May 14, 2026 • 8 mins
Morgan Greene looks at teat sealing and shares some thoughts around it.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
What Morgan Green of Vedius fits catches up once again.
Good a Morgie, how are you good?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Thanks Andy? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ye're pretty good? But if a man flu but that's
my issue. Look it sounds as.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Though you'll be half dying. Then if that's the case,
stop it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You carry on. You know, that's life, right, But you've
been upen we shall survive and we shall per it. Hey, Morgie,
you've been up in Queenstown underesting data regarding teat ceiling.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah. Look, there's been just some new data come out
on te seal, which, yeah, it was pretty interesting and
I guess you're probably one of the.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Overriding themes of it is in general, we haven't perfected
our management you know, around it yet and you know
it's around you know, how is peat seal persisting in
the other you know some of the I guess expectations
and perceptions that we have around it. And yeah, the
fact that look, not all teat seal stays where it's
(01:20):
meant to in in the teeth cisterns itself, and I
guess from the studies that have been done some cows
lose teat seal pretty much straight after insertions. So you know,
there's been evidence that where cows have run out of
the shed afterwards that you know, teat seal has been
seen on the rails and things like that, as you know,
(01:42):
as those others are flapping as they go past, So
it's lost straight away.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
If cows let.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Down milk, so you know, maybe they've been shifted and
they're close to the shed and they go into some
milk let down, some of the teat seal can be
lost then. And then also some of the teat seal
just goes up into the glands. So they've done x
rays because teet seal actually shows up on X rays
and you have cows that the teet seal is sitting
perfectly in the teeth, and then three four weeks later
(02:08):
it's not in the teeth, it's all up in the glands.
And from the point of view of persistency, the lack
of persistency is definitely more common in cows rather than heifers,
so you know, quite a few issues there.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Breed can be a factor. Age is a factor.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Front teeths versus back teeth all a factor, so it'd say, yeah,
some very interesting stuff come out of it. And also
they've done a bit of a trial which is an
off label trial where they put teet seal into cows
that had been dried off four weeks previously, so essentially
trying to mimic what happens in in dairy heifers when
(02:51):
you're putting teet seal in, so you're putting it into
an involuted gland. So some promising data coming out of that,
but of course the real challenge around it is going
to be howactical is it to do that, but certainly
reducing some of the issues around that we see around
clinical mass idis rates afterwards, you know, both from the
point of view of I guess normal strip hubris mass IDUs,
(03:15):
which a lot of the time is probably not noticed,
but then also the toxic staff oureous massed IDUs, which
is where.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
We get the sick cows.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So yes, it looks some very interesting stuff to come
out of it, and you know it'll be a little
bit of watch this space with regards to what happens
in future. But yeah, I guess the overriding theme is, look,
it is an effective treatment, but we do need to
manage the process really well from the point of view
of hygiene, but equally as important the management of the
(03:44):
cows around the dry down process, so not just the
day of dry off itself, but the week beforehand that
we're getting our nutrition right and in particular the last
two or three days before the day of dry off
really really important. So there's some of the things to consider,
and obviously if people are you know, more interested, they
should be talking to you know, talking to their vester,
(04:06):
to their nutrition advisor around some of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
There's a pretty predtic code and tight seale four weeks
after dry off that considering they'll be on cropping the likes.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, but that's that's exactly it. It may not be practical
at all. It may be practical.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
We're where you know, people that heard homes, you know
that they're going to be right beside the shed anyways,
that that may be something that is practical. But yeah, absolutely,
if col's have gone away to grazing, it's certainly not
going to be a practical option. So it's certainly not
going to be for everybody. But it's an interesting, you know,
an interesting theory and an interesting topic, and you know,
(04:41):
something that a lot of people have wondered about for
you know, for quite a while. Is this a way
that we can reduce some of the issues around teeth
seal that can happen at the time of dry off.
So but yeah, one hundred percent degree. For a lot
of people, it's not going to be in any way practical,
(05:02):
but for some people it may be, and it might
be that it's practical for a particular group of cows.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So in particular your older cows.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So one of the options that you have is if
they are eligible for dry cow antibiotic therapy, that they're
getting antibiotics at the time of normal dryoff and then
four weeks later getting some teat seal which is going
to protect them around the time of calving and in
fact into the first thirty days post calvin as well.
(05:30):
There's some really good data on that and also in fact,
one of the things that was quite interesting is they've
done some antimicrobial data on bismuth, which is the active
ingredient in teat seal, and there's actually some antimicrobial properties
in there which I actually wasn't aware of.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But the flip side is, like you said, if you can,
if you can reduce mess status, it's probably worth looking at.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And that's one of the key things
is if it is helping to rejuice the level of
masstitus but also reduce the risk that we see around
some of the toxic mass IDUs issues around dry off,
you know, that may make a big difference. And I
guess you know it's going to be picking your cows,
(06:15):
choosing your farm.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You know, not all farms are equal, Like you.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Know, getting back to that persistency thing.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
We have some farms where persistency issues.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Seem to be more of a problem than persistency issues
on other farms. And it's still trying to figure out, Look,
what are these reasons We just we just don't know.
There's still a lot of science that's up in the
air around it. We know the product itself is effective,
but in some respects we don't really know why.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And it's a busy time as well, dry off happening
on the farm crops Transitioning talked about this of injury
last week, So all of a sudden, there's a busy
time of year as you get ready for the winter cycle.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, look at it is. It's to be fair.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
May is now turning out to be probably our busiest
month of the year. Whereas you know, Chief, we went
back fifteen twenty years ago, it was a time where
you know, we could begin to take a little bit
of time off.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But yes, certainly not anymore. It's all hands on deck
at the moment. But I guess, look, that's a good thing.
Once we get into the middle of June, things we'll
begin to slow down a little bit for us, and
then you have a little bit of quieter time before
we're back into cabin again. Because yeah, the seasons seasons
go by, were almost almost at the end of May,
and you'd wonder, chee, where's twenty twenty six gone?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The tame in Idiot's fits. It's buzzy, but people will
get back to you. What's a fine number.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Look, give us a call at Riversdale two zero two
five six three six or Tiano on two four nine
seven zero three nine.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Thanks Morgan, always good to catch up.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Hey, good, Yeah, have a good weekend, Andy, take
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Care Morgan grain of in his fits, Yeah, listening to
the Master up Nick's Michelle Watt and the country crossover
a
The Muster's animal health segment within his vets adding value
through practical advice and service. No gimmicks, no potions, total
vet cares.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What Morgan Green of Vedius fits catches up once again.
Good a Morgie, how are you good?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Thanks Andy? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ye're pretty good? But if a man flu but that's
my issue. Look it sounds as.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Though you'll be half dying. Then if that's the case,
stop it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You carry on. You know, that's life, right, But you've
been upen we shall survive and we shall per it. Hey, Morgie,
you've been up in Queenstown underesting data regarding teat ceiling.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah. Look, there's been just some new data come out
on te seal, which, yeah, it was pretty interesting and
I guess you're probably one of the.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Overriding themes of it is in general, we haven't perfected
our management you know, around it yet and you know
it's around you know, how is peat seal persisting in
the other you know some of the I guess expectations
and perceptions that we have around it. And yeah, the
fact that look, not all teat seal stays where it's
(01:20):
meant to in in the teeth cisterns itself, and I
guess from the studies that have been done some cows
lose teat seal pretty much straight after insertions. So you know,
there's been evidence that where cows have run out of
the shed afterwards that you know, teat seal has been
seen on the rails and things like that, as you know,
(01:42):
as those others are flapping as they go past, So
it's lost straight away.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
If cows let.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Down milk, so you know, maybe they've been shifted and
they're close to the shed and they go into some
milk let down, some of the teat seal can be
lost then. And then also some of the teat seal
just goes up into the glands. So they've done x
rays because teet seal actually shows up on X rays
and you have cows that the teet seal is sitting
perfectly in the teeth, and then three four weeks later
(02:08):
it's not in the teeth, it's all up in the glands.
And from the point of view of persistency, the lack
of persistency is definitely more common in cows rather than heifers,
so you know, quite a few issues there.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Breed can be a factor. Age is a factor.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Front teeths versus back teeth all a factor, so it'd say, yeah,
some very interesting stuff come out of it. And also
they've done a bit of a trial which is an
off label trial where they put teet seal into cows
that had been dried off four weeks previously, so essentially
trying to mimic what happens in in dairy heifers when
(02:51):
you're putting teet seal in, so you're putting it into
an involuted gland. So some promising data coming out of that,
but of course the real challenge around it is going
to be howactical is it to do that, but certainly
reducing some of the issues around that we see around
clinical mass idis rates afterwards, you know, both from the
point of view of I guess normal strip hubris mass IDUs,
(03:15):
which a lot of the time is probably not noticed,
but then also the toxic staff oureous massed IDUs, which
is where.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
We get the sick cows.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
So yes, it looks some very interesting stuff to come
out of it, and you know it'll be a little
bit of watch this space with regards to what happens
in future. But yeah, I guess the overriding theme is, look,
it is an effective treatment, but we do need to
manage the process really well from the point of view
of hygiene, but equally as important the management of the
(03:44):
cows around the dry down process, so not just the
day of dry off itself, but the week beforehand that
we're getting our nutrition right and in particular the last
two or three days before the day of dry off
really really important. So there's some of the things to consider,
and obviously if people are you know, more interested, they
should be talking to you know, talking to their vester,
(04:06):
to their nutrition advisor around some of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
There's a pretty predtic code and tight seale four weeks
after dry off that considering they'll be on cropping the likes.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, but that's that's exactly it. It may not be practical
at all. It may be practical.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
We're where you know, people that heard homes, you know
that they're going to be right beside the shed anyways,
that that may be something that is practical. But yeah, absolutely,
if col's have gone away to grazing, it's certainly not
going to be a practical option. So it's certainly not
going to be for everybody. But it's an interesting, you know,
an interesting theory and an interesting topic, and you know,
(04:41):
something that a lot of people have wondered about for
you know, for quite a while. Is this a way
that we can reduce some of the issues around teeth
seal that can happen at the time of dry off.
So but yeah, one hundred percent degree. For a lot
of people, it's not going to be in any way practical,
(05:02):
but for some people it may be, and it might
be that it's practical for a particular group of cows.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So in particular your older cows.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So one of the options that you have is if
they are eligible for dry cow antibiotic therapy, that they're
getting antibiotics at the time of normal dryoff and then
four weeks later getting some teat seal which is going
to protect them around the time of calving and in
fact into the first thirty days post calvin as well.
(05:30):
There's some really good data on that and also in fact,
one of the things that was quite interesting is they've
done some antimicrobial data on bismuth, which is the active
ingredient in teat seal, and there's actually some antimicrobial properties
in there which I actually wasn't aware of.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But the flip side is, like you said, if you can,
if you can reduce mess status, it's probably worth looking at.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And that's one of the key things
is if it is helping to rejuice the level of
masstitus but also reduce the risk that we see around
some of the toxic mass IDUs issues around dry off,
you know, that may make a big difference. And I
guess you know it's going to be picking your cows,
(06:15):
choosing your farm.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You know, not all farms are equal, Like you.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Know, getting back to that persistency thing.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
We have some farms where persistency issues.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Seem to be more of a problem than persistency issues
on other farms. And it's still trying to figure out, Look,
what are these reasons We just we just don't know.
There's still a lot of science that's up in the
air around it. We know the product itself is effective,
but in some respects we don't really know why.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And it's a busy time as well, dry off happening
on the farm crops Transitioning talked about this of injury
last week, So all of a sudden, there's a busy
time of year as you get ready for the winter cycle.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, look at it is. It's to be fair.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
May is now turning out to be probably our busiest
month of the year. Whereas you know, Chief, we went
back fifteen twenty years ago, it was a time where
you know, we could begin to take a little bit
of time off.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But yes, certainly not anymore. It's all hands on deck
at the moment. But I guess, look, that's a good thing.
Once we get into the middle of June, things we'll
begin to slow down a little bit for us, and
then you have a little bit of quieter time before
we're back into cabin again. Because yeah, the seasons seasons
go by, were almost almost at the end of May,
and you'd wonder, chee, where's twenty twenty six gone?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The tame in Idiot's fits. It's buzzy, but people will
get back to you. What's a fine number.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Look, give us a call at Riversdale two zero two
five six three six or Tiano on two four nine
seven zero three nine.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Thanks Morgan, always good to catch up.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Hey, good, Yeah, have a good weekend, Andy, take
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Care Morgan grain of in his fits, Yeah, listening to
the Master up Nick's Michelle Watt and the country crossover
a
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