Ep.256 Angelfish (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
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wish to report a.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
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report of any kind of it?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, if you passed over.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I got I don't know what it was, but it's
from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,
I passed right over the top.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Of US ninety one one. You just called up to
be the fours they're after staying the airplanes.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
To God on an unidentified object, every liberty or call
or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're
all doing good. I'm Nick Hunter and you're listening to
the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight we have the pleasure of
Hollywood actress Camille Harmon and she comes to us from
Los Angeles and Camille will be sharing her abductions that
occurred in the mid nineties that involved fetus removal implants

(02:09):
and the connection to the my Lab's Black Projects. Camille
is a member of mufon and wrote for UFO Magazine
under Don and Vicki Eckler, as well as public speaking
at UFO conferences. She is involved in documentaries and is
the founded member of the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. Camille is
up next, but first, if you enjoy the show and

(02:30):
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Now on with the show. Hello, Camille, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Thank you. I'm so excited.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thank you for coming on today and you'll call in
from Los Angeles, California.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yes, I am La, La Land with the Santa Anna
Wins blowing seventy miles an hour today. It's been rough,
a rough.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Day, Okay. Now, Camille, you have some experiences you're going
to be sharing with us. Would you like to start
the beginning, please, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yes, I will gladly start at the beginning, although I
don't know if it's really the beginning, but I can
tell you it's when I came into the awareness of
this phenomena in my life. Was in nineteen ninety five.
I was about what was I twenty nine years old,
living in New Orleans at the time, and I had
finished graduate school, getting my master's in theater at the

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University of New Orleans. And I had a boyfriend who
was an actor. We were both hot stuff in New Orleans,
and we had decided to move to LA after being
in a production of Richard I I and having a
great time. He was playing Richard I was Lady Anne,
and we thought, let's go to LA and take on

(04:11):
the world. So we did that, and we drove to
LA with the U haul towing the car behind us
and we had our dog with us, and we spent
a night in Sedona. Actually we went camping along the way,
so that was kind of weird. Maybe something happened there
that started this whole ball rolling. So right before we

(04:32):
had taken off on our trip, I had been compelled.
I'm one of those people you hear about who was
compelled to buy Whitley Streeber's book on the shelf at
the bookstore. And this happened in about August of ninety five,
right before we've moved in September, and I had seen
this book Breakthrough, and I knew a little bit about
Whitley Streeber, and I just saw that alien face on

(04:55):
the cover of this hardcover book and I was like,
oh my god, I have to get this book. See
what this guy is writing about now, because I knew
he had an earlier book, Communion, but I hadn't read it.
And so I read this book and it blew my
mind and really introduced me to the world of UFOs

(05:15):
and I was hooked. I was like, oh my god,
this is like the most important thing I've ever read,
and it just really expanded my mind. So now we're
in la and we're settling into our house that we
were renting, a beautiful house in Silver Lake with a
great view of the sky. I remember actually walking up
the steps and looking at the view from the living

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room with the landlord and saying, oh my god, this
window is like perfect for seeing UFOs. Of course, I
don't know why I said that, but I did. And
I had an agent, I had a job, I had
my sag card. I was so excited to just begin
my new life acting in La, you know. So everything

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was going great. But then I started having all these
weird physical symptoms in my body of being pregnant. And
I had sore breast, I had anxiety, I had heartburn.
And I'd never been pregnant before that I know of.
But I had no menstrual cycle. And I was taking

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the pill at the time very regularly. And I I
remember in the past, I, you know, if I was
ever late on my cycle, I would just go to
the drug store and get a pregnancy test and take
a pregnancy test and ease my mind to go, oh good,
I'm not pregnant. Great. But I didn't do that, Like
I kept waiting and waiting and waiting, and I had
I went months without any menstrual cycle. And I remember

(06:40):
thinking to myself, Oh, it's just stress. It's just because
I moved. You know, sometimes that happens, right, And so
in December. So we had been in there September, October, November, December,
and we were walking our dog Opal one day in
the neighborhood and she saw these squirrels run up a
palm tree and was barking at the top of the

(07:02):
palm tree where they had a nest up there. And
we were looking at that, and above that in the
sky was a UFO, my very first UFO, and it
was this black thing, very high altitude. I couldn't quite
make out the shape, but it had like a shimmer
around it, like it was black and maybe a triangle.

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I'm not one hundred percent, but it had a shimmer
around the edge. And my boyfriend Eric saw it too,
and I remember him teasing me and saying, oh, you
and your UFO books. You know, look, you're standing at
the uf phone. I was like, I think we are,
and we looked at each other, we made eye contact,
and then we looked back at it and it was gone.
And I mean it was a bright blue sky and
no clouds and we had the palm tree for reference,

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and we were looking everywhere, like where'd it go, where'd
it go? It's gone? And we got really excited, and
I said, here, take the leash. I'm going home. I'm
gonna call it in, I'm gonna report it. So I
went home and I was on the phone with the guy.
There was a phone number the phone book like UFO hotline,
and I called and it was move On. And I
talked to this guy Bill, and I told him about
the UFO and I don't know how far we got

(08:07):
into the report, but you know, I told him what
I saw and and he said, oh, we have these
monthly meetings by the way, if you want to come,
And I was like, oh, yes, I'm there, tell me
where I'll be there. So at the same time, in
December of ninety five, I had this weird night when
I Eric was in the living room watching a David
Lynch movie that I didn't feel like watching because I

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knew it would be gross, and I was sleeping alone,
and I had this attack of sleep proalysis. And I
had had that before in my life, but I this
time it was really scary because I heard a voice
say my name in my would seem to be from
my left side, like an electronic sounding voice that just

(08:50):
said my name, that's all it said. It said Camille
like a robot or like a computer generated voice. And
then I had an image of a gun pointed out,
like a flash image of a gun pointed at me,
and I was like, okay, what the hell was that.
It was terrifying because I couldn't move, And later on,
when Eric was in the bed with me sleeping, it

(09:12):
happened again the same night, and I remember coming out
of the paralysis, and this time I didn't have any
weird audio visual thing, but I came out of the paralysis.
I was moaning, you know, as I broke out of it,
and it woke him up, and I remember him asking
me like, well, are you okay? And I was crying.
So I in January, my menstrual cycle came back, by

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the way. But then I started going to these moof
On meetings and I saw Kim Carlsberg speak and she
blew my mind because she had a book out that
darryl Anka, who channels Bishar, had illustrated, and she was
in showbiz as well as a set photographer on Baywatch
and she was living with this guy who was like

(09:55):
the director or producer or something of Baywatch, and she
had this great life, but then she started having these
abductions in Malibu at their house or Pacific palace haads,
I can't remember, think Malibu and this whole thing, you know.
And I just I was so blown away by her
story and her emotion. And I checked out her book
at the back table, and it had a checklist in

(10:16):
the back that was like, you know, you may have
been abducted if and it had all these things on
this list. And I was reading this list and I
was like, oh my god, I've had that, and I've
had that, and I've had nose bleeds as a child,
and I've had all these weird things on the list.
And I was shaking, and I just knew. I was like,
oh my god, I think I'm one of these people.

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And I was introduced to Barbara Lamb, who's a hypnotherapist
for this problem. And I said, Barbara Lamb, Hello, nice
to meet you. I want to make an appointment to
do a regression with you. Please about this night in
December when I had these weird sleep proalysis attacks and
saw UFO and let's do it. So we did. Had

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two incidents we investigated. Okay, the very first incident we
investigated was not that night. Actually it was years ago,
I think, like around nineteen ninety one, when I was
living in Richmond, Virginia, sleeping at this dorm room when
I had this weird dream in my memory. I had

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this weird dream and in the dream, I was in
a mansion with a film crew. I was part of
the crew. I was walking through this rock star's house
like some generic rock star with long hair. He was
leading us through his house through these various rooms, and
he was like, Okay, this is the studio, and this
is the living room. And then he goes, oh, and

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this is the Satanic ritual room. And I looked in
this room and there was like an altar and a
you know, it was like black and red or whatever.
I don't know. I can't remember the room very much,
but there was a there was a mounted taxidermy goat
head on the wall, and I remember the rest the
film crew kept walking and I stayed in the doorway

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of that room and I said to the room, to
the general room, I said in my dream, I said,
I dare you to make yourself known to me. That's
what I said in my dream. And all of a
sudden in the dream, the goatthead came alive and started
making noise, you know, goat noise. It's so scary. And
at that moment, I felt this feeling in my solar

(12:25):
plexus area of my body that my soul or my
life force was being sucked out of me at a
rapid rate, like I was gonna die. And I just
it all happened so fast, and I said stop, in
the name of Jesus Christ. I was like in this realm,

(12:46):
I don't know where I was no longer in that room.
I was like in this spacetime realm when that happened.
And I said stop in the name of Jesus Christ.
And it stopped, and I woke up and I heard
wind chimes in this dorm room, you know, like outside,
and it was like, what the hell was that. It
was the most terrifying thing. So anyway, we targeted that

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initially in the regression because I was curious about that too.
And I did get being standing around me in this
room with some kind of a tube stuck in my chest,
and all I could see were their eyes and they
had these, you know, goat eyes or reptile eyes. They
had weird irises. So that was a really scary thing.
But then we targeted that night in December ninety sixth

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and I had this terrifying memory of a typical alien abduction. Right,
I'm in my bed, I'm frozen, I can't move, and
this light appears over me, this blue light that was
like a turquoise blue, and it was just really solid light.
It wasn't like a normal spotlight that flares out. It
was like a column of light. And it hit me

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and I curled up into a fetal position in my memory,
and I went through the ceiling in this fetal position,
and I was terrified and I was like screaming up bah.
But I didn't see a ship though. Okay, this is
where it gets weird. So I go through the ceiling.
And then the next thing I remember is I'm in
this I'm on a table in a misty room. I

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can't see any walls or anything. There's just a misty
white light everywhere, and I'm terrified and I'm saying, everybody's
looking at me. Everybody's looking at me. And Barbara says,
who is looking at you, and I said, I don't know,
and she's she had to make me look around. She goes, well,
look around and see if you see anything. And I
looked to my left and I saw this row of
being standing there like I don't know how many, there

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were more than three. They all looked the same they
had They were white. They had white robes on with
high collars, they had long sleeves, they had white, big
white heads, the big black eyes, and they had something
at their chest area that was like a triangle in
a circle, some kind of emblem thing. And they were

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all standing next to each other with their arms down,
their really long arms, and I was just terrified. And
she was like, you know, what do they want? What's happening?
Because you know, you're just laying there screaming, right, and
the hypnotherapist has to like guide you through it because
you're so emotional, you're not talking, and she doesn't know
what's happening, so she has to say things like, Okay, now,
what's happening. So I said to her, I said to Barbara,

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I said, they're telling me I have a baby and
they want it. And I was just freaking out. So
then my legs went apart and no one was touching them,
and I felt really afraid because my body was moving,
not in my control. And then there was a being
I could not see between my legs with a flash
of this like gynecological instrument, and I knew that this

(15:48):
being was gonna put that in me, and I was
freaking out, and she said, you can go above your
body and remember it from above if that makes you
feel less afraid or whatever, you know, more control of
the memory. So I like floated up above to watch it.
And this thing that I could not see, this being
that I could not see, put this thing in this

(16:10):
instrument in me and took it out. And there was
something in the instrument through the slats that I could
see that was like a little pink something. I cannot
tell you what it looked like. I don't know if
it was human or part human. It was very tiny,
and the being walked out of the room with it,

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and I remember feeling this horrible grief, and I was
so bereft. I was like crying and saying, they didn't
even let me see it, and they just left and
I was just in agony in I mean, I must
have lost two or three pounds in this regression, just
crying and my teeth were chattering, and it was just

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utter terror, and it blew my mind. So I mean,
what do you do with that? You know? She gives
me this little cassette tape with this horrible event on it,
and I go home to my poor boyfriend and I
sit him down and I make him listen to it.
And he's hearing all this screaming and the teeth chattering
and the wailing and and I mean, he looks at

(17:16):
me like, holy crap. I mean, what you know, what's
going on? What happened to my girlfriend? Or what didn't
happen to my girlfriend? And my girlfriend's crazy or what like.
He didn't know what to believe. You know, it's so
depressing because you feel like it felt so real, and
yet when you try to share it with someone, they
don't know what to make of that, you know. And

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we'd been dating a long time years, and he was like,
oh my god, this is horrible. So and then it
just got worse because I was so obsessed and I
was so talkative. And then it happened again. I had
another incident when he was out of town. He went
back to New Orleans for a film job of all things,
and so he was gone for a week and I

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was sleeping alone, and I I woke up three mornings
in a row in July of nineteen ninety six, and
I saw my digital clock saying four zero zero, and
I was like, why am I getting up? I didn't
hear a noise, What's going on? And the third morning
of that, I got in the tub to shave so
I could go to the beach and meet my friend,
and I saw this bleeding triangular puncture array of like

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needle marks in the shape of a little triangle on
my calf, and I was like, damn it, that is
some alien thing. I've seen that in one of my
books or some stupid show I recorded, and I was
looking for it and look in and look, and I
found it picture like that in my book, some book
I had. And I've since then met like five people.

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Four people have had that thing on different parts of
our bodies. So I did another regression. This time I
went to Yvonne Smith just to experiment with the other
lady in town that was doing regressions, and I got
aliens again, and this time the variety factor was I
went out the window flat instead of through the ceiling
in the fetal position, same thing. The blue light floats

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me up, I turn, I go out the window, and
then boom, I'm on this table again. I don't remember UFO.
I don't remember any kind of I remember going through
the window and then I was on the table, but
this time there was one tall one with the white robes,
and then there were these little, three short ones with
the kind of wrinkly heads. And I couldn't see their

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whole bodies. I just saw the tops of their heads
at these wrinkly heads, and they were like gray or
brown or something dark. And I remember crying and saying,
you made me scared of little kids, because you look
like little kids, but you're not little kids. And I
was a teacher at the time, and I had had
this experience where these kids pulled me toward a cabinet,

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like a bunch of them came up and grabbed my
arms and started walking me to this cabinet to get
some paper, and like, my body just went into this
cellular memory of something similar to that happening, and I
was like, oh my god, I have to hold it
together in this classroom, because you know it was a
real deja vu kind of feeling. So when these these
little guys had me on the table in this hygnosis

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memory and I'm yelling at them, the one closest to
my head put its hand on my forehead and I
was like, get your creepy hand off me, little bastard,
and I'm cussing it out. But then as it put
its hand on my head and started stroking my forehead,
I like calmed down. It like melted my anger and
my panic and I just got really chill. And I

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I mean not chill. I'm happy, but it calmed me.
And I just said, just do what you have to
do and let me go home. And I was sedated somewhat.
So then the tall doctory one with the white robes
with the high collar and the big white head with
the big black eyes and the beautiful long white fingers,
he's reached for the ceiling. There's this stuff in the ceiling,

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like a wand on a some kind of a tubing
and a rack with some tips, and he picks a
tip and he puts one of these tips on the
wand and he holds my leg, my left leg. He's
standing on my right but he reaches across, he holds
my left leg and he just pops that wand on
my leg real quick like, almost like a vaccination or something.

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You know. That was all I remembered of that. I
don't remember getting home, coming back, anything, just that procedure.
And I did later work with the doctor and have
the leg X ray. There was nothing in my leg,
so that's why it seemed more like a vaccination kind
of a thing, not a not an object being put
in me. And then later I had gone to the

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dentist to get all my fillings changed out for you know,
for the white, the nice white fillings, and I had
all my old mercury feelings taken out. I loved my
new fillings except for this one tooth. And I went
to back to the dentist, a very nice dentist in
Beverly Hills, and I said, you know, well I told
him this before you even did the fillings. I said, hey,
by the way, I'm an alien abductchee and I'm doing

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some hypnotherapy. And I've read a lot about this lately,
and I've read that some people freak out in the
dentist chair because they have flashbacks. And I said, that's
never happened to me at the dentist before in my life.
But I'm just telling you that, you know. And I said, oh,
and by the way, if you ever find anything weird
in my body, you have to tell me. And he
was like, okay, well, I read a book about Roswell,

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so you know, I don't totally think you're crazy, okay.
And so anyway, he does all my feelings and then
this one feeling hurt and I go back and he's like, well,
it looks good. You know, the seal is good. I
can redo it. So he redes the filling and he
finds this weird thing in my tooth that he had
just worked on. He had just worked on that tooth
a couple of months before, and now it's got this

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weird thing in it that he described as a spherical
or semi spherical object. And he wrote me a whole
letter about it. And he was drilling and drilling. It
was really hard, and he said, I can't get a
chunk of this. It's powderizing, but it's super hard and
it's going down the drain, and what do you want
me to do? And he showed it to me in
the mirror and he was tapping on it with the
little tool and I was like, oh my god. I said,

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I don't know, just like you fill it up and
I'll you know, I'll decide later. So he filled it
up and it did fix the sensitivity. So I just
kind of, you know, put that in the back of
my mind. Okay, that's not bothering me, so I'm not
going to think about it. And then other weird things
I had happened to my body. It had a dream
where I was bitten by a spider, and when I

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woke up and looked in the mirror, I had this
incision on my right shoulder, on the back of my
shoulder where that spider had bitten me in my dream,
and I would get this weird feeling where something was
like a beasting would happen on that incision, and then
I would get a jolt of electricity down my arm
and out my fingers and it would just randomly happen.

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So I didn't know where that came from, and I
never did a regression to it. Another weird thing I
had on my left shoulder one day was a grid
mark pattern, like a little square of dots, and it
wasn't like needle marks. It was more like, I don't
know what it was. It didn't last, it was temporary.
The same thing with the little slice. It's not there anymore,

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the triangle everything in a way. But I got pictures,
and so I did do a regression to the tooth
with Barbara Lamb again. I went back to her and
I thought I'd get aliens. You know, I was just guessing.
But what happened is I had what you know, what
they call a military abduction memory. So it was really terrifying.

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I did not have a blue beam or anything like that.
I just remember I was in an exam room on
a table. But this time I felt really drugged, not
hyper alert and immobilized, like with the aliens or whatever
they are. But and I say aliens very loosely, I
don't know if these things are computer generated something, if

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it's a CIA mind control trick, if they're demonic beings,
if they're a simulation being, I don't know. If they're
I don't know what they are. I don't know if
they're from another dimension another time. I don't know what
they are. They don't have to be from another planet
is where I'm getting at, So they could be from
under the earth. They could be from Antarctica. I don't

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know where they're from. So anyway, in this memory, on
this table, it was a normal exam room. It was
not misty or weird or sci fi looking. It was
just a normal like a doctor's room. But there were
two men in there, not aliens, men, and they were
in lab coats and they had black shoes and khaki
pants like some kind of military I just, you know,

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like navy, not saying it was navy, just saying that's
what they were wearing. And the only word I got
out of them in this memory was the word trouble maker,
aimed at me. And then they one of them put
a syringe through my cheek in my memory, and squirted
something into my jaw at this where this tooth was.
So they did not do something dental. I was not

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in a dentist's chair. I was on a flat table,
and they just put the syringe into my cheek from
the outside and squirted something in there. So then they
put me on a gurney, rolled me down a hall,
and I ended up in this hangar that was seemingly
underground because it had a helicopter in it, and the

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ceiling retracted and so it was like a dome kind
of ceiling or some kind of ceiling that opened up.
And then there was a lot of daylight, and I
remember how bright it was, and I was in this
helicopter lying down, and they flew up, up, up and
took me home to my Silver Lake neighborhood in Los
Angeles and landed in this field by my house, which

(26:53):
is still a field. I went there recently to see
this field to see if anyone put a house on
it or anything, and it's still a field you can
land a helicopter on. And they said go home and
take a nap, and then I came out of the memory.
So I don't remember walking home, going in a door
or anything like that. And when I came out of
this regression, I was so freaked out. And Barbara told

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me that it was the first time she had ever
had a regression with someone that had a military abduction memory.
This was in like nineteen ninety seven as well, so
I was terrified. I thought, oh my god, if this
is real, this is scarier than the aliens. I mean,
aliens are scary, but paramilitary something or other, covert something,

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something that's that's scarier to me. It's more of a betrayal,
and it's more like unnerving because then you think, God,
if I didn't remember this until I went digging around
for it because of this dental situation, if this is real,
then you know what else is real that they've done
with me that I don't remember. And then you get

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totally pair like what the hell? So that was very disturbing.
So I continued to go to meetings. I went to Roswell.
I had a great trip to the Roswell nineteen ninety
seven to fiftieth anniversary. I saw doctor Mac. Everybody was there,

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all the greats that a lot of them that are
no longer with us were there, and it was very fascinating.
I took some photos at White Sands with Don Waldrup.
We had gone on this trip together. He was ahead
of move On LA at the time, and he drove
me there and I got UFOs, well, I should say,
not a classic UFO. I got light anomalies in these

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photos that we took in White Sands where I was,
I had drawn this big alien face on the sand
dune and I was yelling at this guy like I
dare you to come down here and we're just screwing
around taking these pictures. After I drew this big alien face,
and in the pictures later when we developed them, there

(29:02):
were these white things, like little squiggly things right in
my face where I was looking in two photos, so
I'm like yelling at the sky and there's a white
squiggly thing right in front of my face. And then
I'd look another way and I'm yelling at this guy
and there's a white squiggly thing in front of my
face in another picture. So that was pretty wild. And

(29:22):
you know, at this time too, I was I was
going to a lot of different healers. I went to
this lady, Marie Angelique Rafael, and she did a prayer.
She said, you agreed to work with these beings on
the soul level, and we can sever the contract. And
she prayed over me, and she prayed to Archangel Michael
and Saint Germain. And I went to a hyahuasca healer

(29:46):
who had come to La from Peru, and he did
a healing on me that was very powerful. I felt
like I was getting an exorcism, and he went and
threw up afterward, and I remember saying, is that normal?
Is that what? You, you know. He goes, oh, yeah,
I throw up at the end of these clearings because
of I'm taking on, you know, what was done to you?

(30:07):
And I said, well, what do you think was done
to me? And he goes witchcraft and I'm like, oh
Jesus help me, what next? So that I mean, I
just kept going to these different healers, like you know,
to make it stop, and it did stop.

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So for a long time, nothing was happening to me.
I was going to purshare channelings, I had talked to
my relatives more. I was trying to piece things together.
I had an uncle who worked for NASA. He was
a mechanical engineer under Wernavon Brawn in the late sixties.
He worked on the Saturday and five rocket and all

(32:01):
these really cool projects at NASA over in Huntsville. And
I had lived with him and his family when I
was a little kid for a year because I was
kind of I was born to a teenage mom, and
I kind of got passed around a little bit, and
then I was adopted by my aunt. But I did
live with my uncle for a year in Huntsville, and
so you know, I was thinking, like, wow, I keep
meeting all these abductees in support groups and stuff, and

(32:24):
so many of them have relatives in the military or
the space industry or you know, aerospace intelligence. Am I
on a list for this because of this whole biology
for technology thing that, you know, this alleged deal that
was made back in the day. And I mean, I'm
not blaming my uncle. I'm just wondering if him being

(32:45):
in NASA had anything to do with me being abducted,
not that he would even know that. So of course
I asked him about all this, and he said, I
don't know anything, and if it's true, it's an essay
and they're never going to tell you. I was like, thanks,
But I did have an interesting couple of stories visiting
him in Huntsville later, you know, as an adult when
all this was happening, And one time I remember going
there around two thousand some point ish. I went there

(33:11):
a few times, I'm trying to remember the years, and
I went to the gift shop at the Redstone Arsenal
where they had the Space Center, and they had all
this NASA stuff you could buy. But when I went
there on this particular time, they had all these alien
things you could buy at the gift shop, Like they
had T shirts. I bought a T shirt. I bought
like a plastic cup with a straw with an alien
on it. They had these figurines. They had a whole

(33:34):
wall of figurines. It was like, these are the Nordics,
these are the Grays, these are Reptilians, these are the Pleiadians.
It was like little little figurines you could buy, and
I remember just being blown away. And then I went
back there a couple of years later, like maybe two
thousand and two or something, and I went to the
same gift shop and there was nothing alien. There was

(33:56):
not one image of an alien on anything in the
It was all NASA. And I remember thinking, oh my god,
that's really trippy, Like what if they were going to
do disclosure and then they changed their mind or something.
That's how my brain works, Like I was just trying
to figure that out. Why would they take all the
alien stuff away from the store. So another military person

(34:18):
I met. I met this guy, Michael Younger through my
friend Richard Saraday, who was a journalist. Oh and I
started writing for UFO magazine in two thousand. From two
thousand to two thousand and four, I wrote for UFO magazine.
I was covering the MOUF on meetings and writing other articles,
and it was really fun because I got to meet
all these experts. And Richard Sarday, who was a UFO
journalist and podcaster, introduced me to this guy Michael Younger,

(34:42):
who was supposedly in the Navy but also was like
Delta Force or some kind of like special ops something
or other guy. And we had this very secret meeting
in a restaurant and he listened to my story and
he said, yeah, you're the real deal, and he gave
me a code name and he called me angel Fish
and I thought that was weird. And he wouldn't tell

(35:03):
me why, but I said, why is the Navy involved
in this? And he said, well, the Earth is two
thirds water? And I was like, hmm, good point. Now,
with what I know about UFOs coming out of the
oceans and lakes and things, now that that's not as
surprising to me what he said. So, you know, I

(35:25):
just I have a knack for meeting people that tell
me very interesting things. When I was acting, I would
be on set and I would talk freely. I would
talk at parties It mortified my boyfriend. He was like, Ah,
can't you just not talk about this at parties? It's
so embarrassing. It's like you're a born again Christian or something,
and which was funny because later I became a born
again Christian, but that was later. So I would talk.

(35:47):
You know, I'm a big mouth. I'm a communicator, and
but I would get these amazing stories that other people
would tell me because I opened my mouth first. Right.
So I'm on set one day in this trailer with
a bunch of girls and bikinis and we're on this
night shoot of a beach party down at the beach,
and so they had us in this waiting this like RV.

(36:07):
We had to hang out in there so we wouldn't
freeze to death until they needed us. And I'm talking about,
you know, UFOs and stuff, and this girl says to me,
oh my god, I know what you're talking about. Let's
go talk over there. So we go down the hallway
and she says, let me tell you the story. She said,
I grew up in Maryland and my dad worked for
the NSA. He was very high up. And I was like,

(36:28):
oh my okay, keep talking. And she said okay. So
he took me camping when I was a little girl,
and we're looking up at the stars, sitting around the campfire,
and he says to me, what if I told you
that God was an alien and this was all just
a big experiment. And I was like, whoa, that's really interesting.

(36:52):
And I file that away in my brain. You know,
That's what I do. I hear all this wild stuff
and I file it away and just keep putting the
pieces together. So eventually, you know, I looked at my childhood.
I was like, did this happen all my life? Am
I just like waking up to something that's you know,
are there more clues? And like I said, I had
these very severe nose bleeds as a child, which is

(37:12):
a symptom, and I would wake up with blood all
over the pillow. I had to have my nose carterized
at the doctor. As a child, I had a lot
of allergies and respiratory illnesses. I had weird dreams. I
had dreams about going into an elevator that went underground.
I had dreams about vampires things like that. Very fishy

(37:34):
and in my fears, like in my conscious life. As
a child, I was terrified of lizards and snakes. Of course,
I lived in Louisiana and we had those in the yard.
Terrified of praying mantis's, terrified of the slee stacks. On
the Land of the Lost, which was a Saturday morning
show for kids, there were these reptilian creatures. I was
terrified of the creature from the Black Lagoon. So those

(37:57):
are big red flags. Anyway. I just think maybe I
had stuff going on as a child, but I was
just not aware of it. All my fears were paranormal
to my general fears. And I remember seeing the Exorcist
movie when I was like thirteen, and it scared the
hell out of me, you know. So I had this
big fear of being possessed. And I think maybe because

(38:19):
she levitated above the bed, maybe that was some kind
of trigger. I don't know. I was just so afraid
of being possessed. And I was in Catholic school. So
I went to Arizona with my husband. Oh, I ended
up getting married. I gotta tell that story. So I
went to England. I went to see the crop circles
in nineteen ninety eight and it was amazing. I went

(38:42):
by myself and I met up with Barbara Lamb, and
I wanted to see Sting's house because I was a
Sting fanatic, the singer, and he lives right in Wiltshire, England,
near Stonehenge where all the crop circles are. So I
had this girl that was in the Sting fan club
bring me out there to find his house. He lives
in this big, gorgeous house out there, and I saw

(39:02):
a Sting standing in his driveway of all things. When
this car went through the through the gate and he
was standing in the driver I was like, oh my god,
he's right there. So Barbara and I got together and
she said, okay, Camil, we're going to your first crop circle.
And is it a horang? She said, it just happened
last night. So we drove to it and it was
kind of misty and drizzly and I walked into this
thing and it was huge, and later when we saw

(39:24):
pictures of it from above, they had nicknamed it the
Stingray and it looked just like a stingray with a
big long tail that curled, and I thought that is
too cool that. You know, I'm obsessed with Sting and
my first crop circle is the Sting Ray. That was
like a gift to me that was just too synchronistic,

(39:47):
and so I had this wonderful trip over there, and
I had a fling with a guy. You know. Of course,
I came back home to my boyfriend and I was like,
I'm sorry, but I had a fling in England, and
he was like, I'm so glad because I wanted to
break up with you, but I didn't want to be
the bad guys. So we broke up and we were relieved,
but you know, we still cared about each other and

(40:08):
we ended up going to each other's wedding, so it
all worked out. But anyway, I met this guy here, Jeff,
my husband, in nineteen ninety eight, at a gas station
in Malibu and I had to get gas. I was
leaving a UFO Field Investigator training meeting at the beach
and I was heading to a rehearsal and it was
nighttime and I had to stop and get gas in Malibu,
and I chose this gas station that was right near

(40:31):
the gate to the colony where Sting has a house,
So that's why I picked that gas station. Anyway, I
start talking to this guy next to me getting gas
in his motorcycle because he asked me about my bumper
sticker that said I Love England and he said what
part of England do you love? And I was like,
you know, kind of rolling my eyes, I said, Wilt sure.

(40:51):
I was just there looking at crop circles and I thought,
he's not gonna know what I'm talking about. And he said, oh,
my friend Jim Delatoso showed me videos of UFOs making
crop circles. What got you into UFOs? And I'm like, uh,
they got into me. I was like, you know, Jim Delatoso,
I was really impressed because he analyzed his UFO footage

(41:12):
and he was living in Phoenix and he was part
of the Phoenix Lights analysis and so we started talking
and he had had my this guy the gas station,
my husband. He had had all these UFO experiences. So
we swapped business cards and then we got together and
had a date and here we are. So that was
nineteen ninety eight and we're still together and we have
a son who's grown. And Jeff had a lot of

(41:35):
experiences with UFOs two and still does. He saw two
in September in Malibu this year driving around on his motorcycle.
He saw them at night and they were different. They
were different objects, different shapes and everything. Anyway, so you
know that happened. We got married, and then we in
two thousand and five when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.

(41:58):
I was so traumatized. I said, I don't want to
live in la I'm afraid it's going to fall into
the ocean. I don't know, I just got really afraid.
I had kind of quit acting because we had a
son and he was little, and you know, I was
just not into acting. So we packed up and moved
to Tucson and we lived in Tucson for ten years,
and it was really nice. It was very beautiful and inexpensive,

(42:20):
and but you know, had a lot of culture and
fun things to do. So we enjoyed it. And they
had a very active move on and a lot of
UFO history there, and they had the Vatican Observatory based
at the University of Arizona, and a lot of observatories
and just a lot of famous Ufology people live there.
Wendel Stevens lived there. He would go to the UFO

(42:40):
meetings and you know, he wrote all these books about
Billy Meyer and the Paadians and stuff. And I remember
asking him, like, do you trust the Plaandians and he
said no, and I said, oh, how interesting. Why and
he said because they've said things about the future that
didn't come true. And I was like, okay, well, there
you go. That's a good reason. And Colonel Robert Dean
lived in Arizona. Jim Nichols, the artist illustrator, lived in Arizona.

(43:05):
So I was friends with all these people and it
was exciting and I had a great time there. But
then we got bored and we moved back to la
in twenty fifteen. Oh by the way, while it was
in Arizona, I had a major t tour in the
fact that in remember twenty twelve, when everybody was, oh,
the end of the Mayan calendar, the whole world's going
to change, and we were all excited, and then kind

(43:27):
of it felt like nothing happened. Well after that, I
had this feeling, I don't know. We went up to Sedona,
and I remember going to see the there's a big church,
like a big modern Catholic church built into the hill there,
and we went in there and there was this statue
of Saint Michael the archangel with the slaying a dragon,

(43:50):
and I just was very moved by that, and it
reminded me of me of my childhood and going to
Catholic school. I went to this really beautiful old school
in the country Louisiana with Salma Hayak by the way,
in eighth grade. And it was called Academy of the
Sacred Heart. And it's a very old order of nuns,
the Sacred Heart Nuns from France that had settled this

(44:11):
school in eighteen twenty one, I think, and it was gorgeous.
I only went there for seventh and eighth grade. It
was a girls' school. It was a boarding school, but
I was a day student. Salma was a boarding student.
But it was so it was so beautiful and I
had my horse there. We had an equestrian program. It
was just really great. And then I went just wanted
to go to school with boys in high school and

(44:31):
I left there, but it really made an impression on me.
And we had nuns for teachers and they were really nice.
And so anyway, I had been writing my book about
this whole alien thing and I had kind of come
to the end and I still didn't know what it was.
And I got really sad and I was like praying,
and it was like God, can you just reveal to
me what this is. I can move on with my life.

(44:54):
I don't want to lead anyone astray. And then these
books came my way. First it was Nigel Kerner's book
Gray Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls, and I read
that book and it had this whole section on the
Shroud of Turin and how if it was real and
Jesus had turned into a light being and risen from

(45:16):
the dead and had left this imprint on this shroud
that they said had to do with radiation, that it
meant he, you know, he went into a different state.
It just really moved me, and I had this whole
born again Jesus experience. And it was wild because my
husband had told me, he said, you're gonna have this

(45:37):
spiritual awakening, and I was like, I have those all
the time. I was very new age right when we
were dating. And he said, no, something big, and I
was like, okay, whatever. And then that happened right a
few months later, and he was looking at my astrology. Okay, Jeff,
my husband, Jeff Harmon is an astrologer, like a professional,
amazing astrologer. So he was saying that because he saw

(45:59):
that in my chart. So when I had this whole
born again thing, he was like, wow, I didn't know
it would be that. That's pretty wild, you know. And
so I started going back to church. I got confirmed
all this stuff. I was going to the Latin Mass.
It was really beautiful, really intense, and I was in
my happy place. I mean, he was like, how can
you go into this little box of doctrine and be

(46:21):
happy when you used to be so open minded? And
I said, I think aliens are demons and I'm done.
I'm done with it. I just want to go to Mass.
It's so beautiful. And I would go to Mass and
I would just cry and cry. And then I found
out I wasn't in a state of grace and I
couldn't have communion and all this, but I would still go.
And you know, I was just in this difficult situation

(46:43):
of not being able to be a good Catholic because
of my marriage and stuff. But I was I was
really into it. And I was reading all these books
about the saints and that their mystical experiences, and there
were so many parallels to the whole UFO thing, and
it fascinated me because I'd never been taught all that
in Catholic school, because I went to Catholics after Vatican two,
when it was like really kumbaya, and they didn't teach

(47:04):
you anything. They didn't teach us the Rosary, they didn't
tell us any of the cool supernatural stuff about the Saints.
It was really not a good religious class in the
late seventies early eighties. So anyway, we decided to move
back to LA and left Tucson. Came back to LA
in twenty fifteen and I started acting again and I

(47:26):
was still going to church. I was not into UFOs.
Started acting again. I did really well in my acting
career and it really took off, and I was in
an Oscar winning film called Vice with Christian Bale and
Steve Carell. I was in Shameless. I was having a
good old time, you know, acting in my late forties
and early fifties, and it was really fun and it

(47:46):
still is. I mean, I'm still an actress. It's just
been a hell of a couple of years. So no
UFO stuff happening. But then I started going to meetings
again here and there. But even if I'd go to
meetings UFO meetings, I would like argue I'd say, what
if alien you're demons? No, no, no, no, And everybody was like, whatever,
you know. They just the UFO scene is not into
the aliens of demons theory at all, so but I

(48:07):
would still go once in a while. And then really
when I started researching Tartaria stuff, which is a whole
subculture about history and looking at history in a different way,
and it's about were there previous resets? Are we in
a controlled world where there is a non human presence

(48:29):
that is keeping a lid on a certain narrative of
history and creating another where we have had these previous
resets in our in our history, And it's I don't
want to get too much into it. You can go
look into it. But it made me question history and
question reality, and question the origins of architecture around the

(48:50):
world and things like that, and it just really opened
my mind again. And I was watching a lot of
podcasts about Tartaria, and then I decided to go to
back to Arizona for the International UFO Congress in the
fall of twenty twenty two in Phoenix area, and I
had such a great time. Oh my gosh, I saw

(49:11):
all my old UFO friends there, Melinda Leslie and just
all these people like Lynn Katai was there everybody, and
I was like, oh man, I'm so back in, and
so much had happened that I didn't know about, like
the Davis Wilson thing, and all this stuff had happened
that I was just not aware of at all. And

(49:31):
I got hooked. I was like, Okay, I'm back in.
This is just too exciting. And I got so excited
to be back into it. I felt alive in a
different way. And it wasn't like I was totally throwing
out the aliens re demons thing. I just opened up
again to the possibility that it wasn't that simple. So
I started doing interviews. I got invited to speak at

(49:54):
UFO Con up in San Francisco, went up there, did that.
That was great. I met Chris Bledsoe in twenty twenty three,
in about February when he came here for Alien Con,
and I really connected with him and his book. And
what I liked about him was he had this religious background,
but he had this mystical experience and he was seeing

(50:16):
it as a positive thing, and so I thought that
was interesting to me. I reconnected with Von Smith with
Rebecca Hardcastle Wright. I worked with her in some coaching.
I discovered Caroline Corey and all of her work and
her great documentaries. I went to see her in some
conferences and then I was at church. I was like,

(50:39):
I go to church. It's in a tent. It's a
long story, but during COVID we had to move into
a big tent in the parking lot and we got
so big that we couldn't fit in our old building.
So we still have church and a tent. So I
was sitting in this spot where I could see the sky,
and it was before Alien Con and I was nervous
about going up there to do this talk. And I said,

(51:00):
I had my camera and I said, okay, this is
what I need. I need this before I go do
this and get back into this world. Officially, I said,
if you are working with any good beings in the UFOs,
I need a sign. Please please give me a sign.
And as soon as I made this prayer, I look

(51:20):
up and I see these four white orbs. I think
they're orbs. Maybe they're not, maybe they're birds. I don't know.
They were very very high up in the clouds, come
out and start flying around each other. And I got
a few seconds of it on video and I was

(51:43):
like showing everyone, you know, and people were pretty blown away.
Some people thought it was sphear, some people thought it
was birds. Chris Bledsoe looked at it and told me
he thought it was angels. So I don't know what
it was. But to me, it was a sign because
the way I figure it, even if it was birds,
the symbol of the Holy Spirit is the white bird,

(52:06):
and so I was like, even if it's white birds,
it's still a sign to me that Jesus was saying, yes,
I am working with some good beings into UFOs. And
that's how I interpreted it. So I could be wrong,
but that's how I interpreted it. So the latest thing
that happened to me was Chris had told me Camille,

(52:26):
they're angels and they've been working with you since you
were a little girl. Okay, Now that made sense to
me because I had had a regression with Barbara years
ago that was very wonderful. It wasn't scary. And what
it happened was is I had in nineteen ninety eight
before I went to England, or maybe ninety seven. I
know I had it before I went to England because

(52:48):
I told someone in England about it. But I had
this longing. I kept catching myself saying things like oh, humans,
this human's that, and I felt like I was aligning
myself with some beings that were not here, and I
identifying with them in some way. And I went to
Barbara and I said, Barbara, I had this longing for
these beings and I don't remember. Can we target that?

(53:10):
And she said yeah, So she puts me under hypnosis,
and I had this memory of this white hand with
the white robe, like touching me through my crib when
I was a child, and then taking the hand away
from me, and I felt all this separation, anxiety and crying.
And then the next memory I had was it was

(53:31):
like I was a sofa being stuffed into a pillowcase
and I had like a panic attack and I was screaming.
I was screaming, I don't want to be in this body.
It's so weak, and I just felt like I had
been stuffed into a body and I was panicking, and
she said, well, then go to a place where you
felt good. Go there, you know, And so then I

(53:53):
pop out and I'm out in space and I'm I'm
a blue light. I'm just a blue light, like a
sphere of blue. And I look out across space and
I see my friendly Cole and my friend John, and
they are blue lights. And I was crying with recognition
of seeing my friends in this form. And then I

(54:14):
looked and there was Earth spinning, and it seemed to
be spinning quickly, and it was causing me a lot
of anxiety and dread, like being on the edge of
a diving board. And I said, I don't want to
go to Earth. It's spinning, it's spinning. And Barbara said,
why do you have to go to Earth? And I said,
I don't know. And she said, what asks someone why
you have to go to Earth? And I asked. And

(54:35):
then these light beings appeared, these white light beings that
were like huge and not spheres. They were more like
human form with light all around them so that I
couldn't see their faces, but they had arms and legs
and some kind of white robes of light. And I
was crying with pure ecstasy in the presence of these things,

(54:56):
and I felt this meshing with them, and I was
I was saying things like they're my home, they're my family,
that's why I wear a white robe. I had a
white bathrobe I was talking about, and I just felt
this total oneness, this ecstatic pure love and pure knowledge

(55:19):
melding with these things, these these angel being whatever they were,
I don't know what they were. They were so beautiful
and energy wise. And when I asked them why did
I have to go to Earth, they said the Earth
needs you and I said why and they said to
fight evil. And I was like, oh, okay, what am
I supposed to do? And they said tell people that

(55:40):
we exist and that we love them. And I said, okay,
how am I supposed to do that? Like lecture about
it or they said no, in your acting and I
was like okay, but you know, most stuff that gets
made in Hollywood is crap. So they said, don't worry.
We will set it up so that you meet people
and make projects worthy of your time. And I was, okay,

(56:02):
that sounds amazing. Please, yes, please do it. And they
gave me this image of this light coming from a
central source through the universe through them, and then they
would point this light with their arms at Earth and
it would come out of their arms toward us on Earth.

(56:22):
But we were walking around with umbrellas and they couldn't
reach us, and they said, We're always here sending you
this love. You're just all walking around with umbrellas, and
it was this really beautiful image. So I had so
much joy in that regression, and I kept pushing them

(56:44):
on the acting. They said, the reason you have so
many different jobs. All my other jobs, like I was
catering and substitute teaching and doing all these weird jobs.
I was fux finishing, I was a painter. They said,
it's because you like talking to people and telling them
your story, but you'll be able to do it on
a much bigger scale in your acting. And it was like, okay.

(57:05):
So it was weird because when I came out of
the regression I was very happy. And my next acting
job was actually a short film in which it was
called The Encounter and it was about a man who
had an angelic encounter and I played his wife. So
that was really neat that it was the very next
film I did was about an angelic encounter. And then

(57:26):
I don't know, I mean, I hope that I will
do more projects that are, you know, beneficial to humanity,
because not everything I do is that way. Obviously, but
that is my goal, you know, and so we'll see
how that goes. I'm in this new thing right now
that just got formed. It's called Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, and

(57:47):
it's a networking group for UFO experiencers and experts to
work with Hollywood producers, directors and writers and others, you know,
publicist agents, things like that to create content, fiction and nonfiction,
content that pushes disclosure and helps the world understand this

(58:12):
phenomenon from stories based in truth that can be brought
to this networking group. Right So, I'm straddling both sides,
like I'm an actress and a UFO experiencer. And we
had our inaugural lunch. It was awesome last month at
Musso and Frank, this famous restaurant it's one hundred years

(58:33):
old in Hollywood. I was sitting next to this producer
who produced Hacksaw Ridge, and I was like, oh my god.
There was like some really big people in here. It
was so exciting because you know, being an abductee or
an experience or whatever you call yourself, it can be
so incredibly lonely. And even if you're in support groups,
which I was and I still am, where you meet others,

(58:54):
and you talk about all this and share stories in
the general public and with your family and your old
friends that you had before all this, it can be
so isolating and lonely, and you can feel like the
biggest weirdo in the family. And it's just been hard.
And now that disclosures really ramping up, there are so

(59:15):
many people like me that are so happy to be
able to talk about it more freely without being afraid
for the you know, the their income, their job security,
all that kind of thing. Like I was so excited
to see Goldie Han come out and talk about her
alien experiences. And I have the same birthday as Goldiehan.

(59:36):
And then fran Dresher, who's the head of SAG, who
played the Nanny, that actress, she had a UFO experience
and was abducted. So if the head of SAG and
if Goldie Han can talk about aliens, then so can I.
And I told my agent and I told my manager.
I said, look, you know, I was talking about this
in the nineties and doing interviews and then I kind

(59:58):
of stopped. And now I'm going back and I'm going
to be doing interviews and documentaries and just trying to
be a piece of the puzzle and be helpful in
this whole disclosure thing, because people need to be able
to feel comfortable to talk about it. I have the
advantage of being in a career where you know, as
long as you're responsible and you show up and do
the work, they're pretty forgiving about weirdness, right Like, look

(01:00:21):
at Shirley McLain, look at you know, all these crazy
actors who've had drug and alcohol problems. I've never had
a drug and alcohol problem, So you know, I show up,
I'm professionally, I do my job. It's just very exciting
and I'm really looking forward to the immediate future. I
think this is all definitely heading to a giant crescendo
of knowledge and information, and it may be scary as hell,

(01:00:44):
like what we learned might scare the hell out of
us and might really cause some problems in society for
a while as we go through this, but I mean,
bring it on. I'm so over the secrecy and the
wondering and i just want to know what is really
going on. And I want justice for those of us
who have had military shenanigans or whatever pseudo military I mean,

(01:01:09):
I say military, and I shouldn't say that, because I
don't know if it's really military or some other corporate
security something or other operation. I did ask my Navy
boyfriend once. I had an old boyfriend who was in
the Navy, and I lived with him one summer in Jacksonville,
and I remember him taking me to see the F
eighteens because he worked on the F eighteens and this

(01:01:30):
was before nine to eleven when you could bring your
girlfriend on the base and everything. And so I called
him up and I said, Steve, Oh my gosh, Okay,
I gotta ask you because I just found out I'm
an alien abductee and I just met this Navy guy
who's telling me the Navy's involved, and so do you
know anything like why did they take people? Like who

(01:01:51):
did they pick?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Why me? And he said to me on the phone,
he said, all I know is they take people who
are very pure. And I thought that was such a
weird thing to say. What did that mean? He didn't elaborate,
and you know, he and I were lovers. I know
he didn't mean sexually pure. I don't know what he meant,
but it was a very weird thing for him to say.

(01:02:14):
And you know, all of us that have this experience,
we go through that ym why me, and we try
to figure it out. Is it because of my blood type?
Is it because of my DNA, my lineage? You know,
I had read that a lot of people of Irish
descent have this, and I have Irish descent. You know,
you hear about the negative blood type I have that
I have the rahe negative blood type. So I don't know.

(01:02:37):
All I know is it seems to be from my
mother's side of the family. I asked my mom once
if she'd ever had any weird things and she said, well,
I was meditating once and I felt these two claws
on my shoulder and I was like, okay, that counts.
That's helpful. Thank you for that information. And then I
had the NASA uncle, her brother, and then my grandmother

(01:02:57):
that I adored, who partially raised me. When she was
in the hospital when she was really old, she saw
aliens in the hospital and got so upset they had
to call her Presbyterian minister to pray with her. And
I remember the family got all mad at me and
they said, you should have never told her about your
alien stuff, because now she's hallucinating aliens At the hospital

(01:03:18):
and I said, you know, I don't know what that was.
She was probably on medication. Maybe the veil was lifted
because of what drugs they had are on and she
could see stuff. I don't know, or maybe it wasn't
drug induced, you know, but I have this suspicionage through
my mother's side of the family. So who knows.

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Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I guess you know, I just wanted to talk more
about all these weird clues along the way, you know,
like that girl that said her dad worked for the NSA,
and all that I do know that I have this gift.
People ask abductees a lot of times like do you
have psychic abilities? Do you have the ability to heal? People?

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Did they activate some kind of an ability with you?
The only thing I've discovered about myself in that manner
is I have this ability to find other abductees in
the room. We find each other and we talk, and
I can go to a party and find the person
in the room that's had this experience. And that has

(01:05:17):
caused me to believe that this experience is very common. Now,
I don't know if that's my imagination because I just
happened to vibrate towards the person in the room that
had the experience. It just seems to me like there
are a lot of people. Because I open my big mouth,
I hear their stories back, and they would have never
told me their story if I hadn't said something first.

(01:05:40):
Another interesting thing, when I first went back to the
church in Tucson, this one church, not the Latin Mask,
but this other one that I had first gone back to,
and I went to confession and I was telling the
priest everything in confession, and he told me to slow
down and not go so fast with my plans to

(01:06:01):
you know, go back to church and everything. And I
remember wondering why he told me that, And then I
remember contacting this guy, brother, guy Consulmago at the Vatican
Observatory in Tucson and telling him, you know, my understanding
that the Vatican was very interested in the subject matter,
and that as an abductee, I had come to this

(01:06:23):
theory that aliens were demons and I wanted to go
back to the Church and all this, and he told
me I was on the right track, which is interesting
because the Vatican has been very interested in all this.
Now they're an organization. They want self preservation and they're
going to shape the narrative to preserve themselves and their doctrine.

(01:06:44):
You know, there's a very interesting book that came out
by doctor Paul Thigpen, who is a Catholic writer, and
it came out last year published by Tan Publishing, which
is a Catholic publisher, and it was all about the
extraterrestrial reality and the Catholic Church. How does the Church
say about those do about this. It's a very good book. Actually,
I don't have the exact title. But I should have it.

(01:07:04):
But anyway, doctor Paul Thigpan th hig Pn, you can
look it up. So even though the Catholic Church has
believed me its own problems with corruption and you know,
pedophilia and everything else, they have done a lot of
wonderful things and they are very open minded about the subject,
I will say, so, I guess they're like their perspective is,

(01:07:28):
if there are aliens from other planets, how do they
fit into the redemption narrative? If Jesus redeems the sinners
on Earth who had original sin with Adam and Eve,
how does that apply to other beings on other worlds
where they didn't have Adam and Eve et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. So that's a very interesting thing to ponder.

(01:07:49):
But there were mystics throughout time. Swedenborg he wasn't Catholic,
but he was a mystic that talked to beings on
other worlds. The Mormons believe in other worlds. There are
a lot of religions that incorporate beings from other worlds,
the Hindu religion, the Muslim religion. So I think it
doesn't have to totally destroy religion. But I think the

(01:08:12):
religions are going to have to assimilate this disclosure reality.
Whether these beings are from other worlds that are in
space or other worlds that are in other dimensions. Either way,
they're going to have to deal with the non human
entity reality that they have the ability to categorize as

(01:08:35):
angelic or demonic or something else, neflin whatever. So I
think the way religion handles this is going to be
very interesting. Another thing that happened in my childhood that
made me think, Wow, what an amazing synchronicity is. I
had my first job at an ice cream shop called
Swanson's with a girl who was very smart, and her

(01:08:57):
father was a professor at the Universe of Southwestern Louisiana,
where I eventually went to college in Lafayete, Louisiana, and
he was famous because he had discovered Planet X. This guy,
her dad, John Matisse m at E s E. And
I knew that about him. This was in the eighties
and I knew that about him. I knew he was

(01:09:19):
famous for that, But I wasn't into aliens or space
or anything back then. So now I think back and
I'm like, what if Planet X is coming? What if
Niberu and all that is happening, And what if these
elites that are trying to wrangle us into this tyrannical world,
this wef transhumanist enslavement. What if they're doing that because

(01:09:39):
they know that something's coming, that they're trying to strategize
for themselves and take out a lot of us and
slave the rest before it happens, like if it's a
rogue planet, a comet, some kind of you know, disaster
related thing, extinction level event kind of a thing. So
I don't know, I don't know what's happening. All I
know is that I went to this girl, Mary Mattisa's

(01:10:03):
house and her dad was John Matiz, who discovered planet X.
So I think that's really cool. So I just really
feel like my whole life has been putting this puzzle
together and I didn't even know it until I look back.
Another influential person I met was David Ike in nineteen
ninety seven. I guess he came to LA to speak

(01:10:24):
at an expo. I think it was the Whole Life
Expo back then, and I didn't know who he was,
and I was volunteering there at a table and he
came up the stairs on this mezzanine level of the hotel,
and he had such a presence when he walked up
the stairs, and I mean he didn't even speak. He
just entered the room and I was, Oh, my god,

(01:10:46):
who is that person. It's like he had an invisible
army with him. And he went over to the speaker
check in table and I couldn't hear what was happening.
But when he walked away, I went over there and
I said, who was that guy? Who was that guy?
And they said, David Ike, He's given a talk in
such and such a room. And I said, can I
be the room monitor in there? And they said okay,
and they signed me up to be the room monitor.
So I was the one checking people's tickets or wristbands

(01:11:09):
or whatever. And I got to watch him do his
presentation and he had this book out and The Truth
Shall Set You Free. That was the book he was
promoting at the time, and I was blown away by
him and I got the book and then you know,
that blew my mind. So it was about the Reptilians
and all that. And then later I through UFO magazine,

(01:11:30):
I got to interview Arizona Wilder, who was one of
the people David Iike mentioned as being a survivor of
Satanic ritual abuse. And she and I met in this
park in Malibu, Las Virgines Park and we sat at
a picnic table and I interviewed her, and I remember
I was so scared of her because of her story.

(01:11:52):
It was just so terrifying, and I was like, I
don't really want to be alone with this poor lady
in this park, you know. I mean, I just I
really didn't want her story to be true, because if
it was true, it was so terrifying. I don't even
think I wrote the article. I think I just interviewed
her and I wasn't brave enough, or maybe the magazine
wasn't brave enough to do the article. I've just met

(01:12:12):
so many interesting people through this phenomena, living here in
la and then when I was in Arizona as well.
But we will have to see how it all shakes out.
I at this point, I'm busy acting. I'm busy, you know,
helping my husband with the astrology business. And I still
go to church once in a while, not as regularly,

(01:12:34):
and I still pray, and I just am waiting. I'm waiting,
and I'm speaking. I'm looking for answers like everyone else,
and I really do think it's coming to a head.
So I wish us all the best. The latest experience
I've had was Chris Bledsoe saying, Kamie, why don't you
just say, Dear God, I'm willing to work with your

(01:12:56):
angels and see what happens. And so I went outside
and I just looked at the sky and I it
was at night, and I was praying, Okay, God, I'm
I think I'm brave enough to work with your angels,
but not anything scary, just like the light beings. Please,
and I said, and I'm so scared. You can show
up as a UFO or come to me in my dreams,

(01:13:16):
but if you come to me in my face right
here in the yard, I think I'll have a heart attack.
So please don't do that right now. And I heard
this owl hooting, and owls figure a lot in this
phenomenon as messengers and screen memories and all kinds of things.
That night, I went to bed and I was trying
to sleep, but I couldn't sleep because Jeff was keeping

(01:13:37):
me awake. So I went into the guest room and
I was sleeping in there, and I woke up from
this dream. I was having a dream where something was
in the bed in the guest room with me touching
my neck, poking at my neck, and I thought, Oh
my god, are they here? And I was afraid, and
I was too afraid to turn around look. I was

(01:13:59):
facing in the closet and the way they were touching
me was like a doctor, wasn't like sexual. And I said,
oh my god, are you here to heal me. If
you are, that's great, And when you're done, could you
go down the hall and heal Jeff. You know I mean,
because we're both you know, I'm in my late fifties,
he's in his early sixties. We got some ailments, nothing big.

(01:14:21):
But and then in this memory, I got brave enough
to turn around and look at whoever was touching my neck.
And when I turned around, I saw these two guys,
like humans, with dark hair and beards, and they were Caucasian.
They stared at me blankly, like, with no emotion. And

(01:14:42):
then I came out of the memory, or I woke
up or whatever, and so I don't know what that was,
but it was weird. And I remember texting Chris the
next day and saying, Chris, do you think that was real?
Because you know it was right after I made that prayer,
And he said, it does seem like it might be real.
Bea because you slept in the guest room, Like maybe

(01:15:04):
they caused the disturbance that made you go in the
guest room so that they could have you alone and
work on you. I was like, yeah, maybe, I don't know.
It was weird anyway, So I don't know what's in
store for me. I'm coming out in a couple of
documentaries this I guess early twenty twenty four, one with

(01:15:24):
Caroline Corey called Closure, and one is a new show
for the CW called The Alien Disclosure Files. You know,
I have some acting stuff on them going on as well.
And then I'm also going to be in a new
show with dan Akroyd on the History Channel just as
a reenactor. I got hired to do a couple of

(01:15:44):
reenactment segments on this new show called The Unbelievable with
dan ackroid They pick interesting subjects that were mysterious and
they reenact them. So anyway, I'm going to be in
a couple of those. But I just keep acting and
I know that I'm booked in a series about fighting
child trafficking, which is really awesome. So I hope that
that gets going soon because everything was on hold due

(01:16:05):
to the strike. So there are some things coming up
that are amazing projects that I'll be involved with if
everything goes well and happens. I just keep trying to
do my mission here, which is to be a communicator.
I guess I just am going to use my acting
and my speaking ability to tell my story or be
in projects that tell stories, you know, be useful in

(01:16:29):
that way because that seems to be what I do.
I don't know what else to do. I don't have
a science brain. I have an artist brain.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Fascinating stuff, Camille, Thank you so many strange connections.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Well, that's what I think is the most interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
You know, when we talk about military abductions. Now obviously
it's known as my Labs Mill Labs Military abductions, and
a lot of time we're not really talking about the
military in general, but it's more to do of contractors
and off the record projects, right, because it is something

(01:17:05):
which turns up time again in plenty of my guests,
and there is a very dark side to it. It's
interesting that you said about a dream that you had
back in nineteen ninety one at the rock Star House. Yeah,
you don't remember if it actually was a rock star
or No.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
It wasn't any rock star that was an actual person
that I knew from pop culture or anything. It just
seemed to be a generic representation of a rock star.
I wouldn't say that it was anyone I would recognize
as a person in real life.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting. It's just
very strange that we have this connection with the my labs,
with the alien abductions, with the human abductions, and we
have this connection to Satanism, which is something which comes
up time and time again. It's very peculiar, and it's
something which isn't talked about enough. I don't think, you know,

(01:18:01):
when people hear it, they kind of making it up,
making it up. But unfortunately, this is something which happens,
and it's been happening for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
That's why I bring it up, because even though I
have no conscious memory of being involved in anything like that,
that one dream was so disturbing and it had that
physical effect on my you know, feeling like I was
being attacked spiritually through my solar plexus, and then you
read about all this stuff going on in the world
and you're like, oh my god, that's really scary, you know,

(01:18:29):
and it seems to be real, and you know, you
hear rumors about all these things being related. That's what's
scared me the most about the my lab memory because
it just when you bring in the human element, it's
just frightening to think that anyone could have control over
your life and compartmentalize your life in a way that

(01:18:50):
you don't remember things, because that opens up such a
huge can of worms.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
It's terrifying, you know, when it comes to aliens, something
you can you can kind of work with, but you're
when you add in the human element, it seems to
be that they're taking so much more these people, which
in these positions they should be the one protecting you. Yeah,
pay your tax dollars too, they're supposed to looking after you,
looking at the security. They seem to be doing this
on the nation's people. Yeah, it's scary because then of

(01:19:16):
course it brings into the whole mk ulture of mind control,
and then that in turns connects to child trafficking and
in human trafficking.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Yeah, exactly, and you know, to me, I see the
human trafficking problem as the greatest, well one of there's
so many now, it's like you can't even stack them
all in order of evil. But that's so massive. Oh,
here's another weird thing that relates to that. Right. So
I was going to this church, the Latin Mass here

(01:19:44):
in La at this church. We were in another building
now in the tent, you know, but before that, we
were at the church in West Hollywood as kind of
a guest organization in their building. Okay, So the director
of Sound of Freedom and the actor in Sound Freedom
who plays the wealthy guy who finances the sting operation

(01:20:06):
in other words, Alejandro Monteverde, who's the director, and Eduardo Veresteggi.
I think that's how you say his last name. He's
the actor who's now running for president of Mexico. Eduardo is.
They both were going to my church sometimes and I
met them and talked about Sound of Freedom when they
were filming it, and I was so excited about it,

(01:20:28):
and you know, I knew that was real as a problem.
I had been following Operation Underground Rescue, Tim Ballard and
all that, and I just I was so excited for them,
and then the movie took so long once they filmed
it to come out. You know, there were all these
problems with getting it out into the world, and I'm
so happy when it finally came out. And I remember too,

(01:20:49):
this is a funny story, when I was doing when
COVID hit and everything shut down, right, I was onto that,
Like I knew from the beginning. I was like, this
is some kind of scam, right, I'm not afraid of this,
and I wouldn't get there, you know what. And I
went out and I was I was like, I'm not
going to sit in my house and be afraid. I'm
going to go work. So I got a job doing
door dash, like delivering food, right because I was like,

(01:21:10):
I literally cannot sit in my house and do nothing.
I'm gonna go crazy. So I was delivering food to
people in this nice part of town, Thousand Oaks, and
there are a lot of wealthy people out there, and
it's really pleasant and beautiful and you know, it's easy
to park and everything. So I knew Jim Cavizl lived
out there. I knew Gary Sonicsee lived out there, and
I was like, you know, my dream is I'm going

(01:21:31):
to deliver some kind of food to Gary SNEeSe or
Jim Cavizel. That's gonna that's my goal while I'm doing
this crazy job. My gee. So one day I'm driving
around delivering food and I see this guy on the
side of the road next to a motorcycle and he's
talking on this phone and I look. I mean, I
drive and I look and I'm like, oh my god,
I'm God, my God, my god. And it was Jim Cavizel.

(01:21:51):
It was Jim Covizel standing on the side of the
road talking on the phone next to a motorcycle. And
I remember thinking that is too weird. And I went
home and I googled. I googled Jim Covizel in motorcycle
and all these pictures came up, and sure enough he
rides motorcycles and I was like, yep, that was him.
And then I ended up bringing a pizza to Gary
Sinize's house. It was like, see, I'm able to manifest

(01:22:16):
meeting these people that I like. I've met sting many times.
Anytime I get really attracted to some person and I
want to meet them, I meet them. I've met Mel Gibson,
I've met Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise, anyone that I
met Rutger Howard, like Shirley McClain. All these people that
I would have a thing for and be very interested in,
I would meet them. So it's just interesting. The power

(01:22:38):
of intention is real. And that's what I'm trying to learn,
is like to not be in fear and to change
my vibration and all this and you know, vibrate a
better reality for myself. That's what I'm working on. It's
really hard because my nature is very detective, like, and
you know, I'm always looking on dark stuff, but I'm
trying to control my thoughts. Like I have to balance

(01:22:59):
all this dark stuff, right, I mean, don't we all? Golly?
So I have to go and like listen to you know,
positive music and go out in nature a lot and
stuff like that, go to the gym because otherwise, I mean,
it's just crazy times that we're living in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
You know, I think we're more in control of our
realities than we realize. I think we end up we
have a habit of boxing ourselves in. We are capable
of so much.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
More we are, And it's just been a wild ride.
I mean, every even all the little jobs I had,
you know, like catering. I would be working in these
mansions and these big Hollywood parties and seeing all this stuff,
and I was I was coming out at like a
conspiracy theorist, right. Every time I would be in a situation.
I did presidential dinners. I had to follow Chelsea Clinton
around with a silver tray with the Diet seven up

(01:23:45):
on it. For two days. I was in the room
with Clinton, all these people and Clinton and Kevin Spacey
at Rob Reiner's house by the way. So you know,
I was like always thinking like a David Ike reader.
I'd be in some house with some fancied and I'm like,
oh my god, he's got a Masonic black and white
checkerboard floor, and he's got this, and he's got that,

(01:24:05):
and look at his book. I was such a spy.
I was just always like keeping my eyes open, putting
together the pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
You know, you work in Hollywood, and you know it's
known as being hollyweired. Yeah, do you find because you
are an outsider because you weren't born you weren't born
in California, and he weren't born in that and he
weren't born into it, Right, do you think it's it's
different for you. Do you do you notice that strangeness.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I have heard stories. I mean, even if you're not
born into it, if you come here and you climb
the ladder, you know, eventually you get approached by the cult. Basically,
It's what I keep hearing, and I'm like, I don't
want to ever get to that point. I don't want
to be so famous that I get roped into the cult,
you know what I mean. I don't mind being a
very low level actor for that reason. I've I talked

(01:24:50):
to a makeup artist girl who said that she's been
approached several times to literally sign a paper to sell
her soul for a product line, and turned him down.
So you know, I don't ever want anyone bringing me
to some party and drugging me and getting me to
sign a paper to sell my soul. Right, So I'm
very cautious about my career. I guess it's the best

(01:25:14):
way I can put it, and I do try to,
you know, be savvy about things like that, because I
would rather, you know, quit, move away than get myself
in any kind of situation like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Obviously, of course, I mean, I'm friends with che Luff
and I've asked him, but he won't talk about anything
like that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Well, that's very interesting. He's such a fine actor and
he's you know, he had this father from Louisiana, where
I'm from, and then he just he played Padre Pio
and had this big Catholic conversion. So I'm very interested
in him. I really loved his film Honeyboy. It was
very moving, so quite spectacular. Actually, so that's interesting that

(01:25:57):
you know him. So, you know, I try to find
people that I think are good people and contact them
or get to know them. I mean, like sitting next
to this guy in this meeting at the Hollywood Disclosure
Alliance and finding out he, you know, he produced Taxaw Ridge.
I was like, wow, I love mel Gibson. That's great. Wow,

(01:26:18):
you know, and even saying you love Mel Gibson is
like a you know, could get you canceled in this town.
So it's just very complicated as you could imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Yeah, no, I agree. Actually, when you're in the UK,
you were in Wiltshire, and now that is just that's
just ten miles away from from where I'm from. I
spent time down in Wiltshire because when I was researching
back in the mid nineties. We would go down to
the crop circles down there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
It was so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Yeah, Gloucestershire a lovely part of the world. And as
for Sting, now, I had a guest on and he
was a photographer in La tell me about when he
was working with Sting and all that kind of stuff.
And we were recording on Skype like we are now
and finished and none of this stuff is is connected
up to my Facebook or my phone or anything. And
then for the next week all I got was adverts

(01:27:07):
for Police albums and Sting albums and you name it.
That's so weird, it's so strange, just goes to show
the mic on your phone.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Well, you know. And I'm so paranoid about mind control
and CIA and everything. Like even knowing that Stuart Copeland's
brother and father were in the CIA in the Middle
East and he grew up in the Middle East made
me wonder. When I read Preston Nichols book about using
mind control through music and the music industry, Yeah, it

(01:27:35):
made me think, I wonder if they put mind control
frequencies in the Police albums to make me fall in
love with seeing and buy more records. But you know,
when you know that they can do that, then it
makes you wonder, like, has that been done for this
band that has CIA connections? It makes you wonder that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Is true and it wouldn't surprise me. But then again,
you know, please were a great band.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Exactly, So you're like, were they just awesome or do
they have an extra advantage in some kind of secret technology?
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Well, I'm sure you know a lot of these musicians
they do try an experiment with different things to see
how they can, you know, kind of get a foothold.
I'd imagine who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
I just don't trust anything. I have such trust issues,
it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Oh, you don't need to tell me. And there is
certainly an interest with abductees contact ees. I think a
lot of it is they want to know how and
why people are being connected with extrastrials or interdimensions or whatever.
There is definitely a big interest. So when it comes
to all this disclosure, it's very strange because if we
have full disclosure, then obviously this stuff will eventually come

(01:28:39):
out because there's only so long that truth can be hidden.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Right, And what I wonder is, well, you know they're
always going to shape the narrative in some way, and
will we ever get the real truth? And will we
ever have justice for people who were criminally acted upon?
Because it would be nice. I mean, if I'm on
a list as a my lab target and that list
is discovered and there's some kind of class action, that
would be really nice, just saying to have justice.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
You know, I completely agree with you. The biggest problem
is in what you see in with Epstein and all that.
You know, the reason why it's not coming out is
because there's too many people involved, and these people they
have so much control, they're able to control what goes out,
so very strange.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Times, very strange, very interesting times, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
You've done with yourself. You know, it's important that people
come out and share these experiences because there is so
many there is, there is so many. I can't personally
keep up. And the more people come out then that
brings you know, I'd have a guest on and I'd
then bring another five people out. You know, I heard
so and so on on the show. You know, now
I'm ready. Just yesterday I got contacted by a woman
and she was very nervous. And it's been nearly a

(01:29:44):
year and a half since you first contacted me. And
she said, the more I hear, the more you know,
I want to I want to come forward.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Well, I was just talking to a girl before I
got on the on the call with you, because she
happened to calm me because she's has interesting stories and
things happening to her in Kentucky. And I was telling
I said, you should check out this podcast I'm about
to do because they have a form where you can
submit yourself to be a guest, and you know, could
do it and you don't have to be on camera.
You could even use a fake name, I guess if

(01:30:11):
you want, if you're that nervous, because she hasn't ever
gone public, but she's a nurse and so yeah, so
I can tell her that that she can go onto
your form and put in a submission to be a guest.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Absolutely. I mean, I'm not on YouTube for obvious reasons.
The reason why I use predominant audio is because it
gives people a chance to share it and not have
to worry about what their friend's family or even peers
finding out. Because I do have a lot of people
from that have scientific backgrounds and have some very professional
careers which are completely indifferent from this subject. It's more

(01:30:44):
important that we hear these accounts. Sometimes we do change
names than it makes people feel a little bit more
more comfortable, you know, the more the area great.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
I'll tell her how fun it was, and that it's,
you know, something she can do if she gets brave
and wants to do it. And I'll tell others too,
you know, I go all these support groups and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Yeah, please do that. Because you're very confident and open person,
people gravitate towards you. And then when you'll share anyse
stories and then they bring out their stories. I'm fortunate
because I can go to a barbecue or a bar whatever,
and then someone asked me what I do, and I
tell them, and then before I know it, that then
telling me about their experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
See, so it will have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Yeah, so I tell people, you know, don't worry about
people looking at you like a crazy person. Talk to
people about it. In fact, we know, the first time
you meet someone, say to him, you know, have you
ever seen a UFO or a ghost? Yeah, you'll be
surprised what people will tell you exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Yeah. I should have my husband do a show because
he's seen a lot of UFOs, he had telepathic encounters
with them. He was chased by one on his motorcycle
that stalled his motorcycle and he had to sleep at
the neighbors and then the next day it started up fine.
He used to see them coming out of lakes in
Wisconsin when he was a kid. He grew up at
Way northern Wisconsin, and he saw Bigfoot up there too once.

(01:31:58):
So he's seen a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Yeah, wel Camille, you know I don't just cover UFOs.
I cover just about everything.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
You give Jeff that link and when he's got time, Camille,
I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Oh I had a wonderful time. Thank you so much.
It was great. Bye bye bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Take care yourself. That is all for this week. Keep
updating and connected with a show on x, Facebook and Instagram.
And if you've had an encounter that you'd like to
share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO
Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out
to me via the contact page on my website UFO
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Camille

(01:32:40):
for sharing tonight, and as always, thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
and keep watching us guys. Goodbye, S

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