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X O Nation. My first guest tonight is a Nicholas Jenics.
We're going to be talking to Nicholas about his new
book that has just come out, Amend the Beginning of
the Creation of God. Now, when was the first time
God was ever mentioned in a mankind's written history? Where
did the word amen as defined come from? What's its origins?
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What faith did it come from? Were Christianity, Judaism and
Islam all influenced by one culture that came long before.
Well joining me this hour to answer to this and
many other questions is Nicholas Jenics and Nicholas welcome to
the x Zone.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Well, thank you very much, Robin good afternoon. Tell me
thank you for having me on your X Zone radio show.
And it's an honor to talk with you. About the
history of God. I thank you. It's going to be
an interesting topic for many of your radio listeners now.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Now, Nicholas, when was the first time in recorded history
or that you know of the the word God was
ever used.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I would say, after many thousands of years, the God
that we know of today is very different from the
God that was first perceived by mankind thousands of years ago.
It was a gradual development, and in the kind of
research that I've come up with, I found that it
was basically an ancient Egypt over thirty four hundred years BCD,
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that the Egyptian priesthood had developed concepts of a hereafter
a soul. These are phenomenal ideas. Who ever first thought
about the concept of the soul in my mind? After
reading several books on Egyptology, I found that basically it
was the Egyptians. This soul was to go to a
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year after upon death, upon living a righteous life. So
it started gradually where mankind believed in many gods because
they worshiped so many different things, the sun, the moon,
the the onderful things on earth. They try to have
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some sort of reverence for. But as the years went by,
this belief in many gods became more of a personal belief,
and finally, by the time of I would say Ramsey
the Second, the priesthood of Ahmad came up with the
concept of one universal God. So it was a gradual development.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I always thought it was King yok Naughton who came
up with the idea of one God.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Amen Hotep the fourth is that is that Kuman King
Akh I pronounced that Amen Hotep the fourth. He was
the first Farroh who was on the throne for about
seventeen years. I think it was between thirteen seventy five
and seventeen years later. Somehow we passed away. I don't
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know the details of that.
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And welcome back everyone. My guest this hour is Nicholas
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objective is to reveal to people around the world that Judaic,
Christian and Islamic religious leaders must acknowledge that they all
pray to the same God, and his website is www
dot Future of God Amen dot com. Nicholas, where did
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your interest in this fascinating subject come from?
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Well, as a little boy, I always thought about God.
I wondered where they come from and had no idea,
but that there was something out there. So this curiosity
led me to go to I was raised as a Catholic,
but I went to Protestant churches and Methodists. I even
went to Jewish temples because I wanted to see how
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other people prayed to God, to God, and so this
curiosity led me to dig further. I started to read
books by religious scholars and egyptologists. In fact, for your listeners,
I would like to mention.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
At least five books, not at all, please.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
I found that they were very beneficial in really opening
up a lot of information about this wonderful subject. The
first book is Man's Religions by John Binoss that's NSS.
The other book is Man and His Gods by Homer W.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Smith.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
A third book is The Ghost Dance by Western Labar
that's B. A. R. R. And finally, the finest egyptologist
and most respected egyptologist there's James H. Brest. He wrote
a history of Egypt. And it was these books that
really opened up my mind to so much that I
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was able to connect the dots of this history about
how man can keep one universal God.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Let me ask you something here, is God real or
is God a creation of man's own mind? In order
to answer questions that at that time, way back when
he couldn't answer.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I think you've kind of hit it on the head.
I don't want to sound like I'm an atheist or
an agnostic. I believe that there is something out there,
but man has not been able to define that force.
I kind of call it a force that pervades the universe.
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Mankind doesn't even know how the first atom was formed.
We don't know even how Matta first thought it. They
talk about the Big Bang, but they have no idea
how the Big Bang itself consisted. It had to consist
of many atoms. Well, nobody even knows where the first
atom came from. So this is a quite a mind
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boggling idea. But I would say that theology is like philosophy.
Mankind tries to find answers to this very novelous question.
And I believe that what really happened in Egypt Here
is a civilization that was isolated from all all of
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its neighbors because of the deserts on each side of
the Nile River. It was like a human laboratory where
they developed a civilization on their own, without interference with
any other neighbors, any other races or people, and they
came up with I would say, morality that is astounding.
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In fact, of the Ten Commandments, the Egyptians already wrote
eight of them, it's not anymore. If people or if
your listeners we'd like to learn a lot about that,
they could go to my book. Actually, the first book
that we're really talking about is not Omen The Beginning
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of the Creation of God. That book is coming out
this September. The book that we're really discussing this morning
or this afternoon is The Future of God. Amen. This
was my first book. But basically it was the Egyptians that,
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in an isolated mode, they came up with morality in
order to live together. They were very spiritual people, so
spiritual that they developed these monuments and pyramids and temples
that are awesome, great works of art. And this is
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how the concept of God really developed.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
So it sounds it sounds, it sounds as if that
what I was, what I had said before was right
on that. You know, the the evolution of a deity
or a group of deities was created by mankind to
try to understand the world that he lived in it.
And is God necessary anymore? With the with the advents,
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with the advances that are being made in science, has
society outgrown the need for a God?
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Now, that's one of the topics and one of the
messages in my book, I believe that the scriptures of
the Judaic, Catholic, and musclem religions. These scriptures tore the
Gospels in the Qur'an. They were written thousands of years
ago exactly, and they were they were suited for people
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at that time with a certain morality and way of life.
But mankind has advanced quite a bit to the point
where we're at a next stage of moral and spiritual development.
And I am dismayed to see that the scriptures just
stay the same now. The Egyptian priesthood, they were astute
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and intelligent enough to rewrite their scriptures many times until
they came up with the concept of one universal God.
And I say, well, what we really need today is
a religious renaissance. Were perceptive people and loving hearts I
call them. I call them daughters and sons of God,
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people who could assist religious leaders in revising the scriptures.
I don't believe that scriptures should be in concrete. I
believe it should be a living document and change and
grow as mankind. The thoughts if we don't do that,
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And when I say we, I talk about all of
the people around the earth. And I'm so happy to
be able to be on your show because it allows
me to reach out to many listeners. I say it
is the people themselves that have to pressure and force
their religious leaders to unite the concept and belief in
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one God.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I believe that one of the greatest problems we have
today within the religious philosophies is ignorance. We are ignorant
of how the other religions and how the different philosophies work,
the inner workings of these philosophies, and it causes tension,
it causes hate, it causes mistrust, and it's about time where,
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you know, people started to respect each other's religions, better
understand them so that we can progress to the next level.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Robert seems that you're on the same wavelength as I.
You say exactly the words that I reflect in my book.
I have read the Scriptures, the Toil of the Gospels,
and the Kuran line by line. Yes, and I found
that in these documents or scriptures there are abominations that
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really cause bigotry, violence, and the killing of innocent people
around the world. Yeah, go ahead, I was.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Going to say the way that I see it, religion
was not only a way to explain what people knew
or didn't know back in the early ages. But it
was also a way for those in power to control.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Well, that's another theme in my book. It seems that
you're picking up these themes. I don't know if you
read my book already, No I haven't. You do have it?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
No, no, I said, no, I don't. These are my
personal beliefs and feelings about religion.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
Well, you hit it right on the noose. Frankfully, I
believe that the religious leaders and ruling the faris of
each country, they use religion to control the minds of men,
control them so that they can have power, wealth, be
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aggressive and capture the riches of other countries. And this
could be avoided. But the reason it has not been
avoided is that they allness the word of God. And
this was something that I came by accident as I
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read all of the scriptures. In the Last Gospel of John,
this was the one gospel where it was Jesus Christ
who emphatically announced the word of God three times. And
it was not a thou shalt command. It was a
command where responded to where he practices his commands by saying,
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I command you to do what, And that was to
love one another. For me, that is the word of God,
love one another. It's ruling authorities and religious leaders which
follow that one command. Then the people by loving one another,
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all the brothers and sisters throughout the earth, in every country,
then there will not be this bigotry and killing them
one another. But as I say, as you bring out
the ruling authorities and religious leaders, do not emphasize this
one command by Jesus Christ, the word of God love
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one another.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Stand by, please, Nicholas, you and I have to take
our news. Break out the bottom of the hour. Ex ohnation.
I guess this hour is Nicholas Jennis. He's the author
of A Future of God Amen, a call to daughters
and their sons. His website is www dot Future of
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Speaker 4 (23:03):
And welcome back every one. Nicholas Jenics is our special
guest to this our www dot Future of God, Amen
dot com and Nicholas. It seems that when you look
back in history, that all the trials and tribulations and
all the battles that we have had throughout history because
of religion were senseless because they're battling over the same god.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Exactly. This is the thing that I also mentioned in
my book one of the messages is that because their
roots really came from the Egyptian civilization, were all men.
The greatest Egyptian God that existed since the year two
thousand BCE has had a pronounced influence on the development
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of the Hebrew religion. Of course, the Catholics came next,
and the Islamic Muhammad pretty much adopted many of the
concepts of these two religions and formulated the Colan. But
as a let's let me get back to that question.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Again, I said, it seems that with all the fighting
and all the battles and all the people who have
lost their lives in the name of religion, we're doing it.
All these different religions were fighting over the same.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
God, right and as I want. What I wanted to
point out is that because they have their roots in
the Egician religions with the God on Men, they basically
all prace the same God. There's no doubt in anybody's
mind that this is the God that they are referring to,
the one universal God. But because they are different groups
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of people and with different traditions, they pretty much developed
the God for their own people, but they developed it
in such a way to have control within their own communities,
their own people. Mohammad took it a step further. He
not only did it within Saudi Arabia and got people
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to follow his teachings, but he then forcefully preached this
religion along many other countries as far west as Spain
and right down to Africa and India. So but this
again was done by force, it was not done by love.
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In twenty nine years from Mohammad's death, there was a
Muslim empire, or let's say Islamic empire that is astounding,
but it wasn't done true love.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
What would happen, in your expert opinion, if every religion
and religious philosophy around the world were to say, hey,
you know what, we're all part of the same, we're
all praying to the God. What would happen? Do you
think that it would be a total unification and that
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peace would reign.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Well from idealist ideally, you would like that because people
are people. They want to hold on to their tradition.
They are who they are because of where they came from.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
But but you know what, Nicholas, we see people hanging
on to their traditions at Christmas time with Santa Claus,
Chris Kringle and the other names and traditions that are
that are practiced around the world when it comes to Christmas.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So why couldn't the same mentality be used when it
comes to God.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
It can be used, but remember not not people from
different countries all venerate Santa Claus. By the way, I
love playing Santa Claus. I brought up and raised four
daughters from I actually dressed as Santa Claus, and they
had no idea it was their father until several years later.
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But I enjoyed it because I would look into their
eyes as I sang jingle bells in silent night, and
it was the most beautiful sight to look into their eyes.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You see. That's where that's that's what we should do.
We should we should let the children of the world
be the leaders. You know, there should be a lobby,
there should be a law that says, once you're past
eleven of years old, you can't be a leader of
the world anymore. Because kids have a great way of
solving problems. They get it all the way and then
they're the best of friends.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Again, I don't give that much faith in kids. Basically
kids learned from their parents. The parents are the teachers
of the world.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Well, then we've done a lousy job. I'm sorry, I said,
then we've done a lousy job.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
We are doing a lousy job because of the nature
of the world we live in today, with three major religions.
Each group of people, be they Judaic, Christian, or Muslim,
they think they have the only true religion. This is
really sad because it is the religion of all people.
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To be able to have the spiritual value about God.
The thing is, nobody in this world can't describe God.
Nobody in this world knows.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
God, and nobody in history, even in biblical times, has
ever seen God. So my question to the population is,
how do you know God exists?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
This is a spiritual value in my mind that was
created out of the mind. The mind creates many wonderful things,
and there's nothing wrong with that because out of the mind,
where you reflect and you hypothesize and you think things,
many wonderful things happen, such like Einstein's theory of relativity.
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This came through his brain. He thought and thought until
his thoughts became a reality. Now the thoughts about God
may or may not become a reality, because, as the
Egyptians so aptly put it, God is anable, mysterious, and incomprehensible.
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It is subjective. Every person is. If you tell them
to try to describe God, they all have a different
conception conception of God. But the most important thing is
that it's a belief that is inbred and is felt
within one's spiritual mind or body. I use the word
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spiritual in a sense that I think mankind has this
particular feeling that something beyond him created him, and that's
why he venerates this something. And I believe that this
force that's out there that we call God and we
don't know who it is, I believe this force created us,
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created not only human life, but other worlds. You created
intelligence and a consciousness where that consciousness tries to reach
out and try to understand God who first created them. That,
in my mind, is the essence and force of God.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You see, I've got a totally different outlook on that.
I look at the Bible as the greatest story book
that has ever been written. By all means, it is
a great book to follow. There's a lot of violence,
and in mind view, there are two gods. The God
of the Old Testament is totally different from the God
of the New Testament. You can see it in every chapter.
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But when we look at the Garden of Eden and
the Creation, I don't see the Holy Trinity as the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I see the Holy
Trinity as being God being the nucleus of an atom,
Adam being a proton, and Eve being a neutron, giving a.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Fairly good conception. But here you are relying on scientific theories.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
But at least scientific theory can be proved, where the
hypothesis of a God that is a supreme being.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Can't rob I'm not denying what you're thinking about. It
is not something that I have also thought about. I
agree with you. But again we are reflecting this idea
based on science, which is the atom and it's electrons
and neutron. Right, But science has even been able to
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break these elements down, right, so it becomes really more incomprehensible.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
But all right, having said that, Having said that, Nicholas,
how can we then look back at Weave, back at
thirty four hundred BCE and take the word of a
very ancient society that created a god that that God
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is based on something tangible, even if it's your own belief.
How can we believe anything?
Speaker 5 (32:31):
These people said, Well, all you have to do is
look at the history of Egypt. And that's why I
mentioned the book A History of Egypt by Breasted. It
shows that this was the spiritual people that existed for
three four thousand years. Okay, they built the pyramids, fantastic
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works of art. This god a man captured the mind
of people so that they can live together in harmony.
The Egyptian priesthood knew what they were doing. They realized
that as their culture was growing and they were starting
to divide the land along the Nile so that people
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could have their farms and their irrigation, and they came
up with geometry to define the boundaries of each of
these people that started to grow their own particular territories.
They became wars and they became conflicts. But the priesthood
realized that with morality, with truth, with honesty, there was
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a way to curb that, and they were able to
get their people to live in harmony. And the idea
of morality is the most fundamental thing that we need
today in the modern world. I think the breakdown of civilization,
just as it did with the Roman Empire. Is morality.
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It's one of the elements, and there are many ways
to improve morality, but we need God.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
In the book, do we need a God to do that?
Or can't? Or is God an excuse that people uses?
You know, God, why have you forsaken me? Or or
any of the other cliches that are used when a
person is desperate, or or is God the the the
I don't want to say savior because I really don't
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believe that. Is God a crutch that people use to
to try to explain their own failures And it's not
God who's failed them, but they have failed themselves.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
That is a secondary thought when you talk at off
failure in God. I like what you first came up with.
What is it about God that people seem to put
their fate in and they're trust in and somehow gain
a confidence and hope to go along?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
You know, like, why why does God need? Why does
God need billions of dollars that the Vatican is holding
on to. Wouldn't God, if he was there and if
he was so spiritual somehow make an apparish appear before
the pope and say sell everything you're you know, you're
defiling my name and everything that I stand for.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Well, here again, you're talking about a religious organization, and
all organizations they thrive on membership, the donations, the membership
and the donations, and with the wealth that they acquire,
they're able to increase their empire and with all of
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the marvelous art and and make their particular beliefs even
more awesome. And this is fine. This is what the
Egyptians did when you look at the columns that they created,
that forty fifty feet high, fantastic works of art.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
But how how can we how can we relate to
the ancient egypt Egyptians of thirty four hundred BCE in
today's society. To me, it makes no sense.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
I never said we should alert So.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Why should we? Why should we talk about look at
the ancient Egyptians and what they did. When we're talking
about the Vatican and the massive amount that it has acquired,
and the other religious organizations that use fear intimidation, you know,
like something's wrong.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
These religions are the end products of organizations. But the
original beliefs that occurred in Egypt is a spiritual sense
of God and values and a morality. This is what's
import in religion. Not the fact that these religions now
try to increase their membership and their wealths and try
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to convince people that they have the only true God.
This is they missed the whole point. It was Jesus
Christ that brought it down to one. Shall I say
three words? Love one another?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Okay? All right, okay, but how do we know that
Jesus existed? Like you know, we're taking a lot for
granted here.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Well, whether or not that existed, we could We can
come up with a lot of gifts. The important thing
is there's a message that was put into the.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Bible by John Lennon wrote many good songs too that
people aren't aren't bowing to and doing a you know,
putting money into a tithing to John Lennon and in
my books. You know, when you look at what the
message that John Lennon was sharing with the world, all
you need is love. It's as important as any message
that Jesus Christ was giving.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
So why is it so why is it that is
not saying that as a sinkly as Jesus did, he
said love one another?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
All right?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Stand by We've got to take our find out that love. Okay,
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Genics is our guest, and I don't know food for thought.
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All right, explanation, Welcome back Nicholas Jenics as our guest.
His website is Future Offgodamen dot com. A. What is
the main message that you would like to share with
your readers around the world, Nicholas, I.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Guess I've said it a few times and I'll say
it again, and that to me is the word of God.
Many people, if you ask them, ask them what is
the word of God, they will say, oh, it's the Bible,
it's the New test and they always the Kuran. But
this does not give an answer at all. The word
of God, because I say it is to love one another.
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Is that that is the Saint. It is guidance, and
it's a command from one of the greatest prophets. I
think the world is ever known and there are, as
you pointed out before, how do we know whether he exists? Yeah,
I will say this that where the thing is, he
is in scripture and whether it was the priesthood or
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the Hebrew priests who put this together because they wanted
to continue this belief in one God. You must under
span that the Hebrew Nation was just about destroyed and
decimated by the Jewish Roman War, and it was around
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sixty or seventy's a CE that the Jewish people, because
they were almost annihilated. There were certain priests, and I
would say it was those who were associated with the
sect that was the endseeing sect that apparently they say
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Jesus pretty much belonged to. I believe it was these
priests that put together this new set of gospels to
continue this wonderful belief that they had, realizing that the
Jewish concept or life may be over, and so the
gospels rose. And in fact, it was the Gospels that
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were developed about what sixty years after the death of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
But we also know for a fact, Nicholas, that the
Gospels were not written by who we are told they
were written by in that history. Know we know that
history is always written by the victors. So I really
don't I really don't understand the entire premise. If we're
talking about a history of God that was created by
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the Egyptians, how do we know the Egyptians were right?
We're going by the testimony inside of books to try
and prove a point. But to me, I just don't.
I just don't see it. And when it comes to
Jesus Christ, how do we know that? He isn't part
of the parable, He isn't part of the fable, he
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isn't part of the mythology, he isn't part of the
folklore that lives today. And like I've said, many times,
what would happen if religion ceased to exist? Do we
need religion in the year T I don't know. I
think that religion has to be revamped in order for
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us to fully understand or try to comprehend what it
is we need. And as we've seen through history, religion
has been the cause of many fights, many battles, and
the loss of many lives. Nicholas Genics has been my
guest this our exone nation his website Future of Goodamen
(44:27):
dot com. And there I play that song another one
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