November 28, 2025 • 38 mins
Terri Daniel is an author, spiritual teacher and Certified Transition Guide who works with assistance from the Other Side to advance a metaphysical perspective on birth, death and the afterlife. Her recent book, "A Swan In Heaven" is based on after-death dialogs between Terri and her son, who left the physical plane at age 16. Her new book, "Embracing Death: A New Look at Grief, Gratitude and God," examines cultural myths about the afterlife and offers a path to alternative perceptions via meditation, visualization and channeling. Terri conducts workshops and metaphysical study groups around the U.S. and also counsels bereaved individuals by offering alternative perspective s on the experience of grief and loss. She has spoken on the topic of conscious death to community gatherings, churches, bereavement groups and spiritual conferences, and her articles have been published in Whole Life Times, Neurology Today, Exceptional Parent, Pure Inspiration, Special Child, Children's Hospice.org and related websites.
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four seven, three sixty five Terry Daniels my special guest
this hour exonation. Talking to Terry about her recent book,
A Swan in Heaven and it's based on the after
death dialogues Terry has between herself and her son, who
left the physical plane at age sixty. Terry's website is
www dot afterlife awareness dot com and Terry Terry Jennal,
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Welcome to the xone.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Thank you great to be here.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Tell me tell me a little bit of the history
behind your the fabulous works that you do in grief
counseling as a certified transition guide.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Well, it all started, I suppose, you know, way before
this lifetime. I had always been interested in metaphysical studies,
and when my son was diagnosed with a life threatening
illness at age ten, all the pieces sort of began
to come together when I realized that he was not
going to live more than five or ten more years
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and started to look at the world completely differently because
of this experience of what does this mean? What is
the lesson? How are we all moving forward through this experience,
rather than Oh, my God, why did this happened to me?
It started to make sense what I was intended to
do when I came to Earth, to teach and to
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do this work. After my son died, he began speaking
to me from the other side, very clearly, very easily,
very quickly. We had absolutely lucid dialogues, which became the
content of my last book, A Swan in Heaven. And
I was able to kind of travel back and forth
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across the dimensions with him, where he explained to me
what it's like to die, what happens, what is the
journey of the soul? And this is now what I teach.
And of course my biggest audience is people who are
greeting bereaved parents. In particular.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Tell me, Terry, after doing the work that you've been
doing for this time, why do you believe people are
afraid of death?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, at the risk of offending some of your listeners,
the real basic answer to that question is religious doctrine.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Western Judaeo Christian religious doctrine. The notion of a judgmental
God is the primary reason for the fear of death.
If you look at other cultures that don't have that
type of theology people don't have a fear of death.
It's really kind of a Abrahamic religious tradition Judaeo Christian Islam,
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because there is a concept of heaven, hell and judgment
and the idea of God as a man in the
sky who has an opinion and watches over us, and
if we don't do everything right, we go to this
horrible place called hell. That is absolutely not true. And
I tried to, among other things, help people work with
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that image and get rid of it if possible.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
What kind of beliefs make the grief process more difficult?
Are we just looking at the at the religious implications
or there are there other social sociological aspects that people
really don't want to talk about.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Well that there's so much to that question. I mean,
it's not just the religious doctrine in heaven, hell and judgment.
That I have found in hospice work and in grief work,
that people who believe that there is nothing non physical,
that after the physical body dies, it's just flatline, blackout nothing.
I actually find that those people have more problem, more
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difficulty dealing with death and grief than anybody else. That
is probably the biggest obstacle is the sense that there
is total annihilation. And I think I might actually even
say that that's the biggest reason why people are afraid
of death. They're afraids they're going to disappear because they
only identify with the ego aspects of the self physical body.
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Who I am. You know, I live in this city,
and I have this name, and these are my children,
and this is my work and all that earthly stuff.
And the idea of that disappearing to many people is
like the end of existence. If we realize that there
is no end of existence, that there is another aspect
of ourselves, our soul or essence or divine white or
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whatever you want to call it, that continues to exist
in other forms and other dimensions, then there's nothing to
be afraid of because there is no annihilation. And the
other aspect of what you're asking about social stigma. You know,
death is unspeakable in modern Western society, and I'm sure
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we've all experienced this when there's a death in the
family or we're grieving. You know, there's a whole list
of behaviors that are very predictable and common around death
where people won't talk about it. People will say Okay,
it's time to let go of your husband who just
died and move on and get on with your life.
It is absolutely unspeakable and that is heartbreaking. That makes
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it even more difficult for people because they want to
talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's also it's always boggled my mind why we don't
celebrate the person's life at their time of passing. Why
it has to be such a oh gosh, a downtime.
You know, if we if we're looking at someone's life,
no matter how short or how long it has been,
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there are always good points that we can remember the
person by. Look at the irish they have. They celebrate
the the the life of the dearly departed. It's it's
a part of life. We can't get away from it,
is it? And I often wonder if Mother Nature has
been showing us from the very beginning of time that
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our existence in this metaph in this biological physical body
is nothing but us in the caterpillar stage of our life,
that death is nothing more than a metamorphosis into another
chapter of the encyclopedias of life that we each have
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on a wall.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Well said, that's exactly right, And you know it's interesting
you mentioned nature because nature does show us this. All
we have to do is look at an actual caterpillar,
or go into your garden and look at what's happening
to your plants. And they go through their life cycle.
They flower, they reproduce, then they quote die, and they
go back into the soil as compost and the next
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plant grows. We are no different than that. But we
have something that plants don't have, and that's an ego.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
We have this self awareness that makes us steal.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
And there are reasons for this that we are exclusive,
you know, in a kind of arrogant way that well,
I'm a human being and I have a body, and
I have a mind, and I have an identity, and
so therefore I'm not like a plant or an animal
or a star system. I'm something different, and that is
a misconception. We are not something different.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I'm certainly not saying that the loss of someone is
not to be grieved. I'm not saying that at all.
What I'm saying is that I think we should celebrate
the person's life with that. We should, Like you and
I were discussing a few moments ago, look at what
nature has taught us that we are part of the
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same realm, and I believe, and this is just my
very own personal belief, that when we leave this physical plane,
it's not the end of our existence, but life does continue.
It may be not as we understand it and live
it on this plane and this reality, but for those
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who have the ability to communicate with those who have
passed on on, as in your case, you know, it's
real that life does continue. Or are the person's essence,
their soul, their being, their spirit continues.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
You know, I'll tell you something interesting about that. And
I love making this point. There is more evidence for
the existence of the soul living on after death than
there is evidence against it, because I haven't ever seen
any evidence that it's just that after we die, everything's gone.
There's no you know, nobody's as they say, I ever
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come back from this head and told this, Oh yeah,
everything just stops and it's just blacked out. But we
have had thousands and thousands of people who've had near
death experiences and interdimensional communications and have told of you know,
leaving their body in the hospital and seeing what was
going on in the room, and this is absolutely evidential.
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There's no other way they could see that. So we
actually have more evidence in favor of that than the
other way around.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You know, we also have we also have religious proof
of that, because Christ himself resurrected from the dead and
he did come back according to Christian Christian.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Beliefs, and that's a very good argument to make With
fundamentalist Christians, however, they will tell you that only Christ
gets to do that, and that's where the idea of
separation from God, you know, comes from, is that these
kinds of mystical transcendent experiences are only available to profits
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and saints and people like that. Or another idea that
they have is that these kinds of experiences only happened
during biblical times and now they don't happen anymore. Well
why would.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
That be, Well, it wouldn't, you see, it wouldn't. And
their arguments are no longer valid thanks to the thousands
and thousands of people who have made that trip across,
have gone as far as the gates and then returned.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
That happens all the time. And I have never seen
any documentation of somebody who can tell us that they
made that trip across and there was nothing there. I
have never heard of an encounter like that, have you?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I haven't. However, I have heard encounters from doctors, lawyers, physicists,
NASA scientists, musicians, politicians, lawmakers to the contrary that they
have had the near death experience, and until they had
the near death experience, they were skeptics. However, when they've
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come back, their life has changed. They are no longer skeptics.
And you know what, they do not fear death any longer.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
And when you stop fearing death like that, life gets better.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
That's you know, that's a little hidden benefit of it.
It's like, well, what difference does it make it we
fear death, we still have to plod along through life.
But actually you find that if you're not afraid of disappearing,
that you live each day with a different kind of
value on it, you know, because you realize that you're
accumulating experience, you see things differently. For example, if Terry.
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Welcome back to the xCE on Everyone, Terry Daniels our
special guest this hour. Her website is www dot Afterlife
awareness dot com. Terry, how do you justify a violent,
untimely or tragic death? Then?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Well, this is kind of a complicated question, Terry, are
you there? You can't hear me?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I can now you faded out on us?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Terry, Oh can you hear me now?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yes? I can?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Okay? Is it all good now? Yes? Okay. So the
soul always knows it's planned. The body that we're in,
or the personality, or the ego or the earth self,
you know, kind of lives at the ego level and
thinks only about you know, how do I survive? How
do I compete? How do I get money and safety
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and love and sex and food and all that physical stuff.
But the soul has a completely different agenda, and the
soul has this all kind of planned out with other
members of the soul family in between incarnations. These plans
are made according to what each person would like to
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learn in their next incarnation. It's like planning your curriculum
and at college. So whatever kind of death there is
is exactly the right death to further the growth of
everybody involved. So, for example, in a slow death like
my son who was sick for many years, there was
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a lot of time in Earth time to prepare for
that idea, to look at it and figure out what
the lessons are, and to literally see his soul slowly
separating and traveling between the world. If somebody gets hit
by a train, there isn't time on the earthplane to
actually witness that process, but it is still planned that way.
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And you know, you hear stories. I hear this all
the time from people about somebody who got all their
bills paid and made peace with their you know people
that they were infused with and did all that, and
then a week later had a heart attack and died.
So at some level people know there's a wonderful story.
I heard about a teenager who died and they found
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out he got in a car wreck or something. His
family found out that in the weeks prior to that,
this kid had called on the phone most of his
friends from Facebook just to say hello and have an
in person conversation with them. Now nobody does that, you know,
with their Facebook friends. But this kid did this, and
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after he died, people started talking and they compared notes
and realized that he had called them just to say hello.
It wasn't a suicide, So on some level we know.
So the violent death, the tragic death, unexpected death, death
of a child is as meaningful and purposeful as any
other death. And you can follow the events leading up
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to it, the events beyond it, and see that all
the people involved in this life and this death were
part of a magnificent agreement to shift and change as
a result of this experience and the way I often
describe it as like a kaleidoscope. If you look at
a kaleidoscope, every turn of the kaleidoscope shakes up the
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pieces and restructures them in a new way. That's what
every one of our experiences is for. It's a very
detached way of looking at it. You know, if your
child gets hit by a train, it's really difficult to say, well,
it was just the turn of the kaleidoscope, and everything's
going to shake up and restructure. But on the sole level,
that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Tell me about the communications terry that you've had with
your son.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Well it before he died. He had a degenerative illness
and he lost most of his physical abilities, including speech,
and so during the last three years, as he was
losing his ability to speak, I was gaining psychic ability.
I have always been an intuitive I have been doing
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tarot readings for thirty something years, and during the last
three years of my son's life, I got this opportunity
to be a tarot reader at a metaphysical bookstore, and
that's what I was doing as he was losing his speech.
And as I was doing these readings, I was beginning
to channel. I was beginning to bring in guides and teachers,
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and the terror readings became absolutely amazing. So my ability
in that area was getting higher as his speech was
getting less. I know now that that was in preparation
for us to have a telepathic relationship. After he died,
he began speaking to me. Thirty minutes after he died.
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I was lying there on bed with his vacant body,
and I said, where are you now? Where are you?
Can you show me where you are? And instantly I
just had this vision that bowled me over of him
standing in some shallow water, looking tall and beautiful and
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strong and older than his actual physical years. And he
was wearing jeans with rolled up cuffs and a white
T shirt. And I joke about this in my book.
He looked like James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause
and he was kicking his feet in the water and laughing.
And I said, is is this really you? Am I
really saying this? Or am my imagining this? And he said,
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you will always be able to communicate with me this
clearly if you do certain healing tasks for your heart.
And that sort of led us onto a whole new path.
But that's how it began, and the healing tasks are
a big part of my teaching. You have to clear
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yourself of anger, blame, of a belief that we are
separate from the divine. There's a lot of processes that
have to be cleared in order to re establish our
connections with the divine realms, because that connection is always
there and we always have it, we've just shut it off.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
How often do you communicate with your son?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Well, it's interesting because it's changed. It used to be
that I would just kind of sit down and go
into a meditative space and stuff would come. I've been
a professional writer most of my adult life, and so
writing is my tool. So I would sit down and
I would kind of do automatic writing. I have this
long document called the Danny Journal, and stuff would just
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come through as I type. About a year and a
half ago, it completely changed, and now I can do
that if I want to, but I don't have to.
I very clearly remember a moment where I felt myself
integrate with them, and by them, I mean my son
and the other teachers who are with him, because there's
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a whole group of them, and so now they're just
kind of inside me. They're talking through me right now.
And it was very weird because I thought, oh, I'm
losing this, I'm losing my ability to talk to you.
And they said, no, we are just integrating with you. Your
words and our words are going to be a composite
now because there really is no separation. We're sort of
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running you by a remote control, like the Man behind
the Curtain and the Wizard of Oz. And now that's
just kind of how it is. I just opened my
mouth and out it comes.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Do you believe in life? Did you believe in life
after death? Communication? Before you began communicating with.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Your son, I did, but I never really thought much
about it. I mean, I was always metaphysically inclined. When
I was a teenager, I read the Tibetan Book of
the Dead and really resonated with it. I wasn't raised
with any real specific religious ideas, so my mind was
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pretty open to absorb whatever fit for me. So yes,
I believed in the journey of the soul, I believed
in reincarnation, all of that. I just never really thought
much about it. It just made sense to me, and
I filed that away somewhere. And now I realized why.
I filed it away in a place where it could
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be accessed when it was needed. And here I am
doing this work. So it was all all for a purpose.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Are you sure that the things you have learned are
really true and not your not your beliefs?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Uh? Yeah, yes I am, and I'm sure that they're
not in my imagination. And this is really interesting because
I have seen, you know, believing these things and having
these communications. Happens for a reason. It's just not for
comfort for the bereaved or it's not a little party game.
You know, it happens for a reason. What's the reason?
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The reason is to make your life and your existence
makes sense. What I have learned from all of this
is a different way of looking at human experience and
looking at my own life. I see all my you know,
so called ad experiences in a completely different way because
of this, And that is how I know that what
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I've learned and it's true, because this whole idea of
you know, tragedy being just a turn of the kaleidoscope
makes sense. Last year, all my work dried up, I
had no money, my house was going into foreclosure. I
didn't pay my mortgage for thirteen months, and people will saying,
(29:20):
oh my god, this is a tragedy, a tragedy, you're
losing your house. And I knew that it was just
a turn on the kaleidoscope, that it was moving me
to a certain thing. So during this year where I
had no work and no income, I was able to
finish my new book, I enrolled in school. I'm now
working on a degree in divinity. And it was just
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the universe kind of kicking my butt, you know, and
moving me into a different thing. So what I've learned
from this work is, to put it in a cliche,
is how to go with the flow. If you are
aligned with divine direction and you can heed the signs
and shift your it makes your life so much more peaceful.
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So that's how I know that it's true, because it's
proven to be true in my own experience.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
When communicating with your son or with those that you
now communicate with on the other side. What have you
learned about the other side and what have you learned
about the physicalities of the dying process.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Well, the first most important thing I could say I've
ever learned about the other side is that there is
absolutely no judgment anywhere in the universe when we die.
The one thing that never happens is we go to
a tribunal, you know, with God or whatever and get judged.
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What does happen is we have to still work on
our stuff. So I used to think that once we
died and we got out of the body, we were
just instantly enlightened and we were done until we come
back again. But I very quickly found out that no,
we bring our issues with us to the other side,
but we can work with them without the density of
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the body and without ego, and that's much more efficient. So,
you know, I've talked to many mediums and I don't
consider myself a medium because I don't bring in other
people or do readings. But mediums have told me that
many times they've contacted people on the other side who work,
you know, on their knees, begging for forgiveness or still
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working through their stuff. So when we die, the curriculum continues.
It's just a lot more efficient on the other side.
Because we can see the Acocac record, we can we
understand how the coaleidoscope thing works. We can work with
our soul families, and we see the plan. We're here
on earth, we don't see it. So that's probably the
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most important thing I learned, the most surprising thing I
learned about life on the other side. And a lot
of people ask me about a suicide, and I will
tell you that, you know, we do not get punished
for suicide. We get healed because suicide is the ultimate
belief in lack of love. You knows, the only force
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that exists in the universe. In the universe is love.
The contrary force to that is fear. So when somebody
commits suicide, it's coming from a belief that they are
completely separated from love on Earth and everywhere else. So
what happens when that person dies is they are met
by guides and angels and all kinds of healing beings
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who help them look at their various lifetimes and their
you know, cycle of birth and rebirth and the issues
that they're working on. I happen to think that suicide,
you know, it's certainly not a sins and I would
be a terrible suicide prevention counselor because I wouldn't get
try to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
I hope nobody ever calls me and asked me to
do that, because I haven't just a metaphysical So the
work continues. I guess that is what I'm trying to say.
And healing versus punishment is a huge issue. If you
read Deepak Choper's book Life After Death, it's absolutely amazing,
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and he talks about Judeo Christian concepts of judgment and
he said, you know what if instead of judgments correction?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
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what happens to us and when we pass from this
existence to the next. John Novello, a friend of mine,
when his wife Gloria died of cancer, said she's not gone,
She's just graduated.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
I know.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
John Novilla please give him my best.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Oh. I haven't talked to him in a long time,
but he's a friend of a friend and I was
introduced to him because of his book. Yeah, and I
love his book is absolutely amazing. In fact, I think
it was from his book where I got the term
interdimensional communication.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Tell me, what can people do if they want to
communicate with a loved one that has graduated well, read
my book.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Read a lot of books exactly, because that's very very useful.
You know, some start with studying. If you haven't done
that yet, read books like John's book, in my book,
Conversations with God, Sylvia Brown, all of them. That would
be step one if you haven't already done that. Step
two is I believe that it's really important to have
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a meditation practice of some sort where you find a
quiet space. You don't have to sit in loadus position
or make your mind blank or anything like that. What
you're trying to do in this process is open to channel.
A lot of people misunderstand meditation because they're thinking in
terms of zen meditation, which is a separate thing. But
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what we do when we're trying to open a channel is,
you know how when you're just like falling asleep at
night or daydreaming. There's just streams of stuff that come
through your mind, and it's just like a movie playing,
and it's going by so fast that you can't really
grab one image or one idea because it's just whizzing by.
The meditation process that I teach is to allow all
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that stuff to just come through you, and by breathing
and certain other processes, you can slow that down to
the point where you can actually see and hold on
to some of those images and messages for more than
a microsecond. And you use a paper and pen, or
(37:27):
better yet, a digital voice recorder, and you sit there
and you record these images. So you are sitting there
meditating and you say into your little voice recorder, I
see an apple.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
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very much for joining us. Look forward to talking to
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death dialogues Terry has between herself and her son, who
left the physical plane at age sixty. Terry's website is
www dot afterlife awareness dot com and Terry Terry Jennal,
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Welcome to the xone.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Thank you great to be here.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Tell me tell me a little bit of the history
behind your the fabulous works that you do in grief
counseling as a certified transition guide.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Well, it all started, I suppose, you know, way before
this lifetime. I had always been interested in metaphysical studies,
and when my son was diagnosed with a life threatening
illness at age ten, all the pieces sort of began
to come together when I realized that he was not
going to live more than five or ten more years
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and started to look at the world completely differently because
of this experience of what does this mean? What is
the lesson? How are we all moving forward through this experience,
rather than Oh, my God, why did this happened to me?
It started to make sense what I was intended to
do when I came to Earth, to teach and to
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do this work. After my son died, he began speaking
to me from the other side, very clearly, very easily,
very quickly. We had absolutely lucid dialogues, which became the
content of my last book, A Swan in Heaven. And
I was able to kind of travel back and forth
(07:29):
across the dimensions with him, where he explained to me
what it's like to die, what happens, what is the
journey of the soul? And this is now what I teach.
And of course my biggest audience is people who are
greeting bereaved parents. In particular.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Tell me, Terry, after doing the work that you've been
doing for this time, why do you believe people are
afraid of death?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, at the risk of offending some of your listeners,
the real basic answer to that question is religious doctrine.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Western Judaeo Christian religious doctrine. The notion of a judgmental
God is the primary reason for the fear of death.
If you look at other cultures that don't have that
type of theology people don't have a fear of death.
It's really kind of a Abrahamic religious tradition Judaeo Christian Islam,
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because there is a concept of heaven, hell and judgment
and the idea of God as a man in the
sky who has an opinion and watches over us, and
if we don't do everything right, we go to this
horrible place called hell. That is absolutely not true. And
I tried to, among other things, help people work with
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that image and get rid of it if possible.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
What kind of beliefs make the grief process more difficult?
Are we just looking at the at the religious implications
or there are there other social sociological aspects that people
really don't want to talk about.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Well that there's so much to that question. I mean,
it's not just the religious doctrine in heaven, hell and judgment.
That I have found in hospice work and in grief work,
that people who believe that there is nothing non physical,
that after the physical body dies, it's just flatline, blackout nothing.
I actually find that those people have more problem, more
(09:37):
difficulty dealing with death and grief than anybody else. That
is probably the biggest obstacle is the sense that there
is total annihilation. And I think I might actually even
say that that's the biggest reason why people are afraid
of death. They're afraids they're going to disappear because they
only identify with the ego aspects of the self physical body.
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Who I am. You know, I live in this city,
and I have this name, and these are my children,
and this is my work and all that earthly stuff.
And the idea of that disappearing to many people is
like the end of existence. If we realize that there
is no end of existence, that there is another aspect
of ourselves, our soul or essence or divine white or
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whatever you want to call it, that continues to exist
in other forms and other dimensions, then there's nothing to
be afraid of because there is no annihilation. And the
other aspect of what you're asking about social stigma. You know,
death is unspeakable in modern Western society, and I'm sure
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we've all experienced this when there's a death in the
family or we're grieving. You know, there's a whole list
of behaviors that are very predictable and common around death
where people won't talk about it. People will say Okay,
it's time to let go of your husband who just
died and move on and get on with your life.
It is absolutely unspeakable and that is heartbreaking. That makes
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it even more difficult for people because they want to
talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's also it's always boggled my mind why we don't
celebrate the person's life at their time of passing. Why
it has to be such a oh gosh, a downtime.
You know, if we if we're looking at someone's life,
no matter how short or how long it has been,
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there are always good points that we can remember the
person by. Look at the irish they have. They celebrate
the the the life of the dearly departed. It's it's
a part of life. We can't get away from it,
is it? And I often wonder if Mother Nature has
been showing us from the very beginning of time that
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our existence in this metaph in this biological physical body
is nothing but us in the caterpillar stage of our life,
that death is nothing more than a metamorphosis into another
chapter of the encyclopedias of life that we each have
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on a wall.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Well said, that's exactly right, And you know it's interesting
you mentioned nature because nature does show us this. All
we have to do is look at an actual caterpillar,
or go into your garden and look at what's happening
to your plants. And they go through their life cycle.
They flower, they reproduce, then they quote die, and they
go back into the soil as compost and the next
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plant grows. We are no different than that. But we
have something that plants don't have, and that's an ego.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
We have this self awareness that makes us steal.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
And there are reasons for this that we are exclusive,
you know, in a kind of arrogant way that well,
I'm a human being and I have a body, and
I have a mind, and I have an identity, and
so therefore I'm not like a plant or an animal
or a star system. I'm something different, and that is
a misconception. We are not something different.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I'm certainly not saying that the loss of someone is
not to be grieved. I'm not saying that at all.
What I'm saying is that I think we should celebrate
the person's life with that. We should, Like you and
I were discussing a few moments ago, look at what
nature has taught us that we are part of the
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same realm, and I believe, and this is just my
very own personal belief, that when we leave this physical plane,
it's not the end of our existence, but life does continue.
It may be not as we understand it and live
it on this plane and this reality, but for those
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who have the ability to communicate with those who have
passed on on, as in your case, you know, it's
real that life does continue. Or are the person's essence,
their soul, their being, their spirit continues.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
You know, I'll tell you something interesting about that. And
I love making this point. There is more evidence for
the existence of the soul living on after death than
there is evidence against it, because I haven't ever seen
any evidence that it's just that after we die, everything's gone.
There's no you know, nobody's as they say, I ever
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come back from this head and told this, Oh yeah,
everything just stops and it's just blacked out. But we
have had thousands and thousands of people who've had near
death experiences and interdimensional communications and have told of you know,
leaving their body in the hospital and seeing what was
going on in the room, and this is absolutely evidential.
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There's no other way they could see that. So we
actually have more evidence in favor of that than the
other way around.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You know, we also have we also have religious proof
of that, because Christ himself resurrected from the dead and
he did come back according to Christian Christian.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Beliefs, and that's a very good argument to make With
fundamentalist Christians, however, they will tell you that only Christ
gets to do that, and that's where the idea of
separation from God, you know, comes from, is that these
kinds of mystical transcendent experiences are only available to profits
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and saints and people like that. Or another idea that
they have is that these kinds of experiences only happened
during biblical times and now they don't happen anymore. Well
why would.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
That be, Well, it wouldn't, you see, it wouldn't. And
their arguments are no longer valid thanks to the thousands
and thousands of people who have made that trip across,
have gone as far as the gates and then returned.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
That happens all the time. And I have never seen
any documentation of somebody who can tell us that they
made that trip across and there was nothing there. I
have never heard of an encounter like that, have you?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I haven't. However, I have heard encounters from doctors, lawyers, physicists,
NASA scientists, musicians, politicians, lawmakers to the contrary that they
have had the near death experience, and until they had
the near death experience, they were skeptics. However, when they've
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come back, their life has changed. They are no longer skeptics.
And you know what, they do not fear death any longer.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
And when you stop fearing death like that, life gets better.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
That's you know, that's a little hidden benefit of it.
It's like, well, what difference does it make it we
fear death, we still have to plod along through life.
But actually you find that if you're not afraid of disappearing,
that you live each day with a different kind of
value on it, you know, because you realize that you're
accumulating experience, you see things differently. For example, if Terry.
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Welcome back to the xCE on Everyone, Terry Daniels our
special guest this hour. Her website is www dot Afterlife
awareness dot com. Terry, how do you justify a violent,
untimely or tragic death? Then?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Well, this is kind of a complicated question, Terry, are
you there? You can't hear me?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I can now you faded out on us?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Terry, Oh can you hear me now?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yes? I can?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Okay? Is it all good now? Yes? Okay. So the
soul always knows it's planned. The body that we're in,
or the personality, or the ego or the earth self,
you know, kind of lives at the ego level and
thinks only about you know, how do I survive? How
do I compete? How do I get money and safety
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and love and sex and food and all that physical stuff.
But the soul has a completely different agenda, and the
soul has this all kind of planned out with other
members of the soul family in between incarnations. These plans
are made according to what each person would like to
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learn in their next incarnation. It's like planning your curriculum
and at college. So whatever kind of death there is
is exactly the right death to further the growth of
everybody involved. So, for example, in a slow death like
my son who was sick for many years, there was
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a lot of time in Earth time to prepare for
that idea, to look at it and figure out what
the lessons are, and to literally see his soul slowly
separating and traveling between the world. If somebody gets hit
by a train, there isn't time on the earthplane to
actually witness that process, but it is still planned that way.
(21:25):
And you know, you hear stories. I hear this all
the time from people about somebody who got all their
bills paid and made peace with their you know people
that they were infused with and did all that, and
then a week later had a heart attack and died.
So at some level people know there's a wonderful story.
I heard about a teenager who died and they found
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out he got in a car wreck or something. His
family found out that in the weeks prior to that,
this kid had called on the phone most of his
friends from Facebook just to say hello and have an
in person conversation with them. Now nobody does that, you know,
with their Facebook friends. But this kid did this, and
(22:10):
after he died, people started talking and they compared notes
and realized that he had called them just to say hello.
It wasn't a suicide, So on some level we know.
So the violent death, the tragic death, unexpected death, death
of a child is as meaningful and purposeful as any
other death. And you can follow the events leading up
(22:34):
to it, the events beyond it, and see that all
the people involved in this life and this death were
part of a magnificent agreement to shift and change as
a result of this experience and the way I often
describe it as like a kaleidoscope. If you look at
a kaleidoscope, every turn of the kaleidoscope shakes up the
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pieces and restructures them in a new way. That's what
every one of our experiences is for. It's a very
detached way of looking at it. You know, if your
child gets hit by a train, it's really difficult to say, well,
it was just the turn of the kaleidoscope, and everything's
going to shake up and restructure. But on the sole level,
that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Tell me about the communications terry that you've had with
your son.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Well it before he died. He had a degenerative illness
and he lost most of his physical abilities, including speech,
and so during the last three years, as he was
losing his ability to speak, I was gaining psychic ability.
I have always been an intuitive I have been doing
(23:46):
tarot readings for thirty something years, and during the last
three years of my son's life, I got this opportunity
to be a tarot reader at a metaphysical bookstore, and
that's what I was doing as he was losing his speech.
And as I was doing these readings, I was beginning
to channel. I was beginning to bring in guides and teachers,
(24:06):
and the terror readings became absolutely amazing. So my ability
in that area was getting higher as his speech was
getting less. I know now that that was in preparation
for us to have a telepathic relationship. After he died,
he began speaking to me. Thirty minutes after he died.
(24:26):
I was lying there on bed with his vacant body,
and I said, where are you now? Where are you?
Can you show me where you are? And instantly I
just had this vision that bowled me over of him
standing in some shallow water, looking tall and beautiful and
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strong and older than his actual physical years. And he
was wearing jeans with rolled up cuffs and a white
T shirt. And I joke about this in my book.
He looked like James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause
and he was kicking his feet in the water and laughing.
And I said, is is this really you? Am I
really saying this? Or am my imagining this? And he said,
(25:09):
you will always be able to communicate with me this
clearly if you do certain healing tasks for your heart.
And that sort of led us onto a whole new path.
But that's how it began, and the healing tasks are
a big part of my teaching. You have to clear
(25:30):
yourself of anger, blame, of a belief that we are
separate from the divine. There's a lot of processes that
have to be cleared in order to re establish our
connections with the divine realms, because that connection is always
there and we always have it, we've just shut it off.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
How often do you communicate with your son?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Well, it's interesting because it's changed. It used to be
that I would just kind of sit down and go
into a meditative space and stuff would come. I've been
a professional writer most of my adult life, and so
writing is my tool. So I would sit down and
I would kind of do automatic writing. I have this
long document called the Danny Journal, and stuff would just
(26:15):
come through as I type. About a year and a
half ago, it completely changed, and now I can do
that if I want to, but I don't have to.
I very clearly remember a moment where I felt myself
integrate with them, and by them, I mean my son
and the other teachers who are with him, because there's
(26:37):
a whole group of them, and so now they're just
kind of inside me. They're talking through me right now.
And it was very weird because I thought, oh, I'm
losing this, I'm losing my ability to talk to you.
And they said, no, we are just integrating with you. Your
words and our words are going to be a composite
now because there really is no separation. We're sort of
(26:58):
running you by a remote control, like the Man behind
the Curtain and the Wizard of Oz. And now that's
just kind of how it is. I just opened my
mouth and out it comes.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Do you believe in life? Did you believe in life
after death? Communication? Before you began communicating with.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Your son, I did, but I never really thought much
about it. I mean, I was always metaphysically inclined. When
I was a teenager, I read the Tibetan Book of
the Dead and really resonated with it. I wasn't raised
with any real specific religious ideas, so my mind was
(27:36):
pretty open to absorb whatever fit for me. So yes,
I believed in the journey of the soul, I believed
in reincarnation, all of that. I just never really thought
much about it. It just made sense to me, and
I filed that away somewhere. And now I realized why.
I filed it away in a place where it could
(27:57):
be accessed when it was needed. And here I am
doing this work. So it was all all for a purpose.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Are you sure that the things you have learned are
really true and not your not your beliefs?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Uh? Yeah, yes I am, and I'm sure that they're
not in my imagination. And this is really interesting because
I have seen, you know, believing these things and having
these communications. Happens for a reason. It's just not for
comfort for the bereaved or it's not a little party game.
You know, it happens for a reason. What's the reason?
(28:37):
The reason is to make your life and your existence
makes sense. What I have learned from all of this
is a different way of looking at human experience and
looking at my own life. I see all my you know,
so called ad experiences in a completely different way because
of this, And that is how I know that what
(28:59):
I've learned and it's true, because this whole idea of
you know, tragedy being just a turn of the kaleidoscope
makes sense. Last year, all my work dried up, I
had no money, my house was going into foreclosure. I
didn't pay my mortgage for thirteen months, and people will saying,
(29:20):
oh my god, this is a tragedy, a tragedy, you're
losing your house. And I knew that it was just
a turn on the kaleidoscope, that it was moving me
to a certain thing. So during this year where I
had no work and no income, I was able to
finish my new book, I enrolled in school. I'm now
working on a degree in divinity. And it was just
(29:42):
the universe kind of kicking my butt, you know, and
moving me into a different thing. So what I've learned
from this work is, to put it in a cliche,
is how to go with the flow. If you are
aligned with divine direction and you can heed the signs
and shift your it makes your life so much more peaceful.
(30:04):
So that's how I know that it's true, because it's
proven to be true in my own experience.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
When communicating with your son or with those that you
now communicate with on the other side. What have you
learned about the other side and what have you learned
about the physicalities of the dying process.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Well, the first most important thing I could say I've
ever learned about the other side is that there is
absolutely no judgment anywhere in the universe when we die.
The one thing that never happens is we go to
a tribunal, you know, with God or whatever and get judged.
(30:46):
What does happen is we have to still work on
our stuff. So I used to think that once we
died and we got out of the body, we were
just instantly enlightened and we were done until we come
back again. But I very quickly found out that no,
we bring our issues with us to the other side,
but we can work with them without the density of
(31:10):
the body and without ego, and that's much more efficient. So,
you know, I've talked to many mediums and I don't
consider myself a medium because I don't bring in other
people or do readings. But mediums have told me that
many times they've contacted people on the other side who work,
you know, on their knees, begging for forgiveness or still
(31:31):
working through their stuff. So when we die, the curriculum continues.
It's just a lot more efficient on the other side.
Because we can see the Acocac record, we can we
understand how the coaleidoscope thing works. We can work with
our soul families, and we see the plan. We're here
on earth, we don't see it. So that's probably the
(31:54):
most important thing I learned, the most surprising thing I
learned about life on the other side. And a lot
of people ask me about a suicide, and I will
tell you that, you know, we do not get punished
for suicide. We get healed because suicide is the ultimate
belief in lack of love. You knows, the only force
(32:18):
that exists in the universe. In the universe is love.
The contrary force to that is fear. So when somebody
commits suicide, it's coming from a belief that they are
completely separated from love on Earth and everywhere else. So
what happens when that person dies is they are met
by guides and angels and all kinds of healing beings
(32:41):
who help them look at their various lifetimes and their
you know, cycle of birth and rebirth and the issues
that they're working on. I happen to think that suicide,
you know, it's certainly not a sins and I would
be a terrible suicide prevention counselor because I wouldn't get
try to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
I hope nobody ever calls me and asked me to
do that, because I haven't just a metaphysical So the
work continues. I guess that is what I'm trying to say.
And healing versus punishment is a huge issue. If you
read Deepak Choper's book Life After Death, it's absolutely amazing,
(33:27):
and he talks about Judeo Christian concepts of judgment and
he said, you know what if instead of judgments correction?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
All right, stand by Terry, You and I have to
take our final break for this hour. Terry Daniel is
our special guest her website www dot after life awareness
dot com. Terry and I will be back on the
other side of this commercial break as the accelle continues
with yours truly, Rob McConnell from our studios in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
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Speaker 3 (34:41):
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Speaker 4 (34:41):
If you'd like to find out more about Terry or contactor,
www dot afterlife awareness dot com. That's www dot afterlife
awareness dot com. She is the author of U Swarm,
Swan in Heaven and Embracing Death, A New look at Grief,
Gratitude and God. First of all, Terry, great having you
(35:04):
with us. Thank you very much for joining us and
for sharing your your very unique but positive outlook on
what happens to us and when we pass from this
existence to the next. John Novello, a friend of mine,
when his wife Gloria died of cancer, said she's not gone,
She's just graduated.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
I know.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
John Novilla please give him my best.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Oh. I haven't talked to him in a long time,
but he's a friend of a friend and I was
introduced to him because of his book. Yeah, and I
love his book is absolutely amazing. In fact, I think
it was from his book where I got the term
interdimensional communication.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Tell me, what can people do if they want to
communicate with a loved one that has graduated well, read
my book.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Read a lot of books exactly, because that's very very useful.
You know, some start with studying. If you haven't done
that yet, read books like John's book, in my book,
Conversations with God, Sylvia Brown, all of them. That would
be step one if you haven't already done that. Step
two is I believe that it's really important to have
(36:20):
a meditation practice of some sort where you find a
quiet space. You don't have to sit in loadus position
or make your mind blank or anything like that. What
you're trying to do in this process is open to channel.
A lot of people misunderstand meditation because they're thinking in
terms of zen meditation, which is a separate thing. But
(36:44):
what we do when we're trying to open a channel is,
you know how when you're just like falling asleep at
night or daydreaming. There's just streams of stuff that come
through your mind, and it's just like a movie playing,
and it's going by so fast that you can't really
grab one image or one idea because it's just whizzing by.
The meditation process that I teach is to allow all
(37:06):
that stuff to just come through you, and by breathing
and certain other processes, you can slow that down to
the point where you can actually see and hold on
to some of those images and messages for more than
a microsecond. And you use a paper and pen, or
(37:27):
better yet, a digital voice recorder, and you sit there
and you record these images. So you are sitting there
meditating and you say into your little voice recorder, I
see an apple.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Hey, Terry, we're going to have to send people to
your website because we've just run out of time. Thanks
very much for joining us. Look forward to talking to
you in the future, and dex onation. If you'd like
to find out more about our guest of this hour,
Terry Daniel. Her website is www dot afterlife awareness dot com.
I'll be back on the other side of this commercial
break with the news at six and a half minutes
(38:01):
past as the X Zone continues from our studios in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada,
with yours truly, Rob McConnell, don't go Away.
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