Truth Wanted 08.33 08-15-2025 with ObjectivelyDan and Bat Cruise Guests

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey, everybody, Objectively Dan here, and as you can see,
I'm not in my bedroom right now. I am live
at the Atheist Community of Austin studio here with Kelly Laughlin,
John from the nonprofits, and a whole lot of other
hosts coming tonight. So get ready because the show is
starting right now. Hello, Hello everybody, and welcome to a

(00:48):
live studio episode of Truth Wanted. I am your host,
Objectively Dan. This is the live Calvin show that happens
every single week Fridays at seven pm Central Time. We
talk to people about what they believe and why and
guess what. You can call into The number for that
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to two, or you can call through your computer at
tiny dot c c slash call t W truth one.

(01:11):
It is of course a product of the Atheist Community
of Austin, a five o't one C three nonprofit organization
dedicated to the promotion of atheism, critical thinking, secular heumanism,
and the separation of religion and government. And in case
you weren't aware, we weren't just a remote show always.
In fact, we've done quite a lot of shows in
this studio. Though it's been a minute. It's been about

(01:31):
a year since I've been in here doing stuff with
you guys, So I am happy to be here with
a live studio audience today. Really really excited about that guy.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I feel like I'm amongst giants here.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
That's true. Kelly is a very small man, and John
and I are not very small man. So you know
there is that big man. You guys came You came
from Florida, yes, and you came from Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I came from Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yet why that's like so far?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Why would you do that because I wanted to be
here with you?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh no, shut up now, now he's I wasn't trying
to be sentimental of that. I was just asking like,
why would anybody make I mean, Austin is great. I
love being in the city, but it is pretty far.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I know I've always had a good time here.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, I know. I know that the real reason is
because this weekend we are having our back cruise, and
that's happening tomorrow. Actually, so not just these guys, but
a bunch of other folks are gonna be out and about.
I don't know if we have tickets lift Actually maybe
there's tickets. If there are, maybe they'll flash on screen
for you to buy some. If you want to still
come because it should be a good time. Then Sunday
we'll be having our in studio shows for Talk Heathen

(02:35):
and the Atheist Experience. You should definitely check that out
if you're somewhere around us. If if he can make
it from Florida and he can make it from Michigan. Okay,
I'm pretty sure you know a lot of you guys
could come out if you really wanted to.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
But hey, you know, we all got different no excuses people.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's what I'm saying. You know, we do have open
lines right now, so folks, do not leave our live
audience hanging. Okay, I want to talk to some of
you guys and you know, have a conversation here. It
could be about anything, could be Bigfoot, could be about aliens.
It could be about God or I don't know, Lulu,
you know, you know whatever. Kelly's hiding in his pocket
over here, I don't know. Maybe he's got.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
A picture of myself.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh yeah, you were showing me that where you were Like,
Kelly came up to me, he was like, hey, did
you know that I used to like be skinny and
wear ties when I was younger too, And I was like, Kelly,
you didn't have to show me a picture of that.
I would have believed it anyway. I don't think I've
ever seen you without a tie at this point.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
And look at this time? Isn't this time?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
This is a really good tie. Can we get a
zoom on this tie?

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Real?

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Bit?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's been about a minute before since I did not
wear a time.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't know if we actually can do a physical
zoom with this camera, but look, it's got some nice
there we go. We got some nice dinosaurs going on here,
which is really good. I really like that tie.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Kelly, I'm having a problem with my headphone. It was
working perfectly before the show started.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
That's okay, you need to hear anything anyway, It's okay.
It's not like you're live. Yeah, it's totally cool. Yeah.
So before we keep moving, actually we need to talk
about last week's uh we want the truth segment and
uh usually I call in Kelly to get his you know,
camera on, but hey, you're here right now. Yeah, so yeah,
what's up, Kelly?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Not much, I don't have it.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, you didn't have that screw. We didn't. We didn't
get that set up here, but we do have our results.
Every week we are asking you guys a question or
a prompt and we pick our top three answers from
the comments section. So last week we asked you guys.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
What was the fallout?

Speaker 6 (04:27):
What was the fallout of Jesus turning the water into
wine at that wedding? Yes, and here are our favorite answers.
Number three from Chuck Gatos The fallout of Jesus turning
water into wine. He was crucified for bootlegging. The church
stayed to change the story later to make it for
our sins awesome.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
She was like a bootlegger, Like, yeah, well, you know,
drinking too much.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know, that's kind of a sin, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
I think the church had the monopoly on the wine thing,
didn't they.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Oh yeah, he's like violating the monopoly.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Oh yeah, I could see that. Okay, all right, Yeah,
that's a cool version of Jesus. What else we got?

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Okay, Number two from know What? The fallout of Jesus
turning water into wine? A lot of really bad carry.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Oh that's gonna happen tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I think that's gonna happen later.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, that's pretty good. I like that one. That's a
good answer.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
And from pH Schneiders seven o eight number one answer,
what was the fallout of Jesus turning water into wine?
Much like the fallout from Heis nin and Vonnie gets
k k Kurt's churk that's cradle. He turned all the
water into wine by accident and the dad had to
intervene in a hurry.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I think Kelly's been
turning water into wine before this show started. What's going
on with no kid?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, No, he's not.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
He has I'm suffering from like I'm still like you.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, so let's talk about this. So, Kelly, not only
did you come from Michigan, you drove.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, we drove.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
You did well. You you run the car I drove.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I drove, he did draw.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
No, I drove to Saint Louis and then I picked
up two of our awesome nonprofits and they drove the
rest of the way.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's so insane. I don't think I've ever driven that
far anywhere. That's I guess I have driven to Florida before, actually,
but that was like one time.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
One of the people that drove with me. I think
is going to be on the show later.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. I don't know if we
if our guests are special. I guess first of all,
our guess are special. I mean, I don't know if
we're if we are announcing ahead of time who our
guests are.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's why I didn't say this.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, maybe should keep it with the surprise, I think,
just in case. But that's crazy. How was the trip?

Speaker 7 (06:26):
Was it good? It was?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, it was good. It was really good.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
I think I mentioned to you before. I saw a
billboard on the way down or they had like the
picture of a baby, and it was like an anti
abortion billboard, but it said that babies had fingerprints eight
months after they were conceived, and I thought, that's really
good because now we can catch them when they do crime.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, we got to build it is for criminal babies.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's it, criminal baby.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Sorry doing that? Yeah? How about you, John? How is
your trip over here?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
My trip was pretty uneventful.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I flew on a Boeing airplane, okay, and I won't
mention the airline all right, okay, But and it was uneventful.
Unlow some flights I've been on who lost engines and
things like that. This was just straight flight about two
and a half hours, okay from Tampa and I live
south of Tampa for those of you who don't know,

(07:18):
and it was fine, that's for they don't they don't
serve food, or they do serve alcohol, but you got
to pay for all the stuff, and it's outrageous.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes, side, there's been a lot of issues of planes.
I don't really fly too often, but did I talk
about this on the show?

Speaker 5 (07:31):
You know?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I went to New York a couple of weeks ago,
and we got onto the plane and then they're like, hey,
our center in Chicago like is having a fire alarm,
so we need to get everybody out. We're like in Austin,
but apparently their central thing Interagra was like, oh, they're
leaving the building, so they made us get out of
the plane. But as we were all getting out of
the plane, they were like, oh, looks like they restored

(07:52):
the power and everything's good, but we still have to
get everybody off the plane so we can check everybody
in again. So we had to get good and then
wait for them to I don't know, get their shit
together and then get back on the plane. It's just like,
I don't know what's going on because you hear about
all the stuff with the airlines today, and like, I
don't know, makes you nervous, you know, I flying these days.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I had some friends when they said, oh you're flying.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, they said, okay, well we can start writing your
eulogy now, right.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, that's why I drove.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think there was a plane crash today. Wasn't there
one today? And like in Montana, I think I heard.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
That when I heard something about it.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I don't know. I think there was a car crash
today though. You know what, Kelly, you're probably right about that. Hey,
you should be a prophet, you.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Know, well, I am a nonprofit.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Ah that's a good plug. I like that. That's really good.
You'd be a pretty cool cat. I'd follow you, Kelly,
if you're a prophet, thanks dam yeah yeah, thanks, you'd
probably be you probably. I don't know. I shouldn't say
what you'd be doing. Actually, I don't know if the
AA would approve of what I was about to say there.
But the point is you'd be a good problem.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I would take care of people.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
You would take care of people and their medicinal needs.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
And I wouldn't be selfish.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. I don't think you would be.
Like I said, we do have open calls at the moment,
we're waiting on you guys.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
To know where to stuff either.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I wouldn't do that, you wouldn't do that, Which that's.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
That's a big part in you know, being a cult thing.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think. Yeah, that's like ninety of being a cult.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Yeah, so there's so I don't know if i'd be
a good cult because I wouldn't have that.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, I mean you'd be. I don't know that that
would be your angle as a cult. It's like, hey, yeah,
we're a cult, like you'd be open about it, but
like we're not. We're not into the sex stuff, you know. Okay,
you know I could see you doing that. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Consent is a big thing about our cult.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, the cult of consent. I like that. That's a
good one, or at least at.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Least consensual non consent.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, Well, John, this is a family friendly show, and
I think we should you know, leave it there at that.
But anyway, Yeah, I am so glad that we're here.
We have somebody in the audience from the Netherlands this weekend.
That's yeah, that's a cool right, Like we're definite going
to have even more people at the back crows and
stuff tomorrow and Sunday, So.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, what are you most looking forward to this weekend?

Speaker 6 (10:05):
I actually something that's already started today. Yeah, that was
hanging out with all the friends that I have here
that I only get to see everyone in a great
That's true.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
So that's a good one. What about you? John?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Pretty much the same thing, except for you know, the
idea that there's a Vesican free tale bats and this
is the largest colony of them and watching those is
just fantastic.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
It is.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
That's such an amazing thing.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
I think last year like we didn't really get to
see any bats like at all.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
I think there were there were some.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I think there's some, but there's always like a risk
that they don't come out. They just decide not to
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Day off.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, they just take a day off.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's kind of crazy thing. Yeah, in case you don't
know what we're talking about, you know, like, uh, we
do have bats that come out of the south of
Congress Bridge that just and it's like over a. I
don't know how many. It's supposed to million and a
half or million.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
And a half, two millions something. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's so crazy they can fit there. I wonder if
it's a miracle, you think that they were multiplied.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
I think it's sort of more like an atheist miracle,
because if you've ever seen bats come out of a bathouse,
one of those old tiny bathhouse, they usually have twenty
or thirty.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Of them in that right place.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
So I built a bathhouses for my Eagle Scout project.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, really, you were an Eagle Scout.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
I am an Eagle Scout.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
No, I was gonna say condolences, but you know that's.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, that's kind of yeah, you know, there is that.
I think it was it Steven Spielberg that like gave
up his Eagle Scout. Uh, the ranking. I guess I
think in like protests for gay rights or something. Really, yeah,
I think that was the thing I heard. Just like,
I don't know what that. I guess you sign a
letter and say I'm no longer an Eagle Scout.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
I was in the Boy Scouts, but I was la lazy.
I never got past second class stex.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, so my dad eventually became a Scout master, so
that kind of helped a little bit. There was a
little bit of a motivation there, because then you look
bad if you're a scout Master's kidding, you know, not.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Only that you come home after you've failed and they
they've already got the switches already cut.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
You know, right, Yeah, there is that too. Yeah, I
don't think they're doing that these days. I will say this,
you know, talking about that, you know, a lot of
people were up in arms about people letting girls into
the Boy Scouts, and that was like, I think you
remember this a few years ago. It's, first of all,
it's totally for marketing and stuff, right, because they're losing
numbers every year. It makes sense. And also boy Scouts
is just fun. Yeah, I just think hate but I

(12:18):
should be able to do it. When I heard about it,
I thought it was an awesome idea. But it's a
lot of people that whenever you were in Scouts, they're like, oh,
this is terrible.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I loved going on camping trips and.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
What I'm saying right, Yeah, And plus there's like a
lot of boy Scout like specific camps and stuff that
they would never let girl Scouts, right, because it's like
a separate thing.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
So they just teach them to sell cookies, right.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's part of it. They made a lot of money
that way.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, it just seemed like it was a total market.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
You know, you know you're supposed to do if you're
a boy scout. You know what they sell?

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Popcorn?

Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's popcorn. Yeah. And I remember when I was a kid,
we made a killing in front of the local Blockbuster, right,
just park in front of the Blockbuster, start selling popcorn.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Boom, like in girl Scouts in front of the dispensary.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
But now it's like, where do you go?

Speaker 6 (12:59):
There's no Blockbuster, You go to the dispensary.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
You're probably right, I bet they do do that. I
would not be surprised if we read some news story
about some girl Scouts making a killing in front of
the dispensary in like Colorado or something.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Oh yeah, I would think that would be a prime location.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, gotta be gotta be.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Well, anyway, we still have again open lines and we're
waiting for you guys to call into the show. And
like I said, don't disappoint our live audience here, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Don't disappoint me this is my first time on it.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's right, yes, first time And usually you're on the nonprofits.
Maybe you should talk about what the nonprofits is.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Sure, And I'm on the nonprofits usually once or twice
a month, and I can tell you that the nonprofits
we take news that is uh concerning to humanists and
atheists and other non believers, and we we have a
panel and we talk about and give our opinions on

(13:59):
what's going on, speaking in a from an atheist, agnostic
or humanist point of view, and it's something that you
probably won't get in your normal news feed. So it's
usually very very very cool. And the people who are
nonprofits really do do a lot of homework.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
For those yeah, right, which is not something like we
pretty much ever do on like in the rest of
the show. I tried. We started, we started to do
it for a bit. I was like, Oh, we should
do like segments and stuff, remember that we were trying
to do, you know, some free of the stuff. But
then I was like, oh, that takes like work, though
I don't know if I feel like doing it. Why
work when you can just kind.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Of riff live I do Miss Dan's deep dives.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
We need to bring back to deep dives. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
We can riff a deep dive.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
We could riff one, sure, Yeah, you have like an
encyclopedic knowledge of cryptids I've come to learn, so you
could probably riff on like one.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Do you know what a congo motto is?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
No, it sounds like a disease.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
It's it's it's a cryptive from the congo that looks
like a giant pterosaur.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's awesome. Yeah, I know, what is it with dinosaurs
and the congress and the congo? Because it's weird that
it's happened to us. What's the other one called mkulum
of Benbe? We know, yes, we stand mckellum Avenbe. That's
like the big long neck one, right, Yeah, I remember
was it? There was some creationist I think I talked
about this in the show at time, But there's like

(15:21):
a younger creationist documentary that like tried to go out
and find or whatever. Yeah, because the idea is if
you find live dinosaurs, well that just.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
Throws evolution right out the whole.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Man. I was reacting to his stream. I was, I
was streaming last night and there was this guy's video
a younger creationist and one of his proofs okay that
dragons are you know they say that like dragons or dinosaurs, right, yeah,
So his proof was in the Cambridge Dictionary, the nineteen
forty six dictionary. It says that they were rare. That's

(15:56):
part of the definition, but it actually means like that
partic Like the definition was oh a serpent like being
rare now, which is like, oh, that's talking about that
definition being rare and not like dragons. But he was like, no,
see in nineteen forty six, like they were still they
were around and kicking, and for some reason the Cambridge

(16:17):
Dictionary was like keeping track of their population numbers, which
is awesome.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Because that's what a dictionary does, right.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
It was so cool. It was like, wow, I don't
your brain is so broken beyond it or I can
think that that was.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
Like a Cambridge scholars have counted fifty six dragons.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Right, they're doing a census on the dragons in the dictionary,
which is which is great. But anyway, I love Young
Earth gracious talking points.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you didn't know anything about
the librarians across the world. They in track of.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Live Live Dragon Camp, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I think there's a movie about that or something. I
don't know anyway, man, Yeah, that's a really fun idea,
the fact idea that like dragons and dinosaurs are like
the same thing. So it's like, you know, but they
all have like wings and stuff. I guess they just
maybe maybe they actually did have wings. We just haven't
found the bones for.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Not all dinosaur or dragons had wings.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Right, I guess it's true, like.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
A worm like traditionally the Rue dragon, like the China dragon,
kind of dragons.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
That's true. That's kind of a weird thing that a
bunch of cultures had kind of a giant lizard monster.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Well, it's because there was a bunch of giant lizard
bones laying around.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
You think that's what it was. You think they just
saw the bones and like what must be?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
It must be, must be That's what I would think.
That would be my.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Most I could see it. Yeah, you know, I don't
know it said, it's that idea.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
We've got to have an answer for something that we
don't have an answer for, right, so we're gonna make
something up. We'll make up you know, we'll make up
a god or a dragon to fit this thing.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, that we don't have an explanation for Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
I believe I heard on one of the many YouTube channels.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
It's gotta be true.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah. Well, no, he's an expert in stories, mythology and
the origin of certain things, and he did the thing
on the primal dragons and that they were always associated
with water, and since they were important, the hero always
defeats the person in charge of the dragon in charge
of the water, okay, and so after that the hero then,

(18:14):
you know, control of the water when you're in agriculture
is very, very important.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
It always goes back to agriculture. Does all the myths
kind of do like Noah's.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Arc because that was the first wealth, right, right?

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, the story of nose Arc is just about getting
rain to the right areas of the world at the
other day, right, it's like, we're not gonna I don't know,
It's always about flooding and stuff. There's always a world
flood myth.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
I was I was at the Creation Museum of Oh yeah,
you got to go weeks ago, and they had a
diorama of Noah's Ark and they had always like little
people drowning.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
It was really weird.

Speaker 9 (18:46):
Oh yeah, hey, kids, let's see if Yeah, yeah, kids
coming through looking at a Jeez, why genocide brought to
you by?

Speaker 1 (18:56):
You know, they did they have dragons they.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
You know what, enough they did talk about dragons at
one point. I don't remember, because you know, it was
a really tough museum because I had these big marble plaques.
I couldn't think of the word marble. You would think
of geologists for remember the name of rock when all
was writing on it, and it was it was just
a ton of reading. It was one of the and
I'm not saying this because I don't agree with the

(19:21):
content of the museum, but it was one of the
worst museums I ever saw because all you really did
there was read and there was nothing interact. I saw
so many board kids. It's just nothing for him to do,
you know. Yeah, yeah, it was really kind of kind
of kind of lame.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
But I'm surprised they didn't kick you out, to be honest,
Oh I was.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I was cosplaying a Christian.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
You were costplaying Christians?

Speaker 6 (19:42):
Oh yeah, Like if you came and talked like I
talked to several of the people who work.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
There, What is costplaying? Does that mean you're wearing a
cross necklace? Costplaying a Christian?

Speaker 6 (19:51):
It was just like you would have like, if you
had saw some of the interaction I had with some
of the employees, you would have thought I was a miss.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
That's just that's acting. That's not costplaying, Kelly.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, I still got a tie on. I'm looking like
a middle.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
Like all the Christians were ties.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Kelly, you've worn't ties? You're tiredy of knowing?

Speaker 7 (20:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I have? Yes, that's that's not right.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I have a picture of me in my twenties.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I guess you could. You could costly Mormon. You think
they let Mormons there? They probably do, right.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I'm sure they did.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, if they knew, Like I was afraid they
were gonna kick me out because I was taking like
a video of some of the books they sold there. Yeah,
and they had some real gender phobic books like that.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh really, why did God make me a boy?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Why did God make me a little girl?

Speaker 7 (20:31):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
God?

Speaker 6 (20:32):
So yeah, it was really weird, and so I was
kind of like doing some negative commentary on it, and
one of the bookstore kids employees came up and started
talking about I thought he was going to tell me
and I couldn't record, But then we ended up having
a really good conversation.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Okay, well, that's good. I'm glad you had a good
conversation there. I don't know, I would feel like I
would probably run my mouth at some point and I
would be caught. I guess what do you do though?
You can't be like, oh, you're an atheist, get out
of here? Yeah, right right, yeah right, it's not really
a thing.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Hey, get in, yeah, charge you a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I paid to get in. I'm going to stay. You know.
Then you get arrested and you have to go to
the court and all that. You have to go back
to the court. So if you're already paid too much
to get there, now you're going to have to get
back there to go to your court hearings.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
That's true. That sucks that they're having books about gender.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh my god, they're doing.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, that's really the lame. Speaking of lame, no, just kid,
not lame, because we do have some people who want
to talk to us. Now you're ready to talk to
some callers, I'm ready, all right, cool, before we get
to the calls, folks, you know, I always give a
shout out to our patron of the week. Every single week.
We're always giving a shout out to the folks who
donate on the Patreon. So I want to thank everybody
that donates to the patron. But this week's patient Patron

(21:44):
of the Week is going to be Paul Schneider. Thank
you so much, Paul, and thank you too. I thank
you everybody that donates. You guys are amazing. And we
also will be reading out of super chats once we
get them as well. Also, if you want to make
Kelly say something or John says something to me, say
something or one of our other hosts, we can definitely

(22:06):
do that. But let's get to our first call of
the night. We've got John from Canada wanting to talk
to us. John from Canada, you are alive, untruth wanted?
What's going on him?

Speaker 10 (22:16):
John?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Hey? John?

Speaker 10 (22:17):
Hire It's the same thing, okay. Well, for instance, in
a film, if they if they cast an actress simply
because he's black or Latino or gay, that takes the
way from the actual character.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Wait, what is them being black or let's you know,
gay take away from their character?

Speaker 10 (22:32):
Because if I get okay, let's say to hire the
wrong actor for the role because so because it's a
kin color.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Well, I know, I'm wondering if that would actually ever happen.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, when is that?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
There's there's money involved, and there's in production, and they
usually pick an actor based on how well they can
play the role and be immersed in the role that
they're getting. And I don't think you would as a
producer you would want or as studio for that matter,
where the studio executives would want you to hire somebody

(23:04):
that was playing a role that that they didn't fit in,
like that would be essentially losing your audience. So and
the other question I have for you, John, and by
the way, a good name. The other the other thing
I had was what do you define as woke? Because
it's kind of a morphous and an amorphous term. So

(23:28):
and so, what do you think about that.

Speaker 10 (23:30):
It's it's wolk is basically favoring one political group or
ethnic group over another just because of who.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
They are, Okay, kind of like how you're favoring white
people over other people playing roles, because that's what it
sounds like here, right.

Speaker 10 (23:45):
I agree with what your hos just said. You have
the petiato who's the best suited for the role, not
because of their skin color.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Ye, I don't know that that's happening though, that people
are picking the wrong Yeah, they're for the role. I mean, like,
like John mentioned, this is you know, this is about money.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
They're not going finances.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
Yeah yeah, they're not gonna They're not going to pick
an actor who doesn't fit the role or be act
in that role well to play that role, because it's
going to affect the bottom dollar of the movie.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Plus, like, unless it's like a historical fiction, Like, if
it's a historical fiction, you'd probably get somebody that at
least matches this skating tone, right, Like I don't want
white people playing like Harriet Tubman or whatever, right, Like
that's probably not a good idea. But anything else, it's fiction.
It's fiction, right, Who cares?

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Why?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Like John Wayne playing Genghis called John.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Wayne playing gangst Con? Yeah, not best.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I also wanted to push back on your definition of
woke because that's not the actual definition as it was
usually used.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Is you have the Oxford Dictionary.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know, I'm just aware that where it came from.
Woke was basically just that somebody is woke if they
are aware of the institutional prejudices that affect people in
the in minority or oppressed groups. So That's what it is.

(25:06):
And it has nothing to do with who's playing what
role or who's doing what to whom. It has everything
to do with recognizing a problem that needs to be
discussed and have not just have conversations about, but remedy
in some in some way, and finding remedies for real
problems in the world, not not political ones or other ones.

(25:28):
This is these are real problems. So it has an
awful lot to do with empathy and compassion. It doesn't
have anything to do with whatever, who's believing what to who,
and who's doing what to who, other than if you're
doing something that is oppressing another group of people, then
you have to be aware of it so that we
can deal with it. Yeah, when there's a problem, if
you don't, if you aren't aware of it, if you're

(25:48):
not woke, so to speak, to use the term, then
you can't address it and you cannot solve that problem
without sticking a few brains at it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I agree. What do you think on Yeah? John
from Canada back to you, what do you think?

Speaker 10 (26:00):
Okay? I want to make something perfectly queer here. Okay,
No one should have to have assistance from anyone to
get ahead in life.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I don't think that's true at all.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
But okay, I don't see.

Speaker 10 (26:10):
I don't see. I don't see. I don't see people
put the programs to white people. I don't say, what
did you give it to black people? Or what else?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I get a special program.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
I'm sixty five and I've get Social Security program.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, well no, you paid, But but.

Speaker 10 (26:25):
You basically insulting they by saying that you can't make
it on your own assistance for the white person.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
That's no, there's so much wrong with that stage.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I don't think that that's true at all.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
That's that's really not true. It's not what's happening, John.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
We have a concept called that. First of all, it's
not like, oh, you're if somebody's black, that's like, oh
well we got to you get automatically signed up for
these amazing benefit programs or anything like. That's that's not
how that works, right, first of all. But also like
there there is a concept that we have called reparations,
which is this idea that, hey, there are certain groups, John,

(27:02):
let me finish, there are certain groups of people who
have historically have been disenfranchised and have have disadvantages when
it comes to working with other people in competitive environments
such as school or the workplace, right, and those past
injustices still affect families today, right for a variety of reasons,

(27:22):
and in order to you know, address that, reparations as
you're referring to, is one of the ways that that
gets redressed. Doesn't have its criticism. Sure, but this idea
that like, oh, everybody's equal and we've always been equal
and nobody has any problems, that's just a fantasy. That's
just not true. Right. The data doesn't show that.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Also, you know, you have to understand that the opposite
of being discriminated against its privilege great. And so you know,
when you're talking from a point of privilege about things
that you are not experiencing yourself, you are lacking not
both the emotional education on it, but you're also lacking
the intellectual right honesty.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Seriously, on a black person getting a role that you
wanted for a white person, how does that affect you,
like in any meaningful way? Really?

Speaker 10 (28:08):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (28:08):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (28:09):
One of the questions A reparations is another word for
socialism and b I am a huge Superman fan, but
Superman is has only traditionally been drawn a portrayed as white.
I saw portrayed as a black person. It would be betrayed.
John supposed to look.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Like Superman's an alien. You understand that, right, he's not
even human? Like, what do you mean he's always been
a white person.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
He's not white.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
He's a crypt krypton guy.

Speaker 10 (28:37):
No, he's not not he's gonna he's a white guy.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
His ancestries not from Europe, his ancestrises from space. What
are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
And you know, let's not discount somebody like black ass.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Is portrayed like, I don't care, Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
Matter.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
So the point of Superman, first of all, is that
he's supposed to represent the American immigrant experience. Okay, so
that's a little something for it. That's not modern tellings
of it, by the way. That's like from the origins
of Superman and what he represents. But besides that point,
why does it matter? Why does it matter that he's
not whites? Who cares?

Speaker 10 (29:16):
Because that's not how the producers are the clearest one
of them.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
But that's clearly no, clearly the producers did want him
that way. He did, That's why they made the movie
like that. I don't know what you mean.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
And I don't think you can infer from that, John
that anything you're inferring you can.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I'm trying to put this.

Speaker 10 (29:35):
That that you have to be painful to it. You
can't betray it for for wokeness. Anyway, back to repations,
the list the poor, which is which is wrong?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I'm trying to figure out the morally why that is wrong.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out the Superman
is white so bad?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, I don't listen. I don't think we're portraying the
First of all, the author is dead. I don't know
if it matters what their thoughts are on it. But
even let's say that they wanted they wanted Superman to
be a white supremacist, Like I don't want Superman to
be a white supremacist, So maybe we should change that.
Like sometimes ideas about things change and interpretations change over time,

(30:17):
and maybe that's a good thing. And maybe we shouldn't
always be looking towards the past and thinking it's it's
the best thing ever. And maybe it's good that other
people besides white people can see themselves in Superman, because
anybody can be Superman. Maybe that's a better idea than
just keeping Superman white for the next like five hundred years.
I don't know, John, what do you think, dah.

Speaker 10 (30:36):
Just ascribe what about europe a character there?

Speaker 7 (30:39):
Four?

Speaker 10 (30:40):
It makes no difference what the skin color is. So
why do you have really need to change the skin
color in the first place?

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well, really, it matters to you. You're the one complaining here, John,
not me. I didn't start this.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
But I'm wondering, John, when did when did Superman's skin
color change? Maybe I'm just out of datous.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
There's a new movie that came out. I don't but
I haven't seen it. I don't even know who the
actor is. I just know people have been talking about it.
That's that's because my brain is rotten now because of
the Internet, and I know about all these dumb conversations.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, and your attention span.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Right exactly. I have even seen the movie. John, Do
you even like Superman? Did you? Did you give a
ship at all about Superman beforehand? Before this?

Speaker 7 (31:21):
Then?

Speaker 10 (31:22):
Dan, Dan, I'm going to tell you this. You are
talking to one of the biggest Superman fans in the world.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Okay, Moe, cool cool, I have could I'll take your
word for it.

Speaker 10 (31:32):
I'm not gonna Superman.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm not going to test your your your faithfulness towards
your love of Superman. What I am going to question
is why can't Superman just be black, or be Mexican
or be whatever? Why? Like again, I'm you're still not convincing.

Speaker 10 (31:46):
I only I only used him as an example, But
the point is you have to be faithful. Example. But
another example is is that they want to pick up
bang the works of Shakespeare because he's a white guy.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I need specifics on that. Yeah, who exactly is trying
to ban.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Shakespeare for being a white guy.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Being a white guy. I've heard of it being banned
for sexual reasons.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
But wokeness who who woke?

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Is not a person where incorporated? What woke does not
have an agency? My friend, you need to and uh,
you know, you need to tell us who is doing
it or what organization.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Is it big woke, big woke, big.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Woke or or can we you know, can we?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
This sounds like something It sounds like something you read
off Facebook and you did in fact check. Am I wrong?

Speaker 9 (32:37):
I'm telling you you're saying it's happening, but you you
haven't actually answered any reason or or questions as that
we asked as to why or how like?

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Who is doing it?

Speaker 10 (32:46):
A movement?

Speaker 1 (32:47):
A movement? Oh yeah, wow, a movement. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well, I don't think I can say what I'm thinking
right now, But all right.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
John, I'm against any movement that wants to band Shakespeare.
Does that make you happy?

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I'm still woke though by most people's standards, so I
don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
I'm against any movement that would take away women's rights.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 10 (33:08):
Well, well, speak of the New super Band movie. It's
a completely trayal of the character because he's not pustrayed
as all powerful he's supposed to be, don't They don't
say the classical line? Really, wos justice in the American way?
To say?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Truth?

Speaker 10 (33:21):
Justice in dash away? It's supposed to be an American
all right, you're going to have a woman in that feel?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
All right?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, I'm not to be mean, but you're gonna have
to take that up with somebody who gives a ship
because I don't actually care, okay about the New Superman
movie and what they're doing with it. Maybe maybe they're
not doing as good of a job with it. I
don't know. I don't have a dog in that fight.
What I do care about is if you care about
like whether black people or Mexican people or other people
are taking away acting jobs from white people, because that

(33:47):
is a that's a that's a malicious belief right there.
Because you know why, John, You're gonna start to see
other minorities in your life that way too, right, not
just the people that you see on the street.

Speaker 10 (33:58):
Guys. I want you to know, I am a black person, Okay,
I want to know that.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, that doesn't mean that you can't be have prejudices
against other people, like you know, if you start see
that at.

Speaker 10 (34:10):
All, well, I believe that people should be I believe
that people should be treated equally without any preference. That's why.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
But you're coming from a privileged which but you're also
you're talking about like you're already complaining about people taking
away these acting jobs though, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
You're already pre judging and you're already pre judging a
movement that we haven't early defined yet or heard of.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Where I'm going to what.

Speaker 10 (34:35):
I'm going to start to you what wolk is It
means that an I'm rried person when you apply for
a job, any job, acting whatever, the armay get the
privilege because of the skin color.

Speaker 6 (34:45):
I think they're thinking of de ja. Yeah, that's that's
that's something that's not woke.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
That's thee I. That's something completely different and it's not quite.

Speaker 10 (34:52):
Well, well then I'm against that too.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Okay, Well, I'm just saying that that's that's not the same.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Give you a definition that's actually commonly used for woke
and it's not that. So yeah, were you even listening
to me? Or am I just you know, beating my
gums here for no reason?

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah? I don't know. You just think about Superman. Probably John.
We gotta we gotta get going because we have new
hosts that we have to switch into our spot here.
But I don't know, man. What I would say is
like I would change this mindset that you have, because
you know, I think this is a really bad mindset.
I think it's gonna make you start seeing people in
malicious ways, and any kind of minority person that you

(35:31):
see in roles that you don't think are deserved, you're
going to think they're given because of their status as
a minority. And like that's a slippery slope, my friend,
that leads to a lot of hateful of views. I'm
not saying anything about you. I don't know you, John,
but I do know people who have hateful views, and
it starts from that kind of thinking. So I would
just caution you by taking that route. But I gotta
do it. I gotta let you go. Thank you for

(35:51):
calling to the show, hopeing you a great good week
talk and folks, I'm going to bid you a dud
because we're gonna switch out hosts here now. So Kelly
and John, thanks so much for having me, thanks for
having us.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Thanks for thanks for doing the show with me on it,
and well, of course for the first time ever.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
That's right, all right, you got a John to John conversation.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I know it's like John squared.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, I like that. All right, Well, boys get on
out of here. And while we are waiting for them
to make their switch, I want to give a oh yeah, good,
big collaps for these guys. Excellent job for them. I
want to give a special thanks to everybody once again
that's donated on the Patreon. I also want to give
a thanks to everybody that's going to come out to
the back Cruise tomorrow. I did get work we do

(36:38):
have tickets, So if you still want to come and
hang out with me, hang out with Forrest Valke, hang
out with j Mike Secularity, a bunch of other folks,
you can go and do that. It's a tiny dot
CC slash back cruise to get your tickets and you
should do that as soon as possible. And also I
want to thank the wonderful, amazing crew that have been
putting this show together. And we have some work in

(37:01):
Rebtee and some live at the studio. So thanks to
everybody that has been able to hang out with us.
And we cut int your time a little bit, folks,
but I'm so glad you guys are here. Please welcome
Helen and Eli joining me in the studio. Big ground
of applause for these guys. Hey, what's going on, guys?

Speaker 11 (37:21):
Interesting conversation you guys had them.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, that's one work that could be used to describe that.
What do you think of that? Eli?

Speaker 5 (37:29):
You know, I heard somebody in the audience say, like,
it's kind of like the little Mermaid, Like half of
them is a fish?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Right?

Speaker 11 (37:36):
Why does it matter?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Like?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Right? Right? White people are just used to seeing another
white and they really don't like it when they be like,
I don't know something's being taken away from it. It's
not like you can't watch the Old Superman or the
Little Mermaids.

Speaker 12 (37:51):
I'm just very confused. Like maybe maybe I just don't
have the right brain. Yeah, but like why do you care?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
I don't don't.

Speaker 8 (38:00):
We have bigger things to worry about.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
Maybe that's just being.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
John says he's black as well, which I understand. Like
non white people also like kind of have this this take,
but it's still a bad take, Like this idea that like, oh,
somebody is going to be taking away opportunities because like, well,
where are they supposed to go then, like if they
can't get a job anywhere, if they're I don't know.
It's just it's just a silly line of thinking.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
Yeah, it makes me brain hurt.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, So you guys also had a bit of a
travel to get over here. You also came rote.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Down with killing wrote downy person.

Speaker 11 (38:37):
Was that that was a time?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
I woke up at eleven am yesterday, okay, And because
of the way things went with because there's another nonprofit
riding with us as well, and because the way things went,
we didn't leave until ten pm. So we just drove
through the night all night to get to Austin this
morning and slept a couple hours and.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Here we are.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Why.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
I have to ask why because it's winchcraft involves bats
and getting into that, all right, So it's going to
be next next year to be a week that's like being.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
In her car right with Kelly that long. Uh, it's
got to be a marathon in and of itself.

Speaker 11 (39:13):
Well, the good news is that on the way back,
I'll have the witch.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Right give it to obviously. The story about Kelly, Oh,
you do have open lines, by the way, so if
anybody else wants to call in, you should do. That
number is on the screen for that else. You can
call in online and we'd be happy to talk with you.
But Kelly came in here and he like kept handing
everybody a piece of bone and like he doesn't even
know what bone it is, Like he said, it looks

(39:36):
like a vertebrate. I think he says it's verteb but
we don't know, like from what animal. He's like, here,
you want to hold my bone? He's just giving it
to everybody, Like, you know.

Speaker 12 (39:42):
You have to be very careful of who you say
that to him.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
But that's such like a geology, geology sort of person
thing to do, because I've known other geology people in
my life and they will also be like, here, want
to see this cool rock, and you put it in
your hand.

Speaker 11 (39:58):
You know, you don't have any choice.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
But but as far as I know, Kelly could have
found that like out behind the building, like I don't
know if you washed it or what.

Speaker 11 (40:06):
You don't will find cool rocks and stuff.

Speaker 12 (40:09):
And I own several of Kelly's rocks, and I'm warning
one of his rings right now.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
So I have a rock from Kelly too. Yes, I
should check if there's like a camera on that thing
or something, or a microphone, I don't know, don't care
about it, a.

Speaker 11 (40:19):
Listening device in the rock. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
He's got no use for that. He just really likes rocks.
He wants to spread the joy. That's sort of his gospel. Yeah,
I think the gospel rocks, rocks he spread in his
love for that, that kind of stuff. But how are
you You came from quite a distance as well.

Speaker 12 (40:34):
Yeah, So I've been at Ben's house since Monday, right
right then we drove today. We let that seven o'clock
this morning when you go get the rental car and
drove straight all day pretty much willly did three stops.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Okay, okay from mel Paso, just wild wild you got.
I'm so glad. I live in Austin and I don't
have to go any I just have to drive north
to this to get here to the studio, which is great,
you know, and I'm very satisfied. But wow, that must
have been a trip. What's it like riding with Ben?

Speaker 12 (41:05):
He is a very good driver, okay, and he is
very generous with you picking songs on the radio, so
he was good. He was a good driver. And if
you ask to go to the bathroom and tell him,
he will stop for you.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Oh okay, great. I like it respects respect people's bathroom
stops and as playlist picks. So that's good.

Speaker 8 (41:28):
Good.

Speaker 12 (41:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
I think trip the driver I think should be the
least involved in playlisting.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Really, because I always grew up with the idea that
driver gets to pick, you know, because they're the ones
doing the work.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Yeah, I mean I participated. I say, hey, toss this
one on there, but you know, yeah we did.

Speaker 12 (41:41):
We did rotation, so everybody we went around, you know,
with me and so this way we eat.

Speaker 7 (41:46):
You got to pick song?

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Okay, nice? Yeah, well that's good. Wait what kind of
stuff are you listening to?

Speaker 7 (41:50):
We love.

Speaker 12 (41:51):
We would listen to everything from like uh, buying Tyler
to the Book of Mormons.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Oh slip knot nuch.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, I saw a Book of Mormon a few weeks ago.

Speaker 12 (42:03):
Was the most amazing thing ever.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
We were talking about d I just now that is
a cast that needs all white people because it is funnier.
But it's like when it's all just white Mormon guys,
you know what I mean, like tap dancing and stuff.
That's a good guy. So they go to Africa. They
do go to Africa, and that's a whole thing. Yeah,
there are some wild jokes in there that that show

(42:26):
could not have been written I think in twenty twenty five.
I think it was written like twenty twelve. It's amazing
how much the culture has even changed since then. You know.

Speaker 12 (42:34):
Yeah, I saw it with the touring cast back in
twenty eighteen and it was insane.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
And one of my.

Speaker 12 (42:41):
Really good friends who's a music teacher, introduced me to
that musical and my life has been changed.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, it's a really good one. Well, folks, we do
have an audience today and they are live in the
studio and some of them wanted to ask some questions,
and I think we have an audience camera that we
can switch to in just a second. There we go.
Who's this handsome fellow? Hey, what's up? Hey?

Speaker 13 (43:04):
I'm a longtime, first time a big fan of the show,
never called in before, I've never been here, but super
happy to be here, you know, just looking around this
awesome room, there's there's all these people that have had,
you know, a lot of conversations with people that frankly,

(43:25):
they just don't.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Want the truth, right, right, that's true.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
It feels like there's a lot of people out.

Speaker 13 (43:31):
There today that really don't want to know what the
actual science and data is. So how do we all
kind of help with that?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
That's a good question. I have a lot of thoughts
about that. I don't know. First thing I would say
is you should evaluate is that truth worth it?

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Like?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Are you at your friend's grandma's funeral and they're saying, oh,
my grandma's in heaven right now, and are you going
to be that guy that's gonna be like, actually, yeah,
it probably you know, like that's probably not. You know,
you got to pick your battles with this sometimes. But
I think there's a lot of worthy causes to kind
of pursue stuff with people. I don't know, what do
you guys think? What's your first thoughts? Go ahead?

Speaker 12 (44:12):
I mean I think you just beat it into them mentally. Yeah,
that's essentially essentially that's how you do it, okay. Or
I think that just from having so many different types
of conversations, you have to meet people where they're at.
But also they got to their belief somehow, and if
you ready cull them, you're not going to make a change.

(44:36):
You get made fun of the idea. I think making
fun like if you think they're this flat, I am
so sorry that most of Hilary shit ever. But on
the flip side of that, but I don't want to
attack the person. And I think that not knowing that
all the personalities in your prefrontal cortex is actame place
that holds your your belief system. So it's attached to identity,
and we have to understand that this is not just

(44:57):
a belief, this is a part of who the person is.

Speaker 8 (44:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
That's an interesting perspective because I think too like like
you're right, Like, you know, my standards of truth are
going to be different because of who I am in
my own experience and stuff. Right, Like, if you're trying
to say, oh, here's some facts, boom boom. But if
it's from institutions that people don't care about, Like what
if somebody doesn't use science as a way to know
true things. There's a lot of people that don't feel
that way. Well, why do you care if they if

(45:20):
you bring up science, right, you got to understand where
people's how people get to the true things? That comes? Right?
What about you? What do you think?

Speaker 5 (45:27):
But I think that beyond just not attacking people, because
there's there's things that are very clear attacks. But then
like just being told that's not true or you have
that wrong, Like so that's that's an attack for someone.
It's it's a little bit of an ego hit to
realize that you got something wrong.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
That's a good point. People do not like being wrong nobody.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
They have to inception them a little bit and make
them think they're realizing they're wrong on there.

Speaker 11 (45:47):
I don't know how to do it.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
I think some of the best moments of our show
is when a host has been like totally wrong about
something and then like they come back at a later
time and be like, hey, actually I was wrong about this,
because that takes a lot of humility. But all so
we're what we do live shows. It's really crazy because
it's like you don't want to you don't look bad
right in front of the internet. What if your mom's watching?
You know? But also like its just in real life.

(46:10):
People don't like you know, it's it's a hard thing
to admit.

Speaker 12 (46:12):
Yeah, well, even even stuff you do know about, there
might be new information that was presented that you don't
know about yet, right, so you can say, like, I
know about this, but if there is new information or correction,
please let me know.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
So that's that's another thing because you have to evaluate
people's confidence level. Sometimes people just say stuff just to
say stuff, and they may not be fully invested. And
if you're treating it like it's one hundred percent, then
you kind of look.

Speaker 11 (46:34):
Like them, yeah right, taking it too seriously.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Right exactly, Like I know a lot of people that
will talk to me about conspiracy theories, and I feel like,
because they know we kind of do the stuff that
we do here, they just want to like gauge me
to see where I'm at. But sometimes they're just thrown
out ideas, you know, So that's something to consider. Yeah,
I agree, Yeah, I.

Speaker 12 (46:51):
Think I think people are they they're if they're working
through thought experiments and they've been thinking about it the
more and they want to get feedback for someone that.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
May not have the same So that's a great point.

Speaker 8 (47:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (47:02):
And it's like, but if they're serious, like well, you know,
I want I'm thinking about joining this religion, you know,
and you start asking questions that you have to gauge,
or if they're just saying, like, you know, maybe I'll
become a Mormon, and then you have to it's like,
are you seriously what are becoming a Mormon?

Speaker 1 (47:15):
What a great thought because you, as a skeptical person
can be a safe space for somebody to explore ideas
and maybe and and and when people are bringing up
their own reasons for believing, sometimes they're just throwing out
what they got or stuff that they've heard just to
see if it sticks. Like again, it's back to that confidence.
They may not have full confidence in these ideas, they

(47:37):
just want to they just want to evaluate that. I know,
for me, when I was having conversations with folks that
that really mattered, that I could talk to somebody about
it with a skeptical perspective and really hear what they
had to say. But you know, you have to involve
that back and forth, even if you think they're absolutely wrong,
because they're human beings. They don't just get to like,
you know, you don't just put data into their brain
and it's just like, oh, I believe this. It's just

(47:58):
it's not how people work most yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Yeah, And I was saying, just like, you just made
a point that reminded me of something saying like that,
I don't care, oh yeah, is that I like to
share my perspective and share like what I think because
I know that I'm wrong sometimes if I just keep thinking,
like if I go on thinking to myself like, yeah,
I'm right about that and never share it with anyone else,
for the chance to be told that I'm wrong, yeah,
I'll never know, and then I'll just keep being wrong.

Speaker 11 (48:20):
And that's the bad part. Being the wrong is the
bad part. I don't want to do that, So tell
me that I am so that I won't be next time.
And now I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Right for us, at least we value not being wrong,
that's nothing I consider. Maybe people just don't care. Some
people just genuinely don't. They just want to be trolled.

Speaker 12 (48:34):
Well, one of my friends said, you know, be excited
about being wrong, because that means you just learned something new.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Now. Yeah, and you can have a big brain.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, that's like an ex KCD comic or something, right.
I think that's true. Well, that's a great question. Thank you,
strange audience member who I have no prior affiliation with soever.
Who was that mysterious handsome.

Speaker 11 (48:55):
When we get him out?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Actually we'll never know. We'll never know, But maybe we
can take another audience question. If the crew is ready
for that. I think they are that They just they
got into the ready position as soon as I said that,
which is great good feedback their part. That's crew, we
really do and they made a put a lot of
effort into making the show run as smoothly as it's

(49:17):
gone so far. So shout out.

Speaker 11 (49:18):
It's a whole different beast today, it is.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Can you believe we used to do this every Sunday regularly,
crazy all of time that got put into this stuff.
But I think we have an audience member ready just now.
If we can get that camera going on the audience
in just a second, and we will as soon as Hey,
it happens.

Speaker 14 (49:36):
Hello, random audience member, Hey, Truth wanted hello, see you
here today. I had a question for you. So John
from Canada just calling. He's he's a success story of sorts.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (49:48):
What are some good fail or failure stories that you
have about trying to talk to somebody who's religious? You
know what, what's your big epic fails?

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I like this question. I don't know if anyone asked
me about epic fails before. What about you guys? You guys, oh.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
Dan, You've done this so many like you have so
many more files to choose from.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, but I'm successful every time.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I have no.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
Spotless.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It's absolutely spotless. I've definitely had things I wish I
could handle differently. There was okay, so here's the one
time I think about sometimes. There was a Talk Heathen
episode and it was me and Johnny p Angel and
a guy was calling in and he was saying we
should preemptively arrest gay people because they're all sexual predators

(50:33):
and so we should might as well just round them
up and do that. And I was so mad at that.
I was just like I didn't want to have this conversation, right,
because like it's it's very dehumanizing, right, and like I
felt like at the time, even just talking about it
sort of validates it in some sort of way, like
this is a serious talking point. But really I kind

(50:54):
of regret that. I kind of wish I did talk
to him, because even if I could make a fool
out of it, that's that's I think a good thing.
But also, you know, maybe he was just trullling and
maybe it wasn't real. But if there are people who
seriously have these thoughts, and again, we were just talking
about this and they don't have safe outlets to talk
about that with, then they never get to fully deconstruct that.
Yeah right. And so I'd rather assist with somebody in

(51:17):
deconstructing that than just say, hey, this is a topic,
we can't explore it all, because then they never deconstructed
Yeah right. But yeah, that's probably one of the biggest
regrets I have. What about you, guys, any regrets from
talking to people?

Speaker 5 (51:31):
No, I don't have one like that necessarily just kind
of an example of one just not going well. It
was it was like an online like comments debate, not
like on a show, but like just you know, they'll
they'll accuse you of the fallacies they're committing. So like
he says, oh, that's a straw man, and like I
hadn't made something up, but it wasn't like you know,
you're wrong because of this thing that I made up

(51:51):
and you know you're just talking on Facebook conor right right, right,
And so they'll say like, oh, and it's when you
realize you're at a point. And it happens a lot
more in text conversations and verbal got a point where
like this isn't we're not having no matter what I
say next, the thing that they're going to reply with
is not like they've already decided.

Speaker 11 (52:07):
The thing they're going to reply with is not based
on what I'm about to say.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
So and you know, I get I'm guilty of like
letting myself go deep, to go too deep into those sometimes. Yeah,
but I've got I've done better recently of like to
like this one's not gonna.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Get it right, Okay. Yeah, that that's a good skill
to have when realizing, oh I should just tap out
of this. I've I'm not even on Twitter anymore, but
even on the times I was I've maybe got into
three fights on there, I don't know, and every time
it was always bad. I never walked away from them
feeling good. I was like, oh, this is why this

(52:42):
platform is known for being like the argument platform. So
I almost don't even want to try.

Speaker 12 (52:47):
I one time on Twitter, this was my one and
only time interacting with anybody, because it went badly. I
was for universal healthcare, okay, and the person that I
was talking to called me the thing you call people
that really really really like the people that did bad

(53:08):
things in.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Germany in the nineteen forties. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (53:11):
Yeah, I was like, those are not the same thing. Yeah,
so that's the bad ways.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
So yeah, any any regrets you have from conversations or
just you know.

Speaker 12 (53:21):
I think I think, like like I do. I haven't
done on in a few weeks, but I do the
ACA has, we do, we have TikTok and I do
debates and like promote the shows on ticnok on Tuesdays,
and also Ridgard Delafare will do it, He'll pop on.
And I was talking to someone and I got I

(53:42):
was like I was nudging him just a little bit.
And then when we got to the age of the Earth.
I went to the wiki page and I go, there's
two hundred and thirteen sources right here on the age
of the Earth. You have a Bible who's more correct?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Possibly, well the Bible?

Speaker 12 (53:58):
Well, well, because you know, and you know what happened.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Why all those sources exist because they strayed away from
God demons? Right, That was his answer. Okay, why wasn't
that far off? Yes?

Speaker 12 (54:10):
And I just was like, I wanted to think of
a follow up question, but I think my brain just
kind of short circuited, and I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
What where do I go from here?

Speaker 15 (54:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, we already talked about
this in a way, but you know, people are going
to be trolls, you know, and it's not going to
be worth your time. I think, I think you have
to genuinely analyze whether people are talking to you in
good faith.

Speaker 15 (54:32):
He was.

Speaker 12 (54:33):
He was one hundred percent series, really, yes, one hundred
and twenty percent series.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Okay, well all right, what Yeah?

Speaker 12 (54:42):
I kind of wish it was a troll that I
would feel like, Okay, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, at that point, I would just kind of
evaluate what, Okay, well, what's a demon and what's not
How do we know where demons are? I wish I
had evens in the room with this right now, you
know that kind of thing.

Speaker 12 (54:58):
Yes, sense which as the atheist, and yeah, I gave
you threat.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Well, maybe we could take some more audience questions in
a second, because we do have open lines at the moment,
and we'll you know, I want to give you guys
a couple more minutes because you kind of came in
a little bit after a time trying to do thirty minutes.
It's gonna round up.

Speaker 11 (55:19):
You know, someone's gonna miss miss out on some minutes.
You know it'll be up, We'll be.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Yeah, someone's gonna miss out.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Someone's gonna miss ound some minutes. But you know, we
can still sort of prevent that if we can. Maybe
if there's more audience questions, we can get to that.
Other than that, I am just chilling.

Speaker 8 (55:35):
I know.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
We also have some other stuff we can react to
as well. We do have some screenshots of some previous
comments and stuff. If crew has that ready, you know,
maybe we could put some of that on the screen
and react to some of that. Besides that, you don't
have any super chants in at the moment either. So
you know we're just chilling on a Friday night.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Well, you know, I'll say this because last week, last Friday,
we talked to Adrian about a prophecy in the Wible,
and I learned I paid a little bit more attention
to Adrian if you're watching after that call, and I
was wrong about the reason you were wrong.

Speaker 11 (56:06):
Okay, you were wrong, but I was wrong about why.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
So if I'll just take a minute to get in there, okay, yeah,
So the idea here was that Zechariah ten twelve describes
this prophecy, and then John twenty twenty seven and nineteen
thirty four described that prophecy fulfilled. What I had said
was like, oh, no, this is describing being pierced in
a battle. I was wrong about that. I don't think
that's true. But what it is describing is an end
times prophecy. At the Battle of armagadon of Armageddon, and

(56:32):
they said.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Like Arma gadon En, that sounds awesome.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
That'll be a band.

Speaker 11 (56:38):
That would be a good time. I think. So at
the Battle of Armagaden, they.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
You know what when when what's at the end of
the world for alligators is Armagator armigator.

Speaker 11 (56:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Anyway, Also, if.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
You give the Second Amendment to alligators, you can also army.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I love the pa bro Eli with the jokes.

Speaker 11 (56:59):
Love this is where we are.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 11 (57:02):
So but so what if.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
The news strongest concordance is suggesting that the Gospel of
John is describing the prophecy in the Book of Zachariah
being fulfilled. They are describing an end times prophecy at
the moment that Jesus.

Speaker 11 (57:16):
Was crucified before the Gospels were ever written.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
And I'm pretty sure there are still some times, so
I don't think they've ended that.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
The prophecy stuff always annoys me because you have to
get into the real nitty gritty about what these words mean.
And even then it's always it's never like like you said,
Isaiah and Daniel, they're talking about like end of the
world scenarios or end of civilization like scenarios they just
like didn't happen, they weren't fulfilled.

Speaker 12 (57:40):
Yeah, well, and and hasn't Jesus supposed to be coming back?
Like since you know, you supposedly mountains, when is that
happening any day now?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Any any day now? I'm still I was just talking
with an audience member before this. I'm still waiting for
Jesus to call into show, because then we can just pack.

Speaker 11 (57:59):
It up and go, yeah, we'd be done.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah. I don't know. Well, folks, I think we are
about at the time where we want to get to
switch in. I think I think that's so thank you.
Let's give a route of applause thanks for Eli and
Helen so that we can get to our next hosts
here and see who else is on the docket. And
as we are switching these guys out, I'm going to

(58:22):
keep talking and entertaining you because that's what I'm here
to do. So I want to thank, of course again,
crew and audience for being here today and.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
For talking with us.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
It has been my pleasure to host Truth Wanted God.
I think it's been seven years now since we first
got this thing started, and it started right here in
the studio as well. Actually it started out with just
me taking calls as kind of a test round, which
that was a bad idea, and eventually, you know, we
started to do the rotating guests hosts every single week.
And I've always loved that we've committed to that idea

(58:55):
because one of my favorite things about this show is
getting to hear other people's perspect actives on things, including
the lovely hosts that are joining me right now. We've
got hey, two balded beard guys. Can you imagine that too?

Speaker 7 (59:09):
And we've made the sartorial error of wearing the same shirt.
One of us is going to have to change.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
That was the choice, gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
That is a real bit the super chat challenge. Enough
super chats and one of us will change shirts.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
Now, well, there was that one time in the in
the before the show when I it was putting this
shirt on for the first time in the studio, I
was nipples out on camera. Yeah, but it wasn't for
the public consumption.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Right that.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
You know what they're always saying about the atheist communities,
that we don't have enough viewpoints from bald like I'm
always hearing. But anyway, gentlemen, welcome to the show. Introduce
yourselves please? Who are you well?

Speaker 7 (59:49):
I am Jamie also known as the Blindlamy and speaking
of the in studio show thing, the of course start
my story with Dan was that basically I was I
was a caller guy. Why aren't you here in if
you're leaving Austin want here in the studio, and I'm like,
that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, so made that happen real quick.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
But now I feel a little bit guilty that all
these people have flown from all over the country and
I live like four blocks Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Just here where it's like, yeah, I'm just vibing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Yeah, and I with the Austin crew, right you as well?
Ben Yeah, my name is Benjamin Clodfelter. I've been part
of the ACA for a little over a year and
a half now, helping with community development, fundraising, just about anything,
trying to get stuff organized in together, and every once
in a while I get to be on these shows
with such amazing titans of debate and philosophy and atheism.

(01:00:37):
So really appreciate you guys having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Well, I appreciate having you on the show. And we
have another call to get to you guys, want to
get to a call? Absolutely all right, let's get into it.
We have Lucy calling in from Texas. Lucy, you are
live on Truth Wanted. Welcome to the broadcast.

Speaker 16 (01:00:54):
Thanks so much for having me, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
How you doing doing fantastic love getting some calls in
tonight and so what do you got for us?

Speaker 16 (01:01:01):
Well, I want to talk about the intersectionality between Catholicism,
rural Newfoundland and ghosts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I want to talk with ghosts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
That is the first time I've heard that sentence uttered
by human being, and I'm all for it. So tell
me about that intersection because I have no idea where
you're going with this.

Speaker 15 (01:01:19):
Killer, So I have your attention, then, fantastic love it. Yes,
So I just got back from a trip with my
family up to Bell Island, Newfoundland, which is one of
the most actually the most haunted island.

Speaker 16 (01:01:33):
In North America. It's had fixed documentaries made about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
So Lucien before, I'm sorry to interrupt you so early
into how do they measure that? Is it just like
how many stories or do they have like a meter?

Speaker 16 (01:01:48):
So I feel like that's going to be part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Okay, okay, coy is for sure. All right, I'll let
you get to it. But I do think, oh no.

Speaker 10 (01:01:54):
That's okay.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:01:56):
So they have psychics come in and tell them.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
They feel something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
That's what it is.

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
They feel a presence.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
So it's kind of like in science, you know, you
get a consensus amongst your peers, like that time. We
know climate change is real because of all the climate scientists.
If you get a consensus amongst psychics, it's kind of like, yeah,
this is the most haunted place somewhere.

Speaker 8 (01:02:15):
Could do that, that'd be actually be very impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
That's a reality show that hasn't that needs to happen.
I feel like.

Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
People with like extra sentenceory perception and if I have
a consensus before they even got there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Right right, anyway, all right, anyway, Lucy, go ahead, please
good point.

Speaker 16 (01:02:33):
Yes, so I think that. And then they also have,
of course, the ghost hunting crews, right with the people
who come out with all of their EKG leaders. No
that's not what they're called, amp I don't. I don't
know what they're called anyway, all of this stuff that
they come out with to determine like is this haunted?
And I think there was also like a vote. I'm

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pretty sure all is like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Right, oh, you gotta have a boat, particular a fan boat,
I think as well. Right that that that's when you
know you're part of a legit GHOS hunting group. You
have a fan like you know what, those the ones
that use traveling the swamps and stuff. I know, I'm
just bitballing here, anyway, go ahead, totally.

Speaker 16 (01:03:13):
Yeah, And then all of Newfoundland was like, well, we
don't want to be the.

Speaker 10 (01:03:16):
Boot Hanton place, like, let's just.

Speaker 7 (01:03:18):
Make that Bell Island.

Speaker 16 (01:03:19):
Well, admittedly, well I wanted that. What I wanted to
ask y'all's opinion about is like to the deeply catholic,
deeply rural, right, they're close to the capital, but you
can only get to the island by ferry. They have
five hats between eighteen ninety five and nineteen sixty six,
five mines that we're in operation there, and one hundred

(01:03:40):
and six people died in those minds, Okay, And I
do think that that's part of the haunted, right, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Think so it'd be weird if it was it right, like,
oh yeah, we have a bunch of ghosts here, unrelated
to the one hundred and sixth mining deaths that occurred.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
I always say, you're pondering, like in terms of like
most haunted are we talk talking about like the substantiveness
of the hunting, Like it's really.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Hard, dude. The miners put on a show for you,
Like is it is it sort of is there an
entertainment element or is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
The most haunted, like statistically the number of individual ghosts
that are doing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Now you're onto something here, Yeah, how do we measure?
It's kind of like you know, you read reviews for
like the latest movies and stuff like, Yeah, I have
a psychic I went to Newfoundland and it was okay,
I give it a four out of five wells of haunted. Yeahs,
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
Today, although it's one of the things that I notice
about places like that, places that I have seen is
like supernatural. We got a shitload of them in England,
like because it's old and we go a bunch of
old ship just lying about. Yeah, like castles older than countries,

(01:04:49):
and I think it is sort of I mean and
not to sort of pour water on the on the
wonderful thing that what if goess to real I'm very
skeptical of their reality. But when you do into like
a cemetery or something, because the we're sort of culturally
coached to see old buildings and cemeteries and places like
that as spooky as haunted you it's a psychosomatic thing

(01:05:12):
and just you get you spook yourself out. And also
when we're talking about death and like the passing is
usually connected with either tragedy or just just lost sadness. See,
you don't want to be like spinning propeller hat flipping
vuvuzela in a cemetery or a spooky haunted house.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
First of all, don't judge me.

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
What if I do?

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
That sounds like an amazing time. What are you talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:05:40):
Just walking into the middle of like the al Ki
Kahara Forest in Japan, one of the spookiest places, come
out the ghost.

Speaker 8 (01:05:47):
Yeah, that is the only way to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
That is, you should do they should.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I'm pretty sure that's a technique they've used on ghost
hunters where it's just like a white guy in like
a tank top or whatever, is in the middle of
a basement. It's like, come, I come, possess.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
Me, Like, what's he gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Just head stick to that'd be awesome. I'd watch admitting
to the bid. That's professional, right, that's yeah. I don't know,
but you make it a good point there, Jamie. What
do you think, Lucy?

Speaker 16 (01:06:12):
I mean, yeah, I like how you put culturally coached.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I think that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
And I think you add on to this. You know already.

Speaker 16 (01:06:20):
Superstitious folks who are isolated who people don't understand their
way of life. But they're also Catholic, right, and I
think that that kind of must be an interesting mix.
You know, what do you what do you all think?

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Well, I'll tell you this. I am a lot of
people that don't know this. I am. I live in
Waco or not. I don't live in Waco now. I
grew up in Waco, but that's not where my family's from.
It's not where I'm born. I was born in New Orleans.
Most of my families in New Orleans, and most of
my family is Catholic. And New Orleans is infamous for
their ghost tours. They love it. It's all over the
place and they're very touristy and very I wouldn't recommend

(01:06:55):
you do one, just because most of it is like lies,
and the stuff that like is isn't lies you would
get from like a history museum or something anyway. Right,
But like, yeah, there is sort of a culture there
of superstition, I would say, and it's part of it
is just like marketing, Like it's just hey, you want
to go to that place because it's haunted and it's
kind of cool, and it gets people to come out there, Like,

(01:07:16):
I really genuinely think a lot of people underestimate how
much of a market that is for people to go
see that, because you don't have to be a super
heavy ghost hunter to just be like, oh, hey, hotel
that's haunted. Yeah, we should totally stay there, like it's
you know, it's just part.

Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
Of also, isn't it also, especially because it was a
French part of the French colonies before. Yeah, I've learned
so much more about American history and civic since I've
lived since I moved here. But anyway, is it very
Catholic there as well?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Oh, the whole state's cat.

Speaker 7 (01:07:44):
It's French Catholics geat, I mean, I mean it's the
most Catholic.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Yeah, it's one of those Catholic parts.

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
But also they've got the hate and the voodoo and
all that kind of stuff, And I think that's part
of it. That people can can compartmentalize their faith and
their belief some of their other beliefs. It's why you
get like very devout religious people who are also eminent
scientists and don't let their faith get in the way
of their research and that kind of stuff. Same thing,
just with more woog.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Yeah, there's also the element of like the way that
we like spirits are depicted. There is a lot of
like cultural and religious intersectionality to those things. Like if
you look at the way ghosts and hauntings are depicted
in say like Japan, where it's more they manifest spirits
that are different parts of nature, different parts of the environment,
and that's the way.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Or just scary ghost girls that come out of your
TV when you watch the VCR.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
For well, that happens too, sure, yeah, but just they
the way we symbolize these things is different across cultures,
and yeah, yeah, it's it's not that we mostly are
associating ghosts now with like the Western tradition of it,
but there's a lot of other depictions, whether it's gins
or other supernatural forces elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
That's a great point. And as someone who recently went
to Japan, they got way scarier stuff than whatever Americans
have come up with, like just in general, the monsters
and stuff. Yeah, I think what you're seeing, Lissie is
a combination of cultural stuperstitions, marketing, and a third thing
that I can't think of mostly those two.

Speaker 7 (01:09:13):
On this planet, no house been a book on a
on a faith based thing. It's the Catholics.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:09:18):
If you've been to the Vatican and have you seen
the sisting that's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
True, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Maybe I don't know what ghost properties due to property
rates can.

Speaker 7 (01:09:28):
Actually make them go down significantly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I would imagine it could. It could do that, but
I actually could go up too as well.

Speaker 7 (01:09:34):
I suppose it depends. But I heard a place being
reputedly haunted can bring its property value down. We should
start spreading more ghost roomors Austin.

Speaker 8 (01:09:47):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
That's a good idea, Lucy. You were going to say
something well, I mean that.

Speaker 16 (01:09:50):
Is part of the reason why I think houses on
the island are so right now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Ah, that's gonna be it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:56):
It was all a ploy, I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Are some look are there some like like Joel Ostein's
church is like haunted or something. I don't know, and
maybe that's actively target people. I'm just reporting on information
i've heard. I heard that there was, you know, some
miners that died around Joel Ostein, one hundred and nine
of them.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
And school was worth the kids were tragically lost just
outside this nice three bed, two bath for duplex in
access to the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Children, they yearned for the mines and they just couldn't.
We couldn't get them out.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
Was very haunted house.

Speaker 8 (01:10:30):
Please, we're changing this channel up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I gotta tell you the Yeah, what's that, Lucy?

Speaker 16 (01:10:38):
I mean after I went with my family, I can
indeed confirm the children and my family do yearn for
the mines. Those kids were like over the places they
weren't supposed to go. They were like plunging into that darkness.

Speaker 10 (01:10:50):
They were ready.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I love it. Yeah, that's that's one hundred percent.

Speaker 11 (01:10:54):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Well, Lucy, I really appreciate your call. Anything else you
want to add before we let you go? Tonight?

Speaker 16 (01:10:59):
The miners performing, and I just wanted to mention they
do actually have a theater of the mines on Bell Islands,
and the idea is that these high school kids who
are part of sort of an art internship program come
over it and they pay on the plays as the ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
No way that children are actually miners. That's awesome. Oh
that's so cool. They heard the mines. It's full circle.

Speaker 8 (01:11:25):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
The miners are miners.

Speaker 8 (01:11:28):
Get it, get it here first, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Fantastic, so funny.

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
And will not be with and it will be brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Then let it be in a mine of all things
please looked like my ancestors bury me there, Lucy, thanks
so much for your call. I hope you have a
great rest of your weekend, and uh call again sometime.
Tell me more about haunted places in Newfoundland because that's
definitely an area of knowledge I don't have expertise on.

Speaker 8 (01:11:56):
Pretty limited.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Yeah, I gotta tell you that I can't remember if
I told the story on this show. When I last
time I did a ghost tour in New Orleans, we
like stop by this swamp area and they encourage people
to like take pictures, and like, I'm laughing thinking about this.
There you know some people on the tour who are
a little more gullible than me. I guess U go

(01:12:19):
up to the tour guy and be like, look look
at these I think we got some orbs in this picture.
And this guy is just like, yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 8 (01:12:28):
It looks like it's like this at all. Oh yeah,
very legitimate.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yeah, no, like literally, just after she's saying like, yeah,
there's we got pictures out here and there's people with
orbs in them. I don't know, it's crazy, yeah, really
funny stuff. She also talked a lot about like Hurricane
Katrina and stuff and made it said it's just like okay,
you're just milking this, yeah, that whole thing, you.

Speaker 7 (01:12:46):
Know, things about like mediums especially, and like science is
done as a job. Like some people say it's harmless,
but I really don't want the fact that you will.
You will even if you don't feel you are engaging
in deception.

Speaker 8 (01:13:01):
For then you're off of people's pain.

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
That's something that's hard for me because you know, nobody
wants to be a jerk, and I don't want to
be a jerk to people. And there's this concept of
people doing horoscopes or doing going to psychics like recreationally
that I just kind of don't. I just I can't
see I get it all the way because it's like, yeah,
you're right, like ultimately, yeah, maybe for you, it's like
for fun, but they are harving people, like they are

(01:13:28):
seeing people that don't feel that way like inevitably, right,
it's part of the business.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
I don't know it is, I mean, and my stance
and I've said this before, like there is and it
was actually something that was said by someone who's hosting
on the first show we have called into Captain Dadpool.
There's no minimum safe dosage of bullshit, but I have
taken that and gone well, now I want to treat
irrational thinking how you might treat alcohol, where a little

(01:13:55):
bit sometimes can be fun. Too much probably bad, probably bad,
and if you're trying to be truly intellectually healthy, you
wouldn't have any at all.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I think if you see a psychic regularly, you should
just go see it there? Yes, that Like, I don't know,
maybe if that's how it works, Like you know, you're
seeing people for your problems or whatever, like, do why
not see somebody who's actually trained with that? I think,
I don't know. That's just my opinion, folks. We do
have some more audience questions, so I think we are
going to switch that camera back over to the audience

(01:14:24):
and see what be gone for us. Hello audience member.

Speaker 17 (01:14:27):
Guys, I'm a longtime fan of the show and have
a question for you. Okay, have you ever experienced any
kind of discrimination, and I mean really anywhere along the
spectrum of discrimination just based on your being an atheist?

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
And if you did, how did you react?

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
I as an atheist.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Have you based discrimination being British.

Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
Yeah, a couple of times. Oh yeah, okay, So I
work in a call center as my job, and ninety
five times out of four hundred people are very like,
very nice in terms of like, I list, do you
talk all day?

Speaker 11 (01:15:01):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:15:01):
But and I'm like, no, you can't. But some people
like I can't understand the word you see, why are
you over here anyway? And I'm like, I live here anyway.
But the only discrimination I can think of that I've
encountered other than disability, which is just people trying to
take the fact I can't see very well. I actually
was on the I've been on the receiving end of

(01:15:22):
a little bit of sexism, which was interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
I used to work in a different organization where I
was taking calls from uh to do with pregnancy, and
of course the knowledge I had and the information I
was able to give was the same coming out of
my mouth the ladies myth. But people would would prefer
to speak to a woman about these things, and there's

(01:15:47):
just for their own comfort, their own preconceptions. Now, of course,
understanding that, yeah, I could understand why you'd probably want
to do that. Yeah, And it makes sense to me,
which is what I don't go like, oh, I have
been a victim of sexism and has been profiled. No,
it's kind of understandable. It's the kind of people to say, oh,
you know, it's racism against white people. It's like in

(01:16:09):
the most technical sense, but not really yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Yeah, but being an atheist though, have you ever Yeah,
I certainly have. Yeah, what's your story?

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Though there's a lot of different stories from when I
was in the US Army. I think the most straightforward
example was for those of you that have never served.
When you're in the military, most mornings during the work week,
you have to get up and do a lot of
physical exercise. It's called the PTE period physical training. And
the one of the units that I was in decided
they were going to do a pancake breakfast and it

(01:16:40):
was during PT hours. You could choose to go to
that or you could go do pt you can go
for a run, okay, well get pancakes. And it was
a it was a prayer breakfast. The unit chat Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Wait, so it's it's actual pancakes. Because when you're talking
about the US military, I just assume that's a euphem
bism for like, oh, you're going to get your face
pounded in like a pancake something.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
I mean, I'm sure that it's probably been used by
someone as euphimism.

Speaker 8 (01:17:05):
That wasn't regular.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Nomenclature when I was in Gotcha No pancakes met pancakes,
and it was you got to see have a nice
little delectable breakfast. But you'd have to sit there and
listen to the sergeant major of my battalion preach about
how important faith was to being a leader and a
soldier in the military, and then listen to the chaplain
give a sermon. And so I was like, I raised

(01:17:27):
my hand to volunteer to go to the prayer breakfast
that everyone knew I was an atheist, and they were like,
Sergeant Claude Felter, and I was like, what tell me
I can't go. They did let me go, But then
afterwards when I was like, I would like to have
a sec secular breakfast where we just talk about leadership
and skills and things like that, and I received no
end of pushback.

Speaker 8 (01:17:44):
What organization am I a part of?

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
I was part of the military atheist and secular humanists,
But they pushed back on.

Speaker 8 (01:17:49):
That wouldn't validate it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Wouldn't approve my request to have a secular, secular breakfast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
That's kind of funny because aren't you like the whole
like if you're a Christian, aren't you trying to preach
to the unbeliever? Like don't they want you there?

Speaker 11 (01:18:03):
Or that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Yeah, they didn't deny me going to the breakfast rather
than going for a very long run.

Speaker 8 (01:18:10):
But it was my attempt to try.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
To have one that was non religious that got absolutely
shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:18:15):
Just my period.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
I was part of the military atheist and secular Humanists
at Fort Drum and then later at Fort Campbell in Kentucky.
And the number of times we would get approval for
something by one chaplain or by one organization, and then
later they'd be like, well atheists aren't really you don't exist,
and would just deny our letter, our paperwork, or would
ooh it got lost was very regular. And the number

(01:18:37):
of times we were forced to engage in prayer was
very constant, despite us protesting and saying this isn't lawful.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Ah, yeah, that's not great. I don't know, I get
it's just you know, you think when somebody those you're
an antheist, is like, oh, I should invite them to
the Christian thing. I should make them feel welcome.

Speaker 8 (01:18:54):
And they would, but they wouldn't let us do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
But you can't do your own thing, right, No.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
You can't proselytize the soldiers that I have.

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
To be there, right, I'm understanding now. I've been spectacularly
lucky in that I've never not been honest about being
an atheist. And but I came here and was married
to someone who didn't mind it at all and didn't
it was not a problem. And the only friction one
we had with that was that she was a wicked
and I respected what she wanted to do with that

(01:19:23):
and her superstitions and didn't push back on it. But
what the organization I work for is completely and utterly
accepting of all the different dispositions and are very much
encouraging of my my, my mustancers and an atheist. And
then I fell in with these chumps. They're not going
to discriminate against me because I'm a I'm an atheist
about yourself, then I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Will say, thank goodness, I marry it. When I was
on tender, oh boy, here we go, I'm just saying, oh,
what are your hobbies? Well, i'd like to do podcasting.
Oh what is your podcast about? Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:19:54):
Here we go conspiracy with conspiracy?

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Well, truth wanted. It's not like Alex Jones, that's what
that was the start thing, because it's like, no, it's
just it's supposed to sound like it, but it's not. Yeah.
So I don't know. Yeah, I think it's just kind
of awkward and weird for most people, especially who haven't
Some people just don't even know what an atheist is.
Oh gosha, Right, that's pretty common. But also like I
don't feel comfortable talking about it most of the time

(01:20:20):
with co workers or people I'm not super familiar with
because it's just it invites a weird, unnecessary tension. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Like I've had people even in like the activist space
that I've worked in for a long time, when they
find out I'm an atheist, they don't stop working with me.

Speaker 8 (01:20:36):
It changes their behavior. Maybe they were more friendly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
But there's atheists have a stereotype why we like it
or not right, and.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
We're kind of fulfilling it a little bit here we
have a look.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Sure, there is that, but also there's the attitude, like
there's a belligerence that's kind of associated with it, Right,
there's sort of a lack of sort of respect for
other people that atheists seem to have, you know, I
think of like the two thousand and eight r slash
atheist tipping.

Speaker 7 (01:21:03):
Fuel condescension of like I'm so smart and all right,
all you religious people.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
And I'm not saying it that's not been unearned. But
I've tried very hard for a very long time to
kind of show that, Ay, people come to this conclusion
from all walks of life. For me, like, I saw
atheism as a liberation really, you know, I don't have
to be under these rules and hierarchies that Christianity sort
of brings, and I think ultimately oppresses people, and that's

(01:21:30):
why I do what I do. But of course you
talk to people that don't feel that way, you're just
kind of so weirdo.

Speaker 7 (01:21:35):
And I think that the construing of atheism with like
people say, oh, oh, you don't believe in God, but
you don't you don't know that God? Well why aren't you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
There is yeah, the whole knowledge.

Speaker 7 (01:21:47):
Yeah, that's the thing. And we try and push back
on that because a lot of people have seen that
atheism means that you want didn't. You're saying that God
definitely does not exist, and I don't say that right,
But I want to put the lavel atheist on myself
because I believe strongly enough. I feel strongly enough that
the lack of belief although I have comes from a
place of intellectual honesty, you know. I want to champion that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
You know, when I was a Christian, I kind of
assumed that everybody, most other people in my life were Christians. Besides,
unless it was obvious, if I didn't ask, That's what
I assumed. And that was a sort of privilege. Now
that it's hard to you know, kind of look back
and see how easy it was for me to just say, like, oh, yeah,
I'm a Christian. So the Christian thing, the Christian default

(01:22:30):
is just going to apply.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
I remember have stumbling in and like just eating my lunch,
and then suddenly you're in a conversation about what church
you should go to, and then suddenly everyone turns to you,
what church should you go?

Speaker 8 (01:22:40):
Where are you going to?

Speaker 10 (01:22:41):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Right? Non denominational, no denomination.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
Without It's that level of I don't know if entitlement
is the right word, but just expectation that the rest
of the world is Christian like you. They don't recognize that,
like you could be outing someone with what you think
is this very innocuous question. But for the atheist, especially
if you aren't out about it, that's one of those
moments where it's like, do I say non denominational, Do
you say Buddhist?

Speaker 8 (01:23:03):
Do you say an atheistic religion?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Oh? Yeah, oh you goa say atheistic religion? Yeah, try
that at the lunch right, Yeah, then you had a
whole other arguments. Yeah, it's still tough. It's still tough,
but you know, it's getting better. I still believe it's
getting better for atheists even though all the crazy shit
that's happened in this country. The Internet really has made
people way more comfortable having conversations and people, you know,

(01:23:28):
being out and about about this stuff. And I don't know,
this organization wouldn't exist unless we all thought the same
thing about it.

Speaker 7 (01:23:34):
Yeah, and you know, and it's one of the reasons
why we do what we do and have what the
back crews each each year and stuff, is that it's
not some people don't have the luxury that a lot
of us have where they have a safe space they
can come to and a mysterious man who may or
may not have asked a question earlier in this is
also trying to champion having literal physical spaces for people
to go to. Absolutely and I think it is quite

(01:23:56):
important to find you try.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
And that man, Albert Einstein, Superman. I don't know. Well, folks,
we are getting towards the end of the show. I
need to give a very very big thank you to
the wonderful people that showed up today. Thank you so
much live studio audience for being in this show. I

(01:24:19):
want to give a huge thank you to the crew.
Let's give a big applause for the crew.

Speaker 7 (01:24:23):
We must start putting in because they'll bestics if we did.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
And one more for all of the hosts that came
up today. Thank you to Cali, thank you to John,
thank you to Helen, Thank you the Eli and all
everybody that showed up today as well.

Speaker 7 (01:24:37):
Thank you Dan for piloting the show and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Oh yeah, wow wow, thank you for that. Appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:44):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
If you're watching this later, there's still time to get
back cruise tickets. We're gonna be showed up tomorrow. Otherwise
we will be doing two more live shows on Sunday,
one for talking than one for atheistic experience. And there's
no after show today because we're we're hanging out stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:25:01):
It's just not online.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
That's right, that's right, it's an in person show today. Well, folks,
i've objectively Dan, thanks so much for watching today's episode
of truth wanted. Remember to always keep wanting the truth.
And I'll see you next time.

Speaker 11 (01:25:24):
Yeah. Watch the nonprofits and join the hosts in the
live chat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
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