December 22, 2025 • 43 mins
Happy Reupload! Between busy schedules, contradicting free times and dentist appointments, we haven't been able to get together to record a Xmas show, let alone our next show. Big apologies to all who are anticipating new episodes from the show. In the meantime, here is a reuploadof our 2020 pandemic era Xmas episode, where we discuss the video for The Ramones' 1989 classic, "Merry Christmas (I Don't Want to Fight Tonight.) "as well as toxic relationships during the holidays.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello and welcome to episode eighty of Throwback Music Bitter
Review podcast, and for our Christmas episode, we.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Will be reviewing The Ramones. Merry Christmas. I don't want
to fight tonight, So mercris, I don't want to fight
tonight is a punk rock song by The Ramones from
their eleventh studio album, Brain Drain in nineteen eighty nine.
The song was featured in the film Christmas with the Cranks.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
So guys, I didn't know that either. Yeah, that's funny.
That's yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Like twenty something years later, the song was featured from
that movie. I haven't seen the movie personally, but but
it had Jamie Curtis on it that I know.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
It's correct. Yeah, in a bathing suit. This is like
a family picture. Actually, Yeah, Christmas the Cranks.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It's two thousand and four American Christmas comedy film from
the two thousand and one novel skipping Christmas. Make John Grisham.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Whoa, yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Did you write the firm or something? I think so, yeah, yeah,
I think so yeah, Tim Allen and Jamie Curtis in
there and uh yeah, oh whoa. But anyways, so, guys,
what is your experiences with the song Merry Christmas? I
don't want to crack nah.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Hold on, man, I did research on the Himones. I'm sorry,
I gotta close my hand. All right here, I got
the Ramones.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I got the damned episode there.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
That's right. Well, I just want to say that this
is my episode. So okay, this.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Is a this is a Right sponsored episode, by the way,
for our audience.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I just want to start by saying it's it's one
of my few regrets of actually not seeing them live,
even though you know, only two originals at the end, right,
I think their last year was ninety six. But I
know you guys want to go see them, right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I've never seen the Ramones live.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I went to go see them in nineteen ninety five. Okay,
so the year the Audios and a Migos tour at
the Hollywood Pladium. It was fucking rad. One of the
best shows I ever went to. Wow, it was crazy
like it sounded great. I was like, oh man, they're
like all old. Now it's going to be like lame.
And it was like twice as fast as the albums.
It must have played at least fifty songs.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
It was just like.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It was a half hour concert then, right.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It was just like on fire like and the plate.
I mean, I used to love watching shows at the
Pladium like back then in like the nineties because it
was such a cool place to see bands because you
can get pretty close and I don't know, I just
loved it, and I think it's kind of like one
of the places where I want to go see like
my first couple of shows. So I just just always
had that kind of like spot in my heart. And
then that like year I saw the Ramones and Jesus
and Mary Chain too.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Was it the one with Mazzie Star or yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Was that that one same thing?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
We were all in hand for that one.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I think No, Remember I told you I had to work,
so I had to work.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, I think it was at the most show. It
was just me and Paulow.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I remember you and Paul going for sure. Yeah, Yeah,
I was kind of bumped out.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I got like, oh man, sorry, I got a bootleg
shirt with the dinosaurs that were wearing some burrows, which
is kind of cool. I ed to wear that around.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What was the reference of that dinosaur for.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Because it's it's audios and egos, it's like they're retiring
the farewell, so that I think the theme was like
dinosaurs they're like leaving the earth, like.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know, right, because they are the one of the
very first punk bands, at least in the US soil
to be recognized here and been around forever DBGB scene
right late seventies.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
But definitely the earlier days. You know, it was more
of the radio play stuff that I that I heard,
and not until I was a little bit older when
I actually started listening to like the first, second, third,
fourth albums be waying from their styles. You know, it's
always that same, hard fast But what I've always loved
is Joey Ramone's girl group style phil Spector singing. You know,
I've always he's got those really pretty maladies in a
(04:11):
hard fast, rough punk song, right, So that's why that's
why it's like gravitating towards there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
But he always remains in one octave. It's still he
doesn't go past one pitch, but it's still great though. Yeah,
it works. I mean it's punk man, you know, that's
the idea of it.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
But I mean it's I mean, he sings in tune
and he's not yelling or screaming, and right end of
going with the song, he gives a song weed.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
To right the whole The music's good. There's many that
sounded like that, but he's like, singing is what really?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, this is what is the cheese that binds all
together that whole Phil Spector girl group. I mean, that's
like the best part about it. And that's all Joey Ramone.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Didn't Phil Spector hold a gun on their heads while
having him watch the Ronettes.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Also, Phil Spector loved joe ramone singing style and his vocals.
Clearly they're good. You know, they got tight.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
The other guys in the group hated him, but like
Joey and and got really.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I think they kind of got jealous because he really
wanted to focus on Joey's singing styles.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, because Johnny Rome won't have any of that stuff
absolute control in the band.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
The weird thing is, like, you know, I was always
a fan. I love the Ramones, but like now going back,
because I don't really I haven't really listened to them
for a while, you know, other than you know, just
hearing songs where they're not like on my regular rotation
of Oh, I'm gonna listen to some Romone songs because
I think I took them for granted. But because we've
been doing research for this, I'm like, wow, man, like
fucking Joey, Like he's a really good singer and you
read his lyrics and you're just like, wow, this is
(05:29):
really good. But then I started going a little bit
deeper and then finding out like a lot of the
songs were written by the bass player.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Wrote most of the songs. Yeah, d D.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, Yeah, he wrote a lot of the songs. And
I and then I didn't know that much about him.
And then I watched the documentary and learned a little
bit about him, and he was like the heroin Addict
and Crazy and the.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Doc is called End of a Century.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I remember I forgot some point in time in my life,
but like I saw, I saw a d D. King
video on oh he's his rap career, in his rap career.
I had no idea that was d D. Ramone. You know,
this really bad freaking music video and like he wakes
up some girl in the morning and like he's in
the bathroom. Some one ain't stand out the buck's going on.
(06:08):
The song was just so bad. I'm like, what the
fuck is this d D king guy? Then later on like, oh,
that's d D Ramone. From what I learned later too,
is that the band hated him for having this solo
ass rap career. But you know he saw that, he
saw the writing on the walls, like hey wraps the
way of the future. Musically, I'm getting on that boat. Yeah, yeah,
this song. Though I have no experiences with this song
(06:28):
at all, even I was roma's made a Christmas song
until you guys brought it up for this podcast.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
And it just became a staple for me. It's funny,
you know, at least on the surface.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
But I'm sure like when Joey wrote the lyrics, it
was it's all heart felt. In as many dystopian relationships,
he didn't like conflict.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
That's like one of the big things about it. He's
an interesting guy man, like he was born with the
with the twin like stuck in his back, like a
half a twin like it had to be removed. He's
always kind of sickly.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, he's always been D.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
He had like O c D, like really bad, and
it would take him forever to leave the house. And
because he would, you know, have to touch things.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
He he's laid some a few banned sessions because he
has to touch up on his oc D. Nois you
know right?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
He asked his mom to take him to a mental
institution and he stood there for a while because of
the OCD. When he was fifteen or something like that,
he checked himself in, right, Yeah, to a mental institution.
I don't know. They don't really talk about this, but
you write songs about like, you know, psychotherapy.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And be sedated.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, exactly why I don't want to be sedated.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean Joey Ramone is the lyric writer.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Joe Joey writes a lot of their.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, Joey, Didy and Joey Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And then the drummer too. The drummer wrote some of
the songs too. But he like left really early that
he would produce the he would actually produce and write
for them, right, and then he he started just being
like a studio guy, which is like insane, right, he
never thought like the the Ramones had like a guy
who was a producer, right, you thought they're just like
some punk band who doesn't give a fuck.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
But they also had an art director.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, they had art director, which is crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah. Yeah, designed the classic presidential seal with their names
and the.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That is that is a very cool logogo too, so
to put it in there in this album though, the
Brain Drain album, it's Joey, Johnny Dedi, and Markey Ramone. Marky, Right,
Marky's the not the unorginal member in this one. He's
a drummer.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
But Marky he did starting seventy eight, which is still
pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Early Marky started when when the original drummer left and
the original drummer actually asked him to take his place
because he wanted to be more of a producer. And
it wasn't bad terms. It was this guy that he
doesn't want to play anymore like in the band. He
wants to just he's involving producer. Yeah, so let I'll
get this guy.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Part of it is too that I wanted to bring
up was the band turmoil, and he makes that clear
in the documentary. He's like, you know, and I wanted
to bring that up to you guys, Like you guys
been in bands, our own bands and other bands, you
ever have that like a good stand or people fighting
or that's never happened to you guys.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh yeah, I mean it's a common thing for like
any band really, I mean any band I already gotten
into it always sort of conflict, right, it's so tense, right, yeah,
but I mean in the Ramones levels, you know, it's
a little higher in the levels because love was involved
in this one where Johnny wind up having an affair
with Joey's girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, but he later marries her, so they want to marry.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And actually, you know what's funny though, is that today,
you know, Instagram kind of changed their algorithm where if
you've exhausted all the posts of your friends, they would
throw you suggested posts, right. And what happened to me
on my feed was the girl who was Joey's ex
girlfriend her Instagram account fell into my This happened today. Yeah, Linda,
she's very active now, yeah, yeah, she's very active. She
(09:30):
has like sixty three thousand followers on Instagram, and so
she posted a picture of the Ramones. Good for her.
She's still alive. And kicking while both of her lovers
are now.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
But you know what, aside from that, I think a
major issue was Johnny Ramone's business acumen. Like he's he's
just you know, over the controlling. Yeah, and what was
he drinking?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Claim that he was sober throughout the party of career.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He claimed that he was straight edge almostly. I mean
he didn't say that, but when he talks, he's like,
I never did that, you know, he's very like righteous,
he's got in an asshole. No, I don't at all.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I don't know. Some drugs, I'm sure, but he was
more into the business side. I believe he was all
the guy who fire from playing.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
The drummers all the time or Cardita Ramon and all.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
The time he would just walk off. He doesn't say
anything to anybody. He just walks off on the ground.
He's he's cold, he's stone cold.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, he's very conservative. And that's what was a big
thing too. I don't know if you ever, guys ever
listened to Howard Stern, But like back in the eighties
and the nineties, Joey Ramone was always on Howard Stern
all the time and other friends. Yeah, they were always
they would always call up Johnny and there would be
like crazy fights because like they would Johnny would call
up because like Joey would be talking about him, like,
(10:44):
oh man, this guy, like he's not punk. He voted
for fucking Reagan, he voted for Bush. You know, he's
a conservative right ring.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Trumper if he's still alive, right, Joey sure, I mean
Johnny yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
For sure, Yeah for sure. And Joey remote is complete opposite.
Like he's a liberal Jewish from New York. I think
he comes from a little bit of money. I'm not sure.
I think he got left money from his parents.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Where his mom owns an art gallery.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But remember we always talked about how ours Stern would
be like the a Ramone as well, right, how he Ramone.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Lanky tall, Yeah, he fit the bill.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
He's got the hymen jean going on there, you know.
But but it's crazy, Like I mean, Johnny handled a
lot of the businesses with the band. He uh, he's
the guy who fired the original drummer as well, and
he would just say like, hey man, the guys just
don't think you'll cut it, like he was sounding the
d D. But actually when he first fired him, he's
platy the onus that it wasn't him. It's the other
guys who don't think he'll work with the band, you know,
(11:36):
but it's probably all Johnny.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Right, Johnny's the one who would like say stuff. But Tommy,
who is the drummer, was kind of more like a
manager and he would actually make a lot of like
the real business decisions because he was like the only
one out of all of them who had like a
he's the one that became the producer. But he's the
one that was like he had his own apartment. He
wasn't living with his parents still, like, and then so
him and Johnny would talk about the stuff, and then
(11:59):
Johnny's the one who would go and tell them because
then Johnny's one who would actually punch them too, Like
he would get a fistfights with DD and like it
was kind of like the Peter hook of the bat.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
He's the one that was like the enforced brute.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Being together for so long, it's like you can't escape
those kinds of things. You know, it doesn't matter if
someone's personality, you know, if everybody's cool, it's gonna happen,
you know what I mean. But you take it to
that level of success, it gets even worse, right, Like
money's involved, and obviously the being together all the time
and the pressure of like recording and dealing.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
With specters are if you're just like chilling, chilling out
and doing stuff. If one person says to the group, hey, man,
we have to do this, then all of a sudden,
that's the person who's like the enforcer, even though he
might not be saying it like a dick, but he's
just actually trying to go in one direction. Right, But
because it's been so chill, it comes off like, oh man,
this fucking asshole.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
But no matter what, that person's gonna all of a sudden,
you know, like even if he wasn't like a dick,
you're gonna be labeled as that because you're suddenly changing
a little bit. Like, man, you can't be drunk all
the time, or you can't do drug bills. This is
a thing we need to show up to these shows,
you know. Like I mean, he seems like an asshole
in the interviews, but even if he wasn't back then
maybe they turned him into an asshole, you know, just
because of.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
The position he was in. What are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
A lot of these a lot of these stories are
coming up from that autobiography he wrote where he died
and just how he viewed things. It's crazy. So it
was like when he died, he was still married to
the girl that he's stole from from Joey right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's crazy. Like have you guys ever seen his grave?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah? Looks cool, man.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
It's like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Like a life sized bronze statue. That's how I want
to go with, you know, when I'm dead, Like I'll
be in my podcasting headphones and this microphone I'm putting
on right now and all in bron.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I can see like four cents around you. Yeah, a
copper sense.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And a cat.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I was the asshole guy in the podcast.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Wait a minute, I never said that, but.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You guys will both have like some posthumous biography about
how much he hated working in this podcast. I steal
your cat, Alan and the cat starts his own Instagram
with a billion followers.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It only posts pictures of Ryan this video.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know, I'm actually happy that the remote. I mean
it's very on brand too. The Romans who have a
Christmas song as far as like the Romotes Christmas music videos.
Have you guys ever seen any other music videos by
The Ramones?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah? Just a couple.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, Like, well I've seen a couple. Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't know that I want to Be Sedated rock
and Roll High School.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I think it's on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I remember they made a video that I Don't Want
to Grow Up?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That was Yeah, we saw that later, the later you
and I Ryan, we saw that. Notes from the Underground.
It's set cartoon style from What's that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Artist Daniel Klaus is the artist Confidential Style ghost World.
It's on the im V DV. He's only credited as
the animator and there's no director.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's what it is personally for me, The Ramones like
a true life experience I have had with them, is
that their songs are so short. The fact that a
cram in that kind of impact in two minutes and
twenty seconds is to me is like mind blowing because
I was so used to having some being four minutes
and plus you know, to actually be a very good
song to be the Ramones. The fact that they kept
the song so compact and tight, it's amazing. When I
(15:08):
used to make mixtaps to ex girlfriends. I would always
put beat on the Brat on the end to fill
out the rest of the tape because it was only
like a minute and a half or something.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
You would make tapes only for ex girlfriends or they
were for girlfriends.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well they were my girlfriends at the time, but you
know now they're they're my ex girlfriends. This pointed with
my life. But like back in the day when I
used to make mixtapes for my girlfriends at that time, well,
I would put beat on the Bread because the song
is so cool and it's okay. Sur I paid three
dollars and fifty cents for this Maxel forty five minute
tape and I got HD down. Yeah with HD bias.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
The metal the metal ones.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah about the cheap ass ones though, because I was
I only kept the high bias ones for four track recording.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I wonder why they broke up with you because yeah,
but worth extra thirty cents.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But anyway, so yeah, like that, beat under Brat was
my signature song to fill out the rest of the
tape of Ryan Crazes for us.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I just guys, you guys are right or what? Ryan,
who directed this video George Seminar. Let's give him some
credit before we just get started here.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, man Seminar.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
But you know what's interesting and the Louis he actually
directed Snow's informer Inner Circle Bad Boys. He directed video
a live video. Interesting, right, that's it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I got a storied career, you know, like the late
eighties early nineties kind of Yeah, that era for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
He did a lot of like a lot of the
Roman stuff. He also did like a lot of just
punk stuff like live. He did like a lot of
live concerts stuff like that. And then and then all
his other weird credits, you know, the visual effects for
Repo Man and which is like another punk rock movie.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Right, it's just crazy cult movie.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Do you remember Just Say Yes?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Compilation compilation, the compilation.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah, Oh he's on there too. I don't know what
video he did for there, though, but probably a Ramones video,
is it?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I don't want to grow up? No?
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I think it was Bad Boys by Inner Circle.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And he was also in I was as an actor,
I Was a Teenage Vampire, a teenage zombie and beer
League with Laradie Lang from The Howard Stern Show.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Wow. Well, guys, uh, Speaking of song length, here's number one.
The Ramones are known for writing short, fast songs. Which
of the following songs is their longest, walking four minutes
and thirty three seconds long.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Prog rock effort exactly.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Hey, listen to my heart b Bye bye baby?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
See?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Do you want to dance? Or d Mama's Boy boy?
Inside joke a little too inside man, Al, you're red
blending out? Man, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Geez?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Take it easy?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Boom more time?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Hey, listen to my heart b Bye bye baby? See?
Do you want to dance? Or te Mama's Boy?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I'm gonna say, do you want to dance?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
See for Louis? Okay, let's see right, listen to my heart?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, that sounds like something, you know, like a little
more joey kind of want to convey more to the subject.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, don't listen to your heart this sound because it's
beat Bye bye baby?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
How do we get it both wrong?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Now here's a bonus. There's shortest song on his boy
beat on the breath. It's called Durango ninety five. It's
four seconds. It goes one, two, three, four, that's all
it does. Really, I'm kidding, man, it's fifty five seconds. Okay,
it's still very short.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Or maybe I always thought Animal Boy? Remember Animal Boy?
It's like so fast, It's like the fast song in
the world. Have you ever amal? I used to love
that song. I still do.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
All right, here's number two, guys, all right. In two
thousand and two, Spin magazine released their fifty Greatest Bands
of All Time, in which The Ramones ranked at number two,
only trailing behind the Beatles. Yeah, which of the which
of the following did not make the top ten? Right?
Not top ten? All right? Three are top ten? One
is not a The Beach Boys, b Bob Marley and
(19:06):
the Whalers, ce public enemy or de parliament funk Codell, Like, oh,
that's hard.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Personally, it would be public image limited, the public enemy,
public enemy? Oh public enemy?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, totally different.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Well it's a hard one, right, good one. I'm going
to think, I'm gonna I'm gonna take off my Louie
hat and I'm going to put on my ruling Stone
hat and I'm gonna say Parliament.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Well this is Spin magazine, but it's fine. Oh it's Spin,
all right, You're going with the Parliament, all right?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah? I vote public public enemies, not in that one.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Look all right, I'm not comfortable with my decision, but
you guys are both wrong. What here? It's the Beach Boys?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Really yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Guess what number top fifteen, twenty four, fifteen forty five.
Oh wow, Bob mar check this out, Bob Marlen, the
Whaler's four, Public Enemy eight, Parliament conk Like six and
al Bonus G two number twelve and the Smith's number
twenty one.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Louis Sonic Wow seventeen.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I love Parliament.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I'm glad that they're crazy. Right now for the lightning round?
Can we get you know, any a little lightnings? So,
as you guys know, quite a few bands covered Mary Christmas.
I don't want to fight tonight, right, so True Falls
the following band's trure Falls all right? All right, okay,
I'll start with you all. Number one Kung Fu Monkeys.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I't even heard this band, but I'll stay true.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Correct Louis men'swear.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I'm gonna say no, yere, I tried.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
To get tailor for you.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, I love Britpop.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Bowling for soup al.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't even think that's a band. Falls, it is,
It's true.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Have you ever read the OC weeklyoll you didn't see
him play the Hub the bulletin. How about this one?
Try this one, smash Mount.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Oh it's a hard one because in my brain I'm like, yeah,
of course they did it.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Was it? Yes, sir? No? True or false?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, you're correct.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yow al we're five. Here you go out cool mode.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
False, you're correct.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Louis cheap trick.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Oh wow, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Yes, you are correct, sir. Thanks right. How about number seven?
Now here you go Slider Kinney.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'll think I guess that one.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yes, they did play live Wow, Louie Yo let tang
getting Ellie weekly flashbacks with that name. I want to say, yes,
you're incorrect, sir, they did not. Actually. Finally and al,
how about Metallica, No, you're correct, it's.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Ann Metallica's into their own asses. Man, they're not gonna
do a Ramon song.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I thought for sure, you'll THINGO I begin they have.
You just know whe who wrote it down?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
It was live right? Yeah, I'll tell you what. Louis Jewish,
so they probably wouldn't sing about Christmas. I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
We'll say, oh they said Mary Honka honkah, I don't
want to fight something that their song.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
But the video, the first character we see aside from
the couple is a is a He's not a rabbi,
he's Jewish. He's wearing the yamaka right in the video. Yeah,
all right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Good.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, So okay, let's have a little ad break for
our Yeah, enjoying these ads for a little bit. We'll
be right back. Okay, So let's talk about the music video, guys.
So you know the song was made in nineteen eighty nine,
so are you're getting this kind of very nineteen eighty
nine married with children aesthetic?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
See, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
House, Yeah, it's like a house, right. What's what's funny
is that it reminds me was like play house kind
of but you know, it's a house with not just wacky,
but it's it's semi wacky. They have zebra you know, drapes.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Or how about like Tales from the Dark Side monsters
that kind of like.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, they had the crescent moon outside the window, and
I was getting a lot of stays the vibes out
of there.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And but yeah, there's a guy just reading the Christmas
Carol on his couch and then his girlfriend, I don't
know if his wife or girlfriend right comes up to
him and basically gives them shit. Right, it's Christmas time
and she wants to go see her.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Family in Minneola, Florida.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, it's an actual city in Florida called Minneola. She
wants to see her parents in Minneola, Florida, but instead
they're having a Christmas party in the house with his friends. Really,
that was the original plan. She wanted to go see
her parents, and then she gives them shits for saying that, no,
you don't have any friends.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Obviously there's already like a thing happening with them before
all this.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's a toxic relationship from the very beginning, right, totally
antagonizing him from the very beginning, and just responds to
it with the same energy.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Once the relationship gets to that, no matter what you say,
no matter what anybody says, it's a fucking fight. Like
it's like, yeah, they're at that point of the relationship
where they just hate each other.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I mean it seems like they're just living with each
other for convenience sake by themselves, they can't afford the rent,
so they need each other financially. That's how they're trying
to survive this COVID twenty twenty relationship. Right, Yeah, I really.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Feel like this video is a mirror and whatever you
see in that relationship is what you see in your
own Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
But that's that's what they're trying to paint for this
music video. They just want to fucking fight there every
fucking sense they're ready to go. And of course the
relationships so fucking toxic. Like the anything is a trigger
with the.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Backdrop of the holidays right back up the holidays, so
it makes it even the impact is even stronger because
it's like, oh, wait a minute, I forgot this is
a Christmas song, right, you got got a sweet riff
in the beginning, right.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And then yeah you get the Ramones plan. I'm surrounded
by Marshall Amps singing this.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
You know what's kind of weird. It's kind of a
cool modern relationship sort of. I mean, they hate each other,
but because in like a lot of like older videos,
like they make the female like the evil person in
the relationship, right, but this one's really she starts off like, oh,
like this guy's just reading a book and like this book,
but really she wants to go visit her family, and
he's like, no, fuck that, I want to have a party.
(25:15):
What Like, Yeah, she wants to go vis visit her family,
but they're both just anti each other, so.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Like anything that she does, he has to go to
the opposite because he just hates her so much.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, exactly, oppositional. Yeah, it doesn't matter where it goes.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
This is a huge fish on the wall the video.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
It's the fish of God. Jesus is the fish because bread, Yeah,
Lisa loaves of bread there God, No, it's it's a
bountiful Christmas evening. You know, you got you got a
bunch of friends who look like Mayor with children extras
partying around with a couple of e I was getting
bec boy vibes actually from this video because it has
(25:57):
that same kind of cinematography for the right to party.
It's a kitchen or a living room dining room area,
and then the boyfriend has the girlfriend and a double
choke hold like the undertaker holding the Big Show or something. Right,
it's crazy, Like when I saw it, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
But to be fair, they're both really attacking each other, right.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, they're taking blows on this very toxic relationship.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Which brings me to the point that in the video
it's been like this right out, Like you said, it's toxic.
It's been like this for months or however long they've
been doing together. That's what I'm saying. The holidays are
it's an emotional time, you know. That's Oh absolutely, It's
one of those things where it will come out because
people are stressed out and people want to you know,
they want to be with relatives and family loved ones,
and they they got to have.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
A some sort of significant other, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Like going back to the video, do you think that
people at the end of the year, with the new
year coming want to like leave the relationship with they're
apt because they know that this person's not going to
change before the main Sure, I need to get the
fuck out.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Like as far as this music video is concerned, this
one's like beyond repair, you know, because they just want
to fight all the time, maybe to get off on fighting.
The relationship is based on conflict and like they can't
they feel the relationship is not going anywhere unless there's
some sort of fucking drama going on. For me, this
is what I'm getting out of this music video. You'll
find the slightest thing, as I'm saying, like in the
(27:21):
Animatest music video where she opens her present and it's
a red scarf, but the scarf makes her feel bloated.
The color, the color of the scarf makes her feel bloated.
I'm like, the guy made an effort. Then all of
a sudden, the fact that the fight recycles over again.
Like sometimes like I get confused, like do these people
fight because it turns them on? Or do they fight
(27:41):
because they just hate each other but they have no
idea how to get out of it. And that's what
keeps the relationship interesting is because of the conflict.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Meations are weird because once you get bored of each other,
the first thing you do is to start talking shit
about people that you know, so like you start talking
about other relationships that you like, other friends and stuff
like that you have a relationship with. You start talking
about their relationship and not talking about you anymore because
you're already bored with each other. And then after that happens,
(28:11):
you go to that where you just start fighting with
each other all the time because you have anything to
talk about anymore. Yeah, you've already exhausted talking about your
friends or whoever else, and now you're just bored with
each other and you're stuck there and that's where they're at.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And yeah, my last relationship I hired this phrase from
her was just that if you get bored, it's because
you're boring. Oh you know, like so so like to me,
that kind of sunk into me. It was like, because
if you're bored at something, like not because of me personally,
but it just like in general, if you're bored at something,
it's because you can't find anything interesting about it, that
(28:46):
means you're boring. And then so to me, it's like
if you're gonna find antagonism because you're bored, that that's
super toxic.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
That's like a nineteen fifties dad saying like, oh, if
you're bored, then that means that you need to get
up and go mow the lawn or something that does.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
What do you feel about that? Do you think that's
true or do you think it's just a projection issue.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I think in a relationship sense, people just say that
because they can't really do anything about it to fix something.
So of course, you know, the it's on you, it's
your you're the one that's creating this issue. I mean
it's always like that in relationships, right, it doesn't matter
what season or what holiday or what party you're in.
When you get to that point where it's like the
conflict and then, like Louis said, you know, you're you're
(29:28):
done talking about others, So now what's left but to
face the facts? And it's right here in front of
each other, and it's like there's no going back. You know,
it's like, how do you manage it? I guess it's
the because every little thing will trigger the fight, right,
and anything you can say, you can say, oh you
look so beautiful to day, it's like, all of a
sudden that will turn into right, it will be one
hundred eight degrees and it's.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Like, what am I prettier than? What's your phrase?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
There? You go right?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Or are you the classic one? Oh you look pretty today? Well,
I don't want to be pretty. I want to be sexy.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
You can't win, can't And it's on both ends.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
This music video personifies that kind of toxic relationship where
like you have good intentions, but still like they'll find
a way to twist.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It around after that they're willing to do it in
front of people and the people and at their own party.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Well, that's the thing that those kind of people, when
you get invited to their house, you're like, oh, fuck,
I don't want to go because you know they're going
to fight.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Man. And if we're situations for other couple's fights, man.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
They want to invite somebody to be a buffer between
them about it. And then but then yeah, the buffer
saying man, it.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Could be a kind of couple who get off on
this kind of conflict. They just want to fight. That's
how they define the relationships is conflict. They can't function
on anything else unless they get some sort of conflict.
They can't get a rise or like some sort of
stimulation in their love life is unless they get some
sort of conflict recharging the relationship.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Right, There's a.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Lot of people that if they don't have anything in common,
but they talk so much about other people, they don't
want to actually break up. They don't want to be
alone because they're afraid of it. So then they you know,
start finding other ways to stay in that relationship, you know,
like get off on that kind of stuff. And you know,
what else are you gonna do? You know, are you
gonna say I was wrong. I made the wrong choice.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
No, I mean, stay with it this music video, you know,
like they add some weird amends, but none of them
apologize for each other's actions.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But interestingly, this, this topic is very commonplace nowadays because
of the COVID and everybody's stuck at home, working from home.
There's no very little outlets, right even even if you
were like doing your own thing, like you have your
own little hobby. Still, you know, like you know, you
guys are creative types, and sometimes that can still get
in the way. I can affect your mood of wanting
(31:43):
to do something, and of course that's gonna come out,
you know, when you have a confrontation with your loved one,
you know, and it's like and I'm not just talking
about a married couple or boyfriend, girls, but also like
family members, siblings or mom, dad, whatever it is. But yes, absolutely,
this is very topical as well.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Totally, totally, the divorcory is going up because people are
there's a bit a lot of abuse because they're just
stuck at home together. A lot of people are figuring
out like, wow, you know, I don't think I picked
the right person.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
On top of all that, other stuff. So there's been
a lot more you see it. I mean I see
so many signs like two hundred dollars divorce, three hundred
dollars divorce you know now you know, no court fees
and stuff like that, and.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Explain that because I don't know. Two hundred dollars divorce.
Is that how much it costs for the divorce.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
To be Yeah, if it's if everybody is cool with
just like splaining everything, it's only gonna be like one lawyer,
it's pretty much just for the paperwork costs and stuff
like that. You know, dollars two hundred, three hundred bucks.
I've been seeing the signs of it. Yeah, everywhere. During
the holidays is like one of the craziest time for
relationships because they say a lot of men break up
with women because they don't want to buy them gifts
and get back with them after the holidays. They want
(32:46):
to party during New Year. How it goes, Yeah, and
then a lot of women are trying to find someone
to take home to the family, so they're trying to
get into relationships while men are trying to get out
of relationships. So during the holidays, it's a very weird
time to during the holidays is like one of the
biggest times for suicide, that's true, the biggest times during depression.
(33:07):
And it's just like one of the craziest, weirdest parts
of the year.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So what And a lot of people say that jo
Ramone wrote this about his ex girlfriend, but I don't know,
it's kind of a long time, you know, the one
that Linda that was actually that was stolen from him,
you know, But I don't know, it seems like it's
a kind of a long time between it. They always
say that that Joey is not about conflict, and he
was also the one that didn't never wanted conflict in
(33:32):
the Ramones. It was always the other Ramones that we're
always fighting, you know, and he was just kind of
like go back and so.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
So basically that I don't want to fight tonight. Isn't
a loved one. It's his bandmates. Is that what it was?
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It could be I mean, it could be about non
conflict or I mean it could be an old story
about Linda or something like that.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Too, relationships within the band, It could be within anybody really,
But I think you're right. I'm sure he pulled you know,
information and like experiences from different parts of his life.
But yeah, right, I did I hear about that. Part
of that song was his relationship and what he went through,
and I guess a way of making peace, but not
in real life, more through art, you know, in an
artistic expression of making with Johnny Ramone. The end and
(34:13):
end of the video is Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Like a guy dress up like Santa Claus barfing at
a toilet.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Right, But before that you get the fast recording right
of eighties.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Thing, right, yes, like an eighties like fast forward.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
And then like a corner street corner, Santa is throwing
up in the toilet, right.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
You know, granted, like somebody's peaking on a toilet that's
a very clean toilet. Right, you get the nice blue
and then there's a caption on brush script font saying
to our fans and Merry Christmas the Ramones.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
So basically, yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
They're the only two people that will take each other's
ship man, and that's why those people stay together for
the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
But he's a man of the arts though he's reading
Christmas Carol.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
No, Ryan, do you have any how many YouTube views
this music video got?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
What do you guys think? First of all, this is
through Rhino Records, so what do you guys think? Oh,
by the way, uploaded two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
A little bit before we decided to do this video.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Correct, there's other ones. Rhino even released just the lyrics,
with just the album cover and then the lyrics only.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Okay, I would guess twenty five thousand, twenty five thousand.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
That's exactly gonna say twenty five thousand. It's funny, so
I'll go higher. I'll go thirty eight.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Thousand, Lewis closer forty two thousand eight or and forty.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Four Wow, in two weeks I know, right?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Which may? There's very little comments. I checked both. I
checked the different ones that were uploaded, but really I
only got one.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
This was a but this's bizarre though that the little
practices maybe to get more meat than you.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Down to eighty two comments.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Eight are looking at it's all the same. It's all
the same too.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Like best Christmas song? Best? What's your comment that you found?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Right? Well? The comment was actually a response to somebody saying,
is this supposed to be cool? So Steven Jackson said,
but see this is what's weird, guys. It says here
he commented two years ago, so I guess it was reuploading.
It's weird, so I would imagine it's re uploaded. But anyway,
this is what he says. He says, punk is still cool.
You know what the song is saying. Right at Christmas,
(36:26):
the rates of domestic violence go up along with A
and E A is I guess in the UK it
stands for accidents and emergencies. Oh okay, along with A
and E admittance. This song is literally about that, all
the children tucked in their beds. He's coding the song
I love you and you love me, And that's the
way it's got to be. Fearing violence to come when
the kids aren't around because it's a relationship they're stuck
(36:48):
in and expected to hold for religious reasons Catholic and
too much drink leads to violence. Imagine the words coming
from a woman. The song was against the grain of
Christmas music, being all happy and jolly and calling out
a serious issue in socie. If it's not cool to
stand up and blast something for being wrong and the
fact it's not talked about, and at the time it
really wasn't, then I'm just about done with humanity. Wow,
(37:09):
a little political thoughts, social commentary. But at the same
time I get what he's trying to say. The thing is,
you know it's deeper than it really is, because you know,
like you said, you watched the video and how it's performed,
and in the song it's you know, you're thinking, oh,
it's the Ramones, right rock, right, but the message really
come on?
Speaker 3 (37:26):
We we yeah, we didn't even talk.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
We didn't even talk about about during the video that
no one has anything plugged in. Yeah, Joey's Whi's not
plugged in. All the guitars are not plugged in. That's
kind of funny what I thought that Christmas?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
It's magic, It's a Christmas miracle.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Did you see the comment about the guy who said
that the girl looks like what are the girls that
Jerry dated on Seinfeld? That was a funny ques.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Okay, guys, so the Ramones Merry Christmas. I don't want
to fight tonight. Would you keep it or would you
throw it back? First of all, let me talk about
the band.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
I Uh, I didn't appreciate them in the beginning, to
be honest with you, but as I got older and
and really realized the effect they had on music and style.
You know, they're they're they're definitely up there, but this
was this song was later in their career. It's not
the original members, but damn you can't. You can't fault them.
It's it's a great song. The video again, it's just
(38:25):
that little whipped cream on top. Man. We all have
relations experiences with this and it's it's a little corny,
but also the same. You know, it's it's it speaks
of the time. Of course, I like it. I enjoyed it.
It's something that I would want again and to see again,
and it's definitely a It became a staple of the
song in my Christmas playlists. So I'm definitely keeping.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
This in your in your family Christmas parties, you have
this in your rotation, your DJs, absolutely yeah this Personally
for me, I do dig this song. You know, it's
classical romonis. We all expect the songs to be about
two minute and a half songs, but it keeps you hanging.
That's one thing. The same thing about the Ramones songs.
They're so short and basic. By the same time, it's
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because of Joey's delivery and just the lyrics keeps your
wanting for more, and you can relate with it as
as someone who, let's say you're a troubled kid or
someone who's troubled by a thing that you can't control.
But yeah, I'm keeping this one too. It's entertaining, definitely,
and it's funny. But in real life, I certainly do
(39:27):
not wish this reality up amongst my friends or anyone
I care about. As for me, ask for me, for.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Me, the last asks for me for the the year. Yeah,
this is a great song. The Ramones are awesome, and
I love that we did this because it made me
reappreciate them again because I haven't really listened to them
for a while and kind of being back in that
high school like mode where it's like, Wow, these guys
are fucking amazing. If anybody gets a chance to listen
(39:59):
to Joey's demo of the song, it is amazing. Really,
it's it's so good sounding, it's it's so good. It's
very like kind of Shangri Law's girl group, but it's
just him, and yeah, it's so good. The video, I mean,
it's classic, it's classic eighties video.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
It's it's funny because it does remind me of the
Fight for Your Right to Party video, which.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I don't like that much.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
But this one is actually like a narrative and there's
the people are acting and it's funny and it's it
makes it more lighthearted than with Joey's original, like the
way he wanted the song to sound. But now I'm
gonna keep it. It's just classic eighties, you know. I love
a lot of this kind of stuff. It's a terrible video,
but I'm keeping it because it's so bad it's good.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
It's one of those kind of you know, it's like
it's so bad, it's good and it's very ramote.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
It also passes a Christmas song, it really really does.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
It's a great song.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah, absolutely, it really like for me, you know, that's
one of my standards is Criteria's it has to have
that Schriosphilian does have. Even though the subject matter and
and what happened you see in the video this past
for Christmas.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Song, Well it made it through a mainstream movie, right.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
One of the Christmas songs when you're at the market
or when you're working at a job and they're only
playing Christmas music, when that song comes on, you're like, oh, yeah, finally.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
In closing, twenty twenty has been a crazy year for everybody,
I'm sure, and we thank you for anyone who's bothered
to listen to this podcast. We appreciate your ears and
you've taken an interest into this show. We love putting
it out for you guys. We love you all. The
fact that you've given us your ears for the past
how long we've been doing this, guys, seventeen years, right,
(41:36):
seventeen thousand years. So we do appreciate everybody who's listening
to this show and stuck with us through since what
twenty sixteen, well, yea, almost four years. We had a
few high years since then, especially this year. We had
a little hiatus, but we're still trying to get some
content out of you guys because A I love hanging
out with these guys and the fact that we have
(41:57):
an outlet that you guys can actually listen through our bullshit.
We appreciate it. We love you guys. Twenty twenty one,
hopefully you guys get your shots and we feel better
this world goes back to normal.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Love it all, love it.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
As Dita Ramone said, I think myself and I've put
myself on that I love that dude.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Right right, Ramone, right here? Oh Louis Ramone here?
Speaker 5 (42:21):
What'd you got? What you got for Usler? All right?
Speaker 4 (42:23):
So okay, So then for the next episode, I am
picking not only Rolling Stones, but also Pitchfork and MPR's
Song of the Year for twenty twenty, wap Lap by
Cardi B and Megan the Stallion. I'm very controversial this
(42:47):
year in and we're going to get into it. There's
a lot of stuff that happened with this just you know,
with even with politics, it got kind of deep with
the song. So I'm really really interested in getting kind
of deeper in this video and watching this video.
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Quard, Wow, there we go. I don't think Ben Shapiro
will be listening to this episode anytime soon.
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I hope you.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello and welcome to episode eighty of Throwback Music Bitter
Review podcast, and for our Christmas episode, we.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Will be reviewing The Ramones. Merry Christmas. I don't want
to fight tonight, So mercris, I don't want to fight
tonight is a punk rock song by The Ramones from
their eleventh studio album, Brain Drain in nineteen eighty nine.
The song was featured in the film Christmas with the Cranks.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
So guys, I didn't know that either. Yeah, that's funny.
That's yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Like twenty something years later, the song was featured from
that movie. I haven't seen the movie personally, but but
it had Jamie Curtis on it that I know.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
It's correct. Yeah, in a bathing suit. This is like
a family picture. Actually, Yeah, Christmas the Cranks.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It's two thousand and four American Christmas comedy film from
the two thousand and one novel skipping Christmas. Make John Grisham.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Whoa, yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Did you write the firm or something? I think so, yeah, yeah,
I think so yeah, Tim Allen and Jamie Curtis in
there and uh yeah, oh whoa. But anyways, so, guys,
what is your experiences with the song Merry Christmas? I
don't want to crack nah.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Hold on, man, I did research on the Himones. I'm sorry,
I gotta close my hand. All right here, I got
the Ramones.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I got the damned episode there.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
That's right. Well, I just want to say that this
is my episode. So okay, this.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Is a this is a Right sponsored episode, by the way,
for our audience.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I just want to start by saying it's it's one
of my few regrets of actually not seeing them live,
even though you know, only two originals at the end, right,
I think their last year was ninety six. But I
know you guys want to go see them, right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I've never seen the Ramones live.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I went to go see them in nineteen ninety five. Okay,
so the year the Audios and a Migos tour at
the Hollywood Pladium. It was fucking rad. One of the
best shows I ever went to. Wow, it was crazy
like it sounded great. I was like, oh man, they're
like all old. Now it's going to be like lame.
And it was like twice as fast as the albums.
It must have played at least fifty songs.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
It was just like.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It was a half hour concert then, right.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It was just like on fire like and the plate.
I mean, I used to love watching shows at the
Pladium like back then in like the nineties because it
was such a cool place to see bands because you
can get pretty close and I don't know, I just
loved it, and I think it's kind of like one
of the places where I want to go see like
my first couple of shows. So I just just always
had that kind of like spot in my heart. And
then that like year I saw the Ramones and Jesus
and Mary Chain too.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Was it the one with Mazzie Star or yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Was that that one same thing?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
We were all in hand for that one.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I think No, Remember I told you I had to work,
so I had to work.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, I think it was at the most show. It
was just me and Paulow.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I remember you and Paul going for sure. Yeah, Yeah,
I was kind of bumped out.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I got like, oh man, sorry, I got a bootleg
shirt with the dinosaurs that were wearing some burrows, which
is kind of cool. I ed to wear that around.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What was the reference of that dinosaur for.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Because it's it's audios and egos, it's like they're retiring
the farewell, so that I think the theme was like
dinosaurs they're like leaving the earth, like.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know, right, because they are the one of the
very first punk bands, at least in the US soil
to be recognized here and been around forever DBGB scene
right late seventies.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
But definitely the earlier days. You know, it was more
of the radio play stuff that I that I heard,
and not until I was a little bit older when
I actually started listening to like the first, second, third,
fourth albums be waying from their styles. You know, it's
always that same, hard fast But what I've always loved
is Joey Ramone's girl group style phil Spector singing. You know,
I've always he's got those really pretty maladies in a
(04:11):
hard fast, rough punk song, right, So that's why that's
why it's like gravitating towards there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
But he always remains in one octave. It's still he
doesn't go past one pitch, but it's still great though. Yeah,
it works. I mean it's punk man, you know, that's
the idea of it.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
But I mean it's I mean, he sings in tune
and he's not yelling or screaming, and right end of
going with the song, he gives a song weed.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
To right the whole The music's good. There's many that
sounded like that, but he's like, singing is what really?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, this is what is the cheese that binds all
together that whole Phil Spector girl group. I mean, that's
like the best part about it. And that's all Joey Ramone.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Didn't Phil Spector hold a gun on their heads while
having him watch the Ronettes.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Also, Phil Spector loved joe ramone singing style and his vocals.
Clearly they're good. You know, they got tight.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
The other guys in the group hated him, but like
Joey and and got really.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I think they kind of got jealous because he really
wanted to focus on Joey's singing styles.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, because Johnny Rome won't have any of that stuff
absolute control in the band.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
The weird thing is, like, you know, I was always
a fan. I love the Ramones, but like now going back,
because I don't really I haven't really listened to them
for a while, you know, other than you know, just
hearing songs where they're not like on my regular rotation
of Oh, I'm gonna listen to some Romone songs because
I think I took them for granted. But because we've
been doing research for this, I'm like, wow, man, like
fucking Joey, Like he's a really good singer and you
read his lyrics and you're just like, wow, this is
(05:29):
really good. But then I started going a little bit
deeper and then finding out like a lot of the
songs were written by the bass player.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Wrote most of the songs. Yeah, d D.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, Yeah, he wrote a lot of the songs. And
I and then I didn't know that much about him.
And then I watched the documentary and learned a little
bit about him, and he was like the heroin Addict
and Crazy and the.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Doc is called End of a Century.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I remember I forgot some point in time in my life,
but like I saw, I saw a d D. King
video on oh he's his rap career, in his rap career.
I had no idea that was d D. Ramone. You know,
this really bad freaking music video and like he wakes
up some girl in the morning and like he's in
the bathroom. Some one ain't stand out the buck's going on.
(06:08):
The song was just so bad. I'm like, what the
fuck is this d D king guy? Then later on like, oh,
that's d D Ramone. From what I learned later too,
is that the band hated him for having this solo
ass rap career. But you know he saw that, he
saw the writing on the walls, like hey wraps the
way of the future. Musically, I'm getting on that boat. Yeah, yeah,
this song. Though I have no experiences with this song
(06:28):
at all, even I was roma's made a Christmas song
until you guys brought it up for this podcast.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
And it just became a staple for me. It's funny,
you know, at least on the surface.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
But I'm sure like when Joey wrote the lyrics, it
was it's all heart felt. In as many dystopian relationships,
he didn't like conflict.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
That's like one of the big things about it. He's
an interesting guy man, like he was born with the
with the twin like stuck in his back, like a
half a twin like it had to be removed. He's
always kind of sickly.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, he's always been D.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
He had like O c D, like really bad, and
it would take him forever to leave the house. And
because he would, you know, have to touch things.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
He he's laid some a few banned sessions because he
has to touch up on his oc D. Nois you
know right?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
He asked his mom to take him to a mental
institution and he stood there for a while because of
the OCD. When he was fifteen or something like that,
he checked himself in, right, Yeah, to a mental institution.
I don't know. They don't really talk about this, but
you write songs about like, you know, psychotherapy.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And be sedated.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, exactly why I don't want to be sedated.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean Joey Ramone is the lyric writer.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Joe Joey writes a lot of their.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, Joey, Didy and Joey Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And then the drummer too. The drummer wrote some of
the songs too. But he like left really early that
he would produce the he would actually produce and write
for them, right, and then he he started just being
like a studio guy, which is like insane, right, he
never thought like the the Ramones had like a guy
who was a producer, right, you thought they're just like
some punk band who doesn't give a fuck.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
But they also had an art director.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, they had art director, which is crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Yeah. Yeah, designed the classic presidential seal with their names
and the.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That is that is a very cool logogo too, so
to put it in there in this album though, the
Brain Drain album, it's Joey, Johnny Dedi, and Markey Ramone. Marky, Right,
Marky's the not the unorginal member in this one. He's
a drummer.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
But Marky he did starting seventy eight, which is still
pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Early Marky started when when the original drummer left and
the original drummer actually asked him to take his place
because he wanted to be more of a producer. And
it wasn't bad terms. It was this guy that he
doesn't want to play anymore like in the band. He
wants to just he's involving producer. Yeah, so let I'll
get this guy.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Part of it is too that I wanted to bring
up was the band turmoil, and he makes that clear
in the documentary. He's like, you know, and I wanted
to bring that up to you guys, Like you guys
been in bands, our own bands and other bands, you
ever have that like a good stand or people fighting
or that's never happened to you guys.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh yeah, I mean it's a common thing for like
any band really, I mean any band I already gotten
into it always sort of conflict, right, it's so tense, right, yeah,
but I mean in the Ramones levels, you know, it's
a little higher in the levels because love was involved
in this one where Johnny wind up having an affair
with Joey's girlfriend.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, but he later marries her, so they want to marry.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And actually, you know what's funny though, is that today,
you know, Instagram kind of changed their algorithm where if
you've exhausted all the posts of your friends, they would
throw you suggested posts, right. And what happened to me
on my feed was the girl who was Joey's ex
girlfriend her Instagram account fell into my This happened today. Yeah, Linda,
she's very active now, yeah, yeah, she's very active. She
(09:30):
has like sixty three thousand followers on Instagram, and so
she posted a picture of the Ramones. Good for her.
She's still alive. And kicking while both of her lovers
are now.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
But you know what, aside from that, I think a
major issue was Johnny Ramone's business acumen. Like he's he's
just you know, over the controlling. Yeah, and what was
he drinking?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Claim that he was sober throughout the party of career.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He claimed that he was straight edge almostly. I mean
he didn't say that, but when he talks, he's like,
I never did that, you know, he's very like righteous,
he's got in an asshole. No, I don't at all.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I don't know. Some drugs, I'm sure, but he was
more into the business side. I believe he was all
the guy who fire from playing.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
The drummers all the time or Cardita Ramon and all.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
The time he would just walk off. He doesn't say
anything to anybody. He just walks off on the ground.
He's he's cold, he's stone cold.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, he's very conservative. And that's what was a big
thing too. I don't know if you ever, guys ever
listened to Howard Stern, But like back in the eighties
and the nineties, Joey Ramone was always on Howard Stern
all the time and other friends. Yeah, they were always
they would always call up Johnny and there would be
like crazy fights because like they would Johnny would call
up because like Joey would be talking about him, like,
(10:44):
oh man, this guy, like he's not punk. He voted
for fucking Reagan, he voted for Bush. You know, he's
a conservative right ring.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Trumper if he's still alive, right, Joey sure, I mean
Johnny yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
For sure, Yeah for sure. And Joey remote is complete opposite.
Like he's a liberal Jewish from New York. I think
he comes from a little bit of money. I'm not sure.
I think he got left money from his parents.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Where his mom owns an art gallery.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But remember we always talked about how ours Stern would
be like the a Ramone as well, right, how he Ramone.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Lanky tall, Yeah, he fit the bill.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
He's got the hymen jean going on there, you know.
But but it's crazy, Like I mean, Johnny handled a
lot of the businesses with the band. He uh, he's
the guy who fired the original drummer as well, and
he would just say like, hey man, the guys just
don't think you'll cut it, like he was sounding the
d D. But actually when he first fired him, he's
platy the onus that it wasn't him. It's the other
guys who don't think he'll work with the band, you know,
(11:36):
but it's probably all Johnny.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Right, Johnny's the one who would like say stuff. But Tommy,
who is the drummer, was kind of more like a
manager and he would actually make a lot of like
the real business decisions because he was like the only
one out of all of them who had like a
he's the one that became the producer. But he's the
one that was like he had his own apartment. He
wasn't living with his parents still, like, and then so
him and Johnny would talk about the stuff, and then
(11:59):
Johnny's the one who would go and tell them because
then Johnny's one who would actually punch them too, Like
he would get a fistfights with DD and like it
was kind of like the Peter hook of the bat.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
He's the one that was like the enforced brute.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Being together for so long, it's like you can't escape
those kinds of things. You know, it doesn't matter if
someone's personality, you know, if everybody's cool, it's gonna happen,
you know what I mean. But you take it to
that level of success, it gets even worse, right, Like
money's involved, and obviously the being together all the time
and the pressure of like recording and dealing.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
With specters are if you're just like chilling, chilling out
and doing stuff. If one person says to the group, hey, man,
we have to do this, then all of a sudden,
that's the person who's like the enforcer, even though he
might not be saying it like a dick, but he's
just actually trying to go in one direction. Right, But
because it's been so chill, it comes off like, oh man,
this fucking asshole.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
But no matter what, that person's gonna all of a sudden,
you know, like even if he wasn't like a dick,
you're gonna be labeled as that because you're suddenly changing
a little bit. Like, man, you can't be drunk all
the time, or you can't do drug bills. This is
a thing we need to show up to these shows,
you know. Like I mean, he seems like an asshole
in the interviews, but even if he wasn't back then
maybe they turned him into an asshole, you know, just
because of.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
The position he was in. What are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
A lot of these a lot of these stories are
coming up from that autobiography he wrote where he died
and just how he viewed things. It's crazy. So it
was like when he died, he was still married to
the girl that he's stole from from Joey right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's crazy. Like have you guys ever seen his grave?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah? Looks cool, man.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
It's like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Like a life sized bronze statue. That's how I want
to go with, you know, when I'm dead, Like I'll
be in my podcasting headphones and this microphone I'm putting
on right now and all in bron.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I can see like four cents around you. Yeah, a
copper sense.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And a cat.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I was the asshole guy in the podcast.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Wait a minute, I never said that, but.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You guys will both have like some posthumous biography about
how much he hated working in this podcast. I steal
your cat, Alan and the cat starts his own Instagram
with a billion followers.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It only posts pictures of Ryan this video.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know, I'm actually happy that the remote. I mean
it's very on brand too. The Romans who have a
Christmas song as far as like the Romotes Christmas music videos.
Have you guys ever seen any other music videos by
The Ramones?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah? Just a couple.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, Like, well I've seen a couple. Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't know that I want to Be Sedated rock
and Roll High School.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I think it's on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I remember they made a video that I Don't Want
to Grow Up?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That was Yeah, we saw that later, the later you
and I Ryan, we saw that. Notes from the Underground.
It's set cartoon style from What's that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Artist Daniel Klaus is the artist Confidential Style ghost World.
It's on the im V DV. He's only credited as
the animator and there's no director.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's what it is personally for me, The Ramones like
a true life experience I have had with them, is
that their songs are so short. The fact that a
cram in that kind of impact in two minutes and
twenty seconds is to me is like mind blowing because
I was so used to having some being four minutes
and plus you know, to actually be a very good
song to be the Ramones. The fact that they kept
the song so compact and tight, it's amazing. When I
(15:08):
used to make mixtaps to ex girlfriends. I would always
put beat on the Brat on the end to fill
out the rest of the tape because it was only
like a minute and a half or something.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
You would make tapes only for ex girlfriends or they
were for girlfriends.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well they were my girlfriends at the time, but you
know now they're they're my ex girlfriends. This pointed with
my life. But like back in the day when I
used to make mixtapes for my girlfriends at that time, well,
I would put beat on the Bread because the song
is so cool and it's okay. Sur I paid three
dollars and fifty cents for this Maxel forty five minute
tape and I got HD down. Yeah with HD bias.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
The metal the metal ones.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah about the cheap ass ones though, because I was
I only kept the high bias ones for four track recording.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I wonder why they broke up with you because yeah,
but worth extra thirty cents.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But anyway, so yeah, like that, beat under Brat was
my signature song to fill out the rest of the
tape of Ryan Crazes for us.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I just guys, you guys are right or what? Ryan,
who directed this video George Seminar. Let's give him some
credit before we just get started here.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, man Seminar.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
But you know what's interesting and the Louis he actually
directed Snow's informer Inner Circle Bad Boys. He directed video
a live video. Interesting, right, that's it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I got a storied career, you know, like the late
eighties early nineties kind of Yeah, that era for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
He did a lot of like a lot of the
Roman stuff. He also did like a lot of just
punk stuff like live. He did like a lot of
live concerts stuff like that. And then and then all
his other weird credits, you know, the visual effects for
Repo Man and which is like another punk rock movie.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Right, it's just crazy cult movie.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Do you remember Just Say Yes?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Compilation compilation, the compilation.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah, Oh he's on there too. I don't know what
video he did for there, though, but probably a Ramones video,
is it?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I don't want to grow up? No?
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I think it was Bad Boys by Inner Circle.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And he was also in I was as an actor,
I Was a Teenage Vampire, a teenage zombie and beer
League with Laradie Lang from The Howard Stern Show.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Wow. Well, guys, uh, Speaking of song length, here's number one.
The Ramones are known for writing short, fast songs. Which
of the following songs is their longest, walking four minutes
and thirty three seconds long.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Prog rock effort exactly.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Hey, listen to my heart b Bye bye baby?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
See?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Do you want to dance? Or d Mama's Boy boy?
Inside joke a little too inside man, Al, you're red
blending out? Man, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Geez?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Take it easy?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Boom more time?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Hey, listen to my heart b Bye bye baby? See?
Do you want to dance? Or te Mama's Boy?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I'm gonna say, do you want to dance?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
See for Louis? Okay, let's see right, listen to my heart?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, that sounds like something, you know, like a little
more joey kind of want to convey more to the subject.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, don't listen to your heart this sound because it's
beat Bye bye baby?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
How do we get it both wrong?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Now here's a bonus. There's shortest song on his boy
beat on the breath. It's called Durango ninety five. It's
four seconds. It goes one, two, three, four, that's all
it does. Really, I'm kidding, man, it's fifty five seconds. Okay,
it's still very short.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Or maybe I always thought Animal Boy? Remember Animal Boy?
It's like so fast, It's like the fast song in
the world. Have you ever amal? I used to love
that song. I still do.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
All right, here's number two, guys, all right. In two
thousand and two, Spin magazine released their fifty Greatest Bands
of All Time, in which The Ramones ranked at number two,
only trailing behind the Beatles. Yeah, which of the which
of the following did not make the top ten? Right?
Not top ten? All right? Three are top ten? One
is not a The Beach Boys, b Bob Marley and
(19:06):
the Whalers, ce public enemy or de parliament funk Codell, Like, oh,
that's hard.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Personally, it would be public image limited, the public enemy,
public enemy? Oh public enemy?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, totally different.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Well it's a hard one, right, good one. I'm going
to think, I'm gonna I'm gonna take off my Louie
hat and I'm going to put on my ruling Stone
hat and I'm gonna say Parliament.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Well this is Spin magazine, but it's fine. Oh it's Spin,
all right, You're going with the Parliament, all right?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah? I vote public public enemies, not in that one.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Look all right, I'm not comfortable with my decision, but
you guys are both wrong. What here? It's the Beach Boys?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Really yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Guess what number top fifteen, twenty four, fifteen forty five.
Oh wow, Bob mar check this out, Bob Marlen, the
Whaler's four, Public Enemy eight, Parliament conk Like six and
al Bonus G two number twelve and the Smith's number
twenty one.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Louis Sonic Wow seventeen.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I love Parliament.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I'm glad that they're crazy. Right now for the lightning round?
Can we get you know, any a little lightnings? So,
as you guys know, quite a few bands covered Mary Christmas.
I don't want to fight tonight, right, so True Falls
the following band's trure Falls all right? All right, okay,
I'll start with you all. Number one Kung Fu Monkeys.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I't even heard this band, but I'll stay true.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Correct Louis men'swear.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I'm gonna say no, yere, I tried.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
To get tailor for you.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, I love Britpop.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Bowling for soup al.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't even think that's a band. Falls, it is,
It's true.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Have you ever read the OC weeklyoll you didn't see
him play the Hub the bulletin. How about this one?
Try this one, smash Mount.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Oh it's a hard one because in my brain I'm like, yeah,
of course they did it.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Was it? Yes, sir? No? True or false?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, you're correct.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yow al we're five. Here you go out cool mode.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
False, you're correct.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Louis cheap trick.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Oh wow, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Yes, you are correct, sir. Thanks right. How about number seven?
Now here you go Slider Kinney.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'll think I guess that one.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yes, they did play live Wow, Louie Yo let tang
getting Ellie weekly flashbacks with that name. I want to say, yes,
you're incorrect, sir, they did not. Actually. Finally and al,
how about Metallica, No, you're correct, it's.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Ann Metallica's into their own asses. Man, they're not gonna
do a Ramon song.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I thought for sure, you'll THINGO I begin they have.
You just know whe who wrote it down?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
It was live right? Yeah, I'll tell you what. Louis Jewish,
so they probably wouldn't sing about Christmas. I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
We'll say, oh they said Mary Honka honkah, I don't
want to fight something that their song.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
But the video, the first character we see aside from
the couple is a is a He's not a rabbi,
he's Jewish. He's wearing the yamaka right in the video. Yeah,
all right, that's it.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Good.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, So okay, let's have a little ad break for
our Yeah, enjoying these ads for a little bit. We'll
be right back. Okay, So let's talk about the music video, guys.
So you know the song was made in nineteen eighty nine,
so are you're getting this kind of very nineteen eighty
nine married with children aesthetic?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
See, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
House, Yeah, it's like a house, right. What's what's funny
is that it reminds me was like play house kind
of but you know, it's a house with not just wacky,
but it's it's semi wacky. They have zebra you know, drapes.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Or how about like Tales from the Dark Side monsters
that kind of like.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, they had the crescent moon outside the window, and
I was getting a lot of stays the vibes out
of there.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And but yeah, there's a guy just reading the Christmas
Carol on his couch and then his girlfriend, I don't
know if his wife or girlfriend right comes up to
him and basically gives them shit. Right, it's Christmas time
and she wants to go see her.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Family in Minneola, Florida.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, it's an actual city in Florida called Minneola. She
wants to see her parents in Minneola, Florida, but instead
they're having a Christmas party in the house with his friends. Really,
that was the original plan. She wanted to go see
her parents, and then she gives them shits for saying that, no,
you don't have any friends.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Obviously there's already like a thing happening with them before
all this.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's a toxic relationship from the very beginning, right, totally
antagonizing him from the very beginning, and just responds to
it with the same energy.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Once the relationship gets to that, no matter what you say,
no matter what anybody says, it's a fucking fight. Like
it's like, yeah, they're at that point of the relationship
where they just hate each other.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I mean it seems like they're just living with each
other for convenience sake by themselves, they can't afford the rent,
so they need each other financially. That's how they're trying
to survive this COVID twenty twenty relationship. Right, Yeah, I really.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Feel like this video is a mirror and whatever you
see in that relationship is what you see in your
own Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
But that's that's what they're trying to paint for this
music video. They just want to fucking fight there every
fucking sense they're ready to go. And of course the
relationships so fucking toxic. Like the anything is a trigger
with the.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Backdrop of the holidays right back up the holidays, so
it makes it even the impact is even stronger because
it's like, oh, wait a minute, I forgot this is
a Christmas song, right, you got got a sweet riff
in the beginning, right.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And then yeah you get the Ramones plan. I'm surrounded
by Marshall Amps singing this.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
You know what's kind of weird. It's kind of a
cool modern relationship sort of. I mean, they hate each other,
but because in like a lot of like older videos,
like they make the female like the evil person in
the relationship, right, but this one's really she starts off like, oh,
like this guy's just reading a book and like this book,
but really she wants to go visit her family, and
he's like, no, fuck that, I want to have a party.
(25:15):
What Like, Yeah, she wants to go vis visit her family,
but they're both just anti each other, so.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Like anything that she does, he has to go to
the opposite because he just hates her so much.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, exactly, oppositional. Yeah, it doesn't matter where it goes.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
This is a huge fish on the wall the video.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
It's the fish of God. Jesus is the fish because bread, Yeah,
Lisa loaves of bread there God, No, it's it's a
bountiful Christmas evening. You know, you got you got a
bunch of friends who look like Mayor with children extras
partying around with a couple of e I was getting
bec boy vibes actually from this video because it has
(25:57):
that same kind of cinematography for the right to party.
It's a kitchen or a living room dining room area,
and then the boyfriend has the girlfriend and a double
choke hold like the undertaker holding the Big Show or something. Right,
it's crazy, Like when I saw it, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
But to be fair, they're both really attacking each other, right.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, they're taking blows on this very toxic relationship.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Which brings me to the point that in the video
it's been like this right out, Like you said, it's toxic.
It's been like this for months or however long they've
been doing together. That's what I'm saying. The holidays are
it's an emotional time, you know. That's Oh absolutely, It's
one of those things where it will come out because
people are stressed out and people want to you know,
they want to be with relatives and family loved ones,
and they they got to have.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
A some sort of significant other, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Like going back to the video, do you think that
people at the end of the year, with the new
year coming want to like leave the relationship with they're
apt because they know that this person's not going to
change before the main Sure, I need to get the
fuck out.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Like as far as this music video is concerned, this
one's like beyond repair, you know, because they just want
to fight all the time, maybe to get off on fighting.
The relationship is based on conflict and like they can't
they feel the relationship is not going anywhere unless there's
some sort of fucking drama going on. For me, this
is what I'm getting out of this music video. You'll
find the slightest thing, as I'm saying, like in the
(27:21):
Animatest music video where she opens her present and it's
a red scarf, but the scarf makes her feel bloated.
The color, the color of the scarf makes her feel bloated.
I'm like, the guy made an effort. Then all of
a sudden, the fact that the fight recycles over again.
Like sometimes like I get confused, like do these people
fight because it turns them on? Or do they fight
(27:41):
because they just hate each other but they have no
idea how to get out of it. And that's what
keeps the relationship interesting is because of the conflict.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Meations are weird because once you get bored of each other,
the first thing you do is to start talking shit
about people that you know, so like you start talking
about other relationships that you like, other friends and stuff
like that you have a relationship with. You start talking
about their relationship and not talking about you anymore because
you're already bored with each other. And then after that happens,
(28:11):
you go to that where you just start fighting with
each other all the time because you have anything to
talk about anymore. Yeah, you've already exhausted talking about your
friends or whoever else, and now you're just bored with
each other and you're stuck there and that's where they're at.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And yeah, my last relationship I hired this phrase from
her was just that if you get bored, it's because
you're boring. Oh you know, like so so like to me,
that kind of sunk into me. It was like, because
if you're bored at something, like not because of me personally,
but it just like in general, if you're bored at something,
it's because you can't find anything interesting about it, that
(28:46):
means you're boring. And then so to me, it's like
if you're gonna find antagonism because you're bored, that that's
super toxic.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
That's like a nineteen fifties dad saying like, oh, if
you're bored, then that means that you need to get
up and go mow the lawn or something that does.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
What do you feel about that? Do you think that's
true or do you think it's just a projection issue.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I think in a relationship sense, people just say that
because they can't really do anything about it to fix something.
So of course, you know, the it's on you, it's
your you're the one that's creating this issue. I mean
it's always like that in relationships, right, it doesn't matter
what season or what holiday or what party you're in.
When you get to that point where it's like the
conflict and then, like Louis said, you know, you're you're
(29:28):
done talking about others, So now what's left but to
face the facts? And it's right here in front of
each other, and it's like there's no going back. You know,
it's like, how do you manage it? I guess it's
the because every little thing will trigger the fight, right,
and anything you can say, you can say, oh you
look so beautiful to day, it's like, all of a
sudden that will turn into right, it will be one
hundred eight degrees and it's.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Like, what am I prettier than? What's your phrase?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
There? You go right?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Or are you the classic one? Oh you look pretty today? Well,
I don't want to be pretty. I want to be sexy.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
You can't win, can't And it's on both ends.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
This music video personifies that kind of toxic relationship where
like you have good intentions, but still like they'll find
a way to twist.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It around after that they're willing to do it in
front of people and the people and at their own party.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Well, that's the thing that those kind of people, when
you get invited to their house, you're like, oh, fuck,
I don't want to go because you know they're going
to fight.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Man. And if we're situations for other couple's fights, man.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
They want to invite somebody to be a buffer between
them about it. And then but then yeah, the buffer
saying man, it.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Could be a kind of couple who get off on
this kind of conflict. They just want to fight. That's
how they define the relationships is conflict. They can't function
on anything else unless they get some sort of conflict.
They can't get a rise or like some sort of
stimulation in their love life is unless they get some
sort of conflict recharging the relationship.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Right, There's a.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Lot of people that if they don't have anything in common,
but they talk so much about other people, they don't
want to actually break up. They don't want to be
alone because they're afraid of it. So then they you know,
start finding other ways to stay in that relationship, you know,
like get off on that kind of stuff. And you know,
what else are you gonna do? You know, are you
gonna say I was wrong. I made the wrong choice.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
No, I mean, stay with it this music video, you know,
like they add some weird amends, but none of them
apologize for each other's actions.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But interestingly, this, this topic is very commonplace nowadays because
of the COVID and everybody's stuck at home, working from home.
There's no very little outlets, right even even if you
were like doing your own thing, like you have your
own little hobby. Still, you know, like you know, you
guys are creative types, and sometimes that can still get
in the way. I can affect your mood of wanting
(31:43):
to do something, and of course that's gonna come out,
you know, when you have a confrontation with your loved one,
you know, and it's like and I'm not just talking
about a married couple or boyfriend, girls, but also like
family members, siblings or mom, dad, whatever it is. But yes, absolutely,
this is very topical as well.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Totally, totally, the divorcory is going up because people are
there's a bit a lot of abuse because they're just
stuck at home together. A lot of people are figuring
out like, wow, you know, I don't think I picked
the right person.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
On top of all that, other stuff. So there's been
a lot more you see it. I mean I see
so many signs like two hundred dollars divorce, three hundred
dollars divorce you know now you know, no court fees
and stuff like that, and.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Explain that because I don't know. Two hundred dollars divorce.
Is that how much it costs for the divorce.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
To be Yeah, if it's if everybody is cool with
just like splaining everything, it's only gonna be like one lawyer,
it's pretty much just for the paperwork costs and stuff
like that. You know, dollars two hundred, three hundred bucks.
I've been seeing the signs of it. Yeah, everywhere. During
the holidays is like one of the craziest time for
relationships because they say a lot of men break up
with women because they don't want to buy them gifts
and get back with them after the holidays. They want
(32:46):
to party during New Year. How it goes, Yeah, and
then a lot of women are trying to find someone
to take home to the family, so they're trying to
get into relationships while men are trying to get out
of relationships. So during the holidays, it's a very weird
time to during the holidays is like one of the
biggest times for suicide, that's true, the biggest times during depression.
(33:07):
And it's just like one of the craziest, weirdest parts
of the year.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
So what And a lot of people say that jo
Ramone wrote this about his ex girlfriend, but I don't know,
it's kind of a long time, you know, the one
that Linda that was actually that was stolen from him,
you know, But I don't know, it seems like it's
a kind of a long time between it. They always
say that that Joey is not about conflict, and he
was also the one that didn't never wanted conflict in
(33:32):
the Ramones. It was always the other Ramones that we're
always fighting, you know, and he was just kind of
like go back and so.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
So basically that I don't want to fight tonight. Isn't
a loved one. It's his bandmates. Is that what it was?
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It could be I mean, it could be about non
conflict or I mean it could be an old story
about Linda or something like that.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Too, relationships within the band, It could be within anybody really,
But I think you're right. I'm sure he pulled you know,
information and like experiences from different parts of his life.
But yeah, right, I did I hear about that. Part
of that song was his relationship and what he went through,
and I guess a way of making peace, but not
in real life, more through art, you know, in an
artistic expression of making with Johnny Ramone. The end and
(34:13):
end of the video is Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Like a guy dress up like Santa Claus barfing at
a toilet.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Right, But before that you get the fast recording right
of eighties.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Thing, right, yes, like an eighties like fast forward.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
And then like a corner street corner, Santa is throwing
up in the toilet, right.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
You know, granted, like somebody's peaking on a toilet that's
a very clean toilet. Right, you get the nice blue
and then there's a caption on brush script font saying
to our fans and Merry Christmas the Ramones.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
So basically, yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
They're the only two people that will take each other's
ship man, and that's why those people stay together for
the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
But he's a man of the arts though he's reading
Christmas Carol.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
No, Ryan, do you have any how many YouTube views
this music video got?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
What do you guys think? First of all, this is
through Rhino Records, so what do you guys think? Oh,
by the way, uploaded two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
A little bit before we decided to do this video.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Correct, there's other ones. Rhino even released just the lyrics,
with just the album cover and then the lyrics only.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Okay, I would guess twenty five thousand, twenty five thousand.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
That's exactly gonna say twenty five thousand. It's funny, so
I'll go higher. I'll go thirty eight.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Thousand, Lewis closer forty two thousand eight or and forty.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Four Wow, in two weeks I know, right?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Which may? There's very little comments. I checked both. I
checked the different ones that were uploaded, but really I
only got one.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
This was a but this's bizarre though that the little
practices maybe to get more meat than you.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Down to eighty two comments.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Eight are looking at it's all the same. It's all
the same too.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Like best Christmas song? Best? What's your comment that you found?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Right? Well? The comment was actually a response to somebody saying,
is this supposed to be cool? So Steven Jackson said,
but see this is what's weird, guys. It says here
he commented two years ago, so I guess it was reuploading.
It's weird, so I would imagine it's re uploaded. But anyway,
this is what he says. He says, punk is still cool.
You know what the song is saying. Right at Christmas,
(36:26):
the rates of domestic violence go up along with A
and E A is I guess in the UK it
stands for accidents and emergencies. Oh okay, along with A
and E admittance. This song is literally about that, all
the children tucked in their beds. He's coding the song
I love you and you love me, And that's the
way it's got to be. Fearing violence to come when
the kids aren't around because it's a relationship they're stuck
(36:48):
in and expected to hold for religious reasons Catholic and
too much drink leads to violence. Imagine the words coming
from a woman. The song was against the grain of
Christmas music, being all happy and jolly and calling out
a serious issue in socie. If it's not cool to
stand up and blast something for being wrong and the
fact it's not talked about, and at the time it
really wasn't, then I'm just about done with humanity. Wow,
(37:09):
a little political thoughts, social commentary. But at the same
time I get what he's trying to say. The thing is,
you know it's deeper than it really is, because you know,
like you said, you watched the video and how it's performed,
and in the song it's you know, you're thinking, oh,
it's the Ramones, right rock, right, but the message really
come on?
Speaker 3 (37:26):
We we yeah, we didn't even talk.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
We didn't even talk about about during the video that
no one has anything plugged in. Yeah, Joey's Whi's not
plugged in. All the guitars are not plugged in. That's
kind of funny what I thought that Christmas?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
It's magic, It's a Christmas miracle.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Did you see the comment about the guy who said
that the girl looks like what are the girls that
Jerry dated on Seinfeld? That was a funny ques.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Okay, guys, so the Ramones Merry Christmas. I don't want
to fight tonight. Would you keep it or would you
throw it back? First of all, let me talk about
the band.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
I Uh, I didn't appreciate them in the beginning, to
be honest with you, but as I got older and
and really realized the effect they had on music and style.
You know, they're they're they're definitely up there, but this
was this song was later in their career. It's not
the original members, but damn you can't. You can't fault them.
It's it's a great song. The video again, it's just
(38:25):
that little whipped cream on top. Man. We all have
relations experiences with this and it's it's a little corny,
but also the same. You know, it's it's it speaks
of the time. Of course, I like it. I enjoyed it.
It's something that I would want again and to see again,
and it's definitely a It became a staple of the
song in my Christmas playlists. So I'm definitely keeping.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
This in your in your family Christmas parties, you have
this in your rotation, your DJs, absolutely yeah this Personally
for me, I do dig this song. You know, it's
classical romonis. We all expect the songs to be about
two minute and a half songs, but it keeps you hanging.
That's one thing. The same thing about the Ramones songs.
They're so short and basic. By the same time, it's
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because of Joey's delivery and just the lyrics keeps your
wanting for more, and you can relate with it as
as someone who, let's say you're a troubled kid or
someone who's troubled by a thing that you can't control.
But yeah, I'm keeping this one too. It's entertaining, definitely,
and it's funny. But in real life, I certainly do
(39:27):
not wish this reality up amongst my friends or anyone
I care about. As for me, ask for me, for.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Me, the last asks for me for the the year. Yeah,
this is a great song. The Ramones are awesome, and
I love that we did this because it made me
reappreciate them again because I haven't really listened to them
for a while and kind of being back in that
high school like mode where it's like, Wow, these guys
are fucking amazing. If anybody gets a chance to listen
(39:59):
to Joey's demo of the song, it is amazing. Really,
it's it's so good sounding, it's it's so good. It's
very like kind of Shangri Law's girl group, but it's
just him, and yeah, it's so good. The video, I mean,
it's classic, it's classic eighties video.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
It's it's funny because it does remind me of the
Fight for Your Right to Party video, which.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I don't like that much.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
But this one is actually like a narrative and there's
the people are acting and it's funny and it's it
makes it more lighthearted than with Joey's original, like the
way he wanted the song to sound. But now I'm
gonna keep it. It's just classic eighties, you know. I love
a lot of this kind of stuff. It's a terrible video,
but I'm keeping it because it's so bad it's good.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
It's one of those kind of you know, it's like
it's so bad, it's good and it's very ramote.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
It also passes a Christmas song, it really really does.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
It's a great song.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah, absolutely, it really like for me, you know, that's
one of my standards is Criteria's it has to have
that Schriosphilian does have. Even though the subject matter and
and what happened you see in the video this past
for Christmas.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Song, Well it made it through a mainstream movie, right.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
One of the Christmas songs when you're at the market
or when you're working at a job and they're only
playing Christmas music, when that song comes on, you're like, oh, yeah, finally.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
In closing, twenty twenty has been a crazy year for everybody,
I'm sure, and we thank you for anyone who's bothered
to listen to this podcast. We appreciate your ears and
you've taken an interest into this show. We love putting
it out for you guys. We love you all. The
fact that you've given us your ears for the past
how long we've been doing this, guys, seventeen years, right,
(41:36):
seventeen thousand years. So we do appreciate everybody who's listening
to this show and stuck with us through since what
twenty sixteen, well, yea, almost four years. We had a
few high years since then, especially this year. We had
a little hiatus, but we're still trying to get some
content out of you guys because A I love hanging
out with these guys and the fact that we have
(41:57):
an outlet that you guys can actually listen through our bullshit.
We appreciate it. We love you guys. Twenty twenty one,
hopefully you guys get your shots and we feel better
this world goes back to normal.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Love it all, love it.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
As Dita Ramone said, I think myself and I've put
myself on that I love that dude.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Right right, Ramone, right here? Oh Louis Ramone here?
Speaker 5 (42:21):
What'd you got? What you got for Usler? All right?
Speaker 4 (42:23):
So okay, So then for the next episode, I am
picking not only Rolling Stones, but also Pitchfork and MPR's
Song of the Year for twenty twenty, wap Lap by
Cardi B and Megan the Stallion. I'm very controversial this
(42:47):
year in and we're going to get into it. There's
a lot of stuff that happened with this just you know,
with even with politics, it got kind of deep with
the song. So I'm really really interested in getting kind
of deeper in this video and watching this video.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Quard, Wow, there we go. I don't think Ben Shapiro
will be listening to this episode anytime soon.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
I hope you.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Enjoy it, so we'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Thank you for joining us at t m BR podcast.
We hope you enjoy our show as much as we
enjoy recording it. You can subscribe to us through your
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Speaker 3 (43:41):
Drink No, I Got a Red Blend going on here.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
It's so you red blend. That is how your final
fantasy there
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