July 19, 2026 • 44 mins
Andy Muir talks to Jon Pemberton. Joseph Mooney, Ben Dooley, Tim Sanson and Jason Pine.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Ah, good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hokanoi,
brought to you by Peter's Genetics. My name's Andy Miller.
Here until one o'clock this afternoon, thanks to your company.
On a blue sky field afternoon down here in the
Deep South. Temperature wise at the moment seven degrees, so
we're going for a high ten. Talk about the weather shortly,
(00:27):
but look, it's all about the sport this afternoon. You
talk about the FIFA World Cups, Spain getting the chocolate's there,
the All Blacks beating Islands, but you haven't heard a
thing about it today, which is crazy considering it was
a pretty good win over the Irish Shelllett as well.
Central Pirates one of the biggest upsets. Sam's calling in
(00:48):
the Tribune in Southern Club Raby beating Midlands and a
wait of a did too final against Mazarin. So everybody
involved in Central Pirates, well done on that front. But look,
the big sporting story is especially around the country, Ryan
Fox winning the Open and just the fourth New Zealander
a win a golfing major, and this is huge in
a sporting landscape. Jason Pineer News Talk ZEB is going
(01:10):
to put some perspective around this later on in the
hour without further ado though the music today David Bowie.
This song here heroes Ryan Fox, That's what he is.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Hakanui's five day forecasts with twin Farm teff from and
soft Text the Proofs and the Progeny tenth from dot
Co dot inzead.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
For the rest of Monday, partly cloudy, have come variable
winds and ten. Tuesday cloudy, you're breezing all Westle's five
and fourteen. Wednesday partly cloudy, have come variable winds four
and thirteen. Thursday afternoon showers a light nor easterlies four
and thirteen. And on Friday, well, this is when we
get a change. Showers are breezing or Westerly's two and
nine and on three. Through the weekend it's going to
(01:55):
get colder as well, so temperatures to hand this afternoon
Clinton six point five, Harriet four point eight, Northern Southland
five point one, Riverton eight point three, tianw five point four,
Winton five and Woodland's six point nine of John Pembleton
dairy farming at Brighton, getting us Underwear and thes Sazan
(02:15):
Dan Farming rounder Joseph Mooney MP for Southland talks about
council mergers, a bit of a theme for this over
the next couple of days. Ben Dooley talks about this
as well. Federated Farmers is organized a couple of meetings
on Wednesday. We'll talk about this in a bit more
detail during the hour. Tim Sanson formerly of Riversdale, but
these days working in the five fox industry in Perth,
(02:38):
which stands for fly in fly out. We love a
good ac from them here on the Muster and Tims
and studio to give us an understanding of what it's
like to be a worker in Perth in this intriguing industry,
and Jason Pine of Newstalk ZB puts it into perspective
Ryan Fox in this achievement. And we touch on the
World Cup final as well, Spain over Argentina in a
(03:01):
rather spiteful affair. So we'll get under way shortly with
John Pemberton. This is the Muster thanks to Peterson Nix.
Seven after one, John Pemberton joins us this afternoon Farming
of Brighton and the Sergeant Dan Farming round Up where
(03:23):
we speak to different farmers around the Southern region every Monday.
Here on the muster and that is thanks to Sergeant
Dan Stock. Food's hearing. Good John Ohouse, thanks, yeah, good
Andy Hegan on that can't really complain blue Sky. It's well,
weather's not too bad for where are we getting towards
small how two thirds of the way through July carving
is just around the corner.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Oh, it's been ridiculous Setember. Since we're having eight like
it's sort of talk of something like that. It's either
been really really good days or crappy days. Not no
real dreary, sort of standard winter. It's been phenomena really.
The old Robert Lamar is still going every ten day
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It's been a real as far as growth in general, though,
what are your covers like?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Ah, yeah, we're a bit we're just tight. And the
new block that we brought in decided to sult once
we hit May, and that wasn't really a plan. So yeah,
we've gone to where we can just come up. We'll
let us smack with a bit of sa The soulf
has sort of been stripped right out of it really,
so but now I look it's a new development block
(04:27):
and it's those are the challenges, right, You can't it's
it's certainly behaving different to the to the home original block,
and that's really when you're bringing a.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
New leand you've had a lot of redevelopment going on
on that block though as well. It's been hictic over
the past couple of months.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't. Yeah, there hasn't many time off
over this winter, to be honest. So weekends and weekends
are full with catching up on what I've missed out
of being down to council, this local government forms creating
a fear bit of work and such like in the
u RMA. So yeah, pretty full calenter at the moment.
So looking forward to getting through that phase of council
(05:05):
and looking forward to completing the shed build, which we're
about ninety nine point nine percent done. We'll have cows
on the yard tomorrow, so yeah, sort of, I guess
I'm looking forward to the to the back half August.
Once you get through the through the middle of the carving,
we've got cow sitting, the carves starting hit the ground
now and the heaf and mob. So yeah, but sort
of that messy sort of crunch time outside of what
(05:27):
would be a conversion where you so they don't really
have a routine the day, so that normally turns up
about mid August. So yeah, we've been to get through
the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, it's a polar opposite of last year for you,
John O. Were you sitting on your noth field?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did do my best to make
it look like it's a bit of a jaw, But
there were some pretty big some pretty big days. There's
a couple of two three night's sleep between meetings and
flights and all that. So yeah, I am looking forward
to some point actually having a holiday at some point.
Good But no, it was it was a hell of
a challenge and certainly wouldn't have be able to fit
(06:00):
it into the what I got going on at the moment.
So sometimes you get lacky with the opportunity's life throws
at you and the top books out right.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Looking back on your nough Field experience with time well sped.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I absolutely yep. And I just encourage anybody who's thinking
about doing the callogs or enough field if you got
inquisitive about it, just yeah, reach out to the rule
leaders and you see how it can work. And everyone,
you know, everyone's busy, and you do go and think
I just don't have time for this, but they do
(06:34):
me the people that can make it happen and make
it work, and yeah, absolute game changer for us business,
even my children going forward by meeting people that are
coming staying with us from around the globe. And that'll
continue for the next twenty years, I hope, you know.
So just real listing conversations at the dinner table, which
I think the kids is pretty exciting. Actually, you know,
(06:56):
think of my childhood and busy working around the farm
and didn't really get that engagement. So I'm hoping that
sort of leap frogs at kids ahead of ahead of
us the parents a bit. So you know, it's like yours,
just trying to get the next generation to punch along
a bit quicker carving.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
When do you start officially?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think today's actually yeah, today's actually for the official
kickoff for the heavens. So far over two thirty five,
so hence I need to hit cares of the yard
and I have a sort out because they're just not
really organized at the moment. So yeah, pressures on to
get them through, get some drenching minerals in them. And
we've just had KOs churn up last week they kick off.
(07:39):
In about another week they're starting to bag up. So
they've been up Central for the winter that they've done
really well. Yeah, I'm hoping we don't have too much
snow coming in the forecast. Luckily for trucking as they
sort of dribble so therevery a couple of weeks you
bring a few unit out time. So yeah, been quite
an impressive season really for ase winters. Go just hoping
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like how we don't have last The last two years
springs have certainly been a bit of a head stretcher.
But look, we've got this new feedpad which is going
to be a bit of a game changer for us
around how we manage those those periods and feed the
supplement too.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Just regarding this local government reform before we wind up, John,
you're an environment South and counselor, I dare say it's
been pretty hectic.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, it has, I think I think look, we had
a bit of a early last week with all the
other TA councilors you know, Southern District, ic C and GBC.
I think look, all we were trying to show was
what our role is, what we do and the challenges
around I guess been sidelined by the government and allowing
(08:49):
other councilors who use you don't have a full comprehension
of what's involved around managing catchments, making decisions of what
a local government reform would look like. And I think
our chair advice he did an acceptually a good job
illustrating that, and there was some sending some The feedback
(09:11):
I've had was it was certainly appreciated by the other
councils the information they got from the day, And I
think that's that's our role as counselors is to highlight
the challenges where we see the challenges and trying to
bring solutions and just trying to make something that's going
to last into the future, because you know, end of
the day, we're not building this around individuals, building this
(09:33):
around the structure of what they can look like for
the community. And obviously, in certainly quite a challenging political
phase at the moment, you know, the government was sort
of separate where regional council has gone. By twenty twenty seven,
they came back to the one and actually when they
dug am a deep and saw the complexity of a
few things, they decided to beat people on that one
(09:53):
go back to twenty twenty eight, so who knows what's
happening and who knows where the heads Dart program lands.
That's about my pay grade. But I just think we
just need to keep having these conversations and that he'd start.
Timeline is running up on us pretty quick, so let's
not waste time arguing. Let's just keep looking at solutions
and what people could bring to the table and what's
(10:14):
bace of South from moving forward? And we do have
some you know, if you look around the country and
you know South has been moving forward and the stuff
already quite a bit. And I guess my biggest worry
is if we look at national standardization around environmental stuff,
and you know, I think we could all be honest
and say if we had taranicky rules around effluent management
in Southland, I think everybody the community be quite disappointed
(10:37):
that that would be the new minimum standard. So just
those kinds of things, and they've taken account whatever we
achieved since the formation of Environment South. And yes, his
challenges around compliance and such light, but at the end
of the day, we're all working towards trying to have
a bit of South and for the for our next generation.
So I think that is happening and all the politics
(10:59):
from central government just can craft and blur the lines.
And yeah, I just really hope we keep that local
voice and that local influence and how we do things.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Doing you good only John O Well said, we'll catch
up again. All the best of Caving.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Cheers mate, So everyone.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
John Pemberton and the Sergeant Dan Farming round up. Thanks
of course, the Sergeant Dan stock foods right here in
the middle of Gore. Joseph Mooney, MP for Southland, is
up next. This is the muster. Joseph Mooney is MP
(11:36):
for Southland and joins us on the muster on this
pretty pleasant afternoon in the deep South. Joseph, good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Good afternoon, and yeah, it's pretty fantastic weather. Really is
it for winter? It's almost spring and I think he's
got a snowslater in the week.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Joseph. A lot of talk at the moment. John Pemmerten
touched on her briefly before around council amalgamations. Well, is
there an actual government preferent government preference around us or
is it a case of every region is different. There's
so much to decipher. It's a region by region scenario.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, there's there's a reason by reasons scenario. And the
government has invited expressions of interest and proposals from regions
and generalely want to hear from what they think would
be the best option. And we had Minister sign Watts
and myself and Penny Simmons anyway, the years chairs and
CEOs and the macagall about two months ago and Minister
(12:36):
Watt's made it really clear that there's no hard and
fast expectation or requirements, but really want to hear from
regions what they think the best option would be, and
really really invited some innovation and thinking about what you know,
people or what regions think is going to be the
(12:57):
best for you know, the area. So it's an opportunity
South and I know the sort of you know, he's
been a little bit of what he's been quite a
bit of discussion, to be.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Fair, Joseph, you're hearing straight off the bat though, difference
of opinions with the mayors in the South. So how
will this work?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, Well, it's it's up It's ultimately up to them
to have those discussions with each other and with their communities.
It's no requirement for them to put a proposal forward,
but obviously it would be good if they did try
to help shape the thinking about what would be good
for the South and you know, ultimately, how do we
(13:35):
get that balance between we want to reduce the costs
of delivery and we want to ensure these good representation
and strong representation of all communities across the region. And
so that's that's what would be you know, I'm hopeful
that they can work those things through with each other.
(13:56):
And you know, ultimately, because of the changes of the RMA,
I can't never coming and the fact that regional councils
will were just established, it does require a rethink about
governance and about local government. So you know, they will
necessarily be the need for a reorganization of local government.
But the government generally genuinely wants to hear from local
(14:20):
regions about what they need to see.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Is it realistic to expect all the councils will be
singing on the same handsheet when it comes to decision day.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Look, there's there's no expectation that they're going to be
on the same hand sheet that you know, it would
be great if it can put forward some proposals, and
it doesn't have to be a single proposal, but it
would be great if they can put forward some proposals
that the the government can look at and work with.
And you know this is this is obviously that only
(14:49):
the beginning. This is not not expecting everything to be
worked out initially, but if there can be some some
like broad strokes in terms of what regions would like
to see, that's where the governments came to hear from.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Now Mike Smith, well, he's an activist, let's be honest.
He's been wanting to take von terror to court. But
there's been changes around this now, So I suppose it
sounds like a positive outcome for industry.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah, it is, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
No.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
A bit over a year ago, I read through the
Court of Appeal in the Supreme Court's decision and Mike
Smith's case against von Terra and others, and then notice
that the Court of Appeal has said that it was
a matter that was too complicated and complex for the
courts to deal with, something that needed to be dealt
(15:40):
with by government because it involves so many sort of
policy decisions, so many potential costs triggers, and a lot
of different international agreements, and so I was just too
complex for the courts to deal with. The Supreme Court
took a different view, and they said because Parton hadn't
explicitly ruled out, Mike Smith proposed Taught that he wanted
(16:04):
the court to try to make that he could go
ahead and have a crack at it in court, but
a pretty significant potential, Taught was trying to make individuals
and companies liable for their emissions back to two thousand
and seven, and that created an enormous potential uncertainty and
(16:25):
would have meant potentially, according to the Supreme Court, anyone
who wasn't a well rephrase that Supreme Court said that
everyone could potentially be caught by this unless they were
an individual driving their car, cooking their food, or warning
their house. Otherwise everyone else could potentially be caught by it,
(16:48):
but that was a matter to be determined through litigation
down the track. So I thought this was just not
a good outcome, and so I wrote a bill to
roll that out as an option, and the government picked
up that proposal and made of the government bill in
the last few months and it's been working sway through
(17:08):
the Sleek Committee.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Last week South in Jersey On today or t Tiger
got the chocolates in the preseason game on Friday. You
U should go and approach the rugby unions and get
a dual jersey made you know that?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Actually a really good idea. I think I should think
I should have one split personally down the middle.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Oh, you can just wear a South and jersey full stop.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Like I went in South and were south of j
Tiger Jee.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
No, no, no, no, you were a South in Jersey.
It's Marion for life. You know that?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I do love southand.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Good on your mate and enjoy the week mates. Joseph
Mooney MP for Southland and divided loyalties when it comes
to the MPC getting underway end of next week. Actually,
Ben Darley's up next and before the end of the
year A Tim sents and talk about five FO and
Jason Pine out of news Dogs e.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
B the muster on the farm with Southland District Council
working together for a beta Southland.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh, wait to wonder to catch up with the Ben
Dooley sheep beef and youtub farmer dolls. How things yeah,
not too.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Bad and he's hard to complain right now. There's a
blue score in the sunshine, so she's a bit weak,
but it is wondering it's supposed to be, so yeah,
not a lot to complain about.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, you're actually based at Minna. How about oh five
minutes ten minutes or so from Wyndham, is that correct?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
That's correct?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, wait for a drive through your neck of the
woods yesterday and a couple of observations. You got a
big cemetery, big crops and big roads.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
You were on the one good gravel road in the
whole district. I think the one dawn this way is
a bit narrow or it's only a bit three and
a bit meter's wife. But yeah, no, we won't tell
too many people. But she's not a bad we spot.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh it's a beautiful drive through there as well. It's
a link to the Catlands.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I think you covered Mockerator
and Glenham as well. Like I say, we shouldn't be
exposing too many secrets here. But yeah, it can be
cold and wet, but it is our own little sauce
a pair of us.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
How's it all going? I mean, geeus, some good looking
paddocks around that nick of the woods, you know, a
bit of grass about.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, no, we've done pretty well. I think most people
in the district are pretty similar. Crops just did exceptionally
well this year. We put a bit more end of
airs as well, which means they're even better. So I've
currently got two hundred and fifteen earlies and about being
on three hundred triplets, way too many bloody triplets again
out on grass. Everything else is still on crop and
(19:35):
I was just doing some numbers. Materials will probably come
off about the fifth of August, the lighter end of
the mixt aage us about the tenth, and the fatter
end about the twentieth, and Hobbits should hopefully be on
until about the first of September. And that's with everything
but the hogit's going on on the twenty third of
May because we knew we had a bit much. So yeah,
the Paddocks has certainly had a good spell and we
(19:57):
did carry reasonably good covers in and of course that
first but the June was still quite growthy, so yeah, no,
we're looking pretty good at the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
A bit of average weather at the end of the week,
but I suppose for towards either July a bit of snow.
It's going to happen sooner or later, I'd imagine.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Oh, absolutely, you've got to expect at heaven you and
as we've always said, with much rather it now than September.
Not to say that if it happens now it won't
have it in September, but yeah, there's nothing worse to
having a nice cruisy Wonder the whole way through and
there having September just destroy u. So no, it's good
to have Wonder in winter. And we haven't had a
decent amount of snow in winter for quite a week while.
(20:35):
To be fair, it's been a few years.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Hopefully it's all over and done before carving gets into
full swing as well doals now. Crystal is on the
show tomorrow. Of course, South con Federated Farmer's President Local
Government Reforms is a meeting happening well, a couple of
meetings in the South on Wednesday around this and Joseph
Mooney touched on it before. But there's a lot here
for eight payers to understand.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, there is. Look, we've got an opportunity here to
get things right. I guess right is very dependent on
your own perspective. But the government have put out this
thing where they're saying that that councils have to have
to take out some form of amalgamation. Obviously, we have
four councils in South and we have the in the
Cargo the district and then the Gore District as well
(21:18):
as the regional council. And we're a province of for
one hundred thousand people I think less than fifty thousand
rate payers, so there's definitely savings to be made, but
at the same time we do want to protect our
voice and keep the money from rates going back to
where it came from, so to speak. So all we're
doing with FEDS is just holding a couple of meetings,
(21:39):
a couple of events. I guess it'd say we've got
some good speakers coming down that are really scored up
on the stuff, and it's just trying to actually get
people to understand what's happening so that instead of the
councils making a decision for us and choosing what they want,
is three of them want one thing and one want another,
and we would possibly err on the side of the
one council's one being a better option. But like I say,
(22:01):
not for us to decide, it's for the people to decide.
But you're just getting people in formed so they can
actually make that decision instead of we just wind up
with what the councils find easier for them, because it's
not actually about them, it's about us.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Are you a bit confused by the process?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
The process itself is way over my head. A few
of the other guys and feuds that they're all over it.
I just I just have a fear understanding of the
options that we have. Of guess you'd say, so, yeah,
it'd be good just to get that out there now.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
The main things are happening on in the Cargo twenty
second this Wednesday one thirty at the Feeds building on
Fourth Street, and in Gore that evening on seven pm
at the Lodge. We're just you're just encouraging people to
get along there and get a so I can get
an understanding, I suppose, because there's a lot going on
in the political landscape, let alone all this.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, And it's just unbiased information that's going to
be going out as all it is. It's just here
are the facts. This is what will happen if we
go this way. This is what will happen if we
go this way. It's just a matter or whatever way
we wind up going. It's it's just just yeah, getting
the information out there. Anyone's everyone's welcome, come along, have
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a listen, and either might be a little bit of
time of the end for questions and answers.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, the policy experts and feds are going to be
there as far as your YouTube channel, Sheeap, Deep Sealth,
Sheep and beef. Get it right. How's that been? Yeah?
No good.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I haven't really been doing a huge amount on it lately,
but it still since to be gone pretty well. Had
a new post ram to turn up a week while ago,
So that's that was on one of the videos. And yeah,
the other one was just the aftermath of scanning. I
didn't actually get any recording done during scanning, but yeah,
bigger result there one hundred and ninety four percent across
the board, which is just too high. Too many triplets.
But yeah, we go into that in a bit of
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detail on the video. So if you want to see
my opinions on triplets, yeah, I have a look.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
What are your opinions on triplets?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I would rather we had none. I would almost rather
they were all singles. Almost. Look, there's opportunity there. We
hauled one off every set that had three live last year,
and we hand read them. There's money in that at
the moment the year before they wouldn't have been. It
would have been a would have cost less money to
do it, just with the prices of where they were
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last year at work. But it is a huge amount
of work. You always have more U losses and your triplets.
You obviously have far more LAM losses and your triplets.
We have tried many, many things to get our triplet
numbers down, and all we seem to do is wind
up getting them higher and higher or staying the same
at the very least. So No, at fifteen and a
half percent triplets, it's far too many, and I would
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love to have any ideas on what I could do
that don't involve starving my sheep at mating to get
those triplet numbers down, because they're just a pain.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
As ironic as it sounds, do you start calling your
triplet sheep?
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Well, we don't. But what we do do is we
do not keep replacement ulambs from triplet use. So if
they is a two dooth, we don't get many, I
should probably be taking them out. I don't necessarily identify
yous that of head triplets, but no lamb. We just
don't have the time and resource at the moment to
do that. But no, you that no lamb that was
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read from or born as a triplet will even make
it to the U lamb flock. So we've been doing
that for fifteen years now and that's made no difference.
Maybe we do need to get deeper, but none of
the rams that come here at either triplet born, they're
not allowed to be. You sort of can sort of
almost remove the genetic component. But what else am I
just feed them too much? I don't know, but I'm
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pretty hesitant to feed them less. I don't flush, It's just,
you know, we just feed them well the whole way
through autumn if we can, because I like to have
fat use going in the winter. But yeah, like I say,
if anyone's got any ideas that don't involve feeding less,
I'd love to hear.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Good on your mate. We'll leave it there. Catching a
couple of weeks. That cheers Emmy, Ben Dooley, shape beef
and YouTube farmer and influencer for that matter as well.
It's not ironic too many lambs at lambing time. Interesting
the way that the circle evolves. I suppose Tim Sampson's
up next. This is the muster, don't no, this is
(26:17):
the muster on Hokanui. Tim Sampson, formerly of Riversdale, joins
us this afternoon like you're throwing their former Northataga NPC
coach as well with us the story for another day, Tecker.
You talk about five FO, the fly and fly out
industry over in Western Australia. Now Tim's taking the plunge
and he's gone from New Zealand over to Perth working
(26:39):
in the mines. Joins us in studio as he's got
a bit of a break from doing the hard yards.
As such.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Good afternoon, afternoon, and he good to be here.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The fi FO industry, you hear a lot about it,
but I suppose from your perspective, why.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh, there's no real good reason. Most people go for
the money. Obviously they hear that there's great money to
be made, and there is. But for me it was
more about an adventure. You know, I'm ticking over in
the years now and if I didn't take the chance
to do something like this now, I'd never do it.
And I thought, well why not nothing to lose? Go
and have a look around. And I've never been a
(27:18):
fan of driving machinery, as anyone that knows me will
attest too, but they've chucked me in these big dump
trucks and.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I absolutely love it. I love the day to day work.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's pretty long hours with the twelve twelve hour shifts
for fourteen days in a row, including night shift, but
you get a week off, so you get a bit
of a break and rehydrate and you're good to go.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
It's a pretty brutal working life, truth be known, though
it won't be for everyone.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It's definitely not for everyone. The six months I've been there,
I've seen about seventy people come and go. Some people
last couple of days, some a couple of weeks. It's
I think I had the advantage of being lucky enough
to have gone to boarding school as a young fella
and then sharing which had me stay away from home
a lot, and then latterly in a professional life and sales.
(28:08):
I've traveled a lot around Australia and New Zealand, so
sort of used to being on the road and away
from home. But it's quite an isolated experience until you
don't realize how much you're in the middle of nowhere
until you have a look on Google Earth or something
like that and you sort of realize, actually, all you've
got out there is yourself and your workmates.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
There's nothing else. There's just nothing for miles.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I was going to say, working in the mines and
doing these twelve hour shifts day in, day out, Yes,
you do get a week off in between. How do
you stop yourself from going back crazy?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I suppose, Well you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You just go crazy and then worry about it the
next day. But no, generally speaking, you find your own
week crew amongst the people you've got there. You have
a few yarns and just sort of try and keep
each other relatively motivated. Not so much for work, just
in terms of staying healthy. There are people that lose
(29:09):
control completely. It gets too much from them, and they're
encouraged to have a day two off and just sort
of rest up. It can get the better of people
quite easily, particularly if they've got relationship trouble at home
and all that sort of thing, you know, and their
kids at home and things that really really can bite them.
And people tend to react in different ways to that
(29:30):
sort of thing, which is one of the reasons excuse
me why site doesn't have full strength alcohol anymore. They
discourage that because people were struggling then loading up on
alcohol and then all sorts of trouble was happening. So
it's sort of improving, and they take the mental health
thing relatively seriously.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Describe the dynamics and nationalisms that you work with.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, the predominantly Australians, and then the next would be
New Zealanders, and then you've got a coad an array
of people depending on the jobs. There's a lot of
Africans work in the mechanic area because they come out
of the mind sights over there and they've got to
be pretty on the ball.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
They're very good.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
A lot of people from Asia do a lot of
the geology type work, which is pretty critical to what
goes on. And then in your camp support, which is
your cooks and your cleaners and all these sort of people.
They could vary from anyone. A lot of Irish people
backpackers traveling around. They come and they'll do three or
four weeks that then they go and do something else.
(30:33):
But in terms of the guts of the working force,
the two top dogs in our mine of both New
Zealanders and there's a lot of ex military involved in
the tops as well.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
From here.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
But what are the people received like though, If they're
only only for say three or four weeks and they're away.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Again, everyone's treated the same when they arrive. You're all
on the same level and they're very good at ensuring
that you're welcomed and everything's done properly. But at the
end of the day, if you don't survive and thinks
anything less of you, it's just not for everybody. It
can be quite a harsh environment, and the loneliness in
particular can get to your night shift drops a lot
(31:11):
of people off. They think they can do it, but
then you get into these great, big machines putting around
in the middle of the night, and it's a different
world and unless you're prepared to take the time to
learn about it and adapt to it, you're just not
going to last.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
As far as New Zealander is leaving the country going
over to Australia, we've heard a lot about it recently.
Do you hear a many Aussies wanting to come over here?
I think Capital Gains is quite a bug beer over
there at the moment. Capital gains tacks.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
No, No, I don't know that I'm talking to does.
Some would like to come for the lifestyle, purely because
of the mountains and the rivers and the lakes and
the hunting and the fishing. But generally speaking, at the
end of the day, money talks and that's why they
stay there. There's a lot of expertise New Zealand expertise
and mining over there that I've spoken and IM said,
(32:01):
you're going to come back and have a look at
Bendigarfa gets going and they said, well, no, I won't
pay enough. It won't even be close to enough for
them to come back and do that. So no, I
haven't seen anyone or heard of anyone jumping to get
over here because of capital gains tax And let's face it,
the way the political system is here will end up
(32:22):
with it anyhow, regardless of who gets and it might
not be this cycle, but it'll come.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And eventually, what happens if Bendigo gets to go here,
what does it mean for the South?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
From what you've seen, I can't understand why there's a delay.
Like I said earlier, and New Zealand's traditionally made its
living off top of the ground in Australia under it
or Western Australia under it. We're in a unique position
here and particularly in Central Otago where in the West Coast,
where we can make it off the top end underneath.
(32:49):
And the people that say that the money is going
to go overseas from these mines are pretty short sighted.
These are the guys that make a living out of
living in a tourist area. So you know, money comes
and money goes. But ninety percent of the people that
work at Bendergard imagine we'll have to live fairly local
and they're going to get paid a lot of money
where they're going to spend it locally. And then they
(33:10):
jump up and down about the condition that they may
leave the mind sight and will I watch the rehab
guys on air site working and what they turn what
we do into is incredible. What they're able to do,
these guys, and it'll look a whole lot better than
it does now. And as for trying to preserve everything
that's natural, if we did that, we wouldn't have the
(33:31):
Clyde Dam, so we'd have no power, we wouldn't have
that beautiful lake. Dunston Cromwell wouldn't have gone ahead. You know,
these people that jump up and down about everything, don't
mind when a road's being built, when the house is
being built, when new orchards go in and new vineyards,
and you know, people skiing over the top of lizards,
flat out up on the mountains. They're happy to take
(33:51):
the money for that. What's the difference?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So how long can you see yourself doing this?
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Well, I'm getting old.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I ask you there. You never asked someone the irack.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I think I initially set out to do a couple
of years just for the adventure. So I've negotiated a
deal which anyone that's been over there in the pilber
will understand, but where I can knock off at the
end of November and go back in March because the
heat will kill me over there. When I arrived late
January down in the pits, that was getting well over
(34:23):
fifty six degrees, which is just ridiculous, you know. And
also at that time of year, you become better at
kung fu than Bruce Lee at bashing away the flies.
So I don't know what the point of those things is,
but so yeah, I reckon if I can get through
this year.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
I'll look at another year.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And that's one one of the beautiful things about this
mining is no one cares about your age. And there's
guys over there seventy year old driving trucks and diggers
and things, and no in bets in island. They actually
welcome experience out on those sites because they're mature enough
to handle what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Just finally, Tim, what are your words of a anybody considering.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Five days, Well, I have a crack, have a go.
If you know someone in it, that's the way to
get in there. That's the quickest way. Have a plan,
that would be the biggest thing. Have an exit plan
before you go. If you if you go over there
just by the seed of your pants, you'll end up
doing it. All the young people do over there that
(35:22):
have no idea what they're going to do in life.
When they dart off to Bali or all other parts
of Indonesia of Southeast Asia on their week off and
they come back, you're about thirty more tattoos and one
hundred more piercings and absolutely no idea what they're going
to do the following two weeks. So have a plan
and if you're if you're serious about getting onto.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
The property ladder.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'd advise get to Western Australia again in the minds,
build yourself a house there. The finance for housing is
readily available for that.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Good on your term. Thanks for coming into gudio and
enjoy your break.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Thanks Andy, good to see you, Tim Sads.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And formerly of Riversdale these days a Fi Fi worker
in Western Australia. This is the Muster. Before you wrap up,
Jason Pine out a Newstalk ZB, welcome back to the Muster.
(36:20):
Fox on the Run, as the name of the song
by sweet of course, the one and only Ryan Fox
putting himself up in lights for the right reason this
morning by winning the open. Jason Pine, hosts of Weekend
Sport on Newstalks ZB, joins us Piney Good afternoon. Is
not very often the youll Blacks having a comprehensive victory
on a Saturday is put to the bottom of the
(36:41):
sporting column. But that's what we've seen today.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Well, I guess you look at how often something like
this happens Andy, and good afternoon to you, and you think, well,
it's so uncommon. You know, he's joined a very very
exclusive club. Ryan Fox of kiwis two of one golf majors,
Bob Charles, Michael Campbell, Dame Lydia Coe and now Ryan
(37:05):
Fox adds himself to that list. And look, I think
everybody who watched through the night, or woke up this
morning to see the back end, or just heard about
it and have been watching it back would say that
this was an absolutely tremendous performance from Ryan Fox. We
saw him shoot the sixty two in the third round,
(37:26):
which catapulted him up from fifty first on the leaderboard
to a tie for second, and we wondered was that
possible again another low round, and Ryan Fox went out
there and did exactly that. So look, one of New
Zealand's great sportspeople, one of New Zealand's great humans. Actually,
anyone who's had anything to do with Ryan Fox will
(37:48):
testify to that. And to see him lifting that Claret
jug this morning was really really heartwarming and a great
way to start the week.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
When does this rank and Kiwi sporting achievements right up there,
right up there?
Speaker 7 (38:02):
I mean, you think of as I said before, only
only three others have done it. And you know, in
the history of golfing majors, you know there's only a
couple of hundred winners of major tournaments in the entire
history of golf. And we're talking a global sport here, Andy,
You know, it's a sport that's played in pretty much
every country in the world, from your weekend hackers up
(38:25):
to your you know, your leading amateurs, and then it's
to the professional ranks. And there are so many professional
golfers and those just bubbling under who have designs on
just making it into one of these professional tours, let
alone playing in a major, let alone winning a major.
So it's rarefied air. I think, no matter what happens
(38:48):
for the rest of twenty twenty six, we've got our
Hallberg winner for twenty twenty seven. Everybody else will have
to play second fiddle because this is one of the
great New Zealand sporting achievements.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
What does this mean for Ryan Fox going forward?
Speaker 7 (39:04):
Well, a lot of money to start. I don't think
that'll bother him so much. He's earned plenty of that
and has got himself very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
The big thing it earns and Andy, is the exemptions.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
I think he's got pretty much got a lifetime entry
now into the Open Championship by virtue of being one
of its winners. He's also, as I understand, he've got
a five year exemption into all of the other majors
as well. So he knows he's going to Augusta for
the next five years. He knows he's going to the
US Open for the next five years, he knows he's
going to the PGA Championship for the next five years.
(39:37):
So that alone just gives him so much, you know,
comfort around his planning. He knows he can put those
in the calendar and then he doesn't have to go
off to every you know, every other golf tournament across
across a season, and so I've better play there and
get some points to try and make the Masters or
try and make these majors. It just gives him so
much more freedom to plan his golfing calendar. You know,
(40:02):
it's and this is a guy, let's not forget this end.
He hadn't up until last year, he hadn't won on
the PGA Tour. You know, he had been had been
on the European Tour for a long time. The PGA
Tour he was quite new to, but he never won
on the PGA Tour. And then all of a sudden
in the space of a month he won twice, and
I just wonder how much confidence that gave him, and
also how much of a frame of reference had gave
(40:24):
him this weekend when he knew what it was like
to be in contention to win a big golf tournament
and look, this is bigger than a win at the
Canadian Open and such like. But even so, just having
had that experience of being in touch on the final
day of a golf tournament like he has been, I
just wonder whether that was a big part of this
today as well.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
That final hole of the eighteenth he said to his keddy,
We're just going to attack because I want to win
this thing. That's nerves of steel. How he managed to
do that is beyond me.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
Yeah, and that's two of the is like he could
have pard that hole and gone into a playoff. He
knew that if he parted, and it's a very I
mean for these guys anyway, it's a pretty straightforward part four.
But he went, no, no, I'll get a t shot in
the middle of the fairway. And then the most important
one is probably the approach his iron shot that takes
him to within three and a half meters of the hole,
(41:16):
and then he rarely, I guess knew that he had
a couple of goals at it.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
He could eat a burdye it with the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Even if he took two parts, that he'd be into
a playoff. But now he went right at the hole.
He said afterwards, like, I don't know how I hold
that birdie. My hands all over the place.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
I didn't really know where I was, But.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
I guess muscle memory takes over. And when that ball drops,
you know, just the elation. You know, they put so
much into it, these guys and girls who play on
the at the very top level. You know, you think
about it, Andy, you know how often you win a
golf tournament. It is so infrequent, you know, we can
weak out. These players are trying to make cuts and
(41:52):
to finish as harp as they can to earn points,
to earn money, and it's never a straight line. So
when that ball drops, it's not just I won this
tournament this weekend. It's everything else that has gone into
getting him to where he is now. And that to
me is you know, was on display when the you know,
he's pretty understated guy, Ryan Fox, you know he's he's
(42:15):
never going to be one for hooping and hollering too much,
but you could tell just how much it meant to
hamm And rightly so you know in that moment and
in the interviews he's done afterwards, it's yeah, he's what
a great what a great representative of New Zealand, Ryan Foxes.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Just to wrap up piety, how would you how would
you summarize the FIFA World Cup Spain getting the accolades
one in the final, Well, it.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Was the right result in the final.
Speaker 7 (42:40):
Argentina clearly had a game plan which didn't really involve
playing too much football. You know, for them not to
have a shot, not just a shot on target, but
a shot at all in ninety minutes just tells the
tale of a very, very one sided final. Spain scored
with their twentieth shot, so really with argent and goalkeeper
(43:00):
Emmy Martinez who kept his side in it, Leno Messi
had very little impact. I think that's a big part
of this. We know how much he can impact type
football matches. I think Spain right throughout the tournament were
the best team. France caught a lot of eyes, but
when the two of them collided in the semi final.
It was Spain who did a job defensively on France,
(43:21):
and they say defense wins championships in any sport.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
To concede just.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
One goal in eight games across a World Cup, those
are championship credentials. So yep, I think the right team
is lifting the trophy at the end of it. Say
what you like about the size of the tournament, the
length of the tournament, and all the sort of extraneous
thing the things that happen around it, including this morning's
rather bizarre halftime show which took about thirty minutes. But
(43:47):
the football itself I've loved and you know, I think
the quality of it has been has been very, very good,
and we've got a worthy winner at the end of itself.
We just look at the football, I think you can
probably it's been a success.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Jason Pine, weekend sports host on Newstalk ZB Thanks as always,
no doubt Tonight at seven o'clock on ZB to be
more commentary around Foxy.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yep, looking forward to that. Andy Goods chat as always make.
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Speaker 4 (44:48):
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On a blue sky field afternoon down here in the
Deep South. Temperature wise at the moment seven degrees, so
we're going for a high ten. Talk about the weather shortly,
(00:27):
but look, it's all about the sport this afternoon. You
talk about the FIFA World Cups, Spain getting the chocolate's there,
the All Blacks beating Islands, but you haven't heard a
thing about it today, which is crazy considering it was
a pretty good win over the Irish Shelllett as well.
Central Pirates one of the biggest upsets. Sam's calling in
(00:48):
the Tribune in Southern Club Raby beating Midlands and a
wait of a did too final against Mazarin. So everybody
involved in Central Pirates, well done on that front. But look,
the big sporting story is especially around the country, Ryan
Fox winning the Open and just the fourth New Zealander
a win a golfing major, and this is huge in
a sporting landscape. Jason Pineer News Talk ZEB is going
(01:10):
to put some perspective around this later on in the
hour without further ado though the music today David Bowie.
This song here heroes Ryan Fox, That's what he is.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Hakanui's five day forecasts with twin Farm teff from and
soft Text the Proofs and the Progeny tenth from dot
Co dot inzead.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
For the rest of Monday, partly cloudy, have come variable
winds and ten. Tuesday cloudy, you're breezing all Westle's five
and fourteen. Wednesday partly cloudy, have come variable winds four
and thirteen. Thursday afternoon showers a light nor easterlies four
and thirteen. And on Friday, well, this is when we
get a change. Showers are breezing or Westerly's two and
nine and on three. Through the weekend it's going to
(01:55):
get colder as well, so temperatures to hand this afternoon
Clinton six point five, Harriet four point eight, Northern Southland
five point one, Riverton eight point three, tianw five point four,
Winton five and Woodland's six point nine of John Pembleton
dairy farming at Brighton, getting us Underwear and thes Sazan
(02:15):
Dan Farming rounder Joseph Mooney MP for Southland talks about
council mergers, a bit of a theme for this over
the next couple of days. Ben Dooley talks about this
as well. Federated Farmers is organized a couple of meetings
on Wednesday. We'll talk about this in a bit more
detail during the hour. Tim Sanson formerly of Riversdale, but
these days working in the five fox industry in Perth,
(02:38):
which stands for fly in fly out. We love a
good ac from them here on the Muster and Tims
and studio to give us an understanding of what it's
like to be a worker in Perth in this intriguing industry,
and Jason Pine of Newstalk ZB puts it into perspective
Ryan Fox in this achievement. And we touch on the
World Cup final as well, Spain over Argentina in a
(03:01):
rather spiteful affair. So we'll get under way shortly with
John Pemberton. This is the Muster thanks to Peterson Nix.
Seven after one, John Pemberton joins us this afternoon Farming
of Brighton and the Sergeant Dan Farming round Up where
(03:23):
we speak to different farmers around the Southern region every Monday.
Here on the muster and that is thanks to Sergeant
Dan Stock. Food's hearing. Good John Ohouse, thanks, yeah, good
Andy Hegan on that can't really complain blue Sky. It's well,
weather's not too bad for where are we getting towards
small how two thirds of the way through July carving
is just around the corner.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Oh, it's been ridiculous Setember. Since we're having eight like
it's sort of talk of something like that. It's either
been really really good days or crappy days. Not no
real dreary, sort of standard winter. It's been phenomena really.
The old Robert Lamar is still going every ten day
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It's been a real as far as growth in general, though,
what are your covers like?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Ah, yeah, we're a bit we're just tight. And the
new block that we brought in decided to sult once
we hit May, and that wasn't really a plan. So yeah,
we've gone to where we can just come up. We'll
let us smack with a bit of sa The soulf
has sort of been stripped right out of it really,
so but now I look it's a new development block
(04:27):
and it's those are the challenges, right, You can't it's
it's certainly behaving different to the to the home original block,
and that's really when you're bringing a.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
New leand you've had a lot of redevelopment going on
on that block though as well. It's been hictic over
the past couple of months.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't. Yeah, there hasn't many time off
over this winter, to be honest. So weekends and weekends
are full with catching up on what I've missed out
of being down to council, this local government forms creating
a fear bit of work and such like in the
u RMA. So yeah, pretty full calenter at the moment.
So looking forward to getting through that phase of council
(05:05):
and looking forward to completing the shed build, which we're
about ninety nine point nine percent done. We'll have cows
on the yard tomorrow, so yeah, sort of, I guess
I'm looking forward to the to the back half August.
Once you get through the through the middle of the carving,
we've got cow sitting, the carves starting hit the ground
now and the heaf and mob. So yeah, but sort
of that messy sort of crunch time outside of what
(05:27):
would be a conversion where you so they don't really
have a routine the day, so that normally turns up
about mid August. So yeah, we've been to get through
the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, it's a polar opposite of last year for you,
John O. Were you sitting on your noth field?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did do my best to make
it look like it's a bit of a jaw, But
there were some pretty big some pretty big days. There's
a couple of two three night's sleep between meetings and
flights and all that. So yeah, I am looking forward
to some point actually having a holiday at some point.
Good But no, it was it was a hell of
a challenge and certainly wouldn't have be able to fit
(06:00):
it into the what I got going on at the moment.
So sometimes you get lacky with the opportunity's life throws
at you and the top books out right.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Looking back on your nough Field experience with time well sped.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I absolutely yep. And I just encourage anybody who's thinking
about doing the callogs or enough field if you got
inquisitive about it, just yeah, reach out to the rule
leaders and you see how it can work. And everyone,
you know, everyone's busy, and you do go and think
I just don't have time for this, but they do
(06:34):
me the people that can make it happen and make
it work, and yeah, absolute game changer for us business,
even my children going forward by meeting people that are
coming staying with us from around the globe. And that'll
continue for the next twenty years, I hope, you know.
So just real listing conversations at the dinner table, which
I think the kids is pretty exciting. Actually, you know,
(06:56):
think of my childhood and busy working around the farm
and didn't really get that engagement. So I'm hoping that
sort of leap frogs at kids ahead of ahead of
us the parents a bit. So you know, it's like yours,
just trying to get the next generation to punch along
a bit quicker carving.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
When do you start officially?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think today's actually yeah, today's actually for the official
kickoff for the heavens. So far over two thirty five,
so hence I need to hit cares of the yard
and I have a sort out because they're just not
really organized at the moment. So yeah, pressures on to
get them through, get some drenching minerals in them. And
we've just had KOs churn up last week they kick off.
(07:39):
In about another week they're starting to bag up. So
they've been up Central for the winter that they've done
really well. Yeah, I'm hoping we don't have too much
snow coming in the forecast. Luckily for trucking as they
sort of dribble so therevery a couple of weeks you
bring a few unit out time. So yeah, been quite
an impressive season really for ase winters. Go just hoping
(07:59):
like how we don't have last The last two years
springs have certainly been a bit of a head stretcher.
But look, we've got this new feedpad which is going
to be a bit of a game changer for us
around how we manage those those periods and feed the
supplement too.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Just regarding this local government reform before we wind up, John,
you're an environment South and counselor, I dare say it's
been pretty hectic.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, it has, I think I think look, we had
a bit of a early last week with all the
other TA councilors you know, Southern District, ic C and GBC.
I think look, all we were trying to show was
what our role is, what we do and the challenges
around I guess been sidelined by the government and allowing
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other councilors who use you don't have a full comprehension
of what's involved around managing catchments, making decisions of what
a local government reform would look like. And I think
our chair advice he did an acceptually a good job
illustrating that, and there was some sending some The feedback
(09:11):
I've had was it was certainly appreciated by the other
councils the information they got from the day, And I
think that's that's our role as counselors is to highlight
the challenges where we see the challenges and trying to
bring solutions and just trying to make something that's going
to last into the future, because you know, end of
the day, we're not building this around individuals, building this
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around the structure of what they can look like for
the community. And obviously, in certainly quite a challenging political
phase at the moment, you know, the government was sort
of separate where regional council has gone. By twenty twenty seven,
they came back to the one and actually when they
dug am a deep and saw the complexity of a
few things, they decided to beat people on that one
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go back to twenty twenty eight, so who knows what's
happening and who knows where the heads Dart program lands.
That's about my pay grade. But I just think we
just need to keep having these conversations and that he'd start.
Timeline is running up on us pretty quick, so let's
not waste time arguing. Let's just keep looking at solutions
and what people could bring to the table and what's
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bace of South from moving forward? And we do have
some you know, if you look around the country and
you know South has been moving forward and the stuff
already quite a bit. And I guess my biggest worry
is if we look at national standardization around environmental stuff,
and you know, I think we could all be honest
and say if we had taranicky rules around effluent management
in Southland, I think everybody the community be quite disappointed
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that that would be the new minimum standard. So just
those kinds of things, and they've taken account whatever we
achieved since the formation of Environment South. And yes, his
challenges around compliance and such light, but at the end
of the day, we're all working towards trying to have
a bit of South and for the for our next generation.
So I think that is happening and all the politics
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from central government just can craft and blur the lines.
And yeah, I just really hope we keep that local
voice and that local influence and how we do things.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Doing you good only John O Well said, we'll catch
up again. All the best of Caving.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Cheers mate, So everyone.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
John Pemberton and the Sergeant Dan Farming round up. Thanks
of course, the Sergeant Dan stock foods right here in
the middle of Gore. Joseph Mooney, MP for Southland, is
up next. This is the muster. Joseph Mooney is MP
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for Southland and joins us on the muster on this
pretty pleasant afternoon in the deep South. Joseph, good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Good afternoon, and yeah, it's pretty fantastic weather. Really is
it for winter? It's almost spring and I think he's
got a snowslater in the week.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Joseph. A lot of talk at the moment. John Pemmerten
touched on her briefly before around council amalgamations. Well, is
there an actual government preferent government preference around us or
is it a case of every region is different. There's
so much to decipher. It's a region by region scenario.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, there's there's a reason by reasons scenario. And the
government has invited expressions of interest and proposals from regions
and generalely want to hear from what they think would
be the best option. And we had Minister sign Watts
and myself and Penny Simmons anyway, the years chairs and
CEOs and the macagall about two months ago and Minister
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Watt's made it really clear that there's no hard and
fast expectation or requirements, but really want to hear from
regions what they think the best option would be, and
really really invited some innovation and thinking about what you know,
people or what regions think is going to be the
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best for you know, the area. So it's an opportunity
South and I know the sort of you know, he's
been a little bit of what he's been quite a
bit of discussion, to be.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Fair, Joseph, you're hearing straight off the bat though, difference
of opinions with the mayors in the South. So how
will this work?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, Well, it's it's up It's ultimately up to them
to have those discussions with each other and with their communities.
It's no requirement for them to put a proposal forward,
but obviously it would be good if they did try
to help shape the thinking about what would be good
for the South and you know, ultimately, how do we
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get that balance between we want to reduce the costs
of delivery and we want to ensure these good representation
and strong representation of all communities across the region. And
so that's that's what would be you know, I'm hopeful
that they can work those things through with each other.
(13:56):
And you know, ultimately, because of the changes of the RMA,
I can't never coming and the fact that regional councils
will were just established, it does require a rethink about
governance and about local government. So you know, they will
necessarily be the need for a reorganization of local government.
But the government generally genuinely wants to hear from local
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regions about what they need to see.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Is it realistic to expect all the councils will be
singing on the same handsheet when it comes to decision day.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Look, there's there's no expectation that they're going to be
on the same hand sheet that you know, it would
be great if it can put forward some proposals, and
it doesn't have to be a single proposal, but it
would be great if they can put forward some proposals
that the the government can look at and work with.
And you know this is this is obviously that only
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the beginning. This is not not expecting everything to be
worked out initially, but if there can be some some
like broad strokes in terms of what regions would like
to see, that's where the governments came to hear from.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Now Mike Smith, well, he's an activist, let's be honest.
He's been wanting to take von terror to court. But
there's been changes around this now, So I suppose it
sounds like a positive outcome for industry.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah, it is, yep.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
No.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
A bit over a year ago, I read through the
Court of Appeal in the Supreme Court's decision and Mike
Smith's case against von Terra and others, and then notice
that the Court of Appeal has said that it was
a matter that was too complicated and complex for the
courts to deal with, something that needed to be dealt
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with by government because it involves so many sort of
policy decisions, so many potential costs triggers, and a lot
of different international agreements, and so I was just too
complex for the courts to deal with. The Supreme Court
took a different view, and they said because Parton hadn't
explicitly ruled out, Mike Smith proposed Taught that he wanted
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the court to try to make that he could go
ahead and have a crack at it in court, but
a pretty significant potential, Taught was trying to make individuals
and companies liable for their emissions back to two thousand
and seven, and that created an enormous potential uncertainty and
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would have meant potentially, according to the Supreme Court, anyone
who wasn't a well rephrase that Supreme Court said that
everyone could potentially be caught by this unless they were
an individual driving their car, cooking their food, or warning
their house. Otherwise everyone else could potentially be caught by it,
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but that was a matter to be determined through litigation
down the track. So I thought this was just not
a good outcome, and so I wrote a bill to
roll that out as an option, and the government picked
up that proposal and made of the government bill in
the last few months and it's been working sway through
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the Sleek Committee.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Last week South in Jersey On today or t Tiger
got the chocolates in the preseason game on Friday. You
U should go and approach the rugby unions and get
a dual jersey made you know that?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Actually a really good idea. I think I should think
I should have one split personally down the middle.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Oh, you can just wear a South and jersey full stop.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Like I went in South and were south of j
Tiger Jee.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
No, no, no, no, you were a South in Jersey.
It's Marion for life. You know that?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I do love southand.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Good on your mate and enjoy the week mates. Joseph
Mooney MP for Southland and divided loyalties when it comes
to the MPC getting underway end of next week. Actually,
Ben Darley's up next and before the end of the
year A Tim sents and talk about five FO and
Jason Pine out of news Dogs e.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
B the muster on the farm with Southland District Council
working together for a beta Southland.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh, wait to wonder to catch up with the Ben
Dooley sheep beef and youtub farmer dolls. How things yeah,
not too.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Bad and he's hard to complain right now. There's a
blue score in the sunshine, so she's a bit weak,
but it is wondering it's supposed to be, so yeah,
not a lot to complain about.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, you're actually based at Minna. How about oh five
minutes ten minutes or so from Wyndham, is that correct?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
That's correct?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, wait for a drive through your neck of the
woods yesterday and a couple of observations. You got a
big cemetery, big crops and big roads.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
You were on the one good gravel road in the
whole district. I think the one dawn this way is
a bit narrow or it's only a bit three and
a bit meter's wife. But yeah, no, we won't tell
too many people. But she's not a bad we spot.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh it's a beautiful drive through there as well. It's
a link to the Catlands.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I think you covered Mockerator
and Glenham as well. Like I say, we shouldn't be
exposing too many secrets here. But yeah, it can be
cold and wet, but it is our own little sauce
a pair of us.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
How's it all going? I mean, geeus, some good looking
paddocks around that nick of the woods, you know, a
bit of grass about.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, no, we've done pretty well. I think most people
in the district are pretty similar. Crops just did exceptionally
well this year. We put a bit more end of
airs as well, which means they're even better. So I've
currently got two hundred and fifteen earlies and about being
on three hundred triplets, way too many bloody triplets again
out on grass. Everything else is still on crop and
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I was just doing some numbers. Materials will probably come
off about the fifth of August, the lighter end of
the mixt aage us about the tenth, and the fatter
end about the twentieth, and Hobbits should hopefully be on
until about the first of September. And that's with everything
but the hogit's going on on the twenty third of
May because we knew we had a bit much. So yeah,
the Paddocks has certainly had a good spell and we
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did carry reasonably good covers in and of course that
first but the June was still quite growthy, so yeah, no,
we're looking pretty good at the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
A bit of average weather at the end of the week,
but I suppose for towards either July a bit of snow.
It's going to happen sooner or later, I'd imagine.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Oh, absolutely, you've got to expect at heaven you and
as we've always said, with much rather it now than September.
Not to say that if it happens now it won't
have it in September, but yeah, there's nothing worse to
having a nice cruisy Wonder the whole way through and
there having September just destroy u. So no, it's good
to have Wonder in winter. And we haven't had a
decent amount of snow in winter for quite a week while.
(20:35):
To be fair, it's been a few years.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Hopefully it's all over and done before carving gets into
full swing as well doals now. Crystal is on the
show tomorrow. Of course, South con Federated Farmer's President Local
Government Reforms is a meeting happening well, a couple of
meetings in the South on Wednesday around this and Joseph
Mooney touched on it before. But there's a lot here
for eight payers to understand.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, there is. Look, we've got an opportunity here to
get things right. I guess right is very dependent on
your own perspective. But the government have put out this
thing where they're saying that that councils have to have
to take out some form of amalgamation. Obviously, we have
four councils in South and we have the in the
Cargo the district and then the Gore District as well
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as the regional council. And we're a province of for
one hundred thousand people I think less than fifty thousand
rate payers, so there's definitely savings to be made, but
at the same time we do want to protect our
voice and keep the money from rates going back to
where it came from, so to speak. So all we're
doing with FEDS is just holding a couple of meetings,
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a couple of events. I guess it'd say we've got
some good speakers coming down that are really scored up
on the stuff, and it's just trying to actually get
people to understand what's happening so that instead of the
councils making a decision for us and choosing what they want,
is three of them want one thing and one want another,
and we would possibly err on the side of the
one council's one being a better option. But like I say,
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not for us to decide, it's for the people to decide.
But you're just getting people in formed so they can
actually make that decision instead of we just wind up
with what the councils find easier for them, because it's
not actually about them, it's about us.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Are you a bit confused by the process?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
The process itself is way over my head. A few
of the other guys and feuds that they're all over it.
I just I just have a fear understanding of the
options that we have. Of guess you'd say, so, yeah,
it'd be good just to get that out there now.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
The main things are happening on in the Cargo twenty
second this Wednesday one thirty at the Feeds building on
Fourth Street, and in Gore that evening on seven pm
at the Lodge. We're just you're just encouraging people to
get along there and get a so I can get
an understanding, I suppose, because there's a lot going on
in the political landscape, let alone all this.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, And it's just unbiased information that's going to
be going out as all it is. It's just here
are the facts. This is what will happen if we
go this way. This is what will happen if we
go this way. It's just a matter or whatever way
we wind up going. It's it's just just yeah, getting
the information out there. Anyone's everyone's welcome, come along, have
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a listen, and either might be a little bit of
time of the end for questions and answers.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, the policy experts and feds are going to be
there as far as your YouTube channel, Sheeap, Deep Sealth,
Sheep and beef. Get it right. How's that been? Yeah?
No good.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I haven't really been doing a huge amount on it lately,
but it still since to be gone pretty well. Had
a new post ram to turn up a week while ago,
So that's that was on one of the videos. And yeah,
the other one was just the aftermath of scanning. I
didn't actually get any recording done during scanning, but yeah,
bigger result there one hundred and ninety four percent across
the board, which is just too high. Too many triplets.
But yeah, we go into that in a bit of
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detail on the video. So if you want to see
my opinions on triplets, yeah, I have a look.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
What are your opinions on triplets?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I would rather we had none. I would almost rather
they were all singles. Almost. Look, there's opportunity there. We
hauled one off every set that had three live last year,
and we hand read them. There's money in that at
the moment the year before they wouldn't have been. It
would have been a would have cost less money to
do it, just with the prices of where they were
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last year at work. But it is a huge amount
of work. You always have more U losses and your triplets.
You obviously have far more LAM losses and your triplets.
We have tried many, many things to get our triplet
numbers down, and all we seem to do is wind
up getting them higher and higher or staying the same
at the very least. So No, at fifteen and a
half percent triplets, it's far too many, and I would
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love to have any ideas on what I could do
that don't involve starving my sheep at mating to get
those triplet numbers down, because they're just a pain.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
As ironic as it sounds, do you start calling your
triplet sheep?
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Well, we don't. But what we do do is we
do not keep replacement ulambs from triplet use. So if
they is a two dooth, we don't get many, I
should probably be taking them out. I don't necessarily identify
yous that of head triplets, but no lamb. We just
don't have the time and resource at the moment to
do that. But no, you that no lamb that was
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read from or born as a triplet will even make
it to the U lamb flock. So we've been doing
that for fifteen years now and that's made no difference.
Maybe we do need to get deeper, but none of
the rams that come here at either triplet born, they're
not allowed to be. You sort of can sort of
almost remove the genetic component. But what else am I
just feed them too much? I don't know, but I'm
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pretty hesitant to feed them less. I don't flush, It's just,
you know, we just feed them well the whole way
through autumn if we can, because I like to have
fat use going in the winter. But yeah, like I say,
if anyone's got any ideas that don't involve feeding less,
I'd love to hear.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Good on your mate. We'll leave it there. Catching a
couple of weeks. That cheers Emmy, Ben Dooley, shape beef
and YouTube farmer and influencer for that matter as well.
It's not ironic too many lambs at lambing time. Interesting
the way that the circle evolves. I suppose Tim Sampson's
up next. This is the muster, don't no, this is
(26:17):
the muster on Hokanui. Tim Sampson, formerly of Riversdale, joins
us this afternoon like you're throwing their former Northataga NPC
coach as well with us the story for another day, Tecker.
You talk about five FO, the fly and fly out
industry over in Western Australia. Now Tim's taking the plunge
and he's gone from New Zealand over to Perth working
(26:39):
in the mines. Joins us in studio as he's got
a bit of a break from doing the hard yards.
As such.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Good afternoon, afternoon, and he good to be here.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The fi FO industry, you hear a lot about it,
but I suppose from your perspective, why.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh, there's no real good reason. Most people go for
the money. Obviously they hear that there's great money to
be made, and there is. But for me it was
more about an adventure. You know, I'm ticking over in
the years now and if I didn't take the chance
to do something like this now, I'd never do it.
And I thought, well why not nothing to lose? Go
and have a look around. And I've never been a
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fan of driving machinery, as anyone that knows me will
attest too, but they've chucked me in these big dump
trucks and.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I absolutely love it. I love the day to day work.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's pretty long hours with the twelve twelve hour shifts
for fourteen days in a row, including night shift, but
you get a week off, so you get a bit
of a break and rehydrate and you're good to go.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
It's a pretty brutal working life, truth be known, though
it won't be for everyone.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It's definitely not for everyone. The six months I've been there,
I've seen about seventy people come and go. Some people
last couple of days, some a couple of weeks. It's
I think I had the advantage of being lucky enough
to have gone to boarding school as a young fella
and then sharing which had me stay away from home
a lot, and then latterly in a professional life and sales.
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I've traveled a lot around Australia and New Zealand, so
sort of used to being on the road and away
from home. But it's quite an isolated experience until you
don't realize how much you're in the middle of nowhere
until you have a look on Google Earth or something
like that and you sort of realize, actually, all you've
got out there is yourself and your workmates.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
There's nothing else. There's just nothing for miles.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I was going to say, working in the mines and
doing these twelve hour shifts day in, day out, Yes,
you do get a week off in between. How do
you stop yourself from going back crazy?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I suppose, Well you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You just go crazy and then worry about it the
next day. But no, generally speaking, you find your own
week crew amongst the people you've got there. You have
a few yarns and just sort of try and keep
each other relatively motivated. Not so much for work, just
in terms of staying healthy. There are people that lose
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control completely. It gets too much from them, and they're
encouraged to have a day two off and just sort
of rest up. It can get the better of people
quite easily, particularly if they've got relationship trouble at home
and all that sort of thing, you know, and their
kids at home and things that really really can bite them.
And people tend to react in different ways to that
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sort of thing, which is one of the reasons excuse
me why site doesn't have full strength alcohol anymore. They
discourage that because people were struggling then loading up on
alcohol and then all sorts of trouble was happening. So
it's sort of improving, and they take the mental health
thing relatively seriously.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Describe the dynamics and nationalisms that you work with.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, the predominantly Australians, and then the next would be
New Zealanders, and then you've got a coad an array
of people depending on the jobs. There's a lot of
Africans work in the mechanic area because they come out
of the mind sights over there and they've got to
be pretty on the ball.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
They're very good.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
A lot of people from Asia do a lot of
the geology type work, which is pretty critical to what
goes on. And then in your camp support, which is
your cooks and your cleaners and all these sort of people.
They could vary from anyone. A lot of Irish people
backpackers traveling around. They come and they'll do three or
four weeks that then they go and do something else.
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But in terms of the guts of the working force,
the two top dogs in our mine of both New
Zealanders and there's a lot of ex military involved in
the tops as well.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
From here.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
But what are the people received like though, If they're
only only for say three or four weeks and they're away.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Again, everyone's treated the same when they arrive. You're all
on the same level and they're very good at ensuring
that you're welcomed and everything's done properly. But at the
end of the day, if you don't survive and thinks
anything less of you, it's just not for everybody. It
can be quite a harsh environment, and the loneliness in
particular can get to your night shift drops a lot
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of people off. They think they can do it, but
then you get into these great, big machines putting around
in the middle of the night, and it's a different
world and unless you're prepared to take the time to
learn about it and adapt to it, you're just not
going to last.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
As far as New Zealander is leaving the country going
over to Australia, we've heard a lot about it recently.
Do you hear a many Aussies wanting to come over here?
I think Capital Gains is quite a bug beer over
there at the moment. Capital gains tacks.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
No, No, I don't know that I'm talking to does.
Some would like to come for the lifestyle, purely because
of the mountains and the rivers and the lakes and
the hunting and the fishing. But generally speaking, at the
end of the day, money talks and that's why they
stay there. There's a lot of expertise New Zealand expertise
and mining over there that I've spoken and IM said,
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you're going to come back and have a look at
Bendigarfa gets going and they said, well, no, I won't
pay enough. It won't even be close to enough for
them to come back and do that. So no, I
haven't seen anyone or heard of anyone jumping to get
over here because of capital gains tax And let's face it,
the way the political system is here will end up
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with it anyhow, regardless of who gets and it might
not be this cycle, but it'll come.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And eventually, what happens if Bendigo gets to go here,
what does it mean for the South?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
From what you've seen, I can't understand why there's a delay.
Like I said earlier, and New Zealand's traditionally made its
living off top of the ground in Australia under it
or Western Australia under it. We're in a unique position
here and particularly in Central Otago where in the West Coast,
where we can make it off the top end underneath.
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And the people that say that the money is going
to go overseas from these mines are pretty short sighted.
These are the guys that make a living out of
living in a tourist area. So you know, money comes
and money goes. But ninety percent of the people that
work at Bendergard imagine we'll have to live fairly local
and they're going to get paid a lot of money
where they're going to spend it locally. And then they
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jump up and down about the condition that they may
leave the mind sight and will I watch the rehab
guys on air site working and what they turn what
we do into is incredible. What they're able to do,
these guys, and it'll look a whole lot better than
it does now. And as for trying to preserve everything
that's natural, if we did that, we wouldn't have the
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Clyde Dam, so we'd have no power, we wouldn't have
that beautiful lake. Dunston Cromwell wouldn't have gone ahead. You know,
these people that jump up and down about everything, don't
mind when a road's being built, when the house is
being built, when new orchards go in and new vineyards,
and you know, people skiing over the top of lizards,
flat out up on the mountains. They're happy to take
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the money for that. What's the difference?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So how long can you see yourself doing this?
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Well, I'm getting old.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I ask you there. You never asked someone the irack.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I think I initially set out to do a couple
of years just for the adventure. So I've negotiated a
deal which anyone that's been over there in the pilber
will understand, but where I can knock off at the
end of November and go back in March because the
heat will kill me over there. When I arrived late
January down in the pits, that was getting well over
(34:23):
fifty six degrees, which is just ridiculous, you know. And
also at that time of year, you become better at
kung fu than Bruce Lee at bashing away the flies.
So I don't know what the point of those things is,
but so yeah, I reckon if I can get through
this year.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
I'll look at another year.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And that's one one of the beautiful things about this
mining is no one cares about your age. And there's
guys over there seventy year old driving trucks and diggers
and things, and no in bets in island. They actually
welcome experience out on those sites because they're mature enough
to handle what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Just finally, Tim, what are your words of a anybody considering.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Five days, Well, I have a crack, have a go.
If you know someone in it, that's the way to
get in there. That's the quickest way. Have a plan,
that would be the biggest thing. Have an exit plan
before you go. If you if you go over there
just by the seed of your pants, you'll end up
doing it. All the young people do over there that
(35:22):
have no idea what they're going to do in life.
When they dart off to Bali or all other parts
of Indonesia of Southeast Asia on their week off and
they come back, you're about thirty more tattoos and one
hundred more piercings and absolutely no idea what they're going
to do the following two weeks. So have a plan
and if you're if you're serious about getting onto.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
The property ladder.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'd advise get to Western Australia again in the minds,
build yourself a house there. The finance for housing is
readily available for that.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Good on your term. Thanks for coming into gudio and
enjoy your break.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Thanks Andy, good to see you, Tim Sads.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And formerly of Riversdale these days a Fi Fi worker
in Western Australia. This is the Muster. Before you wrap up,
Jason Pine out a Newstalk ZB, welcome back to the Muster.
(36:20):
Fox on the Run, as the name of the song
by sweet of course, the one and only Ryan Fox
putting himself up in lights for the right reason this
morning by winning the open. Jason Pine, hosts of Weekend
Sport on Newstalks ZB, joins us Piney Good afternoon. Is
not very often the youll Blacks having a comprehensive victory
on a Saturday is put to the bottom of the
(36:41):
sporting column. But that's what we've seen today.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Well, I guess you look at how often something like
this happens Andy, and good afternoon to you, and you think, well,
it's so uncommon. You know, he's joined a very very
exclusive club. Ryan Fox of kiwis two of one golf majors,
Bob Charles, Michael Campbell, Dame Lydia Coe and now Ryan
(37:05):
Fox adds himself to that list. And look, I think
everybody who watched through the night, or woke up this
morning to see the back end, or just heard about
it and have been watching it back would say that
this was an absolutely tremendous performance from Ryan Fox. We
saw him shoot the sixty two in the third round,
(37:26):
which catapulted him up from fifty first on the leaderboard
to a tie for second, and we wondered was that
possible again another low round, and Ryan Fox went out
there and did exactly that. So look, one of New
Zealand's great sportspeople, one of New Zealand's great humans. Actually,
anyone who's had anything to do with Ryan Fox will
(37:48):
testify to that. And to see him lifting that Claret
jug this morning was really really heartwarming and a great
way to start the week.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
When does this rank and Kiwi sporting achievements right up there,
right up there?
Speaker 7 (38:02):
I mean, you think of as I said before, only
only three others have done it. And you know, in
the history of golfing majors, you know there's only a
couple of hundred winners of major tournaments in the entire
history of golf. And we're talking a global sport here, Andy,
You know, it's a sport that's played in pretty much
every country in the world, from your weekend hackers up
(38:25):
to your you know, your leading amateurs, and then it's
to the professional ranks. And there are so many professional
golfers and those just bubbling under who have designs on
just making it into one of these professional tours, let
alone playing in a major, let alone winning a major.
So it's rarefied air. I think, no matter what happens
(38:48):
for the rest of twenty twenty six, we've got our
Hallberg winner for twenty twenty seven. Everybody else will have
to play second fiddle because this is one of the
great New Zealand sporting achievements.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
What does this mean for Ryan Fox going forward?
Speaker 7 (39:04):
Well, a lot of money to start. I don't think
that'll bother him so much. He's earned plenty of that
and has got himself very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
The big thing it earns and Andy, is the exemptions.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
I think he's got pretty much got a lifetime entry
now into the Open Championship by virtue of being one
of its winners. He's also, as I understand, he've got
a five year exemption into all of the other majors
as well. So he knows he's going to Augusta for
the next five years. He knows he's going to the
US Open for the next five years, he knows he's
going to the PGA Championship for the next five years.
(39:37):
So that alone just gives him so much, you know,
comfort around his planning. He knows he can put those
in the calendar and then he doesn't have to go
off to every you know, every other golf tournament across
across a season, and so I've better play there and
get some points to try and make the Masters or
try and make these majors. It just gives him so
much more freedom to plan his golfing calendar. You know,
(40:02):
it's and this is a guy, let's not forget this end.
He hadn't up until last year, he hadn't won on
the PGA Tour. You know, he had been had been
on the European Tour for a long time. The PGA
Tour he was quite new to, but he never won
on the PGA Tour. And then all of a sudden
in the space of a month he won twice, and
I just wonder how much confidence that gave him, and
also how much of a frame of reference had gave
(40:24):
him this weekend when he knew what it was like
to be in contention to win a big golf tournament
and look, this is bigger than a win at the
Canadian Open and such like. But even so, just having
had that experience of being in touch on the final
day of a golf tournament like he has been, I
just wonder whether that was a big part of this
today as well.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
That final hole of the eighteenth he said to his keddy,
We're just going to attack because I want to win
this thing. That's nerves of steel. How he managed to
do that is beyond me.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
Yeah, and that's two of the is like he could
have pard that hole and gone into a playoff. He
knew that if he parted, and it's a very I
mean for these guys anyway, it's a pretty straightforward part four.
But he went, no, no, I'll get a t shot in
the middle of the fairway. And then the most important
one is probably the approach his iron shot that takes
him to within three and a half meters of the hole,
(41:16):
and then he rarely, I guess knew that he had
a couple of goals at it.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
He could eat a burdye it with the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Even if he took two parts, that he'd be into
a playoff. But now he went right at the hole.
He said afterwards, like, I don't know how I hold
that birdie. My hands all over the place.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
I didn't really know where I was, But.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
I guess muscle memory takes over. And when that ball drops,
you know, just the elation. You know, they put so
much into it, these guys and girls who play on
the at the very top level. You know, you think
about it, Andy, you know how often you win a
golf tournament. It is so infrequent, you know, we can
weak out. These players are trying to make cuts and
(41:52):
to finish as harp as they can to earn points,
to earn money, and it's never a straight line. So
when that ball drops, it's not just I won this
tournament this weekend. It's everything else that has gone into
getting him to where he is now. And that to
me is you know, was on display when the you know,
he's pretty understated guy, Ryan Fox, you know he's he's
(42:15):
never going to be one for hooping and hollering too much,
but you could tell just how much it meant to
hamm And rightly so you know in that moment and
in the interviews he's done afterwards, it's yeah, he's what
a great what a great representative of New Zealand, Ryan Foxes.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Just to wrap up piety, how would you how would
you summarize the FIFA World Cup Spain getting the accolades
one in the final, Well, it.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Was the right result in the final.
Speaker 7 (42:40):
Argentina clearly had a game plan which didn't really involve
playing too much football. You know, for them not to
have a shot, not just a shot on target, but
a shot at all in ninety minutes just tells the
tale of a very, very one sided final. Spain scored
with their twentieth shot, so really with argent and goalkeeper
(43:00):
Emmy Martinez who kept his side in it, Leno Messi
had very little impact. I think that's a big part
of this. We know how much he can impact type
football matches. I think Spain right throughout the tournament were
the best team. France caught a lot of eyes, but
when the two of them collided in the semi final.
It was Spain who did a job defensively on France,
(43:21):
and they say defense wins championships in any sport.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
To concede just.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
One goal in eight games across a World Cup, those
are championship credentials. So yep, I think the right team
is lifting the trophy at the end of it. Say
what you like about the size of the tournament, the
length of the tournament, and all the sort of extraneous
thing the things that happen around it, including this morning's
rather bizarre halftime show which took about thirty minutes. But
(43:47):
the football itself I've loved and you know, I think
the quality of it has been has been very, very good,
and we've got a worthy winner at the end of itself.
We just look at the football, I think you can
probably it's been a success.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Jason Pine, weekend sports host on Newstalk ZB Thanks as always,
no doubt Tonight at seven o'clock on ZB to be
more commentary around Foxy.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yep, looking forward to that. Andy Goods chat as always make.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
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Speaker 4 (44:48):
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