THE COMPROMISING CHURCH

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Hey everyone, and thank you forlistening to this week's episode. My name
is Valencia and my name is Kia, and this is the Truth Diarist.
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hope is to see people gain hopefor their future, establish their faith in
God, and build upon their foundationin Christ. We share our personal struggles,

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trials and thoughts as we navigate onthis faith journey with Jesus Christ.
Okay, so today we're going tobe talking about the compromising Church. We're
going to look back on some ofthe more hot topics and events that has
occurred in twenty twenty two, maybeeven a little bit before then too,
really to show how much compromising thechurch, Christians and Christ's followers have done,

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even just in the past year.This is in hopes and full disclaimer,
not to bash anybody, but reallyto call it what it is.
Okay, just seeing a lot ofChristians compromising nowadays. But we want to
look back with our listeners and ourviewers, Valencia on some of the most
recent events that has occurred in thepast year to see where we're at as

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a body of Christ and were quitefrankly we need to end up, so
Valencia. One of the things thatI see over the last many years,
actually, but more so even inthe last year, in the year of
twenty twenty two, is that thechurch seems to be compromising around this one

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topic, this one question regarding theLGBTQ community. Now, this is a
very hot topic, and it remainsa very hot topic even throughout all these
years. But it's also a topicand a question that often stumps members of
the church. I want to showyou this clip. I think it's Kurt

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Franklin, I think TD Jakes,and maybe some a couple other people,
but it's surrounding that same question aboutthe LGBTQ community in same sex marriage.
I want you to let's look atthis video. What is your thoughts on
homosexuality in Christianity. I don't knowif it's against the church. I just

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do know that there are some biblicalthings as it pertains to everybody has their
own particular theology, and I'm gonnasay that, you know, some people's
theology has evolved as it pertains tohomosexuality being in the church, and when
you study the Bible, you wouldknow to notice that that was a problem

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or was an issue in the churchin days vote anyway from a scriptural standpoint.
But every church has a different opinionon the issue, and every gay
person that's different. Now I'm gonnasay that, you know, some people's
theology has evolved first, right asyou're thinking involved on this evolved and evolved.
My position is, you know,I'm a heterosexual man. I believe

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in you know, a man anda woman being together. I'm not going
to say, nor will I everput anybody in heaven or hell because of
what they decide to do, becausethat's a God decision. Well, then
we're talking about same sex marriage anda lot of people in the church are

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in conflict with this. How doyou feel about same sex marriage? Well,
first of all, how I feelabout any topic. I think it's
going to be really minute. Ithink that's been the big problem is that
I think that as Christians, asthe Church, we've come across like the

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we've come across like the police.You know, you know what comes across
like you know where the spirit ofit it feels like the world police.
So you know, whatever my lensis, it's always going to be trying
my best to see something through whatI believe is going to be God's word

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and not God's word, and andand and and in the essence of dogma,
you know, because things can comefrom a very homophobic lens, and
sometimes it feels very homophobic when peopletry to make their their their their their
stance and their beliefs, and youknow, I mean that's been some very
painful, ugly things that have beenbeen said throughout this is that that have

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not always been in the essence ofa heart for Christ. And so how
I would always sum it up,whether you're talking about any issue that that
people want to know, what doesGod's world say about it? This is
the one that I always want tostand on. In the Book of Romans,
it says for there is none righteous, not one, Okay, so

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you don't have a problem with it. I believe that if the Bible costs
anything, as saying, it's listedin the same category as you would list
pride, as you would list hate, as you would list any other thing.
And so that's why I say thatwe're all in the same part together.
Why do you think a lot ofthe Christians nowadays or the Church nowadays,

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seem to be compromising and stumbling onthis particular subject and this particular question
for a lot of Christians, orfor some Christians to answer the question on
the LGBT topic, that's because they'reafraid of the backlash that are come with
that, especially mainstream Christians because oftheir platform. I feel like they don't

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want to lose their audience. Youknow, they don't want to lose those
subscribers. They don't want to riskusing losing the likes that's going to come
with actually answering that question truthfully basedon the Bible, which we know that
you know, engage it on homosexuality. Gay Engaging on homosexual behavior is a

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sin. So in saying that,you're gonna turn off a lot of people,
especially nowadays when it's so prevalent,seeing that on every TV show,
you know, everywhere you go.It is kind of, you know,
right there in our face as faras the you know, LGBT community.

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So I think that a lot of'em don't wanna f don't want their fear
of losing their audience, so theykind of dodge that question or talk about
a sin that's not as controversial,one where they can answer truthfully and you
know, no one's gonna really sayanything about it, you know. And
I think that a lot of theseyou know, secular people on these shows

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that you know get a Christian ontheir or even some of the Christian shows,
this is the one question they wannaask, cause, especially the secular
people, they wanna the people inthe world they want to know, you
know, how we're gonna answer,and a lot of times, unfortunately,
we give them what they want andwe compromise or you know, don't answer

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at all, don't really give thata complete answer. And you know,
I just think that, you know, we have to be able to you
know, not dodge those questions,but to answer. And it's not you
know what the world would like tosay that it's you know, unloving if
we you know call uh homosexuality uha sin, you know, it's not

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about the individual. It's about youknow, what they're engaging in, dislike
someone who lies. You know,we're all sinners. So it's just that
this particular question is the one thatpeople seem to ask a lot. They
don't ask questions on, you know, ones like murderer or you know,
lying, because you know, weall could agree that's a sin. But

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it's this particular topic which is homosexualhomosexuality. That seems to be the question
everyone wants to know, you know, how we feel, how Christians feel
about it. And you know,even some churches, you know, they
don't want to answer this question either. A lot of their pastors because they

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don't want to lose their you know, congregation. They don't want to use
their people coming into coming into thechurch. You know, they don't want
those seats empty with fear of losingthem by an by saying that it's a
sin. So they want to leteveryone know that. You know, they're
they're welcome. Everyone's welcome, whichis true, everyone should be welcome to

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church, but you still should bepreaching on sin, and that is a
and homosexuality is a sin. Andyou know, it would be really unloving
for us to not tell people thatand to make them believe that, you
know that it's not a sin.That is okay that you know, uh,

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you know, keep doing what you'redoing. You know, God loves
you anyway. I think the wordthey the slogan they like to use is
you know, love is love,and you know we know that's not true.
God is love and you know,it doesn't mean that there's no hope
for those that engage in that behavior. You know, it's like I said,
as a sin is a sin.There's no worse than the person that
lies or gambles or or whatever itis. It's so it's just a sin.

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There's no levels to it. AndI think that's what a lot of
people, that's the misconception is thatif we say that you know it's a
sin, that you know, wewe have to be s stay away from
that person because of that they engagein that behavior. You know, I
work with people who are you know, who gauge in homosexual behavior. I

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don't treat them any differently than anyoneelse. You know, it would only
come down to like I had aco worker who was and you know I
used to talk to him by thetime night sty uh be even identified as
a Christian. But that's a that'sanother story. But you know I didn't
treat him any differently now and whatI was working with him, he was

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actually engaged. Now, had Ibeen invited to the wedding, now that
would have been different. That's whenI would have had to say that,
you know, that's against my beliefs, that I wouldn't be able to go
but as far as like this,you know, coming out you're a sinner,
you know, I can't can't bearound you because you're saying or something
like that, or you know,like basically forcing it down their throat that

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they that what their doingans is sin. No, that's different. It's only
if I, you know, wherewere to be asked that question, that
where I would have to you know, tell them the truths, you know,
just saying that, you know,it's against my beliefs. It's casting
people jobs. You know. Itwas somebody I believe on ESPN. I
forgot the name of the reporter right, and he said just that and he

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ended up being let go for MESPN. They let him go by saying that
I see people who post like scriptureon their on Twitter about you know,
homosexuality, and they were labeled asit was labeled as hate speech. You
know, people Christians that are losingtheir businesses because they are sending they won't
take on you know, like Ibelieve it was like a bakery and they

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it was a same sex marriage.They came into his business wanting him to
you know, do the uh bakercake, and he wouldn't do it because
it was against his beliefs. Ithink they actually what the court. I
believe he won. But you know, you could potentially lose your business and
stuff. So it comes with alot of it can come with a lot
of backlash. It can't come withwith persecution. But you have to be

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willing to, you know, toface that. I know for me that
you know, I'd rather stand withGod to be judged by the world than
to be judged by God. Soyou know, I would have to,
you know, stand firm and Ibelieves, and you know, face that
potential backlash or persecution or losing viewersbecause the real ones will will stay around.

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They will you'll basically weed out thosethat are true Christians, you know,
and you know by telling them thetruth. You know, why let
people mislead people? It says inyou know, First Corinthians six nine to
twenty. You know who would inheritthe kingdom? And you know homosexuals are

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not on that list, So youknow, why why potentially lie to them
or are dancing around that question insteadof this answering it truthfully and just calling
a sin a sin. And again, it doesn't mean that you don't love
that person at all. It tome it means that you do by being
able to tell them that it isa sin, you know. So I

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just feel that there needs to beyou know, it's cause we need to
stop dancing around that and just youknow, caut where what it is.
Another reason I think may be hardfor people to you know, answer that
question or talk about that question couldbe that they have people in her family
that are engaging in that behavior,maybe their son, daughter, you know,

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wh whoever it may be, andit's a fear maybe of losing them
by you know, saying that you'renot going to you know, engage in
that behavior or or or tolerate thatbehavior or let them know that it is
a sin. And they don't wantto turn off or potentially lose their their
child by by saying that. Sothat could be another reason too. I

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know in the church that that Iwent to a United it was a lady
that I served with and I foundout that her daughter is and they completely
basically they compromise, you know.They they don't say anything about that be
behavor, you know, or anythinglike that. I think there's a lot

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of Christians that may do that becausethey feel like they are being loving by
accepting them for who they are.Again, it's not the worst sin,
but it is a sin. AndI feel like us as Christians need to
stop, you know, d answeraround that question and that topic and just
answer it truthfully and you know,we joice to be glad and any backlash

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or persecution we may face, youknow, because we're doing what's pleasing,
pleasing a God and you know,great as a reward in heaven. One
way I've seen a compromising church intwenty twenty two has been through Christian YouTubers.
I've seen a lot of Christian YouTubersthat are basically making excuses, are

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not going as hard on some oftheir stances against some of the popular uh
Christians out there that are maybe puttingout fallse doctrine or whatever it may be.
But a lot of them, mainlyRusslyn who we who we've watched,
they won't go as our because theystill want to have that door open for

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them to maybe come on your showand kind of get those viewers. They
don't want to you know, potentiallylose likes or subscribers or lose the chance
to have them on the show tohelp with their YouTube channel. So the
question I wanted to ask you isyou know, what are your thoughts on

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some of these Christian YouTubers who arecompromising for like to subscribers, and do
you see this happening with our channeland how can we prevent that? Well,
that's a very interesting observation, andI know me and you kind of
shared a lot of this as wetalked offline, but I will say it's

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very annoying from my perspective my opinion, to really kind of see some of
these Christian influencers on YouTube or anytype of social media platform compromising for some
likes and some shares just to beatthe YouTube algorithm. I think that's very
disheartening to witness as a fellow Christianbecause at the end of the day,

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it's not about the likes or theshares or beating the algorithm. It's about
proclaiming the truth. You know,I feel like this, if God gave
you something to do right on whateverplatform he gave it to you to do
it on, that He's going todo what he needs to do for that

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to come to fruition right. Sobasically he's in charge. God gave you
a gift, he gave you apurpose, he gave you a plan and
we must, quite frankly, justexecute it. I think where it's disheartening
the most is when we see peoplelike Ruslan and Marcus Rogers, even Alan
par this on one of his videos, that it's easy to get sucked in

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into trying to get and beat thatalgorithm on YouTube and also to do things
for likes and shares, you know, the clickbait thing. And it's disheartening
when not only when you do it, but when you don't recognize you're doing
it right, or even doing iton purpose. And I think that's what
we're kind of seeing with Ruslan onhis channel, even Marcus Rogers when he

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first started out, you know,he very much tagged and talked about like
Lecree and some of the more wellknown people at the time just to get
people looking on his channel. Andsince then he's been he's been kind of
you know, wacky, to beperfectly honest, and uh more recently we've
been checking out Ruslan and his contentand you know, quite frankly, it's

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the same thing. Like you said, Valencia, I don't see Ruslan talking
too much against Lucrae and we've talkedabout on here, even just in this
video. Some of the questionable thingsLacrae has engaged in, even Kurt Franklin
and other people in which Ruslan reallydoes not address. And I think that

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is the case because again, likeyou said, he wants to keep them
people around, He wants to keepit in his back pocket. He want
to make sure he can use thatsame name to boost up his likes,
his subscribers, his views, sohe can beat the YouTube algorithm too.
Now my thing is this, andI know a lot of people might disagree,
but if that is not the case, if Ruslan and Marcus Rogers or

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any other Christian YouTuber or influencer isnot doing that, then why do we
see people reluctant to tell the truthabout their fellow brother or sister when they
are engaging in un christ like behavioror sin. You know, I don't
care, I don't even care ifit's you, Valencia, if you are
sinning, I'm gonna let you knowyou are sinning because I love you and

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I want you to do better.I want you to come out that sin
and stop crazy, and I wantyou to live authentically for God. And
I think that Ruslan by kind oftap dancing or not even really even addressing
it directly, especially when it comesto like La Craye and other music artists
that are out there that he loves. I think it's very sad and disheartening,

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to say the very least. Too. I think they're compromising because they
want to beat the algorithm. Theywant their channel to probably get the most
likes, in most shares, mostviews, so they can be top dog.
And I really believe that's the case. I remember looking at one of
Ruslan's videos not too long ago,and I think me and you both saw
it. He even said that heinterviewed gosh, I don't even even know

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if it was Alan Parr or somebody, and immediately after that his views blew
up. In fact, he evenhe gave a number on where his where
his subscribers were before he did thevideo and discussion with this person, and
where it was after it. SoI think, you know, really,

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Ruslan specifically and maybe even Marcus Rogersspecifically, are exposing themselves really as they
are talking. We started out inthis journey making sure that we're not clickbaity,
that we're not talking about people inwhat they're doing in the church,
just so we can get more likes, views, and subscribers. That's we

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don't want to. I don't carenot We don't care about the YouTube algorithm.
Quite frankly, we care about proclaimingthe name of Jesus Christ, his
gospel and the truth and just andhopes to see people live authentically for Christ.
That is it. That is it. We want people to come into
the knowledge of God through Christ Jesus. Now, sometimes that will take exposing

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people and their actions in hopes thatthey repent and that others will see that
this is not christ like behavior.But all in all, I don't don't
care about no YouTube algorithm like sharesor anything like that. And I think,
you know, Valencia, we havesuffered or have become stagnant or very
very slow paced and even building upour views on YouTube and other social media

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platforms because we're not using secular artistsor even Christian artists or influencers as clickbait
or means to gain more followers oranything like that. So I don't really
see us going that route that unfortunatelyour brothers and sisters in Christ have gone.

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And it's all glory to God rightbecause we were human to and I
think that as God keeps us groundedand humble and moving at this you know
pace that we're moving at, whichis again very slow, we're able to
kind of take time and really kindof look around a bit and look at

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the grace and the mercies of God. So I give God glory for that.
I know you do, and I'mreally thankful that we have been able
to stay grounded. As far aswhat we're doing on social media. I
think one of the ways to preventus forever going there or even other people

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that wanted use social media as aplatform to give God glory is to one
remember who purpose you to do thisright? Our foundation is Christ Jesus.
Anything that God has given us todo, it came from God. First.
God gives gifts to all of us, and he gives us the ability
to execute them. He gives usthe platform in which we stand. So

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I think as we continue to rememberthe person behind all that we do,
whether big, small, popular ornot, you know, I think that's
how you stay grounded. I thinkthat's how you prevent falling into that same
compromising trap that we're seeing a loton social media. Now, do you

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that's Way of Truth em dot orgslash donate. Thank you so much for
your support. Another way that I'veseen in the year of twenty twenty two
alone where Christians are compromising is andis through media social media. The Kray

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very famous Christian hip hop artists.He stays quite frankly in a lot of
line of fire, so to speak. But there have been several posts in
twenty twenty two that I seen thatthat were on christ like, and it
seemed to be that way. Onein particular is when he was with some

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members of the one one six Crew, and if you don't know, that's
basically members that is a part ofhis record label. But one of the
things that I'm seeing in this oneparticular posts with some of them were smoking
cigars. Now that some people mightsay, oh, that's not you know,
people can smoke whatever. There's anotherpost I've seen that Lacrae and his

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little hunting buddies. I'm not evensure if there was anyone else on the
one one six crew in that picture, but La Craye in particular, he
actually had a beer, and Ithink one of the captions or the description
of that post suggests that he wasendorsing, you know, drinking alcohol.
But as a Christian, you're endorsingcigars, smoking and alcohol, and again

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that's not very christ like a lotof Christians, you know. Again,
Kurt Franklin, just many other peopleon their social media pages, they are
creating it seems to be like aculture or or or a following in which
they can endorse bad, sinful unchrist like behavior year so well, Len's

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say, my question to you iswhat are your thoughts about this particular behavior
being displayed on social media? Andalso what do you think about people like
Lacrae and other social media influences toothat seem to be endorsing people to behave

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in these manners in which they aresmoking, drinking and cursing kind of like
Andy Minio as well, what areyour thoughts about that as far as like
a lot of the Christians now thatyou know, we're just in the news
and verstance Lacrae with the you know, the beer incident, the cigars,
you know, Kirk Franklin's been inthe news with controversial stuff. I just

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feel like disappointed, you know,because I just don't understand, you know,
how they're able to put this stuffout and then you know, be
offended when you know those some ofthe Christian audience uh says something about it,
you know, then they're offended orthey're trying to uh defend their actions.

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And you know, all throughout thecomments you just see you know,
unwavering support. And I do believe, you know, we should pray for
them, especially for it's something thatthey're struggling with. But I don't really
believe with a lot of these isstruggling. You know, they don't feel
as anything wrong with what they're doing. And you know lu Craye, for
instance, he you know, definitelypleads the victim a lot of times when

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people go after him. But youknow, even with the bear incident,
you know, that's something that hesaid in his songs that he struggles with.
So why would you even wanna bearound that or associated with something that
you're you've been public about, somethingthat you're having, you know, s
struggles with And why potentially cause someoneelse, uh to stumble by putting that

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out there? I it's just abad even though it's a bad look and
there's no conviction there. And Iknow we had a lot of these conversations
before getting You would say that,you know, there's no fear of God,
and you know, I would haveto believe that, But I just
don't understand how there could not befor a Christian? How do you not
you know, do these things andnot uh see anything wrong with them?

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And then you know, if youdon't see anything wrong with them, why
do you then you know, takeit down? Why take the post down.
If you feel like you're doing thisthere's nothing wrong with it, or
uh you don't think that, youknow, God would be displeased. Why
take the post down? Why notjust keep it up and uh go with
it? So, you know,I do see that they they know that

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it's something wrong with their doing,but there's just no there's no conviction that
there's no care. It seems likeand it's you know, it's it's happening
a lot with a lot of them. You don't see like, you know,
for instance, uh CC, youknow in the news like that,
you know, and she's you know, uh, very prevalent in the gospel

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communit be. He's still winning awardsand things like that, But you don't
see her in those controversies. Youknow, Toty Evans, you don't see
him in that. You know,someone else who's known to be putting out
things that are kind of you know, uh controversial, is Dietrich Hadding.
You know. I I just recentlyseen him on uh Instagram. I think

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it was Instagram Live where him andhis wife were like eating his candy.
I forgot what type of candy was, some type of chocolate, but it
had grown in it, and youknow he's making a joke, you know,
you know it's just okay Saints orsomething like that, where he's he's
eating his candy and just saying,don't eat a lot of it, you
know, so he thinks it's ajob to put this out. And I

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think it's you know, you seepeople in the comments supporting it or saying
how is nothing wrong with it,or even saying that they've you know,
had the same thing, eat thesame thing. So I just wonder,
you know, how the new Christianwould be feeling, you know, seeing
this, you know that's maybe confusedor has questions and he's hearing one thing

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that it's or he or she hearingone thing that is wrong, but then
seeing you know, their pastor orso when they listen to who's supposedly Christian
basically supporting things that the Bible wouldsay is wrong. You know. So

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I don't I just don't understand,you know, where the I just don't
know where the conviction is with them. And you do see a lot of
people that are out there, uh, just supporting it and feel like you
know again, you know, they'rethey become defensive because you have Christians out
there that are saying this is somethingthat you should take down or you know,
you shouldn't be doing this as apastor and things, and then you

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know they wanna say, you know, don't you shouldn't judge or or whatever
it may be. But it's justit's to me, it's just terrible to
see that there is no convention,uh conviction among these uh Christians that have
a big plat form that influence alot of people, and you know,
they're putting things out here that couldcause someone to stumble or stumble or could

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confuse some of the new believers thatare out there. And you know,
I know you should not follow Christians. You're you know, you follow Christ
which is definitely true. But still, you know, the being out there
in the public eye, having thisplatform you do have, you do have
the ability to influence in people.So you should definitely be you know,

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watching you know, what you putout there, because yeah, only God,
uh, only God can judge you. But that should be yeah,
cause only God can judge you,but that should be definitely concerning with some

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of the stuff that a lot ofthese uh, you know Christians are putting
out there. So you know,I'm just very disappointed and again it's just
a shame that new Christians have tosee that. Yeah, I agree with
you on that, Valencia, Isharing that same concern that you do.

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And like you said, you know, I think that whole only God can
judge me is a complete cop outand an excuse to continue doing willingly a
bad you know, a bad behavior. If only God can judge me,
then that is still something in itself. In fact, that's everything, because
if only God can judge you,you should be scared, okay, because

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God has the ability to to andact his wrath on a sinful person,
and he will. Let's not getit twisted. You know, those who
have not accepted Jesus Christ, andeven those in the Church that are willingly
and willfully and consciously doing wrong incommitting sin, God will judge them,

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and God judging every man, andhe will. You know, that's a
very intimidating thought that Almighty God,our creator and sustainer, is going to
judge every person that has ever walkedthis face of the earth. He's going
to judge them. And I thinkthat the church needs to wake up.

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You know, God is going tojudge. Only God can judge, well,
that is a scary thing. Okay, I'm scared, okay, And
I think a lot of more peopleneed to have that fear of God,
as you were talking about earlier,that you know, we should really really
take an account that God, Almighty, the judge, the rule of the
Supreme Sovereign God is going to judgeall mankind and Valencia also to your point

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too, I remember, I thinkit wasn't last year, but maybe the
year before that, twenty twenty one, that Derek Minor went on social media.
I believe it was. I thinkit was his Instagram at that time
that I've seen it on and hesaid something about I guess the ruling as
far as like the George Floyd orsomething. It was very he's derogatory terms.

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I can't remember exactly what he saidor used, but I remember it
being very derogatory, and I wenton there along with a lot of other
people and corrected him because as aChristian rapper or a Christian influencer, like
you said, you know, thattype of language that Derek Miner was using

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was not wholly definitely did not representChrist. And what did he do in
response? He blocked us. Heblocked the ministry off of his Twitter account
because we went on there too tryto correct the bad behavior and not to
embarrass anybody, but this is whatwe should be doing in the body of
Christ. We should be calling outsin, like you were saying, not

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in hopes that we ma isolate people, but that we may bring them to
repentance and in right standing and inright in mind in our efforts to try
to do that as far as likewith Derek Minor, you know, the
consequence of that was to get wewere blocked, banned and whatever else we
were as a ministry off of hisTwitter page. I mean, it is

(35:22):
what it is, but it's alsojust kind of shows what the church has
kind of come to, you know, as far as tolerating things that basically
we should not even be tolerating atall. So another issue that led to
compromising to a compromising church in twentytwenty two was the row Verse weed on

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verdict. There are many Christians thatwere outraged on this subject that the verdict
was overturned, and you see alot of them coming out speaking on it.
So what are your thoughts on topicslike this, politics, black lives
matters, even doctrine in theology thatwas divided in the church. Are these

(36:08):
topics that we should be all onone occore and what do you think the
Christian response should be on disagreements.Honestly me, Lindsia, I don't understand
why there are Christians out here thathave gotten upset about the overturning of Row
versus Wade. It amazed me actuallywhen I did see a lot of or

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some Christians outraged that the fact thatthey can't abort a child. It's probably
one of the saddest things I witnessedin twenty twenty two when that overturning occurred.
Actually was really surprised on a macrolevel that the government decided to overturn
it. But also if we reallythink about it, they all the government

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did, the Supreme Court did wasgive the responsibility back to each and every
individual state. So it's not it'snot necessarily overturning in which no one can
do it. They have the freedom, unfortunately, to go to a state
that does endorse abortion. The amazingthing is seeing the Christian people get upset

(37:20):
about the verdict. Because God createdlife. God is the creator and sustainer
of life. None of us Idon't care if you care. I don't
care if you carry a child ornot. You know, none of us
are the author of life or thecreator of life. Only God Almighty himself
is. And because he is theonly one who has created life in our

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creator, he's the only one thathas the right to decide whether or not
someone lives or dies. But withthat being said, I know a lot
of the I guess the controversy aroundroe Vosa's wade came with the women's rights
and the choice right, and Iknow a lot of people saw it as

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the government shipping away their right tochoose, you know, over their own
bodies. But let's put it whereit is again. God is our creator.
These bodies belong to the person thatcreated them. Abortion is murder,
Okay. The world can try toreconfigure and redefine terms like what constituted a

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child? What does a baby?Oh, embryo is not a living person.
How can we make such judgments againstit when the Bible says that God
created life. Life was given bythe life giver, who is God,
And God defines the terms. Godsets the standards, not mankind. And
I think that it's disheartening when wesee the church compromising just because of women's

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rights, just because the right tochoose, the right over the body and
everything like that. I have noright over this body because I did not
create me. Now there's some rightsthat I feel like I do have,
but at the end of the day, the ultimate authority in my life is
God himself. I remember we talkedabout this I think it was in twenty

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twenty one on one of the podcasts, especially when Black Lives Matters was at
its, in my opinion, alltime high after the George Floyd murder,
was that I don't I personally don'tendorse the Black Lives Matter movement because it's
intertwined with a lot of demonic thingssuch and it endorses abortion. But I

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understand some of the innocent factors regardingthat, like, yes, black people's
lives matter. But the problem Ihad with it, besides the evil that's
underlying a lot of what's going onin that movement, is I really witnessed
first hand a lot of people inthe black community who are in the church

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who were very angry at you know, the country's state of racism. And
I get it, Okay, Idefinitely get it as a black woman.
I definitely understand that. You know, I'm gonna get more personal. I
should say, if a if multipleblack women were murdered unjustly, because I

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identify specifically with being a black woman. So I get why a lot of
people in our community Valencia would getupset because it's who you identify with.
Now, while I know I ama black woman, I am a christ
following black woman. Christ comes firstin my life, and I think we're

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seeing a lot of those compromising Christiansbecause they are not identifying themselves as Christians
first. You know. I rememberyou posed a question during that time,
do you think Christ would engage inthe Black Lives Matter movement? And my
answer then, in my answer nowis no, only because again of the

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underlying things that are going on inthis movement that are wicked. But as
far as Christ being against racism onall counts and no matter what race,
absolutely Christ would definitely take a standagainst it. I don't know if you'd
be protesting and stuff, I don'tknow, but I think there's a balance

(41:28):
somewhere in there. You know,we can advocate and speak against you know,
racism on all levels, but wehave to remember that we are Christians
first, and Christ loves, Heunites and does not divide, and he
would not fight fire with fire.You know, he said, do good
to those who persecute you, Prayfor those who persecute you. Do good,

(41:51):
don't grow weary of doing good.So I think us Christians nowadays need
to stop compromising and succumbing to thepressures of society and remember that we have
a higher calling. In fact,I read in the Bible not too long
ago. I believe it in twoTimothy that Paul told young Timothy, who's
a pastor. He said, agood soldier does not entingle himself with the

(42:12):
affairs of this world. And it'snot saying that we shouldn't care, but
it should not be our ultimate concern. Our biggest problem in this world that
is manifesting through Black Lives Matter,and Rod versus Wade and a whole bunch
of other stuff, is sin.That is across the board, across many
races, ethnicities, nationalities. Issin. We all have a sin problem,

(42:34):
for all have sinned, and forall short of God's glory, far
as doctrine and the foundation of allthat the Bible teaches about, I think
we all should be on one accordwith that we're going to have differences of
opinions, unfortunately, and that wesee the differences of interpretations in God's word.
But I think when it comes downto doctrine and theology and what the

(42:55):
Bible specifically says, it speaks against, it speaks for, I think we
should be uncompromising in that. Andunfortunately enough, that's where our struggle lies.
People just want to continue to pushtheir agenda. Nothing is new under
the sun. They did this backwhen, and they're gonna keep doing it.
But I think for those who trulyare seeking the Lord and seeking to

(43:16):
do his will, seeking to learnand grow in the grace and knowledge of
Him, that you know, someof these things we should talk about.
We're not gonna always agree on something. Me and you don't always agree on
things either. But what we cando is be adults and women and people
and Christians who can accept the differencesof opinion and pray for those who we

(43:37):
know got it wrong. You knowthat God will correct them. Because there's
a lot of things I've gotten wrongin my youth and then my foolishness that
God has corrected me on, youknow, stinking thinking and things like that
I think the Christian response on disagreeingwould be to pray, honestly, is
to pray first and ask God forwisdom on how to handle the matter.

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If more people rely on the HolySpirit by praying first, that we will
see a great change how we interactwith one another and a great change on
how graceful we can disagree with oneanother as well. I want to thank
everyone for joining us and listening tous as we talk about the compromising Church.

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And this again is not too bashor you know, tear down any
specific person, any particular denomination orgroup of people. You know, we
all sin in far short of God'sglory. We all have a lot of
growing up and a lot of maturityto do in God's word. But this
is really to showcase where we areand how far some of us have shrade

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contrary to God's word, and hopesthat everyone will continue to strive to be
more christ Like. You know,none of us get it right on the
first time. I don't get itright on the seventeenth try. But God's
grace is sufficient and his strength ismade perfect in weakness. And I believe
that as we are open to theHoly Spirit correcting us and changing us.

(45:06):
That we will see that change notonly in our lives, but also in
the body of Christ. We hopethat you learned a great deal and we
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