Smooth Criminal, A One-Man American Crime Wave exposes the consequences of our government releasing hardened criminals back into society where some run amok, stealing, drugging, even murdering innocent loyal American citizens. We do not question the good they may do for the United States, nor do we argue that the program should be ended. That's for others to consider. What we strongly advocate is that innocent families need to be protected while these criminals are on the loose. The program's secrecy certainly needs to be maintained, but as a spy agency, the C.I.A. should be capable of controlling freed criminals without exposing their clandestine operation. Instead, appeals to the F.B.I., then ATF, and local police went unheeded. It's unconscionable that an innocent victim cannot get any protection, and is told, "Go home, he's no con artist," or that a terrorized man shouldn't have to fear he'd be jailed for simply appealing for help from the local police. Law enforcement was protecting the criminal and not honest upright pro-American citizenry. This book could have been called, "No where to turn," as there truly was no law enforcement willing to help rescue them from the terrorism they endured in these United States. The rationale, "A few Americans have to suffer for the overall good of 315 million of us," is not acceptable. Somehow, someway these secret agencies can remain undercover while protecting all law abiding Americans. We do not know the extent of the present program, but invite all victims to come forth, as did these families. The secret releasing of criminals is such a success, there's hardly a doubt it's continuing today. Today's victims need Government protection. BILL DEANE is a dedicated journalist, believing in the overall good of searching and revealing for the public's right to know. He has 33 years experience as a writer and news assignment editor at ABC and CBS; news director in Denver and Rochester, New York; anchor at KYW, Philadelphia as well as Miami's ABC TV affiliate, He is a member of the Radio Television News Directors Association; New York Press Club; Investigative Reporters & Editors; Society of Professional Journalists and the winner of many awards including an Edward R. Murrow for Best Coverage of a Major Breaking News Event, the Assassination of Itzhak Rabin.- www.ourmissingnews.com
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thirty years. He is a daily blogger now at www
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interesting book entitled Smooth Criminal, a one man American crime Wave,
(01:40):
which follows the criminal formation and release of one of
these such criminals and there are many victims and Bill,
welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Good to be with you.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Tell me a little bit about your book.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Well, I can get into how it all happened, which
I think really is not as important to your audience,
but to find out how these con artists operate. This
is a classic case. This guy's Smooth Criminal is just
(02:16):
an unbelievable guy who's done so much damage. And how
he got out was that the CIA and the FEDS
go into the prisons and they're looking for people. This
is a news story. This has never been revealed before.
You see this in the movies. You see the police
going in and getting somebody out of jail to do
(02:38):
something that's been fictionally done many many times and overdone.
I believe this is true. They go in and they
are looking for somebody that's got the pretty high IQ
like one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty IQ, who
just can't stand being in jail, and they test them out.
(02:58):
They talk to him and they see how they can
take pressure and all kinds of things, and the guy
doesn't know what's going on. And then if they really
like them, they tell them what's going on. They say,
how'd you like to get out of jail? And of
course these guys say anything, because if you've got a
(03:19):
ninety IQ, you know, I guess you can stand there
and hear all that nonsense and all those games and
all those fights and the food throwing at each other
and lockdowns and everything else. But if you get one
hundred and twenty hundred and thirty IQ, you can't stand it.
And so they say, this is going to be a
dangerous thing, but you can get out of here. Do
(03:41):
what we tell you, and you are free, and you
may be killed. And these guys say, hey, give me
a month of sanity out of this place, please, and
I'll be glad they do anything. And I mean if
they get me, if I get killed, I mean, so
what I mean, I got to get.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Out of here for a while.
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It sounds like a complicated game of let's make a deal.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Oh yeah, that's right. Uh, it really is a deal.
You go and do what we tell you to do,
and we will we will free you. You don't have
to come back to jail.
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building is my special guest ex donation. We're talking about
Bill's new book entitled Smooth Criminal, a one man American
crimewave website www dot ourmissingnews dot com. Bill, how did
you ever get to meet the man called Smooth Criminal
(07:41):
the title of your book.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, I was just a kid rock and roll DJ
down in Miami and he came in. I was told,
actually by the music director that it might be a
good idea because to play his record, because it seemed
like there was some kind of a mafioso connection. In
other words, you you know, I never took a dime
of Paola, but you know, if it's going to save
(08:04):
the building or something from an explosion, you play the
record about eleven o'clock at night and that's what I did.
I played it well. It was mediocre, and I'm being complimentary,
and I played it a week later about eleven o'clock,
and that I got the idea. Now, you know, like
(08:25):
Frank Sinatra's known, I mean, he was being pushed by
the mom to to make it. But this didn't seem
that serious. It seemed like they were looking for for
somebody to do some dirty work for them, and they did.
They said, they said to him, Okay, we got your
(08:46):
record played. Now you've got to do us a favor.
And that was to extort a high political official in Miami.
And he did that. But the high political official had
a lot of friends in the police department and they
were about twenty playing clothesmen there to arrest him. That's
how he wound up in jail. I had no idea
(09:07):
that he that's before I got to Miami. I had
no idea that this guy who is all he wanted
to do, I thought was to have me play his record.
And he lived a very simple life, lived on the beach.
Is two buddies with him. I mean they were talking
about beer and girls and that was about it. They
(09:29):
were the most non political people I ever met, I
played his record. I had no idea that he and
the other two guys were out of jail. They were free,
they were under this program. They were free to walk around.
And this was between assignments. About six months later, overcomes
(09:53):
this bulletin saying and unbelievable, saying kidnapping to Cuba. And
I knew these guys, I knew their names. I hadn't
seen him in six months, and I was just flabbergasted.
I said, these guys are the most non political people
in the world. What are they doing defecting to Cuba.
(10:14):
I was totally puzzled. And about four or five months later,
I got a telephone call from Smooth Criminal and he said,
can we have lunch? And I was working over at
a television station. I was a Sunday and I was
just flabbergasted that he called me and said can we
have lunch? And I said, hesitatingly because I was just
so curious what was going on. I wanted an answer
(10:37):
to these problems. Yes, and so I hesitating said yeah,
let's yeah, that'll be fine, and he hangs up. He
calls me back and he says we can meet at
such and such a place on the Tammy Emmy trail.
And I said, why did you have to call me back?
He says, because they have to know who I'm with
(10:58):
at all times. So I go into this restaurant on
a Sunday afternoon, and I can tell you Cubans do
not eat at one o'clock in the afternoon. They eat
about six o'clock. So the restaurant was empty, a little
tiny place, and except and this is like a movie scene.
Over in the corner is a guy with a necktie
(11:19):
on and dressed just like a fed and he's reading
the paper, hiding behind it, and he's the only other
one in the restaurant besides the restaurant owner. And down
comes the paper and he stares at me about three
tables away, just stares at me, and so I stare back,
and he folds up his paper and he walks out
(11:41):
right next to it and goes right by my table
with my smooth criminals sitting there. And I said, he
didn't even look at me as he walked by. He
had seen enough, I guess from three tables away. And
so I said, I said to a smooth criminal, I said,
what was that all about? And he says, they have
to know who I'm with at all times. He says,
you know, they followed you for three weeks. I says,
(12:03):
they followed me. He says, yeah. They decided not to
eliminate you, eliminate me, and they thought that you might
know too much, but they decided that you were just
a crazy rock and roll DJ. Well, at that particular time,
I wasn't doing too much news and I really wanted
to be a DJ the rest of my life, and
(12:24):
that was a little scary. And when I got in
my car after this two hour conversation with Smooth Criminal,
I'm telling you, I looked behind in the rear view
mirror all the way home. I guess I was fortunate
that I wasn't a full time newsperson or journalist, and
they weren't afraid that I would bust the story, so
(12:45):
they let me live.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Unreal. So what was their reason to get you back
into the fold. Was it just that he wanted a
friend or was there something else.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
That I am a little puzzled about that. I think
it's a fifty to fifty thing. A Smooth Criminal, for
some reason, wanted me to know this information. He told
me that about this kidnapping to QBA. He says it
was totally false.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
He says we.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Went down there. He says, we were going down there
all the time. And I can tell you that the
listeners can look this up on your computer. This is
nineteen eighty when one of the guys who wasn't caught,
I mean, who was jailed and wasn't freed down there.
(13:35):
You can look it up. It's Miami Herald, October eleventh,
nineteen eighty on your computer. It says jury can't decide
if he was a patriot or an airplane hijacker. This
is another guy, and he went through the same motor
humperende that my smooth criminal by the name of Dave
Ealy that's his real name, told me about many years before.
(14:00):
And this is another guy. But smooth criminal was pretty smooth,
I gotta tell you. Because Castro, anybody was caught hijacking
down there or something, if they found out that they
were they were spies, they would be shot. And the
CIA knew that, so they weren't worried about them coming back.
And Castro played a trick on the CIA. They said,
(14:23):
we're sending him back. So then the CIA had to
invent the story that there was a kidnapping and up
the pilot of the little airplanes that they were flying,
and that's that's the story. And then they had to
they couldn't tell the Justice Department in the United States
(14:45):
that this was a fake. So the Justice Department went
for three and a half years, finally went up to
the Supreme Court of the United States saying that this
at this trial had to take place. And so the
minimum on hijacking at that time was twenty years twenty
(15:05):
years to death in the electric chair. And the judge
was in on it, and he was trying to disrupt
the trial at all times, and like he was saying,
wait a minute, you can't you can't say that this
is a hijacking because it's a little airplane and the
hijacking acts as an airplane, a transport plane, he says,
(15:29):
a transport plane. That's he says, a cussin is too
small to be a transport plane. Case dismissed.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
You gotta be kidding time, my lord. I've heard stories
and read articles where Sussana aircraft were just laden with drugs.
And if that isn't transporting, I don't know what is.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, Well, I mean these kind of excuses, and there
were a whole mess of them and a whole message dismissals.
But there was a guy by the name of Ed
von Gong who was working for the Justice Department, and
he devoted his life to prosect keeping these guys. He
finally won the United States Supreme Court said you must
hold a trial, Judge Choke, and he was forced to,
(16:09):
and then he apologized throughout it. It was like he
was a cheerleader for the two guys that that allegedly
had had held the pilot at gunpoint to go down
to Cuba. Uh, the smooth criminal talked his way out
of out of Cuba in six six days. Nobody had
ever done that before, nobody had ever done it. Later,
(16:33):
he brought the other two guys back. Now the pilot
chickened out down there and he changed his story so
he couldn't be trusted when they when they were brought back,
the CIA had to invent this story about a kidnapping.
So then they then the Justice Department, like fools, spent
all that time prosecuting. The CIA would not admit that
(16:56):
they that these guys were working for them.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So if if these are known criminals, and even though
the Justice Department is I guess we can say they're
behind it, pulling the strings. Which branch of the government
are these guys actually working for. Are they working for
the CIA, They're working for the FBI, They're working for
the DEA. Though who's their boss?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Well we call them. We boxed all that together and
call it the FEDS, f E S and and the
the FEDS, the FBI, which doesn't always agree with the CIA,
they will they will help out each other in a bind,
and the FBI held the news conference when they got
back to Miami International Airport. The the the guy that is,
(17:43):
the guy that was the real pilot who I happened
to know, disappeared after I don't know where he went
with the two guys that allegedly my smooth criminal and
another guy. Those two guys had all of a sudden
saw another guy who says I was their pilot. And
for the next three and a half years in court,
(18:06):
he did an excellent job of testifying when there were dismissals,
and most of the time there were dismissals, but he
stuck with his story. He was very cool, and my
smooth criminal told me, I said, who is this guy?
What happened to the James? What happened to James? And
he says he disappeared. He says they had the substitute
(18:27):
because they couldn't trust him on the stand.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
So unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
This is, this is I mean, I've got a million
stories like this, but I want to I want to
emphasize that this guy's smooth criminal took over a lot
of homes and took over businesses and destroyed the lives
of many many people. To keep the program's secrets, the
Feds did not allow these guys to reveal what was
(18:57):
going on.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
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of Smooth Criminal, a one man American crime Way event.
Bill whatever happened to that Supreme Court case.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
They ordered a trial in Miami and the trial took
place while the judge was saying, this is the greatest
miscarriage of justice. He says, I'm forced because the twelve
person in jury came out and declared that they were guilty.
He said, this is the greatest miscarriage of justice since
in the Middle Ages a man tried to steal a
(21:36):
loaf of bread and they cut his hands off while
he was starving. But judge was a cheerleader, and I'm
sure in Canada and in the United States, you're supposed
to be a referee, you're not supposed to exactly on
one side. And so the trial was. They came back
(21:59):
with a guilty verdict. The judge says, I have to
do this. I apologize for doing this, but the law
requires that I give you the minimum twenty years. The
Justice Debourban walked out proudly that they had won the case,
and it said, unless excused earlier by the warden, Well,
they didn't even get to jail. The warden instantaneously and
(22:23):
so they never really went to jail. They went back
to doing assignments for the CIA. CIA will get you
to do things like that. They cannot come forward and
saying we're defending him he was working, because they'll never
do that. But they do do things secretly like that
to help you if you have been working for them,
and they were helped. Now what happens is is that
(22:47):
this guy becomes a great con artist. And what irritates
me is that the FEDS stood by, and they were
known to be fed because at f alcohol, tobacco, and
firearms on their backs and FBI written on their backs.
Of course, the CIA doesn't doesn't show themselves that way,
(23:12):
but here here they hear. These guys were there. They
saw the cons that were going on. They saw this
woman lose everything in her life. And I'm talking about
a couple of million dollars lost, the building, motel lost.
He smooth criminal had drugged her and she signed over
three deeds in New Jersey of property and uh, she
(23:35):
doesn't remember it. He was with Air America. You may
you may know about Air America, which was the CIA's
air force in the Indo China during the Vietnam War.
The the UH heally was working for for the CIA
at that time, and he became quite an expert at
(23:56):
at drugs and so when he came back, he had
quite an education and he had her drug periodically over
twenty two years. And it's just just a crime that
one of these guys. I asked her, I said, how
often did you see the FBI there? She says, all
the time? Well, they were there all the time talking
(24:18):
to smooth criminal because he was they were going to
bring him back into jail. They threatened him, and he
would always rat on some of the people that were
working for him.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Okay, no, I thought, Now, correct me if I'm wrong
that the CIA is not allowed to operate in the
United States.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
That's right, but there's an overlap. The CIA was working
in offices in Miami. It was as big as their
Virginia operation during the Cuban invasion. Afterwards that they do
not But if you know, I mean there's something it
(24:58):
doesn't stop at the board or you know, you can
have an investigation or something and it's not that clear cut.
Maybe you're following somebody that came back into the United States.
I mean, are you going to turn it over to
the local police. Also, I have I have these people
that I mean, it's enough to make you cry. They
go to they go to the FBI and they say,
(25:20):
please help me. He's moved into my house. He's taken
all of my money. I have nothing else, and they
say go home. He's no con artist. Well, what the
heck is a con artist? If I mean these people
were bankrupted? I have Smooth Criminal going.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Up to.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Connecticut outside of New York and he set up a
What con artists do is that they they look for
for something that that they look for trouble that you
may have, or they invent trouble that you may have.
They create a crisis for you and they are going
(25:58):
to solve it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
This is a guy that was having a bad divorce
and it was costing him a lot of money. Smooth
Criminal goes up there and says, you know, you don't
stand a chance. He says, because the judge and the
and the your wife's attorney are romantically involved and are
going up to New Hampshire on vacation every every weekend,
and so you just don't stand the chance. But I
(26:22):
know how to take care of that. He says, I
need six thousand dollars for monitoring equipment. He says, we're
gonna we're going to incriminate her all over the place.
Don't worry, but give me the six thousand and that
was just the beginning. When you when you got financial
troubles and one of these connors comes in and says,
I'm gonna I'm gonna take care of you. I'm yeah,
(26:43):
they take care of you. Then you're really bankrupt.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
What would happen, Bill, if if the victim went to
their local district attorney or to the local police and
filed a complaint, how would how would the FEDS be
able too to suppress that.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Well, the FEDS have instructed the local police to stay
out of it. I had a guy in Tampa that
smooth criminal used to get drunk and was firing his
AK forty seven in the middle of the night out
in the street, telling everybody how important he was. And
so this guy, who was a neighbor and with Special
(27:24):
Forces in Vietnam, he knew his stuff, and he knew
how dangerous that was and somebody could get killed very easily.
He called the local police, and I guess maybe the
local police because the local officer that came was afraid
of the situation and said and was open to this
(27:45):
guy because he was Special Forces and he revealed something.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
He says.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
You know, he says, I'm told that I'm not even
supposed to log in that I came here, that there
was any trouble. He says, all I can do is
to try to talk him out of one or two
or three of his weapons. And he says, that's all
I can do, and try to make peace in the neighborhood.
He says, because way, way, way above, the Chief of
Police of Tampa is in direct order that we cannot
(28:14):
arrest this guy no matter what he does. So, in
answer to your question, the local police. Another one down
in Miami. The brother of the woman who was losing
the motel, losing all of her business and everything, went
to the local police. On his way back to the motel,
the local Miami belie somebody from the local Miami police
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had made a phone call to smooth criminal and the brother.
When the brother got back to the motel, he was
slammed up against the wall. He says, don't ever do
that again. So he had informants, He had people that
were being rewarded, people that were being paid off for major,
major drug operations. This guy up in Connecticut, it's an
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amazing he my guy Healey said that he needed he
needed help, and they were going to with the monitoring
equipment and everything else. Though in moves. Four guys with
with Healey living in this guy's suburban house. They took
over and at night somebody was guarding. They put they
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put the owner in the in his bedroom, and they
had a guy with a with a revolver outside the
outside the door, so he all he could hear was
these cars coming and going in the middle of the night, speeding,
slamming on their brakes and then speeding away. He finally
figured out that his house was a major drug operation.
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He went to the local police and talked to the
chief of police and he told them the story, and
the chief of police said, I cannot believe that you
have a major drug operation in your house. We know
that we've been watching you twenty four cent and that
you have nothing to do with it. And he started
reading him the Miranda rights. Not everybody knows what that means,
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but it means that anything that you say can be
used against you from this point forward in a trial.
And my poor civilian who owned the house ran out
the door and the chief of police said, don't worry,
we know where we can find you. He lost his
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job at General Electric and he and he can't find
He hasn't been able to find a job for years
at any major corporation because you know, Lexus and Nexus
is a good place in other places where they communicate
with one another. The mere fact that this was going
on in his house and he had nothing to do
with it didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
How many other cases are there like this out there, Bill.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
It's very very hard to tell. I know that the
program as a success. I know that the program. If
I were in the CIA right now, I'd certainly be
using it where you're going to find people that are
going to that are smart and willing to do this
kind of activity, which is I mean, you know, the
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CIA doesn't want to get killed. They risk their life
a lot of times, but probably the more dangerous situations
they'll send in an operative. Like Dave Healy.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
There's a television on. There's a television show on that
uses convicts that are taken out of the prison to
be used by the US marshalls. And I'm trying to
remember the name of the program.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Oh yeah, well, there are a lot of those, and
this is the only time that it's been real. I
think that some of those writers, I haven't talked with them,
but I imagine some of those writers have some hint that
this is really going on. But I'm the only one
to expose it. I'm doing it as a news story.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
What are some of the feedback that you're getting from
other members within the media and law enforcement on your story.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I've talked to the I've talked to the to the cops,
and they're at their very moum on it. They're surprised,
but the journalists are absolutely flabbergast that I was at
a at an awards ceremony last night for the New
York Press Club, and I mean everybody that I talked to.
I talked to about ten twelve people. Everybody has their
(32:32):
mouth open. And I talked to people from a there's
a place called Sarti's in the theater district. You've got
you've got a pretty good crowd of people, intelligent crowd
that comes from Toledo and Hamilton and so forth to
New York to see shows. And I've talked to at
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least two hundred people over the past five years that
I've been doing this story, and everybody is just ladder
gast and they can't believe that this is going on,
and their mouth is wide open. They're not doubting what
I'm saying. I've got evidence on this thing. I don't
dare say how big this thing is. I think that
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it varies. At this particular time when Cuba was going,
they had to have this is before they had real
satellites up there that they could monitor, and they were
only they were living with U two's and they couldn't
get accurate pictures. I asked when I was talking to Healey,
I said, why would they pick you? You're a crook,
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And he says, because we usually don't know what we're doing.
We're told to go to such and such a coordinates
and count the number of generals coming out of a
building between two and three. Says, what does that mean
to me? And he says, if you know, if we
invent the story, some of this information is being done
by two or three other people, and you'll go into
a regular jail cell if you don't come back with
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the right information.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It almost sounds like a domestic version of the Iran contra.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Oh well, yeah, yeah, you could say that. Of course,
the CIA was involved in Central America.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Of course with Ali North here, but it's where do
you draw the line between enforcing the law using intelligence
gathering operations and operatives and breaking the law.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Like my only criticism here, I mean, they are breaking
the law. You know, you and I are narcotics detectives,
and it's probably the same in Canada. We go to
a judge and we say we want to get this
guy out of jail. He's going to inform and the
judge will say, you want three weeks, You'll get two.
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You've got to understand this guy is a criminal. You've
got to watch them twenty four hours a day, and
then you promise, well, CIA is too secret for that.
They can't do that. They don't go to a judge.
They go to a warden, and the warden bows and says, okay,
you can let them out. This is for the good
of the country. I can't fight that, and this is
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this is a problem that you know, I mean, I can't.
I can't say that this is a terrible thing because
these guys are doing something that may be good for
the country. Maybe they've saved us from a couple of
nine elevens. Who knows, Even though they did not legally
go and apply before a judge to get these guys
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out of jail. But what irritates me is that the
program is so secretive that they can't come up and
whisper in the ear of one of the victims and
says stay away from this guy. They don't, they don't care.
The rationale is, we got three hundred and fifteen million
people in America. We're sorry that a few people have
to suffer collateral damage. That's the way. That's the way.
(36:00):
The war is what all.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
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Explanation on Belding is my special guest. He's the author
of Smooth Middle of One Man American Crime Wave. First
of all, Billa Wanta, thank you so much for joining us.
Continued success and thank you very much for breaking this story,
but I have to ask you, what about the victims
who've been victimized by these by these criminals, and with
the full knowledge of law enforcement. The very system that
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is there to protect them as citizens is allowing the
bad guys to get away with it.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Absolutely, and that's my criticism. We just shouldn't be treating
these people this way. It would be so easy. They
ought to be supervised, that's all. And you can have
somebody coming along and saying, hey, you know if you don't,
if you keep doing this, we're going to put you
back in jail. That's all I would like to offer
to anyone out there. Email me at BLLL that's without
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be glad to send you about twenty ways that you
can detect a social paths or a psychopath, whatever you
want to call them, so you don't go through this.
I know, I know a lot of people say it
never happened to me. Would you'd be surprised?
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Is it possible that the FEDS can't actually supervise these
people right without these people saying, hey, you want to
blow it on me, I'll blow it on you.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Exactly to me. To me, it's the program can be secretive.
It can remain secretive with UH and taking care of
these people because they were never told. I just talked
to one of the women today on the phone. I said,
didn't they She said, they never said a thing. And
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it gave substance that his story that he was an
important government agent working with the president and all of
this because the FBI was there talking to him practically
every day.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Is there is there any way Is there any way
that this woman can get compensation?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Well, we're we would love to do that. I hope
that some congressman comes up with, you know, and makes
a big story out of this, because they should.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I agree, you know.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
They have nothing, they receive nothing, and they've lost everything.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What would you like to leave the listening audience of
the explanation with tonight, Bill Well, I would.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Like to say that this is an important story. It
had to be revealed, and that's why I did it.
And again I invite you to email me at b
L L CNN at gmail dot com and I'll be
glad to send you some warning signs on one of
these con artists.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Bill Iwana, thank you ever so much for joining us.
It's been a great hour with you. Continued success and
is there going to be a sequel?
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Right now I'm talking about talking about this, and there
may be eventually down the road, but right now I
want to the word about the book, and I'm very
very busy doing that doing interviews now, which I love
to do.
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Bill, take care of yourself once again. Thank you so much,
and we'll be in touch.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
And thank you Rob.
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have these drones that can fly eleven miles up, but
to take advantage of people like this and ruin their
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bad guys are doing to the good people, and the
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these such criminals and there are many victims and Bill,
welcome to the X Zone.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Good to be with you.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Tell me a little bit about your book.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Well, I can get into how it all happened, which
I think really is not as important to your audience,
but to find out how these con artists operate. This
is a classic case. This guy's Smooth Criminal is just
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an unbelievable guy who's done so much damage. And how
he got out was that the CIA and the FEDS
go into the prisons and they're looking for people. This
is a news story. This has never been revealed before.
You see this in the movies. You see the police
going in and getting somebody out of jail to do
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something that's been fictionally done many many times and overdone.
I believe this is true. They go in and they
are looking for somebody that's got the pretty high IQ
like one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty IQ, who
just can't stand being in jail, and they test them out.
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They talk to him and they see how they can
take pressure and all kinds of things, and the guy
doesn't know what's going on. And then if they really
like them, they tell them what's going on. They say,
how'd you like to get out of jail? And of
course these guys say anything, because if you've got a
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ninety IQ, you know, I guess you can stand there
and hear all that nonsense and all those games and
all those fights and the food throwing at each other
and lockdowns and everything else. But if you get one
hundred and twenty hundred and thirty IQ, you can't stand it.
And so they say, this is going to be a
dangerous thing, but you can get out of here. Do
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what we tell you, and you are free, and you
may be killed. And these guys say, hey, give me
a month of sanity out of this place, please, and
I'll be glad they do anything. And I mean if
they get me, if I get killed, I mean, so
what I mean, I got to get.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Out of here for a while.
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It sounds like a complicated game of let's make a deal.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Oh yeah, that's right. Uh, it really is a deal.
You go and do what we tell you to do,
and we will we will free you. You don't have
to come back to jail.
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building is my special guest ex donation. We're talking about
Bill's new book entitled Smooth Criminal, a one man American
crimewave website www dot ourmissingnews dot com. Bill, how did
you ever get to meet the man called Smooth Criminal
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the title of your book.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, I was just a kid rock and roll DJ
down in Miami and he came in. I was told,
actually by the music director that it might be a
good idea because to play his record, because it seemed
like there was some kind of a mafioso connection. In
other words, you you know, I never took a dime
of Paola, but you know, if it's going to save
(08:04):
the building or something from an explosion, you play the
record about eleven o'clock at night and that's what I did.
I played it well. It was mediocre, and I'm being complimentary,
and I played it a week later about eleven o'clock,
and that I got the idea. Now, you know, like
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Frank Sinatra's known, I mean, he was being pushed by
the mom to to make it. But this didn't seem
that serious. It seemed like they were looking for for
somebody to do some dirty work for them, and they did.
They said, they said to him, Okay, we got your
(08:46):
record played. Now you've got to do us a favor.
And that was to extort a high political official in Miami.
And he did that. But the high political official had
a lot of friends in the police department and they
were about twenty playing clothesmen there to arrest him. That's
how he wound up in jail. I had no idea
(09:07):
that he that's before I got to Miami. I had
no idea that this guy who is all he wanted
to do, I thought was to have me play his record.
And he lived a very simple life, lived on the beach.
Is two buddies with him. I mean they were talking
about beer and girls and that was about it. They
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were the most non political people I ever met, I
played his record. I had no idea that he and
the other two guys were out of jail. They were free,
they were under this program. They were free to walk around.
And this was between assignments. About six months later, overcomes
(09:53):
this bulletin saying and unbelievable, saying kidnapping to Cuba. And
I knew these guys, I knew their names. I hadn't
seen him in six months, and I was just flabbergasted.
I said, these guys are the most non political people
in the world. What are they doing defecting to Cuba.
(10:14):
I was totally puzzled. And about four or five months later,
I got a telephone call from Smooth Criminal and he said,
can we have lunch? And I was working over at
a television station. I was a Sunday and I was
just flabbergasted that he called me and said can we
have lunch? And I said, hesitatingly because I was just
so curious what was going on. I wanted an answer
(10:37):
to these problems. Yes, and so I hesitating said yeah,
let's yeah, that'll be fine, and he hangs up. He
calls me back and he says we can meet at
such and such a place on the Tammy Emmy trail.
And I said, why did you have to call me back?
He says, because they have to know who I'm with
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at all times. So I go into this restaurant on
a Sunday afternoon, and I can tell you Cubans do
not eat at one o'clock in the afternoon. They eat
about six o'clock. So the restaurant was empty, a little
tiny place, and except and this is like a movie scene.
Over in the corner is a guy with a necktie
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on and dressed just like a fed and he's reading
the paper, hiding behind it, and he's the only other
one in the restaurant besides the restaurant owner. And down
comes the paper and he stares at me about three
tables away, just stares at me, and so I stare back,
and he folds up his paper and he walks out
(11:41):
right next to it and goes right by my table
with my smooth criminals sitting there. And I said, he
didn't even look at me as he walked by. He
had seen enough, I guess from three tables away. And
so I said, I said to a smooth criminal, I said,
what was that all about? And he says, they have
to know who I'm with at all times. He says,
you know, they followed you for three weeks. I says,
(12:03):
they followed me. He says, yeah. They decided not to
eliminate you, eliminate me, and they thought that you might
know too much, but they decided that you were just
a crazy rock and roll DJ. Well, at that particular time,
I wasn't doing too much news and I really wanted
to be a DJ the rest of my life, and
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that was a little scary. And when I got in
my car after this two hour conversation with Smooth Criminal,
I'm telling you, I looked behind in the rear view
mirror all the way home. I guess I was fortunate
that I wasn't a full time newsperson or journalist, and
they weren't afraid that I would bust the story, so
(12:45):
they let me live.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Unreal. So what was their reason to get you back
into the fold. Was it just that he wanted a
friend or was there something else.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
That I am a little puzzled about that. I think
it's a fifty to fifty thing. A Smooth Criminal, for
some reason, wanted me to know this information. He told
me that about this kidnapping to QBA. He says it
was totally false.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
He says we.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Went down there. He says, we were going down there
all the time. And I can tell you that the
listeners can look this up on your computer. This is
nineteen eighty when one of the guys who wasn't caught,
I mean, who was jailed and wasn't freed down there.
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You can look it up. It's Miami Herald, October eleventh,
nineteen eighty on your computer. It says jury can't decide
if he was a patriot or an airplane hijacker. This
is another guy, and he went through the same motor
humperende that my smooth criminal by the name of Dave
Ealy that's his real name, told me about many years before.
(14:00):
And this is another guy. But smooth criminal was pretty smooth,
I gotta tell you. Because Castro, anybody was caught hijacking
down there or something, if they found out that they
were they were spies, they would be shot. And the
CIA knew that, so they weren't worried about them coming back.
And Castro played a trick on the CIA. They said,
(14:23):
we're sending him back. So then the CIA had to
invent the story that there was a kidnapping and up
the pilot of the little airplanes that they were flying,
and that's that's the story. And then they had to
they couldn't tell the Justice Department in the United States
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that this was a fake. So the Justice Department went
for three and a half years, finally went up to
the Supreme Court of the United States saying that this
at this trial had to take place. And so the
minimum on hijacking at that time was twenty years twenty
(15:05):
years to death in the electric chair. And the judge
was in on it, and he was trying to disrupt
the trial at all times, and like he was saying,
wait a minute, you can't you can't say that this
is a hijacking because it's a little airplane and the
hijacking acts as an airplane, a transport plane, he says,
(15:29):
a transport plane. That's he says, a cussin is too
small to be a transport plane. Case dismissed.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
You gotta be kidding time, my lord. I've heard stories
and read articles where Sussana aircraft were just laden with drugs.
And if that isn't transporting, I don't know what is.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, Well, I mean these kind of excuses, and there
were a whole mess of them and a whole message dismissals.
But there was a guy by the name of Ed
von Gong who was working for the Justice Department, and
he devoted his life to prosect keeping these guys. He
finally won the United States Supreme Court said you must
hold a trial, Judge Choke, and he was forced to,
(16:09):
and then he apologized throughout it. It was like he
was a cheerleader for the two guys that that allegedly
had had held the pilot at gunpoint to go down
to Cuba. Uh, the smooth criminal talked his way out
of out of Cuba in six six days. Nobody had
ever done that before, nobody had ever done it. Later,
(16:33):
he brought the other two guys back. Now the pilot
chickened out down there and he changed his story so
he couldn't be trusted when they when they were brought back,
the CIA had to invent this story about a kidnapping.
So then they then the Justice Department, like fools, spent
all that time prosecuting. The CIA would not admit that
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they that these guys were working for them.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So if if these are known criminals, and even though
the Justice Department is I guess we can say they're
behind it, pulling the strings. Which branch of the government
are these guys actually working for. Are they working for
the CIA, They're working for the FBI, They're working for
the DEA. Though who's their boss?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Well we call them. We boxed all that together and
call it the FEDS, f E S and and the
the FEDS, the FBI, which doesn't always agree with the CIA,
they will they will help out each other in a bind,
and the FBI held the news conference when they got
back to Miami International Airport. The the the guy that is,
(17:43):
the guy that was the real pilot who I happened
to know, disappeared after I don't know where he went
with the two guys that allegedly my smooth criminal and
another guy. Those two guys had all of a sudden
saw another guy who says I was their pilot. And
for the next three and a half years in court,
(18:06):
he did an excellent job of testifying when there were dismissals,
and most of the time there were dismissals, but he
stuck with his story. He was very cool, and my
smooth criminal told me, I said, who is this guy?
What happened to the James? What happened to James? And
he says he disappeared. He says they had the substitute
(18:27):
because they couldn't trust him on the stand.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
So unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
This is, this is I mean, I've got a million
stories like this, but I want to I want to
emphasize that this guy's smooth criminal took over a lot
of homes and took over businesses and destroyed the lives
of many many people. To keep the program's secrets, the
Feds did not allow these guys to reveal what was
(18:57):
going on.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
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of Smooth Criminal, a one man American crime Way event.
Bill whatever happened to that Supreme Court case.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
They ordered a trial in Miami and the trial took
place while the judge was saying, this is the greatest
miscarriage of justice. He says, I'm forced because the twelve
person in jury came out and declared that they were guilty.
He said, this is the greatest miscarriage of justice since
in the Middle Ages a man tried to steal a
(21:36):
loaf of bread and they cut his hands off while
he was starving. But judge was a cheerleader, and I'm
sure in Canada and in the United States, you're supposed
to be a referee, you're not supposed to exactly on
one side. And so the trial was. They came back
(21:59):
with a guilty verdict. The judge says, I have to
do this. I apologize for doing this, but the law
requires that I give you the minimum twenty years. The
Justice Debourban walked out proudly that they had won the case,
and it said, unless excused earlier by the warden, Well,
they didn't even get to jail. The warden instantaneously and
(22:23):
so they never really went to jail. They went back
to doing assignments for the CIA. CIA will get you
to do things like that. They cannot come forward and
saying we're defending him he was working, because they'll never
do that. But they do do things secretly like that
to help you if you have been working for them,
and they were helped. Now what happens is is that
(22:47):
this guy becomes a great con artist. And what irritates
me is that the FEDS stood by, and they were
known to be fed because at f alcohol, tobacco, and
firearms on their backs and FBI written on their backs.
Of course, the CIA doesn't doesn't show themselves that way,
(23:12):
but here here they hear. These guys were there. They
saw the cons that were going on. They saw this
woman lose everything in her life. And I'm talking about
a couple of million dollars lost, the building, motel lost.
He smooth criminal had drugged her and she signed over
three deeds in New Jersey of property and uh, she
(23:35):
doesn't remember it. He was with Air America. You may
you may know about Air America, which was the CIA's
air force in the Indo China during the Vietnam War.
The the UH heally was working for for the CIA
at that time, and he became quite an expert at
(23:56):
at drugs and so when he came back, he had
quite an education and he had her drug periodically over
twenty two years. And it's just just a crime that
one of these guys. I asked her, I said, how
often did you see the FBI there? She says, all
the time? Well, they were there all the time talking
(24:18):
to smooth criminal because he was they were going to
bring him back into jail. They threatened him, and he
would always rat on some of the people that were
working for him.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Okay, no, I thought, Now, correct me if I'm wrong
that the CIA is not allowed to operate in the
United States.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
That's right, but there's an overlap. The CIA was working
in offices in Miami. It was as big as their
Virginia operation during the Cuban invasion. Afterwards that they do
not But if you know, I mean there's something it
(24:58):
doesn't stop at the board or you know, you can
have an investigation or something and it's not that clear cut.
Maybe you're following somebody that came back into the United States.
I mean, are you going to turn it over to
the local police. Also, I have I have these people
that I mean, it's enough to make you cry. They
go to they go to the FBI and they say,
(25:20):
please help me. He's moved into my house. He's taken
all of my money. I have nothing else, and they
say go home. He's no con artist. Well, what the
heck is a con artist? If I mean these people
were bankrupted? I have Smooth Criminal going.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Up to.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Connecticut outside of New York and he set up a
What con artists do is that they they look for
for something that that they look for trouble that you
may have, or they invent trouble that you may have.
They create a crisis for you and they are going
(25:58):
to solve it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
This is a guy that was having a bad divorce
and it was costing him a lot of money. Smooth
Criminal goes up there and says, you know, you don't
stand a chance. He says, because the judge and the
and the your wife's attorney are romantically involved and are
going up to New Hampshire on vacation every every weekend,
and so you just don't stand the chance. But I
(26:22):
know how to take care of that. He says, I
need six thousand dollars for monitoring equipment. He says, we're
gonna we're going to incriminate her all over the place.
Don't worry, but give me the six thousand and that
was just the beginning. When you when you got financial
troubles and one of these connors comes in and says,
I'm gonna I'm gonna take care of you. I'm yeah,
(26:43):
they take care of you. Then you're really bankrupt.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
What would happen, Bill, if if the victim went to
their local district attorney or to the local police and
filed a complaint, how would how would the FEDS be
able too to suppress that.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Well, the FEDS have instructed the local police to stay
out of it. I had a guy in Tampa that
smooth criminal used to get drunk and was firing his
AK forty seven in the middle of the night out
in the street, telling everybody how important he was. And
so this guy, who was a neighbor and with Special
(27:24):
Forces in Vietnam, he knew his stuff, and he knew
how dangerous that was and somebody could get killed very easily.
He called the local police, and I guess maybe the
local police because the local officer that came was afraid
of the situation and said and was open to this
(27:45):
guy because he was Special Forces and he revealed something.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
He says.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
You know, he says, I'm told that I'm not even
supposed to log in that I came here, that there
was any trouble. He says, all I can do is
to try to talk him out of one or two
or three of his weapons. And he says, that's all
I can do, and try to make peace in the neighborhood.
He says, because way, way, way above, the Chief of
Police of Tampa is in direct order that we cannot
(28:14):
arrest this guy no matter what he does. So, in
answer to your question, the local police. Another one down
in Miami. The brother of the woman who was losing
the motel, losing all of her business and everything, went
to the local police. On his way back to the motel,
the local Miami belie somebody from the local Miami police
(28:36):
had made a phone call to smooth criminal and the brother.
When the brother got back to the motel, he was
slammed up against the wall. He says, don't ever do
that again. So he had informants, He had people that
were being rewarded, people that were being paid off for major,
major drug operations. This guy up in Connecticut, it's an
(28:59):
amazing he my guy Healey said that he needed he
needed help, and they were going to with the monitoring
equipment and everything else. Though in moves. Four guys with
with Healey living in this guy's suburban house. They took
over and at night somebody was guarding. They put they
(29:21):
put the owner in the in his bedroom, and they
had a guy with a with a revolver outside the
outside the door, so he all he could hear was
these cars coming and going in the middle of the night, speeding,
slamming on their brakes and then speeding away. He finally
figured out that his house was a major drug operation.
(29:43):
He went to the local police and talked to the
chief of police and he told them the story, and
the chief of police said, I cannot believe that you
have a major drug operation in your house. We know
that we've been watching you twenty four cent and that
you have nothing to do with it. And he started
reading him the Miranda rights. Not everybody knows what that means,
(30:07):
but it means that anything that you say can be
used against you from this point forward in a trial.
And my poor civilian who owned the house ran out
the door and the chief of police said, don't worry,
we know where we can find you. He lost his
(30:29):
job at General Electric and he and he can't find
He hasn't been able to find a job for years
at any major corporation because you know, Lexus and Nexus
is a good place in other places where they communicate
with one another. The mere fact that this was going
on in his house and he had nothing to do
with it didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
How many other cases are there like this out there, Bill.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
It's very very hard to tell. I know that the
program as a success. I know that the program. If
I were in the CIA right now, I'd certainly be
using it where you're going to find people that are
going to that are smart and willing to do this
kind of activity, which is I mean, you know, the
(31:16):
CIA doesn't want to get killed. They risk their life
a lot of times, but probably the more dangerous situations
they'll send in an operative. Like Dave Healy.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
There's a television on. There's a television show on that
uses convicts that are taken out of the prison to
be used by the US marshalls. And I'm trying to
remember the name of the program.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Oh yeah, well, there are a lot of those, and
this is the only time that it's been real. I
think that some of those writers, I haven't talked with them,
but I imagine some of those writers have some hint that
this is really going on. But I'm the only one
to expose it. I'm doing it as a news story.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
What are some of the feedback that you're getting from
other members within the media and law enforcement on your story.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I've talked to the I've talked to the to the cops,
and they're at their very moum on it. They're surprised,
but the journalists are absolutely flabbergast that I was at
a at an awards ceremony last night for the New
York Press Club, and I mean everybody that I talked to.
I talked to about ten twelve people. Everybody has their
(32:32):
mouth open. And I talked to people from a there's
a place called Sarti's in the theater district. You've got
you've got a pretty good crowd of people, intelligent crowd
that comes from Toledo and Hamilton and so forth to
New York to see shows. And I've talked to at
(32:53):
least two hundred people over the past five years that
I've been doing this story, and everybody is just ladder
gast and they can't believe that this is going on,
and their mouth is wide open. They're not doubting what
I'm saying. I've got evidence on this thing. I don't
dare say how big this thing is. I think that
(33:15):
it varies. At this particular time when Cuba was going,
they had to have this is before they had real
satellites up there that they could monitor, and they were
only they were living with U two's and they couldn't
get accurate pictures. I asked when I was talking to Healey,
I said, why would they pick you? You're a crook,
(33:37):
And he says, because we usually don't know what we're doing.
We're told to go to such and such a coordinates
and count the number of generals coming out of a
building between two and three. Says, what does that mean
to me? And he says, if you know, if we
invent the story, some of this information is being done
by two or three other people, and you'll go into
a regular jail cell if you don't come back with
(33:58):
the right information.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It almost sounds like a domestic version of the Iran contra.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Oh well, yeah, yeah, you could say that. Of course,
the CIA was involved in Central America.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Of course with Ali North here, but it's where do
you draw the line between enforcing the law using intelligence
gathering operations and operatives and breaking the law.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Like my only criticism here, I mean, they are breaking
the law. You know, you and I are narcotics detectives,
and it's probably the same in Canada. We go to
a judge and we say we want to get this
guy out of jail. He's going to inform and the
judge will say, you want three weeks, You'll get two.
(34:52):
You've got to understand this guy is a criminal. You've
got to watch them twenty four hours a day, and
then you promise, well, CIA is too secret for that.
They can't do that. They don't go to a judge.
They go to a warden, and the warden bows and says, okay,
you can let them out. This is for the good
of the country. I can't fight that, and this is
(35:14):
this is a problem that you know, I mean, I can't.
I can't say that this is a terrible thing because
these guys are doing something that may be good for
the country. Maybe they've saved us from a couple of
nine elevens. Who knows, Even though they did not legally
go and apply before a judge to get these guys
(35:36):
out of jail. But what irritates me is that the
program is so secretive that they can't come up and
whisper in the ear of one of the victims and
says stay away from this guy. They don't, they don't care.
The rationale is, we got three hundred and fifteen million
people in America. We're sorry that a few people have
to suffer collateral damage. That's the way. That's the way.
(36:00):
The war is what all.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Right, standby, Billy and I have to take our final break.
Bill Diana is our special guest. The name of his
book is Smith Criminal, a one man American crimewave www
dot our missingnews dot com. My name is Rob McConnell
building and I return on the other side of this break.
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Speaker 3 (37:56):
Explanation on Belding is my special guest. He's the author
of Smooth Middle of One Man American Crime Wave. First
of all, Billa Wanta, thank you so much for joining us.
Continued success and thank you very much for breaking this story,
but I have to ask you, what about the victims
who've been victimized by these by these criminals, and with
the full knowledge of law enforcement. The very system that
(38:17):
is there to protect them as citizens is allowing the
bad guys to get away with it.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Absolutely, and that's my criticism. We just shouldn't be treating
these people this way. It would be so easy. They
ought to be supervised, that's all. And you can have
somebody coming along and saying, hey, you know if you don't,
if you keep doing this, we're going to put you
back in jail. That's all I would like to offer
to anyone out there. Email me at BLLL that's without
(38:48):
the I b LLCNN at gmail dot com, and I'll
be glad to send you about twenty ways that you
can detect a social paths or a psychopath, whatever you
want to call them, so you don't go through this.
I know, I know a lot of people say it
never happened to me. Would you'd be surprised?
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Is it possible that the FEDS can't actually supervise these
people right without these people saying, hey, you want to
blow it on me, I'll blow it on you.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Exactly to me. To me, it's the program can be secretive.
It can remain secretive with UH and taking care of
these people because they were never told. I just talked
to one of the women today on the phone. I said,
didn't they She said, they never said a thing. And
(39:41):
it gave substance that his story that he was an
important government agent working with the president and all of
this because the FBI was there talking to him practically
every day.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Is there is there any way Is there any way
that this woman can get compensation?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Well, we're we would love to do that. I hope
that some congressman comes up with, you know, and makes
a big story out of this, because they should.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I agree, you know.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
They have nothing, they receive nothing, and they've lost everything.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What would you like to leave the listening audience of
the explanation with tonight, Bill Well, I would.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Like to say that this is an important story. It
had to be revealed, and that's why I did it.
And again I invite you to email me at b
L L CNN at gmail dot com and I'll be
glad to send you some warning signs on one of
these con artists.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Bill Iwana, thank you ever so much for joining us.
It's been a great hour with you. Continued success and
is there going to be a sequel?
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Right now I'm talking about talking about this, and there
may be eventually down the road, but right now I
want to the word about the book, and I'm very
very busy doing that doing interviews now, which I love
to do.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Bill, take care of yourself once again. Thank you so much,
and we'll be in touch.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
And thank you Rob.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
My great pleasures are take care x O. Nation Building
has been my guest to this hour. What a story.
I'm sitting here shaking my head saying, how can this happen?
You know, we've got so much electronic surveillance equipment, we
have these drones that can fly eleven miles up, but
to take advantage of people like this and ruin their
(41:33):
lives without compensation. When the good guys know what the
bad guys are doing to the good people, and the
good guys are letting the bad guys get away with
it and just neglecting the good people. Crook's watch out. Bill,
Dean is on your case. When I come back from
the news at the top of the hour at six
and a half minutes past, more of the excellent with
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