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July 20, 2026 • 41 mins

Andy Muir talks to Grant McMaster, Chris Dillon, Sean Molloy, Graham Butcher, Max McCallum and Sam Riley.

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hokanui. My
name's Andy Muer. We're here until two o'clock. Of course,
Thaanks of Peter's Genetics. Thanks to your company. On an
overcast afternoon here and Gord. Currently though it is eleven
degrees and we haven't even reached the high for the afternoon,
so that's something to celebrate. Straight into it. Music today

(00:30):
is Brian Adams. He's playing in christ Church in March
and all going to play. My wife and I are
going to make the big venture ap to christ Church
Caviny where else In the last consent we went to Vinger. Boys,
need to remind yourself about that's five day forecast with
twin farm teffrom and soft text. The proof is in

(00:52):
the progeny tef rom dot co dot z. That's the
thing in life. You go to some concerts and your
expectations are beyond reality. Anyway, here's the weather this afternoon
showers and breezy nor westeries and a higher Thursday and
Wednesdays sunny with calm, variable winds two and eleven. Thursday

(01:13):
afternoon showers of light, noweasters four and fourteen. Friday showers
of breezy northerlyes one in ten and Saturday getting a
little bit nippy. Tell the girls to cross their legs
if the cows are Judas start to mix the rain
and snow with breezy westerlies at zero and five so
temperatures Clinton Sax, Harriet four point three, Grvin Southland four
point five, Harriot Reverdends Sorry seven point seven, tian Now five,

(01:37):
tender Rower seven point five, Winter four point five, and
Woodlands it's six point three Grand disaster. McMaster gets us
underway on close for a station on the edges of Lakewalker, Tippoo.
Chrys Dillon President's South Confederated Farmers. There's a couple of
meetings happening over the next couple of days regarding local
government reform. There is still a lot of variables regarding

(02:01):
this decision when it comes through, and Chris says, what
we organize in these meetings just to give people an
understanding of what these are about. There's still a lot
of confusion. Let's be honest. Graham Butcher farm consultant, talks
about farm drainage. It sounds like a riveting subject, but
look at something that's pretty relevant as well. So that's
the topic for today. Sean Malory, a pig farming correspondent

(02:22):
out of Sheffield and Canterbury, has some eigh watering prices
for land just sold in the last week up there
for a dairy farmer. You got to sit down and
listen to this. And Max McCallum out about for young farmers,
and our wif seed chap for the week. Sam Riley
out of PGG Rights and Goods, a stock sale report
out of Mighty Launville. Then we'll crank into a grant disaster. McMaster.

(02:45):
You're listening to the muster here until two o'clock thanks
to Peters Genetics coming up seven after one grand disast.
McMaster farms on the edges of Lake Quackertifa at closeper
In Station and catches up with us thanks to Harvey Rural.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Good afternoon, grunt, good afternoon, any, good afternoon, everybody.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
The basin hell sings.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
The basin's quite nice this morning, seven degrees. Some trying
to get out a bit of cloud about. I'm over
the at the Hell's Block At the moment. We're going
to shift the hog at sea and put a few
more breaks up and shift some heifers around but I'm
sitting looking right into the remarkable Skip Park and or
Skifield and there's not a lot of snow up there,
and you can see the old the poles or the

(03:38):
lift or whatever you call the buddy things sticking out
a lot of rocks. And the chairlift is called Chailer, Yeah, exactly,
the chairlift. They've never been on one. So but anyway,
not a lot of snow up there, and the same
as would turn around to Quiet Peak and it's the same.

(03:59):
There's snow, but there's not a lot. And I fear
it's gone this last week, so haven't had the frost
that we've had, which is quite good, but yeah, it's
still been quite cold. Forty three miles of rain last Wednesday,
so that sort of got rid of a bit of
snow too, to be fair. You know, just about the
end of July, and we know there's a lot of

(04:19):
a lot of crap weather can come from. You know,
well it can come at any time, but you know,
August is normally getting chucked a bit at us. But
you know, days are certainly drawing out a little bit,
and when the sun is out it's it's a little
bit warmer. I think that's truly because the frosts haven't
been quite so safe here. It's funny, how you know,
when you're dealing with the temperatures cold temperatures round them.

(04:40):
You know the zero is two three four five, and
you get that bit of left another even two or
three degrees. It seems it seems almost tropical, doesn't it.
And unlike we you know, in the summer, when it's
hot all the time and it gets cold, you feel
the cold more than you think ga is getting cold.
But when it's when it's cold and it gets bit warmer,
it's it's a great feeling and always feels warmer than

(05:01):
it is.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
But it goes rem mind us to plus two when
you wake up in the mornings. Certainly, yes you don't
do a happy dance, but you notice it in your bones.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Noah, you certainly do. But now, as I say, the
days are sort of drawing out a little bit, and
the we had that rain last week and it's you know,
things that's got that real win to look about it.
But we haven't a lot of wind and it's just
been sort of just cool weather.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
So you're working on a few budgets at the moment.
Ground that's a good news story. Of prices the way.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
They are, well, it's a bit it's a bit more
fun doing a budget for the last couple of years
have been a bit more enjoyable. And I guess, you know,
you look at it, that's it's the income is looking
pretty good and you feel good, right, and you know,
a bit more positive there. But then of course the
the inputs are both crept up pretty high, haven't they?

(05:51):
And and but it's all relative. So it's a good
job with with their with their with their costs rising
and what have that. Our prices are staying up. And
I think it's looking pretty good that people are spoken
to and and what you read in the papers, there's
certainly still that demand for protein. And I don't think
there's you know, there's no there's no worry about us

(06:13):
not being able to supply different countries. And I think
as long as they're you know, with a bit lucky,
our sheet numbers and cattle numbers, well, cattle will probably
go up, but sheet numbers stay the same. And it's
looking quite good. We're able to supply who we who
we want.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Really, yeah, of course finals at the moment, based on
the season they've had to be thinking about the three
little word that ends an eggs tax.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, well, the old thing they say, if you're not
making money, you're not paying tax. And we certainly there's
some of those political parties would like to tax us
a bit more. But I think, you know, we've we've
got to We do our share that heavy lifting, and
we certainly pay our share of the tax. So that's
just the way it goes. As long as we can
keep farming and they not have demi roadblocks in front

(06:57):
of us, will keep going. But you know, it is
it's a lot it's a lot better doing your budgets
like this year, knowing what we're well presuming it's still
going to stay the same or near enough, and it's
a lot you know, it looks a lot better for
that when you do first draft.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Anyway. Now you've done a bit of traveling this year, disas,
so you went over to the States. Would you say
you're positive for the season ahead?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, definitely, I think come yeah, I think it's looking
pretty good myself. And you know, you take the you
take what we've got as a product and how we're
and these these new trade deals we're getting and just
talk of you know how the States putting up putting
more tariffs on the meat we send into the United States,
but you know that meets just the amount of the

(07:41):
number of the number of lamb with lambs we put
in is still just keep it keeping up with the
growing population and they've got a declining number of sheep anyway.
So I think, you know, if I think we're in
the stage now with the work that people are doing
in the companies, that there's lots of options for us
without and you know, going through a field and new market,
and I think that's that's really positive.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Now we've throw to the Otago went to clubs. Of
course you're a dog trial and correspondent here on the
Master Grunt.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
How was it? Yeah, a good day yesterday over at
Tariff so manighbor Phil McMurray myself went over to represent
the mighty walked it up and congratulations to the Tariffs Club.
They put on a great day and they won the competition.
So they're the holders. They took it off Chuapeka West
that have held at the last couple of years, so

(08:31):
they lost it to the home advantage of the Tariff boys.
I know, it's good to catch up and everybody's pretty
positive over there. People are having you know, good seasons.
There's twelve clubs in the Targo, so eleven were represented,
so from you know right down to Tahattoka, to us
and to Tyrie. So yeah, everybody was sort of they
were pretty chipper about how things are going. And most

(08:54):
guys said that you know, they've had probably one of
the best winters out from you know, falling on from
when the autumn got into us and a good winter
and wet in places, but pretty pretty positive about what's happening.
So that's you know, you get off the farm and
you you always have a good catch up and that's
I think that's the best way to find out what's happening.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Really.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's a few clubs for a Tiger twelve as well.
That's pretty good. That's been pretty good high on to mention.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, no, it is, and you know they yeah, they good,
all good clubs. So it's always good to catch up
and have a bit of friendly fand and rivalry and
you tell the same stories and the bellows a few more.
But you know, we had a good day out there,
and as they congratulations to Tarras and speaking of dog twiling.
The indoor charity trials are up next next month on

(09:40):
the in August fourteen, fifteen, and sixteenth, So no doubt
we'll hear from Alla Gilroy also known as Michael Joyce.
He'll come with a few facts and figures for us.
And it's always a good that's always a good day out.
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
There something else to look forward to, and it goes
towards a great cause as well. Good on your great
get you next week.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Hey, before we go, great news, don't have Ryan Fox
winning that winning.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
The Open probably the story of the year in a
sporting sense. Good on your granted, it's a great way
to end.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Okay, take care.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Grant McMaster of Close Friends Station Weekly. Here on the
muster thanks to ARBI Rural. Up next Chris Dillan, President
of South Confederated Farmers. A few meetings going on in
the South over the next couple of days.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Everything dud.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
This is the Muster on Hakanui from the Waking Up
the Neighbours album, the song that Everything I'd do would
do it for You. I think it was the biggest
song of nineteen ninety one. Anyway, back to the Prison
twenty twenty six and to Chris Dillan, President of South
Confederated Farmers based at our Luster and Northern Southland. Chris, Good,
afternoon after very nearby now Federated Farmers. Quite a going

(11:00):
on this week and we're hearing a lot of commentary
around local government reform at the moment. This is as
confusing as it gets for a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
It can be. The probably at the moment is it's
the two process of the place. The councils are trying
to decide themselves and what needs to happen is the
people in the communities need to decide and go back
to their council is with what the community wants?

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Does this seem to be the concern here, Chris and
the Cargo Mare. For example, Tom Campbell is keen on
a one council approach, but this isn't reflected across his council.
Ralph Scott and Jeremy Beaird of Southland District and Environment
South And respectively, they're not singing on the same hymn sheet,
it seems, so what are the public meant to believe?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Well, that's the thing that public haven't been informed enough
on this and that's the intent of Generative Partner's meetings
tomorrow is to take instead of more independent the much
to how nitary council actually works and how they would
look in this province.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Is that what you're hearing? Were you speaking to pundits
out there? They're just confused by the process and frustrated
by the lack of information.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, the ones that don't quite understand it are the
ones that understand it are frustrated in the fact that
bureaucracy is getting in the way of what is the
future of local government and this this is going to
be how local government looks for the next fifty plus years.
You know, we've got to get this right. Yeah, we

(12:34):
don't want it designed to be as poor as it
is now.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well that was that in mind. Do you think the
time frame is too short to get this up and running.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
The time frame is just for them for the head
start process. This is going to be a three to
five year process. And it's unfortunate the way the government
is implemented or started ahead of the Resource Management Act
being sorted and the Resource Management and Act is what

(13:04):
feeds a lot of the legislation. And I think it's
been done a little bit backwards, but there maybe method
in the current government government's madness of.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Why they've done this regarding the arimay, what's going to
be what's to be concerned around it? With the changing
of government with local councils.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's a big piece of legislation to change. Are you
going to remember it or started with the the last government.
It's not this government that started it, but it was
implemented in nineteen ninety one and it hasn't been updated
and unfortunately it's been used against a lot of good
stuff happening in this country. It's to an extent that

(13:45):
has been almost weaponized in some cases and rarely abused
in others, so that there is fundamentally key to sorting
out a lot of this council stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
What's the biggest concern with you regarding council amalgamation, Chris.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
My biggest concern is keeping the local voice. And there's
been talk of continuing the community board style. There's been
talk of adding local boards. There's even starting to be
talk of adding captchment boards. Surprising Price, Let's go back
to the way things used to be before the regional
councils are change the way they do things so badly.

(14:26):
So yeah, that's my biggest concern, losing the local voice.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
And there isn't this shoe like one of the stories
or one of the options possibly merging closer with Gore
and all these areas outside of your province. But when
you're going onto different rating systems and then it gets
too complicated, it.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Does get very complicated. And that's that's the key to
the understanding. Tomorrow we're going to hear how unities work,
the size of an efficiency of how unities work. Yet,
like you are talking very complex systems. As you start
putting in more river systems, more undefined boundaries and bigger

(15:05):
areas to rate, it could all end up going very
very badly if you go to big.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
So Feeds has organized two meetings for the South tomorrow.
What's the info we need to know for.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
The first meeting is one point thirty and afternoon. It's
Federia Farmer's building on Fourth Street and Numbericago. It's going
to be an informal obsession there. And the next meeting
is seven pm at the Gordon Hotel and Gore and
it's the same. We have Meghan Hands who's the local
government advisor and we have Greg Anders and a new

(15:41):
board member and he's a specialist and the local government
stuff they come into to put a few options out
there and and basically answer any questions to the public. Ause.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
So it's just a case for people to turn up.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeap, turn up, ask the questions. It's there will be
obviously build people from the councils and that there they
may ask questions, but they're not the ones leading it
and telling you how it should be done. This is
your chance to listen to how they work and listen
to the options of how they could could be developed

(16:17):
to be what we need for the future and the
province going for good only.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Chris, thanks for your time. Joe Krystill and President of
South Confederative Farmers. Rome wasn't built in a day and
by the sounds of it, neither was local government reform.
What a minefield this is. We like Chris, there's a
couple of meetings happening tomorrow to give people a better
understanding of what this involved, because let's be honest, this

(16:43):
is well above my pay grade. For example, lead alone.
Everybody else's saw mlloy's up next from Sheffield, our pig
farming correspondent here on the Muster. Welcome back to the

(17:05):
Muster Summer of sixty nine. There by Brian Adams. We're
heading up now to Sheffield and Canterbury. Sean malloy is
our pork farming correspondent, Pig Farming Corresponding. Good afternoon, Sean.
Surely when you go along to that new stadium in
christ Church, that is one of the bangers they bang
out along with Neil Diamond.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
Yeah, mate, she's a corker in there.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
What's it like? Give us a bit of an idea
of what that stadium does.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
Oh mate, the probably the best thing for location, like
getting in and out. Everybody's been saying, how like we're
all talking about har easy just to get in and
out overthink parking in the parking bottoms. When I go
there in town and still manage to find a park
which is fantastic. And you know you're trying to meet
us as fat from bars and restaurants. The central city's

(17:51):
got a real vibe about it. Then you go in there,
you know, just that's the whole atmosphere of the lid
on the noise. We're well set up. The food's really great,
beers he's there, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Just fantastic builders and they will come as they say,
now big farming up in Canterbury. Is it interesting scenario
you're facing out there at the moment you reckon it's
really dry it.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Has been here apart from that week of rain. They've
got about eighty mill But yeah, if it wasn't for that,
we wouldn't have we wouldn't have had many snow for
the kids for the school holidays. Yeah, it's yeah, it's
been really dry.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Is that concerning going forward that your winters are moving
around because it seems to be the case here in
the south.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
Uh, yeah, a little bit. Are you always worried when
you've got a lack of lack of moisture. We've got
the irrigators so that sort of takes a little bit
of that stress away. But yeah, yeah, it's always a
bit of a worry. Who knows what we're going to
be delivered to talking al Nino, but yeah, we'll have
to wait and see, won't we.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Have you had much in the way of frosts this winter?

Speaker 6 (18:59):
A pretty mild really, but yes, we've had a few,
but they're all pretty pretty pretty soft really, and to
be fear actually up here at Sheffield within getting a
bit of the Northwest, so we've been missing them and
then sort of down sort of towards christ which I
think is in quite good little frost down there, but
we've sort of escaped it, which has been sort of
quite nice now.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
As far as the pork industry goes, sure, and that's
your business. What's been happening over the past couple of months.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
The thing's a pretty tough out there on the market
for selling pic meat. Yeah, I think certainly Auckland and
the North Island probably feeling it a bit more than
we are down in the South heard it's a bit
more rurally based, but yeah, really our pig by saying
really soft market things are really sluggish. There's a lot
of pulled through stocks are building, so you really stuff

(19:48):
that's not positive. So sort of sketching ahead a little
bit as pig farms and saying, you know, with beef
and lamb where it is, why are we're not being
chosen more as a supply of meat, you know, So
a little bit of work to be done there to
try and lift our profile and a bit of awareness.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I think it's interesting you talk about the North Island
suffering more than the South because from a mixed scheduling perspective,
the North Island has a highest schedule than the South
for example.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yep, yeah, you're the same for us. Yeah, and that's
mainly because of the cockstraight for shipping stuff up here.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
So it's just the nature of the beast. You've just
learned to accept it.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
It just is what it is.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
But they're grain smart expensive up there, so it sort
of evens out.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
So as far as the pork industry, though, do you
think these terrafs over in the States have they played
any part of what you're getting for price or is
it totally different to what exporters do?

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Totally different, I think, And yeah, really hard to tell
on that one, mate. I just think with the fuel
prices being where they are, that's sucked a lot of
the life out of money of the shuckground for people.
It's just made it tough. People's budgets are a bit harder.
And then we sort of thought we were coming out
of it, and then Trump fired a few warm, bloody

(21:03):
missiles and up it goes again. So yes, not fun.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
So the flow on effects of there, how would you
describe the mood of the pig set book sector at
the moment.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
Oh, we're still okay. But yeah, it's always concerning when
you're on a falling schedule, and this is traditionally not
a time a year when we would expect the schedule
to drop, so that bit of it is concerning.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah, it is a weird of concerning. But yeah, we're
still We're still okay at the minute. So it's not
desperate or anything like that, but that's bloody concerning.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Sean, tell me this, when you go into a supermarket,
certain brands of bacon eight hundred grams, they seem to
deviate and price from fourteen up to twenty two dollars.
Is this simply a lost leader measure?

Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeahn one hundred percent sure on that, Andy, certainly. I
think it does depend on at what price they can
get the important stuff and what deals people are. And
then I think also, you know, I've got a lot
of mates that give me a heaps and chip about
every time they buy bacon it disappears in the pan
and fills up with water. So I think you've probably
got a fair bit of you know, they're pumping a
fair bit of moisture in there when they're when they're

(22:13):
curing it. So there's those several factors there.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Really, it's interesting how that seems to deviate the way
it does, though, and I mean it happens more often
than once over the course of a few weeks.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Just got to buy a New Zealand raised bacon, mate,
what's it.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Like out there getting the messaging about buying New Zealand
bacon and the likes? Do you think you're having a
bit of a push through around that given let's remember
there's only so many port producers in the country.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
Yeah, well, things like bacon in particular, in process goods.
It's it's quite difficult because it really is hard for
us to compete on price because of what you can
bring it in for. So you know, people as much
as they like to buy New Zealand stuff, still shop
with their wallets, you know, So that bit of it's hard.
But you know, the fresh market's more more I guess
where we're at, and we would love to see people

(23:01):
eating more ham and bacon that's New Zealand produced, of course,
but for a lot of kiwis that can be just
stepped too far or just a bit too expensive.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Now Sewan. You're a member of a New Zealand pork board.
Just going to do a bit of detail of what
that actually means what you do is in that role.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
So yeah, really just I guess a lot of it.
For as most things are now, we spend a fear
at a time fighting the government or dealing with you know,
what the government wants to do as far as whether
it's food safety, biosecurity, our welfare laws. So we spend
a fear of at a time giving feedback on those

(23:41):
sort of things or in some things they are with
this new government, they are asking us to come and
work with them first as they develop stuff, which is nice,
and then hopefully we don't have to fight them at
the end because we've been part of the process. There's
a fear bit of that, and then yeah, lifting the
profile of the industry. But to be fair, that's not
something we've done a huge amount of in the last

(24:03):
few years because we've been so donkey deep in and
trying to organize our welfare code.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Is there much dialogue with Joe Luxton, Opposition ex spokesperson.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
No, we haven't had haven't engaged a huge amount with
the with the other guys so far.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Hoping it stays that way comes come November.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we certainly are. It's been a breath
of apprecier dealing with this government compared to what they
left on. Government was just out of touch with reality
really and trying to deliver on fantasies that don't work
in practice. So you know, I don't think we can
afford to have that. They need to have a change

(24:45):
of change of attitude and we dose to reality.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Shall we hear about land prices going gang buses in
certain areas? But you've got some staggering figures around a
farm that's sold in your neck of the woods.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
Yeah, we're just down at the squash club, doesn't And
one of the boys is a REALI Fate agent down
WinCE Moore sort around Spootin Way. There was a farm
sold I think last week for eighty nine thousand. He
so dairy farm, so they thought it might have had
eighty and then pushed right through to eighty nine. So crazy.

(25:19):
I don't know huge more about the details of that
and whether it was neighbors fighting over the over the
property or what, but madness, madness.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
So that's eighty nine thousand dollars a hiked here for
a working farm. Yeah, mind the mind boggles, Sure it is.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
That's scary.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Hey you good on your sew and always good to
catch up on the muster.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
Good one any thanks man.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Sean mclloy, our pig farming correspondent. Eighty nine thousand dollars
per hicked here for a dairy farm in Kenderbury. Unbelievable.
Grant Butcher's up next, farm consultant. Welcome back to the muster.

(26:09):
On haka nuif I'm consultant. Graham Butcher joins us in studio.
Good afternoon, afternoon, Andy, Brian Adams, you are fair, oh
sort of. Well that's the music theme He's coming to
christ Church in March and songs from the eighties. Well,
the argument likes of Summer of sixty nine just anthems

(26:31):
at a timeless too.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
Well, good music will always have a renaissance. You go
right back to Beethoven and what have you have many
renaissances as he had, so good music will always be there.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, very good points. Another good point today too, we're
talking about drainage.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
Yeah, drainage, it's an issue that comes up, I suppose
all the time. We've had a couple of very wet springs.
The saws are pretty wet stool. So I just I'm
just dealing with a large farm at the moment, just
looking at the possibilities of drainage. So I just did
a homework on to what the effects were and what

(27:04):
it costs, effects and all that sort of things. So
I just sort of make a few comments about that. So,
water log soils have quite a bad effect on pasture growth.
The oxygen levels go down, there's no root growth. Nitrogen
fixation stops decomposition of organic matter carries on, and that
actually lowers the oxygen levels further and increases co two.

(27:29):
Wet soils are cold, slow to get away on the spring.
There's a whole lot of things that happen. Wet Soils
also can produce toxin zion, and manganese and hydrogen sulfide,
which is one I hadn't heard of before. They're all
toxic to roots. So wet soils are bad news all around,
not only for pasture growth, but for pugging damage and
what have you. And that has a lot of pretty
serious effects too. Recovery from water logging. It's mediated by

(27:52):
biological activity. Root growth worms to get the macroporosity going
and what have you. It can take six to twenty
weeks to extra effixed. So you know, I've seen pugged
badly damaged brakes and the effect to me seems longer
than twenty weeks. If it happens bad, you can you
can pick the brakes that were barely pugged past to cover.

(28:15):
If you're destroying past to cover with pugging and what
have you, ten weeks minimum to recover from that. And
that's un till the numbers can't getting back to where
they should be and surface roughness could take four months
to fix that. So a whole lot of bad things
about water logging. So if we have a brief look
at the cost to fix water logging, So we'll take

(28:38):
an example of a reasonably intensive drainage of soils. I mean,
drain call costs about a thousand dollars slotted one hundred
meters coil, probably cost the saying to install it put
it in, So you're talking two thousand dollars per coil.
If you've got a program of eighty meter spacing for
your drain call to provide your outlets for moles, and

(28:59):
you've got to three meter spacing for moles. You're talking
just under three thousand dollars a heck there to do that,
which is, you know, a significant sum of money. But
that's quite an intensive program. If you go to a
fifty meter spacing and a two meter mole with that's
even more intense. If you're talking just under four grand,

(29:19):
just sorry, just under five grand to do that. So
we're talking quite big money. So you've got to consider
is there a return. You know, we're talking pretty significant
impacts on pasture growth here. So what I did is
take a thirty percent dig a decrease in pasture growth
for six months. That's possibly what happens in the field.

(29:41):
And if we've got a ten ton dry matter planting,
we're losing fifteen hundred kilograms of dry matter per annum.
We can use about eighty five percent of that had
it been there in the first place. Of course, twelve
hundred and seventy five kilograms of dry matter that we
have lost, and on one hundred and thirty five percent
sheep flock no hogat mating, that's worth about twenty nine

(30:03):
cents a kilogram dry matter, which is an income of
three hundred and seventy dollars. If we go back to
the just under three thousand drainage scenario, we could borrow
that at six and a half percent over fifteen years,
three hundred dollars for antom. So it pays. But that's
quite an intensive sort of drainage program.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
And you've got the tile versus no overflow coil debate
as well.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
Your head.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
The price comes in like you say.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
Yeah, but stalling tiles is a bit slower than putting
overflow and you're just done rolling. She's there.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Have you done a few days behind the Cleveland? Remember
the old Cleveland going in there and putting in the
trenches and you've got the tiles picking them up and
a couple of days doing that. Jesus, you know what
challuses are after you've done that?

Speaker 7 (30:50):
Done it the casion, but not beds the time. So
I'll take your word for it. And yeah, so you know,
one hundred and thirty five percent no hogitt mating at
pays ease on your probably your better class of land
to do relatively intensive draining. Now there's a whole lot
of degrees you might just go in and put an
overflow into your wet spots, and what have you the

(31:12):
flat of the land. You've got that, you've got to
be more precise about how you go about doing your drainage.
I mean, if you haven't got much fool the outlets
from moles has got to be a shorter distance because
in a flat situation, water sits in the moles and
that just breaks down the male pretty quickly. So you

(31:32):
also got to consider your getting around the farm, wet soils,
weed and grass, rushes, all that sort of thing. Wet soils,
your newer pasture species, your eye grasses you're putting them
in won't last as long, so there's another cost there
as well. So there's a whole lot of benefits that
stack up from having well drained soils. So when you're

(31:56):
looking at farm development past development, you've got to think
about fertiliz you've got to think about your past your varieties,
got to think about fencing, and you've also got to
think about drainage. It's got to it's got to be
back on the table now drainage. The last several years
in farming, the money just hasn't been there to do
it because it is a relatively expensive one to do.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Hasn't the terminology around drainage fascinating. I mean it's one
of those things. Yeah, you talk about mules, you talk
about full it's intriguing. It's certainly something that's just cosential.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
Rural well, it's it's you know, got a good bigger
contractor who's got a bit of field experience, can can
be pretty good and doing your drainage put it, you know,
draining those wheat patches, all that sort of thing. Though
they're pretty good at that. When it comes to moles,
different kettle of fish, you've got to know where the
clay levels are and your distances and your falls and

(32:47):
all that sort of thing. So it becomes a bit
more technical to do a good mouling system. It pays
to do it properly because if you don't, it'll break
down in a couple of years. So you've got to
have someone who knows what they do. But it's got
to be pop back on the table and jump up
your list of priorities of it because we have the
money there now to do it and the benefits of

(33:08):
their good on your Graham, enjoy the afternoon?

Speaker 8 (33:10):
Are you.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Graham Butcher fun consultant. The relevance of drainage that's for sure.
Max mcallum's up next. You're listening to the muster. This
is the muster on hock and Newy. Max McCallum joins

(33:34):
us now at about for young farmers. Good afternoon, Max,
the land of milk and honey that is bow for
house eggs. Yeah good, And what's happening up on the
ranch up there? Just typical July?

Speaker 8 (33:46):
Yeah, typical July. Yeah, since yesterday and sent all.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
The way to the books.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
So how's the season being?

Speaker 8 (33:55):
Though I can't complain something we wants done rang even
though we don't want rain.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
But yeah, there's a wed underfoot at the moment. Ah, yeah, yeah,
it is deferently pretty much just what you expect for
the time of year. Look, Beth for young farmers. You
guys have had a bit going on recently, Yeah we have.

Speaker 8 (34:15):
We've We've just recently had our Jingo night and support
of the the out of school pool. So yeah, no,
we got the lads, got their pennies on and did
some baking for there we do. We'd do suffer for them.
Good turn out at one hundred and ten people and
well I don't know what the bar made, but before

(34:37):
the bar we made three.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
The other eight hundred so perfect.

Speaker 8 (34:41):
I'm pretty pretty heavy with that.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
So that's an outstanding figure because I know the pool
you're talking about, and there's a lot of money that
goes into R and emes. So it just great the
community outlets can give back like they do.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Yeah, it was really good and it was like, to
be honest, it was a really good night. So you
know a lot of people have played Jingo befo or
but yeah, a few people have.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Now, so how do you play Jinger? I mean it's
involved with music. Do you have to listen to shazam
the first person to get it? It's like bingo with music.

Speaker 8 (35:10):
Though, it's exactly right. Yeah, yeah it is. You've got
a card with all your song titles on it, and
we just played the songs and a few song titles
on it. You're yeah, you mark it off.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Carving's getting into full gear, shortly landing still the wie
way away. Do you guys take a bit of a
breather or you keep going?

Speaker 8 (35:29):
I was trying to take a breath of it. I
just all sort of rose into one. Really, doesn't it
like we're already already the way through the month, which
is a little bit scary. So yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Club WIYSE for activities, do you keep going over the
busy months.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
Yeah, yeah, so we got we've got all these interior
wall workshop coming up on the twenty second of August,
kind of man of all there and it's just a
workshop for no young farmers like just to just to
know what what happens after the sheep shorn, where it goes,

(36:10):
how much goes into it, from the hand piece set
up all the way to pressing the bail. So yeah,
hopefully we can get a heap of people down there
and scale them up.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's a really good initiative. I've seen this on your
social channels over the last couple of days. So you're
just wanting people to kind of align, to get a
bit of an understanding what it was a bit of
a sharing involved it as well. Was it just about
like past it the plate but in a wall sense.

Speaker 8 (36:38):
Yeah, yeah, definitely that Yeah, the sharing going on, yeah,
all the way from like classing and it's it's going
to be good hopefully and hopefully hopefully ring it's a
lot out of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
So the numbers required for this like put your write
your name down to turn up X. What's to go?
Do you just rock up?

Speaker 8 (37:02):
There's links all over the socials to go and to
go and put your staff down for and you're just
like turn up as well. But but yeah we should
should just just go into the socials and you'll find
your way there.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
So what's been happening as far as an under club
thing much lately?

Speaker 8 (37:20):
Oh, we've gone an under club Peace shoot coming up
on the thirty first to the second, So the ELF
was holding that so it was pretty good last year
to be honest, it'd a good turnout. So if everyone's keen.
But again that's on the socials, get your teams registered
and get out shooting little rabbits.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Here's possums and the likes of imagine is that what
you're thinking?

Speaker 8 (37:40):
All of that bloody Stokes spirits, mice, pigeons, Yeah, all the.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Peace stray cats light the one up in Canterbury definitely. Yeah,
make sure there's strays. It'll be the words of a
voice there, I suppose. Hey, mate, So if people want
to get in touch by of Young Farmers, what are
your meeting dates?

Speaker 8 (37:59):
So we've got a next meeting on the third of
August at the Bafer Bowls.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Club.

Speaker 8 (38:04):
So coming on to that, new members always welcome. We
had our thirty four our last meeting, which was really good.
So yeah, just go on to Facebook buff young farmers
have a look.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, thirty four members. That's a lot for a club
for Balfa where they used to be and we talk
about the silver time but the numbers seem to be
progressively rising.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
Yes, yeah, it's really good like that, thirty four. I
can't remember how many actually members that. Yeah, No, there's
new members here as well, which was really good. So
it's quite a quite a strong club.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Actually, No, good to see. How good on you Max,
Well you carry on. Always appreciate your time, mate.

Speaker 8 (38:43):
Yeah, body good to see it.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
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Speaker 1 (38:56):
What's the most groundbreaking invention of all time? The shovel? Well,
it makes sense when you think about it. Okay, that's
us over and done with for the afternoon. The podcast
will be up surely on my Heart Radio. Plus any
interviews you want regarding the muster from days going past.
It's all there. I'm Andy Miller. Of course, the muster's

(39:17):
brought to you by Peters and Nels. See it tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Hey, well all right too, haven't got there?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Agg write some Brazil start selling action once again at
the Laudful sale yards with Sam Riley on the ground
to give us a rundown on prices. Good afternoon, Sam.
How do we fare today?

Speaker 7 (39:34):
Andy?

Speaker 5 (39:35):
How you got on today?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Pretty good today. Everything pretty similar to the past weeks.
Just numbers done to drop off the line with yeah yeah.
Stock sort of under discipening at the end of the winter.
So the prime kettle, just a handful of prime kettle
on today, five and fifty kiers. They were four seventy
two to four dollars eighty four hundred and eighty kilo.
Heapers at four dollars seventy two, and the cows at

(39:59):
four eighty two six hundred kg's they were three dollars
to three dollars twenty six store kettle. Very small. We
adding a store kettle on today Samar two Here for
cross stars at four undred and seventy five kgs. They
were twenty two sixty Samar one. Frieding balls at two
hundred and fifteen kilos nine to eighty and to marw one.
Here hip is a two hundred and thirty one k

(40:20):
is nine hundred and thirty dollars into the sheep, still
a reasonable adding of prime lambs coming in the best
of those are two sixty to two three forty and
the mediums at two hundred two hundred and fifty dollars.
The years good every years are two forty to two
seventy three, and the medium is one forty to two
twenty and a handful of rams and one hundred and

(40:41):
thirty dollars for the tops of those in seventy dollars
for the medium there goody. Adding a store lambs in
for this time of year are the best of those
are two twenty to two forty, the medium stores at
one ninety to two ten, and the lighter in stores
at one one hundred and eighty dollars. There was a
handful of Brea bregaging Holkinson and they were two hundred

(41:03):
and fifty to turndred sixty four dollars, so that wraps
up one the one

Speaker 6 (41:07):
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