March 8, 2026 • 45 mins
Andy Muir talks to Jon Pemberton, Jeff Grant, Morgan Greene, James McNamee and Andrew Alderson.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hakanu. He
brought to you by Petti's Genetics. My name is Andy mull.
We here until two o'clock on Monday. Hope the weekend
went well. Black Caps Bridesmaids once again, but nonetheless getting
to the final of another T twenty or ICC event
as an achievement in itself. We talk about this, Avenger
(00:30):
Waterson of Newstalk ZB later in the hour, the worriyor
has got the W. The Lander's got the w as well.
And yeah, just a plethora of sport throughout the weekend
rugby league and they have fowl Will up and running again.
So I was a happy camp in last night tunes
for today as well a bit of a throwback Buddy holly.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Toe tapping Tuneskan's five day forecast with twin farm teff
from and so text The proof is in the progeny
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Speaker 1 (01:04):
This afternoon showers with breezy sow westerlies and a higher fourteen.
Tuesday cloudy with breezy easterly six and eighteen. Wednesday cloud
once again with calm variable wins eleven and twenty one
Thursday cloudy with breezy north westerlyies twelve and twenty three
and Friday rain with breezy westerlyies eight and fifteen saw
temperatures for a Monday afternoon Clinton fifteen point four, Harriet
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thirteen point nine, Riverton fifteen point one, t on Now
fourteen point eight, fourteen point five at Tittoroa, went in
twelve point Adam Woodlands at fourteen point three. John Pemberton
starts an hour in the Saturn Dam, farming around it,
farming at Menzies Ferry.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Jeff Grant talks politics.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
What does it mean regarding the war in the Middle
East of New Zealand and as.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Far as costs?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
What is that to look forward to if you can
say that it's such regarding the current situation. Morgan Green
of Anius Fetz talks animal health matters. James mcd and
me of Garston Hops not far out from harvest, only
a matter of days actually to James tows us how
things are going in the hops world up there in
northern Southland. And Andrew Watison, like I say, have new
(02:13):
Stalk zb lock set the at Black Caps and their
loss overnight to India and the t twenty Cricket World
Cup Final.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So we'll start the hour next with John Pembledon.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
This is the muster until two o'clock thanks to Peter Genetics.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Will Lady m will you Welton, he's.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So kin John Penmerton farms down and Means's ferry.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
He's got a block as well at Brighton and joins
us on the Sergeant Dan farming round up thanks to
Sergeant Dan stock foods based tearing gore John, A good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
How things been?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's been pretty hectic over the past few weeks for
you by the sounds.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Of it, probably the last year, Andy mate, between the
snuffield and the conversion. Yeah, just just enough on the plate,
but it's all enough. Heel reports about done. He actually
builds about half way through and yeah I just felt
like we're taking boxes actually and got a block of there,
(03:14):
some transactions down the herd sales and got nothing coming one.
So yeah, things things are slowly coming together, you know.
Just a game of patience, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
What's it like getting consent for a cow shed in
this day and age.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Look, I guess she wasn't too bad at all. Just
a building concent required and we didn't need to get
an obviously another content for Efforne Stories. We built a
big week of warmer fee pad. It's been nursing process.
We converted an organic sheep farm and I guess you'd
say the Parker's rules, just the rhetoric we were hearing
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was name all black and white school, and you looked
at it and looked at your options. That didn't seem
to be the case. So we decided to test it
and we went with it, and it's yeah, I'm quite
comfortable has played out. Got a large number of consents.
But that gives me in my business and family certainty
for the next decade or so on what we're doing.
So yeah, I guess it was going to use on
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what what the purpose of consent is and mine it
gives the business acurety to make decisions.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well the arguments here you'll be tearing your hero, but
we know that you are just a little bit phollically challenged,
John O.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, it's it's uh, you know, it's what the kids
do to you.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh, thank you, just what life throws at you sometimes.
And you talk about what you've been doing over the
past twelve months and making everything work is called the
short term for the long term.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, and look, you know, I really enjoyed it. You know,
there's nothing like you know, when we first did the
first cut this year on the block, and I think
I might have seen you to snapper steading on top
of all the earth that we pulled back for the
shed and the we had multiple contracts on side and
choppers go going, and it did feel like the early
two thousands, where you know, there was a vibe around
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south and of something that was changing and the positivity
was checking around the rule sector. And yeah, things were
pretty crazy back then. And I think we have a
better understanding of what we're actually doing and what we're
trying to achieve and the mitigations we're going to put
in place, so we don't I guess, expose ourselves through
just going with the ball at the gate and not
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looking at the signs. But it was quite cool to
have that filling in, to be honest, because it does
feel like things have been a bit mundane in the
last fifteenth years or so.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So how are you looking there feed wise? Because varying
reports around the province regarding rainfall.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, Mensi's playing exceptionally well, the last probably six weeks,
six to seven weeks Brighton we got what twenty five
thirty meals yesterday, very welcomed. We just got another ten
to fifty ton of solid off in the stack on
Saturday night, so that rain was perfect and I was
(06:00):
standing here looking a week when we're just doing a
few more touches on and it's groundwater that feeds it,
and it's really slowed down, so that dry before Christmas
and the little January has really affected the groundwater level.
So that's a good indication that you know, we're still
o soub source will still be quite dry. So yeah,
hearing north of gauze. Things are a pretty challenging feed wise,
(06:23):
but I'm hoping that they proceed something there ain't yesterday too.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Ye'll be pretty pleased.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And all your travel with the noth Field Scholarship was
last year and not this year due to the situation
in the Middle East as well.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I went pretty hardly up from the start. As soon
as at the scholarship, I started booking flights and just
getting it done, and I could have ended up watching
a lot of flights further back into the period where
now and yes, it would have been quite challenging. So,
you know, as interesting as I think the States were
just leaving the States as they bomb that first shelter
or bomb bombs and throng all the Nuks or wherever
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it was underground in June, and it was really interesting
the States that you know, people just were like, nah,
he's trunk's just bluffing. You'll never do it like that
was there was no you'd think being over In a
week leading up to it, there be a lot of
talk about it, but it hardly either came up because
people didn't Americas didn't think that the government will be
going as aggressive as what they are, So I can
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only imagine what the discussions are like over at the moment.
It's a bloody crazy scene and certainly creating some uncertainty,
which I guess is what we've been living with for
the last fifteen odd years with just evening gets thrown
at us in New Zealand. But very grateful of location
and obviously timing those of the season, having all we're
furt on and most of these will spend will bit
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the we've gottle bit more to do on the care
should yet you know, it will just depend on how
quickly this war comes and goes or who else gets involved,
And I'm picking China are going to start making their
opinion very clear now that having between Little Swaler and
the past being shot near excess energy is going to
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get constrained in a few months, I suppose will be worried.
So yeah, just gratefully, Keyeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It's actually a bit of a bit of a blessing.
I suppose where is this on the bus at the
bottom of the world.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Exactly, yep, yep. And and we kind of get its
own devices festers lom, don't we. So no, I think, yeah,
it's gonna be interest see what the immigration does. Think
he's going too one with you know, with the rich
and famous if they want to come here, or even
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the free trailing. But yeah, is it going to really
push another's upcoming over here? So you know it's I
guess that someone has been at Radio New Zealand is
you know what is immigration look in the next twenty
years he's in New Zealand. What is a culture in
New Zealand going to be where our politics is going
to be? And we can't think we're immune to that.
You start looking at those through of Iran and it's
quite fascinating, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, you just talk about positives on the ground in general,
you talk about the payout amongst other things, and I
think the mood and sentiment is one of a very
good feeling.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yeah, absolutely, there are. Surely the other banks have got
appetites and means.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Which gets.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
And you know, when was the last time we get
theory and the remix sector so aligned on performance that
there was it was creating health intension between the two systems.
And yeah, it's all good. I guess we're just going
to make sure we're all looking at reinvesting into our
businesses to keep to make sure that when there is
a bit of a slipping prices that we can manage
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it and carry on and show that we've got a
fair bit of resilience within our business and our farming systems,
so that you know, we can we can keep focused,
and I guess try and avoid some of the hysteria
that certain parts of the rule sector sometimes get caught
up in, which I don't think is helpful at all
for the well being of the community.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
To be fair, National Land Day must seem like a
distant memory.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Ye, but hey, wasn't it great like what memory was
an absolute success Andy, and it was just it was
ready okay seeing the grants lambs running through the site
on the on the front, it was fantastic and it
was just very well received and reports back from everybody
the Prime Minister had been what a fantastic day it
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was for the National Lamb Day. And we're just hoping
to really build on this going forward, and I hope
that you know, we can keep evolving in the Field
days every second year. I think it's a great platform,
but we are ambitious about going bigger. So watch the spaces.
This is what I'll be saying.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Good only Johnah, good luck there with everything that's going on.
We'll catch up again.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Jeers Andy, Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
John Pemberden and the Sergeant Dan Farming round up. Thanks
for Sergeant Dan Stock foods based here and Gore. You're
listening to the muster, Jeff ground is up next is
talk some politics all the.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Way manner.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Every day it's again closer going as then, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
You're listening to the muster on Hakanui.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Jeff Grant joins us next, former MP, a member of
the New Zealand Trade Envoy, amongst other things, Jeff, good afternoon.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
How are you good, Andy?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
How's everything in northern South for namely Balfa.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Oh, we got eighteen mills of rain over the last
couple of days, which was useful. We were looking for
a more rain standing to brown off again on the
on the ridges and stuff. So I should set us
up for the autumn.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Right this Middle East war, we're starting to see the
ramifications at the pump here. For example, last Friday, the
discount day at the local sealth service stations about a
dollar fifty seven for a liter of diesel. Fast forward
to this morning, the same product as about two dollars twelve.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, I see the Commerce Commission of sending out a
warning saying they think the pricing increase doesn't reflect the
true market situation and the sense that the fuel hasn't
even arrived at the higher price. But that's just part
of the reality. I always find it amusing you get
these emails telling you've got a price adjustment, which really
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means the price has gone up for something, and we're
going to see a bit of that. You know, transport
and logistics will come under some pressure over the next
three or four months. If this carries on for another
week or two and then we'll start to see it
and fertilize the price etc. As we get into the winter.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So we're saying good prices in the farm gate, the
farm gate inflation.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
All of a sudden, it's going to be the equation.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Isn't it always the case though? I mean, you just
start to think you're having a really good season and
then something comes along and changes the mathematics of it all,
and it's just it is what it is, and the
sense that we're going to see, you know, the impact.
I think the impact also for you know, places like
New Zealand, especially on shipping, is that extra cost of
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bring stuff having not been able to go through the
strait and delays. I'd imagine it's been a night for
the meat companies along with the dairy industry in terms
of where ships are sitting, especially with chilled meat, you
can't have it sitting in a sitting off the golf
on its way to the European market and then find
that you've got to freeze it down and find another buyer, etc.
(13:16):
So yeah, tough time now.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Local government restructure has been well documented coming up eighteen
months now about changing to regional councils, especially here in
the South.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
What are you hearing? What's the latest?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Look, I think that the Local Government Commissions in the
process of its reports, I think it's holding a meeting
in the nineteenth and march down in Riverton to sort
of gather information in terms of people's thinking. I just
so people should get actively involved. There's a nonline survey
as well that they're doing. But the reality is, I
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just get a sense that the full councils down here
aren't really putting their mind to what's the best option
The change should take place, that's for sure, and I
think that there's a good argument to look at what's
the best delivery of a services for local government over
the next ten to fifteen years. There's a lot of
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emphasis on structure and governance, and governance is about two
percent of the cost. The reality is it's the services
and the staff that is a big cost of local government.
And you know, I find the focus in the wrong
direction to a certain extent.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
What's your gut feeling on this, Are these changes going
to happen regarding local government?
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Well? Look, I think there will be quite a some
course to find a solution in the Southland that does
create some amalgamation. I'm not convinced about two unitary councils
as an option, and again I would say it's a
drive for the structure. What we should be arguing is
well debating, is how are the services that we want
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over the next ten to fifteen years to be delivered
it and then look at the structure it gives the
best delivery. And so I think there's an argument to
centralize trans roading, environmental water into one. And so I'm
a bit of a fan of what you call centralize
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the services and localize the democracy. And so there's a
variety of structures you could do to do that quite professiently.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Hey, Jeff, what's your thoughts around the latest pole that
came out Christopher Luxe and in national plunging into the twenties.
Is it as catastrophic as what's being made out or
is this simply one pole?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Oh? Look, I think there's definitely a trend that's showing
that the coalition's struggling a bit in terms of the
people's attitude towards what's happening on the ground. So I mean,
you know, we've had lots of announcements about how things
are improving. But until people feel that in their back
pocket and also when they go to the pub on
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Friday night, that that sort of attitude towards saying are
we hitting in the right direction is going to be questioned.
I think it's going to be a there's always a
close election as you do get under an MP, and
I think that coalitions at some risk of not quite
getting over the line.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Do you think Chris Special will be doing the numbers?
Has it come to that point?
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Well, if he is, he's the wrong person. I think
that if you if we were down, if the coalition
or the National Party was down around there twenty two percent,
that would do a bigger change. I think they'll be
looking at what are they going to do to shift
it back up to around thirty one thirty two that's
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where they need to get to. They may just have
to accept that the new coalition may have us stronger
influence from New Zealand person and that will change the dynamics.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Who what bed the ideal candidate? They like Mike Mitchell
at Erica Stanford.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Oh, look, I think the reality is that you're never
quite sure. It's always hard. This sort of question about
who's the next person, because they never sort of shine
through until they are actually elected, and just in there
a dune as a classic example, I think that they
would have to look dynamically quite different from the current
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leader if they were to make a change, and so
Erica Stanford would probably be the one that's stuck out
a little bit. But I think that they'll probably better
to stick with what they've got through this election.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
The fake meat story that's losing traction by the day
almost I just thought it.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Was interesting to go back and have a little look
as we've talked about this before, and the two big
companies that have been in the market quite strongly since
you know, mid twenty fifteen are Beyond Meat and Impossible
Foods to American companies. Beyond Meats are publicly listed. If
you had their shares in nineteen, they're worth two hundred
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and forty three dollars each. They're now worth ninety six
seventy six cents. So the dramatic change in terms of
its value. What they're really struggling around is their ability
to to take on the big players like Tyson and
any leader who have used their you know, marketing strength
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to do some of the meat alterms of but the
reality is the market hasn't really responded. So what's happened
is that there's been a lot more analysis around what
are false or these meats in terms of what the
makeup is and the argument around the health side along
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with process food. That's because they use a lot more
ultra process food. Combination in terms of their product, especially
in the meat Hamburger paddies hasn't been successful, so they've
changed their swing now now talking about resource sufficiency, so
you know, impossible burgers talk about the fact that they
only used ninety nine percent less water and less land
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by about ninety six percent and ninety two percent less pollution.
But that's that global trend towards saying you know, what
am I doing about climate change hasn't really had an impact.
Fascinating figure though, if you changed all the current beef
production in the world to a plant based alternative, the
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global protein market would change to the extent that the
savings in terms of greenhouse gases would be greater than
the whole of the electric motor vehicle if every vehicle
in the world was changed to electric, So you would
save more from going to a plant based meat than
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you would. But the reality is the market is responding,
and so these companies are really struggling to find a
place in the market. And I just don't think other
than say Burger King and those providing an alternative, cheap
protein source, we're not going to see a big change
in the market in terms of what I call false meat.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Jeff Grant, always appreciate your time on the Muster. I'll
catch you at the one of Cache on Friday.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Here's we'll catch it in enemy.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Jeff Grant talking about alternative proteins, I suppose plant based
meat and the lack of traction that seems to have
got those share numbers as well. Unreal Morgan Green for
men his Fits. We catch up next. You're listening to
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Speaker 1 (20:57):
Morgan Green of in his Fits based in Riversdale, joins
us once again. Good afternoon, Morgan, Hell's awake in.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Oh good Thanks Andy, Good afternoon to you too. All
looked pretty good. I managed to see a little bit
of rugby first thing on That was Saturday morning, which
was quite good. So Ireland had another victory in the
Six Nations, and yeah, other than that, I wasn't working,
so I had a busy weekend at home, just splitting wood,
getting ready for the winter.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Remembering not that long ago we would tell the Six
Nations was all about close fought matches, and all of
a sudden, Scotland puts fifty points on France.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yet I can say forty.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, I actually didn't see the game. I just
saw the result, but it sounded like it was a
pretty crazy sort of a game. In at one stage
I think it looked like Scotland were going to put
seventy on them, yeah, the way it went, but looked
very exciting. It's a very very close competition. I don't
know if it means that the teams are good or
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whether they're all bad, but they're certainly even, which certainly
makes for a great competition, which is really good. Pretty
amazing how things can can change, you know, It's only
a month ago they were being touted as favorites for
there certainly joint favorites with France, and yeah, now they
can end up right down at the bottom of the table.
So it just goes to show how quickly things can
turn on, how quickly things can change.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, ground conditions in northern Southland, it's underescing how you
speak to them with the advice, just saying how it's
been a good season. You're actually really dry up there
up at a Miight's place at Riversdale on Saturday morning
and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Yeah, No, certainly parts of northern Sideland are very very dry.
You know, we've we've obviously had I would have said
sufficient rainfall over the summer, but we've had so much
in the way of wind, you know, it's that evaporate
transpiration all that, you know, moisture has has disappeared, and
it is it's it's very very dry. Growth rates certainly
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have have slowed down, There's no two ways about that.
You know, we had a fair bit of rain yesterday
and last night which was very much welcomes, no question
about that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Are you saying Famer is having to hang on the
lambs just a little bit longer. That is dryer, but
doesn't mean that doesn't mean the lames are going to
be doing any bitter.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Yeah, No, look.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Hard to say. I think it's it's probably there's a
bit of variation out there.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
One of the one of the challenges that we get
when we're grazing down lower to the ground obviously, is
that those those lambs are picking up more in the
way of worms, so there's a bigger worm challenge, bigger
worm burden, which then puts more pressure on So you know,
it's it's a fine balance at times between you know,
trying to graze them to a point where you know
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they are getting the good quality feed, but equally having
enough feed in front of them as well. So it's yeah,
a bit of a fine balancing act at times. And yes,
certainly I think conditions here in northern Southland are reasonably challenging. Look,
we're still green, apart from on the hills where there's
certainly that's changed color, but in general we are green.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And okay, who inspikee to Andrew Capital of wes Ago
Morgie who was talking about fly strike not being as
bad as at the years, although this can be interpreted
according to the ground conditions as well.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Yeah, look, and you know, I certainly agree with that
we haven't seen, certainly haven't seen as much as other years.
Obviously there's a little bit around, as you would expect
at this time of year. But you know, compared to
some years where it's been really really bad, this year,
from the point of view of FLY, has certainly been
one of the better ones.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Cal scanning's and full motion at the moment.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Yeah, look it is. You know, I just pulled over
on the side of the road. I'm just about to
head off and do some more. But yeah, look it
is a results in general have been pretty okay. You know,
I guess the long term average in dairy cows sort
of that six week in CAFRE it has been around
about that sixty seven to sixty eight percent. Last year
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we sort of more sat at the seventy one seventy two.
I think we'll probably be back around that seventy percent mark,
so little bit better than the historic long term average,
but probably a little bit back on last year. But
the other side of it is, you know, milk production
for most guys has been pretty good, and you know,
obviously prices are still pretty good. The GDT, you know,
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has had a few upswings in a row, which is
always helpful and sort of tends to consolidate, you know,
that milk price. I guess. You know, it's the whole
geopolitical situation in around that, you know, what's going to
happen there who knows, and that obviously may have a
big impact on things over the months ahead.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Are you surprised regarding scanning results?
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Good question.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
You know, I think they're probably about where I expected
them to be. You know, it's it's always a little
bit very variable. As I said, last year was pretty good,
which meant that, you know, we got off to a
really good start from the point of view of calving.
Sos calved down earlier, which meant that on average they've
had a few days extra, you know, to get that calves.
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So you know, I'm not surprised that things have gone
pretty well. I guess probably the one thing is that
we have had really good milk production all the way through,
like guys hit peak and then managed to maintain it,
certainly in this area, which has been really really good.
But often when that happens, at the find that reproduction
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hasn't gone too well. But I think both of them
this year have been have been pretty good. I heard
that we scan this morning was just over just under
a nine percent empty on the day. Probably you know,
if you look at minded you can probably normally you
add another couple of percentage points on there, but you know,
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certainly pretty decent result.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Entertainment in his fits Morgie the best way to get
in touch.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Oh, let's just pick up the phone two zero two
five six three six at Riversdale or two four nine
seven zero three nine at ten now and yep, as
usual we're here twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Get on your Morgie, enjoy the afternoon.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Hey, good to chat.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Andy Morgan, Green of Enemies Fits official Animal Health Advisers
to the muster.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Interesting, six nations over the weekend, Ireland doing the damage
or not the damage, but getting the winner. Suppose over
a plucky Welsh team. You say plucky that that just
defines battler, I suppose. But France getting beaten by Scotland
and England for the first time, losing to Italy. So
six nations has been good watching. You can't deny that.
James McNamee is up next. Let's talk a bit of well,
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let's talk a bit of hot fumbing.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
The muster on the farm with Southland District Council working
together for a better Southland.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Why do you a.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Way up to Garston this afternoon on the muster James
McNamee of Garston Hops growing Hops in Northern South and
you said it is a thing. We've spoken to James
on a number of occasions and we catch up once
again not far out from harvest. Good afternoon, James. I
texted you before to see how things are going. You
said it was bloody chaos.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yes, afternoon, here are you going?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, going pretty good here house things up there, they're
just pretty full on, i'd imagine.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Yeah, we're just getting reeve and so we've got a
few changes. We're doing the harvest here, so we've got
to build us here, Sparky's here, all sorts of trades people.
So yeah, just getting more getting ready or the harvest.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Well, I suppose as well, because you've been doing this
for a couple of years now. And learnings isn't a
very nice word, but it's exactly what you'll take from
one season to the next growing hops.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Oh, absolutely learning that. The word is learning. It's learning
your machinery, and it's learning your growing, your crop and
your cycles and your weather. And every season is different
and presents of different challenges.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So as far as the season's being different. What's been
the biggest challenge that you're faced on the farm for
this one.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Which springing was to that feat the main crops so
much for the effect of the new garden that we
were putting in, so it was very wet we could
work for the ground up, so we were delayed planting it,
which means we won't get the harvest off it this
year or just lifted in the ground. So that was
probably expected, but it just means you're not a early
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year away from getting any product off your investment.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So as far as a life cycle of a hot winds,
planting occur.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
In the spring and we really want to get it done.
If you other things you're trying to get done fall
over weekend seems to be or what quite a few
farmers say on some crops. But we try and get
it done in September, but it was really into November
before we got a chance to get that padic worked up.
So you know, you have to plant once and then
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you leave it here, so you don't have to plant
it every year. It's just when you're doing new garden
there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
As far as yield. What are you hoping for this
year we're.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Hoping for somewhere between twenty five to thirty times of hops,
so getting bigger each year. Last year we had seventeen ten.
So the pop plants yield more each year as they
get older more mature. It takes them three to four
years of maturity. So even if we didn't plant anymore
hops each year a year will be going up as
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each garden gets more mature.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So what are you basing the yield off as far
as cropping the ground?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
What's what? What area are we talking? Roughly?
Speaker 7 (30:22):
We're going to harvests about twenty one heap years this year,
and the garden that we aren't going to harvest us
seven heat years. So we've got twenty eight heat years
in crops now and we have seen twenty one heap years.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So the other seven that you're not doing is that
the one is that the stuff that didn't take?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Great?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yes, that's quite a bit in an operation though not
to be up and running.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Well, yes, yes, yes, to fact that fact to them
as you go. But it's just part of the ciphle
getting up to speed. It takes three to four years
to get them up and you've got an extra year
at the beginning as well, as you bring the plants
in when they're little, and you put them in the
nursery area for a year and they stay here to
get used to the environment, and then the second year
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they go out in the gardens. So it's probably five
years before they get the full speed.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
So you're trying different varieties each season. James, we are.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Still doing the five main varieties that we've been doing.
They've been doing well. We do want to look at
trying a little ones. We got little mounts one hundred
two hundred plants of little varieties and just working out
which ones goes best here. And we're still looking at
the idea of getting a local grown pop based off
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the old wild feral plants of around here for the
last one hundred and fifty years and the old online days.
So we're stills foring that idea as well.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So as far as the frosts that we've hit over
the past, wait, what's that going to do?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
What's that? What's going to happen there regarding the crop.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Well, the frosts putting a stress on the plants, so
it will make them produce different files, which is the
compound inside the hops and different flavors, so you'll get
a different flavor hops and then beer out of it.
So the brewer is actually quite lock. Like the stress
on the hops. One of the things spread Tira growing
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hops down here is there a different tiara in the
leather too, and having ut hot days between having and
then the cold nights puts different stresses on them so
that you have different flavor beers from the hops.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Well, when you say different stresses from a farming viewpoint,
this is the last word you want to hear. But
obviously in the game you're and it's a good thing.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
I put the plant and the stress there is a
few years ago it snowed One Day's read Harvest and
Garage Project made a vehicleed fucking hops and snow and
it was really really good, and it was unique because
put the flavor out that the hops don't usually do.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
How intensive as the harvest as such, like labor wise.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Pretty intensive. We're expecting between thirty two and thirty five
people to turn up on Sunday, so they'll turn up
on Sunday. We're induction day on Monday and then we'll start.
That'll be split into two teams and we'll have a
morning shift and an afternoon shift, so effectively we have
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seen from five to three in the morning to midnight
split in the two shifts. So we've got to simulate
all those people into two teams. Last year we had
twelve different nationalities. So you're going to make sure that
we have some common ways that they understand how to
do the job effectively and safely. So they all return
to their homelands with all fingers attached, them all nicely,
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health and safely. They having fun and enjoyed their time.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That's a good way to look at it. Do you
put them up accommodation wise?
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Most of them, we have got some combination there. Most
of them tend to bring their own van, their backpackers.
They're traveled around New Zealands. What they tend to like
is somewhere a part of their vans somebody to do
their cooking and cleaning and the world's fastest WiFi known
to mankind and their happy larry.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Now, as far as the messaging that you're doing there
at cast and hops and you're telling your story, are
you getting a lot of push through as far as
your product, Yeah, we.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Seem to be doing all right. We do have a
unique product because of the different terror their soil and
our climate and in their latitude.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
O day one hours.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
So yes, we are getting pushed through and selling around
with now selling products in New Zealands, Australia, the United States, Canada, UK,
and we've got their first European brewery in Hollands and
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we've got some hops and South Africa and we got
interests from Japan and Germany coming this You what does.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It like for regulations and n p I and everything
when you're doing hops?
Speaker 7 (35:06):
The hops are a food group, so you've got to
you've got to have for your basics basics food group
safety and there make sure events clean stopped after UH
and simple stuff like when you're when you're greasing machinery,
you use food safe grease rather than normal grease. So
we have a whole whole program and whole audit to
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make sure we're doing that.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Just finally, James, so what's happening up there this weekend?
Speaker 5 (35:34):
And this weekend we're getting.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
Ready for the harvest and all the people arriving then
will start and then the follow weekend is actually we
have a bit of a harvest events, so we'll just
be taking the hops from the fresh hops you can
use once a year when they're not paletized, and we'll
be taking up to Queenstown and what be doing them
like they did one hundred years ago. We're going to
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use horses, clothes horses. We use the steam train and
a boat and then we take the hops cross to
Elsib Brewing and they cut them in, the top them
in the kennel and they make a fresh, hot beer.
So that's hopefully we'll have a hoppy beer. And we
also company that with a hobby sheep.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Now that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
James, Always appreciate your time catching up as to what's
happening there, and after harvest we'll do a bit of
a recap. Always appreciate you catching up.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Eankesllent.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
No great now, thank you for that. And yeah, hopefully
hopefully the rest of your week goes well and look
forward to seeing you around the farmer sometimes for a beer.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Why do you miss James McNamee of Garston Hops. Still
a fascinating story growing hops in Northern Southland. A different
kind of story. The story of the black Caps coming
second in the T twenty Cricket World Cup.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Andrew Watterson wraps it next.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
When you say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
When the black.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Caps, arguably so because they might be singing that will
be the day they're just unfortunately bride'smaid's yet again in
a T twenty World Cup final. Andrew Ortison a new
stig ZB is going to break this down for us
right now. Older is good afternoon. It's another case of
what could have been for the black Caps.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
It is a bit Eddie and I think they well,
I think they've met their expectations over the course of
the TIMA where you think of where they are in
the context some of those other teams, but just a
step too far against India. And I look at that
Indian inside and look at I mean Abashek Shama and
and s Andrew Samson at the top of the order.
For argument's sake, the start is and kshat as well.
(37:37):
They're a product of the IPL system and those types
of banners. They really know how to find the boundary
in New Zealand just absolutely can in fight of there
at times me two fifty five for five, there's just
putting some enormous pressure on I mean, sitting there as a
skipping zild skipper didn't seen in the year in I
me probably hoping that for the due on the ball
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of it later on something of that nature and the
ad night. But once they had those runs on the board,
that was always going to be a huge ask for
New Zealand and pressure right from the weird go.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So is this the case of the black Caps overachieving
once again?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Well, I think it is certainly in the context of
the tournaments. I mean, I think, what's there a second
T twenty World Cup Final and they've been in two
just the over World Cup finals, they won a World
Test Championship. That's all happened in the space of the
last eleven years. I think they do it sounded like
a bit of a cliche at times and you know,
punch them ve their weight for one of a bit
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of term, but you know they're a good team and
probably greater than some of their parts, and they've put
it together again over the course and.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
I think it's probably helped too.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
They had the build up games against India and India
won those four ones, and there was a side of
things to come from the build up series. But there
is certainly a far crof from the build up to
the twenty twenty four tournament of the Caribbean when they
bugger all play it all in the lead up and
just all sort of congregated on the site on the
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days of the game, etc. And we're out in the
pool stages. So this is an incredible turn around from
that and it shows the value of that prep and
they've been able to wake it through to the final
and of course tremendous. Weatter the semi as well over
South Africa and saw with Alan and siphoned up front
that would be one of the great partnerships in Tea
twenty cricket. For his eld I would have thought that
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one hundred and seventeen. But you know, they just haven't
been able to take it out and push it onto
the into the final.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Dale Stone, South African fast bowler has labeled the Kiwis
chokers after losing yet another final.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Is that a few call? I mean, you look at
the stats and they are.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Now he need to look a bit closer the home
first before he starts throwing the label choker ound. I
would have thought, but there you go. I'm sure it's
good nature, but yeah, it's yeah, it's really I suppose yeah,
in the eye of the beholder. So we say, as
to who the chokers are out there, but New Zealand
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not quite able to pour it office in India. I
guess underlining their dominance across the game and what they're
able to achieve in this day and age being the
the I guess juggnall that they are in the cricketing fraternity.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
In a monetary sense, New Zealand has always looked upon
as being very small in the in the big basket
of the cricketing landscape. What does this mean for us
so and we consistently pull about our weight as such
on the world stage. Are we going to start seeing
some more revenue due to tours by the Big three? Effectively?
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Well, I think they've got good relationships with each of
the Big Three. I think that's the key here. That's
a credit to New Zealand, and that's you know, the
friendly nature or the good nature. And people are asked
sometimes the Ace should play with more mongrel in New Zealand.
But the fact that they built up these relationships over
a period of time boat as well. People love playing
the black cap side and that particularly is in relation
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to India as well, and it obviously comes back through
broadcast steals et cetera. But then overall as well, and
you see your need. I know, we talk about the
prolifferation of these sessions and there was an e below them.
There's too much cricket. You know, less is more will
be better, et cetera. But you do need it in
terms of driving the revenue, and no tournament drives revenue
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like a T twenty tournament in India for the entire
cricketing world and the bigger pie of revenue that comes
with that. So really it's a great thing for cricket
and what should be the trickle down effect.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
The thing about T twenty cricket orders is that the
circus just continues, if you can call it a circus,
because the prote is men's side over here playing the
black Caps starting this weekend.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
So there's no rest, No, there's not no response whatsoever,
and it just yeah, keeps on going. You think, oh,
I sort of feel for these guys weave it coming back.
I mean they've had all this time over on the
subcon then you want a bit of a break or
at least week or something just to refresh, or maybe
a couple of weeks even to be able to I
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guess just get back to normal life and then before
you head and impact the suitcase again, so not a
lot of when from the ICC they need to have
a good look at this with not a lot of
thought given to those players with those windows, et cetera.
With just cricket just packed in left, right and centers,
we're sort of referencing before. So yeah, I suppose at
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least New Zealer fans will get something more out of
the summer now, though given that the January February period
has been taken at least international dot to the end.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Is this just the nature of T twenty crackeut It's
just such a disposable commodity.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
Yeah, feels that way.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
From my mind, and there's LEAs on it as a result,
doesn't resonate as much, you know, especially when you compare
it to say tests, So yeah, it's very much. I
imagine hoping that people will come through the turnstiles and
they'll be at a cash But whether it's the case
or whether it's over kill from mays to be seen.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Now that great game stick cricket from not that many
years ago, some unreal stats came out of it, but
all of a sudden we're seeing all these statistics come
to real life, none more so than the weekend Brett
Randall claiming five wickets in a row in first class
cricket in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Well you think about less's more, Well, this is this
is the rarest of the rare, what two hundred and
fifty four years of first class cricket and it has
never been done anywhere. And that's to take that triple
hat trick so years you say, five from five and
he's managed to do it for CD against what I
think was his former province in Ndy. And Brett Randall
has really delivered. I've watched it online and you know,
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some crazy delivers it from him. And on this occasion
he's cash in every single time, and disease to celebrate accordingly,
I think, yeah, he's just saying afterwards just almost just
couldn't believe it happened. He was absolutely exhausted after They
just wearing the mantle of it, if you like, of
what had a curred. So yeah, that's it, the real
rarity and one that should be cherished, so imagined that
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their assitions all around the world will.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Be just in a real lander over this one just
finally orders ground conditions on the PoCA Pocacwi block.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
How's the farming life, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
Pretty good, it's been.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
I must say though, Eddie that we had we had
to hate the paddic ready to go in December and
it was bailed. And I know that our contract that
he has very loyal to us and asked to him
and we're quite high out the batting order I think.
But it wasn't bailed until the first week of February
and that tells you something about where the rain's been at.
It wasn't like four maybe five days in a row
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of fine weather anywhere in that stretch. So yeah, there's
the there's the climate for you and our parts is
what we get to see. But it's nice and dry
in the shed now. It's the most important thing.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
That's the main thing. Orders. Hey, thanks for your time.
As always, you enjoy the.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
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Speaker 1 (45:00):
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Speaker 3 (45:18):
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Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hakanu. He
brought to you by Petti's Genetics. My name is Andy mull.
We here until two o'clock on Monday. Hope the weekend
went well. Black Caps Bridesmaids once again, but nonetheless getting
to the final of another T twenty or ICC event
as an achievement in itself. We talk about this, Avenger
(00:30):
Waterson of Newstalk ZB later in the hour, the worriyor
has got the W. The Lander's got the w as well.
And yeah, just a plethora of sport throughout the weekend
rugby league and they have fowl Will up and running again.
So I was a happy camp in last night tunes
for today as well a bit of a throwback Buddy holly.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Toe tapping Tuneskan's five day forecast with twin farm teff
from and so text The proof is in the progeny
tear from dot co dot inz.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
This afternoon showers with breezy sow westerlies and a higher fourteen.
Tuesday cloudy with breezy easterly six and eighteen. Wednesday cloud
once again with calm variable wins eleven and twenty one
Thursday cloudy with breezy north westerlyies twelve and twenty three
and Friday rain with breezy westerlyies eight and fifteen saw
temperatures for a Monday afternoon Clinton fifteen point four, Harriet
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thirteen point nine, Riverton fifteen point one, t on Now
fourteen point eight, fourteen point five at Tittoroa, went in
twelve point Adam Woodlands at fourteen point three. John Pemberton
starts an hour in the Saturn Dam, farming around it,
farming at Menzies Ferry.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Jeff Grant talks politics.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
What does it mean regarding the war in the Middle
East of New Zealand and as.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Far as costs?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
What is that to look forward to if you can
say that it's such regarding the current situation. Morgan Green
of Anius Fetz talks animal health matters. James mcd and
me of Garston Hops not far out from harvest, only
a matter of days actually to James tows us how
things are going in the hops world up there in
northern Southland. And Andrew Watison, like I say, have new
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Stalk zb lock set the at Black Caps and their
loss overnight to India and the t twenty Cricket World
Cup Final.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So we'll start the hour next with John Pembledon.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
This is the muster until two o'clock thanks to Peter Genetics.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Will Lady m will you Welton, he's.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So kin John Penmerton farms down and Means's ferry.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
He's got a block as well at Brighton and joins
us on the Sergeant Dan farming round up thanks to
Sergeant Dan stock foods based tearing gore John, A good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
How things been?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's been pretty hectic over the past few weeks for
you by the sounds.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Of it, probably the last year, Andy mate, between the
snuffield and the conversion. Yeah, just just enough on the plate,
but it's all enough. Heel reports about done. He actually
builds about half way through and yeah I just felt
like we're taking boxes actually and got a block of there,
(03:14):
some transactions down the herd sales and got nothing coming one.
So yeah, things things are slowly coming together, you know.
Just a game of patience, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
What's it like getting consent for a cow shed in
this day and age.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Look, I guess she wasn't too bad at all. Just
a building concent required and we didn't need to get
an obviously another content for Efforne Stories. We built a
big week of warmer fee pad. It's been nursing process.
We converted an organic sheep farm and I guess you'd
say the Parker's rules, just the rhetoric we were hearing
(03:51):
was name all black and white school, and you looked
at it and looked at your options. That didn't seem
to be the case. So we decided to test it
and we went with it, and it's yeah, I'm quite
comfortable has played out. Got a large number of consents.
But that gives me in my business and family certainty
for the next decade or so on what we're doing.
So yeah, I guess it was going to use on
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what what the purpose of consent is and mine it
gives the business acurety to make decisions.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Well the arguments here you'll be tearing your hero, but
we know that you are just a little bit phollically challenged,
John O.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, it's it's uh, you know, it's what the kids
do to you.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh, thank you, just what life throws at you sometimes.
And you talk about what you've been doing over the
past twelve months and making everything work is called the
short term for the long term.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, and look, you know, I really enjoyed it. You know,
there's nothing like you know, when we first did the
first cut this year on the block, and I think
I might have seen you to snapper steading on top
of all the earth that we pulled back for the
shed and the we had multiple contracts on side and
choppers go going, and it did feel like the early
two thousands, where you know, there was a vibe around
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south and of something that was changing and the positivity
was checking around the rule sector. And yeah, things were
pretty crazy back then. And I think we have a
better understanding of what we're actually doing and what we're
trying to achieve and the mitigations we're going to put
in place, so we don't I guess, expose ourselves through
just going with the ball at the gate and not
(05:25):
looking at the signs. But it was quite cool to
have that filling in, to be honest, because it does
feel like things have been a bit mundane in the
last fifteenth years or so.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So how are you looking there feed wise? Because varying
reports around the province regarding rainfall.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, Mensi's playing exceptionally well, the last probably six weeks,
six to seven weeks Brighton we got what twenty five
thirty meals yesterday, very welcomed. We just got another ten
to fifty ton of solid off in the stack on
Saturday night, so that rain was perfect and I was
(06:00):
standing here looking a week when we're just doing a
few more touches on and it's groundwater that feeds it,
and it's really slowed down, so that dry before Christmas
and the little January has really affected the groundwater level.
So that's a good indication that you know, we're still
o soub source will still be quite dry. So yeah,
hearing north of gauze. Things are a pretty challenging feed wise,
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but I'm hoping that they proceed something there ain't yesterday too.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Ye'll be pretty pleased.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And all your travel with the noth Field Scholarship was
last year and not this year due to the situation
in the Middle East as well.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I went pretty hardly up from the start. As soon
as at the scholarship, I started booking flights and just
getting it done, and I could have ended up watching
a lot of flights further back into the period where
now and yes, it would have been quite challenging. So,
you know, as interesting as I think the States were
just leaving the States as they bomb that first shelter
or bomb bombs and throng all the Nuks or wherever
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it was underground in June, and it was really interesting
the States that you know, people just were like, nah,
he's trunk's just bluffing. You'll never do it like that
was there was no you'd think being over In a
week leading up to it, there be a lot of
talk about it, but it hardly either came up because
people didn't Americas didn't think that the government will be
going as aggressive as what they are, So I can
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only imagine what the discussions are like over at the moment.
It's a bloody crazy scene and certainly creating some uncertainty,
which I guess is what we've been living with for
the last fifteen odd years with just evening gets thrown
at us in New Zealand. But very grateful of location
and obviously timing those of the season, having all we're
furt on and most of these will spend will bit
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the we've gottle bit more to do on the care
should yet you know, it will just depend on how
quickly this war comes and goes or who else gets involved,
And I'm picking China are going to start making their
opinion very clear now that having between Little Swaler and
the past being shot near excess energy is going to
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get constrained in a few months, I suppose will be worried.
So yeah, just gratefully, Keyeah.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It's actually a bit of a bit of a blessing.
I suppose where is this on the bus at the
bottom of the world.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Exactly, yep, yep. And and we kind of get its
own devices festers lom, don't we. So no, I think, yeah,
it's gonna be interest see what the immigration does. Think
he's going too one with you know, with the rich
and famous if they want to come here, or even
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the free trailing. But yeah, is it going to really
push another's upcoming over here? So you know it's I
guess that someone has been at Radio New Zealand is
you know what is immigration look in the next twenty
years he's in New Zealand. What is a culture in
New Zealand going to be where our politics is going
to be? And we can't think we're immune to that.
You start looking at those through of Iran and it's
quite fascinating, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, you just talk about positives on the ground in general,
you talk about the payout amongst other things, and I
think the mood and sentiment is one of a very
good feeling.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yeah, absolutely, there are. Surely the other banks have got
appetites and means.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Which gets.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
And you know, when was the last time we get
theory and the remix sector so aligned on performance that
there was it was creating health intension between the two systems.
And yeah, it's all good. I guess we're just going
to make sure we're all looking at reinvesting into our
businesses to keep to make sure that when there is
a bit of a slipping prices that we can manage
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it and carry on and show that we've got a
fair bit of resilience within our business and our farming systems,
so that you know, we can we can keep focused,
and I guess try and avoid some of the hysteria
that certain parts of the rule sector sometimes get caught
up in, which I don't think is helpful at all
for the well being of the community.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
To be fair, National Land Day must seem like a
distant memory.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Ye, but hey, wasn't it great like what memory was
an absolute success Andy, and it was just it was
ready okay seeing the grants lambs running through the site
on the on the front, it was fantastic and it
was just very well received and reports back from everybody
the Prime Minister had been what a fantastic day it
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was for the National Lamb Day. And we're just hoping
to really build on this going forward, and I hope
that you know, we can keep evolving in the Field
days every second year. I think it's a great platform,
but we are ambitious about going bigger. So watch the spaces.
This is what I'll be saying.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Good only Johnah, good luck there with everything that's going on.
We'll catch up again.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Jeers Andy, Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
John Pemberden and the Sergeant Dan Farming round up. Thanks
for Sergeant Dan Stock foods based here and Gore. You're
listening to the muster, Jeff ground is up next is
talk some politics all the.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Way manner.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Every day it's again closer going as then, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
You're listening to the muster on Hakanui.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Jeff Grant joins us next, former MP, a member of
the New Zealand Trade Envoy, amongst other things, Jeff, good afternoon.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
How are you good, Andy?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
How's everything in northern South for namely Balfa.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Oh, we got eighteen mills of rain over the last
couple of days, which was useful. We were looking for
a more rain standing to brown off again on the
on the ridges and stuff. So I should set us
up for the autumn.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Right this Middle East war, we're starting to see the
ramifications at the pump here. For example, last Friday, the
discount day at the local sealth service stations about a
dollar fifty seven for a liter of diesel. Fast forward
to this morning, the same product as about two dollars twelve.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, I see the Commerce Commission of sending out a
warning saying they think the pricing increase doesn't reflect the
true market situation and the sense that the fuel hasn't
even arrived at the higher price. But that's just part
of the reality. I always find it amusing you get
these emails telling you've got a price adjustment, which really
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means the price has gone up for something, and we're
going to see a bit of that. You know, transport
and logistics will come under some pressure over the next
three or four months. If this carries on for another
week or two and then we'll start to see it
and fertilize the price etc. As we get into the winter.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So we're saying good prices in the farm gate, the
farm gate inflation.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
All of a sudden, it's going to be the equation.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Isn't it always the case though? I mean, you just
start to think you're having a really good season and
then something comes along and changes the mathematics of it all,
and it's just it is what it is, and the
sense that we're going to see, you know, the impact.
I think the impact also for you know, places like
New Zealand, especially on shipping, is that extra cost of
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bring stuff having not been able to go through the
strait and delays. I'd imagine it's been a night for
the meat companies along with the dairy industry in terms
of where ships are sitting, especially with chilled meat, you
can't have it sitting in a sitting off the golf
on its way to the European market and then find
that you've got to freeze it down and find another buyer, etc.
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So yeah, tough time now.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Local government restructure has been well documented coming up eighteen
months now about changing to regional councils, especially here in
the South.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
What are you hearing? What's the latest?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Look, I think that the Local Government Commissions in the
process of its reports, I think it's holding a meeting
in the nineteenth and march down in Riverton to sort
of gather information in terms of people's thinking. I just
so people should get actively involved. There's a nonline survey
as well that they're doing. But the reality is, I
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just get a sense that the full councils down here
aren't really putting their mind to what's the best option
The change should take place, that's for sure, and I
think that there's a good argument to look at what's
the best delivery of a services for local government over
the next ten to fifteen years. There's a lot of
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emphasis on structure and governance, and governance is about two
percent of the cost. The reality is it's the services
and the staff that is a big cost of local government.
And you know, I find the focus in the wrong
direction to a certain extent.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
What's your gut feeling on this, Are these changes going
to happen regarding local government?
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Well? Look, I think there will be quite a some
course to find a solution in the Southland that does
create some amalgamation. I'm not convinced about two unitary councils
as an option, and again I would say it's a
drive for the structure. What we should be arguing is
well debating, is how are the services that we want
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over the next ten to fifteen years to be delivered
it and then look at the structure it gives the
best delivery. And so I think there's an argument to
centralize trans roading, environmental water into one. And so I'm
a bit of a fan of what you call centralize
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the services and localize the democracy. And so there's a
variety of structures you could do to do that quite professiently.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Hey, Jeff, what's your thoughts around the latest pole that
came out Christopher Luxe and in national plunging into the twenties.
Is it as catastrophic as what's being made out or
is this simply one pole?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Oh? Look, I think there's definitely a trend that's showing
that the coalition's struggling a bit in terms of the
people's attitude towards what's happening on the ground. So I mean,
you know, we've had lots of announcements about how things
are improving. But until people feel that in their back
pocket and also when they go to the pub on
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Friday night, that that sort of attitude towards saying are
we hitting in the right direction is going to be questioned.
I think it's going to be a there's always a
close election as you do get under an MP, and
I think that coalitions at some risk of not quite
getting over the line.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Do you think Chris Special will be doing the numbers?
Has it come to that point?
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Well, if he is, he's the wrong person. I think
that if you if we were down, if the coalition
or the National Party was down around there twenty two percent,
that would do a bigger change. I think they'll be
looking at what are they going to do to shift
it back up to around thirty one thirty two that's
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where they need to get to. They may just have
to accept that the new coalition may have us stronger
influence from New Zealand person and that will change the dynamics.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Who what bed the ideal candidate? They like Mike Mitchell
at Erica Stanford.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Oh, look, I think the reality is that you're never
quite sure. It's always hard. This sort of question about
who's the next person, because they never sort of shine
through until they are actually elected, and just in there
a dune as a classic example, I think that they
would have to look dynamically quite different from the current
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leader if they were to make a change, and so
Erica Stanford would probably be the one that's stuck out
a little bit. But I think that they'll probably better
to stick with what they've got through this election.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
The fake meat story that's losing traction by the day
almost I just thought it.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Was interesting to go back and have a little look
as we've talked about this before, and the two big
companies that have been in the market quite strongly since
you know, mid twenty fifteen are Beyond Meat and Impossible
Foods to American companies. Beyond Meats are publicly listed. If
you had their shares in nineteen, they're worth two hundred
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and forty three dollars each. They're now worth ninety six
seventy six cents. So the dramatic change in terms of
its value. What they're really struggling around is their ability
to to take on the big players like Tyson and
any leader who have used their you know, marketing strength
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to do some of the meat alterms of but the
reality is the market hasn't really responded. So what's happened
is that there's been a lot more analysis around what
are false or these meats in terms of what the
makeup is and the argument around the health side along
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with process food. That's because they use a lot more
ultra process food. Combination in terms of their product, especially
in the meat Hamburger paddies hasn't been successful, so they've
changed their swing now now talking about resource sufficiency, so
you know, impossible burgers talk about the fact that they
only used ninety nine percent less water and less land
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by about ninety six percent and ninety two percent less pollution.
But that's that global trend towards saying you know, what
am I doing about climate change hasn't really had an impact.
Fascinating figure though, if you changed all the current beef
production in the world to a plant based alternative, the
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global protein market would change to the extent that the
savings in terms of greenhouse gases would be greater than
the whole of the electric motor vehicle if every vehicle
in the world was changed to electric, So you would
save more from going to a plant based meat than
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you would. But the reality is the market is responding,
and so these companies are really struggling to find a
place in the market. And I just don't think other
than say Burger King and those providing an alternative, cheap
protein source, we're not going to see a big change
in the market in terms of what I call false meat.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Jeff Grant, always appreciate your time on the Muster. I'll
catch you at the one of Cache on Friday.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Here's we'll catch it in enemy.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Jeff Grant talking about alternative proteins, I suppose plant based
meat and the lack of traction that seems to have
got those share numbers as well. Unreal Morgan Green for
men his Fits. We catch up next. You're listening to
the Muster.
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Speaker 1 (20:57):
Morgan Green of in his Fits based in Riversdale, joins
us once again. Good afternoon, Morgan, Hell's awake in.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Oh good Thanks Andy, Good afternoon to you too. All
looked pretty good. I managed to see a little bit
of rugby first thing on That was Saturday morning, which
was quite good. So Ireland had another victory in the
Six Nations, and yeah, other than that, I wasn't working,
so I had a busy weekend at home, just splitting wood,
getting ready for the winter.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Remembering not that long ago we would tell the Six
Nations was all about close fought matches, and all of
a sudden, Scotland puts fifty points on France.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yet I can say forty.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, I actually didn't see the game. I just
saw the result, but it sounded like it was a
pretty crazy sort of a game. In at one stage
I think it looked like Scotland were going to put
seventy on them, yeah, the way it went, but looked
very exciting. It's a very very close competition. I don't
know if it means that the teams are good or
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whether they're all bad, but they're certainly even, which certainly
makes for a great competition, which is really good. Pretty
amazing how things can can change, you know, It's only
a month ago they were being touted as favorites for
there certainly joint favorites with France, and yeah, now they
can end up right down at the bottom of the table.
So it just goes to show how quickly things can
turn on, how quickly things can change.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, ground conditions in northern Southland, it's underescing how you
speak to them with the advice, just saying how it's
been a good season. You're actually really dry up there
up at a Miight's place at Riversdale on Saturday morning
and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
Yeah, No, certainly parts of northern Sideland are very very dry.
You know, we've we've obviously had I would have said
sufficient rainfall over the summer, but we've had so much
in the way of wind, you know, it's that evaporate
transpiration all that, you know, moisture has has disappeared, and
it is it's it's very very dry. Growth rates certainly
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have have slowed down, There's no two ways about that.
You know, we had a fair bit of rain yesterday
and last night which was very much welcomes, no question
about that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Are you saying Famer is having to hang on the
lambs just a little bit longer. That is dryer, but
doesn't mean that doesn't mean the lames are going to
be doing any bitter.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Yeah, No, look.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Hard to say. I think it's it's probably there's a
bit of variation out there.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
One of the one of the challenges that we get
when we're grazing down lower to the ground obviously, is
that those those lambs are picking up more in the
way of worms, so there's a bigger worm challenge, bigger
worm burden, which then puts more pressure on So you know,
it's it's a fine balance at times between you know,
trying to graze them to a point where you know
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they are getting the good quality feed, but equally having
enough feed in front of them as well. So it's yeah,
a bit of a fine balancing act at times. And yes,
certainly I think conditions here in northern Southland are reasonably challenging. Look,
we're still green, apart from on the hills where there's
certainly that's changed color, but in general we are green.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And okay, who inspikee to Andrew Capital of wes Ago
Morgie who was talking about fly strike not being as
bad as at the years, although this can be interpreted
according to the ground conditions as well.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Yeah, look, and you know, I certainly agree with that
we haven't seen, certainly haven't seen as much as other years.
Obviously there's a little bit around, as you would expect
at this time of year. But you know, compared to
some years where it's been really really bad, this year,
from the point of view of FLY, has certainly been
one of the better ones.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Cal scanning's and full motion at the moment.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
Yeah, look it is. You know, I just pulled over
on the side of the road. I'm just about to
head off and do some more. But yeah, look it
is a results in general have been pretty okay. You know,
I guess the long term average in dairy cows sort
of that six week in CAFRE it has been around
about that sixty seven to sixty eight percent. Last year
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we sort of more sat at the seventy one seventy two.
I think we'll probably be back around that seventy percent mark,
so little bit better than the historic long term average,
but probably a little bit back on last year. But
the other side of it is, you know, milk production
for most guys has been pretty good, and you know,
obviously prices are still pretty good. The GDT, you know,
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has had a few upswings in a row, which is
always helpful and sort of tends to consolidate, you know,
that milk price. I guess. You know, it's the whole
geopolitical situation in around that, you know, what's going to
happen there who knows, and that obviously may have a
big impact on things over the months ahead.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Are you surprised regarding scanning results?
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Good question.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
You know, I think they're probably about where I expected
them to be. You know, it's it's always a little
bit very variable. As I said, last year was pretty good,
which meant that, you know, we got off to a
really good start from the point of view of calving.
Sos calved down earlier, which meant that on average they've
had a few days extra, you know, to get that calves.
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So you know, I'm not surprised that things have gone
pretty well. I guess probably the one thing is that
we have had really good milk production all the way through,
like guys hit peak and then managed to maintain it,
certainly in this area, which has been really really good.
But often when that happens, at the find that reproduction
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hasn't gone too well. But I think both of them
this year have been have been pretty good. I heard
that we scan this morning was just over just under
a nine percent empty on the day. Probably you know,
if you look at minded you can probably normally you
add another couple of percentage points on there, but you know,
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certainly pretty decent result.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Entertainment in his fits Morgie the best way to get
in touch.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Oh, let's just pick up the phone two zero two
five six three six at Riversdale or two four nine
seven zero three nine at ten now and yep, as
usual we're here twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Get on your Morgie, enjoy the afternoon.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Hey, good to chat.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Andy Morgan, Green of Enemies Fits official Animal Health Advisers
to the muster.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Interesting, six nations over the weekend, Ireland doing the damage
or not the damage, but getting the winner. Suppose over
a plucky Welsh team. You say plucky that that just
defines battler, I suppose. But France getting beaten by Scotland
and England for the first time, losing to Italy. So
six nations has been good watching. You can't deny that.
James McNamee is up next. Let's talk a bit of well,
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let's talk a bit of hot fumbing.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
The muster on the farm with Southland District Council working
together for a better Southland.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Why do you a.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Way up to Garston this afternoon on the muster James
McNamee of Garston Hops growing Hops in Northern South and
you said it is a thing. We've spoken to James
on a number of occasions and we catch up once
again not far out from harvest. Good afternoon, James. I
texted you before to see how things are going. You
said it was bloody chaos.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yes, afternoon, here are you going?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, going pretty good here house things up there, they're
just pretty full on, i'd imagine.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Yeah, we're just getting reeve and so we've got a
few changes. We're doing the harvest here, so we've got
to build us here, Sparky's here, all sorts of trades people.
So yeah, just getting more getting ready or the harvest.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Well, I suppose as well, because you've been doing this
for a couple of years now. And learnings isn't a
very nice word, but it's exactly what you'll take from
one season to the next growing hops.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Oh, absolutely learning that. The word is learning. It's learning
your machinery, and it's learning your growing, your crop and
your cycles and your weather. And every season is different
and presents of different challenges.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So as far as the season's being different. What's been
the biggest challenge that you're faced on the farm for
this one.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Which springing was to that feat the main crops so
much for the effect of the new garden that we
were putting in, so it was very wet we could
work for the ground up, so we were delayed planting it,
which means we won't get the harvest off it this
year or just lifted in the ground. So that was
probably expected, but it just means you're not a early
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year away from getting any product off your investment.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So as far as a life cycle of a hot winds,
planting occur.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
In the spring and we really want to get it done.
If you other things you're trying to get done fall
over weekend seems to be or what quite a few
farmers say on some crops. But we try and get
it done in September, but it was really into November
before we got a chance to get that padic worked up.
So you know, you have to plant once and then
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you leave it here, so you don't have to plant
it every year. It's just when you're doing new garden
there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
As far as yield. What are you hoping for this
year we're.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Hoping for somewhere between twenty five to thirty times of hops,
so getting bigger each year. Last year we had seventeen ten.
So the pop plants yield more each year as they
get older more mature. It takes them three to four
years of maturity. So even if we didn't plant anymore
hops each year a year will be going up as
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each garden gets more mature.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So what are you basing the yield off as far
as cropping the ground?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
What's what? What area are we talking? Roughly?
Speaker 7 (30:22):
We're going to harvests about twenty one heap years this year,
and the garden that we aren't going to harvest us
seven heat years. So we've got twenty eight heat years
in crops now and we have seen twenty one heap years.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So the other seven that you're not doing is that
the one is that the stuff that didn't take?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Great?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yes, that's quite a bit in an operation though not
to be up and running.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Well, yes, yes, yes, to fact that fact to them
as you go. But it's just part of the ciphle
getting up to speed. It takes three to four years
to get them up and you've got an extra year
at the beginning as well, as you bring the plants
in when they're little, and you put them in the
nursery area for a year and they stay here to
get used to the environment, and then the second year
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they go out in the gardens. So it's probably five
years before they get the full speed.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
So you're trying different varieties each season. James, we are.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Still doing the five main varieties that we've been doing.
They've been doing well. We do want to look at
trying a little ones. We got little mounts one hundred
two hundred plants of little varieties and just working out
which ones goes best here. And we're still looking at
the idea of getting a local grown pop based off
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the old wild feral plants of around here for the
last one hundred and fifty years and the old online days.
So we're stills foring that idea as well.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So as far as the frosts that we've hit over
the past, wait, what's that going to do?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
What's that? What's going to happen there regarding the crop.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
Well, the frosts putting a stress on the plants, so
it will make them produce different files, which is the
compound inside the hops and different flavors, so you'll get
a different flavor hops and then beer out of it.
So the brewer is actually quite lock. Like the stress
on the hops. One of the things spread Tira growing
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hops down here is there a different tiara in the
leather too, and having ut hot days between having and
then the cold nights puts different stresses on them so
that you have different flavor beers from the hops.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Well, when you say different stresses from a farming viewpoint,
this is the last word you want to hear. But
obviously in the game you're and it's a good thing.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
I put the plant and the stress there is a
few years ago it snowed One Day's read Harvest and
Garage Project made a vehicleed fucking hops and snow and
it was really really good, and it was unique because
put the flavor out that the hops don't usually do.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
How intensive as the harvest as such, like labor wise.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Pretty intensive. We're expecting between thirty two and thirty five
people to turn up on Sunday, so they'll turn up
on Sunday. We're induction day on Monday and then we'll start.
That'll be split into two teams and we'll have a
morning shift and an afternoon shift, so effectively we have
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seen from five to three in the morning to midnight
split in the two shifts. So we've got to simulate
all those people into two teams. Last year we had
twelve different nationalities. So you're going to make sure that
we have some common ways that they understand how to
do the job effectively and safely. So they all return
to their homelands with all fingers attached, them all nicely,
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health and safely. They having fun and enjoyed their time.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That's a good way to look at it. Do you
put them up accommodation wise?
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Most of them, we have got some combination there. Most
of them tend to bring their own van, their backpackers.
They're traveled around New Zealands. What they tend to like
is somewhere a part of their vans somebody to do
their cooking and cleaning and the world's fastest WiFi known
to mankind and their happy larry.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Now, as far as the messaging that you're doing there
at cast and hops and you're telling your story, are
you getting a lot of push through as far as
your product, Yeah, we.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Seem to be doing all right. We do have a
unique product because of the different terror their soil and
our climate and in their latitude.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
O day one hours.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
So yes, we are getting pushed through and selling around
with now selling products in New Zealands, Australia, the United States, Canada, UK,
and we've got their first European brewery in Hollands and
(34:53):
we've got some hops and South Africa and we got
interests from Japan and Germany coming this You what does.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It like for regulations and n p I and everything
when you're doing hops?
Speaker 7 (35:06):
The hops are a food group, so you've got to
you've got to have for your basics basics food group
safety and there make sure events clean stopped after UH
and simple stuff like when you're when you're greasing machinery,
you use food safe grease rather than normal grease. So
we have a whole whole program and whole audit to
(35:27):
make sure we're doing that.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Just finally, James, so what's happening up there this weekend?
Speaker 5 (35:34):
And this weekend we're getting.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
Ready for the harvest and all the people arriving then
will start and then the follow weekend is actually we
have a bit of a harvest events, so we'll just
be taking the hops from the fresh hops you can
use once a year when they're not paletized, and we'll
be taking up to Queenstown and what be doing them
like they did one hundred years ago. We're going to
(35:56):
use horses, clothes horses. We use the steam train and
a boat and then we take the hops cross to
Elsib Brewing and they cut them in, the top them
in the kennel and they make a fresh, hot beer.
So that's hopefully we'll have a hoppy beer. And we
also company that with a hobby sheep.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Now that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
James, Always appreciate your time catching up as to what's
happening there, and after harvest we'll do a bit of
a recap. Always appreciate you catching up.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Eankesllent.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
No great now, thank you for that. And yeah, hopefully
hopefully the rest of your week goes well and look
forward to seeing you around the farmer sometimes for a beer.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Why do you miss James McNamee of Garston Hops. Still
a fascinating story growing hops in Northern Southland. A different
kind of story. The story of the black Caps coming
second in the T twenty Cricket World Cup.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Andrew Watterson wraps it next.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
When you say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
When the black.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Caps, arguably so because they might be singing that will
be the day they're just unfortunately bride'smaid's yet again in
a T twenty World Cup final. Andrew Ortison a new
stig ZB is going to break this down for us
right now. Older is good afternoon. It's another case of
what could have been for the black Caps.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
It is a bit Eddie and I think they well,
I think they've met their expectations over the course of
the TIMA where you think of where they are in
the context some of those other teams, but just a
step too far against India. And I look at that
Indian inside and look at I mean Abashek Shama and
and s Andrew Samson at the top of the order.
For argument's sake, the start is and kshat as well.
(37:37):
They're a product of the IPL system and those types
of banners. They really know how to find the boundary
in New Zealand just absolutely can in fight of there
at times me two fifty five for five, there's just
putting some enormous pressure on I mean, sitting there as a
skipping zild skipper didn't seen in the year in I
me probably hoping that for the due on the ball
(37:57):
of it later on something of that nature and the
ad night. But once they had those runs on the board,
that was always going to be a huge ask for
New Zealand and pressure right from the weird go.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So is this the case of the black Caps overachieving
once again?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Well, I think it is certainly in the context of
the tournaments. I mean, I think, what's there a second
T twenty World Cup Final and they've been in two
just the over World Cup finals, they won a World
Test Championship. That's all happened in the space of the
last eleven years. I think they do it sounded like
a bit of a cliche at times and you know,
punch them ve their weight for one of a bit
(38:36):
of term, but you know they're a good team and
probably greater than some of their parts, and they've put
it together again over the course and.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
I think it's probably helped too.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
They had the build up games against India and India
won those four ones, and there was a side of
things to come from the build up series. But there
is certainly a far crof from the build up to
the twenty twenty four tournament of the Caribbean when they
bugger all play it all in the lead up and
just all sort of congregated on the site on the
(39:06):
days of the game, etc. And we're out in the
pool stages. So this is an incredible turn around from
that and it shows the value of that prep and
they've been able to wake it through to the final
and of course tremendous. Weatter the semi as well over
South Africa and saw with Alan and siphoned up front
that would be one of the great partnerships in Tea
twenty cricket. For his eld I would have thought that
(39:28):
one hundred and seventeen. But you know, they just haven't
been able to take it out and push it onto
the into the final.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Dale Stone, South African fast bowler has labeled the Kiwis
chokers after losing yet another final.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Is that a few call? I mean, you look at
the stats and they are.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Now he need to look a bit closer the home
first before he starts throwing the label choker ound. I
would have thought, but there you go. I'm sure it's
good nature, but yeah, it's yeah, it's really I suppose yeah,
in the eye of the beholder. So we say, as
to who the chokers are out there, but New Zealand
(40:06):
not quite able to pour it office in India. I
guess underlining their dominance across the game and what they're
able to achieve in this day and age being the
the I guess juggnall that they are in the cricketing fraternity.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
In a monetary sense, New Zealand has always looked upon
as being very small in the in the big basket
of the cricketing landscape. What does this mean for us
so and we consistently pull about our weight as such
on the world stage. Are we going to start seeing
some more revenue due to tours by the Big three? Effectively?
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Well, I think they've got good relationships with each of
the Big Three. I think that's the key here. That's
a credit to New Zealand, and that's you know, the
friendly nature or the good nature. And people are asked
sometimes the Ace should play with more mongrel in New Zealand.
But the fact that they built up these relationships over
a period of time boat as well. People love playing
the black cap side and that particularly is in relation
(40:59):
to India as well, and it obviously comes back through
broadcast steals et cetera. But then overall as well, and
you see your need. I know, we talk about the
prolifferation of these sessions and there was an e below them.
There's too much cricket. You know, less is more will
be better, et cetera. But you do need it in
terms of driving the revenue, and no tournament drives revenue
(41:19):
like a T twenty tournament in India for the entire
cricketing world and the bigger pie of revenue that comes
with that. So really it's a great thing for cricket
and what should be the trickle down effect.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
The thing about T twenty cricket orders is that the
circus just continues, if you can call it a circus,
because the prote is men's side over here playing the
black Caps starting this weekend.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
So there's no rest, No, there's not no response whatsoever,
and it just yeah, keeps on going. You think, oh,
I sort of feel for these guys weave it coming back.
I mean they've had all this time over on the
subcon then you want a bit of a break or
at least week or something just to refresh, or maybe
a couple of weeks even to be able to I
(42:05):
guess just get back to normal life and then before
you head and impact the suitcase again, so not a
lot of when from the ICC they need to have
a good look at this with not a lot of
thought given to those players with those windows, et cetera.
With just cricket just packed in left, right and centers,
we're sort of referencing before. So yeah, I suppose at
(42:28):
least New Zealer fans will get something more out of
the summer now, though given that the January February period
has been taken at least international dot to the end.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Is this just the nature of T twenty crackeut It's
just such a disposable commodity.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
Yeah, feels that way.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
From my mind, and there's LEAs on it as a result,
doesn't resonate as much, you know, especially when you compare
it to say tests, So yeah, it's very much. I
imagine hoping that people will come through the turnstiles and
they'll be at a cash But whether it's the case
or whether it's over kill from mays to be seen.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Now that great game stick cricket from not that many
years ago, some unreal stats came out of it, but
all of a sudden we're seeing all these statistics come
to real life, none more so than the weekend Brett
Randall claiming five wickets in a row in first class
cricket in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Well you think about less's more, Well, this is this
is the rarest of the rare, what two hundred and
fifty four years of first class cricket and it has
never been done anywhere. And that's to take that triple
hat trick so years you say, five from five and
he's managed to do it for CD against what I
think was his former province in Ndy. And Brett Randall
has really delivered. I've watched it online and you know,
(43:41):
some crazy delivers it from him. And on this occasion
he's cash in every single time, and disease to celebrate accordingly,
I think, yeah, he's just saying afterwards just almost just
couldn't believe it happened. He was absolutely exhausted after They
just wearing the mantle of it, if you like, of
what had a curred. So yeah, that's it, the real
rarity and one that should be cherished, so imagined that
(44:04):
their assitions all around the world will.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Be just in a real lander over this one just
finally orders ground conditions on the PoCA Pocacwi block.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
How's the farming life, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
Pretty good, it's been.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
I must say though, Eddie that we had we had
to hate the paddic ready to go in December and
it was bailed. And I know that our contract that
he has very loyal to us and asked to him
and we're quite high out the batting order I think.
But it wasn't bailed until the first week of February
and that tells you something about where the rain's been at.
It wasn't like four maybe five days in a row
(44:35):
of fine weather anywhere in that stretch. So yeah, there's
the there's the climate for you and our parts is
what we get to see. But it's nice and dry
in the shed now. It's the most important thing.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
That's the main thing. Orders. Hey, thanks for your time.
As always, you enjoy the.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Week, looking forward to added chairs, laugh out loud with
ag proud because life on the land can be a
laughing mass.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Brought to us by Sheer Weell Data working to help
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I'm Andy Muir.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
This has been the Muster thanks to Peter Jenelix. See
you tomorrow, you know,
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