June 4, 2026 • 11 mins
Jamie Mackay isn't a fan of John Rowles and he explains why!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Sorry back shoes.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well, Jamie McKay joins us for this week's edition of
the Country Crossover. Good afternoon, Jamie, John Rolls just for you.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're a pest, Andy meure, you're a pest. Well, you're
not meant to be playing ghen Rolls on Hokan.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You brought that on your We didn't.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We didn't in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Well this isn't the nineties. Times have moved on. You
might just have to build a bridge and get over yourself.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
No, she still owes me to hunt what he does.
His lawyer or his manager still owes me to me
and pipe at two hundred and forty bucks. Haven't never
forgotten that, Andy, it was the principal who.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Was the individual involved? You know who? It was?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
No, some smart ass, as I said on yesterday show,
because it came about completely by accident. We were playing
some sort of music and Muzz, who's a regular Texter
from Hawk's Bay, came in with I thought, Jamie, you'd
be more of a John Rolls guy, and that just
sort of yeah, lit a flame and away I went.
(01:14):
I hope I don't get sued, But you can't sue
somebody for telling the truth. And it's not John Roles
probably doesn't even know about it. But as Greasy Smart
asked manager, and I haven't forgotten it till this day. Andy,
he was gonna pay, he was gonna pay, he was
going to pay. It was a profit share thing, and
we've done one with John haw Grenell. I think the
week or two before that he'd sold out the Saint
(01:36):
James Theater. It ended up being a good earner for us.
They win, we win, same deal for John Roles. No one, well,
not as many people turned up. Our share was only
two hundred and forty bucks, and we're thrown the kitchen
sink at it in terms of advertising. And I'm thinking, well,
the least you can do is pay that. And then
he went, yeah, I'll pay it. I'll pay it. I'll
pay it. And I was in charge of credit control
and sixty days, ninety days, one hundred and twenty and
(01:59):
then I them up for the unteenth time and he
just tells me to go and get stuffed. And I said, well,
I'm never playing John Roles again on Hokanui Gold. He says, well,
I don't care. It is the shitty little radio station
in Gore. Who cares if you're not playing John Roles.
And I said, well, one day, one day, I might
be broadcasting to a bigger audience. I had no plans
at all in those days, but as fate would have it,
(02:21):
I ended up broadcasting to a bigger audience. And maybe
he might have been listening yesterday in Auckland, I hope.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So, no, you haven't played John Rolls, but I have
Jamie just for you. Look, these UF tariffs that have
been proposed from the US government, obviously twelve and a
half percent, because New Zealand is using basically slave labor
for goods produced and from goods that have been produced
in countries overseas.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I don't know they're trying to find loo scenes here, aren't.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
They are absolutely looking for an excuse forced labor, as
I think the word he used, which is rich coming
from America. They basically most of their labor has done
forced labor by Mexicans and South Americans coming up legally
or illegally.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And doing the work there.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Look, he's just looking for an excuse. It's I find
it rather pathetic. I find Trump rather pathetic, to be
perfectly honest with the way he's behaving. But this is
he got the PIP because he got blocked through the
Senate or the Congress or whatever, and he's just looking
for another way to impose these tariffs. But once again
(03:26):
you'll note that beef and kiw fruit are immune from
these forced labor tariffs. There's no forced labor in New Zealand.
People come here, people come here rs workers from the
islands because they can earn more money than they can
back home, and they can send it to his families.
So no, I don't know how he'll go with this one.
I just hope he can get some sort of deal
(03:48):
done in the Middle East. I'm not holding my breath
on that one. And I don't know whether you're caught
up with yesterday's show, Andy, when Jen Corkran from Rabobank
was talking about Michael every and the Rabobank Global team
have changed their forecast. They're saying the Strait off a
Moves might not be open till September. Oil could go
(04:09):
from one hundred and twenty and one hundred to one
hundred and twenty. I look, I honestly hope they're wrong,
because this thing's dragging on. Even if it finishes tomorrow,
the lag effect is going to be at least till
the end of this calendar year, probably more.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Trump's in trouble for the midterms pretty much, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
He is in trouble unless well, he's got the midterms
coming up. He remember fourth of July, he's got the
two hundred and fiftieth celebrations. And I was watching a
bit of Fox News, it's almost a comedy channel these days, Andy,
and how important it is for him and his ego
that he gets some sort of deal or gets something
sorted in time for these two hundred and fiftieth year
(04:48):
celebrations fourth of July. And you've got to remember also,
he's got the soccer or football World Cup beginning what
next week is it? And he wants to display America
in all its fineries with the United States. So he's
got a lot of pressure on him now to cut
a deal. But I don't know those Iranians, they're nali.
(05:10):
I don't think they're going to give up, and I
hope he doesn't just go in and blow them to smithereens.
I don't know what's going to happen there. It's going
to have to be compromised from both sides to reach
some sort of deal. And then even if they do,
you've got mad Netnyaho bombing the hell out of Lebanon
and vice versa, and that seems to be a part
(05:30):
of the Iran US peace deal. So I don't know.
The Middle East is the most unsettled. It always has
been the most unsettled geopolitical region.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It's just a shame, Andy, that they didn't put the
oil under Scandinavia or one of those sensible regions and
we would all be happy. But instead it's all sitting
under those nutjobs. In many cases in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The only thing that is certain here is the uncertainty.
Now next week, Field Days, you're making the tree cap
with Michelle to Mystery Creek.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It a bit of a veteran now, thirty years of it. Andy,
I've started going to Mystery Creek about the same time
as I was fighting with John Roll's manager. That's how
long ago. That's how long I've been going. Look, I'm
disappointed you didn't make the cut this year. There were
some media it would be fair to say, some wrangling
in the media over partnerships and all that sort of stuff.
(06:28):
And look, I'm just going up there to do my
job and go home again. But I will be I
will really be looking forward to that. And I think
you were there last year. Weren't you the Rural Industry
Leader's debate.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
No, I wasn't. I was on the couch at home.
He came home. Did you not get an invite? No
I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I think I was watching cracket on the telly. You
got home and you were just grumpy because the PEM
flogged you off.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You might want to rephrase that, Okay, oh no, no,
the PM got a good one liner on me. But
look this year, and they had great debating teams last year,
but they've gone up a level this year. They've got
the Prince of the Province as Shane Jones up against
Karen MacNulty. There's Teradear, Sue's Redmain Hamish MacKaye is sitting
(07:14):
in for Tovah O'Brien, and there's Jessica much mackay. So
I can't, as I said yesterday, I can't use the gag.
I was going to use the old Jacinda one liner,
Jessica Tovah, Tovah, Jessica, who wants the next question? So
we will get Jessica much Mackay there, who's these days
is doing pr I think for an Z.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
It's a cool event.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Michelle's going out for the first time, so you need
to tell her the protocol about having to be at
the Bombay four square by set time so we can
get the sex pack before you do your cross with Heather.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, while it's always the same flight up there, we've learned.
I've learned over the years that you put your feet
into your own hands if you try and fly directly
into Hamilton and then you've got to go on a
that sounds like the shitty Little Radio station and Gore
and the nineteen nineties the shitty Little ATR. But then
you run the risk of fog. That's the problem with
(08:05):
Hamilton at this time of the year. So we just
go direct to Auckland and drive down. It's only about
like ninety minutes if you get through the traffic, but
we won't at that time of the day. Remembering that
the airport at hamilton's out by Mystery Creek, so you're
twenty or thirty minutes from the airport to get into Hamilton,
so it's just as easy to go and to go
(08:28):
through Auckland and you're dead right six fifteen Tuesday and
Thursday evenings. I have to do the cross with Heather
Dupless Alan she's on breakfast this week. So it's Andrew
Dickens and our marker for that point for that trip.
As you've found out over the past couple of years,
we need to be at the Bombay four Square to
stop at the top of the hill, do the cross
(08:48):
and get the six pack to get us to Hamilton.
That's one of the highlights. That's one of the highlights
of the trip.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Andy, Well, you've got Big Riley Kennedy on board, so
well we are there, we will be there.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
We might with Big Riley from business tsk on on there.
That man is a sponge, she's alleged they's aged. He
is a legend and I think the six pack, well,
that would be would be lucky to get him from
the Bomba Bombo four Square to Hamilton. But look, I
still enjoy field days, Andy. The only hassle is getting
(09:22):
there and getting back and then obviously, depending on what
time of the day you go or have to go,
you can spend a lot of time sitting in traffic.
Although I think we've got early morning starts with the
likes of a Rabobank breakfast, and then there's the situation
and the MPI, the Soapy Report, situation and outlook for
primary industries.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Just finally as well, you'd like to acknowledge the passing
of Pauline Hearing.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Look, Pauline here and obviously well known in Northern South
and circles.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
She's stunning.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, absolutely, just one of those wonderful people. And I
sent the text to a daughter, Tartia Shaaladon, and I said,
you know, we should nominate I hope I'm not speaking
out of turn here Pauline posthumously for like a King's
Service Medal, because you know, you get the New Year's Honors,
and you see a lot of people andy getting a
New Year or a King's Birthday honor, and they're getting
(10:17):
recognized for doing a job. It might be an all
Black captain, it might be a broadcaster, but they've been
really well paid for doing it. And I think the
best part of the honors system is the community awards,
the queens and King's Service Medals, because they're actually going
to the people like Pauline Heron who do all the
(10:37):
hard yards in their community. In Pauline's case, she was
a bellfer girl, saw the light move to Riversdale. I'm
only joking there, but did so much in that community.
In both of those communities, you know, the community center
of the RSA, you name it. Pauline was running everything.
She's you know, I walked the Milford Track with her
two or three years ago, like she was wonder flea fit. Unfortunately,
(11:02):
time catches up with everybody, and Pauline Heron's passed away,
and I'd just like to pass my condolences on to
the Heron and wider families because she's a wonderful person's
It's a life very well lived.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, well you care those sentiments. Jamie Radio, We'll catch
you again, Jem Jamie McKay and the Country Crossover. You're
listening to the muster up next away to the River
Era of the South. We catch up with Jordi E
just a little bit more John Rowles just for Jamie
Fly
Sorry back shoes.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well, Jamie McKay joins us for this week's edition of
the Country Crossover. Good afternoon, Jamie, John Rolls just for you.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're a pest, Andy meure, you're a pest. Well, you're
not meant to be playing ghen Rolls on Hokan.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You brought that on your We didn't.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We didn't in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Well this isn't the nineties. Times have moved on. You
might just have to build a bridge and get over yourself.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
No, she still owes me to hunt what he does.
His lawyer or his manager still owes me to me
and pipe at two hundred and forty bucks. Haven't never
forgotten that, Andy, it was the principal who.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Was the individual involved? You know who? It was?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
No, some smart ass, as I said on yesterday show,
because it came about completely by accident. We were playing
some sort of music and Muzz, who's a regular Texter
from Hawk's Bay, came in with I thought, Jamie, you'd
be more of a John Rolls guy, and that just
sort of yeah, lit a flame and away I went.
(01:14):
I hope I don't get sued, But you can't sue
somebody for telling the truth. And it's not John Roles
probably doesn't even know about it. But as Greasy Smart
asked manager, and I haven't forgotten it till this day. Andy,
he was gonna pay, he was gonna pay, he was
going to pay. It was a profit share thing, and
we've done one with John haw Grenell. I think the
week or two before that he'd sold out the Saint
(01:36):
James Theater. It ended up being a good earner for us.
They win, we win, same deal for John Roles. No one, well,
not as many people turned up. Our share was only
two hundred and forty bucks, and we're thrown the kitchen
sink at it in terms of advertising. And I'm thinking, well,
the least you can do is pay that. And then
he went, yeah, I'll pay it. I'll pay it. I'll
pay it. And I was in charge of credit control
and sixty days, ninety days, one hundred and twenty and
(01:59):
then I them up for the unteenth time and he
just tells me to go and get stuffed. And I said, well,
I'm never playing John Roles again on Hokanui Gold. He says, well,
I don't care. It is the shitty little radio station
in Gore. Who cares if you're not playing John Roles.
And I said, well, one day, one day, I might
be broadcasting to a bigger audience. I had no plans
at all in those days, but as fate would have it,
(02:21):
I ended up broadcasting to a bigger audience. And maybe
he might have been listening yesterday in Auckland, I hope.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So, no, you haven't played John Rolls, but I have
Jamie just for you. Look, these UF tariffs that have
been proposed from the US government, obviously twelve and a
half percent, because New Zealand is using basically slave labor
for goods produced and from goods that have been produced
in countries overseas.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I don't know they're trying to find loo scenes here, aren't.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
They are absolutely looking for an excuse forced labor, as
I think the word he used, which is rich coming
from America. They basically most of their labor has done
forced labor by Mexicans and South Americans coming up legally
or illegally.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
And doing the work there.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Look, he's just looking for an excuse. It's I find
it rather pathetic. I find Trump rather pathetic, to be
perfectly honest with the way he's behaving. But this is
he got the PIP because he got blocked through the
Senate or the Congress or whatever, and he's just looking
for another way to impose these tariffs. But once again
(03:26):
you'll note that beef and kiw fruit are immune from
these forced labor tariffs. There's no forced labor in New Zealand.
People come here, people come here rs workers from the
islands because they can earn more money than they can
back home, and they can send it to his families.
So no, I don't know how he'll go with this one.
I just hope he can get some sort of deal
(03:48):
done in the Middle East. I'm not holding my breath
on that one. And I don't know whether you're caught
up with yesterday's show, Andy, when Jen Corkran from Rabobank
was talking about Michael every and the Rabobank Global team
have changed their forecast. They're saying the Strait off a
Moves might not be open till September. Oil could go
(04:09):
from one hundred and twenty and one hundred to one
hundred and twenty. I look, I honestly hope they're wrong,
because this thing's dragging on. Even if it finishes tomorrow,
the lag effect is going to be at least till
the end of this calendar year, probably more.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Trump's in trouble for the midterms pretty much, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
He is in trouble unless well, he's got the midterms
coming up. He remember fourth of July, he's got the
two hundred and fiftieth celebrations. And I was watching a
bit of Fox News, it's almost a comedy channel these days, Andy,
and how important it is for him and his ego
that he gets some sort of deal or gets something
sorted in time for these two hundred and fiftieth year
(04:48):
celebrations fourth of July. And you've got to remember also,
he's got the soccer or football World Cup beginning what
next week is it? And he wants to display America
in all its fineries with the United States. So he's
got a lot of pressure on him now to cut
a deal. But I don't know those Iranians, they're nali.
(05:10):
I don't think they're going to give up, and I
hope he doesn't just go in and blow them to smithereens.
I don't know what's going to happen there. It's going
to have to be compromised from both sides to reach
some sort of deal. And then even if they do,
you've got mad Netnyaho bombing the hell out of Lebanon
and vice versa, and that seems to be a part
(05:30):
of the Iran US peace deal. So I don't know.
The Middle East is the most unsettled. It always has
been the most unsettled geopolitical region.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It's just a shame, Andy, that they didn't put the
oil under Scandinavia or one of those sensible regions and
we would all be happy. But instead it's all sitting
under those nutjobs. In many cases in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The only thing that is certain here is the uncertainty.
Now next week, Field Days, you're making the tree cap
with Michelle to Mystery Creek.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It a bit of a veteran now, thirty years of it. Andy,
I've started going to Mystery Creek about the same time
as I was fighting with John Roll's manager. That's how
long ago. That's how long I've been going. Look, I'm
disappointed you didn't make the cut this year. There were
some media it would be fair to say, some wrangling
in the media over partnerships and all that sort of stuff.
(06:28):
And look, I'm just going up there to do my
job and go home again. But I will be I
will really be looking forward to that. And I think
you were there last year. Weren't you the Rural Industry
Leader's debate.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
No, I wasn't. I was on the couch at home.
He came home. Did you not get an invite? No
I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I think I was watching cracket on the telly. You
got home and you were just grumpy because the PEM
flogged you off.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You might want to rephrase that, Okay, oh no, no,
the PM got a good one liner on me. But
look this year, and they had great debating teams last year,
but they've gone up a level this year. They've got
the Prince of the Province as Shane Jones up against
Karen MacNulty. There's Teradear, Sue's Redmain Hamish MacKaye is sitting
(07:14):
in for Tovah O'Brien, and there's Jessica much mackay. So
I can't, as I said yesterday, I can't use the gag.
I was going to use the old Jacinda one liner,
Jessica Tovah, Tovah, Jessica, who wants the next question? So
we will get Jessica much Mackay there, who's these days
is doing pr I think for an Z.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
It's a cool event.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Michelle's going out for the first time, so you need
to tell her the protocol about having to be at
the Bombay four square by set time so we can
get the sex pack before you do your cross with Heather.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, while it's always the same flight up there, we've learned.
I've learned over the years that you put your feet
into your own hands if you try and fly directly
into Hamilton and then you've got to go on a
that sounds like the shitty Little Radio station and Gore
and the nineteen nineties the shitty Little ATR. But then
you run the risk of fog. That's the problem with
(08:05):
Hamilton at this time of the year. So we just
go direct to Auckland and drive down. It's only about
like ninety minutes if you get through the traffic, but
we won't at that time of the day. Remembering that
the airport at hamilton's out by Mystery Creek, so you're
twenty or thirty minutes from the airport to get into Hamilton,
so it's just as easy to go and to go
(08:28):
through Auckland and you're dead right six fifteen Tuesday and
Thursday evenings. I have to do the cross with Heather
Dupless Alan she's on breakfast this week. So it's Andrew
Dickens and our marker for that point for that trip.
As you've found out over the past couple of years,
we need to be at the Bombay four Square to
stop at the top of the hill, do the cross
(08:48):
and get the six pack to get us to Hamilton.
That's one of the highlights. That's one of the highlights
of the trip.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Andy, Well, you've got Big Riley Kennedy on board, so
well we are there, we will be there.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
We might with Big Riley from business tsk on on there.
That man is a sponge, she's alleged they's aged. He
is a legend and I think the six pack, well,
that would be would be lucky to get him from
the Bomba Bombo four Square to Hamilton. But look, I
still enjoy field days, Andy. The only hassle is getting
(09:22):
there and getting back and then obviously, depending on what
time of the day you go or have to go,
you can spend a lot of time sitting in traffic.
Although I think we've got early morning starts with the
likes of a Rabobank breakfast, and then there's the situation
and the MPI, the Soapy Report, situation and outlook for
primary industries.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Just finally as well, you'd like to acknowledge the passing
of Pauline Hearing.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Look, Pauline here and obviously well known in Northern South
and circles.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
She's stunning.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, absolutely, just one of those wonderful people. And I
sent the text to a daughter, Tartia Shaaladon, and I said,
you know, we should nominate I hope I'm not speaking
out of turn here Pauline posthumously for like a King's
Service Medal, because you know, you get the New Year's Honors,
and you see a lot of people andy getting a
New Year or a King's Birthday honor, and they're getting
(10:17):
recognized for doing a job. It might be an all
Black captain, it might be a broadcaster, but they've been
really well paid for doing it. And I think the
best part of the honors system is the community awards,
the queens and King's Service Medals, because they're actually going
to the people like Pauline Heron who do all the
(10:37):
hard yards in their community. In Pauline's case, she was
a bellfer girl, saw the light move to Riversdale. I'm
only joking there, but did so much in that community.
In both of those communities, you know, the community center
of the RSA, you name it. Pauline was running everything.
She's you know, I walked the Milford Track with her
two or three years ago, like she was wonder flea fit. Unfortunately,
(11:02):
time catches up with everybody, and Pauline Heron's passed away,
and I'd just like to pass my condolences on to
the Heron and wider families because she's a wonderful person's
It's a life very well lived.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, well you care those sentiments. Jamie Radio, We'll catch
you again, Jem Jamie McKay and the Country Crossover. You're
listening to the muster up next away to the River
Era of the South. We catch up with Jordi E
just a little bit more John Rowles just for Jamie
Fly
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