a physical game. This I suppose, yes, it.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Is sort of.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
I can peel out the first fifty k relatively easy,
not real easy it days, but it's the last fifteen that, Yeah,
it really becomes a mental thing and you're really talking
yourself and so keeping ongoing. But you know the reason
for the cause that is strong enough for.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Me to carry on.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
So we'll talk about the cause very shortly. But you
look at about sixty to seventy kilometers a day, is
that correct?
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Trying to do sixty five a day, the average has
ended up being fifty five.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Just with how things started.
Speaker 8 (38:21):
We couldn't find campgrounds and parking up areas for staying
overnight just with the New Year period, so that was
a real challenge.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So what did you do there? Just sleep on the
side of the road.
Speaker 8 (38:33):
Yeah, rooftop tens and a swag. A couple of people
have taken us in as well, which was amazing. Some
last minute blockings and yeah, so no, pretty it was
tough times. It was definitely hard dealing with that while
you're walking too, h You.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Talk about tough times though and the rest now behind this,
Walkshane just explain what was a catalyst?
Speaker 8 (38:59):
So yeah, just worth having lost in our family.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Extended family.
Speaker 8 (39:07):
The help isn't around later on down the track is
sort of what set this in motion.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
And.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Same all the way up or down the country. As
the people agree, it's quite devastating.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So it's more around support for people who are left behind.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Yes, yes, so I want to create a community, even
if it's just a coffee group for people to let
them know that they're not alone and just have a yarn.
And I'm also open to other ideas around that scenario.
Obviously I don't have all the answers, but talking seems
(39:51):
to be a big thing and we're all too scared
to do it.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Is that just because of our stoic persona as kiwis.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
I think so, and definitely in males and men in general,
But it would be nice to get the young ones
talking too. You know they're dealing with it just as
much as appearance.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
So do you have a total in mind? Did you
hope to raise.
Speaker 8 (40:18):
I did, and then so I sort of thought five
thousand and talking to a few people, they were like, ah,
that's not enough and we're over that now. So anything
over and above, I'm hoping to help more communities. So
go outside of the area and yeah, just keep on going.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Really, and how's the support been as you started at
kate Ri yinger as the publics have been behind you,
do you say yes?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (40:46):
Well really it started off amazing being up the top
and I guess everyone heading in to kate Ring has
seen us walking, and then by the time they were
coming out, they knew what we were doing. And I
would say almost seven out of ten cars tooting, waving, clapping, yeah,
people pulling over. As we got the weave, it further
(41:08):
down and it spread wide.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It was that dinner the.
Speaker 8 (41:11):
Trucks, the big rigs, double the tooting and support, big waves.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's amazing.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
It puts another spring in your step.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
So how do you get around likes of the motorway
scenario through walkland I think Wellington and the likes looking
on your posts, you just got to navigate that anyway.
You've got to suppose.
Speaker 8 (41:31):
Yes, yeah, so the expressways and that we're fine. And
then as you got to one hundred and ten. Obviously,
we got kicked off the other day, but it was
polite and it was getting to the end where we
needed to jump off anyway, and the support car it
helps immensely. We've got a radio.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
He radios ahead and.
Speaker 8 (41:50):
Lets me know when there's traffic coming and things like that.
We're just navigating the narrow roads south of Ka Kora
and yeah, it's actually been really helpful.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
So how far are you hoping to go today?
Speaker 8 (42:01):
Hoping to get to Chevy at I'm going to have
the wind up my ass apparently this afternoon, but also
a lot of showers, so we're making the most of
this light drizzle at the moment.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
So when do you hope to make it down to Bluff.
Speaker 8 (42:19):
I'm hoping around the fourth to the sixth of February.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
That's not that far away. You're actually making pretty good time.
Truths to be known.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
Yeah, Well, as it started, I looked up my Strava
on the first day and I was like, wow, we
covered some good ground and then I zoomed out and
it was a little die. I'm not going to do
that again. But yeah, the kids that my kids that
are at daycare They've got a we map in New
Zealand and they've got a week picture of me and they.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Move me awesome every couple of days.
Speaker 8 (42:50):
And yeah, it's quite motivating.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
So how many pairs of shoes do you think you'll
go through?
Speaker 5 (42:55):
I'm hoping just the two.
Speaker 8 (42:58):
I'm wearing two and I alternate them with as one
peer gets wet, jump into the dry pier the following
day and to let them sort of reform.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So when you train for something like this, do you train?
Can you train for it?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Not on the distance.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
I think the distance is more of a mental game.
I had been doing some smaller walks nine and a
half k's daily, but yeah, I talked to another ultra
marathon walker and he's done this mission before and he said,
it's just something that you've just got to do.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You can't train.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
So how do you pass the time during the day.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Well, actually, I've got ear pods in, but I don't
listen to music. I only have one in so I
can still hear the traffic coming. And I haven't been
listening to music or anything, just purely so I can
hear the traffic and my crew car. But I've just
sit inside my own head and I've effectually get a
(44:01):
few issues, and you know, I'm feeling a lot better
for it.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
So okay, shame people are listening to this thinking where
can I contribute? We can I help out? Where do
they go? And follow your map?
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Well?
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Actually when you get further down south as well, encourage you.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (44:16):
So there is my Facebook page of Strange Walk to
raise awareness all the aftermaths of suicide, and there is
a link to the give a Little page on that.
Some people have been having issues with that, but you
can go on to the give a Little page and
look up that same title.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Hey, Shane Dicken, all the best on your trip down south.
We're going to catch up with you and keep tabs
on your journey. You're doing a great job for a
greater cause. We wish you all the best and we
will catch up again.
Speaker 8 (44:45):
Thank you very much, Bendy.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
What's not a harder strangers Shane Dick in there. What
a great story making his way down to to Bluff
from Kate rieing it but all for a great cause.
That's us over in Dublin. Thanks very much for your company.
My name is Andy Mure. This has been the best
of the muster, enjoy the weekend. We'll see you Monday.
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