March 3, 2026 • 8 mins
Jason Pine of Newstalk ZB looks at the appointment of Dave Rennie as All Blacks coach.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Jason Pine joins US next weekend sporting hosts on Newstorg
ZB Piney Good afternoons, straight off the bat, we have
an All Blacks coach.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Dave Rennie has got the gig.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yeah, look what you were told I think earlier in
the fact that we were getting towards the conclusion Andy, and.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Here we are.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Look, it was a two horse race. I don't think
there was any secret about that. It was either Dave
Rennie or Jamie Joseph. And I think most All Blacks fans,
most New Zealand rugby fans, would have been pretty beppy
with either of those two candidate Tandy. You know, they
both come with a good CV, both with any national
experience Jamie Joseph of course with Japan, Dave Rennie with Australia.
(00:44):
But yeah, look, I think there'll be a there'll be
a general satisfaction in this in this decision. Good that
they've finally done it as well. I mean when we're
to go onto a week four of Super Rugby where
week way down the track there's a Rugby World Cup
next year, so hopefully Dave Brennie has an up runway
to get to get himself sorted for this year and
(01:05):
then make a bit of a charge at Rugby World
Cup twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Did you really think we'd see the day where a
Sect Wallaby's coach would be in charge of the orb Lacks.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It's a very good framing of it. No, No, I didn't.
But then again, you look at the circumstances around Dave
Rennie's exit from the Wallabies and I don't think history
will judge that decision very kindly at all on the
behalf of Raby Australia because of course, of course they
brought Eddie Jones back in and he just created an
(01:36):
absolute dumpster fire which he has since departed. So look,
I think Dave Brennie was starting to get a bit
of traction with the Wallabies. He was clearly deeply popular
with the players. And yes, the result hadn't gone his way,
and you look at the win loss ratio and it's
certainly nothing to be you know, to jump jump around
(01:56):
and jump and celebrate, But I think he did a
little bit deeper. You find a very solid human being.
For starters, you know, a guy who's been involved in
the game of rugby for goodness only knows how long. Jeffers,
Andy I remember when Dave Rennie was the coach when
willing To be in the year two thousand. You know,
(02:17):
that's over a quarter of a century ago. He's been
around a lot of rugby teams in the time since,
you know, coach the Chiefs to success at the start
of the twenty teens, and as I say it, had
a lot of experience both internationally and in club coaching.
So yeah, when you stack it all up, I think
(02:37):
it's a very good appointment from New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well you think about the year two thousand, that's where
willing To won the NPC, of course, and yeah you
fast forward to the prison that's a lot of now
sunder the old coaching manner.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, and I think that's a too.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And he is.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He is very worldly when it comes to coaching. And
if we learned anything from the Scott Robertson era, it's
that you know, that is important. And I'm not saying
that's the only reason it didn't work out for Razor.
There are other other factors that play as well. But
not having any experience of off shore, you know, there's
clearly something they wanted to remedivate this time around, and
(03:16):
in both candidates, and Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie, they
had that they had coaches who had had coached beyond
these shores, had done it outside of super Ragby, had
done it internationally. I just wonder, you know, whether the
fact that Tony Brown, who had been inextricably linked with
Jamie Joseph in the past, during their time in Japan
(03:36):
and briefly at the Highlands as brief well, I just
wonder whether whether his unavailability played a little bit against
Jamie Joseph. I'm sure that wasn't the only reason he
didn't get the job. But but Jamie Joseph and Tony
Brown together, I think is a far more compelling proposition
than Jamie Joseph by himself, if you get Madrip. So look,
(03:59):
we wait to see who Dave Rennie brings in as
his assistance, you know, that's the next step. Now, which
of those who are currently in the bowls, you know,
left behind by raiser will be retained, Who will gave
Renny want to bring in to be alongside him. That'll
be the next thing. But yet it's it's it's a
it's a wide body of work, and I think that
(04:21):
is probably the most encouraging.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Thing here is this effectively a free pass for Dave
Renny eighteen months out from the X Ragby World Cup.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't think so. This is the All Blacks any
you know, no free passes here. I think if you
were if you were taking charge of the All Blacks
one month before the Rugby World Cup, you would still
be expected to win it, you know. So no no
free pass here. It's you know, every All Blacks team
is expected to win every time they play, and that's
(04:51):
a massive ask. If you look at the year ahead,
I mean that the tour of South Africa, four tests,
three of them in the Republic, and then that one
in Baltimore, Rugby Championship, the New Nations Championship. Of course,
there's a massive, massive body of work. I think the
All Blacks play seventeen times in twenty twenty six. Of
you include the midweek matches in on Teeth of course,
(05:13):
but the midweek matches in South Africa. That is a massive,
massive year heading into a World Cup year. So no,
I don't. I don't think that all there will be
any any sense that there's a betting in here. I
think he'll come under the same scrutiny as as any
All Blacks coaching and that that's and he'll expect that,
(05:33):
he'll he'll he'll mellish that, I'm sure, Dave bry So, No, No,
I don't think there's any any sense that that there's
a free parts here in any in any sense of
that phrase.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now it's been away while now since the departure of
Scott Robertson.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
What is the future hold for him?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I see he's got a Barber's geed coming up and
they're not too distant future. Resci Orasmus has come out
with some very encouraging words. Obviously those two go back
for a very long go back from a very long
time ago.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
But what happens to Raisa now?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh, look, I think he'll find himself his next gig.
I'd be staggered that he doesn't have several offers on
the table already. Andy, He's probably just just trying to
work out when the time is right and which of
those opportunities is the right one for him. You know,
Scott Robertson hasn't become a bad rugby coach. It just
wasn't the right time for him to be All Blacks coach.
(06:26):
And who knows. I mean, as you say, if we
can take a bloke who's been sacked as well of
his coach, you know, who's to say we can't have
a guy come in who's who's had the job before
and not not worth. Look at Wayne Smith, you know,
he came back for a second go in a slightly
different capacity and was very very successful, you know, in
the in the Graham Henry and Steve Hanson era. So look,
(06:49):
I think he'll pop up somewhere. I doubt it would
be internationally. Initially, I could be wrong. It might be that,
you know, like a team like a Scotland or and
it's a Lee or even in Japan. I don't know,
Mike quite like the look of racer and that might
be quite attractive to him, and that, you know, he
would gain a bit more international experience and take all
(07:10):
of those lessons out of his two years at the
All Blacks and apply them, you know wherever he goes,
be it international or somewhere else. So look, I think
Scott Robinson's going to be out of work for long.
It's really I gets up to him to decide when
he wants to come back, you know, as I say,
he'll have offers, it's just a matter of which one
he decides upon.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Good on your pony.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Always appreciate your time, and especially at short notice. It's
a big day for all blacks rogue, but you always
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Pleasure Andy. Let's see how Dave Renny goes looking forward
to the seeing how twenty six and twenty seven play
out with him at the helm. Laugh out loud with
ad proud because life on the land can be a
laughing matter.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Brought to us by sheer well data working to help
the livestock farmer. Will you marry me as a marriage proposal? Well,
you marry me as a proposal of another kind? Will
you marry me as a time traveler spoiling the future?
Will you marry me as a cave woman trying to
(08:13):
make will who has amnesia? Remember who he is? That's
us for the afternoon, Piney putting it into context. There
the eminent arrival of Dave Rinny is all Lex Coach.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Leave it there for the afternoon. I'm Andy Muer.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Thanks to Peters Genetics, you've been listening to the Muster.
Enjoy the Afternoon podcast up shortly
Jason Pine joins US next weekend sporting hosts on Newstorg
ZB Piney Good afternoons, straight off the bat, we have
an All Blacks coach.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Dave Rennie has got the gig.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yeah, look what you were told I think earlier in
the fact that we were getting towards the conclusion Andy, and.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Here we are.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Look, it was a two horse race. I don't think
there was any secret about that. It was either Dave
Rennie or Jamie Joseph. And I think most All Blacks fans,
most New Zealand rugby fans, would have been pretty beppy
with either of those two candidate Tandy. You know, they
both come with a good CV, both with any national
experience Jamie Joseph of course with Japan, Dave Rennie with Australia.
(00:44):
But yeah, look, I think there'll be a there'll be
a general satisfaction in this in this decision. Good that
they've finally done it as well. I mean when we're
to go onto a week four of Super Rugby where
week way down the track there's a Rugby World Cup
next year, so hopefully Dave Brennie has an up runway
to get to get himself sorted for this year and
(01:05):
then make a bit of a charge at Rugby World
Cup twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Did you really think we'd see the day where a
Sect Wallaby's coach would be in charge of the orb Lacks.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It's a very good framing of it. No, No, I didn't.
But then again, you look at the circumstances around Dave
Rennie's exit from the Wallabies and I don't think history
will judge that decision very kindly at all on the
behalf of Raby Australia because of course, of course they
brought Eddie Jones back in and he just created an
(01:36):
absolute dumpster fire which he has since departed. So look,
I think Dave Brennie was starting to get a bit
of traction with the Wallabies. He was clearly deeply popular
with the players. And yes, the result hadn't gone his way,
and you look at the win loss ratio and it's
certainly nothing to be you know, to jump jump around
(01:56):
and jump and celebrate, But I think he did a
little bit deeper. You find a very solid human being.
For starters, you know, a guy who's been involved in
the game of rugby for goodness only knows how long. Jeffers,
Andy I remember when Dave Rennie was the coach when
willing To be in the year two thousand. You know,
(02:17):
that's over a quarter of a century ago. He's been
around a lot of rugby teams in the time since,
you know, coach the Chiefs to success at the start
of the twenty teens, and as I say it, had
a lot of experience both internationally and in club coaching.
So yeah, when you stack it all up, I think
(02:37):
it's a very good appointment from New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well you think about the year two thousand, that's where
willing To won the NPC, of course, and yeah you
fast forward to the prison that's a lot of now
sunder the old coaching manner.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, and I think that's a too.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And he is.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He is very worldly when it comes to coaching. And
if we learned anything from the Scott Robertson era, it's
that you know, that is important. And I'm not saying
that's the only reason it didn't work out for Razor.
There are other other factors that play as well. But
not having any experience of off shore, you know, there's
clearly something they wanted to remedivate this time around, and
(03:16):
in both candidates, and Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie, they
had that they had coaches who had had coached beyond
these shores, had done it outside of super Ragby, had
done it internationally. I just wonder, you know, whether the
fact that Tony Brown, who had been inextricably linked with
Jamie Joseph in the past, during their time in Japan
(03:36):
and briefly at the Highlands as brief well, I just
wonder whether whether his unavailability played a little bit against
Jamie Joseph. I'm sure that wasn't the only reason he
didn't get the job. But but Jamie Joseph and Tony
Brown together, I think is a far more compelling proposition
than Jamie Joseph by himself, if you get Madrip. So look,
(03:59):
we wait to see who Dave Rennie brings in as
his assistance, you know, that's the next step. Now, which
of those who are currently in the bowls, you know,
left behind by raiser will be retained, Who will gave
Renny want to bring in to be alongside him. That'll
be the next thing. But yet it's it's it's a
it's a wide body of work, and I think that
(04:21):
is probably the most encouraging.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Thing here is this effectively a free pass for Dave
Renny eighteen months out from the X Ragby World Cup.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't think so. This is the All Blacks any
you know, no free passes here. I think if you
were if you were taking charge of the All Blacks
one month before the Rugby World Cup, you would still
be expected to win it, you know. So no no
free pass here. It's you know, every All Blacks team
is expected to win every time they play, and that's
(04:51):
a massive ask. If you look at the year ahead,
I mean that the tour of South Africa, four tests,
three of them in the Republic, and then that one
in Baltimore, Rugby Championship, the New Nations Championship. Of course,
there's a massive, massive body of work. I think the
All Blacks play seventeen times in twenty twenty six. Of
you include the midweek matches in on Teeth of course,
(05:13):
but the midweek matches in South Africa. That is a massive,
massive year heading into a World Cup year. So no,
I don't. I don't think that all there will be
any any sense that there's a betting in here. I
think he'll come under the same scrutiny as as any
All Blacks coaching and that that's and he'll expect that,
(05:33):
he'll he'll he'll mellish that, I'm sure, Dave bry So, No, No,
I don't think there's any any sense that that there's
a free parts here in any in any sense of
that phrase.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now it's been away while now since the departure of
Scott Robertson.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
What is the future hold for him?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I see he's got a Barber's geed coming up and
they're not too distant future. Resci Orasmus has come out
with some very encouraging words. Obviously those two go back
for a very long go back from a very long
time ago.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
But what happens to Raisa now?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh, look, I think he'll find himself his next gig.
I'd be staggered that he doesn't have several offers on
the table already. Andy, He's probably just just trying to
work out when the time is right and which of
those opportunities is the right one for him. You know,
Scott Robertson hasn't become a bad rugby coach. It just
wasn't the right time for him to be All Blacks coach.
(06:26):
And who knows. I mean, as you say, if we
can take a bloke who's been sacked as well of
his coach, you know, who's to say we can't have
a guy come in who's who's had the job before
and not not worth. Look at Wayne Smith, you know,
he came back for a second go in a slightly
different capacity and was very very successful, you know, in
the in the Graham Henry and Steve Hanson era. So look,
(06:49):
I think he'll pop up somewhere. I doubt it would
be internationally. Initially, I could be wrong. It might be that,
you know, like a team like a Scotland or and
it's a Lee or even in Japan. I don't know,
Mike quite like the look of racer and that might
be quite attractive to him, and that, you know, he
would gain a bit more international experience and take all
(07:10):
of those lessons out of his two years at the
All Blacks and apply them, you know wherever he goes,
be it international or somewhere else. So look, I think
Scott Robinson's going to be out of work for long.
It's really I gets up to him to decide when
he wants to come back, you know, as I say,
he'll have offers, it's just a matter of which one
he decides upon.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Good on your pony.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Always appreciate your time, and especially at short notice. It's
a big day for all blacks rogue, but you always
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Pleasure Andy. Let's see how Dave Renny goes looking forward
to the seeing how twenty six and twenty seven play
out with him at the helm. Laugh out loud with
ad proud because life on the land can be a
laughing matter.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Brought to us by sheer well data working to help
the livestock farmer. Will you marry me as a marriage proposal? Well,
you marry me as a proposal of another kind? Will
you marry me as a time traveler spoiling the future?
Will you marry me as a cave woman trying to
(08:13):
make will who has amnesia? Remember who he is? That's
us for the afternoon, Piney putting it into context. There
the eminent arrival of Dave Rinny is all Lex Coach.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Leave it there for the afternoon. I'm Andy Muer.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Thanks to Peters Genetics, you've been listening to the Muster.
Enjoy the Afternoon podcast up shortly
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