Rob McConnell Interviews - STEVE MILLOY - The EPA’s Illegal Human Experiments - The 'X' Zone Radio/TV Show

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Now here's your host, Rob.

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McConnell, and welcome.

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dot net. You know, in the last little while we've

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been talking a lot about well, let me see everything
from pollution to the greenhouse effect to is there really
any reason for alarm. Something that I'm finding very strange
is even within the scientific community there are two distinct,

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separate trains of thought. Yes, it's real, No it's not
climate control. What is the story behind the story? Well,
my guest to this hour is Steve nclloy, and we're
gonna ask Steve what is scare Pollution about? Now? Scare
Pollution reveals the shockingly fraudulent science behind EPA's flagship regulatory program,

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which has been used to destroy the coal industry, justify
global warming issues and rules, and assert EPA's control over
our fossil fuel dependent economy. Jeeves expos tells the story
of how he uncovered the fraud via his investigative journalism,
original scientific research, and revealing interactions with EPA, Congress, federal courts,

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and green activists. What is scare Pollution's main theme? EPA's
economy destroying rules depend on the false claim that particular matter,
for example, suit from smokestacks and tailpipes. It's so toxic
it kills five hundred and seventy five hundred and seventy
thousand Americans per year. Wow. I had to take a

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double take on that one. Steve.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah, absolutely, Hey, Steve Yeah, EPA Yeah. EPA says that
they call it particulate matter.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Kills one and is responsible for one in four American deaths.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, first of all, Steve, welcome to the XELL and
thank you so much for joining us. And tell us
how you got involved in this.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Oh, that's a long story. It goes back about twenty years,
and I guess I can point the finger at Saddam Hussein,
you know, when he used to be a securities lawyer
and when he invaded Iraq in nineteen nineties, the stock
market fell apart, and so did my employment in the
securities industry, and I wound up being hired by a

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guy who did lobbying in d C. And he hired
me because I was a lawyer, I also have a
background in science and statistics, and he hired me to
work on the up and coming issue of environmental risk
assessment and one of the first well all my first
projects involved the EPA, and you know, I began not

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knowing anything about any environmental issue at all, and so,
you know, I would go around asking people, well, you know,
EPACE makes all these assertions about you know, various chemicals
and pollutants and radiation just doing doing this and that.
How do they know that? And so I would be
told and I just I wouldn't believe it. So I

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would do my own church and pretty soon, you know,
you find out that when they really don't know what
they're talking about, but just making it up.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Is it just the EPA that's making it up? Or
are there other countries around the world.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Oh? No, it's much worse than that. You know. I
call this junk science, bad science that is used to
advance an agenda, and we are I mean, this comes
at us from so many different directions. I mean not
only regulatory agencies and politicians, but you know, the food nannies,

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the behavior police, from trial lawyers, from businesses trying to
sell you know, lousy product. I mean, there's just a
lot of people assaulting us with bad science all the time.
My particular you know focus most over the past twenty
five years has mostly been environmental issues, but we see
this in food is a great example. You know what

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people pass off as nutrition science, for example, it's just appauling.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
You and I have to take our first break. When
we come back, let's talk more. I've got a very
funny feeling myth. This is going to be one of
those shows that I end up scratching my head and
at the end of the night when I go home
and see my wife, she says, so, honey, how did
it go today? And this is one day I'm going
to say, you're not going to believe what I heard.
X O Nation. Our guest is Steve molloy. He he's

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going to be talking more to us about the EPA
and obviously other ratios that we need to know about.
This is the x O One. I am Rob McConnell.
We're coming to you from our broadcast center in Hamilton, Ontario,
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Speaker 3 (11:17):
Explanation. Our guest this hour is Steve molloy. He is
a recognized leader in the fight against junk science with
more than twenty five years of accomplished and experienced accomplishments
and experience, I should say credited with popularization and the
term adjunct science. Steve is the founder and publisher of
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and nine wrote the popular Junk Science column for Foxnews
dot Com. He is an expert on energy, environmental and
public issues, a public affairs consultant, author, TV radio commentator,
and public speaker. Can I ask you a question, Steve, Yes, sir,
how come you're not in the White House?

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Well maybe I will be. You never know.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Oh right, you've heard it first year on the Excellent Okay, Steve.
I had a scientist on earlier this week. I'm sorry, yeah,
yesterday who is telling me that there is unequivocal proof
within the scientific community that climate change, greenhouse gas, and
everything is nothing but a bunch of bunk. Then last

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week I had another scientist who had more alphabets under
behind his name than a can of Lipton's alphabet soup.
And he says, no, no, no, climate change is real.
Who does the public believe?

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Well, that's a great question. I would say In the
United States that the climate skeptics are ahead right now,
mainly because of the results of recent elections, including last Novembers,
where we now have the President of United States is
an outspoken climate skeptic, so to the extent, you know,
a meaningful poll has been taken would suggest you that

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climate skeptics have pulled out ahead.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Mind you, you've got the first uh first president within
the last six presidents who are going into a addressing
a joint session of Congress with the lowest popularity rating ever.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Well, yeah, you know that, and Hillary was going to
win in a landslide. You know, I would be careful
about leaving was the fake news media or the very
fake news says this is true with science? Also, you know,
people only think that there's fake news in just political news,

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but there's lots of fake news, and there's a lot
of fake news and science. That's what I've been spending
my time doing.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
So what is the real story? Steve? Based on the
investigative journalism, journalistic approach that you take to things when
it comes to climate control, what have you found?

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Well, okay, so my book deals mostly with air pollution.
But I you know, I have one of the primordial
climate skeptics. I've been a climate skeptic since the beginning
about twenty years now, and it always just how, you know,
it always was amazing to me how people presume to

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know the future. You know, in science, knowledge is only
what you can predict and then verify. But you know,
when it comes to climate, yeah, people make all sorts
of predictions. I mean, they can tell you what's going
to happen in twenty one hundreds. Of course, none of
us are going to be alive to see whether that's
true or not. But I've got you know, I have

(14:42):
to become a communist now so that I can prevent
you know, a storm in the year twenty one hundred.
It's just nuts, all right now.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Now, why I asked you about climate changes. I was
under the assumption that pollution has a lot to do
with climate change.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Well, look, the climate has has always been changing, although
you know, very very slowly and gradually and not really
all that noticeable. And I don't know, I mean, climate
is changing as we speak, but very slowly and gradually.
And I don't know that anyone can really tell me
that climate has changed all that much. Mean, winter is

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basically still cold, Summer is still you know.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Oh whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Listen. I live in Hamilton, Ontario, right in between Lake
Ontario and Lake Erie. Usually we have at least five
feet of snow still on the ground on this date,
February of the twenty eighth. You know, okay, there's not
an ounce of snow anywhere.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Okay, well, you know you said the key word usually
but not always.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Like it seems as we've been going on for the
last five years, it's been getting warmer less snow warmer less, no,
warmer lessn So how do we attribute this to?

Speaker 5 (15:54):
I don't know. I mean, I don't have an explain
There is no explanation. No one has an explanation. Sure
there are people that want to say, oh, it's man
made greenhouse gases, therefore we must, you know, do solar
and win, that's the solution and that will change everything
or whatever. I don't know. I don't know how they
know all these things. And I don't know how they
how they know that you know, today's or you know,

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there's let's say there's you know, four hundred and two
parts per million carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. How they
know that that's the perfect amount of carbon dioxide in
the atmosphere and you know that war is not better
or what. I don't know how they know all these things.
They must be really.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Smart se Either that or we're pretty gullible.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's one of the two, and I think
I know which one. You know, in the United States,
this is the warmest February in the past thirty years
by a lot, right, But then a friend of mine
has meteorologist, said, well, you know, February nineteen fifty four
was a you know, a degree and a half fahrenheit

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warmer than this month. Well that's you know, about seventy
eighty parts per million CO two ago and a lot
of methane. So if you know the greenhouse gases are
causing a warming, well why was nineteen fifty four so warm?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I don't know there were more cows expressing their their
methane gasm. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
But no, there are no answers to it's just hysteria.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Is it hysteria?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Or is is there a reason why we're not being
given the real answer?

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Well, you're right, Well, the people who I think don't
want us to have the real answer. I mean, there
are a lot of agendas at work. Sure, you know,
this is, after all, jug science, so there are you know,
there is a political agenda at work, there's an economic
agenda at work, and they both worked to create hysteria
among the public. But you know, and I think it
was catching on, I mean the hysteria the mid two thousands,

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it gained traction. I mean it resulted in an important
Supreme Court decision that you know, allowed the EPA to
regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant, which is kind of
crazy when you think about carbon dioxide is necessary for life,
How can it be a pollutant? So, but that was
kind of the peak of the hysteria. And ever since

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two thousand and nine, when you know, climate Gate occurred
and we found out what these climate scientists were really
all about, right, and we have also you know, the
global warming pause, which is you know, still going on
despite all the extra greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. You
got to one ask, well, you know, why are they

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doing this? So you got and for me, you got
to look at the agendas. I think that's the most
important thing you got to look at there. The political
agenda is extremely strong, and then you have the guys
that want to make money off it.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Everybody wants to make money off it.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Well, I just assume it goes away.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Me too, me too. But here here's the question, how
is it going to go away? How are we going
to be to get rid of the pollution. If the
Earth is surrounded by our little latmosphere and nothing can
expel itself into space, So what happens to the politic?

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Well, I don't we don't you know, we don't know
that carbon dioxide and greenhouse gases are really trapping all
that much heat that the Earth can handle, and that
we won't actually like it better. We just we just
don't know. That's all very uncertain, you know it. The
northern hemisphere has been warming since at least sixteen fifty,

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which was you know, the depths of the little ice
age overall the Earth. You know, we think the Earth,
if you look at the geological rerecor, we think the
Earth has been cooling for about two million years. Yeah,
who knows what's going on? Who knows?

Speaker 3 (19:48):
I understand that you uncovered a lot EPA's illegal human experiments.
I can tell us about this experimenting against humans with
by the EPA.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Yeah, EPA. Well, first, you know it's important to go
back to that number five hundred and seventy thousand. So
EPA says that outdoor air kills one four American deaths
are due to outdoor air five hundred seventy thousand Americans
a year diet because of the outdoor air. And I
always thought that was just total nonsense, And it turns
out EPA did too, because EPA only was able to

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make that claim based on some very controversial statistical studies.
The data for which they hid they've been hiding for
twenty years. No one can verify it, but nonetheless, so
in an effort to validate their statistics, they have been
conducting experiments on humans and so at the University of
North Carolina, they have an actual gas chamber, and into

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this gas chamber, you know, outside the building, they idle
a diesel truck and they piped the exhaust into the
gas chamber where they their human guinea pigs. And these
guinea tigs are can be senior citizens up to eighty
years old. They can be people that have diabetes, people
with heart disease, obese people, smatics, and EPA is trying

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to cause something to happen in these people. They expose
them to very high levels of diesel exhaust and other pollutants.
I found experiments where where EPA was exposing college students
to chlorine gas, you know, like it was World War
One or something like that.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
It's starting to sound like the atrocities of the two
World Wars.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yes, and then possibly the most outrageous of all, at
the University of Southern California and University of California, Los
Angeles UCLA, EPA, EPA funded researchers were spraying diesel exhaust
up the noses of ten year old children. So I
uncovered all of this, and the story is in my book,
and you know, got Congress involved in the EPA Inspector

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General and the National Academy of Sciences and and you know,
but you'd be surprised at how much political protection e
p A has been under.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Having a bit of a hard time, I'm having a
bit of a hard time digesting all of this.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's well, no, it's hard to believe.
It's extremely hard to believe. How you have to you
have to read about it.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, well, ay, lest I'm going to get a copy
of your book, and I'm going to make sure everybody
I know gets a copy of your book. But how
come through the mainstream media? This story hasn't broke far
and wide.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Well, I mean it, you know, it has bubbled up
from time to time, it has you know, well, first off,
we have the fake news media and they don't you know,
if if if you're reporting something that's embarrassing about you know,
e p A forgetting, that's just that's not going to happen.
So it has popped up in you know altern to me.

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It was on you know, Drugs Report. I've been on
TV about it. But but you know, EPA has been
pretty successful at squashing it so far. But you know
there's a new sheriff in town now, so I think
those days are over.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Does does President Trump have a copy of your book?
And and does he know what the EPA has been
doing to the citizens of the United States.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Well, I can tell you that I was on the
Trump transition team for EPA, so you know, I do
have kind of a pipeline into so people are are
people do know are learning? And you know, I expect
appropriate actually be taken.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
I would hope so, I would truly hope. So because
if the EPA is doing what we have been hearing
you tell us about the experimentation with humans, someone has
to be held accountable. And who was the president who
allowed this to happen?

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Well, this started happening under Bill Clinton, then it happened
through the George Bush administration and then to the Barack
Obama administration, and EPA still wants to do it, and
it just they can do this because the EPA is
the most powerful federal agency in the US government, much
more so than the IRS or anything else, and it

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is extraordinary. EPA lords over every other federal agency.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Steve, stand by you when I have to take a break. Explanation.
My guest this hour is Steve molloy. He is the
author of Scare Pollution, Why and How to Fix the EPA.
He is also the founder of junk science dot com.
This is this is truly shocking, and we're going to
find out on the other side of this break how
you can get a copy of this book and we'll

(24:45):
have to do something about it. This is the x oone.
I am Rob McConnell. Steve molloy is my guest, and
we'll both be back on the other side as we
continue here in the X Zone. Unless the EPA finds
a way across the borders and snuffle me between now
and then.

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Speaker 5 (29:50):
How you do it?

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I don't know. Steve and I were talking off air
as we do during the commercial breaks, and you know,
it really annoys me because I am a dad and
I am a granddad that a governmental agency of the
United States would actually put diesel fuel a fumes up

(30:14):
the nose of a ten year old. And you know, Steve,
you brought up the point, well, it's all because of particulates,
right that, Yes, you know the I guess the jury
is out as to whether it is harmful or not.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
No, it's not. It's harmful, though I exhaustively prove that
it is not harmful in my book. It's not the
whole point. The whole point of my Human Experiment story
is that EPA says that these particles are the most
toxic substance on the planet. If that was true, it
was just assume for the sake of argument that it

(30:50):
is true. Then why in God's name, How in God's
name can they expose ten year old children, eighty year
old people. I mean, these are the people that ep
says are most vulnerable to particulate pollution. How can they
expose them to exceedingly high concentrations in a laboratory. That's criminal,
it is if P two point five is as dangerous

(31:11):
as EPA says, So it's just flat. It's like a
Tuskegee experiments, all.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Right, So let's let's use history as our benchmark. History,
to me is the greatest evidence that you can ever
find to any argument pro or con. So what are
we saying here that it's not harmful because the EPA
did this in a controlled environment in a laboratory, that

(31:41):
they put the fumes of a diesel truck up the
nose of a child, and that it's not dangerous. Did
we have any any medical reports to to go along
with ep findings or are we just taking the EPA
at point blank zero proof the way you go, you
say it's you say it's it's not harmful, it's not harmful.
What do we do here?

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Well, I don't know exactly what answer you're looking for
of me.

Speaker 8 (32:11):
I want the truth, damn it, the truth.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Well, no EPA knows. Look, the reality is that these
experiments are harmless, and you have to look but you
have to look at why did EPA do these experiments
in the first place. Remember earlier we talked about how
their claims about particular matter killing people are all based
on statistics. Statistics are not science, so they needed to

(32:36):
find some biological or medical evidence to support their statistics. So, well,
how do you do that. Well, they tried poisoning animals
with particular matter. It didn't work.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
I'm sure the American Humane Society would love to know that.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Let's go on, you kill I've got some great pictures.
You can't you can't kill. You can't kill laboratory mice
with particulate matter. You just can't, you know you. I
mean even if they smoked, you can't kill them. So
what they did was, well, we'll we'll experiment with people.
So just and you got to stop right there, because
what does that mean? We're going to experiment with people

(33:14):
to prove prove our statistics statistical claim that people die
from this. So are we trying to kill people? I
mean that's the mindset. They're trying to hurt people to
bolster their you know, uh, for lack of a better word,
crappy statistics. It's outrageous. I mean, this is a government
that is completely out of control.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
But is it going to be any different with the
new administration than it was with the past two administrations.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yes, yes, because President Trump, who has been the only
Republican I have ever heard say this all the time.
It was a campaign put to roll in the e PA,
rain in the e PA, roll back to EPA. The overreach.
You know, I've been working on ep issues for twenty
five years. I have seen nothing but regulatory overreach. You know,

(34:03):
it's not nineteen seventy anymore. Yeah, when the air wasn't
as clean as it should be, and sometimes the river's
caught on the fire, Okay, those are acknowledged problems, but
that was all cleaned up in about twenty years. Since then,
since about the early nineteen nineties, this has all just
been regulatory overreach and overkill. And it, you know, it

(34:24):
hit its peak during the Obama administration when Barack Obama
used this particulate matter science, you know, quote unquote science
to destroy the coal industry in the United States to
pass his he used it as justification for his global
warming rules. You know, the acclaimed benefits for his global
warming rules, they don't come from reductions in greenhouse gases.

(34:45):
They actually come from reductions in emissions of particulate matter
from coal plants, because EPA says these emissions are killing people.
So I mean, this is a very you know, and
this is EPA created science. It's fraudulent science, and it
needs to be exposed. And it has been exposed, and uh,

(35:06):
you know, the new administration I think is going to
put an end to it once it gets you know,
uh into the swing of things.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Listen, I must tell you something that that I I
think President Trump is the right man for that job
because I look at a country as a business and
he is a businessman. You know, politicians are one thing,
but in my opinion, we need a businessman at the
helm to make our country stronger. And I'm talking about

(35:36):
Canada because we've got it. We've got a poet as
a prime minister. You know, his degree is in poetry.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yes, m'st be very proud.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Oh who do.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I call him? Numbnuts? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (35:52):
And just before we get off the particulate matter, rob,
I've got to say that, you know, some of these
some of these human experiments are going on in Canada.
They're not necessarily EPA funded, but they are going on
in Canada.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Oh, come on.

Speaker 8 (36:04):
Let's look back at it. Hey, listen, that is nothing new.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
That is nothing new. Let's look at the experiments that
were done at the Ellen Memorial Hospital by the CIA
using LSD and sleep debt provision, you know. And what
really pisses me off about that experiment, my mother, God
bless her, was one of the subjects.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Oh, and this is what.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
I know that for a fact. I know that for
a fact, And you know you're right. I'm not proud
of my Prime minister, Like you know, I just hope
to hell that there's a vote of non confidence. And
there's a gentleman by the name of O'Leary who is running,
who is a lot like Donald Trump. And I hope
to god Canadians use their brains, which happens if it's

(36:49):
if they're not watching hockey or having a Tim Horton's coffee.
If they use their brains and see that we need
a business person in Canada to take us into the future,
because Canada is a business. The United States of America
is a business, you know. And I hear, I hear
Donald Trump wanting to bring jobs back to the United

(37:12):
States to charge taxes, and you.

Speaker 8 (37:15):
Know what, I'm saying, my god, shocking, shocking, but but
very refreshing.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Yea refreshing course.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know, my wife and I did did some research
for a TV show a couple of weeks ago down
in the down in the Caribbean, and I'm amazed by
the by the by the divide between those who support
President Trump and those who just hate them. There's there's
no middle ground. It's either you love them or hate them.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
Yeah, it's it's very civil war like in America at
this point. It's just it's a it's a very sharp divide.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
But what can listeners do when it comes to.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Well, okay, so I think that the you know, I
appreciate that Trump as a businessman, and you know, these
economies need to be run like businesses, no question about that.
Espe the government's do too. We need to make do
things that makes sense. But I think one of the
one of Donald Trump's real values is that is his
his his idea that political correctness prevents you from from

(38:20):
saying from saying things.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Is that.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
I mean, so people like me who question is mainstream
junk science. You know, they've been trying to shut us
down for decades now, making us politically and correcting. They
call all sorts of names. It calls deniers, you know,
liking likening us to Holocaust deniers. Were you know, they've
they've suggested that we should be tried at like a

(38:48):
neuve Berg tribunal. I mean, Bernie Sanders wanted to jail
climate skeptics. I mean, it's so Donald Trump though he's
changed the culture. I mean it's you know, it's hard,
but he is. He is doing his best to you know,
get rid of political correctness. And do you know what,

(39:09):
we can talk about these things and.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
You should be able to talk about these things because
I always believed that Americans had the freedom of speech.
Isn't that part of your constitution? You know, it seems
that it seems that if anybody talks about the right
to bear arms, all Americans get pissed off. But there
are certain parts of the truth that you try and

(39:32):
talk and you know, people try to suppress you.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Yeah, yeah, no. And and you know, the fake news media,
you know, if you criticize them, then you're you know,
against the First Amendment. I mean, it really completely twisted
the culture and the meaning of free speech, just everything.
And but Trump is the iconic class that's going to
take them down. And I think it's just he's an
amazing phenomenon to watch. You don't even have to agree

(40:00):
with him. I mean, what he's done to political correct
is so far has just been incredible. And hopefully by
the time he's done, there's nothing less of it and
we can go back to you know, look, we don't
have to agree, but let's at least be able to
listen to each other's points of.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
View right exactly exactly. And I think that this is
something that is that is missing, is the ability to
have a conversation and disagree, to agree, but to come
to a to a conclusion and to a solution. It
can happen.

Speaker 8 (40:32):
And why this has compromise or something exactly, just.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Like President Trump is doing now on the immigration situation.
He's putting forward a compromise, and of course he's of
course they're going to nail him to the wall because
now they're going to say he's backing up and he's chickening. None, no, no, no,
he's a smart businessman. I love the guy. Yeah, well
I love him as a president no other way, because
I don't want to get it.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
If you want to cut a deal, you can't start
out on the other guy's side, exactly.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Plus I plus I don't want to get into the
transgender discussion at this point. I've got enough problems.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
No, it's just it's it's been a crazy time.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
You know, it has been. And as an American, as
a member of the media, Ask somebody who's been watching
the EPA for all these years, do you see the
light at the end of the tunnel? And I hope
your tunnel doesn't have a train coming forwards.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Well, I tell you when when as I was watching
the election returns come in early on November eighth, you know,
I was just watching my life, my professional life passed
before my eyes. I thought, oh my god, Hillary's gonna
be president. That's gonna be the end of me. We're
never it's gonna be the end of the country. We're
just never going to, you know, have be able to
talk about anything again. But then, of course, six hours later,

(41:49):
trumple's on his way to winning. So everything turned around,
and you know, my transition team experience became a lot
more positive.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
So yeah, look, I you know, now there is an opportunity,
this is a moment in time to fix a lot
of things. How much will get six Well, I don't know.
We're just going to have to see. Everyone's going to
have to work hard. But you can see what the
opposition is like in the United States, right, I mean
the second the day after the guy was inaugurated, I mean, Washington,

(42:17):
d C. Was a zoo filled with all these left
wing protesters.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Like, you know, enough is enough, you know. And then
you've got CNN, I mean the Clinton News Network that's
out there that is doing anything it can to bad
amount the president. And I believe in the freedom of
the press. Being a member of the meetium myself, I
appreciate that. However, I find the media today has lost
its respect, not only for the public, but also for

(42:46):
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seats and deserve respect. Yes, report on it, but you
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Of that, Welcome back. Steve and molloy is our special
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and How to Fix the e p A. He is

(48:21):
also the founder of junk Science dot com. Steve, where
can people find your book.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
You can get it at Amazon dot com. If you
buy it at junk Science dot com, I will sign
it for you.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
There you go dot com.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
That is true.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
So what what?

Speaker 6 (48:40):
What?

Speaker 3 (48:40):
What do people do? Do they write their congressman, do
they write their senator? Do they write a letter to
the president? What should John Q public do?

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Well? In the United States, they've kind of already done
the right. They've voted for Trump. Now it's time to
deliver on what they voted for. In Canada, what do
you guys get your own battle? Right? Oh?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, hey, listen, do you would you like a would
you like a prime minister who knows poetry? Come on,
I'll send him down.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
And he's a boxer two right.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, right, I'd like to see the box he could
get himself out of.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Unfortunately, unfortunately there's a parallel here in Canada as there
was in the United States, where you had George Bush
and then George Bush junior, and here in Canada we
had Pierre Elliott Trudeau, who is justin Trudeau's dad, who
was Prime minister. Yes, so there's a lot of I
guess that we have to follow whatever you guys do

(49:36):
one way or another.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Well, let's hope not Let's hope you don't have to
go through to Obama. Well, hopefully Trump will be a
success and you guys will see, oh you don't need
to be politically corrected. Maybe we should get someone like
they have.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Well, you see, our prime minister is saying if the
United States do not want you, we will take you.
And I'm saying build the damn wall quick, right.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Yeah, you know, I don't even really understand why we're
separate countries to start with, but whatever.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Neither there way since since our air defense is taken
a care of by by NORAD, which is you know,
the United States, and I think we might have a
corporal or a lieutenant there just to make it look good.
And I also think that we are the safety zone
between Russia and the United States because if there's the
nuclear conflict, hey, let's let's let's shut each other down

(50:29):
on top of Canada and if anything goes wrong, we'll
just blame Canada like they did in South Park. Yeah,
oh yeah, so you.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Know, well, I'm hoping for the best here and maybe
the rest of the world will go oh yeah, it's
not over. We don't have to just do what progresses
want us to do.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
That would be nice, wouldn't it. Mm hmm, that really
would be nice. What's next for you, Steve? What are
you going to be doing? Are you going to be
going back to Washington? Are you going to be well?

Speaker 5 (51:00):
I lived in Washington and I want to see you know,
it was on a transition team. So we wrote this
great plan for EPA, and I'd like to see that
implement it somehow. It's a culmination of all the you know,
my twenty five twenty six years have been working on
this stuff. I'd love to see science get repaired. You know,

(51:21):
EPA has done a horrendous job of destroying the way
science is done. You know, there are science and other
parts of the government we sort of touched on this
earlier that need to be repaired. Government has you know,
it's not just EPA has destroyed science, but government has
destroyed science because you know, government funded science often has

(51:42):
an agenda. That agenda is just it's not always very good.
So you know, I want I want to fix science,
you know. So you know, I've always had sort of
a torture relationship with science, and we have studied it
in school, but I never really wanted to be a
science Ironically, I wound up, you know, being a sort

(52:03):
of a science critic and science watchdog. And okay, since
I have sent my time doing this, I want to
see it get fixed.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
There's a lot of people who were talking in the
past about these Kevin trails. Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
No?

Speaker 5 (52:20):
No, I mean you mean the stuff that comes out
of jet airliners.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Oh yeah, that's calm trails. But these contrails, these people
think they're kem trails where the government is spewing out.
I don't know what they think it is. Some think
it's uh, you know, population control.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Other people, you know, they're not smart enough to do
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I mean, you've just got to wonder, don't you. But
what's the truth? What's what is the real We've got
about seven minutes list what's the real story about the
coal industry?

Speaker 5 (53:02):
What do you mean? What's the real story?

Speaker 8 (53:06):
As people say it is that, what do you mean
as that the the spewing of the black.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
As a matter of fact, Look, the way coal was
burned in a modern cold plant, it's it's it's extremely clean.
I mean, there's nobody, nobody is harmed by that. In China,
if you look at you their cities are filthy, their
air is filthy. Well, part of that problem is their
transportation and their you know, lack of controls on their industry.

(53:36):
But I think the largest problem in China is because
it happens during the winter, is that you know, the
Chinese are basically poor. Not everybody has electricity or natural
gas hookups. So how do they heat and cook? Well,
they kind of heat, like I don't know, if you
use an example, like if you remember I Love Lucy,
you know, they're the building that the Ricardo's lived in

(53:58):
had a furnace and they shoved coal into the furnace
and this is a very inefficient way to burn coal.
And there's no scrubber on top of the smokestack, and
so the soot just goes out the top. This was
you know, London's problem for you know, during the nineteenth
and early twentieth century, and this is Beijing's problem now

(54:20):
all the Chinese cities because all these people use these
little coal briquettes to heat and to cook, and they
especially do this in the winter when they need to heat,
and so the air gets filthy. It's not the it's
not the problem the coalplants, so they had more coal plants,
and more people were hooked up to electricity from coal plants,
their air would be a lot cleaner. Now that's that problem.

(54:41):
Why you know the coldustry in the United States, these
were just they're managed by fools.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
I worked in the coldustry for a number of years.
I tried to get them interested in this PM. I said,
listen to this PM two point five. EP is going
to use this to destroy you. Sure enough, Obama administration
did just that. The market value of the colonistry went
up up and smoke, no pun intended because of PM
two point five. And the whole time, those guys they

(55:09):
just you know, they couldn't believe it. What's going to happen?

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Any more books coming up in the near future.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Well, I gotta you know, I want to see this one.
You know, I don't.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
I'm not writing the book just so I can say
I wrote a book and sell it and make my
I wrote the books that I have my story. I
need to get people educated on this. I need to
get these issues changed. The Trump administration represents a unique
opportunity for me to make these changes. At EPA to
improve the way science is done to make sure this
does not happen again. So that's my focus right now.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
What are your find I do have other ideas, I'm
sure you do. You sound like a guy who's a
go getter and who who finishes what he starts, which
is commendable. What are your final thoughts for the members
of the explanation around the world.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
Well, I just you know, everybody cares about the environment,
or at least they say they do. Well. I mean,
then if you do, then you really ought to spend
some time learned about it. Now. A good way to
do that is to read Scare Pollution, I think because
Scare Pollution, you know, it's it's my twenty five year
journey through crappy science that EPA, fraudulent science. EPA has

(56:17):
thrust upon the rest of the world, this PM two
point five stuff. You're going to be punished with it
in Canada if you're not already. The Europeans are being
punished with it, The Chinese are being punished with it.
It's used to scare people around the world. There are genuine,
you know, air pollution problems. We're seeing this now in
like London and Paris, and you know, ironically that's actually

(56:39):
been caused by global warming hysteria. You know, the Europeans
wanted to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, so they encourage diesel engines.
Of course, diesel engines spew out more nitrogen oxides, which
have you know, led to the air quality problems in
Europe's big station.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
So let me ask you.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Let me ask you this. If if diesel engines spew
out what is nitrogen nitrognoxide?

Speaker 5 (57:06):
You had a lot of stuff, But that's one of
the things.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Is nitrogen oxide dangerous to people?

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Well, you know, in a high enough concentration, I suppose
it can be a throat irritant. I don't think, you know,
uh no, I don't think air quality really hurts anybody
around the world. It's more of an aesthetic issue. Even
in China, as bad as the Chinese air is, it's
really just an aesthetic issue. There's no you know, qu
at the hospital people that have respiratory problems. It doesn't

(57:35):
cause asthma, that's all nonsense, but it does, you know,
make the air look bad and makes things grimy, and
people don't like it. It's an aesthetic problem. It's a
serious aesthetic problem. But you know, no one's health is
at risk.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Why doesn't the scientific community just get on board with
what people want and find alternative fuel methods?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:04):
You know, well how about how about hydrogen or helium depensive?

Speaker 5 (58:10):
And it's dangerous, right, I mean, I mean there are
reasons these things don't catch on. They're expensive, they're impractical,
and they can be dangerous.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
But it could it also be possible. Could it also
be possible that the people who are in the coal
industry as well as in the fossil fuel industry really
don't want to lose the money that they're making hand
over fist from.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Well, of course they of course they don't. Then why
should they? I mean, fossil fuels are I mean, I
view them as a gift from God. I mean, they're
trillions of dollars underground. Look at Alberta, right, they're sitting
on forty five trillion.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Dollars not any more, not anymore.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
They sold it to the child, so it's only twenty
trillion there. Whatever. You know, if the price goes back up,
it's I mean, they're sitting on a lot of money.
Why would you just let it sit there? I mean,
you know, the beautiful thing about capitalism is we create
wealth out of nothing.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
There's another saying that bullshit baffles brains. We've got to say,
so long for an how I want to thank you
so much for joining us. You have continued success exponation.
If you'd like to find out more about Steve, his
website is junk science dot com and he is the
author of Pollution, Why, and How to Fix the EPA.

(59:26):
I disagree with him about the coal industry. I, for one,
am one for alternative energy. The rich get richer and
the poor gets sicker. We'll be back on the other
side of this break. Don't go away.

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