Dr Colin Ross The Ross Institute - Trauma - Mind Control - The Opperman Report'

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from the Ross Institute. We'll be talking about Trauma Mind
Control CIA MK Ultra. His website is the Ross Institute,
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Com will be talking about the book CIA Doctors. He's

(02:30):
got a webinar coming up Trauma ed Essentials dot Com.
June sixteenth, Doctor Ross.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Are you there, Yes, I am, and thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
No, great, Thank you so much. I'm really excited about this.
So tell us about yourself. Who is doctor Colin Ross.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I don't know. I never met the guy.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Very good. Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
So I was born in Canada, I grew up there,
went to medical school in Ebonton, and then did my
psychiatry training in Winnipeg. And then I was an academic
medical school based psychiatrist in Winnipeg for six years, and
then in nineteen ninety one I moved to Dallas, where
I've been based ever since. And I've got a hospital

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based trauma program in Dallas, one in Michigan, and one
in LA that I consult to, and I do lots
of writing and lots of speaking. And I've got a
whole model for psychotherapy of trauma and a model for
the relationship between trauma and all kinds of mental health
problems in general.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Okay, very good. Now your practice what does it involve?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, I don't have a private practice that's open, but
at the hospitals, these three hospitals, there's a trauma program
which specializes in people who are basically very suicidal. You
have to be pretty suicidal to get into a mental
hospital these days. And the suicide is all tied into
unresolved effects of massive amounts of childhood trauma, physical abuse,

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sexual abuse, family violence, loss of parents, the whole package
of different forms of child to trauma.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Okay, and you're finding that the people who have experienced
this trauma like in early childhood, it's it's like an
organized groups in the military and satanic cults that are
causing this trauma.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Most of the time not okay, but some of the
time yes. So we had a huge wave. So I've
been running this kind of program in the Dallas area
since nineteen ninety one, and in the ninety two to
ninety five timeframe, we had an awful lot of people
described in growing up in Satanic cults. Now, how much
of this is objectively actually true, how much is not true?

(04:48):
What percentage? I can't prove or disprove. But so my
whole treatment model is based on my goal is not
to prove, disprove, believe, not believe, and then I guess
into you know a lot of details about how the
treatment works. But nevertheless, we heard an awful lot of
satanic critual abuse stories and then they've kind of quietened

(05:11):
down over the last twenty plus years, but not to zero.
So we still have I don't have the exact number,
but somewhere between two three four percent somewhere and there
people coming into the program describe growing up in Satanic
cults with very organized rituals and all kinds of mind

(05:33):
control abuse. And then we have a smaller percentage describing
military or CIA mind control, but again not zero.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
And you say, you don't try and prove or this proof,
But what is your conclusion though, how many of these people?
Because I'll tell you why. As a private investigator, I
have a lot of clients come to me and they
describe this kind of trium in their life as well,
you know what I mean, And I try and figure out, hey,
you know, did this really happen to them or is
this something going on in their head?

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Right?

Speaker 4 (06:07):
What have you been finding with that.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I've been finding? I don't know, right, seriously, I mean
that's the bottom line. I can't prove it and I
can't disprove it. And really, most people, like in the
profession and in the world in general, they just reach
a conclusion based on their preconceived attitudes. So they think
it's bogus, they conclude it's bogus. They think it's real,
they conclude it's real, without any proof or disproof either way.

(06:35):
But personally, I would say I doubt that zero percent
of it's real, and I also doubt that one hundred
percent is real. But where it falls in between, and
you know how much what percentage from case to case,
there's just no way for a clinician to tell, except
once in a while when somebody says something is totally impossible,
like physically impossible.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Right, and does it affect the way you treat them?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I'd written a whole series of books, and one's called
Satanic Critural Abuse Principles of Treatment. One's called The CIA Doctors,
which is not so much about treatment, but in a
lot of detail. I devised a lot of strategies where
you don't have to decide it's the same tasks, the
same series of steps, the same strategies and interventions, no

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matter what you assume, mostly real, mostly not real. Okay,
I could describe that in more detail if.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
You like, Yeah, go ahead and do that, okay.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
So one good example. So a lot of the people
who describe Satanic critural abuse. Also have multiple personality disorder,
which is now called associative identity disorder. So it used
to be MPD, now it's DID. It's the same thing, basically,
we just changed the name for a whole bunch of reasons.
And there's the occasional person I see with satanic critural

(07:59):
abuse back around without ID, but big majority have DID.
So first of all, you have to have a model
for general therapy of d ID, which I have, which
again is a series of books, but it's a pretty
common I was just writing about this in a paper
that just got accepted at a journal, so it's a

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very common scenario. Here we are in June, right, So
June twenty first is the solstice, which also is described
as being a big Satanic ritual day. So there's calendar
days that go around the year where there's big rituals
that go on. And so if somebody was in the hospital,
now there's a pretty good chance they'd be say as

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a woman, and they're a Christian, So they go to church,
they identify themselves as Christians, and they describe growing up
in a Satanic cult. Their father was the high priest,
and there's parts in the background who are the programmed cultals.
So they've been mind controlled, conditioned, brainwashed into believing that

(09:05):
Satan's the greatest guy around and they have to serve
him and their reward will be with Satan in hell,
which is kind of a strange place to get a reward,
and they have to be obedient to the job, the mission,
the programming, the orders which came from Dad and other
high people in the cult, and if they don't, then

(09:27):
they're useless and no good and they have to kill themselves.
So the outfront person takes the position, well, I'm not
a Satanist. I'm a Christian. Those are different people inside.
That's not me. They want to go to the cult.
I don't. They're programmed, I'm not. And then so the

(09:47):
person out front is called the host personality just by convention,
that's the part that's outfront most of the time, taking
care of day in and day out life. So the
host personality feels like she's the victim of the cult
alters who are going to drag her to the cult ceremony,
and she wants us to go in there, fix them,

(10:09):
deprogram them, counter brainwash them. Well, she kind of sits
on the sidelines. That's going to the presenting scenario.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Usually now with the I guess we'll call her the
victim or the patient, will they realize that they have
other personalities actively working behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Uh, not all the time. It's variable. So some people
come in and they're suicidal, they're depressed, they have a
drug and alcohol problem, whatever brings them in, and they
think everybody hears voices in their head or they think, well, yeah,
I have all these periods of missing time, but I
thought everybody was that ware. I just thought it was weird.

(10:51):
So they'll have a lot of symptoms going back in time,
but they haven't put it together. So they were often
aware of hearing voices like ninety percent of the time,
but they don't really know what the voices are, where
they're coming from. And then some people know that they've
got a six year old named Susie in a twelve
year old adolescent who's hostile and angry, and they can

(11:14):
say their names and so on, and they internally talk
back and forth with them, and they can tell you
that these parts sometimes take over and do stuff and
they're blanked out. So it varies at the time of diagnosis.
Some people have a lot of awareness, some people kind
of an inkling and some people not much. But once
you're in therapy, the idea is to get know your parts,

(11:36):
set up communication channels, and be more aware.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
So now when you're treating these patients, you'll actually talk
to a six year old will come out of them
and talk to and they won't remember this.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, that's variable too, So there's all degrees of amnesia,
and the goal of treatment is not to have any amnesia,
have all the parts communicating, aware of each other and
working together as a team instead of going in all
different directions and having tons of conflict. But at the beginning,
it's pretty common for when another part comes out, the

(12:08):
outfront host personality is totally gone and doesn't remember when
she comes back, and then that's been happening out in
the world, which is why they say it was ten
in the morning. The next thing I knew was six pm,
and I don't know what I've been doing or where
I was.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
And do you treat this with medication?

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Medication kind of helps around the edges a bit, so
there's no medication for the dissociative disorder, the the idea itself,
but for the anxiety, the depression, different things, but the
core of its psychotherapy.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Okay, and can people recover from this?

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, I know people personally, and there's other
therapists who've treated a lot of cases who've gotten too
integration which is all blended back together into one peron
and then you're not hearing voices, you're not having missing time,
you're not having all of a sudden, all these behaviors
going on that you don't want to happen, you don't

(13:10):
have control over. It all goes away. And along with that,
the depression, the substance abuse, the eating disorders, everything really
can improve amazingly and dramatically, which I've seen myself.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Now you hear some of these public people come out
and they do a lot of alternative media and they
talk about this, and some of them claim that marijuana
helps to alleviate this. You any opinion on that.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I have a little bit of an opinion, And I
want to cycle back to the satanic crtual abuse scenario
and describe how I intervene. But so I was brought
up in the conventional medical world, in medical school and
so on. The marijuana is bad. Of course, alcohol and
cigarettes are fine. But actually alcohol and cigarettes are far

(14:00):
more toxic than marijuana, and doctors in general have seen
all kinds of cases of end stage liver disease. Person's
just got six months to live because of lung cancer
and they've been smoking all their lives. So everybody's seen
lots of bad effects of alcohol and tobacco. But the

(14:21):
medical provision when I was in training, had a really
huge negative attitude towards marijuana and a very permissive attitude
towards cigarettes and alcohol, which was way out of proportion
to the objective reality of how damaging those things are.
So that was kind of the background I came out of.
And now, of course we're starting to find out that

(14:44):
it's not just marijuana. It's THC and CBD, which are
two components of marijuana, and the THHC is tetrahydrocannabinol is
what gets you high, which is why people like it.
The CBD is another chemical in there, and it seems
to be the one that has the medical benefits. And

(15:06):
so there's clear cases of amazing responses of You can
see videos online on YouTube Easley of a guy with
Parkinson's disease shaking tremendously, which he's been doing NonStop for years,
and he takes some cannabis oil high CBD cannabis oil

(15:27):
ten fifteen twenty minutes later it all settles down, and
little kids with ten fifteen seizures per day for years
on CBD, all of a sudden they're having one a month.
And there's some evidence starting to come in that it
may be helpful in post traumatic stress disorder and so on.

(15:48):
So whether you just get stoned and don't have to
deal with your problems for a while where it's actually
directly helping, I'm not sure, But I'm kind of on
the fence scientifically about what its role is going to
prove out to be because we just don't know. But
I don't think the role of it's going to turn

(16:08):
out to be zero.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
That's aching you mentioned ptsdate, How does that fit into
this whole mix of.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
In the Diagnostic Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, which
is the fifth edition, so it's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual,
fifth Edition DSM five, which is kind of the recipe
book for making psychiatric diagnoses, sections are put beside each
other if they're closely related. So the post traumatic stress

(16:39):
section is right beside the dissociative disorders, and it says
that's because they're closely related. So people with associate of
identity disorder in patients about eighty percent meat criteria for
post traumatic stress disorder. But the other way around, it's
only a small percentage of people with post traumatic stress
disorder who have d id gotcha? But they're all part

(17:05):
of the same big ball of wax of trauma response.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Now, do I understand that you're going just mentioned something
you wanted to backtrack to, something about satanic conjolivis.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, So we had that scenario. If here's the which
is a good scenario right now, because it's close to
June twenty first, the host personality is saying, you've got
to do something about these cult alters. They want to
go back to the they want to get discharged, they
want to go to the ceremony on June twenty first
with my dad and kill some babies. And so that's

(17:38):
a little alarming. So but you have to be careful
as a therapist not to get because if you just
flip out and get all alarmed, you're not gonna be
able to help the person. Right, So I maintain what
I call therapeutic neutrality, which I kind of explained already.
But therapeutic neutrality is I don't believe and I don't
not believe doing either. Whereas most public discussions, it's the

(18:03):
believers versus the non believers having a big fight with
each other. And so I explain that to the person
I'm working with. And one of the reasons I explain
that is there's going to be parts inside who believe
it's real, and there's likely going to be parts who
think it's not real. And so if you just take
one side or the other, you don't have a treatment

(18:24):
relationship with the parts on the opposite side. And your
goal really is to work with this whole system of
parts and get them to work together as a team,
which you can't do by taking sides one against the other.
So I maintain therapeutic neutrality. And then there's a technique
called talking through. So the cult alters in this example

(18:46):
would be listening on the inside, so they're awake on
the inside listening, and so therefore I can talk to
them by talking through the host personality. I don't have
to have them come out and take control of the
body necessarily. I'll talk through and I'll hello, I'm doctor
Ross and explain a little bit who I am and

(19:06):
where we are right now and what's going on, and
the fact that i'd like to ask some questions, and
then I'll say, would you like to ask me any questions?
They may most likely they'll give some sort of hostile
or smart aucresponse, which the host personality then passes on,
and then I'll ask them what year it is currently,
and they'll say something like nineteen ninety two or nineteen

(19:29):
eighty three. So those altra personalities, whether it's satanic critch
abuse case or not, or it just quotes regular d
id often the younger child adolescent parts absolutely cognitively don't
get it that it's twenty eighteen. They're literally cognitively back

(19:50):
in the past, and they'll say, yeah, I'm twelve, and
I live at home with my mom and my dad,
my brother and my sister and my dog. In this
hypothetical example here, let's say they say it's nineteen eighty three,
but I already know that the patient's father died in
two thousand and four, so then I know there's zero

(20:11):
possibility of going to a cult ceremony in twenty eighteen
with dad because he's not even alive anymore. So that
helps me to be a little less alarmed. And then
I know, well, these little parts inside who really want
to be there, and that's their whole role, and that's
their meaning and their purpose, they've got a big problem

(20:33):
because they're going to get hit with a whole tsunami
of grief when they figure out that it is twenty
and eighteen, because I'll work with them and explain it
to them. And Dad's been dead and there's no chance
of ever hooking up with him again. So I have
empathy for these parts in advance because I know they're
going to get hit with a whole lot of grief,

(20:56):
and I know they've just been brainwashed, and no kid
really wants to be involved a whole lot of gory,
statistic abuse. So then I'll I may shift off at
that at that point and start explaining to these guys
on the inside. Okay, so you've been threatening to kill her,
which is why she's here in this hospital, and we

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can't discharge you if you're threatening to kill her all
the time. We can't discharge people whose suicidal risk is
way way up there. So if you do want to
leave the hospital before June twenty. First, you're going to
have to stop with threatening all this suicide, and then
they'll go, oh, yeah, okay, okay, we're not suicidal. But
of course I'm kind of conning them, and they're kind

(21:40):
of conning me because I don't buy it that they're
actually not suicidal. They're just pretending not to be because
now they get it. But at the same time actually
sort of in fact, they've stopped being suicidal, which is
the reason for admission. So I'm already kind of halfway
to discharge right there. All makes sense.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
It does because I was going to ask you, if
you take precautions that they're not going to go out
and kill these kids, But have you ever run across
cases where they know they had the date right, they
knew what the date was, and you were concerned that
they were going to run out and sacrifice babies.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I don't personally have like high levels of anxiety about
it at all currently, But back in the nineties when
we were just all this kind of landed on our laps,
we had no training, no nothing, there's no literature on it,
no guidance from anybody. We did many, many hours of
team meetings, and talking about this, that and the other.

(22:40):
Do we believe it, do we not believe it? Do
we have to report it to the police. And the
net outcome is it's completely futile to report it to
the police because they don't have time, they don't really
believe it, and the person doesn't have any concrete information
like this person this middle name, first name, middle name,

(23:02):
last name, and this birthdate is buried at this specific location.
It's just stuff happened in the woods, and you know,
I was kind of drugged, taken out of my bed
transported there. I don't know exactly who it is who
it was that got killed, because they are some sort
of homeless kids, or don't know where they came from.

(23:22):
So there's like nothing to investigate if you're looking at
it from the perspective of a busy police officer. And
I've never been involved in a case that's been investigated
where there's actual courtroom level objective evidence or proof, which
doesn't prove it's not real. That's just the way it is.

(23:44):
So I don't I don't try and take any kind
of action outside the therapy because there's no purpose. I'm
kind of concerned about it, but there's nothing I can do.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Have you ever run across a case where you found
out later on that they did go back to some
kind of a.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Not with any objective proof.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
No, boy, But.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'd be very very happy if there was an actual
bust with actual like videotape or some kind of objective evidence.
That would be great because it'd be good to have
on some objective evidence that wouldn't prove it's all rule real,
but it would prove it's not all not real.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Okay, this is a good time to take a break
well with doctor Colin Ross the Ross Institute. His webinar
is Trauma ed Essentials dot com. It's coming out on
June sixteenth, but I believe you do one every month though,
he said, yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Everyone on June sixteenth. I'm not the actual speaker, but
I'll be speaking in June, at July and August.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Okay, great. On the website is Rossinstitute dot com, r
O s I n ST dot com. We'll be right
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I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman. We're here today
with the doctor Colin A. Ross from the Ross Institute.

(29:26):
His book we're talking about today is CIA Doctors. Doctor Ross, Now,
you've been doing this, as you described a long time. Now, right,
how many of these the cases or these patients have
you treated or studied?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, there's me treating in terms of I'm doing all
the therapy myself. That's a relatively small number. But people
have come through my program who I've done at least
one assessment therapy session with hundreds. You have satanic abuse
in their background as they describe it, and CIA military

(30:05):
mind control dozens at least.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Okay, we'll get into that in a second note. Since
these people are complaining about Satanism, right, do you take
into account that there's a spiritual aspect into this, and
do you ever recruit or employ like a priest or
an exorcist, not to be overly dramatic, but you know,
like a priest or minister to come in and pray
with them or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Exorcists, No, because the problem there is that I have
written about this in a lot of detail too, so
we think that these people have just one personality. They're
just one person that's fragmented it in bits and pieces,
and so there's not literally different people in there, and
there's not literally different entities from outside in there either,

(30:53):
because we're looking at it through the lens of psychology,
and what we see is that when you have bad
actor parts inside who are acting like demons or claim
their demons and trying to scare the host personality, and
then you try and exercise them, no, number one, it
doesn't work, and number two, they just come back more angry,

(31:13):
more hostile, more vindictive than ever. So it's counter therapeutic,
and we want to make friends with them, find out
why they're there, what their function is, and gradually shift
them over into being help or protector parts. So we
don't want to get rid of parts, period, because they're

(31:35):
all just parts of the whole person holding different thoughts, feelings, memories, attitudes.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Okay. Now, one other question I had for you is
I had another I've spoken to another therapist who was
a drug counselor, and as you was counseling this woman,
she started telling them about being satantically ritual abused as
a child, and he was contacted by a very well
known Satanist who was described and was confronted by this man.

(32:03):
Have you ever had a situation like that where this
other side organized Satanists have confronted you or harassed you
or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
No, I haven't, okay, which is a little peculiar. I
don't know why.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Well, I know too, you were speaking up there at
that group up there in Seattle, the sid D I
D Thing Group.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
I i SSTD International Society for the Study of Trauma
and Dissociation. We do have some people who pick at
that and harrasses, but they're not human sacrifice type Sttanists.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Okay, Now, then what happened? Now, somehow along the line,
the CIA got a hold of this method and started
using it for their own purposes.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yes, no, maybe, Okay, So I can get into all
the documentation and the facts about CIA mind control here
of bunch. I do want to one time more though,
cycle back to the case example. Okay, you mind if
we do that?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Okay, So I'm talking to the satanic parts inside. I
work with them to look out through the eyes. Look
at their hands. Those look like seven year old boys hands. No,
those are her hands. Okay. So how come you're looking
through her eyes at her hands, Well, that's because you're
inside her body. Take a look at your shoes and

(33:28):
so you don't have to believe me because they think
I'm tricking them. You can check it out for yourself,
especially after you leave the hospital. Look at the cars,
look at the hairstyles, look at TV, watch the news,
and you'll see after a while, lit'll sink in it
actually is twenty eighteen, and it'll start to sink in
that you actually live inside her body. And then a

(33:50):
little side thing is if you kill her, that means
you're going to be dead too. Sure, that's what you
want to have happen. But then I'll talk to them
and they'll tell me the whole story if they want
to go to the ceremony, and then I'll come back
to the host personality who thinks these are evil satanic
mind controlled parts. And I'll say, you know what, how

(34:12):
about if we look at them a little bit differently.
Let's forget all the satanic stuff and all the gore
and baby sacrifice and all that. Just put that aside
for a second and translate all of this into normal English.
So what are they actually saying. They're saying, we want
to go hang out with dad, do some stuff he

(34:32):
likes to do, and have him be proud of us.
Now how satanic does that sound? That sounds totally normal.
Then they dress it up in all the language of
killing babies. Of course that's horrifying and no good and bad.
But maybe what they're doing is, you're holding my dad's evil.
I want nothing to do with them. I don't love him.

(34:53):
I just hate him. They're holding we love our dad
and we want to hang out and be with them.
So the problem is not so much whether the cult
is still operating, whether there's any danger in twenty eighteen.
The therapy problem is you've got extremely conflicted feelings about
your dad. Parts of you love them, parts of you

(35:15):
hate them, parts of you are Satanists, parts of your Christians.
And this is a problem internally with you that we
can work with you to try and resolve. And the
more you say they're bad and evil because they want
to be with your dad, the more you're pushing away
that basic mammal mammal bond that people have with their parents,

(35:36):
which doesn't get stamped down to zero by abuse and trauma.
And so the host personnel he goes, oh, I never
looked at it that way, and then the cull talters
are going Finally somebody gets it, and then there's a
whole process, you know, try and move that forward and
get everybody on board. So basically what I've done is
I've just completely sidestepped do I believe it or not

(35:59):
believe it? Is it real, not real, what's going on
in the outside world, and made it be a therapy
problem since I'm a therapist, not a police officer or
an investigator. And the person surely has a whole bunch
of very conflicted feelings about their dad, because if the
abuse was real, the ritual abuse, obviously you're going to

(36:20):
have a bunch of conflicted feelings if it never happened.
Having false memories that your dad was killing babies in
a satanic cult is pretty clear evidence that you've got
some conflicted feelings about them, right, So the target of
the therapy is these conflicted feelings, which are there for sure,
not whether it's objectively historically true or not. That's kind

(36:41):
of a quick summary of the logic of the approach.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
And fascinating it and when you will it down to that,
because everyone has conflicted feelings about their dad that yeah,
don't go.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, but my dad killed babies and that's why I
hate them.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah hopefully, yeah, hopefully. So then then what happened now
that somehow the CIA got a hold of this technique
and they started using it to manipulate and control people.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well, what happened in terms of my personal professional history
in the history of the field is if we go
back to when I'm in medical school, which is seventy
seven to eighty one, not a word about childhood sexual abuse,
physical abuse, family violence, rape, none of that. It just
was like off the radar. And when you had read
the textbooks. My textbook, which is the nineteen eighty textbook version,

(37:30):
had a reference to a nineteen fifty five study saying
that incest occurs in one family out of a million.
So there's gigantic denial of just regular domestic physical abuse,
sexual abuse, family violence, and we ignored it and pretended
it didn't happen. And then basically the women's movement and

(37:51):
a whole bunch of outside of academia social pressure made
people realize, Okay, there's tons of childhood sexual abuse going on,
and so we start off with total denial, it's reel,
ignoring it completely, and then we gradually, against a lot
of resistance, shifted over to yeah, there's tons of sexual abuse,
physical abuse, childhood neglect, all of that going on. So

(38:16):
we kind of get up to speed on like regular
domestic abuse and violence, and then all of a sudden
we start hearing the Satanic stuff and we go, Okay,
there's nothing in the textbooks, never heard about it. Is
it real? Is it not real? We're back and forth,
and then I read everything there was to read and
talked all the people in the field. Nobody could prove

(38:38):
or disprove anything. So then we're left with this kind
of question mark, and then I have to figure out
how to work around that therapeutically. Then, just with a
few years lag time, So the Satanic stuff came out
late eighties, the CIA mind control stuff. We started hearing
about that in two ninety three time frame more. And

(39:03):
so then we're going, okay, well, which way around is this?
Is this going to be like the regular family violent
sexual abuse we found out it was just a whole
pilot denial and there's lots of reality to it. Or
is it going to be like the Satanic stuff where
we're just kind of chasing shadows and we can never
get to any objective reality. And so then I started

(39:25):
to read. I went down to the CIA reading room
and read all the mk Ultra documents, got all of them,
which is fifteen thousand pages. And the more I looked
into it, and the more I went to the medical
school library and got papers from journals from the fifties,
sixty seventies, and put all the funding sources together and
all the different investigators, and got documentation that a lot

(39:48):
of them were cleared at top secret by the CIA.
I was able to piece together this pretty large mountain
of an actual objective for sure, proof of complicated CIA
mind control programs, including Manchurian candidate programs that were operational
back in the Second World War, where they create an

(40:11):
artificial multiple personality and they create access codes or signals
so they can call out the person they've created in
the program, give them some assignment, and then that person
goes back inside and the outfront person has no knowledge
of the mission at all. Therefore, if they're caught and interrogated,

(40:33):
you can't really get the truth out of them. So
all of that is described in documents very clearly, very explicitly,
and all the connections with CIAFBI, military, of all this
network of doctors is absolutely proven. But then that brings
us back to treatment in individual cases. It's the same

(40:56):
as the satanic critual abuse almost all the time. You
can't prove it, you can't disprove it, but what you
can say is stuff like this happened for real, it's
actually really.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
There. In your study of these documents, how many subjects
of these experiments were there?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Well, we only have we the general public. We only
have the tip of the iceberg in terms of what's
been declassified, and that stops in nineteen seventy three. So
all the CIA, MI and military mind control programs, except
for a little bit of LSD experimentation by the army
up until the late seventies, it's all basically black ops

(41:45):
still classified. We have no objective proof, but up until
nineteen seventy three. So the CIA was created in nineteen
forty seven from basically all the people who were in
the Office of Strategic Services, which was created in the
early forties to coordinate US intelligence efforts in the Second
World War. All the people in the OSS kind of

(42:09):
got demobilized at the end of the war, but then
reorganized and became the core of the CIA, formed in
nineteen forty seven. The first CIA documented CIA Mind Control
program was signed into operation in April nine, nineteen fifty,
by the Director of the CIA, which was three months
before the Korean War, because the Korean War started in

(42:31):
June nineteen fifty. And that was called a Project Bluebird.
And then Project Bluebird rolled over into Project Artichoke, which
rolled over into MK Ultra, which then rolled over into
MK Search, And that spanned nineteen fifty to nineteen seventy three.
And then there's a whole bunch of other parallel projects

(42:51):
MK Naomi project. Often there's a bunch of them that
have been declassified. But for sure, like I said, that's
just the tip of the iceberg, and I did. I
had one phone conversation with Sidney Kluttlieb before he died
who was the head of mk Ultra, And he told me,
first of all, he kind of like played domb and
he doesn't know this, and he doesn't know that. But

(43:14):
then he kind of dropped that and he just threw in,
you know, there was another unit besides mine. So he
took a lot of heat and was kind of thrown
under the bus by the CIA in a way, and
so he had some resentment. But according to him, there's
a whole nother mind control unit operating for I don't

(43:35):
know how long, about which we have no documentation. Nobody
knows its name. So this is why I think it's
just a tip of the iceberg. But like mk Ultra
itself had one hundred and forty nine different subprojects and
this you can kind of break them down about thirds.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
So go ahead, No, I was listening. But if they
had one hundred and forty nine projects thirty nine projects,
then there mus have been hundreds of people involved in
these programs.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Oh yeah, huge numbers. See the in the all the
Senate committee hearings that happened in the mid seventies where
all this stuff got declassified. The Army General Council for
the US Army released a document that lists. I can't
remember the exact number, but it's about one hundred and
twenty five different substances that the Army tested in mind

(44:25):
control experiments, including LSDBZ all kinds of stuff. And the
Army has released that they tested LSDL by their reckoning,
which is for sure underestimate, on at least fifteen hundred soldiers.
So you've got fifteen hundred got LSD, you've got one

(44:45):
hundred and twenty five different compounds, and that's just what
they've admitted to. So it's somewhere in like the tens
of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who were
involved in at least some kind of mind control experimentation.
We have no idea what the exact number is. And
so that's not just a couple of mad doctors in

(45:07):
the basement somewhere. That's a big organization. And when you
look at the mk Ultra contracts, you can roughly divide
him into thirds. So a third were just basically industrial procurement.
So they wanted a supply of this drug or that
compound or that compound, so they contracted with some company.

(45:28):
Roughly about a third the investigator who was funded was unwitting,
which means he didn't know it was CIA money because
it was funneled through a front organization and so he
had no clearance. He just thought it was a grant
from a grant foundation. And those projects were just kind
of looking into things that the CIA thought might prove

(45:48):
to be interesting or might be useful operationally. And then
a third of the projects the investigator was cleared tot
top secret and it was clearly mind control experimentation.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Okay, this is terrifying when you describe her, and it
really is. It's because I've always taken this but a
grain of salt. I mean, there's so much when you
there's so much. If you went on YouTube right now,
you put in mk ult, you find ten thousand videos
with the most outlandish uh you know, stories and theories
and stuff like that. How much of that is that
should we concerned be concerned about that could be real

(46:25):
or is it?

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Uh? Well, it's okay to be concerned, but not okay
to be hysterical and you know, off the deep end
about it. And this is the problem with the Internet.
There's so much information disinformation right real news, fake news
on everything, let alone on CNN and ABC NBC. So
I think my recommendation is just to be sensible and critical.

(46:52):
And you're thinking, don't reject it all out of hand
and don't buy it. All about how to sift through
it and figure which parts are accurate or not just
a little tricky. But I would say, given what we
do know happened, it's perfectly possible a lot of really
outrageous stuff happened that we can't prove.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Right, And if anything, they would be doing ten times
more outrageous things now. If they have this program right
now where they're taking these immigrant kids and locking up
in these walmarts they're showing all day long on TV today.
If we've become so cold and caunless that we're doing
that right on the open right now, God only knows
what they're doing in private. It's not like they've gotten
more civilized. If anything, they've gotten less.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Right, So you agree totally, and you look at So
I was just at a conference last month actually on
sex trafficking, and the FBI, people who specialize in sex trafficking.
We're talking and like the budget or the revenue stream
from sex trafficking in the United States alone is at

(48:02):
least nine billion a year. I mean these are gigantic industries,
which is, of course there's like slave labor, sweatshop type
trafficking as well, but sex trafficking primarily children and adolescences
multi billion dollar industry, which means there's some very powerful,

(48:23):
big players involved, including organized crime, no doubt. And the
average age of traffic girls has gone down in the
last ten twenty years, so now the kids are getting
trafficked at younger and younger ages. The volume of business
is bigger and bigger and bigger. Therefore the procurement network

(48:44):
has to be bigger and bigger and bigger. Is a
gigantic problem. And so what I hear from patients I
can't document is that so these are patients are now
forty fifty sixty. They describe either their dad was in
the military, he was a military contractor, or they were

(49:05):
involved in some sort of special program with classes on
the base. There's some way that military slash CIA got
their hands on them, and then they were recruited into
these special programs. And one of the recruitment channels is
basically just like ja Ed Hoover had dirt on everybody
in a file. Right, So if it's the Cia. They

(49:28):
have dirt on the guy because he's a big shot
in a Satanic cult who's committed dozens or hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of crimes, and they therefore can put
the squeeze on him, and they say, well, we want
your kid. And the reason they want that kid is
that kid's already been horrendously abused and traumatized, already has

(49:50):
a well formed multiple personality, and then you can build
on it from there when you take them into the
mind control program. So that's the the story that I hear,
which I actually can't prove or disprove it.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Right, that's what you've learned from your experience. But in
studying the documents, you describe them using drugs, different drugs
to manipulate in mind control. But have you discovered in
those documents that they were using sexual abuse of children
in order to use to create mind control?

Speaker 3 (50:19):
None of that's in the documents.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
None of the documents. Do you suspect that?

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Oh yeah, definitely, Well why do I suspect that? So
what do we know? For a fact? We know that
there's photographs of Abu Grabe and less so from guntonmo Bay.
So one side comment, So this topic is mind control.
Right when you call it mind control, it's immediately set

(50:44):
up for Oh, it's science fiction. I don't believe in that.
It's not possible, it's not real. But enhanced interrogations are
just the current name for exactly the same thing. So
mind control has also been called brainwashing, course of persuasion, reform,
and now we call it enhanced interrogations. Nobody says enhanced

(51:06):
interrogation is not real. We all know they're real. The
debate is it going on? The debate is it torture?
Should we do it, shouldn't we do it? What's the yield?
And we never know because we never get access to
the classified information. But we do know that so called
enhanced interrogations include sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, mock killings where

(51:33):
you're going to be killed, then you're not prolonged hooting,
sitting in extremely uncomfortable postures that cause it a lot
of pain for hours on end, being wired up to
electrical generators or batteries and electrically shocked, having your religion
trashed and insulted in front of you, being sexually humiliated,

(51:57):
being forced to be naked to masturbate, yourself to masturbate
other nakedive princeners in front of female US female military members.
That's sexual humiliation right there. And then what happens is
this tries to get written off as a couple of
rogue people who just went off the reservation. It's clearly programmatic,

(52:20):
and Seemer Hersch actually wrote a couple articles giving the
code names for these programs that were operational at Abu Grab.
So the US government for a fact, has used sexual
intimidation sexual trauma deliberately and programmatically since the experience. That's

(52:43):
just again the tiny tip of the iceberg. So why
would I conclude that nothing else has ever happened in
MK ultra. There was a series of projects, mostly in
San Francisco, some of New York. So this is all
totally documented for real. When you read the documents for
those subprojects, they describe in great detail they set up

(53:06):
safe houses which they then decorated to be like a
Toulouse latrek nineteenth century brothel kind of place. They had
a one way mirror. They which is a guy named
George White, who used to be equivalent of a DEA agent,
was the lead contractor under these sub projects, and he

(53:27):
went out and procured prostitutes, hired them, paid them, train them,
had them go to bars, pick up guys at bars,
bring them back to the safe house, dose them with LSD,
have sex with them while the CIA personnel watched through
a one way mirror. This is objective fact, and so

(53:49):
the purpose of it, according to the documents, was to
see the benefit of LSD in a situation that mimicked
actual interrogation where somebody wasn't expecting to get LSD, didn't
know what was going on, what does it do to them?
So that by itself is amazing, and that's what's documented.

(54:12):
But the most interesting thing is in some of the
correspondence between the CIA officers about this. It was called
Operation Midnight Climax in one of the documents that says
creating a Jeckyll Hide personality is very difficult, and they're
talking about that particular subproject. So I believe just based

(54:35):
on that. Obviously I can't prove prove it, but I
would conclude that actually they were maybe studying the effects
of LSD on unsuspecting John's, but they were actually studying
the operational usefulness of prostitutes who they didn't randomly recruit
off the street who had they had been training in

(54:56):
mind control programs and had created venture and candidate protguts
dues and we're watching to see if they functioned. Well, oh, theory,
that's a theory.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
But it makes sense. It makes my perfect sense.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Right.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Oh boy, this is not a fun topic. Okay, let's
take a commercial break with doctor Colin Ross the Ross Institute.
Really disturbing content here. I would encourage you to check
out his website rossinst dot com, ro O s s
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He's got a bookstore in there, but at least a

(55:32):
good ten fifteen books. Check those out?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Hold on thirty thirty?

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Really, I see what I can't count? That's my problem. Okay,
I forgive you, okay, but you didn't write all those books, right,
Most of those are just the books you recommend.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Right, uh, by me?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
You wrote those books?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
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Speaker 4 (55:49):
Okay, that's thirty books, yeah, okay, God bless you man.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
It's a lot of it's a few by other people.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Okay, yeah, I thought I spotted a couple of by
other people. You know, that's why I assumed it. That's
that's credible body of work there my friend, so you
got to bookstore there at Colin Ross Institute. Check that out.
And he's got a webinar coming up. You want to
check this out when you listen to the show Traumaedessentials
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I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman. We're here today
with doctor Colin A. Ross from the Ross Institute, and
we're talking about trauma, mind control, satanic ritual abuse, some
MK ultra. Now, Doctor West, I'm so glad you brought
up Abu Grave because I don't think we talked about enough.
And many of the things that went on in Abu
Grave went on first in the Phoenix program in Southeast

(01:01:06):
Asia doing Vietnam War. And you mentioned that the CIA
started doing these experiments and studies around nineteen fifty. But
now where did they stumble upon this? Because when I've
heard stories, you see these little Internet stories and stuff
like that, that they found some catacombs in France with
murals on the wall describing trauma basedlind control. Have you

(01:01:29):
know anything about that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I'm trying to remember if I've heard that particular rumor.
I'm not I might have, but there's all these kind
of rumors out there. Where's the documentation? But it's an
excellent question. So they the CIA were not the originators
of this, even in US military history because a guy
named G. H Esterbrooks, who was actually born in Canada

(01:01:55):
but spent his whole career at Colgate University in Upstate
New York. He published a book on hypnotism in nineteen
forty three, and then published a paper in a journal
called Science Digest in nineteen seventy one, so spanning that
time period. He described in great detail on contract to

(01:02:17):
the War Department during the Second World War creating these
mentoring candidates he called them superspies and running them operationally
for the military. And I have a copy of many
of his papers and books, but also his War Department
contract and a document where he's pitching providing mentor and

(01:02:39):
candidates for the CIA in the early fifties, and I
have him connected up to many many at their doctors
who were doing this kind of research, and many of
them cleared a top secret as CIA military contractors. So
it's very well documented. It's a fact, not fiction that
these mentoring candidates were traditional going back to the Second

(01:03:01):
World War, which then raises the question how much before
that and next thing we know, we're probably in ancient
China or something.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Are you familiar with the correspondence between Freud and when
he talks about that he believes is organized the sexual
abuse of children. Yeah, I am aware of that, Okay,
how does that fit into this? What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Well, that's just a little bit of the cover gets
taken off of this once in a while throughout the
last one hundred and fifty years. So there's a book
that's called Dementia Precox, which is the old word name
for schizophrenia, Dementia Precox or the Group of Schizophrenias by

(01:03:44):
a Swiss psychiatrist named Ougen Bleoiler, published in nineteen eleven.
So he's the guy who invented the term schizophrenia, and
so dementia Precox switched over to being schizophrenia. And in
his book he describes, first of all, he described there
a whole lot of cases that are obviously dissociate identity disorder,
not schizophrenia, in great detail. But he also describes patients

(01:04:09):
saying that they grew up in organized abuse called basically
So there's little hints of this peaking out here and
there for a long time. I'll throw in a sort
of macabre but good but interesting kind of comic story
that illustrates this. So most of the people are just

(01:04:33):
kind of carrying on with their life and aren't concerned
with all this stuff, but it does poke out in
the media every once in a while, So like after
Hurricane Katrina, there was an actual Associated Press article that
I happened to see in the newspaper that the US
Navy was reassuring the population that there was no need

(01:04:55):
to be concerned. A pod of military dolphins had a
escape their enclosure and were out in the open ocean
as a result of Katrina, but they didn't pose a
threat to civilians, so they weren't denying that they had
a pod of militarized dolphins. So this was going on
in the twenty first century for sure. And if you

(01:05:15):
go back to the Bluebird Artichoke mk ultra documents, they're
describing implanting electrodes in the brains of cats, dogs, monkeys,
and also dolphins, and controlling the direction that the dolphin
would swim, and using the dolphin to deliver bombs to

(01:05:39):
enemy ships, which is the scenario from the movie The
Day of the Dolphins.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Sure, and I might have movie terrified me when I
was a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Yeah, but the mk ultradocuments described this being done in detail.
So you see it poke out in Hollywood movies like
the Born series and so on, you assume it's just
Hollywood fiction, right, but a place that it popped out
in the mainstream media was then this is on mainstream newspapers,

(01:06:09):
mainstream news programs, ABC, NBC, et cetera. So it's nineteen
seventy nine May and Jimmy Carter's running up for reelection
and he's going around giving talks everywhere, and on Cinco
de Mayo, nineteen seventy nine he's giving a talk. I

(01:06:30):
always forget if it was La or San Diego. I
think maybe with San Diego one or the other. And
there's a commotion in the crowd. It's like a public place,
and the Secret Service wrestles these two guys to the
ground who have starter pistols, and this is so, this
is the whole story, according to the Secret Service. And

(01:06:50):
these guys are taken away and they're interrogated, and at
first they assume they're just drunks with starter pistols, what
are they doing, But then they tell this story. They
didn't know each other prior to a night or two before.
And this guy with a Hispanic name which I always forget.
I think it's Raoul or Julio or something or other.

(01:07:13):
And you can google all this and find it quite easily.
So this third guy recruited the two of them and
they went up on a roof at a specified hotel
and practiced with the starter pistols the night before, and
it was all a setup for them to create a diversion,
and then he was going to kill Carter with his

(01:07:34):
rifle and so of course the police think ah, but
then they tell the police, well, this is the room
at this hotel that we're in, And the police go
to this room and according to the police, they recover
gun case shells and so on. So according to the police,

(01:07:57):
this actually happened. There was actually, you know, weaponry in
this hotel room, and the shooter guy never pulled the
trigger and just disappeared. Nobody knows where he went. So
that's a little bit interesting. But what were the names
of these two guys again, according to the mainstream media,

(01:08:18):
Raymond Lee Harvey and Oswaldo or.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Tees get out of here. How weird is that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
By random? So here's what we're supposed to believe in
the public, which is reported on mainstream media. By random chance.
Two guys whose names were Lee Harvey, Oswold and Raymond
Lee Harvey and Oswaldo or Tez happened to be in
this city that neither of them lived in at the
same time, happened to be recruited by this guy, and

(01:08:48):
their job was to take part in a presidential assassination.
Why would it be Raymond Lee Harvey? Why not John
Lee Harvey? Because Raymond Shaw is the mind controlled mentory
and candidate shooter in the book and movie of the
Mentor and Candidate. That's also a non random name. And

(01:09:10):
so this is reported in the mainstream media, and it's
reported that Carter then went back to Camp David and
said to a reporter, I've lost control of the government.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Wo.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
I've never heard that story at all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Yeah, so you just just googled Raymond Lee Harvey and Osvaldo.
Who are ties up? It comes and so what's the
attitude of the mainstream media? Huh, what a funny coincidence.
There's zero point zero possibility that those names were a coincidence.
It's clearly some kind of operation designed to intimidate Carter

(01:09:47):
and the messages. Clearly, you know what happened to the
politician in the Mentor and Candidate movie when somebody sent
a mentor and candidate shooter after him?

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Watch out how did that associate in time with the
Squeaky From assassination attempt, because she's another type of mind
control type as well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
It's in the same Squeaky From would have been a
little bit earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Right earlier, in nineteen seventy nine, I don't know, I
don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
It would be within a decade before that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
What do you make of the allegations that the Sir
hanster Hand was mind controlled?

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
There's a chapter about him in my CIA Doctor's book.
The most interesting thing about him has nothing to do
with his mental state at all. But he is still
in prison. They're still trying to work on maybe an
appeal process or something. But he still says that he
has amnesia for the shooting, So he could be using

(01:10:46):
that as some sort of defense and could be lying,
But why would he keep lying thirty forty fifty years later?
So that's first interesting thing. But really the most interesting
about that case is now this is according to there's
a book RFK Must Die, which is very well researched,
and there's photographs of the medical examiner for the county

(01:11:10):
in LA that the hotel was in where Kennedy was shot,
and he's measuring entry wounds in the walls and door jams.
And when this is the medical examiner counted up the
number of entry holes in people's body Kennedy and surrounding
people and the walls and the door jams, it was

(01:11:32):
more than the number of chambers in sir Han's gun.
And his finding was, which is not disputed. His finding
was that the fatal wound was from a couple of
inches behind and the bullet it are just behind his ear,
and there's powder burns and so on. And obviously everybody

(01:11:53):
knows that it's an absolute fact that Sir Hans Sirhan
was a number of feet in front of Robert Kennedy
when he fired his shots and when he was wrestled
to the ground. So there's zero possibility, zero point zero,
that he was the only shooter, and zero possibility based
on physical evidence, that he fired the fatal shot. So

(01:12:17):
what happened to all that information and what happened to
the physical evidence in one of the most important murder
cases in the twentieth century? The Los Angeles Police Department
destroyed all the physical evidence in the case. Nine months later.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Yeah, and then they also demolished the hotel too. Just
just recently in the past ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Right, So I mean that doesn't add up. And so
I would say it's distinctly possible that Sir Hans Orhan
had a handler, was controlled, was in an amnesic state,
and was either a diversion or one of two shooters.
But I don't know that for a fact either. I

(01:12:57):
can't prove it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
Yeah, I have a skin of a I n S
report Hunster Hanster Handwich describes that he was attending drug
and sex parties at Sharon Tates house.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Oh, no, way, I don't have I didn't see that before.
I know he was a studying rose rekrusion self hypnosis,
not much I know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
And what about that whole story too. He used to
go to a card game and the guy who ran
the card game was into hypnosis and the mind control stuff.
Have you heard that?

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Not the card game part of it, No, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Okay, then, but you heard that he was on the
influence of someone who was a mind control type of
hypnosis kind of guy, right right, And that's the rosicrusion connection.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Uh No, it's that he was studying a sort of
a meditation, self hypnosis, self help techniques from the rose
re crusions. But there's another guy, a Bernard Diamond who's
probably was his handler, but that's not proven either, who
is a known, proven hypnosis expert. But I never heard.
This is the first time I've heard about a dres

(01:14:00):
clink between Sir Hans or Hana Sharon Tate. If that's true, again,
there's zero possibility that's a coincidence.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Yeah, right now. Now, how do you feel about hypnosis?
Like people getting hypnosis to quit smoking or to quit drinking,
or for more motivation in life and stuff like that.
You encourage that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
There's a huge hypnosis literature, and I don't personally use hypnosis.
We don't use it actively in my hospital based programs
for several different reasons. But there's a giant literature on hypnosis,
and it's clearly a real thing. And people can clearly
stick their hand in an ice bucket. So about It

(01:14:41):
depends where you put your cutoff score. But five to
ten percent of people are highly hypnotizable. They can enter
a trance state, they can block out physical pain. You
can give them post hypnotic suggestions to do stuff. They
don't remember the suggestion, but they do whatever you told
them to do. This is all undisputed and proven. And
people can put their hand in an ice bucket, which

(01:15:04):
is very very painful, in a short period of time,
and keep it there for prolonged periods. So these are
just subjective facts. And I remember in medical school watching
a video of a woman having her gallbladder out. She's
perfectly calm or relaxed. Pulse is normal, blood pressure is normal,
not feeling any pain. So you can't fake it that

(01:15:26):
your pulse is normal. And an average person can't be
sitting there calm and relaxed with a normal pulse and
blood pressure. So it's a real thing. It's not like
you can cure everything with it, but for some people
it's helpful for all kinds of different things.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Yeah, myself, I'll use some self hypnosis YouTube videos to
stop procrastinating, you know, and things like that. And would
you recommend that you want to discover I'll get some
free medical advice when I got you on this ship.
Do you recommend I do that? I should I stop?

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
The good thing about it is it doesn't cost mind
and it's not going to cause much harm. Right, yeah,
So if it's helpful.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Great, Okay, good, Okay, I think it's been helping. Now,
what do you make of the Catcher in the Rye?
You have these assassins and John Chapman and Hankley, what
do you make of that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Well, so I've read the Catcher of the Rye and
I know that that's tied into the mind control story,
and I know the Mel Gibsons movie Conspiracy Theory draws
on that quite a bit. There's a catch because he
goes to, I'll just outline the movie. So Mel Gibson
is this kind of kooky guy who has a conspiracy

(01:16:37):
theory magazine that he publishes that has only seven subscribers,
and he's got all kinds of goofy conspiracy theories. And
then all of a sudden, military people are dropping, repelling
down out of helicopters and coming after him, and he's
got his place booby trapped, and he gets out and
then he's kind of on the run and then he
bumps into Julia Roberts and he Teaman so clearly there

(01:17:03):
after him because as he says, I don't know which
one of my stories is true, but it's got to
be one of them, right, And he ends up It
looks like post hypnotic suggestion kind of thing he kind
of without knowing why, goes to the bookstore and buys
a copy of The Catcher and the Rye, and the
Catcher and the Rye is tied into the guy who

(01:17:24):
shot John Lennon Chapman because he compulsively bought The Catcher
and the Rye and was interested in it. So there's
then a surrounding mythology that's not documented that Catcher and
the Rye is part of some kind of mind control program,
not the book itself, but it's used for that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
And did you come to a conclusion on it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
The same conclusion all the time, maybe, but I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Okay, Now we know about the experimenting with drugs and
sexual abuse, and what about electro matt you know, electric
low frequencies. Hear these stories any did that come up
in your studies?

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Yeah? So those are in the general hitting of non
lethal weapons, right, So non sound energy or electromagnetic energy

(01:19:14):
to knock animals out change their behavior. And what the
weapons do is they either make you upset, agitated, nervous, uncomfortable, nauseous, confused,
or knock you out. And the idea is then you
can take over an area without having to kill all
the civilians. So the rationale for using them militarily is

(01:19:37):
actually quite sensible. But what I hear from people all
time emails and so on is who call themselves targeted individuals,
that they're victims of electronic weapon harassment by them, and
them is nebulous. Sometimes military, sometimes CIA, sometimes corporations whove

(01:20:03):
got it in for them, And the idea is that
it's part of a massive control of population program and
it's also just experimentation. So that sounds pretty crazy, but
what do we know for a fact. So my net
position is my recommendation to psychiatrists would be, don't just

(01:20:25):
conclude with one hundred percent certainty that one hundred percent
of this is delusional, because the weapons do exist. And
in these documents there's lots of documentation of testing hypnosis LSD,
biological weapons, chemical weapons radiation on unwitting civilians who never
gave consent and didn't know what was going on, and

(01:20:47):
includes things like so in Clinton set up a whole
investigation into biological chemical radiation weapons which had a bit
of mind control pad into it. And the official report,
so this is the official government White House signed off
on report described William Sweet was a neurosurgeon at Harvard

(01:21:11):
who's part of a whole network of doctors who were
implanting electrodes in people's brains to see if they could
control their behavior using a remote transmitter, all in books,
all in professional papers, all real, and this William Sweet
guy said, well, we never injected plutonium into anybody without
their consent. No, my god, there, But he also describes

(01:21:36):
subjects HP twelve, So HP charmingly stands for human product.
So human product twelve was injected with plutonium at one
of the Massachusetts System hospitals, but died before he regained consciousness.

(01:21:56):
So this is according to William Sweet, he's saying, simultaneously,
everybody gave informed consent, and we injected this guy who
was unconscious in the er, who died without waking up.
And the government has commensated victims of being injected with
plutonium without their knowledge. So if that's what we know
has happened for sure, why would we then testing bacteria

(01:22:20):
viruses on all kinds of populations. If we know for
sure that's happened, why would we go Oh, they'd never
test non lethal weapons on civilians. It's not a logical conclusion, right, Yeah, especially,
but then we can't conclude that every single targeted individual
is telling a true story. But then you can't prove it,

(01:22:42):
you can't disprove it, And there it sits.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
What do you make as something like florid in the water?
Is there any other excuse for putting florid in the
water if it's not for population control?

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Yeah, it's to prevent erosion of your enamel and toothacay,
that's what the dental profession says. Yeah, And there's whole
literatures that supposedly, you know, backs that up, so which
I'm not in dentist and I haven't read that literature,
and I don't really know, you know, what the data show,
But there's a lot of in this whole conspiracy realm,

(01:23:16):
there's a lot of they're trying to control the population.
They wanted to get it down to you know, seven
hundred million people. The earth is overpopulated. The only thing
that counters that is yeah, but why would all these
multi billionaire controller people want to reduce the size of
the market and the labor force doesn't quite make sense.

(01:23:39):
And if you're gonna wipe out the population fluorides, how
we're going to do it? Doesn't really seem like a
sensible plan either.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Well, maybe not wipe out the population, but make us
more docile and manipulative and manipulable.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
That would be okay.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Let's take a commercial break here. This is a depressing topic.
You know, this really is. How do you You must have
a real strong, strong character man to be studying this
stuff and dealing with all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
It's just a to me, it's yeah, But what I
do make a point of doing is having a life
outside of all of this, right, that's number one thing.

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Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Okay, welcome back to the Opperman Report. I'm your host
prov investigator at Opperman. We're here today with doctor Colin A.
Ross from the Ross Institute. We're talking mainly about his
book Cia Doctors, but all over the place, doctor Ross,
and knowing what you know, if you add access to
the drugs and hypnosis and all the equipment that they have,
do you believe that you could successfully create a Manchurian candidate?

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Oh? Yeah, definitely, no question because others have done it before.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
But the interesting little side note on the Mentoring Candidate.
So the Venturing Candidate book and movie were the fifties
early sixties, and Frank Sinatra was the kind of hero
in the Mentoring Candidate movie who was foiling the mind
controlled shooter and the reason he was called the Manchurian

(01:29:59):
candidate was because he and Frank Sinatra were gis in
the Korean War and they were passing through Manchuria and
they got captured and mind controlled and brainwashed by communist
Chinese guys. And then the woman on the US side
of things, his mother was his handler, and the whole

(01:30:23):
dramatic movie about that. But the interesting thing is in
the Bluebird Nartochoke documents, there's a memo from one CIA
officer to another CI officer a number of years before
the book was published, and the one officer saying he's
concerned about information he's been getting. The group of American

(01:30:44):
gis were passing through a zone in Manchuria, were captured, brainwashed,
and have amnesia for the period of brainwashing. So the
whole plot specifically in Manchuria was already known to CIA
officers before the book was published. That's kind of strange.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
And do you think that why would they let it out?

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
Why would they let them do a movie like that
if it was based on reality.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Well, it could be somebody told somebody, and then somebody
told their girlfriend, and somebody told somebody else, and then
Richard Connon decided that'd be a cool book. I don't
know how it got out, right, but we know, like,
how does Washington operate all the time? There's always stuff
being leaked, right, right, I mean that's just the way
it operates. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
I live here in Las Vegas, right and October first,
we had that shooting over there at the Manliby on
the Strip, and the whole town was in trauma, uh
for days and days and probably even weeks, no doubt.
Yeah it was you know, you're up all night and
the cops said, well, the highways shut down. You know,
it could not you could not avoid having it affect
your life, now, right do you think that? And I

(01:31:54):
noticed how it affected some people, even people far away
were like became obsessed with it, and they're sending me
YouTube video and they're obsessively watching these videos over and
over again. Listen to the shooters and counting bullets and
just od behavior. Now do you believe when something like
that happens the government takes advantage of it and uses
it to control the population of some manipulators?

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Well again maybe, but I don't know, is the basic answer.
So we know there's a huge propaganda machine in every
government in the world, right, not just in Russia and China,
that's without doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Okay, good, yeah, yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Lost the connection for a bit there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
I we didn't lose you one bit. I heard every
word you said, so.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Yeah, okay, I lost you so exactly. Like I'm just
a civilian guy, right, I don't know what's going on
behind the scenes and how many levels and layers and
how big a program it all is, but I know
for sure there's a huge propaganda machine.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
And do you think that they would let an opportunity
like that slip by and not be able to use it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
I honestly don't know. I Mean, one reason I don't
like this stuff is I don't want to have to
think all these thoughts and think this about the government,
and that's the way the world operates. But nevertheless, there's
all this evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
And how most your study is is the government and
these organized satanic groups. What about industry doing any evidence
of industry of manipulating us, using mind control and hypnotizing
us and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Yes and no, so at the common sense level, industry
motivates is manipulating us and trying to control our minds
through advertising on TV every day? Right, And they wouldn't
do it if it doesn't work, And so industry trying
to manipulate, control, influence people's behaviors, obviously true, and teenage

(01:34:01):
boys in high school are trying to manipulate and control
and influence teenage girls behaviors. Right, So the whole human
race operates that way. The question becomes, as in subliminal
advertising and all these other things, exactly to what lengths
do they go and how extreme is it and what
technology are they using to which I don't have the answer,

(01:34:27):
But obviously we know the corporations are trying to influence
people's behavior. That's what sales is all about.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
And it would be hard to believe that they wouldn't
be taking advantage of this kind of research and information.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Right. So what we do know for a fact is
that back in the mkulture area, so contracted investigators were
at places like car if we include the CI and
the military mind control experimentation, these guys cleared a top
secret We're at Harvard, UCLA, A, Yale to Lane, on

(01:35:03):
and on and on, major centers, and they were m
culture clear to top secret. Contractors included the American Psychological Association,
editors of major psychiatric journals, editors of major textbooks, and
there's a whole network at these guys. So it was systemic,
organized and built into the power structure of psychiatry for

(01:35:27):
a fact, beyond a shadow of a doubt. And a
lot of these experiments were highly harmful, highly unethical, no
informed consent, no follow up. So that's a lot of
bad behavior by a lot of psychiatrists that we know
for a fact. So then what happened that we don't

(01:35:50):
know about.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
And you're saying this was at the highest levels of the.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Profession, Yeah, definitely for a fact.

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
So then should we trust that profession at all?

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Well, I don't. I'm very critical. So I'm a psychiatrist.
I'm very critical of psychiatry in its current form setting
aside all this mind control stuff, just the basic way
psychiatry operates, where it invests its money, the kind of
research it backs, how effective medications are versus how harmful
they are. I'm very critical of all that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
Yeah, you wrote a book, The Great Psychiatry Scam. So
the average person you would not recommend they visit a psychiatrist.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
That's a tough one. Yes and no. So it's not
like all psychiatrists or evil and they're all totally useless.
So there are good people in psychiatry, but the general
model that's controlling academic psychiatry I just think is way
off base and off track. And there's too many psychiatrists
who just see people for ten minutes and prescribe meds

(01:36:53):
and see them again six weeks later. It's just not
a good practice. And the profession is dropped psychotherapy to
a big degree in the last fifty years, which I
don't like either. So I have all kinds of beasts
of psychiatry. Plus it's a funny satirical book, and it
was fun to write. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
I've had some good experiences years ago with very good,
caring psychiatrists, but more recently, like an our custody situation
with my daughter, At every contact we've had in any
kind of therapist or evaluator here in Nevada, it has
been a nightmare, you know, with their motivations are clear
financial gain.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
You know, Hey, yeah, you're not going to debate that
point with you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Yeah, you wrote another book too, about and very corrupt
to very extremely corrupt, the most crupt people have ever met.
How could you take money to rip kids away from
their parents? It's just the most the lowest form of
a crime out there. You wrote another book about Trump,
a satirical book. Can you want to talk about that forbid?

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Yeah, that book's called The So I have a lot
of interest, and I write poetry and written short story
and like I said, I have a life outside all
of this, which keeps me at least somewhat sane. So
the book's called The Trump Card, and a psychiatrist analyzes
reactions to Donald Trump. So it's not actually about Trump,

(01:38:17):
it's about everybody's reactions to Trump. And the reason it's
called the Trump Card is the device is there's the
Rorshack ink blot test that people use where you look
at those ink plots and you tell the psychologists what
you see and then he uses that analyze or subconscious mind, supposedly,
And so I say, well, I've added a new card

(01:38:39):
to the Rorshack ink blot test, the Trump Card, and
I'm looking at what everybody projects onto the Trump card.
And then it's basically a satirical critique of the extreme
left wing, the extreme right wing, all the polarization, the
dumbing down of America, et cetera. And I think it's
a it's a good analysis and it's pretty funny too, and.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
That is true. People have reaction to them no matter what,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, good time.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Now do you think they know? You think that's by design,
that the country's being divided by design.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
That's a big puzzle too, is it how much is
it by design? And how much is it controlled? And
how much is it just out of control historical drift.
But the United States of America is not a healthy
culture by any means. If you just look at like,
we have sixty thousand opiate deaths per year, we have

(01:39:39):
twenty twenty five thousand gun suicides and homicides. Then we
have twenty thousand drunk driver vehicular deaths. So we're pushing
narcotic overdoses, gun suicides, gun murders, and drunk driver vehicular homicides.
We're pushing one hundred thousand people per year, and that

(01:40:04):
by itself is the indicator of US culture seriously in trouble.
The levels of anger violence. Setting aside the whole gun debate,
there's the amount of anger violence, polarization, people trash talking
each other, attacking each other. Oh yoh yo.

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
It's interesting too that the three major problems to talk
about OPI deaths from driving and gun deaths. We try
and legislate them through and putting people in jail to
solve these problems, you know, we tried to incarcerate, try
to treat through incarceration.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
We have more people in jail per capita than any
other country in the world. So that's a huge industry
with a lot of productit motive built into it. There
was just a a kid I was reading about on
I guess it was Yahoo News or something. I can't remember.
I think it's Kim Kardashian, I can't remember. Some celebrity,

(01:40:58):
maybe one of the singers, is taken up this case
and is talking about it in public. So there's a
woman now who got a life sentence no parole for
the first fifty one years, for shooting the pimp who
is sex trafficking or her sex trafficking her when she

(01:41:22):
was sixteen years old in the state of Tennessee. She's
so she's a miner, and she's given a life sentence
basically for murdering her pimp. And so this has been
now taken up as a cause by some celebrities. I agree,
it's totally outrageous. Why would we put that girl away
for I mean, you can't just walk around killing people

(01:41:44):
with no consequences, but fifty one years for a miner
who shot her pimp point being. In the article it
says there's actually twenty three hundred people in prison in
Tennessee for life based on crimes they committed as minors.
But this doesn't happen in other countries.

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
Yeah, it's just tragic, you know, And it seems like
our leadership is so corrupt you couldn't give less of
a damn about the betterment of society in any way.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
That's how it's it's hard not to see politicians that way,
that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
Yeah. Now have you interesting you mentioned the prison system.
Have you run across any of these experiments being done
on prisoners as well?

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Not current day, but yeah, MK search there's a subproject
there which so you mentioned about Scharan Tate. So there's
a whole web there, Sharon Tate, Charles Manson, Jim Jones,
the Satanic Church, Anton Levy. There's all kinds of these

(01:42:59):
nebulous connections between all these people, and it just spends
which little set of connections you follow in which directions.
So one of the survivors of the so called mass suicide,
which I think was mostly people getting murdered, but some
people did drink the kool aid and die. So that's

(01:43:21):
in South America. Jim Jones is the head of the
People's Temple, and just illustrate how these things sort of
tie together, but it's hard to tie it all down.
So Jim Jones had the People's Temple in Yukaya, California,
and he decided that he was going to move to

(01:43:43):
South America. So here's this guy's got like a small
cult and mostly kind of poor, not so literate black
people and lower working class white people and so on,
and all of a sudden, Okay, we're going to move
to South America because it's not safe here. How does
he choose a location in the middle of the jungle

(01:44:04):
in South America? Will lo and behold? His advanced scout
person was a British intelligence contractor arms dealer guy, and
the site was a former training base of the Green Berets.
So there's already buildings there, there's an airstrip, there's everything.

(01:44:24):
So Jim Jones somehow got himself connected up with whoever
was in charge of this no longer used military training site,
so that's not random coincidence. And then there's a whole
it just goes on and on. I could tied into
this and tied into that, but it's this network of

(01:44:44):
facts that can't be coincidence. But you can't exactly totally
prove what's going on all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
In your research, did you run across a cult called
the Processed Church of the Final Judgment?

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
So my dad got transferred to England and the sixties,
which was amazing from Winnipeg, Canada, which is kind of
a poky place. Nineteen sixty six, all of a sudden,
I'm in London, you know, the Beatles and the Rolling Stones.
And I actually lived next door to Mick Jagger by
random coincidence, and I actually talked to him a few times,
which is pretty amazing when you're the sixteen year old

(01:45:20):
Canadian kid. And I actually got approached on the street
by a pretty nice looking young female recruiter for the
Processed Church, but didn't attend any of their meetings or anything.
But yeah, so I've been aware of them since the sixties,
and they're tied in nebulously to Anton Levey and this,
that and the other.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
And Manson and the ns right. And it seems too
that there's always this that they're trying to cause racial division,
you know, like there was a there but behind the
sun of Sam murders and the Manson murders, that they
wanted to cause chaos and division. Does that come upm
culture that that's their motivation.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
You can't see that in the documents. There's a very
good book published fairly recently about so it's all again
sort of nebously connected in together. But there's the Simbinese
Liberation Army. That guy was Donald da fries and they
captured Patty Hurst and they held her for forty two days,

(01:46:28):
had her locked in a closet, sensory deprivation, sensory isolation,
food deprivation, mock killings and attacks of her, pretending the
FBI was rating pointing guns at her. And then she
ends up with an alias Tanya helping them in a
bank robbery. So here's this Donald Friese guy who's a

(01:46:52):
basically low level street criminal guy who somehow is using
exactly all of the mind control technology that was developed
in MK ultra and that's used at Abu Grabe and
at Guantanamo Bay and Lo and behold this guy called
Colston Westbrook who was a psychological warfare expert for the

(01:47:14):
army during the Vietnam War, which puts him in the
same world as the Phoenix program. And I have a
copy of Colston Westbrook's ma A thesis from the University
of Berkeley, and I have his social security numbers, birth
date and everything. He created the Black Cultural Association and
came into Vacaville State Prison under cover of the Black

(01:47:37):
Cultural Association, worked directly with Donald d. Friese, gave him
his code name as Sinkew, and designed the seven headed
cobra logo of the Simbainese Liberation Army.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Which is Kwanza too. Those are all the peace of
Quansa in here.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
And also Vacaville State Prison was the site of MK
search mind control experimentation with an amphetament drug. And I
have a letter from the Deputy director of the CIA
to Leo Ryan, who is killed at the airport in Jonestown,

(01:48:17):
confirming that the CIO was experimenting in the same time
period online control in Vacaville State Prison. And so all
these things are non randomly tied together. And then Donald
de fries just walks out of the prison, like it
just goes out a door and leaves and sets up

(01:48:38):
the Symbainese Liberation Army captures Patty Hurst. One of the
survivors at Jonestown said that when the People's Temple was
in Yucaia, California, Stephen Weed, whose Patty Hurst's boyfriend, was
on site with Jim Jones walking around and the People's

(01:48:59):
Temple site in Yukaya, California. Really so all the things
they just can't be coincidences. Well, are you both tied
together somehow?

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
Are you familiar with the research that shows that Patty
Hurst was dating the free she was part of that program,
she was part of a reading program in that prison.
You're familiar with it?

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
Yeah, so yeah, Like all of it seems like all
of this. What about the book The Day ba Gowan's
weird scenes inside the Canyon? Have I looked into that?

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
I don't know that one, Okay. And what about Laurel Canyon, Yeah,
Laurel Canyon. Yeah, yeah, So I'm aware of this whole
other dimension of Hollywood music industry, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, And how that all ties in I know
a little bit about that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:42):
Okay, I was gonna see something elseide for that. Now, Well,
we're running out of time anyway. What do you want
to leave us with?

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Have a nice day to enjoy the sunshine. Yeah, so
how do I cleanse my mind? Well, so I'm sixty seven,
sixty eight next month, and I went for in Texas,
which is pretty darn warm. Went for a six mile
run this morning. So you have a life. Be concerned
with your mental health, your physical health, healthy relationships, a

(01:50:18):
bunch of other interests, and don't get too absorbed and
obsessed with all this stuff. Known what I've been saying
all along, Keep an open mind, don't dismiss it out
of hand, don't buy every detail, and be an intelligent
skeptical about everything in life. What you hear in the media,
what you don't hear in the media. And there's definitely,

(01:50:42):
for sure, a whole bunch of outrageous stuff going on
behind the scenes. There has to be. When you look
at the amount of money that's in the drug trade,
sex trafficking, child pornography. That's big, big, big business, and
there's got to be big powerful people have their hands
and all that. There's no other possibility and what else

(01:51:04):
they're doing in the background. June knows.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
Doctor Colin A. Ross, the Ross Institute, Thank you so much, man,
this is a really fascinating, fascinating topic today and check
out Trauma ed Essentials dot com. You can catch you
out in the middle of June every year. Every month.
June sixteenth is the next one, doctor Ross. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Yeah, thanks very much for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
Good questions, No great, do you get anversation, wealth of information.
I gotta tell you, I'm really really impressed. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Thanks good.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
Okay, buddy, the guy knows a little bit about everything.
That's what I like. You know, I got to look
into his work a little bit more. I've got to
ask him that poppy you know you don't I'll tell
you those story. I'm going to do an after show
about this. I do these commentaries now at Oppermandreport dot
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story about why I was gonna book this guy in
the first place, and then how we found him. But great, great, great,

(01:51:57):
great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
So that was.

Speaker 4 (01:51:59):
Doctor Colin A. Ross. The website, and you gotta check
out the website's list up there is rossinst dot com,
r O S S I N S T dot com
bookstore in there thirty books, Like you just said. Some
people think it's only fifteen books, but it's thirty books,
and you can there's a search thing and you can

(01:52:19):
search all about this kind of stuff if you're fascinated
by this kind stuff, and I know a lot of
my listeners are. This is going to be a good
resource for you guys to check out. Especially people want
to check out his Trauma ed Essentials dot com. June
sixteenth is the next one, so we'll be right back
after these messages. I'll give a little wrap up, but
check out too in the members section. I'm going to

(01:52:40):
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