Rob McConnell Interviews -ROBBY RUSH - The Occult and Supernatural - The 'X' Zone Radio/TV Show

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Rush is my guest to this hour. He is an
occult specialist. Robbie investigates a cult activity and paranormal phenomenon
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to end any end all spirit infestations. As an occult
specialist that's an expert on the occult, a paranormal investigator
and demonologists combined, Robbie has identified spirits, ended personal and
family hauntings, uncovered occult items, ended curses and spells, handled
demon possessions of youths and adults, captured audio visual evidence

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of the paranormal, and is the longest running occult specialist
in the state of Texas, having begun in nineteen eighty nine.
Joining me now is Robbie Rush and Robbie welcome back
to the x shone.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, thank you, rob I appreciated me on again.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Are you busy this time year?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Actually? Sometimes? Yeah, everyone's why I'm an I believe or not. Traditionally,
every year about Christmas time, people wanting help with the
occult paranormal. It just kind of slacks off. I don't
know why, it just does. It usually shapers off around
Thanksgiving and picks up again around January. It's almost like
everybody takes holiday.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
As an occult specialist, Robbie, what is your most frequently
required service? Is it demonology? Is it ghost is it hauntings?
Or or other aspects of the paranormal.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Basically very aspects of the paranormal. But I do want
to say this, most of the time, my biggest request
is to deal with haunted objects.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Haunted objects, yes, sir, how is that if somebody ghost
her garage sale or too?

Speaker 7 (05:24):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
It can be. For example, recently high dealt with an
individual had a DreamCatcher. And you know, last time I
was on you and I had had some difficult about
the different things about shamanisness, different opinion all that, But
they had a dream catcher and this individual was suffering
from nightmares. Wow, and they just couldn't pinpoint. We just

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couldn't pinpoint what it was. And I asked her different
questions and stuff, and we finally were able to noiate
negotiate the fact that it was simply a DreamCatcher. And
then when she removed the DreamCatcher from her from her home,
everything's sto the paranormal phenomena, the nightmares, the demonic activity,
everything stops. So it was all centered around that individual
specific dream catcher.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
So how did where did this DreamCatcher come from?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well, they actually had been passed down from generations they
were I believe. She said that her relatives were Native
American and I tried to question her about their involvement,
maybe involved in something like spiritism or whatever, and she
couldn't pinpoint because it had been quite a while ago.
And I told her, I said, this is a hard
thing to deal with. But if this thing's haunted and

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it was, the spiritu are attached to this And my
experience is that the only way to get them away
from an object is to destroy the object. Because I've
told people before, if you get rid of an object
and give it to somebody, whether you sell it, you
hide it, you know, put in groad, seale, the spirits
just follow that object to the next person and will
continue haunting them until the object is destroyed.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
How did you come to the conclusion that it was
this object?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
What I use is I use a specific set of guidelines.
I question the people's belief system. I questioned the practices
that they do. I questioned the things that they purchased
recently or things they've had for a long time. And
out of a simple method of deduction, yes, sir, yes, sir,
thank you, I can't think of the work deduction. We'll
take things and I'll look at him and I'll try

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to figure out, well, does this look like something that
might be involved in some kind of spirittistic activity or
maybe involved a cult practice whatever, And nine times out
of ten, that's what it is. But there's every once
in a while I'll come across an object that I
was not aware of, and at a system of deduction,
we'll take it out and I'll tell them I said
take this or that out for a day, Robbie, nothing happens.

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website www dot The Occult Specialist dot com Robbie. Before
we went to the break, we were talking about this
DreamCatcher that you were able to IDENTI fiance the culprit.
And when you're destroying the dream catcher or any any
object where it's believed it is involved in a power

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normal activity, what is the best way to destroy it?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Well, I take it from the biblical premise and Deuteronomy
chapter seven, verse twenty six. It talks about either burning it,
cutting it, or breaking it. And if you think about
those are the three ways you can destroy anything on
planet or the breaking, cutting, and burning. If it's a
some kind of a metallic thing, you know, you try
to bend it as much you can so that no
one can reuse it. If it's a dream catch, you

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can simply break it or burn it, it doesn't matter.
I've had times when people have had Wigi boards that
they were using there were other culprit of hauntings that
we would try to burn them and they would not burn.
I meanber one time, two years ago, it took four
attempts to burn the Suigi board. It would not I
doubt that thing. With lighter fluid soaked it a lot

(12:56):
of flood, it just would not burn. And it finally burned,
and you know, of course the demonic activity stopped. But
we do.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Board is just a piece of void with alphabets on it,
numbers on it, yes, no, and a plunge it. So
how does it work?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Well, you're actually right, it's just a board with a planchet,
which is usually made of plastic or whatever. Well, what
it does is when someone takes a board or anything
and they use it in the form of contact through
a spirit. It becomes a portal, so to speak. And
the Wiedi board, the danger of it is. It's not
a danger in of itself, so to speak, but when

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it's used to communicate with spirits, nine times out of
ten the spirits come through are not friendly. They're usually malevolent.
And people they'll watch movies, they'll see comic books, they'll
watch games or whatever, and they think it's cool, and
then it'll realize that what they're doing is they're inviting
spirits that once they summon them into their home or

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car ware they're practicing Wiji board. Those spirits are not
going to leave. They have to be cast out or
forced out.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Robbie, what is the draw with young people and the
Ouiji board?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I think the draw is a simple fact that in
a world of science fiction, like you talked about science
fiction yesterday's today's science fact is that people are looking
for something more than the mundane world we live in,
whether it's electronics are just going to work, and they're
looking for something that's mystifying, something that something that's supernatural

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that is not really explainable. But they know it exists.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Let's just take a couple of steps back here, Bobby, Robbie,
I'm sorry, and maybe you can help me to better
understand this question because many of our listeners probably right
now and saying, well, wait a second. So the question
is what is the difference between the occult and the paranormal?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
All right, the occult and the way I define it.
And a lot of people have their different versions, but
the way I define is the occult is any practice
or religious belief system that contacts spirits that can be
malevolent and through, whether it means through Wicci boards or
spells and curses, casting them upon people, using spirits to

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attack people or to get their way in life, or whatever.
And the paranormal is the activity of these particular spirits,
whether it be poultergeist activity, whether it be simple hauntings
or what be it. And the reason why I say
that is because in my experience of twenty seven years
is if you have a cult activity, you're going to
have paranormal phenomena and vice versa because they both go

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hand in hand.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Right, So let's go back to the Wuiji board, because
if somebody goes with good intent and they're not doing
anything negative and they're not conjuring up spirits to do
anyone harm. Can the Weedi board then be used as
a tool for the good?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I would say no. And the reason why is I
take it from a Christian perspective, a biblical perspective, that
you shouldn't be contacting spirits. Parsee, if you want to
talk to God, he could talk to him directly, but
you don't need to talk to her spirit to talk
to God. And the reason why I say that, rob
is because too many times people with good intentions, for example,
if your mother died, like for example, three months ago,

(16:22):
my grandmother passed away.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, my grandmother passed away. And if I was not
a Christian and I was really grieved and wanted to
talk to her, and I didn't get a chance to
talk to her when she passed away, which is true,
I didn't. If I wanted to talk to her, I
could use the premise, Well, I'm going to use this
spirit board and I'm going to try to contact her
spirit and believe that I can talk to her and

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get some stuff straight away. But what happens is the
way I personally believe is that these spirits are masquerading
demons that can masquerade as an individual from the past,
and they can describe themselves and act like an actually
peer and manifest themselves as a person looked like before
they passed away, their mannerisms, their top of dressed, the

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whole bit. And the reason why I say that because
it ties with the Ouigi board, is I believe that
these spirits were masquerade as an individual that the person's
trying to communicate with. And it doesn't have to be
contact and demons, they think it can be talked to
grandmother or whatever, somebody who lived in their relatives or
whatever five or in years ago, whatever. But these spirits
will manifest themselves as that a specific person to try

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to have entrance through this Ouiji board, which is a
portal into this realm and into that person's life. And
what happens is every time someone has been using a
Wigi board, I don't care if it's me or anybody else,
bad things happen. I have never heard of good things
and only good things happen. It's always been a mixture
both and it usually winds up having them to be destroyed.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Now you do your demonology or exorcisms, and and you
investigate and you cast out based on your Christian beliefs am.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I correct, yes, sir, I do.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Okay. Now, what happens if you come across someone who
it's having paranormal activity, but they themselves are not Christians.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well it's really simple, I believe or not. I have
people like that constantly call me. Like I said, for
twenty seven years, that's gonna be twenty eight and twenty seventeen,
But for twenty seven twenty eight years, I've had people
of different faiths. And I don't choose and pick and choose, Okay,
I'm only going to help Christians, will help anybody. I
don't care if they're Buddhists and do. I don't care
if they're in VOLDI, Wicca or atheist or whatever. They'll

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contact me and they'll go usually before different avenues, and
it doesn't work, and it's kind of like, you know,
I'm kind of like a swat team of the paranormal realm,
so I speak usually after everybody does their thing and
it doesn't work. I'm usually the last one they call.
And it works when I do it. And I've tried
to persuade people. Why not just talk to me first

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and cut off a middle man. Let's get this old
with But I have never had any time that I've
dealt with this with the occult realm or the paranormal
where I've dealt with these things the way I'm talking
and describing on your show here. It does never backfired.
It has always gone and it's only been one time.
I never have to make two, three repeat visits. And
I kind of get a kick out of people who

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constantly tell me, well, you know I've had to go
back two, three times or several months. I'm like, well,
I do it one time, and I don't go back.
And I actually called my clients back to validate it's
done and said with and on my website, I have
a specific list of groups of people throughout the years.
I try to pick and choose who I got too
many of them and give the validation that what I've

(19:41):
done is real. It's not something that you know, I
worked for fifteen minutes and they had to call someone
behind me.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
What has been up until this time? Your most difficult
investigation that you've worked on.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I actually involved a little girl who's thirteen years old
and Bastrip, Texas, which is South Texas. Year two thousand
and five. I got called down to speak to a
church at that time and about the occult paranormal on.
Different people in the community came to hear me speak,
and while when I was talking, a little girl was
in the audience. And after we got through with the speaking,

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they brought her up to me and we were by ourselves.
I made sure it was not going to be a
public spectacle, just me and the pastor and her mom
and a few others to witness this. She had thirteen
spirits inside of her. When I started talking to her,
rob she fell on the ground, started convulsing. She started
speaking in different languages that I knew that she could
knew because there were male voices and they'd go in

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and out, in and out. She was telling me things
from stuff that happened. It happened before she was born.
It took me. Let's see, we dealt with that about
eight o'clock. I got finished five o'clock the next day. Wow,
as the spirits would not leave, and that I did
my best to try to identify their names, how they
got into her and sure what she was a Native

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American and she had been dealing with spirit totems and
had been communicating with animals that were I mean spirits
are manifesting themselves as animals, because every time I would
call up on these spirits to talk to it, to
cast it out, I would ask its name and it
would say, my name is horse, or my name is wolf,
or my name is raven. And I counted thirteen when

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we finally got done.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Where do you cast these spirits too? When you cast
them out?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well, like I said, I use a biblical premise. I
believe that the spirits that are on planet Earth are
here until Judgment Day and they're not going to go
to Hell. The reason why the here is because they
were set loose after they were cast out of Heaven.
So what I do, and this is kind of hard
to understand a little bit, but when you cast a
spirit out of somebody, it leaves that person and starts
to meet looking for somebody else. I mean, I can't

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make it go to Hell because I'm not God, and
it will not go to Heaven octually, so it only
has one place between Heaven all's planet Earth. But here's
the thing. Make sure I tell people rob when I
tell people and one not casting spirits out of people.
I always live into Christ right after that, immediately after that,
because what happens is if I don't, these spirits will

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go get some other spirits there more powerful and try
to re inter that person. And it's just like a cup.
If you empty a cup, something has to feel it
and uh and if it's filled, it can't be refilled again.
So when Perison becomes a Christian, those demons can't have access.
And so that's why it's very important that when I
tell people who are dealing with spirits like this that
it's very dangerous because certain religious belief systems invite spirit possession.

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Others invite spirit control, which is oppression from the outside.
It just it just a conglomerate of different things.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
So when you're when you're let's just take this last
case of this little girl and the living hell that
she went through. Did she remember what happened to her
while she was under the under the spell of these
spirits or these spirits were infesting her body?

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Absolutely not. She could not remember what she said to me.
She tried. One of the things she did was when
I started, when I mentioned the name of Jesus, she
hit hit the ground immediately, I mean just boomed like
a sack of ox, and she started writhing and convulsing,
and then she tried to bite me, I mean numerous
times on my feet and my legs, and I literally
had to keep moving because she was trying to attack me.

Speaker 9 (23:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
But the thing is she didn't have control over her faculties,
over her mind. It was almost like her she was
put on hold and these spirits just completely took control
of her mind, her spirit and the body. And like
I said, once they came out because I forced them
out through the name of Christ. One by one they

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left and the last one, which is always the worst,
it fights the hardest, but when it leaves, the person
will usually almost like they just were faming and woke up.
They don't know where they're at. They don't know who
they're talking to, what they said, or what they've done.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Do you think they're There are people in mental institutions
right now who are not mentally ill, but are possessed.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Absolutely. I have dealt with some of them, and I
really hurt in my heart for people. You know, Rob.
One of the things that we're one of the most
overcaated societies in the world. Everything has got a disease,
everything's got pill and a lot of the stuff that
we go through in humanity today is not medically sickness
is it's spiritual problems. I've dealt with people who who've

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been told that you are bipolar, or your schizophrenic, or
you know whatever, and they'll put them on the razan
or whatever kind of medicine to control them. And when
I'll sit down and talk to them and actually listen
to what they're saying, I come to find out they're
involved in some kind of spiritistic activity. And what I've
done is some of the cases I was allowed to
deal with is that I will talk to the people

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and actually start commanding the spirits to come to attention.
They do, much to the surprise of the people who
are dealing with them, and they come out and they're fine. Yes,
I do believe that a lot of people a tremendous
a lot of people who are mentally ill are not
really mentally or theyre under influence of inclined spirits.

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Robbierush is our guest Www. Dot The Occult Spiritualist dot
and Robbie, thanks very much for joining us. All was
great having you on the show. My friend, it's a.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Cult Specialist dot com.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Did I screw that up on you?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, you said a cult spiritualism.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Let oh we were talking about spirituals okay, Occult the
Occult Specialist dot com. Sorry about that, Robbie. Robbie take
us through the steps from the time somebody calls you
because they believe there is paranormal activity going on in
their home and how you and your team do the investigation.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, it's really pretty simple. I've got a six step
process I do. First of all, I talked to the person,
listen to what they have to say. I don't inject
any kind of information that they can use, just in
case this is a fraud or a hoax that they
can use to try to deceive me into believing something's
going on. I find out what's going on through their
own words, let them explain themselves, and then I do

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what's called a walk through a visualization. I'll go through
our visuals to me. I'll go through the home or
the location and just spot check things and see if
I recognize any cold activity through objects that they've had.
And a lot of times, rob what I'll do is
as I'm going through the through the visual process of this,
things will happen r after on the spot. I remember
one time I walked to the house. Within five minutes,

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you could hear sound like a snake hissing in the
corner of a room and there was nothing there. And
then you could hear a spirit actually say get out,
and I'm like, okay, I've only been here five minutes.
And a lot of times they recognize that I'm here
to get rid of them, and they'll start doing their
little thing to try to either frighten me or to
intimidate the homeowner or client or whatever to get me out.

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And then the next step is we start determining what's
been going on. Have they been doing any kind of practices.
Have you been practicing witchcraft? And the way I have
spells of curses and a lot of yad YadA. And
then when I started to find out out, I'll start
setting up equipment to try to detect things. As I'm
going through the home. I try to set up IR cameras,

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intray cameras in certain places, and I'll set up EVP
couarters and locations, and I'll just go about my business
and let them record. And that way I'm not got
to have I don't have to focus on holding this
stuff and let it do its thing, and sure enough
it records things as it's going on a lot of
times after I leave the room. And then when I
start identifying objects or things of the nature, I start

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to tell the client, this is what we got to do.
We got to destroy this. We've got to get rid
of this, and this, this this, and you've got to
renounce this, and I'll take them through the different steps,
which I refer to as code, and if I may elaborate,
that stands for consecration, obseecration, desecration, and execration, and those
are for objects. And if I come across the spirit

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that's missing with a person, I'll use a banishment, which
is a question to command in prayer and fasting maybe,
and then I'll take these things and i'll have the
client with me. I won't do it for them, so
they can't say that I'm coercing them. I'll ask them
if they will get rid of it there on, and
I'll stay there to make sure they do it right
and let them do it because it's something they need
to break free in their life. They'll destroy it, and

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then I'll start casting the spirits that are in that
house or whatever from those objects, or however they got
in through a portal, through the Luigi board or whatever.
I'll kick them out. And what happens after that is
like I said, if the person on a Christian, I
ask them if they would like me to talk to
him about the Gospel. If not, we'll leave. If so,
I'll talk to them. And it's interesting, Rob is that

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when I get through, there is such a spiritual release
in the room that the people every time say one
of three things, their heaviness is gone, there's a complete
piece that is unbelievable, or a number three. They just
feel like they just have been having tons of weight
lifted off their shoulders, and the room actually grows brighter.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
During the during the actual exorcism or expelling of the demons.
Do angels ever come in and give you a hand?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Actually, I don't asked them to. I know that the
Bible says that Jesus told me through scripture that he
gave me a power over serpents of scorpions, which is
a anagram for demons, is that he will send spirits
of the angels to help me. I don't talk to
them directly. I don't go, you know, Saint Michael, whatever
I talked to the spirit and the name of Jesus,

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l ask God to remove it through his power through
me and the angels that are there around me take
care of them and kick them out. I don't ever
communicate with angels. Why well, because the Bible says that
we In the Book of Revelation it talked about the
writer of the relations Apostle John. He was given an

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instance when he was talking to an angel and the
angels started telling him, you know, don't worship me, don't
try to communicate with me. You need to talk to God.
And as a Christian, I believe that we talk to God.
I don't need to talk to angels.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I know the angels, the Greek court angel is messenger
and they're sent for my benefit and for the messages
that the Lord will deliver to me individually in my mind,
but I don't I'm not encouraged in scripture to communicate
with them or talk to them. I just let them
do their job. It's kind of like it's kind of
like behind the scenes spirits if you look at like that.

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That I mean, I believe that there's angels and demons,
and I'm not here to make friends of demons, and
I'm not here to communicate with angels. I have a
relationship with God and in Christ Jesus, and he takes
care of all the behind the scenes work and he
just uses me as a good steward to help do
what I need to do.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
But what about these people who call themselves angel readers
or angel communicators.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well, I'm sure that you know they believe what they're
doing is right. I would disagree with them. I believe,
like I said, one of the things, Rob, I think
the whole premise is this, is that the angels that
are here on earth, that are good angels, are doing
God's bidding. They don't try to get us to worship
them or communicate with them. And the reason why I

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say this is because the Jesus said that when he
would go to heaven, he would send the Holy Spirit
to the world, and he would talk about Jesus, not himself.
So when an angel starts telling me it's name, and
it starts telling me stuff, and I'm like, okay, hold
on here, what you just said didn't line up with
the verses of the Bible, I know, and I'll start
asking it questions. And there is a premise that's actually

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First John that says any spirit it's for into angels
and demons that does not confess that Jesus Christ came
the flesh, it's not of God. And any spirit that
does confess that Jesus Christ is come to flesh is
of God. And when that means of the flesh is
talking about the Gospel from beginning to end. And every
time I listen to people, or talk to people, or

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hurt people in my cousins communicate with angels, they go
together for a little bit and then something goes wrong.
What goes wrong, well, what happens is the spirit will
start trying to get it off into a cult practices
every single time, and the person may not even know
where it is. The reason why I've heard to myself

(37:03):
as a cult specialist, rob is the fact that I'm
not an expert in the way of knowing how to
practice the occult. I'm an expert and understanding and recognizing
what it is and what it does. I mean, there's
tons of occult practice out there, you know, a to
z I could name every one of them, but I'm
familiar with almost all of them, and most people are not.
For example, there are people who are in phrenology. They

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have no idea what phrenology is, and other people you know,
will say, well, I'm into numerology, and most people know
what that is. But there's other small bit pits of
ocult practices people don't know that these spirits will try
to get them involved in, and because they're so far
out there, they're not aware what they lead to. And
what happens is this spirit will get these people caught

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up in it and try to be cray. For example,
about five months ago, I got a phone call from
a lady in another part of the country who was
talking to angels and spirits and I said, ma'am, those
are not what you think they are. And she said,
would you like to talk to one? I should share them,
And this just kind of sounds stupid, but I said,
put them on the phone. And she put the phone
down and started communicating with the spirit and I can

(38:07):
hear this in the background, and this thing started talking
to her and I said, you know what, in the
name of Jesus, I rebuked here and immediately rob her
this thing shut up. In fact, that lady got mad.
She said, what did you just say. I said, I
rebuked the name of Jesus. She said, Bolly won't talk
to me anymore. I said, well, ma'am, here's the funny thing.
If that angel was of God, then why I want
to talk to me about Jesus. And that's where I

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explained her, and sure enough she got a little bit
more involved in talking to me about things. She was
a ball in witchcraft, and I'm talking about spells and
a whole bit. I mean, I was like, ma'am, you
really gotten some deep stuff. And we stayed on the
phone for four hours.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
When should we start teaching kids about the dangers about
using Ouiji boards, about using tarot cards and basically, you know,
their interest in the paranormal India cult. When should we
start teaching the dance anger of these practices to children?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Well, I'm gonna use my own personal life rob as example.
I've got five grown children and I've got seven grandchildren,
and I started teaching them when they were a little
bitty and I'm talking, you know, able to communicate top things.
And I'm not sitting there going over details about stuff
because they can't even talk to me. But I just
kind of let them know that's not good, that's not good,
or this is good, that's not good. And around five

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or six years old, kids start developing an interest in
the spiritual realm. And this past Halloween, I was amazed
to see they actually have pocket raw pocket we gie
boards that are no bigger than a business card that
you can buy at toy stores, and little kids can
go on the playground at recess and try to communicate

(39:45):
with spirits. I mean my word. You know, you got
a certain practice over in Mexico that's hit the southern
parts of the United States where I'm living at, where
it's the kind of a version of Mary Mary Well,
it's still looking a mirror whill. They'll take two pencils
and they'll cross them on a piece of paper, and
they'll put yes and no on opposite ends, and they'll
ask it questions and it will move and talk to them.

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And these are kids who are five, six, seven years
old doing this.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Can animals get possessed like people can?

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Absolutely? I've dealt with demon possessed animals before, and unfortunately
now a lot of people may disagree with me about this,
but I take mine from the premise of the Bible.
I believe that individual people have the ability to make
a yes and no decision based upon reality and their
understanding of right and wrong. I believe animals have emotions.

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I believe animals have feelings, and they are important, and
they do you serve a function in our world. But
I don't believe they have an internal soul like a
human being does. And once a spirit controls an animal
through it being a familiar involved in Satanism or witchcuver whatever.
The only way to deal with that spirit is animal dies.

(40:55):
I mean, I've seen people who've tried to cast spirits
out animals and animal dies.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
And it's even a scripture in the Book of Mark
chapter five where the pigs were possessed and they died.
They and the funny thing is pigs are excellent swimmers,
yet they drowned because the spirits were controlling them and
would not let them move. And you know, you can't
ask a dog, you know, we'd like the spirit out
because it's not going to answer me. And you can't
have the you know, in other words, to answer a
question more fully. When an animal possess is possessed by

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a demon, it's only got one purpose is to kill
the animal. Once it's done with its purpose, it kills
the animal. And that's why a lot of people will
tell you that they've had horses or goats or dogs
or cats or whatever just die after they were doing
strange perminal thought and there's die and they would take
them a bet. And there's no reason why animals dead,
it's just that.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
That is that is amazing. How would an animal get possessed,
if it Bord or whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, what happens is in the occult, and I defied
the a cult rob in two different sections, the left
hand path, which is and the run hand patch, which
I referred to as witchcraft. And each one of them
have their own different denominations so to speak, and groups
and belief systems, but they all operate on the premise
of about spirit communication and the use of magic through
spells and curses. Now, what they'll do is they'll use

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an animal two and they'll actually use an animal as
a familiar and then they'll call upon a spirit that
they're familiar with, hen's the name, and they'll ask the
spirit to enter into their their pet or their animal,
and then we'll use the pet as a way to
divine the future or to spy on people, believe or not.
I've had people who've contacted me, who've made people, and

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for example Paula Mombe, which is a sorcery group of
Mexican witchcraft.

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Robbie Rush is our special guest www dot The Occult
Specialist dot com. Robbie, First of all, thanks so much
for coming on the show. Always great pleasure talking to you.
But let me ask you this, Robbie, If, if these demons,
if these devils, if these negative entities are here on

(48:35):
this planet, and yet we are protected by God, why
doesn't God stop these negative entities, these demons, these devils,
from entering people and causing havoc in their lives.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Okay, there's a real simple explanation for that. God doesn't
want a relationship with robots. He wants a relationship with
individuals who have the buildings saying yes I want to
talk to you, I don't. And because of that free
will exercise that God has implanted into human beings, rob
I believe that God has for a better purpose, allows
us to choose wrong or right, and if you choose wrong,

(49:14):
the or it is what happens. And if you choose right,
you know the world's what happens at And I believe
the reason why God does intervene, but to a limited
point is if he made us do this or that,
we no longer have free will. And it's kind of
like a spiritual universal connodrome where if you don't intervene,

(49:34):
you allow this to happen, but if you do intervene,
you kind of force it to happen. And that's just
one of the things. You know. I might ask God
when I get to heaven, why, but I do know this.
The Bible does say that all things work together for
good for those are called according to His purpose.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
But if God is the creator of all good and bad,
why did he then create the bad just to antagonize
and entrap the good who are weaker at one time
in their life for others? Why didn't he just say
you not, I'm not going to give these these people

(50:12):
my children, the ability to be possessed by negativity or evil.
I'm just not going to put evil on that planet
with those people. They can live a good, honest life.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Well, it's really simple. The Bible texas the Book of
Ezekiel and the Book of Revelation, and Daniel talks about them.
I'm sorry, Isaiah. The origins of evil and how it
works is really simple. God, in the beginning of time
there were no human beings, and he created spirits, angels,
and he gave them the ability of free will, and

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they could worship him and talk to him and communicate
with him freely. Well, unfortunately, when you create free will,
you create a freedom of ability to say no. And
when an individual spirit by the name of Lucifer decided
he was going to tell God no, that is when

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evil into the universe the cosmos. And because God gave
them free will, he's not going to force them. Okay,
you're going to talk to me and love me whether
you like or not. Garbage Satan I mean Lucifer became Satan,
which means adversary, or the devil, which means accuser. And
he talked a group of angels, one third of them

(51:29):
Core in the Bible, into following him and telling God, no,
we're not going to do what you want. We're going
to do your own thing. We don't have to do this,
blah blah blah. Well, they became known as demons or devils,
and so God took that from that moment on, that
freedom of free will from angels, whether they're good angels
or bad angels, or which are demons? And whatever they
were at that point is the way they stay. Now.

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The good angels are there to help God do his
will on this earth. Demons were kicked out of heaven. Well,
the only place he could come to his planner because
when God could add me was when they came here.
This is when all that happened right at the same time.
And for these spirits to do this. And here's the thing,
rob God wants demons gone. Okay, I know that for
a fact, because his word tells me that. But here's

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the thing. But in the process of giving me free will,
if I am forced to love God, there goes my
free will.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
But it makes no sense because if if God is
the father uh huh okay, the creator of all that
is and all that was and all that will be, yes,
then he has Look, I'm a dad, you're a dad.
I've got six kids, nine grandchildren. If I did to

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my children what God has done to his children, you know,
we'd be arrested, we'd be put in jail, we'd be
punished for crimes.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
That's true. But you know what, I know you as
a good dad, just like I myself am, I do
punish my kids.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
But you don't kill them, No, you don't destroy them.
And yet and yet and yet going to die, and
yet God, and yet God destroyed the planet, the planet
except for Noah and his family home.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Here's the thing, though, one hundred and twenty Okay, so
first of all, remember now, at that time, the world's
population was all on one super continent, okay, before the
flood of his own once supercontinent. And they had not
spread out, because that's what the command about when God
told me that the about our Bible to spread out,

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and they didn't. God spent one hundred and twenty years
trying to reach each and every one of them.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
If you could not reach your child, if you could
not reach your child, would you destroy your child?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Nope? But you know what, here's the thing. We're not
talking about physical we're talking about eternity.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Well wait, how do we know that?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
First of all, like I said, I go by the Bible.
Proba believe the Bible is absolutely I'm inspired, in errant,
and completely true. And by following that example, I have
the genesis to the revelation. I have all the answers
I need to know right there.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
But the Bible is also open to interpretation.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Actually, yes and no, because the Bible is actually its
own interpretive device. I mean, every single writer mentions every
other writer, okay, And that one hard verse is explained
in another simpler verse. That's why you cross reference each other.
That's why Bibles have cross references then the verses, so
you can see, well, this part that you have in
trouble has actually talked about from Genesis, and this verse

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over here in Ezekiel's mentioned over here in one Peter,
I mean references.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Is it possible that in the year twenty sixteen we
have outlived the use of religion in society?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Religion, yes, God, No.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
What's the difference is what is one without the other?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Okay, let me use it real simple. The Bible talks
about this very same thing. I'm glad you brought that up.
The Bible says if a person believes they're religious but
doesn't try to help their fellow man, that person's religion's
in vain. I mean there's a difference. Heart me put
this way. There are people who I know who are
devout Satanists, who worship Satan, I mean totally out Satanists.

(55:14):
They're anti abortion, okay, And I know some Christians who
were for abortion, and that should be the opposite. But
the thing about this is because of the divine free
will that God placed in human beings to not only
search for Him, but to have an unbridled relationship based
upon their willingness. God allows evil to help good to

(55:39):
be further, No one be honest with you. If my son,
who's twenty four years old, killed my wife, I would
support him being put into death. Why because he murdered
my wife.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
But you would not take the lawn to your own
hands and kill your own son.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
If my son rob I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm not gonna play the game like a lot of
people do with people today. If I walked in my
son hitting my wife in the head with a hammer
and beating the death, I would have to kill my son.
I'm sorry. I love my son, but I have a
priority God first. My wife is second, my children and
my grandchildren third, and everybody else's fourth.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Well you know what, I agree with you on a
lot of things, except I put my family first. Oh
do you yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Well, here's the thing. I put God first, because by
doing so, it actually does put my family first physically
on this planet. Because if I do love my family,
I am going to put God first because I love
him first. And that's what the Bible says said, seek
you first, the Kingdom of Heaven and his righteousness. Then
all these things will be bad to you, you know.
But on Christian But.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Once again, once again, Robbie, you're taking parts of the
Bible for your argument, but you're leaving out a lot
of parts within the Bible that are against that prove
your arguments wrong.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Actually not really, rob You have to look at context.
I remember now, the Old Testament was given as a schoolmaster.
The New Testament was what I live under. I don't
live on ear Old Testament guidelines. I can eat shrimp,
I can eat fish, I can eat pig. Okay, that
was all done away with the Book of Acts. It
was designed to show human beings. The Old Testament design
to show human beings. You cannot live by rules of regulations. Okay,

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that's what the whole Old Testama's for. The New Testament
to show us what you can live by.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Love.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
And if I do love my family, I'm going to
protect them and lay down my life. And I have
had that happen with people who are in the occult
have literally pulled guns on me, who've threatened me and
tried to attempted to kill my family and to kill me.
I've had law enforcement ball before, but you know what,
I forgive them, But I don't go out and to
say here, I am shooting.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
But what did you do in order to get these
people to pull weapons on you and to threaten you
and your family with death?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Really simple. I told them that Jesus Christ loved them
and that their only way to heaven is through him.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I'm serious.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
But aren't these Aren't these people also allowed to believe
what they want to believe, and if they don't want
to believe.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
They are You know, It's just like right now, you
and I are having discourse a radio about a different
beliefs system, but we're agreed to agree, but we're also
agreed to disagree. I never forced anybody to I've had
so many conversations over twenty eight years of people of
every religion and ethnicity on this planet, whether it's been
on the phone or radio or whatever in person, and
I never forced some You know, we have a talk,

(58:25):
and as I talked to them and share them my transformation,
they see something that they're missing. How old If they
don't feel that way, they walk away. How old were you?

Speaker 4 (58:33):
How old were you when you had your transformation?

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I was twenty three years old. Wow, I'm fifty one
right now.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
What happened in your life that made you turn well?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I had tried to commit suicide by driving off a mountaintop. Wow,
and I wind up landing on a road. I drove
off the mountaintop and landed on a road. Don't know
how it happened, but I did. And I was involved
in drinking and fighting and the cult, and I was
getting from I was going more from witchcraft into sorcery.
I wanted to kill people. I would put spells and

(59:09):
curse some people. I mean, I was a bad guy.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
You want listen, We've run out of time, but I
guess we can wrap it up that you know, you
went from one side to the other side, and you're
very happy and God bless you for the great work
that you do. Robbie. It's always a pleasure talking to you,
my friend.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
I appreciate it and look.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Forward to the next time you're back with us. Quickly
give our listeners your website.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
It's www dot The Occult specialist dot.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Com Robbie Rush has been my guest of the Sour Exponation.
Robbie'll be back in the future, you can count on it,
And I'll be back on the other side of this break.
As we wrap up this hour in the X Zone,
I'll be back with a new guest, new topic, new
ideas on the other side of this news break.

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