October 15, 2022 • 25 mins
In this episode we discuss a disagreement between Christian youtube hosts Marcus Rogers and Ruslan. Both are very popular and have a big following but let a disagreement over current events affect the Christian community lead to name calling and more. We discuss this and provide our opinions on whether this was a discussion that should have been made public and any ramifications from it. Join in on the discussion and let us know your thoughts.
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Hey everyone, and thank you forlistening to this week's episode. My name
is Valencia and my name is Kia, and this is the Truth Diarist.
This podcast has been brought to youby way of Truth Evangelistic Ministries. Our
hope is to see people gain hopefor their future, establish their faith in
God, and build upon their foundationin Christ. We share our personal struggles,
(00:20):
trials, and thoughts as we navigateon this faith journey with Jesus Christ.
So today we're going to be havingan open discussion about the Marcus Rogers
and Russlyn conversation they had between thesetwo Christian men on YouTube. Valencia,
you shared it with me and weboth looked at it, and I think
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we will both agree that it gotpretty heated, pretty interesting too. There
was a lot of things going onregarding tone, context, and subjects of
which these two men were discussing.So I wanted to open up and ask
you specifically about a certain part whereMarcus asked Ruslyn if he wanted to pray
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before they got deep into the conversation, and Ruslyn basically glosses over that question
and never prais, do you feelthat Ruslyn made a conscious decision not to
pray with Marcus at that time,or do you feel like it was just
an oversight on their parts. Soyou can easily say that it might have
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been just an oversight with Ruslyn kindof glossed over the fact that Marcus wanted
to pray before they started the conversation. But I think that it was more
that he made the conscious decision notto because, like anyone, and Christians
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are no exception, when you're upset, you know, you don't want to
hear reason. You know, youknow a lot of times are upset,
you have somebody there just try tocalm you down, or you know,
try to tell you the right day. You know, I do it to
you w WJDA with Jesus. Still, sometimes when you're upset, when someone
defends you, you just want toget that out. You don't want to
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hear, oh, let's pray oryou know, calm down. That sometimes
just makes it worse. So tome, I believe that he he made
the constant decision that at that pointhe didn't want to pray, He just
wanted to, you know, getwhat he wanted to say out. He
wanted to let Marcus know that,you know, he was offended and you
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know, basically make his point.I'm sure that you know, he would
definitely say that it was an oversightor he didn't hear it, which you
could definitely make that argument because he, like I told you after you know,
we watched this, he definitely camein hot, so I don't know
if he heard anything Marcus was saying, so you could easily say that it
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was an oversight. But I justbelieve that it was a constant decision not
to pray in that moment because hewas too mad, you know, which
is why I think in those momentsyou should probably you know, calm yourself
down, or you know, makemake sure it was in private before putting
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that out there. That way youdon't have to apologize later. You're more
calm, and you could you know, they could have maybe prayed and it
would have helped in that situation.But because he came in so upset,
offended her or whatever, he didn'twant to listen to reason. And I
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feel like at that moment he wasn'ttrying to play pray, He wasn't trying
to trying to hear that. Ithink Marcus uh was more was more calm
when he came in. I thinkhe was upset too, but when he
came in, he was more calmand he was more willing to me in
my opinion, to listen to reasonthan the Russler was. So after listening
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to this ussion, I look througha little of the comments just on Rusalan's
page, and there were a fewpeople, you know, basically taking size
as which I knew this was kindof on a deal. But the ones
that I that really caught my attentionwere people that saying they deleted to social
media because of things like this,you know, because you know, arguing
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amongst the Christians and stuff and thestuff that they don't want to see.
And there a lot of them weresaying that it was disheartening. And I
know Marcus when he started, whenhe put the video out, he said
that he feels these type of discussionsare healthy. Do you believe these this
was a healthy discussion? And also, how did you feel about, you
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know, others being turned off prettymuch? You know, I can actually
kind of agree with what that personwas saying in those comments. It is
disheartening, uh to see members inthe Body of Christ arguing like they were
doing, because I believe they werearguing, and it was well beyond a
simple discussion. I don't think Marcuswas accurate in that. I believe that
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because it wasn't a discussion, andit very much came off like an argument
between two Christian men. I don'tbelieve that these types of things are healthy.
It's not healthy among the body ofbelievers. It's not healthy for the
unsaved to look at because it doesnot promote unity at all. And I
believe wholeheartedly that that was not theintent of this discussion after a while,
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because it seemed like, in myopinion on Marcus Roger's side, that it
was just about winning the argument.It was about winning favor with people,
winning the discussion, getting Russelyn tosee his point of view on things.
And I think a little bit fromRusselyn's camp too. Not quite sure what
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that guy was on that other screen, but I just feel like that person
in that comment was quite right.I don't think I would go as drastically
as deleting my social media because ofthings like this, because simply you just
can make a decision to turn itoff or don't look at it ever again,
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or follow these two men. Butfor the most part, I do
agree with their position because these twomen were arguing and it did not promote
unity at all. We even seethat Rucalie made a comment that he does
not endorse or promote or suggest MarcusRogers's YouTube channel or his teachings just because
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of his refusal to make absolute statementson things that he believes in and some
things that he has made comments thathe contradicted God's word. So with all
that being said, I just feellike, you know, this video in
general did a really bad job justpromoting God, failed to promote unity,
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failed to even come to a resolution, because I don't believe that there was
a resolution at the end of thisvideo, which is counterproductive of its original
intent. I don't think I canblame anyone for being turned off by this
type of discussion or argument that thesetwo men were having. I think if
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anyone was turned off, I wouldreally have to agree with them, because
I was turned off as well.And I'm a Christian. I was able
to see, you know, bothsides of the ball there. But you
know, I was thinking having thatlittle friend or whoever that other person was
the third person in the video,you know, they should have really played
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more of a mediator role in thatjust for the purpose of avoiding people being
turned off, avoiding you know,seeing people disheartened over Christians arguing over these
types of things. And I'm notsaying people won't have arguments. I'm not
going to say people not going todisagree or have a difference of opinion,
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but it should always have a purposeand a motive that's greater than you know
yourself. So I think, youknow, when Paul addressed or confronted Peter
about his swaying people away from thetrue Gospel message, and that's recorded and
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the Book of Acts in the Bible, it wasn't for the purpose of,
you know, embarrassing Peter, oreven because Peter hurt Paul's feelings or anything
like that. Nothing like I believeit is the nature of this discuss today.
But I think it was because byPeter continuing teaching or showcasing beliefs that
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are contrary to God's Word would leadmany people or shrey. And I think
that if Russlyin and Marcus Rogers hadthat same mindset going into it, I
think they would see a little bitmore positivity coming from the listeners and the
viewers of this video instead, mostof us are pretty much left disheartened and
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completely turned off by it. Sothe premise of this argument or discussion that
we kind of pick up on inthe very beginning, and I'm pretty sure
it's a little bit deeper than that, but the conversation seems to be based
on a comment Ruslyn called Marcus aheretic and Marcus's response or comment to Ruslyn
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by calling him in fake. Sobased on that, do you feel that
this video and general was necessary forthese two men to do, And if
so, what do you believe thatit accomplished for the listeners and the viewers.
So I definitely don't believe that inlight of what this whole argument started
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from, which was basically, youknow, Ruslyn being called faith by Marcus
and you know whatever Marcus you know, called Ruslyn, them taking shots at
each other. I think this issomething that could have been settled in private.
Maybe they you know, because theycame in, well, Ruslyn came
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in so mad. Had they hadthis private conversation, they got everything they
wanted out and it could have beenheated at that moment, but no one
would have known but them. BecauseI'm not gonna say that just because you're
Christians, we don't have arguments.You definitely do things still offend you sometimes,
you know, you do lose yourtemper. It's it's not something that
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we should do. We shouldn't,you know, get that angry to that
point where you know we're called eachother names or whatever it may be,
and you know we have to apologizelater. But it happens because we're human,
So you can't you know, youcan't help it when something takes you
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to that point. So I won'tyou know, kind of judge it or
criticize them because they were upset orbecause he you know, was upset to
be called a fake. I'm sureyou know, me and Yukia have had
moments where someone called you something outof your name or out of your character
that made you get upset. ButI just think it's something that you handle
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in private. You know how theyhad that discussion everything they wanted to say
in private, uh and maybe hashit out and then went to the public
to let them know. It wouldhave definitely been more productive to me to
hear that, you know, whatmade them angry, them having that discussion
and them hashing it out, themhash it out and coming to an agreement
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because you know, they don't wantto cause any any division or amongst you
know, the people that watch them, because you know, I watch a
lot of you know, Marcus videos. I don't watch so much of Rustling.
I've seen some of his stuff,but he has a lot of followers,
so I'm sure he has content onthere that's you know, people should
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watch as well as as Marcus.You know, stuff that's that definitely is
insightful that you know, what Christiansshould watch out for, you know,
things that are going on. Soyou don't want to cause division where people
have to now pick sides as towho to watch, because that's what happens.
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You know, people who just watchRussian's channel, you know, they're
they're prone to side with Ruslyn,you know, are they're not gonna watch
Marcus in channel now and vice versasthose who watched Marcus won't watch Rucelyn because
they feel like and that's not all. There are gonna be some that are
gonna continue to watch both if theyhave something on there that's you know,
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worth checking out or that's insightful.Uh, they're gonna make that decision to
you know, watch watch the channelbecause like me, and you know,
we don't have any loyalty to eitherperson. It's just based on the subjects
that they you know, they talkabout that are interesting. So this argument
wouldn't stop me from watching either oneof them if they had something on there
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that you know, it's worth checkingout. But some people are like that
where they feel like they have totake sides or that they're gonna take sides
because they're loyal to a certain person. And so now you have people who
like Marcus that might sign on somegood stuff that Russely has and vice versa,
advice versa. I mean, soit definitely is you know, horrible
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that they they did this in avery public matter because I just don't see
what how it was helpful, howit was something that you know, other
Christians, how it builds up thekingdom or as they as they said,
they try to make contact that's gonnayou know, build the kindom. But
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I don't see how that is isdoing that by showing an argument between them
two something that we shouldn't even beenin the middle of to take size.
This is the argument between them too. So I just think that they should
have should have hash it out inprivate. I know, There's some people
that say that because they were calledout in public, this is something that
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should have been done in public,But I just don't agree with that.
People have disagree was all the time, but I just still think that it's
something that you know, the worldhas to say because you do do you
get some people who are turned offby it, you know, because they
see two Christians that are supposed toyou know, be on uplifting you know,
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other Christians teaching, you know,helping those that are new in the
faith with whatever, and now yousee them arguing with each other and just
acting, you know, like theworld. And again I'm not saying that
because you're a Christians you shouldn't argue. I'm just saying that it's it's just
something this particular argument was it somethingthat, in my opinion, should have
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been done in the public. Theycould have scrapped this, you know,
and they would have been better justhearing how they were able to overcome this
and you know, hash it outand or now you know, telling people
to keep watching each other's channel,you know, and pretty much sticking together
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some type of unity, you know, cause you see a lot of different
a lot of division. More morethese days than you do, you know,
being united, and I think that'swhat definitely should have happened. Has
said, so I don't feel likethis was something that should have been put
out. I definitely think it shouldhave been hashed out in private. Hi
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strong and effective personal relationship with theLord is important. So I think this
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whole discussion started over Marcus saying thatcertain music can open up, like open
you up to the bod experience hspirits. And also he was referring to
a lot of what's going on withMaverick uh City, Maverick City music.
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And I think Ruslyn on his pagetook a different position more I guess the
political, politically correct answer and uhMarcus basically called him fake and other Christians
who take those type of positions.So do you feel that there are certain
stances we should all agree on asChristians and take a stand on, and
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was this one of them? Thisis actually one of the things, very
few things I actually agree with MarcusRogers on and not Ruslyn. I believe
that Marcus, albeit may be alittle bit more Kurt, I believe that
he was right in his position aboutyou know, what happened with Maverick music.
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They've been in the news quite oftenin twenty twenty two. I don't
know about twenty twenty one, buttwenty twenty two with many different things that
really are not conducive or appropriate fora christ fearing person or group to partake
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in. And I believe that Marcus'sposition on that was quite accurate. I
do feel that there are certain stanceswe all should agree on and take a
stand on as Christians, because ifwe don't take a stand on what the
Bible teaches against and goes against,then I believe that that's when the devil
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uses it to cause a stumbling blockin our way. And I believe that
if we continue to open doors forhim to come in, he's going to
come in. Right. My dadalways said that, you know, you
let the devil ride with you fora long time, eventually he's going to
want to drive right. So thepurpose of the point is that you can't
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give any place for the devil,right. You can't give any place for
any person, any music, anygroup, no matter how popular they are,
to take root and continue on abad behavior without addressing it, addressing
it against the word of God.Because if we continue to allow it and
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don't take a firm stance on thingsand don't speak up, then I believe
that's when the devil really gets inthere. I think that's when we see
Christians in society together promoting something thatthe Bible, God has himself explicitly talks
against. So there was this longstretch of time during their discussion where Rucelyn
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was asking Marcus pretty straightforward in directquestions civilian say, my question to you
is that did you feel that Marcuswas dancing around some of those direct theological
questions that Ruce Lynn asked him insteadof being absolute and firm, specifically when
he asked Marcus about his beliefs andposition of the Trinity. Yeah, it's
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funny with Marcus, you know,I do feel like he was kind of
dancing around that subject where they weretalking about, you know, the Trinity.
Does he believe in the Trinity?And you know, his whole thing
was the Trinity is not in theBible, you know, or and then
he went on to say other wordsthat people talk about, I think,
oneness and stuff that's not in theBible. But he never just came out
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and said yes or no. Andthis is something that he kind of gets
to on other people about Lucraze,for instance, I see a lot of
videos where he talks about him andother celebrity Christians who were there ask these
you know, tough subjects that theybasically don't stand firm, they don't make
a you know, a decision.And I felt like that's the same thing
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he was doing with this whole uhyou know, trinity thing. If you
don't believe in it, rather it'sbecause of the word or whatever, just
say that. You could definitely goon after that and make your point as
to why. But I feel like, you know, he definitely was trying
to dance around it. He wastrying to pretty much more defend himself before
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even answering you know, what hebelieved in. And you know, you
can't get on you know, otherpeople about it if you don't do it
yourself. So I do feel likeI do think that him Ruslyn and the
other Guybri Katta double team in himon it. But I do feel like
he never gave a direct yes orno answer as to why or what he
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actually you know, believe or madehis point. So I do think he
danced around that that subject and someother subjects in there that they were trying
to, you know, bring upthings that you know a lot of people
call you know, markus out forbecause of his beliefs. But that was
definitely a moment where he could have, you know, stand firm and told
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his position, and he really didn'tdo that. He danced around there.
He you know, this is thereason why you know, he used a
lot of scripture, but never reallyanswered it directly in my opinion. Lastly,
what do you think, in youropinion, if anything UH dis resolved?
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You do you think anything was resolved? And did you think any of
this glorified God? Absolutely not.I don't think any of this glorified God,
because I checked out Marcus's comments aswell, and what I saw was
a lot of his people calling Russelynblind and you know, basically he's not
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saved and all these things. AndI really err on the side of caution
when it comes to really speaking aboutsomeone's salvation, cause quite frankly, we
don't really know, right But seeingthe comments, you know, on Marcus's
you know, video that he posted, and you seeing the comments and things
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like that, I think truly thatthere there was no resolve. You know,
there was no resolution. There wasnothing productive, helpful, edifying about
this video. And I think thatthese guys really need to take a look
at their communication skills, because itgoes well beyond being able to have a
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fluent UH dialect or dialogue, andI think it comes a lot with listening.
And I think that these two menreally failed at doing so. You
can tell quite obvious that on theonset that they really wanted to get their
point of cross and really let theother one know that their feelings were hurt.
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And I don't think that really,at the core of it, it
had anything to do with God.I think it had basically a point to
prove, and these two men failedto even prove that point. The point
that they proved is that to theunsaved that even Christians arguing and they don't
have their stuff together, they don'teven agree, and even to other Christians
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that it is disheartening, just likethat one person said, and they delete
their social media, quite frankly,putting them in a position where they do
miss out on the good things thatare happening on social media. That does
glorify God. So no, Idon't think any of this glorified God because
it wasn't about him. Quite frankly, I think it was about these two
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Hey everyone, and thank you forlistening to this week's episode. My name
is Valencia and my name is Kia, and this is the Truth Diarist.
This podcast has been brought to youby way of Truth Evangelistic Ministries. Our
hope is to see people gain hopefor their future, establish their faith in
God, and build upon their foundationin Christ. We share our personal struggles,
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trials, and thoughts as we navigateon this faith journey with Jesus Christ.
So today we're going to be havingan open discussion about the Marcus Rogers
and Russlyn conversation they had between thesetwo Christian men on YouTube. Valencia,
you shared it with me and weboth looked at it, and I think
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we will both agree that it gotpretty heated, pretty interesting too. There
was a lot of things going onregarding tone, context, and subjects of
which these two men were discussing.So I wanted to open up and ask
you specifically about a certain part whereMarcus asked Ruslyn if he wanted to pray
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before they got deep into the conversation, and Ruslyn basically glosses over that question
and never prais, do you feelthat Ruslyn made a conscious decision not to
pray with Marcus at that time,or do you feel like it was just
an oversight on their parts. Soyou can easily say that it might have
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been just an oversight with Ruslyn kindof glossed over the fact that Marcus wanted
to pray before they started the conversation. But I think that it was more
that he made the conscious decision notto because, like anyone, and Christians
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are no exception, when you're upset, you know, you don't want to
hear reason. You know, youknow a lot of times are upset,
you have somebody there just try tocalm you down, or you know,
try to tell you the right day. You know, I do it to
you w WJDA with Jesus. Still, sometimes when you're upset, when someone
defends you, you just want toget that out. You don't want to
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hear, oh, let's pray oryou know, calm down. That sometimes
just makes it worse. So tome, I believe that he he made
the constant decision that at that pointhe didn't want to pray, He just
wanted to, you know, getwhat he wanted to say out. He
wanted to let Marcus know that,you know, he was offended and you
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know, basically make his point.I'm sure that you know, he would
definitely say that it was an oversightor he didn't hear it, which you
could definitely make that argument because he, like I told you after you know,
we watched this, he definitely camein hot, so I don't know
if he heard anything Marcus was saying, so you could easily say that it
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was an oversight. But I justbelieve that it was a constant decision not
to pray in that moment because hewas too mad, you know, which
is why I think in those momentsyou should probably you know, calm yourself
down, or you know, makemake sure it was in private before putting
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that out there. That way youdon't have to apologize later. You're more
calm, and you could you know, they could have maybe prayed and it
would have helped in that situation.But because he came in so upset,
offended her or whatever, he didn'twant to listen to reason. And I
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feel like at that moment he wasn'ttrying to play pray, He wasn't trying
to trying to hear that. Ithink Marcus uh was more was more calm
when he came in. I thinkhe was upset too, but when he
came in, he was more calmand he was more willing to me in
my opinion, to listen to reasonthan the Russler was. So after listening
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to this ussion, I look througha little of the comments just on Rusalan's
page, and there were a fewpeople, you know, basically taking size
as which I knew this was kindof on a deal. But the ones
that I that really caught my attentionwere people that saying they deleted to social
media because of things like this,you know, because you know, arguing
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amongst the Christians and stuff and thestuff that they don't want to see.
And there a lot of them weresaying that it was disheartening. And I
know Marcus when he started, whenhe put the video out, he said
that he feels these type of discussionsare healthy. Do you believe these this
was a healthy discussion? And also, how did you feel about, you
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know, others being turned off prettymuch? You know, I can actually
kind of agree with what that personwas saying in those comments. It is
disheartening, uh to see members inthe Body of Christ arguing like they were
doing, because I believe they werearguing, and it was well beyond a
simple discussion. I don't think Marcuswas accurate in that. I believe that
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because it wasn't a discussion, andit very much came off like an argument
between two Christian men. I don'tbelieve that these types of things are healthy.
It's not healthy among the body ofbelievers. It's not healthy for the
unsaved to look at because it doesnot promote unity at all. And I
believe wholeheartedly that that was not theintent of this discussion after a while,
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because it seemed like, in myopinion on Marcus Roger's side, that it
was just about winning the argument.It was about winning favor with people,
winning the discussion, getting Russelyn tosee his point of view on things.
And I think a little bit fromRusselyn's camp too. Not quite sure what
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that guy was on that other screen, but I just feel like that person
in that comment was quite right.I don't think I would go as drastically
as deleting my social media because ofthings like this, because simply you just
can make a decision to turn itoff or don't look at it ever again,
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or follow these two men. Butfor the most part, I do
agree with their position because these twomen were arguing and it did not promote
unity at all. We even seethat Rucalie made a comment that he does
not endorse or promote or suggest MarcusRogers's YouTube channel or his teachings just because
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of his refusal to make absolute statementson things that he believes in and some
things that he has made comments thathe contradicted God's word. So with all
that being said, I just feellike, you know, this video in
general did a really bad job justpromoting God, failed to promote unity,
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failed to even come to a resolution, because I don't believe that there was
a resolution at the end of thisvideo, which is counterproductive of its original
intent. I don't think I canblame anyone for being turned off by this
type of discussion or argument that thesetwo men were having. I think if
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anyone was turned off, I wouldreally have to agree with them, because
I was turned off as well.And I'm a Christian. I was able
to see, you know, bothsides of the ball there. But you
know, I was thinking having thatlittle friend or whoever that other person was
the third person in the video,you know, they should have really played
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more of a mediator role in thatjust for the purpose of avoiding people being
turned off, avoiding you know,seeing people disheartened over Christians arguing over these
types of things. And I'm notsaying people won't have arguments. I'm not
going to say people not going todisagree or have a difference of opinion,
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but it should always have a purposeand a motive that's greater than you know
yourself. So I think, youknow, when Paul addressed or confronted Peter
about his swaying people away from thetrue Gospel message, and that's recorded and
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the Book of Acts in the Bible, it wasn't for the purpose of,
you know, embarrassing Peter, oreven because Peter hurt Paul's feelings or anything
like that. Nothing like I believeit is the nature of this discuss today.
But I think it was because byPeter continuing teaching or showcasing beliefs that
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are contrary to God's Word would leadmany people or shrey. And I think
that if Russlyin and Marcus Rogers hadthat same mindset going into it, I
think they would see a little bitmore positivity coming from the listeners and the
viewers of this video instead, mostof us are pretty much left disheartened and
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completely turned off by it. Sothe premise of this argument or discussion that
we kind of pick up on inthe very beginning, and I'm pretty sure
it's a little bit deeper than that, but the conversation seems to be based
on a comment Ruslyn called Marcus aheretic and Marcus's response or comment to Ruslyn
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by calling him in fake. Sobased on that, do you feel that
this video and general was necessary forthese two men to do, And if
so, what do you believe thatit accomplished for the listeners and the viewers.
So I definitely don't believe that inlight of what this whole argument started
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from, which was basically, youknow, Ruslyn being called faith by Marcus
and you know whatever Marcus you know, called Ruslyn, them taking shots at
each other. I think this issomething that could have been settled in private.
Maybe they you know, because theycame in, well, Ruslyn came
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in so mad. Had they hadthis private conversation, they got everything they
wanted out and it could have beenheated at that moment, but no one
would have known but them. BecauseI'm not gonna say that just because you're
Christians, we don't have arguments.You definitely do things still offend you sometimes,
you know, you do lose yourtemper. It's it's not something that
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we should do. We shouldn't,you know, get that angry to that
point where you know we're called eachother names or whatever it may be,
and you know we have to apologizelater. But it happens because we're human,
So you can't you know, youcan't help it when something takes you
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to that point. So I won'tyou know, kind of judge it or
criticize them because they were upset orbecause he you know, was upset to
be called a fake. I'm sureyou know, me and Yukia have had
moments where someone called you something outof your name or out of your character
that made you get upset. ButI just think it's something that you handle
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in private. You know how theyhad that discussion everything they wanted to say
in private, uh and maybe hashit out and then went to the public
to let them know. It wouldhave definitely been more productive to me to
hear that, you know, whatmade them angry, them having that discussion
and them hashing it out, themhash it out and coming to an agreement
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because you know, they don't wantto cause any any division or amongst you
know, the people that watch them, because you know, I watch a
lot of you know, Marcus videos. I don't watch so much of Rustling.
I've seen some of his stuff,but he has a lot of followers,
so I'm sure he has content onthere that's you know, people should
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watch as well as as Marcus.You know, stuff that's that definitely is
insightful that you know, what Christiansshould watch out for, you know,
things that are going on. Soyou don't want to cause division where people
have to now pick sides as towho to watch, because that's what happens.
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You know, people who just watchRussian's channel, you know, they're
they're prone to side with Ruslyn,you know, are they're not gonna watch
Marcus in channel now and vice versasthose who watched Marcus won't watch Rucelyn because
they feel like and that's not all. There are gonna be some that are
gonna continue to watch both if theyhave something on there that's you know,
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worth checking out or that's insightful.Uh, they're gonna make that decision to
you know, watch watch the channelbecause like me, and you know,
we don't have any loyalty to eitherperson. It's just based on the subjects
that they you know, they talkabout that are interesting. So this argument
wouldn't stop me from watching either oneof them if they had something on there
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that you know, it's worth checkingout. But some people are like that
where they feel like they have totake sides or that they're gonna take sides
because they're loyal to a certain person. And so now you have people who
like Marcus that might sign on somegood stuff that Russely has and vice versa,
advice versa. I mean, soit definitely is you know, horrible
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that they they did this in avery public matter because I just don't see
what how it was helpful, howit was something that you know, other
Christians, how it builds up thekingdom or as they as they said,
they try to make contact that's gonnayou know, build the kindom. But
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I don't see how that is isdoing that by showing an argument between them
two something that we shouldn't even beenin the middle of to take size.
This is the argument between them too. So I just think that they should
have should have hash it out inprivate. I know, There's some people
that say that because they were calledout in public, this is something that
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should have been done in public,But I just don't agree with that.
People have disagree was all the time, but I just still think that it's
something that you know, the worldhas to say because you do do you
get some people who are turned offby it, you know, because they
see two Christians that are supposed toyou know, be on uplifting you know,
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other Christians teaching, you know,helping those that are new in the
faith with whatever, and now yousee them arguing with each other and just
acting, you know, like theworld. And again I'm not saying that
because you're a Christians you shouldn't argue. I'm just saying that it's it's just
something this particular argument was it somethingthat, in my opinion, should have
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been done in the public. Theycould have scrapped this, you know,
and they would have been better justhearing how they were able to overcome this
and you know, hash it outand or now you know, telling people
to keep watching each other's channel,you know, and pretty much sticking together
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some type of unity, you know, cause you see a lot of different
a lot of division. More morethese days than you do, you know,
being united, and I think that'swhat definitely should have happened. Has
said, so I don't feel likethis was something that should have been put
out. I definitely think it shouldhave been hashed out in private. Hi
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everybody, this is Nikia, theco host of the Truth Diaries podcast,
my ministry partner and co host Valencia, and I want to thank you for
checking out our podcast. If youhave missed any episodes, feel free to
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thank you for your ongoing support andprayers as we continue to speak truth and
encourage others. And there's our passionto be able to proclaim God's words to
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the world. Proclaiming the Gospel isthe very heartbeat of Way of Truth evangelistic
ministries. And there's our passion inlife to help Christians discover the next crucial
steps and their walk with the Lord. We hope that this ministry gives insight
into those steps and also provides aricher meeting and explanation on why having a
strong and effective personal relationship with theLord is important. So I think this
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whole discussion started over Marcus saying thatcertain music can open up, like open
you up to the bod experience hspirits. And also he was referring to
a lot of what's going on withMaverick uh City, Maverick City music.
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And I think Ruslyn on his pagetook a different position more I guess the
political, politically correct answer and uhMarcus basically called him fake and other Christians
who take those type of positions.So do you feel that there are certain
stances we should all agree on asChristians and take a stand on, and
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was this one of them? Thisis actually one of the things, very
few things I actually agree with MarcusRogers on and not Ruslyn. I believe
that Marcus, albeit may be alittle bit more Kurt, I believe that
he was right in his position aboutyou know, what happened with Maverick music.
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They've been in the news quite oftenin twenty twenty two. I don't
know about twenty twenty one, buttwenty twenty two with many different things that
really are not conducive or appropriate fora christ fearing person or group to partake
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in. And I believe that Marcus'sposition on that was quite accurate. I
do feel that there are certain stanceswe all should agree on and take a
stand on as Christians, because ifwe don't take a stand on what the
Bible teaches against and goes against,then I believe that that's when the devil
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uses it to cause a stumbling blockin our way. And I believe that
if we continue to open doors forhim to come in, he's going to
come in. Right. My dadalways said that, you know, you
let the devil ride with you fora long time, eventually he's going to
want to drive right. So thepurpose of the point is that you can't
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give any place for the devil,right. You can't give any place for
any person, any music, anygroup, no matter how popular they are,
to take root and continue on abad behavior without addressing it, addressing
it against the word of God.Because if we continue to allow it and
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don't take a firm stance on thingsand don't speak up, then I believe
that's when the devil really gets inthere. I think that's when we see
Christians in society together promoting something thatthe Bible, God has himself explicitly talks
against. So there was this longstretch of time during their discussion where Rucelyn
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was asking Marcus pretty straightforward in directquestions civilian say, my question to you
is that did you feel that Marcuswas dancing around some of those direct theological
questions that Ruce Lynn asked him insteadof being absolute and firm, specifically when
he asked Marcus about his beliefs andposition of the Trinity. Yeah, it's
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funny with Marcus, you know,I do feel like he was kind of
dancing around that subject where they weretalking about, you know, the Trinity.
Does he believe in the Trinity?And you know, his whole thing
was the Trinity is not in theBible, you know, or and then
he went on to say other wordsthat people talk about, I think,
oneness and stuff that's not in theBible. But he never just came out
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and said yes or no. Andthis is something that he kind of gets
to on other people about Lucraze,for instance, I see a lot of
videos where he talks about him andother celebrity Christians who were there ask these
you know, tough subjects that theybasically don't stand firm, they don't make
a you know, a decision.And I felt like that's the same thing
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he was doing with this whole uhyou know, trinity thing. If you
don't believe in it, rather it'sbecause of the word or whatever, just
say that. You could definitely goon after that and make your point as
to why. But I feel like, you know, he definitely was trying
to dance around it. He wastrying to pretty much more defend himself before
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even answering you know, what hebelieved in. And you know, you
can't get on you know, otherpeople about it if you don't do it
yourself. So I do feel likeI do think that him Ruslyn and the
other Guybri Katta double team in himon it. But I do feel like
he never gave a direct yes orno answer as to why or what he
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actually you know, believe or madehis point. So I do think he
danced around that that subject and someother subjects in there that they were trying
to, you know, bring upthings that you know a lot of people
call you know, markus out forbecause of his beliefs. But that was
definitely a moment where he could have, you know, stand firm and told
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his position, and he really didn'tdo that. He danced around there.
He you know, this is thereason why you know, he used a
lot of scripture, but never reallyanswered it directly in my opinion. Lastly,
what do you think, in youropinion, if anything UH dis resolved?
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You do you think anything was resolved? And did you think any of
this glorified God? Absolutely not.I don't think any of this glorified God,
because I checked out Marcus's comments aswell, and what I saw was
a lot of his people calling Russelynblind and you know, basically he's not
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saved and all these things. AndI really err on the side of caution
when it comes to really speaking aboutsomeone's salvation, cause quite frankly, we
don't really know, right But seeingthe comments, you know, on Marcus's
you know, video that he posted, and you seeing the comments and things
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like that, I think truly thatthere there was no resolve. You know,
there was no resolution. There wasnothing productive, helpful, edifying about
this video. And I think thatthese guys really need to take a look
at their communication skills, because itgoes well beyond being able to have a
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fluent UH dialect or dialogue, andI think it comes a lot with listening.
And I think that these two menreally failed at doing so. You
can tell quite obvious that on theonset that they really wanted to get their
point of cross and really let theother one know that their feelings were hurt.
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And I don't think that really,at the core of it, it
had anything to do with God.I think it had basically a point to
prove, and these two men failedto even prove that point. The point
that they proved is that to theunsaved that even Christians arguing and they don't
have their stuff together, they don'teven agree, and even to other Christians
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that it is disheartening, just likethat one person said, and they delete
their social media, quite frankly,putting them in a position where they do
miss out on the good things thatare happening on social media. That does
glorify God. So no, Idon't think any of this glorified God because
it wasn't about him. Quite frankly, I think it was about these two
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