April 12, 2026 • 10 mins
Eric Roy says why he thinks it is a no brainer when it comes to signing the Indian Free Trade Agreement.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to the musterro and Hakanui. Eric Royd joins
us in the poitical round up for a Monday Afternoon
affording MP been involved in New Zealand pork pork board
that is, amongst other things, get.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
A Eric afternoon. All very carry up here at Kiana
and nice warm Nain today just to keep a very
unusually good season or growth going. So we're all very happy.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Well, you guys up there, you can hear the tacker
growing just about.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh yeah, it's not embarrassing, it's just good. So it's
not criticized here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean what is a bit of cringe worthy at
the moment, though, Eric, is the fact that New Zealand
forest isn't leading its support towards this Indian free trade agreement.
Everybody's on board with it in the rural sector, walls
in New Zealand for example, getting on board and they're
just saying, get this done thing signed. It's got to happen.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, well, I absolutely agree. On one of my trips
selling education in India, I met an Indian man that
wanted to buy New Zealand's total wal clip and he
was frustrated. There'll be ten twelve years ago, I suppose,
and so we've missed all those opportunities that are there.
And look, it's not just Winston. I'm not sure why,
(01:18):
because when it comes to trade, the two main parties,
National and Labor worked pretty much in sync. And Damien's
a very experienced politician and we need him to sort
of rattle a few chains in that carcuse and say, listen,
stop blaming politics. We know it's an election year, but
you're not winning yourselves any favors by delaying. And you
(01:40):
can when Todd mcclay's negotiated this very carefully and very
energetically over quite a period of time, as starting to say,
I'm frustrated when he's supplying answers and they come up
with more questions and the prevarication, and coupled with election
year and the whole it's just very unfortunate timing. And
(02:02):
we all know come to an election, Winston will go
anti foreign. It doesn't matter what the flavor of that
anti foreign is, that's what he will do. And so
this trade thing has given him an opportunity to go
anti foreign again, and he's got a catchment of people
that want to hear him say that, so we can't
(02:24):
rely on him, but we should be able to rely
on labor who we have worked with. When I say, well,
when I was in government, there was a done thing,
and when a trade minister went overseas, he frequently took
like Tim Grocer would take the trade spokesman to Labor
with him and they are in the room when the
negotiations were being done. You know, it's just nonsensical that
(02:47):
we've got all this delay.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So it's a hold up. Is it all regarding vasos
for Indians to New Zealand or something?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Now the hold up is an election year and people
are trying to find media space to make themselves look
very good and very very conscientious.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
But this is Winston being Winston.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, Winston's going to do that that labor are doing
it too. So there's enough folks in labor to get
this thing over the line, and they're going to have
to live with it anyway, and they're going to have
to live with a whole lot of people saying you've
cost us several billion dollars by prevaricating and not letting
this go through. Let's get on and get it done.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Worst case scenario around the syric if it doesn't go through,
what happens, Well.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's just well, there is a great trait that's happening now,
so that you've got to let him going in through
Katara and some of the states and being rendered as
this it's us on We shouldn't talk about that, but
that's what we I don't know if that were still happening.
That happened a while ago. But what we what's going
to happen if it doesn't go through, is we're missing
(03:54):
an opportunity now right now. If you look at what
we do in New Zealand, we are primary producing the
exporting nation sixty percent of our farm trade. That's what
it is. Now, we've got limitations on being able to
produce more where we're pretty much mixed out and what
we're doing with with production actually on the decline because
(04:16):
of some unconsidered policy of our pilot credits and keys
being kind actually going down. So how do we actually
earn more of sixty percent of our FIGN exports. We
do that by increasing what we're selling to the upper
class market. We've got four hundred and fifty million upper
(04:39):
class Indians wanting to buy our product, and we've got
a couple of political parties thinking that it's important that
they look good in an addiction year. It's just nonsentical.
Well do will be other opportunities as well. You know,
this is the second big well so, the biggest population
in the world, second biggest number of millionaires, biggest number
(05:01):
of middle class people, four hundred and fifty million, more
of them in Indian than there is in the USA now,
and they want our product. Let's get the thing signed.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Hey, yeah, do you think there's much in the story
back then? Gmps are getting a little bit touchy because,
based on poll numbers, around eleven national imps could be
gone out of a job later on this year. Do
you think there's any basis around that?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Oh, there's always there's always talk, but I don't think
there's any any intention to do anything dramatic. They're just
going to have to work a bit harder. And I
think if you look at what Luxeon did with his
cabinet reshuffle, you know much in all of someone like
Chris Bishop is a very talented and capable guy. He
(05:44):
kind of got wrong the intensification of settlements in the
Nauta walkland that got out of favor with everybody up there,
and so he needed to be removed from that and
probably have a wig got a smack on the pence
so that we're not going to see a change or
we will see a change of government if the existing
(06:06):
party and on the tuesury benches can't actually win Auckland.
And so I think that had a lot to do
with what that reshuffle was about. And I think also
you will see that. I think another point Rachel Smalley
coming in to assist the Auckland and the Prime Minister
with messaging into Auckland so that there's a conscious effort
(06:30):
that we've got to do better in Auckland. And of
course when you have a recession, the last place to
get games out of it is Auckland. We are eighteen
months a year ahead with you know, we're having a
spike in what's actually happened the economically in the provinces,
and the first one to go is South and the
(06:50):
last one to come through with the benefit of that
spike is Auckland. And so they are kind of hurting
and they want to be loved and they want people
to pay attention to them. So that's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
James Megan missing out on cabinet though that was a surprise.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well well yes, and though like everybody can't, we got
Penny in there. That's the South Island MP getting in there.
And I'll tell you what I was delighted to see
Mike Butterick go up. I went to a presentation when
they're talking about some of the stuff. So we've just
been talking about now trade and agriculture and the importance
(07:27):
of it, and that guy really impressed me. He just
spoke sense. He's got a head around the issues. So
I think having another rural person in there, although they're
not in cabinet, but they're having a minister outside cabinet
with responsibilities and he's kind of been earmark for future promotion,
where says James Meaga, he'll get his opportunity. These are
two first term MPs and it's very unusual to have
(07:50):
first term MPs get into cabinet.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But if they're good enough, they're good enough too. Though
war can't you.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's rare,
and you know the focuses on those areas that polling
is saying we need to do better.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now, the media response around this COVID situation, this inquiry.
I mean, we're seeing a lot around to sender ARDRN
at the moment, famous and infamous, both sides of the story,
I suppose. But what do you make of the response
regarding the COVID inquiry.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, I thought it was pretty much heartbeat really and
I'm very disappointed in the media didn't pick it up.
I just start, you know, I had some responsibilities in
the meat industry report when they closed butcher shops, and
some of the rationale behind that was just nonsensical and
it didn't matter what you see it or did. People
just did not listen. They listened to some microbiologists who
(08:45):
had no idea at all about how the retail retail
trade works in New Zealand. But I am very disappointed
that the media is totally ignored the fact that this
at myocardial issue with teenagers has just been overlooked. And
I think what can said I forgot about that or
something in as there or who was Minister of Health
(09:05):
and Chris Hipkins should be held to account. Some of
my grandchildren were injected with that stuff and if they've
got second died, look, I'd be rovable and that chances
that could have happened and they were breathed by health
and they did nothing about it, and that there needs
to be a bit more accountability with media when you've
got something as important as that and they've totally ignored it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, you did right. There are one thing I we'll
say for Winston. Peter's compared to the Nanayama, who'sa he's
done ten times a job that she did as far
as trade.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Oh no, you're understanding it. He didn't do the job.
And he's been probably one of our foreign affairs ministers
that we've had in a long long time. He understands
and he's experienced, he gets on well with people. He's
prepared to travel for a man of his age. Yeah,
he's on this, Johnny on the Spot. It's just a
(09:59):
pity that it's an election year when we're going to
do this.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It's not as first rodeo. Eric Roy. Always appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Thanks very much, Eric Roy.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Talking a lot of scenes as well as he normally does.
You're listening to the Master and Hakanui. Up next, Hillary
Hillary Copelan from Benamin Crookshank Pride to Lawyers
Welcome back to the musterro and Hakanui. Eric Royd joins
us in the poitical round up for a Monday Afternoon
affording MP been involved in New Zealand pork pork board
that is, amongst other things, get.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
A Eric afternoon. All very carry up here at Kiana
and nice warm Nain today just to keep a very
unusually good season or growth going. So we're all very happy.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Well, you guys up there, you can hear the tacker
growing just about.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh yeah, it's not embarrassing, it's just good. So it's
not criticized here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean what is a bit of cringe worthy at
the moment, though, Eric, is the fact that New Zealand
forest isn't leading its support towards this Indian free trade agreement.
Everybody's on board with it in the rural sector, walls
in New Zealand for example, getting on board and they're
just saying, get this done thing signed. It's got to happen.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, well, I absolutely agree. On one of my trips
selling education in India, I met an Indian man that
wanted to buy New Zealand's total wal clip and he
was frustrated. There'll be ten twelve years ago, I suppose,
and so we've missed all those opportunities that are there.
And look, it's not just Winston. I'm not sure why,
(01:18):
because when it comes to trade, the two main parties,
National and Labor worked pretty much in sync. And Damien's
a very experienced politician and we need him to sort
of rattle a few chains in that carcuse and say, listen,
stop blaming politics. We know it's an election year, but
you're not winning yourselves any favors by delaying. And you
(01:40):
can when Todd mcclay's negotiated this very carefully and very
energetically over quite a period of time, as starting to say,
I'm frustrated when he's supplying answers and they come up
with more questions and the prevarication, and coupled with election
year and the whole it's just very unfortunate timing. And
(02:02):
we all know come to an election, Winston will go
anti foreign. It doesn't matter what the flavor of that
anti foreign is, that's what he will do. And so
this trade thing has given him an opportunity to go
anti foreign again, and he's got a catchment of people
that want to hear him say that, so we can't
(02:24):
rely on him, but we should be able to rely
on labor who we have worked with. When I say, well,
when I was in government, there was a done thing,
and when a trade minister went overseas, he frequently took
like Tim Grocer would take the trade spokesman to Labor
with him and they are in the room when the
negotiations were being done. You know, it's just nonsensical that
(02:47):
we've got all this delay.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So it's a hold up. Is it all regarding vasos
for Indians to New Zealand or something?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Now the hold up is an election year and people
are trying to find media space to make themselves look
very good and very very conscientious.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
But this is Winston being Winston.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, Winston's going to do that that labor are doing
it too. So there's enough folks in labor to get
this thing over the line, and they're going to have
to live with it anyway, and they're going to have
to live with a whole lot of people saying you've
cost us several billion dollars by prevaricating and not letting
this go through. Let's get on and get it done.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Worst case scenario around the syric if it doesn't go through,
what happens, Well.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's just well, there is a great trait that's happening now,
so that you've got to let him going in through
Katara and some of the states and being rendered as
this it's us on We shouldn't talk about that, but
that's what we I don't know if that were still happening.
That happened a while ago. But what we what's going
to happen if it doesn't go through, is we're missing
(03:54):
an opportunity now right now. If you look at what
we do in New Zealand, we are primary producing the
exporting nation sixty percent of our farm trade. That's what
it is. Now, we've got limitations on being able to
produce more where we're pretty much mixed out and what
we're doing with with production actually on the decline because
(04:16):
of some unconsidered policy of our pilot credits and keys
being kind actually going down. So how do we actually
earn more of sixty percent of our FIGN exports. We
do that by increasing what we're selling to the upper
class market. We've got four hundred and fifty million upper
(04:39):
class Indians wanting to buy our product, and we've got
a couple of political parties thinking that it's important that
they look good in an addiction year. It's just nonsentical.
Well do will be other opportunities as well. You know,
this is the second big well so, the biggest population
in the world, second biggest number of millionaires, biggest number
(05:01):
of middle class people, four hundred and fifty million, more
of them in Indian than there is in the USA now,
and they want our product. Let's get the thing signed.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Hey, yeah, do you think there's much in the story
back then? Gmps are getting a little bit touchy because,
based on poll numbers, around eleven national imps could be
gone out of a job later on this year. Do
you think there's any basis around that?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Oh, there's always there's always talk, but I don't think
there's any any intention to do anything dramatic. They're just
going to have to work a bit harder. And I
think if you look at what Luxeon did with his
cabinet reshuffle, you know much in all of someone like
Chris Bishop is a very talented and capable guy. He
(05:44):
kind of got wrong the intensification of settlements in the
Nauta walkland that got out of favor with everybody up there,
and so he needed to be removed from that and
probably have a wig got a smack on the pence
so that we're not going to see a change or
we will see a change of government if the existing
(06:06):
party and on the tuesury benches can't actually win Auckland.
And so I think that had a lot to do
with what that reshuffle was about. And I think also
you will see that. I think another point Rachel Smalley
coming in to assist the Auckland and the Prime Minister
with messaging into Auckland so that there's a conscious effort
(06:30):
that we've got to do better in Auckland. And of
course when you have a recession, the last place to
get games out of it is Auckland. We are eighteen
months a year ahead with you know, we're having a
spike in what's actually happened the economically in the provinces,
and the first one to go is South and the
(06:50):
last one to come through with the benefit of that
spike is Auckland. And so they are kind of hurting
and they want to be loved and they want people
to pay attention to them. So that's what's happening.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
James Megan missing out on cabinet though that was a surprise.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well well yes, and though like everybody can't, we got
Penny in there. That's the South Island MP getting in there.
And I'll tell you what I was delighted to see
Mike Butterick go up. I went to a presentation when
they're talking about some of the stuff. So we've just
been talking about now trade and agriculture and the importance
(07:27):
of it, and that guy really impressed me. He just
spoke sense. He's got a head around the issues. So
I think having another rural person in there, although they're
not in cabinet, but they're having a minister outside cabinet
with responsibilities and he's kind of been earmark for future promotion,
where says James Meaga, he'll get his opportunity. These are
two first term MPs and it's very unusual to have
(07:50):
first term MPs get into cabinet.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But if they're good enough, they're good enough too. Though
war can't you.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's rare,
and you know the focuses on those areas that polling
is saying we need to do better.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now, the media response around this COVID situation, this inquiry.
I mean, we're seeing a lot around to sender ARDRN
at the moment, famous and infamous, both sides of the story,
I suppose. But what do you make of the response
regarding the COVID inquiry.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, I thought it was pretty much heartbeat really and
I'm very disappointed in the media didn't pick it up.
I just start, you know, I had some responsibilities in
the meat industry report when they closed butcher shops, and
some of the rationale behind that was just nonsensical and
it didn't matter what you see it or did. People
just did not listen. They listened to some microbiologists who
(08:45):
had no idea at all about how the retail retail
trade works in New Zealand. But I am very disappointed
that the media is totally ignored the fact that this
at myocardial issue with teenagers has just been overlooked. And
I think what can said I forgot about that or
something in as there or who was Minister of Health
(09:05):
and Chris Hipkins should be held to account. Some of
my grandchildren were injected with that stuff and if they've
got second died, look, I'd be rovable and that chances
that could have happened and they were breathed by health
and they did nothing about it, and that there needs
to be a bit more accountability with media when you've
got something as important as that and they've totally ignored it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, you did right. There are one thing I we'll
say for Winston. Peter's compared to the Nanayama, who'sa he's
done ten times a job that she did as far
as trade.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Oh no, you're understanding it. He didn't do the job.
And he's been probably one of our foreign affairs ministers
that we've had in a long long time. He understands
and he's experienced, he gets on well with people. He's
prepared to travel for a man of his age. Yeah,
he's on this, Johnny on the Spot. It's just a
(09:59):
pity that it's an election year when we're going to
do this.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It's not as first rodeo. Eric Roy. Always appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Thanks very much, Eric Roy.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Talking a lot of scenes as well as he normally does.
You're listening to the Master and Hakanui. Up next, Hillary
Hillary Copelan from Benamin Crookshank Pride to Lawyers
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