April 16, 2025 • 56 mins
Jess and Seth complete their NFL draft preview with the final three positions they have not covered — quarterback, tight end and running back. All three positions are perhaps the lowest priority for the Cardinals in the draft this year.
They go over the names to know and debate some of the top prospects the Cardinals won't even have a shot at drafting.
But before that, they discuss the retirement of Patrick Peterson and what it meant for the organization.
Enjoy the show!
They go over the names to know and debate some of the top prospects the Cardinals won't even have a shot at drafting.
But before that, they discuss the retirement of Patrick Peterson and what it meant for the organization.
Enjoy the show!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is the Rise Up Sea Red podcast, all about
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Now Here are your hosts, Jess Root and Seth Cox.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hello, where's the Cardinals fans? And welcome to the latest
edition of the Rise Up s Here podcast, the best
oar of Cardinals stock on the Web. I'm your host
Jess Root for cardswire dot com, the USA Today NFL
wire site that covers your ears on the Cardinals with
my co host. Recording on a Tuesday afternoon. This is't
Seth Cox from Revenge of the Birds dot Com, recording
Episode six and fifty five. This is the last of
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our preview shows for the NFL Draft. We do have
two more shows coming up before the actual draft, as
we will talk seven round plans and ideal fits for
the Cardinals come later this week and the next week
will be our yearly mock draft that I think we're
what might be our tenth one. Maybe I think it's
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a tenth year that we've done it to some extent,
but today we have the last three positions to talk about.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Quarterback running back and tight end.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Though we're not really gonna there's not much to talk
about in terms of the Cardinals, but we did, Seth
have an interesting thing occur, and that is the return
of Pat Yesterday on Monday, it was basically Patrick Peterson Day,
where the Cardinal that Peterson came back. He retired a
member of the Cardinals, and it was I guess what
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it's trying to do, erase the final couple of years
and remember how great he was. I don't know how
you feel about it, Seth, but for me, the end
made it hard to remember how absolutely fantastic he was.
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And I you know this was good for the organization
to do.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I think yeah, And I mean it's one of those
things that this is something an organization like the Cardinals
has to do. And I know people don't want to
hear that, but the Cardinals don't have enough history of
talented all pro level players to shun one right. And
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there's been a lot of a lot of negativity over
the last several years from they're all pro players. Think
about this. I mean Patrick Peterson left on bad terms,
tyard Matthew left on bad terms. Those things you know
occurring and happening the way they did, whether or not
deserved or undeserved, you know, it's not doesn't really matter,
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and you and I can talk about it. I mean,
the reality became that the taste left in the mouth
came from much of what Patrick Peterson did. It was
it wasn't really a lot of what the Arizona Cardinals
did or didn't do. It was a lot of what
Patrick Peterson did. I mean, starting obviously with the ped suspension.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You could even go back just a little bit before
that as well, because it was in twenty eighteen he
did the trade request, then he was suspended, and then
I guess the he did publicly criticize Kyler Murray on
his podcast when he was a member of the Vikings
and did say some like this wasn't so much about
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the organization as it was about Steve Kyin, because when
he left, he was never told like he was never told, hey,
we're moving on. And I always felt that his issue,
like his being unhappy with how things ended, was less
about the organization and more about that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Particular situation is Steve Kyin.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Because I've always had the I've always gotten the feeling
that he's always been fairly close to Michael Bidwill.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, and I mean the reality became, you know, when
they didn't do him a solid and pay him his bonus,
right like, that was the big thing.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And by by league rules they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They couldn't have done it because they they if they
they would have had to have given him a contract
extension to be able to do that, which he was
upset because they didn't, if you recall, convert some of
his salary into a bonus before the suspension went in,
so that he was getting still getting the bulk of
his money because when he was suspended those six games,
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it was without pay. And if they'd have paid him
a bonus in the off season, like restructuring his contract,
if they paid him up front, then it would have
been you know, a much smaller salary that he was
missing out on. But then again, the I believe league
rules prohibited doing such a move.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I guess he could get away with it if they if.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
They had renegotiated a contract out of a year or
something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
But at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Day, that that is that suspension is the one thing
that kind of is a really bad mark on his
career because it wasn't just that he tested positive for PDEs.
It was that at that time, six games meant you
got tested.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You you you got popped, and and got got trying
to cover it up with the masking agent. And well
he never addressed that.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
No, he never, he never well and he never apologized.
He basically said, oh, it's because I have the diabetes.
Like that was that was basically his And and think
about this dress more than anything else. And and you
and I have had our qualms about Pro Bowls and whatnot,
but that was the only reason his consecutive streak of
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Pro Bowls ended, because he was ineligible to make another
Pro Bowl because he missed those games. And so you know,
it tainted a legacy that had been grown. I mean,
think about this just he was the first defensive back
in NFL history to make eight straight Pro Bowls, and
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instead of playing for his ninth and to continue and
set these astronomical records, he hits popped for PEDS. And
and you look back and then that fair or not
is doesn't matter. It makes you immediately go was that
his whole career was he on because then the falloff
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post ped suspension was stark. And you know, and so
that's the hard part of the whole situation is you
have a guy who for eight seasons played every game,
was another worldly level player, three time you know, three
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time All Pro, two time All Pro at corner, an
eight time Pro Bowl player, did everything he wanted for
a guy drafted fifth overall and what was considered by
many at the time and might still be the greatest
draft we've ever seen. And that's the ending, you know,
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and you think about it, he's he's tied with von
Miller and Richard Sherman from that draft for the third
or sorry for the fourth most All pros. I mean,
Jason Kelsey was first. He's going to be a Hall
of Famer. JJ Watt was second, He's going to be
a Hall of Famer. Cameron Hayward is thirty s four
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All Pros. That's going to be one to watch. But
then von Miller's tied there, and von Miller has that too, right,
we got popped and everything like that, But one hundred
and thirty seven in his career is going to be
hard to keep him out of the Hall of Fame.
And then obviously Richard Sherman, who's long since retired, So
like he was one of the best players of a
generation from that from an elite draft and he was
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an Arizona Cardinal. And it's rare that that happens, especially
for the Cardinals, right Like, typically they're the ones with
the Alden Smith or the Ja Clocker or the Christian
Ponder or the Nick Fairley, right like, they're not the ones.
They're not the ones getting the Patrick Peterson. So so
it's just it's you know, disappointing in the sense that
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that's how it ended. But at the other side of
it too, I mean, you have to look back and
admire the first eight years of what you got because
he lived up to every expectation that could have been
thrown at him.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, and how bad a look would it be if
this Hall of Fame and you know, maybe the end
we have to remember.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
These are some of.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
The things and Mark Dalton, our guy over the Cardinals,
share this. This are some stats about Patrick Peterson the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. Only four cornerbacks in NFL
history have been named to seven straight Pro Bowls, two
of them in the Hall of Fame, the Champ Bailey
who went to eight as a cornerback, and Willie Brown
seventh Street. The other two were Patrick Peterson, who has
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eight Pro Bowls, but seven of them as a cornerback,
and Jalen Ramsey seventh straight. Those two are probably head
of the to the Hall of Fame. And I think
what happens is that maybe Peterson was always arguably a
top three cornerback during during those first eight years and
then and we talked about this in the last two
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years after he came back from the suspension in twenty
nineteen and then he played in twenty twenty, the floor dropped,
is what it was. His ceiling was still like when
he was on he was as good as any cornerback
we've seen, and so his good games were as good
as ever. But what happened, like the first eight years
of his career, there weren't like his floor was.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
So high to begin with.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It's just as as he hit as he hit year
nine to ten, especially after the suspension, all that time off,
and then in twenty twenty, the floor lowered, and his
bad his his worst play was notably below average. He
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still played, he like, his highs were still as good
as anybody, but the floor dropped. And honestly, when you
have a Hall of fame caliber player in Patrick Peterson,
who was a decade with the team. You have no
choice as an organization than to make things right other than.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It looks other than it would just look terribly bad.
He because.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
There was nothing in those first eight in those first
eight seasons that you could be unhappy about based on
play on the field, his play at his more hit,
what he did in the locker room, what he did
in the community.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
He is.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Honestly a really kind and just very good person.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Like he's family oriented, he loves his wife, he loves
his kids. He is as great a representative for your
organization you want.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Was he was.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
He full of himself one hundred percent, but he also
backed it up, and so it's good you have to
as an organization clear that up.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's very good to see.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Him want to come back and and do what Adrian
Wilson did and to kind of put himself in there.
And honestly, yes, he had that. You know, he had
the years that he had, the time with the Vikings,
the time with the Steelers, and he played pretty well
with it. He was and he wasn't bad in Minnesota
by any means. But this is this is how it
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was meant to be. He's gonna be a longtime part
of part of the organization, and quietly, like he said,
he wants to be in media or he wants to
roll with the organization to help the Cardinals win a championship.
Nikki sneaky, I I kind of think he might have
might have the inside track to be their new radio
(12:26):
color guy. The way some of the comments that he
made yesterday, he wants to be in media, it sounds
he wants to be in television particularly, but he also
wants to be with the Cardinals. And guess what job
is open right now or since Ron Wolfley retired.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
So it'll be interesting to see how it all works out,
because you know, it's a it's a it's gonna be
just interesting to see how this goes, because you know,
if they're going to act like basically all that stuff
never happened, and it's it's you know, it can be
like a marriage or a relationship, right where nobody really
addresses anything and you just hope that it doesn't come
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back up eventually.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Right, Okay, Right, that's fantastic. But let's let's move on
and talk about the NFL drafts. So coming out next
to the rest of here podcast Best of Cardinals Stock
on the Web. Let's dive into the final three positions
that we haven't previewed, even though you know, these are the.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Three positions that we're unlikely to see the Cardinals goill.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That's coming next Rise of Sea Red. We're back on
the Rise of Secret podcast. The Best are Cardinals stock
on the Web. Let's start with it here.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
The position that it feels like it's like, ain't no way, ain't.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
No way they're drafted in a quarterback this year because
they've got Kyler, they've got Jacoby Brissett. Why in the
world would they draft another quarterback? That said, let's talk
about the quarterbacks a little bit. How many quarters? So
we've got basically got two quarterbacks that we know are
first s rounders. But you know, we're starting to get like,
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is it going to be three? Is it going to
be four? Camra Oard versus Shdor Sanders. It's it's a
given now, like we know one hundred percent, even though
we don't know it. This is not even as hidden
as the Cardinals tried to do it in twenty nineteen
when they drafted Kyler Murray, when they were seriously considering
Nick Bosa and.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And what's a nick Quentin Williams.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Back in twenty nineteen, the Titans did absolutely nothing at quarterback,
and they're gonna draft cam Ward. So, first of all,
how good a quarterback it is?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Cam Ward going to like? How good a prospect do
you think he is?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I think he's a I think he's a good prospect.
I mean, I don't think he's otherworldly in the sense,
but I don't have any issues with him, you know,
being the guy this year. It's interesting that these guys
are coming in a little older now, you know, Ward
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is I don't even know how old he is. It's
what his sixth season in college football now played Incarnate
Word Washington State before heading off to Miami. Uh. Been
incredibly productive in his time in college. And he's a
He's a guy that I think has, you know, upside,
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and I think he's a guy that plays the position
really well and seems like he's seasoned and comfortable to
do different things. You know, it'll be interesting to see
how he works out. He's got you know, obviously, when
you say this name, it's it goes way overboard, but
you know, he's got some the homes to him right,
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with the way he tries to throw off a different platforms.
He's not a he's not a buy the book guy.
And that's that's where my questions come. Is he's kind
of a backyard football guy. I would put him on
the same range as like Baker. That's kind of how
I see him as a as a prospect. And so
if you liked Baker quite a bit, you're gonna like him.
(16:07):
I was never a huge Baker fan. I don't I
don't have a problem with with him as a player.
It's just, you know, not not what I want for
a quarterback. But it doesn't mean he's gonna be bad
or struggle in the NFL. I just think that, you know,
he's a little too out of structure consistently for me,
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which is which is interesting because it's the complete what
opposite of the next guy and shoulder Sanders.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Right right, Sanders, who is who has some athleticism, but
he's not he doesn't have the monster on like Kim
or does.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
He's the toolsiest.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Quarterback, wouldn't you say of the class, which if you're
an NFL team and you're looking at the tools, he's
got the arm strength, he's got the mobility, he's got
the experience. You're like, yeah, I want to bet on
that more than Sanders who who came up through an
HGBU than Colorado, But like I think it was Dan
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Latsky was saying, he's so incredibly difficult to scout with
his play because you basically just you can't even look
at fifty percent of his throats because they're right around
the line of scrimmage. There's that, But he has very
good anticipation, very good accuracy. He does hold onto the
ball too long. He's not as he doesn't have the
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frame that and so you worry about him holding up.
But at the same time, he does have the ability,
like the traits as a quarterback that you want in
terms of running an offense. Rhythm, anticipation and accuracy. Is
he would you say, he's not quite on the CJ.
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Stroud level, but kind of the same type of player.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, And I've seen different, you know, takes on what
Shador can be. You know, for me, I think I've seen,
you know, a range of outcomes in the sense of
like Teddy Bridgewater, who was a you know, a good
long time kind of backup journeyman NFL quarterback, you know,
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for me with with Schadur and what he brings. He is,
he's a better processor than he has physical talent for me,
but he understands how to play the position and he
does it with with a lot of confidence. And then
he's an incredibly accurate pastor of the football. So those
things are all, you know, important, and the question becomes
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what's your what's your highest level that you can can
get from him or like where can you get to
on you know with him as your quarterback? You know,
I you know, I struggle to find a comp for him.
I've seen, you know, some that are like not terrible,
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Like I said Teddy Bridgewater. I've seen Kirk Cousins, which
I don't mind.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Now Kuiper says tom Brady with it. He says he's
got tom brady surgical accuracy.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
But I like it. But I think you have to
take that as like early years, lady, where he was
kind of protected and things of that nature. You know,
because as Tom Brady aged, he like he aged and
reverse on the field, right, Like he got better throwing
the football. He felt more comfortable throwing the ball down
the field. And I don't know, I mean, I kind
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of see what he's saying from the early years.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
But more stylistic I think is what he means for me.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You know, I see a guy that you know, when
you watch him play, you see a guy that has
ability and can lead. You just you just wonder what
the what the ceiling is on that. But I definitely
think he can be an NFL starter, especially from what
we've seen from there. It's just kind of a pick
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your flavor, right like I've seen next I've seen Jackson Dart,
then I've seen I've seen guys like Jalen Milroe, Tyler Shuck, Uh,
Kyle McCord, you know, and those are all guys that
are going to go on in that day to range.
I've seen some people think that Dart could end up
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in the first round. I'll believe it when I see
it type thing. That's where I'm at with that he is.
I think Dart has, you know, the best arm in
the class. He's kind of an elite thrower of the ball.
But we've seen a million of those guys right that
just have who's the kid was up and Drew Locke,
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you know, kind of kind of playing back in Seattle,
and and so you know, somebody like Locke. He's a
he's an interesting player, you know, he uh has these
games where he kind of just it seems like he
blacks out and is just playing at such a such
(21:13):
a high level, but then he makes a throw and
you're just like, oh, yeah, that's why you could never
be the guy and the you know for your team.
And I you know, I I think he ends up
on day two. Jalen Milroe is a really intriguing guy.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
How how far down do you think Sanders falls like
or or.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Is it the situation with with the Saints suddenly now
he's a lock at number nine.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I don't know. I think I think I could I
could see uh sugar going in from nine to twenty.
I think twenty is when Pittsburgh picks. I think he
would fit in really well in Pittsburgh and he would
fit what they want and how they do things, So
you know, I could see that working out. You know,
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this is just a it's just an interesting class for
the quarterbacks really, I mean because after after ward, I
think Sanders is the next guy. But then from there
it's like it's it's just really a pick your flavor, right,
Like do you want do you want the freaky athletic
Jalen Milroe. Do you want the guy that can throw
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the ball all over the field and has shown, you know,
the ability to be unconscious in Jackson Dart. Do you
want the guy that's never really put it all together
but has all the tools And Tyler Shuck, But I
mean Shuck's going to be I think twenty six this year,
you know.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And so then you've got experienced guys.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You've got Will Howard, You've got Kyle McCord who put
up really big numbers at Syracuse after after playing at
Ohio State. Brady Cook, I think he's another strong arm
guy who's got the r in town, right.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Yeah, and he's you know, super athletic on top of that.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
So we you know, we didn't even mention Quinn youwers
who's got the experience, who's like he's got all the
tools just like he also you're like, why hasn't he
put it all together?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Right? And and so we'll see where this where these
guys end up. You know, I just don't know if
there's anybody in this class after the first two guys
that really offer much. I mean, some intriguing guys. I
mean I've seen well Howard KMP, like Josh McCown who
was around the NFL forever. I don't hate that, right.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Right, if there's anyone that you that might have a
surprisingly successful NFL career, who beyond Ward and Sanders, do
you think will have the most successful NFL career, whether
it be starting backup or just playing for a long time.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I think there's a couple I would start with with McCord.
I think he's going to be a guy that just
you know, hangs around forever, you know, kind of like
Colt McCoy. Uh, that's actually my comp forum, you know,
is a Colt McCoy like player before the arm injury,
you know, and and McCoy was poised to have a
(24:21):
good career and then the shoulder. You know, he just
never could. But he still had a great career, right,
I mean, especially for that. Uh and then Jaylen Milroe
I mentioned it. I mean, it's very hard to be
that good athletically and not get a bunch of chances
in the league, right, I mean, Trey Lance is still
hanging around, and he's been terrible. The one that I
(24:43):
would say, like that's a Day three locker, or maybe
even like an undrafted lock, but who could be interesting?
Seth Innigan out of Memphis. You know, he's he's interesting
because he he tested really well at the Combine and
and he's been around, you know, for four years and productive,
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and he just is the type of guy that could,
in the right system, fit in and kind of just
hang on for a while. But yeah, I mean, I
don't really outside of the obvious, I just don't really
see anybody like I know, some people like Dylan Gabriel,
I'm like, eh, I'm not. I mean kind of reminds
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me of like Kellen Moore, right, like super accurate and
good in college, but not a guy you want to
bet on. I thought Riley Leonard did a nice job
at Notre Dame, but I don't. I don't see it
translating in the NFL at all. And then and then
some of these guys you know, didn't couldn't even make
it in college or make it consistently in college. So
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it'll be interesting to see how many go in the
first three rounds because after Warden and Sanders, I don't
really know who you look at and go, oh, that's
a guy that can can be a starter immediately.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
And if it would be nice to see us like
one of those small quarterback runs at the top of
the second round.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
But don't you think, because.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, that's just gonna push talent down for the core.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
That's going to push talent down for the Cardinals, which
would be fantastic.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
And let's with that. Let's let's move on to the
next position.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Coming to next on the Rise of Secret podcast, Bestar
Cardinals talk on the Well, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
We're going to bounce to tight end.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Also not a high priority for the Cardinals, but let's
have a look at that coming next. That's coming on
next on Riseups you read we're back on the Rise
of Hered podcast The Star Cardinals talk on the web.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Tight end will not be a priority.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It would be I would be shocked if the Cardinals
select a tight end on day one or day two,
but we were also shocked when Tray McBride was picked
and that worked out fantastically. There are two clear first
round talents at debt tight end this year, which is
Tyler Warren out of Penn State and Colston Loveland out
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of Michigan. Penn State and Michigan Big ten guys, and
don't both of them just look like can't missers. Warren
being more like I've heard he's he's the what the
more Gronkowski type impact because he could like in addition
to being able to make plays as a pass catcher,
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he is also big and fierce and will block, while
Colston Loveland is more stylistically the the Travis Kelce type,
moves very very well in pre like big time pass catcher,
but maybe a little bit less like more like more
the wide receiver tight end than the true tight end.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Yeah, and I've seen some interesting comps for both. Warren
you know, you mentioned it. He's he's kind of more
of the the full package type of guy. But you know,
at six six, two fifty seven, has shown the ability
to be a guy that is a high production type
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of player and one that can play with the volume
that you saw a guy like Trey McBride get this year, right,
Like that's how he was used at Penn State. So
that also brings a small worry with him, like how
does he work if he's not being forced fed the ball?
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I will say this, he has very short arms for
a size six five and a half two fifty six,
only thirty one and three fourths inch arms with a
seventy six and a half inch wingspan. So it's not
like he's like this freak athlete, but and not to
or not you know, this freak specimen, but and not
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to like go too on the nose here, but a guy,
you know, like I could say his low end and
this is a high compliment, So I don't, I don't
nobody takes this wrong way, but like could be kind
of a Friarmouth level guy, which to your point is like,
if that's what his you know, floor is, aren't you like,
(29:17):
oh yeah, sign me up. That's a that's a you know,
starting tight end in the NFL that's going to catch
sixty passes for seven hundred plus yards a year, right, Like,
who's going to complain about that? So yeah, so maybe
he doesn't reach the you know, the name I've seen
thrown out quite a bit that's really intriguing to me
because it was so long ago was Dallas Clark. I'm
(29:41):
sure you remember Clark, Yeah, you know, and so and
so you look at that and you're like, okay, if
that's his scale, you know, Clark an all pro to
Pat Friarmuth just an incredibly consistent and solid tight end.
I don't think that's a bad thing, you know too.
And then you talked about Lovelin. You know, he's another
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guy just a hair under six six but came in
at under two fifty, not as not as long as
arms as you would like again for the size, but
a guy that's going to be able to consistently win
and produce. You know, I've seen a number of comps
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for him as well. One that that I like, that's
very you know, fair and mid level, because you know
that's where I try to always end up. A kind
of mid level. Is Tyler or not Tyler Eifer excuse me,
Tyler Higbee out of you know that the rams tight
end who, outside of being injured a little too much
(30:46):
right has has put up really good numbers through.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
It for about a year and a half.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
He was really good, really good for about a year
and a half and after that, outside of that, he's
just simply been solidly productive.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
And so you look at that and that's you know,
if if that's where he ends up, that's a again,
that's a solid pick. And that's kind of what we're
talking about with this class, is that you've got a guy,
you know, in Lovelin, whose ceiling might be like a
Tyler Eifert, uh, you know who I think made a
couple of Pro Bowls and was you know, a really
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productive tight end for the Bengals during their during their
run with Andy Dalton struggled with injuries all the time
if you remember. But you know, but again, if you're
talking about a guy that's been around, that's that's going
to consistently perform and be good for a long time.
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I don't think those are those are bad. And then
you have the next tier of guys, which in any
other draft I think Cardinals fans would be like super
excited about because this this next tier of guys are
really they fit what the Cardinals do. And and you know,
if you want to say, you know need and I
don't think anybody thinks they need a tight end. But
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there's just a lot of a lot to choose from.
But you know, unfortunately, or fortunately, it's really not a
need for this team, right.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Right, I mean, the the the three tight ends that
they have at that they've got Trey mcbridey, got Elijah Higgins,
and you've got Tip Ryman. Now Elijah Higgins has been fine.
Tip Ryman looks really good in his particular role. The
fourth tight end could be anybody. They've got Travis folklok
a last all last year. But you know, something to
maybe think about is based on what they've gotten from Higgins,
(32:41):
you maybe maybe if the board falls right and a
Mason Taylor or let's say this guy, Elijah Rojo happens
to be available and are are would you say those
two are the next two clear in this class with
(33:01):
with Taylor and Arroyo.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, And and that's the hard part, right is you've
got guys like Mason Taylor, the tight end out of LSU,
you know, six five, two fifty one with good numbers
while he was there, and and then.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
From Arroyo, and and Arroyo who just was like was
the talk of the Senior Bowl And kind of isn't
he stylistic because Higgins played receiver in college and converted
to to tight and it's done pretty all right. But
wouldn't Arroyo be a nice Higgins replacement because they're not
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going to pay like they probably won't though he's got
another two years under contract out this year next year.
But say you've gotten Elijah Royo as their number four,
you can let Higgins go and have another four years
of that sort of production for another really great athlete.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah, and I like Arroyal and I like the player.
My biggest question is he you know, he basically was
in and out of games for two seasons because of injury,
and so you know, his his freshman year he played
in twelve games, and then his senior he played in
all thirteen games, and then in the two years between
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that he played in eleven games as a reserve, didn't
start a single game. And in those two seasons he
had six catches for seventy seven yards. And that's where
my concern comes in, is like, is that is that
something that the Cardinals where the need isn't exactly there,
is that something that they want to address on day
two because Arroyo is going to go on day two
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barring you know, somebody flagging the medicals to the point
where it's like, oh, he's got to be taken on
day you know three. Because of that, you look at
the other guys like Harold Fan and Junior. He didn't
test well, but he kind of fits into that mold
of what you're talking about with with Elijah Higgins, right.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I mean definitely.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He is kind of built like six', three so he's
more of the move tight end six three two forty,
one more the h, back which is kind of how
they Use they Use higgins right, on one of the
more athletic ones in terms of. Movement no one at
the combine like knocked the socks off of anyone that
wasn't this. Class, no but but he does have some
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good like he moves really. Well if you look at
some of the some of the NUMBERS a six nine to,
seven three, cone four to seven and forty that it
was everyone else there, was it felt, like at least,
physically isn't the entire tight end class after the top
four or five pretty much the same guy. Built they're
all built six, four six five two fifty plus with
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moderate athleticism four sevens four eights in the forty is
the like who would? Be is there anyone that stands
out like For day, three is any particular skill where
like anyone Like ryman last year who was one who
was a fantastic blocker and two very.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Athletic BECAUSE i.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Can see The cardinals going On day three getting a
guy who could compete With Travis Folko bullock and but
is there.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Anyone or are?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
They are they pretty much the tight ends that The
day three tight ends more or less kind of the same.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Guy the one that's intriguing to me Is Aronde gadson
out Of. Syracuse he was a receiver and then he
switched over to tight. End he had sixty one catches
for nine hundred and sixty nine. Yards you, know his
first year is a tight. End then he had a
list fronc injury and then came back or sorry in
(36:48):
twenty twenty, three and then came back this year and
was third team Apl american at tight. End had seventy
three receptions for nine hundred and thirty four yards and seven.
Touchdowns was AN nfl wide receiver if you remember the.
Name so the athleticism is, there and he's put on
like good, weight six,' five two hundred and forty, three
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pounds moves, really well had really nice jumps at the at.
The combine he's the ONE that i would look at
because he's kind of a receiving tight. End only and
so that is a guy that would be intriguing to
me because you would get Him on day three and, you'd,
(37:30):
SAY okay i don't need to worry about him. This year,
you know if we have to use him in Spots,
for elijah weren't a. Good spot, YOU know a later day,
Three Guy jackson hawes Out Of, georgia tech, you know
fits more in Like The tip rhineman type of role
(37:55):
where you'd, be, like, oh okay he, can block and
he'll try to murder you while he's. Blocking you not
a whole lot. Of production, but again like, you said
he wasn't a. Good athlete he wasn't a. Bad athlete
he was just kind of a very average athlete Transferred,
from yale but he really really good blocking. Tight end
(38:17):
so you've got a, guy THAT like, i said if, you're,
like hey round six and oh we don't really have
anybody on our board that, we love this is a,
guy that, you know could could end up being a,
you know our tight end three and give us another
Look with tip as. A blocker like that's not a.
(38:39):
Bad thing the interesting, thing IS and i wanted to
get your opinion. On this, you know we're talking obviously
quarterbacks and now, tight ends and we're going to talk
about running backs in. A moment from those, position Groups
the cardinals have met. With one does that surprise you
or is it just a real of how their roster
(39:02):
is constructed at this time that it's not really. In
need so, you know they're going to do, their homework
they're going to have have these names on, the board
but it's just such a low priority that it would
have to be such a disparity between, you know let's
just go Back To harold Fan and junior right at
at that seventy, whatever pick it would have to be
(39:23):
such a disparity between him and, you know the best
guard or defensive tackle if they haven't addressed those positions
that it just. Seems, unlikely yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
It feels, that way especially like seemingly more.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
This year they're they're like their pre draft visits have
been so heavy on first round guys and so heavy
on the defensive front that you're thinking they're just trying
to figure out which one of these, to go as
opposed to a lot, of times like pre draft meetings
that you, have here like through thirty meetings are also
(40:03):
in some ways early recruitment or undrafted. Free, Agents, right
yeah they say we really, like you maybe with, a
bit but but it gets those visits kind of like recruiting,
in college out of, high school, those visits especially late
(40:24):
in the draft and especially when you get to the priority.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Free agents that's how you can, stand out.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Is because they've they've built a little bit of relationship,
with you with, the team because those undrafted guys get
to sign with whomever, they want and that's that's the.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Major difference, BUT.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, I mean i like seventh, round pick and the
several of the mock Drafts that, i've run my seventh
round pick has been either a running back or tight
end in almost every case because they're guys that you
can get, and like they can compete with A More
sorry demarcotto is we're going to talk about running backs in,
(41:02):
a Second, or okay they can Compete With travis vocalik
to be the fourth running the fourth tight on.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
The roster, vocal like who's?
Speaker 3 (41:07):
You mind he was active for exactly one game, last
season and but he was on the.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Roster of the. Entire year so he's a guy that they.
Clearly LIKE but i wouldn't say.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
That theirs but if, if truly if they truly believe
that he has some, developmental future then they can they
can say we don't need a tight end unless we
actually love, a guy because we've got four guys on
the roster we like and and even if one guy
goes down with, an injury you've got three guys that
you're comfortable. With playing so maybe that's the.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Case.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Too uh let's move, on then talk about the running
backs the position we might see. Them take that's coming
next on the rest of Here Podcast Best Are cardinal's
talk On.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
The web let's talk about the running backs in. This
class let's.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Come a next on the Rest of sered back On
the Rise of, Secred Podcasts Bestar cardinals talk On. The,
web ah talking, Running backs i'll, Say, this uh doesn't
matter what running backs go in the first. FIRST round
i don't think that there is a chance in hell
That the cardinals were taking.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
A running back before.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Day three, you know they Got Their, james connor They
Love trey benson that they Talk About trey benson like
they expect him to be an impact player. This year
they've got their special teams GUY In. Dj dallas so
their top two spots. Are set and so if you're gonna,
draft it, you know typically you're not going to Draft
(42:27):
a day two guy Or a day one guy to
be special teamer slash third down. Running back and so my,
point LIKE when i think, running back the only spot
that they're going to be looking at right now is
a third down guy or who has upside or a
(42:51):
special teamer who. Has upside but that's what, those Are
always day. Three guys but, before that how many back do?
You think is it going to be just the two
that is going To be Ashon Gentin O marion hampton
or do you think a third might make it into the?
Speaker 5 (43:06):
First, ROUND no i think it'll be just. THE two,
I mean I Guess travion henderson's picking up. Some steam
he's a really interesting guy that, you know as, you
mentioned if there weren't, you know three guys already on
the roster that fit you could look at if he
did fall to that forty. Seven range, but uh Gent
(43:30):
and hampton seem like locks to go on. Day one
henderson's going to be an intriguing guy to Follow because
henderson's kind of the lost guy in this in this class,
TO me, i mean you're talking about a five star
running back who only just did everything for four Years At,
ohio state, never complained shared, the load and produced at
(43:54):
an insane, insane level like the whole time and never
really like, was, like hey WHY am i not the?
Guy right like WHY am i not getting all? The
touches and and so you know he's he's the one.
To watch and then on day two you've got, you
know just another really really well rounded set. OF guys,
(44:19):
i mean, you know Whether it's henderson that kicks it
off or from there his, running back you know mate
At At, Ohio State, quenching judkins who, you know burst
onto the scene as kind of the freak At At
ole miss and put up these absurd numbers as a,
true freshman and then everybody kind of went out on
(44:40):
him because he didn't have a great year the. Next
year but then he Went To ohio state and put
up over a thousand yards and was kind of the
was the thunder to the Lightning From. Travon henderson, you
know he's a guy that that makes a lot. Of
sense on, day two then you have the kid Out
of iowa that some, were saying, you know could have
(45:03):
been at the top of the class and just never
really lived up to. The billing and but you look at,
you know the size and the production at at a School,
like iowa and, You, go okay this is a guy
that is, insanely, BIG right i mean six foot one
(45:26):
two and twenty four pounds, long arms and then was
just average with his speed but not bad for, his
size kind of calmps out to like a to like a,
You Know nagy harris. Type guy And remember harris went
in the first round and carved out a really. Nice
(45:49):
career maybe he hasn't hit as well as People, at
hope but he's he's been. Really good and then, you get,
you Know To, cam skataboo who, YOU know i know
some fans, are like you gotta draft him if he's
there with your third.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Round, pick, NO no i don't think he's. GOING before
i don't think he's gonna go before. Day, Three HONESTLY
i'm I Love. CAM skataboo i, love HIM and i
think he could be could be a pretty good running
back IN. The nfl but in, this class I'D be
(46:27):
i would be surprised if he goes before.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Day, three Yeah and i'm, with you, YOU know i
don't think. So Either but i've seen some, interesting comps,
you Know like i've Seen A jalen warren COMP which i,
don't hate, You Know and warren's carved out a really
nice career for Himself, In pittsburgh and wouldn't it be
Fitting for cam to go be like the lead backup
(46:51):
to established back and then and then people be kind
of yearning to see More Of camp scattaboo for for
four years like they Have For. Jalen, warren yeah and.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Would be that and so.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
And so, you know he's a, you know but he's on.
THE List, dj giddens the running back out of Out Of,
KANSAS STATE. R, J Harvey, damien martinez like all these
guys are probably going in that, same, range right and
so it's it's just kind of like the tight ends
after the, top two it's really and we could probably
(47:29):
Throw even henderson. In there after the, top three it's
kind of a pick, Your Flavor like Judkins and johnson
are the big big backs that are gonna run run. Over,
You uh you've got Guys like Giddens and harvey and
and uh the kid Out Of, virginia Tech Remember tutt
Toot and tutton that was lightning fast at. THE combine
(47:51):
i think he ran like a four three yeah fo three,
Two yeah and so, you know, You're, like, okay uh
sign me up. For THAT but i mean a guy,
like him AND like, i Said like giddons at two
twelve running a four to, Four, three like all of
these guys to, your point are kind. Of interchangeable it's
just a matter of like what you need and where
(48:12):
you want to draft them in order to kind of.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Where.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
They fit and, you know we've seen Guys Like. Trey mason,
you know that's A comp i've seen For uh tutt
and the guy THAT if I was tutton's want, To
know martinez is one. To KNOW but i Really think
martinez ends up on day three or on day two
(48:39):
in kind of like the whole mush or mesh of people,
because he's, you know just a shade under six foot
and two hundred and seventeen pounds and then ran a
four or five. To one, you know that's that's a
big guy that, can move the One that i'm really
kind of keeping my. Eye on and he was again
(48:59):
another GUY that i feel like is the forgotten guy
in this draft but really kind of tested Similarly To
james connor and all. That stuff obviously never had the
health Issues that, connor Had But olie gordon Out Of
(49:20):
oklahoma state right just, under yep just under six two
two twenty six ran a four, Six one so people, be,
like oh he's not, that fast, but man this was
a dude that was really hard to tackle when he
was a. True freshman and then just everybody kind of
seemed to forget him because he he, you know he
(49:41):
Played At, oklahoma state and they all of a sudden
sucked right like out. Of Nowhere, oklahoma state all of
a sudden was. Just terrible and so people now, are,
like oh he's he's not, you know he's not, good
enough wasn't. Athletic enough it all Caught.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Up tom that was that was a year.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
After that he led college football and rushing and touches
in twenty, twenty three.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
And wasn't he Like nineteen.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
That's.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
That's crazy it's seven over seventeen hundred yards averaging six
point one yards. Of carry it dropped to four point
six this. Last year but in some ways in terms
of like one year to, the next it reminds Me Of. True,
hubbard now not the, same player wan't the, same School
but hubbard was like the nation's leading rusher and then
(50:35):
the next year, was yeah he was pretty good and
he kind of was forgotten this and turned into a.
Productive guy, but yeah if, you, want like if you
want a guy on day three like that who is
kind of a, like built like like he's kind of
a clone of one of your, OTHER backs i.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Like.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
That me i've got three names to watch because of
their potential. Skill set NOW. R, j harvey like he'll probably,
get drafted but he's a guy if he were, to
fall because he offers the the.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
The flexibility in the.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Passing game if he were to fall the DAY three
I Would But lequent allen Had a syracuse uh and
also QUIETLY who i think he'll be pretty productive in.
The pros but you know the Way Go George. Trevor
etn he there's, nothing outstanding does That stand like he's,
(51:33):
not big he's almost five, to nine he's five nine
one ninety eight the athletic four four two thirty five,
inch jump and but we. Know etns they, can move
they can catch, the ball. You know so if there's
guys that if you're looking for his, skill Set Like,
MARTIN demarcato i will. Say This so Martin de marcado
missed the end of, the.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Season with the. Back injury THEY Love I.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Mario demarcado we don't know what his status is with,
the back so they might need they might needed or
how he comes back, from that they might need a
third down back. Like THAT So a TREVOR Atn A,
LEQUIN allen i think are our names that would be
interesting Late in and we just found Out from Justin
(52:14):
mill over At The. Draft Network phil maffa Is pro
clemson is a Guy that cardinals have had pre draft virtual.
Meetings with dude's giant six foot two thirty Four And
rush rover one thousand yards is last Year, for clemson
so that's another. Big guy we don't have the testing
on HIM from. I did i didn't see what his
pro day stuff. Looked like but, you know the names,
(52:34):
LIKE that i think are ones to kind of pay,
attention to ones that, you know our, special teams dogs
or returners or.
Speaker 5 (52:45):
Of passame right that. Offers something and, you know going
Back to gordon, real quick one of the biggest like
PLUSES and i know people are gonna, be, like well,
who cares but he's like fantastic and.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Pass protection so that's perfect because then you get then
you get someone who can catch, the ball who can
who can, pass protect and has upset as. A runner
that's exactly what, you want where, you know if you're
down a running back, or two you don't feel like
like When de marcado had to start, a game you felt,
pretty good like he was good.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
In his role when he had. To start he has, a, rookie.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Right and that's kind of what you're, looking for and
so you know it'll. Be interesting but to your, EARLIER
point i don't think they even draft one like. That's
true the only ones we know About, are skataboo who
was a, local visit and the one you just Mentioned
from clemson who just.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Saws the kid Out our.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Arizona too and what's interesting is Because with skataboo and.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
The Cross crosskey merrit out of u, of, a yeah
they actually used to they used top thirty on then
they weren't just the local.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Pro day they used top thirty On And krosskey merrit's
an interesting one too because he had the eligibility issue.
Last year he's shown At The shrine BOWL that i
think that might be a guy late in the draft.
Speaker 4 (54:03):
Round seven or or.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
Even undrafted, but yeah those are the guys that are
that are interesting to pay attention to that seventh. Round
pick let's, BE honest i it could as long as
they don't draft. A quarterback, I'M like i, don't like
they don't need to draft. A quarterback but if you
get a seventh round, tied end if you get a
seventh round, Running back i'm not gonna feel bad about
it because you're gonna be looking at a particular skill
(54:28):
set and and you could you could have SOMEONE Be
dj dallas and beat. Him out you could have Someone
Beat imarnie demarcado out and it won't feel like a
waste of.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
A pick so, but yeah that's Kind of, i'm like
if they draft.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
A, RUNNING back i Think on, day three it'll be
a something to offer something in the past game. That
can that can that's Gonna be demarcado or someone to compete.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
With, Him correct i'm.
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we will talk seven round plans and ideal fits for
the Cardinals come later this week and the next week
will be our yearly mock draft that I think we're
what might be our tenth one. Maybe I think it's
(01:13):
a tenth year that we've done it to some extent,
but today we have the last three positions to talk about.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Quarterback running back and tight end.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Though we're not really gonna there's not much to talk
about in terms of the Cardinals, but we did, Seth
have an interesting thing occur, and that is the return
of Pat Yesterday on Monday, it was basically Patrick Peterson Day,
where the Cardinal that Peterson came back. He retired a
member of the Cardinals, and it was I guess what
(01:46):
it's trying to do, erase the final couple of years
and remember how great he was. I don't know how
you feel about it, Seth, but for me, the end
made it hard to remember how absolutely fantastic he was.
(02:08):
And I you know this was good for the organization
to do.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I think yeah, And I mean it's one of those
things that this is something an organization like the Cardinals
has to do. And I know people don't want to
hear that, but the Cardinals don't have enough history of
talented all pro level players to shun one right. And
(02:32):
there's been a lot of a lot of negativity over
the last several years from they're all pro players. Think
about this. I mean Patrick Peterson left on bad terms,
tyard Matthew left on bad terms. Those things you know
occurring and happening the way they did, whether or not
deserved or undeserved, you know, it's not doesn't really matter,
(02:54):
and you and I can talk about it. I mean,
the reality became that the taste left in the mouth
came from much of what Patrick Peterson did. It was
it wasn't really a lot of what the Arizona Cardinals
did or didn't do. It was a lot of what
Patrick Peterson did. I mean, starting obviously with the ped suspension.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You could even go back just a little bit before
that as well, because it was in twenty eighteen he
did the trade request, then he was suspended, and then
I guess the he did publicly criticize Kyler Murray on
his podcast when he was a member of the Vikings
and did say some like this wasn't so much about
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the organization as it was about Steve Kyin, because when
he left, he was never told like he was never told, hey,
we're moving on. And I always felt that his issue,
like his being unhappy with how things ended, was less
about the organization and more about that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Particular situation is Steve Kyin.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Because I've always had the I've always gotten the feeling
that he's always been fairly close to Michael Bidwill.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, and I mean the reality became, you know, when
they didn't do him a solid and pay him his bonus,
right like, that was the big thing.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And by by league rules they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
They couldn't have done it because they they if they
they would have had to have given him a contract
extension to be able to do that, which he was
upset because they didn't, if you recall, convert some of
his salary into a bonus before the suspension went in,
so that he was getting still getting the bulk of
his money because when he was suspended those six games,
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it was without pay. And if they'd have paid him
a bonus in the off season, like restructuring his contract,
if they paid him up front, then it would have
been you know, a much smaller salary that he was
missing out on. But then again, the I believe league
rules prohibited doing such a move.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I guess he could get away with it if they if.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
They had renegotiated a contract out of a year or
something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
But at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Day, that that is that suspension is the one thing
that kind of is a really bad mark on his
career because it wasn't just that he tested positive for PDEs.
It was that at that time, six games meant you
got tested.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You you you got popped, and and got got trying
to cover it up with the masking agent. And well
he never addressed that.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
No, he never, he never well and he never apologized.
He basically said, oh, it's because I have the diabetes.
Like that was that was basically his And and think
about this dress more than anything else. And and you
and I have had our qualms about Pro Bowls and whatnot,
but that was the only reason his consecutive streak of
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Pro Bowls ended, because he was ineligible to make another
Pro Bowl because he missed those games. And so you know,
it tainted a legacy that had been grown. I mean,
think about this just he was the first defensive back
in NFL history to make eight straight Pro Bowls, and
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instead of playing for his ninth and to continue and
set these astronomical records, he hits popped for PEDS. And
and you look back and then that fair or not
is doesn't matter. It makes you immediately go was that
his whole career was he on because then the falloff
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post ped suspension was stark. And you know, and so
that's the hard part of the whole situation is you
have a guy who for eight seasons played every game,
was another worldly level player, three time you know, three
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time All Pro, two time All Pro at corner, an
eight time Pro Bowl player, did everything he wanted for
a guy drafted fifth overall and what was considered by
many at the time and might still be the greatest
draft we've ever seen. And that's the ending, you know,
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and you think about it, he's he's tied with von
Miller and Richard Sherman from that draft for the third
or sorry for the fourth most All pros. I mean,
Jason Kelsey was first. He's going to be a Hall
of Famer. JJ Watt was second, He's going to be
a Hall of Famer. Cameron Hayward is thirty s four
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All Pros. That's going to be one to watch. But
then von Miller's tied there, and von Miller has that too, right,
we got popped and everything like that, But one hundred
and thirty seven in his career is going to be
hard to keep him out of the Hall of Fame.
And then obviously Richard Sherman, who's long since retired, So
like he was one of the best players of a
generation from that from an elite draft and he was
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an Arizona Cardinal. And it's rare that that happens, especially
for the Cardinals, right Like, typically they're the ones with
the Alden Smith or the Ja Clocker or the Christian
Ponder or the Nick Fairley, right like, they're not the ones.
They're not the ones getting the Patrick Peterson. So so
it's just it's you know, disappointing in the sense that
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that's how it ended. But at the other side of
it too, I mean, you have to look back and
admire the first eight years of what you got because
he lived up to every expectation that could have been
thrown at him.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, and how bad a look would it be if
this Hall of Fame and you know, maybe the end
we have to remember.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
These are some of.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
The things and Mark Dalton, our guy over the Cardinals,
share this. This are some stats about Patrick Peterson the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. Only four cornerbacks in NFL
history have been named to seven straight Pro Bowls, two
of them in the Hall of Fame, the Champ Bailey
who went to eight as a cornerback, and Willie Brown
seventh Street. The other two were Patrick Peterson, who has
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eight Pro Bowls, but seven of them as a cornerback,
and Jalen Ramsey seventh straight. Those two are probably head
of the to the Hall of Fame. And I think
what happens is that maybe Peterson was always arguably a
top three cornerback during during those first eight years and
then and we talked about this in the last two
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years after he came back from the suspension in twenty
nineteen and then he played in twenty twenty, the floor dropped,
is what it was. His ceiling was still like when
he was on he was as good as any cornerback
we've seen, and so his good games were as good
as ever. But what happened, like the first eight years
of his career, there weren't like his floor was.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
So high to begin with.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It's just as as he hit as he hit year
nine to ten, especially after the suspension, all that time off,
and then in twenty twenty, the floor lowered, and his
bad his his worst play was notably below average. He
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still played, he like, his highs were still as good
as anybody, but the floor dropped. And honestly, when you
have a Hall of fame caliber player in Patrick Peterson,
who was a decade with the team. You have no
choice as an organization than to make things right other than.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It looks other than it would just look terribly bad.
He because.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
There was nothing in those first eight in those first
eight seasons that you could be unhappy about based on
play on the field, his play at his more hit,
what he did in the locker room, what he did
in the community.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
He is.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Honestly a really kind and just very good person.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Like he's family oriented, he loves his wife, he loves
his kids. He is as great a representative for your
organization you want.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Was he was.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
He full of himself one hundred percent, but he also
backed it up, and so it's good you have to
as an organization clear that up.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's very good to see.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Him want to come back and and do what Adrian
Wilson did and to kind of put himself in there.
And honestly, yes, he had that. You know, he had
the years that he had, the time with the Vikings,
the time with the Steelers, and he played pretty well
with it. He was and he wasn't bad in Minnesota
by any means. But this is this is how it
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was meant to be. He's gonna be a longtime part
of part of the organization, and quietly, like he said,
he wants to be in media or he wants to
roll with the organization to help the Cardinals win a championship.
Nikki sneaky, I I kind of think he might have
might have the inside track to be their new radio
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color guy. The way some of the comments that he
made yesterday, he wants to be in media, it sounds
he wants to be in television particularly, but he also
wants to be with the Cardinals. And guess what job
is open right now or since Ron Wolfley retired.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
So it'll be interesting to see how it all works out,
because you know, it's a it's a it's gonna be
just interesting to see how this goes, because you know,
if they're going to act like basically all that stuff
never happened, and it's it's you know, it can be
like a marriage or a relationship, right where nobody really
addresses anything and you just hope that it doesn't come
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back up eventually.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Right, Okay, Right, that's fantastic. But let's let's move on
and talk about the NFL drafts. So coming out next
to the rest of here podcast Best of Cardinals Stock
on the Web. Let's dive into the final three positions
that we haven't previewed, even though you know, these are the.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Three positions that we're unlikely to see the Cardinals goill.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That's coming next Rise of Sea Red. We're back on
the Rise of Secret podcast. The Best are Cardinals stock
on the Web. Let's start with it here.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
The position that it feels like it's like, ain't no way, ain't.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
No way they're drafted in a quarterback this year because
they've got Kyler, they've got Jacoby Brissett. Why in the
world would they draft another quarterback? That said, let's talk
about the quarterbacks a little bit. How many quarters? So
we've got basically got two quarterbacks that we know are
first s rounders. But you know, we're starting to get like,
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is it going to be three? Is it going to
be four? Camra Oard versus Shdor Sanders. It's it's a
given now, like we know one hundred percent, even though
we don't know it. This is not even as hidden
as the Cardinals tried to do it in twenty nineteen
when they drafted Kyler Murray, when they were seriously considering
Nick Bosa and.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And what's a nick Quentin Williams.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Back in twenty nineteen, the Titans did absolutely nothing at quarterback,
and they're gonna draft cam Ward. So, first of all,
how good a quarterback it is?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Cam Ward going to like? How good a prospect do
you think he is?
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I think he's a I think he's a good prospect.
I mean, I don't think he's otherworldly in the sense,
but I don't have any issues with him, you know,
being the guy this year. It's interesting that these guys
are coming in a little older now, you know, Ward
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is I don't even know how old he is. It's
what his sixth season in college football now played Incarnate
Word Washington State before heading off to Miami. Uh. Been
incredibly productive in his time in college. And he's a
He's a guy that I think has, you know, upside,
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and I think he's a guy that plays the position
really well and seems like he's seasoned and comfortable to
do different things. You know, it'll be interesting to see
how he works out. He's got you know, obviously, when
you say this name, it's it goes way overboard, but
you know, he's got some the homes to him right,
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with the way he tries to throw off a different platforms.
He's not a he's not a buy the book guy.
And that's that's where my questions come. Is he's kind
of a backyard football guy. I would put him on
the same range as like Baker. That's kind of how
I see him as a as a prospect. And so
if you liked Baker quite a bit, you're gonna like him.
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I was never a huge Baker fan. I don't I
don't have a problem with with him as a player.
It's just, you know, not not what I want for
a quarterback. But it doesn't mean he's gonna be bad
or struggle in the NFL. I just think that, you know,
he's a little too out of structure consistently for me,
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which is which is interesting because it's the complete what
opposite of the next guy and shoulder Sanders.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Right right, Sanders, who is who has some athleticism, but
he's not he doesn't have the monster on like Kim
or does.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
He's the toolsiest.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Quarterback, wouldn't you say of the class, which if you're
an NFL team and you're looking at the tools, he's
got the arm strength, he's got the mobility, he's got
the experience. You're like, yeah, I want to bet on
that more than Sanders who who came up through an
HGBU than Colorado, But like I think it was Dan
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Latsky was saying, he's so incredibly difficult to scout with
his play because you basically just you can't even look
at fifty percent of his throats because they're right around
the line of scrimmage. There's that, But he has very
good anticipation, very good accuracy. He does hold onto the
ball too long. He's not as he doesn't have the
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frame that and so you worry about him holding up.
But at the same time, he does have the ability,
like the traits as a quarterback that you want in
terms of running an offense. Rhythm, anticipation and accuracy. Is
he would you say, he's not quite on the CJ.
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Stroud level, but kind of the same type of player.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, And I've seen different, you know, takes on what
Shador can be. You know, for me, I think I've seen,
you know, a range of outcomes in the sense of
like Teddy Bridgewater, who was a you know, a good
long time kind of backup journeyman NFL quarterback, you know,
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for me with with Schadur and what he brings. He is,
he's a better processor than he has physical talent for me,
but he understands how to play the position and he
does it with with a lot of confidence. And then
he's an incredibly accurate pastor of the football. So those
things are all, you know, important, and the question becomes
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what's your what's your highest level that you can can
get from him or like where can you get to
on you know with him as your quarterback? You know,
I you know, I struggle to find a comp for him.
I've seen, you know, some that are like not terrible,
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Like I said Teddy Bridgewater. I've seen Kirk Cousins, which
I don't mind.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Now Kuiper says tom Brady with it. He says he's
got tom brady surgical accuracy.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
But I like it. But I think you have to
take that as like early years, lady, where he was
kind of protected and things of that nature. You know,
because as Tom Brady aged, he like he aged and
reverse on the field, right, Like he got better throwing
the football. He felt more comfortable throwing the ball down
the field. And I don't know, I mean, I kind
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of see what he's saying from the early years.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
But more stylistic I think is what he means for me.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You know, I see a guy that you know, when
you watch him play, you see a guy that has
ability and can lead. You just you just wonder what
the what the ceiling is on that. But I definitely
think he can be an NFL starter, especially from what
we've seen from there. It's just kind of a pick
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your flavor, right like I've seen next I've seen Jackson Dart,
then I've seen I've seen guys like Jalen Milroe, Tyler Shuck, Uh,
Kyle McCord, you know, and those are all guys that
are going to go on in that day to range.
I've seen some people think that Dart could end up
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in the first round. I'll believe it when I see
it type thing. That's where I'm at with that he is.
I think Dart has, you know, the best arm in
the class. He's kind of an elite thrower of the ball.
But we've seen a million of those guys right that
just have who's the kid was up and Drew Locke,
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you know, kind of kind of playing back in Seattle,
and and so you know, somebody like Locke. He's a
he's an interesting player, you know, he uh has these
games where he kind of just it seems like he
blacks out and is just playing at such a such
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a high level, but then he makes a throw and
you're just like, oh, yeah, that's why you could never
be the guy and the you know for your team.
And I you know, I I think he ends up
on day two. Jalen Milroe is a really intriguing guy.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
How how far down do you think Sanders falls like
or or.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Is it the situation with with the Saints suddenly now
he's a lock at number nine.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I don't know. I think I think I could I
could see uh sugar going in from nine to twenty.
I think twenty is when Pittsburgh picks. I think he
would fit in really well in Pittsburgh and he would
fit what they want and how they do things, So
you know, I could see that working out. You know,
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this is just a it's just an interesting class for
the quarterbacks really, I mean because after after ward, I
think Sanders is the next guy. But then from there
it's like it's it's just really a pick your flavor, right,
Like do you want do you want the freaky athletic
Jalen Milroe. Do you want the guy that can throw
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the ball all over the field and has shown, you know,
the ability to be unconscious in Jackson Dart. Do you
want the guy that's never really put it all together
but has all the tools And Tyler Shuck, But I
mean Shuck's going to be I think twenty six this year,
you know.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And so then you've got experienced guys.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You've got Will Howard, You've got Kyle McCord who put
up really big numbers at Syracuse after after playing at
Ohio State. Brady Cook, I think he's another strong arm
guy who's got the r in town, right.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Yeah, and he's you know, super athletic on top of that.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
So we you know, we didn't even mention Quinn youwers
who's got the experience, who's like he's got all the
tools just like he also you're like, why hasn't he
put it all together?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Right? And and so we'll see where this where these
guys end up. You know, I just don't know if
there's anybody in this class after the first two guys
that really offer much. I mean, some intriguing guys. I
mean I've seen well Howard KMP, like Josh McCown who
was around the NFL forever. I don't hate that, right.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Right, if there's anyone that you that might have a
surprisingly successful NFL career, who beyond Ward and Sanders, do
you think will have the most successful NFL career, whether
it be starting backup or just playing for a long time.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I think there's a couple I would start with with McCord.
I think he's going to be a guy that just
you know, hangs around forever, you know, kind of like
Colt McCoy. Uh, that's actually my comp forum, you know,
is a Colt McCoy like player before the arm injury,
you know, and and McCoy was poised to have a
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good career and then the shoulder. You know, he just
never could. But he still had a great career, right,
I mean, especially for that. Uh and then Jaylen Milroe
I mentioned it. I mean, it's very hard to be
that good athletically and not get a bunch of chances
in the league, right, I mean, Trey Lance is still
hanging around, and he's been terrible. The one that I
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would say, like that's a Day three locker, or maybe
even like an undrafted lock, but who could be interesting?
Seth Innigan out of Memphis. You know, he's he's interesting
because he he tested really well at the Combine and
and he's been around, you know, for four years and productive,
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and he just is the type of guy that could,
in the right system, fit in and kind of just
hang on for a while. But yeah, I mean, I
don't really outside of the obvious, I just don't really
see anybody like I know, some people like Dylan Gabriel,
I'm like, eh, I'm not. I mean kind of reminds
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me of like Kellen Moore, right, like super accurate and
good in college, but not a guy you want to
bet on. I thought Riley Leonard did a nice job
at Notre Dame, but I don't. I don't see it
translating in the NFL at all. And then and then
some of these guys you know, didn't couldn't even make
it in college or make it consistently in college. So
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it'll be interesting to see how many go in the
first three rounds because after Warden and Sanders, I don't
really know who you look at and go, oh, that's
a guy that can can be a starter immediately.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
And if it would be nice to see us like
one of those small quarterback runs at the top of
the second round.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
But don't you think, because.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, that's just gonna push talent down for the core.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
That's going to push talent down for the Cardinals, which
would be fantastic.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
And let's with that. Let's let's move on to the
next position.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Coming to next on the Rise of Secret podcast, Bestar
Cardinals talk on the Well, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
We're going to bounce to tight end.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Also not a high priority for the Cardinals, but let's
have a look at that coming next. That's coming on
next on Riseups you read we're back on the Rise
of Hered podcast The Star Cardinals talk on the web.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Tight end will not be a priority.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It would be I would be shocked if the Cardinals
select a tight end on day one or day two,
but we were also shocked when Tray McBride was picked
and that worked out fantastically. There are two clear first
round talents at debt tight end this year, which is
Tyler Warren out of Penn State and Colston Loveland out
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of Michigan. Penn State and Michigan Big ten guys, and
don't both of them just look like can't missers. Warren
being more like I've heard he's he's the what the
more Gronkowski type impact because he could like in addition
to being able to make plays as a pass catcher,
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he is also big and fierce and will block, while
Colston Loveland is more stylistically the the Travis Kelce type,
moves very very well in pre like big time pass catcher,
but maybe a little bit less like more like more
the wide receiver tight end than the true tight end.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Yeah, and I've seen some interesting comps for both. Warren
you know, you mentioned it. He's he's kind of more
of the the full package type of guy. But you know,
at six six, two fifty seven, has shown the ability
to be a guy that is a high production type
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of player and one that can play with the volume
that you saw a guy like Trey McBride get this year, right,
Like that's how he was used at Penn State. So
that also brings a small worry with him, like how
does he work if he's not being forced fed the ball?
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I will say this, he has very short arms for
a size six five and a half two fifty six,
only thirty one and three fourths inch arms with a
seventy six and a half inch wingspan. So it's not
like he's like this freak athlete, but and not to
or not you know, this freak specimen, but and not
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to like go too on the nose here, but a guy,
you know, like I could say his low end and
this is a high compliment, So I don't, I don't
nobody takes this wrong way, but like could be kind
of a Friarmouth level guy, which to your point is like,
if that's what his you know, floor is, aren't you like,
(29:17):
oh yeah, sign me up. That's a that's a you know,
starting tight end in the NFL that's going to catch
sixty passes for seven hundred plus yards a year, right, Like,
who's going to complain about that? So yeah, so maybe
he doesn't reach the you know, the name I've seen
thrown out quite a bit that's really intriguing to me
because it was so long ago was Dallas Clark. I'm
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sure you remember Clark, Yeah, you know, and so and
so you look at that and you're like, okay, if
that's his scale, you know, Clark an all pro to
Pat Friarmuth just an incredibly consistent and solid tight end.
I don't think that's a bad thing, you know too.
And then you talked about Lovelin. You know, he's another
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guy just a hair under six six but came in
at under two fifty, not as not as long as
arms as you would like again for the size, but
a guy that's going to be able to consistently win
and produce. You know, I've seen a number of comps
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for him as well. One that that I like, that's
very you know, fair and mid level, because you know
that's where I try to always end up. A kind
of mid level. Is Tyler or not Tyler Eifer excuse me,
Tyler Higbee out of you know that the rams tight
end who, outside of being injured a little too much
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right has has put up really good numbers through.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
It for about a year and a half.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
He was really good, really good for about a year
and a half and after that, outside of that, he's
just simply been solidly productive.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
And so you look at that and that's you know,
if if that's where he ends up, that's a again,
that's a solid pick. And that's kind of what we're
talking about with this class, is that you've got a guy,
you know, in Lovelin, whose ceiling might be like a
Tyler Eifert, uh, you know who I think made a
couple of Pro Bowls and was you know, a really
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productive tight end for the Bengals during their during their
run with Andy Dalton struggled with injuries all the time
if you remember. But you know, but again, if you're
talking about a guy that's been around, that's that's going
to consistently perform and be good for a long time.
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I don't think those are those are bad. And then
you have the next tier of guys, which in any
other draft I think Cardinals fans would be like super
excited about because this this next tier of guys are
really they fit what the Cardinals do. And and you know,
if you want to say, you know need and I
don't think anybody thinks they need a tight end. But
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there's just a lot of a lot to choose from.
But you know, unfortunately, or fortunately, it's really not a
need for this team, right.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Right, I mean, the the the three tight ends that
they have at that they've got Trey mcbridey, got Elijah Higgins,
and you've got Tip Ryman. Now Elijah Higgins has been fine.
Tip Ryman looks really good in his particular role. The
fourth tight end could be anybody. They've got Travis folklok
a last all last year. But you know, something to
maybe think about is based on what they've gotten from Higgins,
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you maybe maybe if the board falls right and a
Mason Taylor or let's say this guy, Elijah Rojo happens
to be available and are are would you say those
two are the next two clear in this class with
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with Taylor and Arroyo.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, And and that's the hard part, right is you've
got guys like Mason Taylor, the tight end out of LSU,
you know, six five, two fifty one with good numbers
while he was there, and and then.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
From Arroyo, and and Arroyo who just was like was
the talk of the Senior Bowl And kind of isn't
he stylistic because Higgins played receiver in college and converted
to to tight and it's done pretty all right. But
wouldn't Arroyo be a nice Higgins replacement because they're not
(33:41):
going to pay like they probably won't though he's got
another two years under contract out this year next year.
But say you've gotten Elijah Royo as their number four,
you can let Higgins go and have another four years
of that sort of production for another really great athlete.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah, and I like Arroyal and I like the player.
My biggest question is he you know, he basically was
in and out of games for two seasons because of injury,
and so you know, his his freshman year he played
in twelve games, and then his senior he played in
all thirteen games, and then in the two years between
(34:23):
that he played in eleven games as a reserve, didn't
start a single game. And in those two seasons he
had six catches for seventy seven yards. And that's where
my concern comes in, is like, is that is that
something that the Cardinals where the need isn't exactly there,
is that something that they want to address on day
two because Arroyo is going to go on day two
(34:46):
barring you know, somebody flagging the medicals to the point
where it's like, oh, he's got to be taken on
day you know three. Because of that, you look at
the other guys like Harold Fan and Junior. He didn't
test well, but he kind of fits into that mold
of what you're talking about with with Elijah Higgins, right.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I mean definitely.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He is kind of built like six', three so he's
more of the move tight end six three two forty,
one more the h, back which is kind of how
they Use they Use higgins right, on one of the
more athletic ones in terms of. Movement no one at
the combine like knocked the socks off of anyone that
wasn't this. Class, no but but he does have some
(35:30):
good like he moves really. Well if you look at
some of the some of the NUMBERS a six nine to,
seven three, cone four to seven and forty that it
was everyone else there, was it felt, like at least,
physically isn't the entire tight end class after the top
four or five pretty much the same guy. Built they're
all built six, four six five two fifty plus with
(35:55):
moderate athleticism four sevens four eights in the forty is
the like who would? Be is there anyone that stands
out like For day, three is any particular skill where
like anyone Like ryman last year who was one who
was a fantastic blocker and two very.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Athletic BECAUSE i.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Can see The cardinals going On day three getting a
guy who could compete With Travis Folko bullock and but
is there.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Anyone or are?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
They are they pretty much the tight ends that The
day three tight ends more or less kind of the same.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Guy the one that's intriguing to me Is Aronde gadson
out Of. Syracuse he was a receiver and then he
switched over to tight. End he had sixty one catches
for nine hundred and sixty nine. Yards you, know his
first year is a tight. End then he had a
list fronc injury and then came back or sorry in
(36:48):
twenty twenty, three and then came back this year and
was third team Apl american at tight. End had seventy
three receptions for nine hundred and thirty four yards and seven.
Touchdowns was AN nfl wide receiver if you remember the.
Name so the athleticism is, there and he's put on
like good, weight six,' five two hundred and forty, three
(37:10):
pounds moves, really well had really nice jumps at the at.
The combine he's the ONE that i would look at
because he's kind of a receiving tight. End only and
so that is a guy that would be intriguing to
me because you would get Him on day three and, you'd,
(37:30):
SAY okay i don't need to worry about him. This year,
you know if we have to use him in Spots,
for elijah weren't a. Good spot, YOU know a later day,
Three Guy jackson hawes Out Of, georgia tech, you know
fits more in Like The tip rhineman type of role
(37:55):
where you'd, be, like, oh okay he, can block and
he'll try to murder you while he's. Blocking you not
a whole lot. Of production, but again like, you said
he wasn't a. Good athlete he wasn't a. Bad athlete
he was just kind of a very average athlete Transferred,
from yale but he really really good blocking. Tight end
(38:17):
so you've got a, guy THAT like, i said if, you're,
like hey round six and oh we don't really have
anybody on our board that, we love this is a,
guy that, you know could could end up being a,
you know our tight end three and give us another
Look with tip as. A blocker like that's not a.
(38:39):
Bad thing the interesting, thing IS and i wanted to
get your opinion. On this, you know we're talking obviously
quarterbacks and now, tight ends and we're going to talk
about running backs in. A moment from those, position Groups
the cardinals have met. With one does that surprise you
or is it just a real of how their roster
(39:02):
is constructed at this time that it's not really. In
need so, you know they're going to do, their homework
they're going to have have these names on, the board
but it's just such a low priority that it would
have to be such a disparity between, you know let's
just go Back To harold Fan and junior right at
at that seventy, whatever pick it would have to be
(39:23):
such a disparity between him and, you know the best
guard or defensive tackle if they haven't addressed those positions
that it just. Seems, unlikely yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
It feels, that way especially like seemingly more.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
This year they're they're like their pre draft visits have
been so heavy on first round guys and so heavy
on the defensive front that you're thinking they're just trying
to figure out which one of these, to go as
opposed to a lot, of times like pre draft meetings
that you, have here like through thirty meetings are also
(40:03):
in some ways early recruitment or undrafted. Free, Agents, right
yeah they say we really, like you maybe with, a
bit but but it gets those visits kind of like recruiting,
in college out of, high school, those visits especially late
(40:24):
in the draft and especially when you get to the priority.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Free agents that's how you can, stand out.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Is because they've they've built a little bit of relationship,
with you with, the team because those undrafted guys get
to sign with whomever, they want and that's that's the.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Major difference, BUT.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, I mean i like seventh, round pick and the
several of the mock Drafts that, i've run my seventh
round pick has been either a running back or tight
end in almost every case because they're guys that you
can get, and like they can compete with A More
sorry demarcotto is we're going to talk about running backs in,
(41:02):
a Second, or okay they can Compete With travis vocalik
to be the fourth running the fourth tight on.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
The roster, vocal like who's?
Speaker 3 (41:07):
You mind he was active for exactly one game, last
season and but he was on the.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Roster of the. Entire year so he's a guy that they.
Clearly LIKE but i wouldn't say.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
That theirs but if, if truly if they truly believe
that he has some, developmental future then they can they
can say we don't need a tight end unless we
actually love, a guy because we've got four guys on
the roster we like and and even if one guy
goes down with, an injury you've got three guys that
you're comfortable. With playing so maybe that's the.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Case.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Too uh let's move, on then talk about the running
backs the position we might see. Them take that's coming
next on the rest of Here Podcast Best Are cardinal's
talk On.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
The web let's talk about the running backs in. This
class let's.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Come a next on the Rest of sered back On
the Rise of, Secred Podcasts Bestar cardinals talk On. The,
web ah talking, Running backs i'll, Say, this uh doesn't
matter what running backs go in the first. FIRST round
i don't think that there is a chance in hell
That the cardinals were taking.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
A running back before.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Day three, you know they Got Their, james connor They
Love trey benson that they Talk About trey benson like
they expect him to be an impact player. This year
they've got their special teams GUY In. Dj dallas so
their top two spots. Are set and so if you're gonna,
draft it, you know typically you're not going to Draft
(42:27):
a day two guy Or a day one guy to
be special teamer slash third down. Running back and so my,
point LIKE when i think, running back the only spot
that they're going to be looking at right now is
a third down guy or who has upside or a
(42:51):
special teamer who. Has upside but that's what, those Are
always day. Three guys but, before that how many back do?
You think is it going to be just the two
that is going To be Ashon Gentin O marion hampton
or do you think a third might make it into the?
Speaker 5 (43:06):
First, ROUND no i think it'll be just. THE two,
I mean I Guess travion henderson's picking up. Some steam
he's a really interesting guy that, you know as, you
mentioned if there weren't, you know three guys already on
the roster that fit you could look at if he
did fall to that forty. Seven range, but uh Gent
(43:30):
and hampton seem like locks to go on. Day one
henderson's going to be an intriguing guy to Follow because
henderson's kind of the lost guy in this in this class,
TO me, i mean you're talking about a five star
running back who only just did everything for four Years At,
ohio state, never complained shared, the load and produced at
(43:54):
an insane, insane level like the whole time and never
really like, was, like hey WHY am i not the?
Guy right like WHY am i not getting all? The
touches and and so you know he's he's the one.
To watch and then on day two you've got, you
know just another really really well rounded set. OF guys,
(44:19):
i mean, you know Whether it's henderson that kicks it
off or from there his, running back you know mate
At At, Ohio State, quenching judkins who, you know burst
onto the scene as kind of the freak At At
ole miss and put up these absurd numbers as a,
true freshman and then everybody kind of went out on
(44:40):
him because he didn't have a great year the. Next
year but then he Went To ohio state and put
up over a thousand yards and was kind of the
was the thunder to the Lightning From. Travon henderson, you
know he's a guy that that makes a lot. Of
sense on, day two then you have the kid Out
of iowa that some, were saying, you know could have
(45:03):
been at the top of the class and just never
really lived up to. The billing and but you look at,
you know the size and the production at at a School,
like iowa and, You, go okay this is a guy
that is, insanely, BIG right i mean six foot one
(45:26):
two and twenty four pounds, long arms and then was
just average with his speed but not bad for, his
size kind of calmps out to like a to like a,
You Know nagy harris. Type guy And remember harris went
in the first round and carved out a really. Nice
(45:49):
career maybe he hasn't hit as well as People, at
hope but he's he's been. Really good and then, you get,
you Know To, cam skataboo who, YOU know i know
some fans, are like you gotta draft him if he's
there with your third.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Round, pick, NO no i don't think he's. GOING before
i don't think he's gonna go before. Day, Three HONESTLY
i'm I Love. CAM skataboo i, love HIM and i
think he could be could be a pretty good running
back IN. The nfl but in, this class I'D be
(46:27):
i would be surprised if he goes before.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Day, three Yeah and i'm, with you, YOU know i
don't think. So Either but i've seen some, interesting comps,
you Know like i've Seen A jalen warren COMP which i,
don't hate, You Know and warren's carved out a really
nice career for Himself, In pittsburgh and wouldn't it be
Fitting for cam to go be like the lead backup
(46:51):
to established back and then and then people be kind
of yearning to see More Of camp scattaboo for for
four years like they Have For. Jalen, warren yeah and.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Would be that and so.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
And so, you know he's a, you know but he's on.
THE List, dj giddens the running back out of Out Of,
KANSAS STATE. R, J Harvey, damien martinez like all these
guys are probably going in that, same, range right and
so it's it's just kind of like the tight ends
after the, top two it's really and we could probably
(47:29):
Throw even henderson. In there after the, top three it's
kind of a pick, Your Flavor like Judkins and johnson
are the big big backs that are gonna run run. Over,
You uh you've got Guys like Giddens and harvey and
and uh the kid Out Of, virginia Tech Remember tutt
Toot and tutton that was lightning fast at. THE combine
(47:51):
i think he ran like a four three yeah fo three,
Two yeah and so, you know, You're, like, okay uh
sign me up. For THAT but i mean a guy,
like him AND like, i Said like giddons at two
twelve running a four to, Four, three like all of
these guys to, your point are kind. Of interchangeable it's
just a matter of like what you need and where
(48:12):
you want to draft them in order to kind of.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Where.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
They fit and, you know we've seen Guys Like. Trey mason,
you know that's A comp i've seen For uh tutt
and the guy THAT if I was tutton's want, To
know martinez is one. To KNOW but i Really think
martinez ends up on day three or on day two
(48:39):
in kind of like the whole mush or mesh of people,
because he's, you know just a shade under six foot
and two hundred and seventeen pounds and then ran a
four or five. To one, you know that's that's a
big guy that, can move the One that i'm really
kind of keeping my. Eye on and he was again
(48:59):
another GUY that i feel like is the forgotten guy
in this draft but really kind of tested Similarly To
james connor and all. That stuff obviously never had the
health Issues that, connor Had But olie gordon Out Of
(49:20):
oklahoma state right just, under yep just under six two
two twenty six ran a four, Six one so people, be,
like oh he's not, that fast, but man this was
a dude that was really hard to tackle when he
was a. True freshman and then just everybody kind of
seemed to forget him because he he, you know he
(49:41):
Played At, oklahoma state and they all of a sudden
sucked right like out. Of Nowhere, oklahoma state all of
a sudden was. Just terrible and so people now, are,
like oh he's he's not, you know he's not, good
enough wasn't. Athletic enough it all Caught.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Up tom that was that was a year.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
After that he led college football and rushing and touches
in twenty, twenty three.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
And wasn't he Like nineteen.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
That's.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
That's crazy it's seven over seventeen hundred yards averaging six
point one yards. Of carry it dropped to four point
six this. Last year but in some ways in terms
of like one year to, the next it reminds Me Of. True,
hubbard now not the, same player wan't the, same School
but hubbard was like the nation's leading rusher and then
(50:35):
the next year, was yeah he was pretty good and
he kind of was forgotten this and turned into a.
Productive guy, but yeah if, you, want like if you
want a guy on day three like that who is
kind of a, like built like like he's kind of
a clone of one of your, OTHER backs i.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Like.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
That me i've got three names to watch because of
their potential. Skill set NOW. R, j harvey like he'll probably,
get drafted but he's a guy if he were, to
fall because he offers the the.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
The flexibility in the.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Passing game if he were to fall the DAY three
I Would But lequent allen Had a syracuse uh and
also QUIETLY who i think he'll be pretty productive in.
The pros but you know the Way Go George. Trevor
etn he there's, nothing outstanding does That stand like he's,
(51:33):
not big he's almost five, to nine he's five nine
one ninety eight the athletic four four two thirty five,
inch jump and but we. Know etns they, can move
they can catch, the ball. You know so if there's
guys that if you're looking for his, skill Set Like,
MARTIN demarcato i will. Say This so Martin de marcado
missed the end of, the.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Season with the. Back injury THEY Love I.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Mario demarcado we don't know what his status is with,
the back so they might need they might needed or
how he comes back, from that they might need a
third down back. Like THAT So a TREVOR Atn A,
LEQUIN allen i think are our names that would be
interesting Late in and we just found Out from Justin
(52:14):
mill over At The. Draft Network phil maffa Is pro
clemson is a Guy that cardinals have had pre draft virtual.
Meetings with dude's giant six foot two thirty Four And
rush rover one thousand yards is last Year, for clemson
so that's another. Big guy we don't have the testing
on HIM from. I did i didn't see what his
pro day stuff. Looked like but, you know the names,
(52:34):
LIKE that i think are ones to kind of pay,
attention to ones that, you know our, special teams dogs
or returners or.
Speaker 5 (52:45):
Of passame right that. Offers something and, you know going
Back to gordon, real quick one of the biggest like
PLUSES and i know people are gonna, be, like well,
who cares but he's like fantastic and.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Pass protection so that's perfect because then you get then
you get someone who can catch, the ball who can
who can, pass protect and has upset as. A runner
that's exactly what, you want where, you know if you're
down a running back, or two you don't feel like
like When de marcado had to start, a game you felt,
pretty good like he was good.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
In his role when he had. To start he has, a, rookie.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Right and that's kind of what you're, looking for and
so you know it'll. Be interesting but to your, EARLIER
point i don't think they even draft one like. That's
true the only ones we know About, are skataboo who
was a, local visit and the one you just Mentioned
from clemson who just.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Saws the kid Out our.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Arizona too and what's interesting is Because with skataboo and.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
The Cross crosskey merrit out of u, of, a yeah
they actually used to they used top thirty on then
they weren't just the local.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Pro day they used top thirty On And krosskey merrit's
an interesting one too because he had the eligibility issue.
Last year he's shown At The shrine BOWL that i
think that might be a guy late in the draft.
Speaker 4 (54:03):
Round seven or or.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
Even undrafted, but yeah those are the guys that are
that are interesting to pay attention to that seventh. Round
pick let's, BE honest i it could as long as
they don't draft. A quarterback, I'M like i, don't like
they don't need to draft. A quarterback but if you
get a seventh round, tied end if you get a
seventh round, Running back i'm not gonna feel bad about
it because you're gonna be looking at a particular skill
(54:28):
set and and you could you could have SOMEONE Be
dj dallas and beat. Him out you could have Someone
Beat imarnie demarcado out and it won't feel like a
waste of.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
A pick so, but yeah that's Kind of, i'm like
if they draft.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
A, RUNNING back i Think on, day three it'll be
a something to offer something in the past game. That
can that can that's Gonna be demarcado or someone to compete.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
With, Him correct i'm.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
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be where we kind of play around with the direction.
They go if they go this position in, round one
what will they do the rest of the way and
we kind of play. Around That maybe Seth and i'll
have a handful of mocks to kind of, Play with but,
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