Ep.258 It Was Terrifying / Fort Bragg (Throwback)

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Speaker 6 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
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Speaker 5 (01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're
all doing well. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the
UFO Chronicles podcast. Our first guest tonight is Ryan in Arizona,
sharing a couple with his body experiences. Ryan had a
terrifying experience after hitting his head on the bathtub. He
passed out and remembers traveling at insane speeds in some

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sort of weird, colorful tunnel. Then we move on to
Angela in North Carolina sharing her story. She's a survivor
of child abuse, was kidnapped and illegally adopted into a
military CIA family. Ryan is up next, but first, if
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(03:02):
Hello Ryan, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Hey Nick, how are you doing.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
I'm doing pretty good. Thank you. It's great to have
you with us. And you're calling from the state of Arizona.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Two on Arizona.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Two s on Arizona. Great stuff. Okay, now, Ryan, you
have a bit of a strange experiences to share. Would
you like to start the beginning please, sir?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I have about, you know, for what I consider to
be out of body experiences. I don't know if they
really are or not. I just know they're very strange
things that have happened to me. I think i'll talk
about two of them today. The first one it happened
to me when I was about nineteen years old, so
that was around nineteen ninety nine. I might have been twenty,
It's kind of hard to remember at this point. But

(03:46):
I was working for my grandmother. It's a summer, I
was home from college, and this job required me to
get up really early. Not much of a morning person,
so you know, getting up at five am was super
tough for me. And uh so, I you know, I
got up, it was very groggy, very out of it.
I went to, you know, take a shower to kind

(04:07):
of wake myself up. So I turned on the shower
and I was waiting for the water to warm up. Decided,
you know, I just sit here on the toilet and
they've used the bathroom while I'm waiting for this shower
to warm up.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Did that nick can out kind of I'm just in
total darkness, kind of found myself in a in a
completely dark place. And then I was hearing a ringing sound,
very high pitched ringing sound. And then all of a sudden,
this insanely fast wall. I call it like a wall

(04:46):
of colors and lines. You know, if you imagine a
drawing of a city skatee and and it's drawn on
a wall, and then there's just every color you can
imagine kind of spray painted on it, and they We're
all going past the left side of my face, and
as if like someone pushed my head up against the wall,

(05:07):
so it's like right on my eyeball.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I made a post on Reddit a few years ago
where I drew this and I posted it there and okay,
so that's going past my face. I'm talking like a
thousand miles an hour. It was so fast and really
really scary. You know, this wasn't fun at all. And
that ringing sound as this is speeding up, you know,
it's like I was going through some sort of tunnel.

(05:31):
I was like shot through kind of thing. That's what
it felt like. And the ringing kept growing louder and louder,
to the point where it was the loudest sound I've
ever heard, even to this day. It was in my
ear kind of loud. And then the sound started to
change from being this high pitched sound to this really

(05:53):
sort of digital, choppy sound. And you know, I found
a few examples online that are floats. The closest thing
I've found is actually in the movie The Matrix, whenever
Neo takes the Red Pill and he touches that mirror
and that metal kind of goes all around his arm
and into his mouth and he starts the scream, it
makes that really digital sort of sound. That's the closest

(06:17):
I've found to what it sounded like.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
And so that just kept.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Getting louder and louder and louder, vibrating my whole being
to the point where I was just screaming in terror
and just woke me up. And I found myself on
the floor of the bathroom in the weirdest position ever.
I mean, I couldn't do it if I tried. I'm

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surprised he didn't break my neck. My neck was bent down
and my chin was dug deep into my chest, and
I was resting kind of on the back of my
head on the floor, and I had a giant knot
on my forehead, so apparently, and bunked my head on
the bathtub, and just you know, I had felt like

(07:03):
I had kind of gone to Hell or something, and
all of a sudden, I found myself on the floor
of the bathroom. It was a really scary experience. I
ended up going to the doctor that morning. The doctor
said that apparently it's somewhat common for men to to
faint sometimes in the morning when they use the restaurant.
I'd never heard that before, but hey, it happened to

(07:24):
my uncle. He told me that happened to him too,
So so yeah, that's the that's the first experience that
I had. I you know, I kind of revisited all
that in my mind when I started hearing a lot
of stories about DMT and people that you know, would
have DMT trips, and they were explaining things. I'm like, man,
that sounds just like what I experienced, at least the

(07:47):
first part of a d MT trip. Where people say
they travel through some sort of thing, you know, they
say it's really scary if you're not ready for it,
you might snap out of it. And then they would
you hear these digital sounds, and so I'm like, well, weird.
So I started looking that up and then I'm like, oh,
my gosh, I wonder if maybe I had some sort
of internal DMT trip or something by banging my head

(08:11):
on the bathtub. I have no idea, but it definitely
was an experience. So that's one. Another one happened earlier
on in my life. I was about eight years old
and I was playing with my friend. We were when
we had found his mom's letter opener that looked like
a tiny little sword. It's really cool, and we said, oh,

(08:32):
let's throw the letter opener at stuff. So we were
throwing it at a box that he had in his room,
and you know, the box kept falling over, and then
my eight year old infinite wisdom, I was like, oh,
I know, I'll hold the box that way. We don't
have to keep picking the box up and all that.
So I held the box and on the first row,

(08:54):
the letter opener's sword went right through the box and
right into my wrist, and so I had to kind
of pull it out. And you know, I was eight
years old. So I was freaking out, couldn't find his mom.
So I said, okay, I'll just get on my bike
and i'll ride home and I'll tell my mom. And
so I rode my bike home. It was about a

(09:14):
block or so, and I go into the kitchen and
I told my mom Daniel stabbed to me. And then
I fainted. And this part of the story she's told
me because I don't recall this, but she said, I
just fell onto the kitchen floor. I wasn't bleeding from
the room. Strangely, I had a lot of eight year

(09:36):
old baby fat, I guess, and it sort of was
bubbling out of the cut. Sorry to be gross there.
And next thing I know, from my point of view,
I found myself floating in our living room. We had
the really tall ceilings in our living room, about two
stories high, and I was up way up high above

(09:57):
the ceiling fan even and I was looking down and
I saw myself on our pouch, laying there by myself
with my arms crossed, kind of like you know you
see people in a coffin, which is very strange. And
I was just floating around, looking around, like what is happening?
And and then I heard my mom's voice in my head,

(10:22):
screaming my name, and so that was scary for me
to hear, you know, hearing the fear in her voice.
So then I started floating down to my body, went
into my body, And the second I went into my body,
I woke up and my mom was actually right on
top of me, and I was on the couch in

(10:42):
the living room, and her face was right in front
of min bawling, crying. It turns out she had had
to give me mouth to mouth. She said, I had
stopped breathing. Very strange. And yeah, that's the two stories
I I told him. Yeah, very strange, you know. I
you know, the fact that I didn't see my mom
when I was floating, you know, it does kind of

(11:04):
make me think it was just all in my head.
I don't know, but yeah, very peculiar. And it's you know,
I've always been fascinated with all these other stories I hear.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
And you said, you from from the seating fan, you
saw yourself on the couch with your arms crossed. And
imagine if you passed out and your mum had put
you on the couch and she she would have crossed
your arms before, you know, attempting to resuscitate you.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, I asked my mom actually a couple of days ago,
to make sure, you know, I was remembering things, you know,
that she had told me, and she said she didn't
recall crossing my arms. And when I woke up, I
don't remember my arms being crossed.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
So, you know, very weird, correct, and all that from
just from just a little letter open I know.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, I still have the scar on my arm.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
These aren't the only two occasions you've experienced something like this,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I've had two other ones that you know, I can
kind of briefly talk about. I didn't plan on talking
about them. They're a bit more personal, but in general,
one of them, I found myself. This was in college
and in my dorm room, and I was having a
really personal moment of crisis and found myself in deep

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prayer for the first time, a real prayer to God,
and I felt myself floating above my bed, and I
felt a tingling sensation all over my whole body, as
if God were comforting me and hugging me, and I
immediately fell asleep. So that's a very general quick version there.

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And then another time there was another another moment where
I was having a just called a panic attack, and
someone had had prayed for me in that moment, and
I felt like I was being pulled into the ground,
into the floor by It felt evil, no other way
to say it. And the moment that I was prayed for,

(13:02):
I instantly pulled back into my body and all my
negative feelings instantly went away. And that definitely was an
experience though too.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
Are you religious?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Old Yes, I'm Christian, okay.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
And any family members of that experienced anything very simi
as it is.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
You know, my mom once when my grandmother died. Uh,
it was my mom was with her when she passed,
and she said a few minutes after she passed, she
went out to the to the car to get something.
And I'll explained this. So she was in the front
driver's you know, she opened the driver's seat car door

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and was leaning in to get something, and she said
the back door behind the driver's seat swung open and
bumped her. And she's always felt that that was that
was my grandmother kind of giving her a message like
hey I'm here. Very strange moment, but we all actually
kind of comfort in that, right.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah. Sure, it seems like You're very like, you're very
able to just go somewhere else. You see what I mean.
You're very easy to slip in and out.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I'm I'm a creative person,
that's my profession, and I'm to find myself pretty open
to to the weirdness that maybe in the world. In reality,
I'm fascinated, but always have been, which is why I
love your podcast.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
That is what it's all about. You know, your your
first experience. I don't think I've ever heard that before,
where you know, where someone gets up very early in
the morning. I've been there when I was a teenager'
getting up far too early and you know, you go
pee and then you lose you lose consciousness or whatever.
Since you know, since you've contact him, I have kind
of looked it up, and it is a little bit

(14:52):
of a common thing for men get up too early, yeah,
and go to pee, you know, still have asleep. It's
very f strange when to go on a little journey
like that because I've been you know, I've fainted, I've
been knocked unconscious before plenty of times, but I've never
experienced anything because I don't remember anything, you know, But
you seem to have gone on like a like a
little journey of sorts.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's true. Yeah, it certainly felt like I was going
somewhere and I was somewhere. I didn't feel like I
was just in my head. But you know, I don't know,
but it felt like we're sharing, and hey, maybe maybe
one of your listeners knows a lot more about that.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yeah, what I'll do is because you you know, you've
You've given me an image there and some sounds. So
what I do is I'll leave I'll put them on
the website underneath this episode. I won't play the sounds now,
just in case people are driving, but I'll put them
on the website and people can go and have a
look and see if they, you know, experience anything very similar.
You know that don't necessarily have to, you know, have

(15:50):
fainted or anything like that, but maybe people have. Like
you said, you are very creative and creative people, they're
wired a little bit a little bit different. It could
be something maybe related to that. Yeah, yeah, you know,
because creative people they have you know, a whole world
inside their brains, you know, creativity and stuff. This is
all coming from someone that's not creative. How you can

(16:11):
barely draw a stick man, but to see those colors
and to hear those sounds and the digital sounds is
very peculiar.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, I mean know, I don't know if I mentioned this,
but the colors were also very They were so bright
and so rich. There were colors that I don't really
normally see, if ever really and so that was really
strange and kind of frightening too. Like I said that,
the one that you know wasn't like a d MT

(16:42):
trip was not fun. You know, it wasn't at all
something I'd ever want to do again. But yeah, I
can remember it like it was yesterday.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
I know it was a while ago. Now, would you
have any idea how long you're right for?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I have absolutely no clue. But I mean, if I
were to give a rough guess, no, I have no idea.
It could have been two seconds. It could have been
five minutes. I have no idea. But I will say
that in the experience alone, it felt like maybe a minute.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Did you all just see and hear this from your eyes?
You didn't, You didn't see your body in this place
or anything like that?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, No, I had nobody, no, Ok.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
All, right, to our listeners, if this sounds familiar to you.
Get in contact and you see if anyone else has
had anything very similar to what Ryan has, it's an
unusual one, and it's it's very it's obviously very strange
to you, because else you wouldn't have gotten in contact.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, and you know, it is comforting that, you know,
when I started to hear about GMT, and like I said,
and I started to read those stories, oh my gosh,
other people have had those that same experience as me.
And in a way it's comforting, of course, you know.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
You know, I have had a couple of episodes that
have been kind of drug related, whether it's a person's
experience or they have had drug problems over the years.
This place where people go to on on DMT. You know,
obviously it's a place whether you get there via the
use of drugs or or another way, but people definitely
go somewhere.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, I wouldn't recommend the knocking your head on the
bathtub route could.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
Been quite serious. Mind, here's the way that you landed.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, you know, and I hurt my neck. It took
about ten years from my neck to really kind of
feel normal again. It wasn't severe, but it just was
a thing where I could just kind of feel that
anytime I turn my neck a lot. I always felt
like it was a little different. But now it's back.
I mean it took it took like ten years.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
Cranky, you could have done some damage there. Good stuff,
Ryan interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Thank you, Nick. I appreciate you letting me be on
the show. It's one of my favorites, so it's a
real pleasure.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
I'm glad to hear you've been listening for a while.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, a couple of years now, I think.
But I've been going through your back log. I may
have listened to everything.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
With no short of guess mind we it's actually had
to keep on to other things because so many people
reach out and I've got about fifty people I'm dealing
with at the minute, like we're back and forth and stuff,
and then I've got I've got two hundred in the
in the inbox where they've either they've stopped contacting, or
they've changed their mind, or they want to see again

(19:17):
in about six months time or whatever. So I have
to keep on constantly going back, and I do eventually
filed us most of them through. In any case, there's
one wom when she was about two years from the
time she contact. I'd like to try and get people
in and recorded as quick as possible.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, well, I was surprised how quickly you responded to me.
So I figured out he probably once he has something
he needs to move quickly or else people kind of
maybe chicking out.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
They do. And then there's some people where I talk
to every week. I'm not true, you know I'm not.
And I never forced people to come on. It's completely
up to them. But I just say, listen, it's just
me and you talking. It's not live, and when it
does get released, it it's only listened to by light
minded people.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'm very happy that you responded, and like I said,
it's quite a pleasure. So thank you.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
Good stuff, No problem, Ryan, I really appreciate you coming
on sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, thanks a lot. That was fun.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
You take care, all right, especially around a toilet area.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
All right, all right, appreciate it, Take care, no.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
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Hello Angela, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
You're more than welcome and it's our pleasure. Thank you
for coming on today. Now, Angela, you're going to be
sharing your experiences. Would you like to start at the beginning, please.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Ma'am sure. So. I was born March fifteenth, nineteen eighty
seven here in Hornett County, North Carolina. My birth mother's
name is Kelly Williford. She passed on my birthday, March fifteenth,
twenty eighteen, at UNC Chapel Hill. I'm not further along
at the story, but my father, my adopted father, was
handed a baby October twenty seventh, nineteen eighty seven, the

(22:12):
day that he became a Green Beret. I know this
for a fact because I have it on VHS tape. Well,
he had no knowledge that there was going to be
a baby at his house. He literally came back from
you know, earning his Green Beret to a child already there.
So I have no knowledge of where I was those
few months before. You know that I was taken from
my birth mother and how I ended up in his hands.

(22:34):
I know that the adoption agency that I was adopted
out of does not exist. It never existed in Lillington,
North Carolina. My stealed adoption file, which is supposed to
be in vital records. Nobody else was supposed to have
access to it without a court order, and that's only
supposed to be me. It's not there at all. It's
not even in this state. Somehow my adopted mother was
able to illegally obtain it. I'm not much of a

(22:56):
surprise to me because that side of my family has
a lot of money to pretty much do what they
want when they want, because money speaks. So my adopted father,
his name is Master Sergeant Stephen Maggard. He was a
Green Beret here at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, third Generation
Special Forces. His father, Sanders Maggard, was also a Green Beret,
but he was a part of Operation Jedi Warrior, which

(23:18):
was a psychic super soldier program here at Fort Bragg
in the seventies. It was a project inside of the
Stargate Project. My grandmother, her name is Anne Jutman. She
was a psychic remote year for the CIA. She was
a part of Grill Flames, Stargate, Sunstreak, and many others.
Those are just the declassified one. She's still alive. There's
a lot more I could talk about, but I have PTSD.

(23:39):
I've gone through a lot of trauma, so bear with me.
If I talk in circles, I apologize, but I'm trying
to bring awareness that Wright Patterson Air Force Base does
an ethical what's the proper way to say that experiments
on children, you know, like I experienced it from nineteen
ninety one through nineteen ninety nine. I have found documents
from nineteen eighty four nineteen eighty six where they openly

(24:01):
admit to these projects, and I've spoke to other individuals
that worked there that were aware of these type of projects.
My father, Master Sergeant Maggard, tried to go a wall
with me in nineteen ninety one. He tried to take
me out of the country. What would make a man
of that caliber risk his entire military career for a
child that he had just got, you know, custody just
a few months before. That wasn't like him at all.

(24:24):
He ultimately lost custody of me over that incident. And
that's when I was moved up to Ohio with my
adopted mother and where the abuse started and took place.
I dealt with a lot of paranormal activity there. I
didn't realize the historical significance of the town that we
lived in, honestly until just a few years ago. I

(24:44):
always knew that the mounds and stuff around there were special.
You know, I dealt with a lot of stuff there,
but I'd never really understood you know, the extent of it,
let alone the type of abuse that I was dealing with.
It had always been my normal, so I really didn't
wake up and process that till you know, mid twenties,
and I was already a mom myself, So it was
really very difficult to unpack and process. You know, that

(25:07):
pretty much everything I had learned my entire life was
a lie. That the people that I thought I knew
I really didn't know at all. And you know, I
was stuck on trying to find my birth mom, which
I did find her, I did have time with her,
but ultimately, you know, she was electrocuted from the inside
out at UNC Chapel Hill, and I was refused in
autopsy because I had to prove that I was her daughter.
So instead of cremating her, which was her wishes, I

(25:29):
buried her so that way I could have her exumed.
I have contacted Fort Bragg numerous times to try to
get their help for this. They did not contact me
until after I spoke to an investigative journalist for Rolling
Stone Magazine, which I found it really really weird that
they contacted me shortly after speaking to this individual, especially

(25:50):
because the last individual that spoke to this journalist involving
this military base did wind up murdered. So it was
really kind of like, oh my god moment for me.
But I spoke to them. They offered to help me
with my father being handed a baby. They said if
that truly happened, that they would that would be handled.
But they also said that if they helped me that

(26:12):
pretty much I should be satisfied. I had to turn
that down. I don't think that that's something that I
can morally accept, just because, like, yes, I want these
answers more than anything. But I currently know that there's
a certain group at Fort Bragg that's very high. I'm
just going to say it's special force of soldiers are
involved in human and drug trafficking at Fort Bragg. And
this is not something that's new. This has been going

(26:34):
on for a long time. It really sick the amount
of people that are complacement. There's a lot of bodies
that drop up missing around this military base, a lot
of soldiers, a lot of girls being drugged human and
drug trafficking is really really high out here. I'm not
the only person that was kidnapped and sold as a

(26:55):
baby out of this county. There's multiple others. I'm thirty
six years old, so, like I started writing my journals
at age seven, I'm thirty six, that's a lot written down.
As soon as I processed that, hey, you know, the
drugs that they were giving me, that something wasn't right,
you know, I wanted to document. I remember watching Matilda
and Harry the Spy, and what I got from those

(27:15):
movies was kids could hold adults accountable. You just had enough,
had to have enough proof, because you know, without the proof,
nobody's going to believe you, which is something unfortunately I've
had to learn the hard way as an adult because
with a story like this, a lot of people aren't
open to that, which is understandable. Honestly, a little bit
of me is kind of envious as that mentality. I
would love to be able to walk through life and

(27:36):
you know, have that kind of like peace of mind.
But at the end of the day, I've had this
same goal since age seven. I just want to hold
them accountable. I would like justice, and I would really
like answers. I'd like the truth more than anything, you know.
That's why I use my real government name. That's why
I post my family. And I'm really thankful to my
adopted uncle, Mark Maggert. He's also on Twitter and Facebook. Hey,

(27:57):
He's helped me a lot with getting to the truth
that he has a different theory on when it comes
to all of this. He believes that my adopted father
is somehow my biological father. I do not know who
my biological father is. That is something that I am
actively really trying to find out. That's one of the
reasons I really wanted that file is just I can
get some answers because my birth mother before she passed

(28:20):
that she dealt with a lot of trauma. A lot
so when we would talk about certain topics, she was
shut down or she would get, you know, really upset
and reclusive, and I didn't understand it at the time.
I did now, but back then I was very frustrated
with her because I just didn't understand why she couldn't
just confront her problems. And that was just because you know,
the way I was raised, So honestly, I was a

(28:42):
little harsh on her and maybe more harsh than I
should have been, but she understood and instead of laying
it all out on me and telling me all the truth,
she kind of just let me think whatever I needed
to and let me just like learn, and honestly, it's
what I needed at the time. And I think that
was very brave of her to be a well to
just eat all that a bitter teenager, you have to think,

(29:03):
you know, like I respected my dad, I respected the military.
I was kind of like groomed from a very young
age to meet other people's needs. People that described me
as a child, they would say that I was very robotic,
like very obedient, but at the same time very angry,
you know, like they could see. That's why I'm upset.
A lot of these adults, they knew what was going on,
but nobody wanted to face the implications of speaking up

(29:26):
against people with that type of power. And that's one
of the reasons why I'm so nosy and so transparent
open about things, is because I feel like that was
the biggest issue, is the complacency. So many people could
have changed some things, They could have done something about it.
I started running away at age five. I got there
three miles away, barefoot, blisters on my feet. They took
me back, you know what I mean, Like that's that's

(29:47):
actual documents, you know, in these records of me begging
for help, telling them what was going on, and they
just took me right back to her. She even lost
custody of me, you know, because this woman tortured me.
And I'm not the only one, and she tortured I
had two stepsisters, but I will not say their names,
just for the simple fact that they are extremely traumatized.

(30:08):
They only have three years experience with her. But I
had to tell their father what was going on, just
because like I couldn't bear to watch them and go
through it. You know, I was the oldest, so I
felt morally responsible, so I told him that. You know,
she had burned our butts on a stove. She had
forced us to lay out naked in the snow. She
had put a butcher knife to my chest, and that
was over dishes. I was washing dishes and I guess

(30:30):
I had washed them wrong, and I got lippy with her,
so she put the butcher knife to my chest and
she's like, I could kill you now and nobody would
know it. And I was like well, your fingerprints they're
on there. Because I was really balky. If we're gonna
be honest, I'd never cussed, but I always had the
last words. And she so she took her sleeve and
she wiped the knife. She put it to my chest again.
I was like, well, I'll write your name in my blood,

(30:50):
and she's like, well, I'll clean it up. And I
was like, well, they have a light for that. And
that's when she stabbed me. She didn't cut me deep
enough to like hurt hurt, but it was enough for
me to plead. It was enough to scare me, because
anyone knows that wounds right there. You lead a lot.
It traumatized to me. I don't have any really good
memories from childhood. I have a few here and there
when my dad, you know, I was allowed to go
to my dad's, but the majority of it is traumatizing,

(31:13):
you know, and having to like face all that and
then learn all this stuff about your you know. I
never thought my grandparents would work for the CIA. I
always wondered, you know, what they did in the military,
just because all the secrecy. And then my grandpa moved
to Mexico and her, you know, my grandma living out
here is originally in Texas and then Georgia. Like, how
are you going to be married and live in two
different countries, you know, let alone? Like I never knew

(31:34):
any of her family. I mean, you know, my dad's side,
but like she never had any other people around. Well,
there's a lot of stuff that goes on with Fort Bragg.
Like a lot of people don't know that there are
two underground, you know, bases there underneath the Fort Bragg
let alone, the Rockefeller estate that's on Fort Bragg property
that's called over Hills that's at the corner of Highway
eighty seven and Nursery Roads. There's a lacrosse field, there's

(31:58):
a golf course, there's stables, there's a main house. There's
actually quite a few different houses and cottages. One of
the houses that's been demolished will burnt down. But there's
also tunnel systems under there. It's pretty pretty crazy. There's
also tunnels of White Patterson Air Force Base that connect
up to Wright State University. And there's also tunnels under
there under Ohio that are from you know, natural case

(32:21):
systems and tunnels that the Adena tribe you know, used
to use, like a lot of people don't know about
the Adda tribe. But there's a pyramid in Miamisburg in Ohio,
let alone the mound of Enan, along with the tablet
that they said that correlated with Leebecci tepe and turkey,
and some type of ruins that they found in Halisco, Mexico,
in between Guadalajara and Jalapa. I'm not exactly sure what

(32:42):
all they found there, but that's where my grandfather moved.
I know that's where he worked for a very long
period of time until he disappeared. So I don't really
know what happened to him. I haven't talked to him
in a few years. He told me that he was
going to lay low for a bit in an email,
and that was the last thing I heard from him,
So I really don't know what's all going on with that.

(33:03):
I know that I did call my grandma about a
month or so ago, telling her, warning her that I
was going to be talking about all this stuff, and
I asked her for her help again for you know,
the million time. You know, because I've given my family
ample warning what I was doing. I don't think they
ever thought I would really do it, though, because honestly,
I have problems talking with people. I have a lot
of anxiety, and I have a lot of trust issues,

(33:24):
just because I've had people that came into my life
for you know, alterior motives and I didn't really realize it,
you know, because we're going to be honest. I think
I'm a little bit emotionally younger than my peers just
from trauma. I mean, I'm intelligent, I'm really smart, but
at the same time, I'm really trusting a little bit,
you know, naive and gullible. I've taken up since then,
but you know, there are still aspects in time periods
where people can pull the wll over me. And I've

(33:46):
had whole freaking relationships that were absolutely fake and that
was really difficult to process. So, you know, having to
come to terms with you know, wow, Like I feel
like I'm a little fish. Not trying to be mean,
but I'm a civilian refused to join the military. I
just have family that's involved in a lot of stuff
that I know that's not okay, and then a lot

(34:07):
of stuff that I still don't even know about. So
I really just want answers. I want justice more than anything.
That's why I go to these different rooms, especially ones
with veterans, and ask if they knew my family. And
I've met a few different individuals that remember my father.
I actually met another individual that remember my grandfather, so
it was kind of neat to hear their side. But
one was my grandfather said that my grandfather was a

(34:28):
great soldier, but he was kind of on the fence
of doing what was right. And while I'm the man
that I talked to about my father though, said he
was very admirable and that you know, he would second
guess my dad being complacent to that type of stuff,
especially since the way my father died. He was ran
off the road by another vehicle and crashed into a
tree not even a minute up the road from our house.
And the crazy part about that is I had dreamed

(34:50):
that before it happened. The only thing that was different
in my dream is I had dreamed he had died
on his motorcycle and not in his truck. So it
was a little, uh. It was really difficult because I
felt like if I would have, you know, warmed him more,
maybe I could have changed that. I did email him
about it. He laughed at it, because you know, there's
been numerous other times that he should have been dead
and he didn't die, so he kind of at that

(35:11):
point thought he was invincible, which most special forces guys
I know do have that mentality. I think that like
a survival tactic. You know. It's like my dad always said,
you know, you can go without food, water, you can
live in the most deplorable conditions if you lose your brain. Though,
if you lose your mind, you lose everything. That's the
number one weapon, That's one thing that you need to

(35:32):
always keep, because if you lose that, it's in game.
You know. I feel like my dad knew what I
was going to have to prepare for you, just to
think he didn't have me for the first twelve years
of my life. He was fighting court systems trying to
get me free from my adopted mother, and he didn't
have a leg to stand on just because of who
my adopted mother's father was and how much money he had.
And you know, like I appreciate the lessons, like I'm sorry,

(35:56):
but it's a little ridiculous to make kid go do
pet every morning before school, and you know, why do
I need to know how to make a bow drill
and all this other stuff. But I get now that
he was teaching me discipline, He was teaching me how
to survive. He was teaching me to understand mind games.
You know, I would have never processed that day, and
I didn't process it then. It took me years to
understand what he was doing. But I didn't respect him

(36:17):
because he didn't just come out and say it. I've
talked to him. I remember telling you about some of
this stuff, but he shushed me about it. He told
me just I don't remember exactly what he said, but
he pretty much told me that that wasn't something that
I needed to deal with. This was here and now,
and you need to focus on your future. You know,
because when he got custody of me in nineteen ninety nine,
it was December. It was right after my adoptive mother

(36:39):
tried to unalive me. He came back from Africa and
he got full custody of me and they wrote away
her rights and so he moved me back to Fort
Bragg and they refused to put me in counseling. They
just threw me into public school. And this is after
being isolated, you know, my entire childhood, I hadn't hung
out with other kids. The only interaction I had was
with whoever my adopted mother deemed wasn't a threat against her.

(37:01):
That was pretty much doctors, her family, and my grandma
Beanie and my great aunt Diana from my dad's side,
were the only two people she allowed to see on
his side because she didn't they weren't a threat, They
wouldn't go stand up against her. They blocked my father
just to be able to see me. And I know
that they did that so that I had some type
of safety, you know, because my adopted mother drew the

(37:24):
line if you have anything to do with you know,
thieve my father. You know you can't have anything to
do with her. So my dad took him a long
time to be able to talk to his family. He
never talked to his father again. I remember that my
grandfather was here in North Carolina in nineteen ninety one
when my dad tried to go a wall. My uncle
thinks that my grandpa is the one who sold him

(37:46):
out and told on him and set him up. I
don't understand why he would do that, or why he
would be working with my adopted mother and my adopted grandfather.
I didn't understand why he would go against his own son.
But now that I know that he had ties to
the sea, I don't know what I know anymore. It's
kind of, you know, like crap, what's true, what's not?
What's connected? You know, what's coincidence or circumstance. It's it's

(38:09):
very complicated to separate and pinpoint, you know, what is
the truth. So that's why I'm speaking about all this stuff,
trying to bring awareness to illegal adoptions, what adopted children
have to go through, trafficking children. My birth mother died
before she got a lick of justice. I live in
the town that I live in on purpose, because everybody

(38:31):
out here said she faked her pregnancy, that I didn't exist,
that I was never kidnapped, but it was all in
her head and it really hurt her on top of
whatever she went through, and you know, was running from,
because I mean, this woman was scared to get a
picture taken. She was always hidden, she wouldn't go out
and do things. She was legitimately scared, and I never
understood that because I didn't have that fear. And honestly,

(38:54):
that's probably a fall because I'm I'm talking about some
really big things. I have a lot of evidence. You know,
like I have. I'm in touch with a lot of
people that are actively still involved in this stuff, and
they are willing to come forward if I can get
into the courtroom. They just can't right now because they're
kind of actively working for the government. And so, like,
I'm really thankful that they would speak up, I'm just

(39:15):
really frustrated that they haven't so far. You know, I'm
thirty six years old. You had this so many years
to do it. I feel like the only reason why
they're speaking up now is because they don't want me
to tell the whole story. That seems to be the
biggest issue that I have with most of my family members.
And it's not that they don't support me speaking on
the trauma. They're just really worried about the way I
would portray them speaking about my story, not realizing that

(39:37):
it's okay to not understand trauma, it's okay to you know,
be frustrated with me for not getting over it. They
seem to think that I thought that they were the
villain of my story, not realizing that I'd gone through
way much more, you know what I mean. So, both
my biological and my adoptive families that were a little
bit complacent. I don't hate you, I love you. I

(39:57):
want you all to know that I'm not going to
I sit here and docks everybody. I just want to
talk about the root issues. You know, there are a
lot of illegal adoptions, there's a lot of kids that
are going missing, there are tunnel systems under a lot
of these spaces, and I think it all ties together.
I think it's been going on for a long time.
I think it has a lot to do with the
Finders Club. I think that that's just one aspect of

(40:19):
many different rabbit holes that are involved. I think some
of these people have been doing this for a very
long time, so the other people that are, you know,
working with them, are complacent to it or or know
if we speak up. You know, I think their currency
is secret, so if one person speaks up, there's going
to be a domino effect there. And I feel like
it's a big liability. That's why you don't see a

(40:40):
lot of whistleblowers, and the ones that you do see,
you know they're pointing out it's crazy or you know,
villain fied because you know they have nothing else to lose,
and you know, like that's a threat loose lifts, think ships,
so you have to be really careful. That's why I
try to be fully transparent. What are they going to
use against me? I don't bring the wall, I don't
do stupid stuff. I'm not slandering or to fame and character.

(41:00):
I try to stick to facts. I really want justice
in truth more than anything, So that's why I ask
for people's help, you know, like, hey, you know, I
give real names. I try to give dates and as
much information as I have. But I'm one person and
I'm really emotionally invested in this. So if anybody else
has the emotional capacity or the clearance help with this,
you know, I'd really appreciate it. And then I'd like

(41:22):
to implement some type of change because it was really
really damaging to have to waste ten, fifteen, twenty years
of my life chasing these answers just so I could heal.
I would love to see some type of organization or
a program in place to check on these adopted children,
these kids in foster care, not only them, but survivors
of humor and trafficking or you know, if there's a
trying to get those answers and having to you know,

(41:44):
literally sift through all this different data, all these different platforms,
you know, and I've been digging at this before Google
was around, you know, so it's really difficult when all
the information wasn't in one spot. And then when you
don't have the type of you know, like mindset, you
don't know what you're doing, it can be really overwhelm
and then having to walk off that trauma learn how
to heal, you know, while you know, still working and

(42:06):
raising kids, if you're doing that, that's hard. So I
would love to see a program made to you know,
maybe help these kids and these survivors get the answers
they seek so they're not wasting years of their life
just so they can, you know.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
Feel that's certainly a lot to unpack.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Now.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
The thing with child abuse, child trafficking, it's a big
elephant in the room. People know it goes on, but
people just don't want to know people are involved. There
are a lot in various different organizations. It's difficult getting
people to speak out, and as soon as people do,
they get labeled. And generally the people that come forward
are damaged individuals. So it's very easy to label someone

(42:44):
they're just making up, just fantasize and whatever. So it's
a very difficult thing. There's always been talk about Fort Bragg.
There's been allegations against them, whether it's for drug trafficking,
women trafficking. There's been death says, been people going missing.
I mean, the further you go back with RAG, the
more you.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Dig go, Yes, people living underground. That was like twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen. They were moving the old barracks to build
new barracks and they found people legitimately living underground, like
in a doomsday scenario.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
It's crazy. And there's even been recent mole There's a
woman found not so long ago. Was it a year ago?
A couple of years ago, she was found.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Dead, Yeah, the one that was murdered by the Delta
Forest soldier.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
That's the one.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
She was actually working with the investigative journalist that I
was telling you about. That's why she was murdered, is
trying to expose the trafficking ring.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Okay, and how did you come into contact with the
guy from Rolling Stone on Twitter?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
So he messaged me on Twitter, gave me his email,
told me the contact. Well, he said to send him
all the information, all my research to him. And I'm
not sorry. But I'm not doing that. I'm not doing
that to anybody just because this is my whole life
worth of research. That's a lot of stuff that I
have multiple contingency plans just in place, just because like
I've met some really crazy people that pretended, you know,
like they cared and they didn't. So, like I want

(43:59):
justice about this is going to be an exchange thing
if I'm going to give any names out to any
of these survivors, because I do know people that dealt
with this there, there needs to be in writing documents
that they're going to be protected, especially the female soldiers
that were reprimanded for speaking on this stuff. There's a lot,
there's a lot it for Brock. And the wonderful thing
about growing up there is, you know a lot of

(44:20):
these people knew me, A lot of these people respected
my father. So as many bad people there are, there
are equally as many good ones there. So I don't
really feel threatened just because you know, like I am
a local and I know my hometown. They're really solid.
And I know that sounds weird, but you know, when
you come from a really small town, everybody knows everybody
and they really do come together just because you're to

(44:42):
saying I'm not the only person in this hometown that
is going through this type of corruption. There are multiple individuals.
This goal is up higher than I think I can
even fathom. If we're going to be honest, Harnett County
is completely corrupt. But one of my really good friends,
his name was John Livingston. He was murdered by a
Hammer County Sheriff's office. The officer had a warrant for
another person a different house. I didn't even live there,

(45:05):
but he came into the house asking about that individual,
and you know, John told him that he didn't live there.
He said, can I come in and check? And John
said no, not without a search warrant. The officer put
his boot in the door when John tried to shut it,
and the officer pushed the door open, pulled his taser out,
tased them, and then shot him six times in front
of his children in his own home, without any problem, calls,

(45:27):
or reason to do so. Now I know why John
didn't want to earn his house. It's because he smokes
sweet which is not the worst thing in the world,
but in the state of North Carolina, it is not legal.
And you know, I understand that fear. However, this was
a hard working man, a great dad, a person that
I really respected. He was a little eccentric, he was
always dancing, you know, but it just it was really difficult.

(45:49):
And that was just one of many many victims out here.
There's a lot of implications with the three letters of
various law enforcement agents, you know, and elected officials are
part of this group. Our sheriff is a huge, huge issue.
There's a woman out here who I do not respect,
but her trauma is valid. I feel like she has

(46:10):
gone off the deep end. You know. Sometimes when you
go through these type of things, I look at it
like a triangle. You can go in to rescue r
mode or you go into repeat mode. And unfortunately she
has gone into the lady. And I don't think she's
a lost cause. I just think that the abuse that
she went through was so extensive that she is screaming
and begging for people to listen to her, and she's

(46:30):
getting told so much that she is now just nasty
to everyone as a defense mechanism. But her name is
Angela Scarborough. She was assaulted. She really went through a
lot of stuff in a Hnnah County jail out here
if anyone wants to look under her story. I don't
support her as a person, but what she went through

(46:52):
is disturbing and she's one of many. So we actually
have a Facebook group that's called Harnett County Exposing Police
Brutality and Corruption. And that's what we do is just
all the locals to share their information and try to
be as open and transparent as possible to maybe bring
awareness to this long line of corruption that's been going

(47:13):
on to generation. We grew up here. We didn't know
about the Rockefeller Estate and our high schools named after it,
you know, like the roads are named after it, and
it's right there, you know, and the whole time, you know,
we're sitting here playing all on this land, you know,
and there's tunnels underground, and you know, there's a lot
of stuff out there. There's the underground facility where they
made you know, like the Ministereric Coats, Operation Jedi Warrior

(47:34):
that's behind Fort Bragg in between the Rockefeller Estate, like
going towards southern Pines, like the vast area, Like if
you look on Google Maps, you'll see like an old
armory out in the middle of the woods back in
that triangle and they're literally underneath ground right there. That's
that's all an underground basically like beneath that. That's why
you don't see anything out there. It's just this one
building in the middle of the woods. And I've been

(47:56):
down there. I went down there with my dad a
few times.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
You know, where this stuff deep, You dig and the
hole just gets bigger and scarier.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I noticed that. All the times that I have investigated
my father looking into him, I have had people die
or you know, my house was broken into in Florida.
That's ultimately why I left and moved. I left everything
there and just left is because I had an unmarked vehicle,
police vehicle like SUV pull into my driveway and walk

(48:25):
into my house while I wasn't there. I was actually
at the gas station. Get nice, because me and my
kids were about to go swimming with the neighbors. My
kids were at the neighbor's house except for my oldest.
He had gone in the back door and he was
in the laundry room getting a swimming trunks out of
the dryer. So there's a door that is like cracked shut,
but you can see into the living room from that
laundry room. So he heard the door open, he peeked
and he saw this guy come in, so he slipped

(48:47):
out the back went to the neighbors. The neighbor called
me and said, hey, I think there's a copy of
your house. So, you know, I went back to the house.
You know, he was like, okay, whatever. At that point
in time, my ex husband and I were separated. This
is a fake relationship that I was with, and so
I thought they'd do with court papers or something real,
you know, involving that I get there, No one's there.
So I called the police department and they kind of
like what because there's only one vehicle I guess that

(49:08):
entire county that matches that description, and that's like the sheriff,
and he was on the other side of the county
going door to door trying to get in votes. So
he wasn't even anywhere near me. So he came back
in town and he actually came to my house in
front of my works. Had explained to this tea it
wasn't me, but there was a vehicle matching that description
that was taken out of Jacksonville that morning. So I

(49:30):
literally packed up my kids and I left. I freaked out.
I didn't know what to do. I just came home
to my birth mom because you know, like at least
I felt a little safer, you know there. I just
couldn't fathom why, like someone would want to scare me.
And I understand a little bit now, just because I
told you that investigative journalists. He looked into my father
and apparently he has connections or a database that I
don't have access to, because he did find a charge

(49:51):
of my father and have seen any charged but had
no He didn't give me any other detail. So I
would love to be able to find what that was about,
just for the simple fact that my dad was a
part of that same unit had arrest back, you know,
in February of this year for human drug trafficking, and
I feel like there's a lot more of a story
than is being told.

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Speaker 5 (51:06):
You know when you start speaking out about this and
you start digging into things. Now, you know, you see
me managed about a fake relationship. Do you believe that
your partner at the time was implanted to you.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
I've read messages, so I found on this computer with
him and his best friend where he was joking about it.
That was really really hard to like swallow, because like
I thought my relationship was perfect. I mean, I had flaws,
but it wasn't bad per se, you know. I just
he was always gone, He wasn't here, you know, he
was always traveling. So that should have been a red flag.
There's a lot of red flags, but I guess I
saw a carnival. I didn't see him for what they were.

(51:40):
I painted those roses red, all right. I think that
was also a travel response. I didn't want to look
at the bad, I thought. But you know what I mean,
at that point in time, I had stopped chasing the truth.
I was just going to try and live and be happy.
And I wasn't going to take drugs though, and I
wasn't going to talk about it. And that was one
of the things that he kept always trying to get
me to talk about thing I didn't want to. I

(52:01):
was very shut down at that point in time. I
had not processed my dad dying. I hadn't processed a
lot of it, and I was walking it off. And
that's very difficult to do when people are shipping information.
You know, they're chipping at you and they just keep
kind of poking and you're like, look, I can't process
this currently. Ultimately, I think that was the end of it.
Was like I'm not controllable. I've never been controllable. That
was problem when I was kid. Doesn't matter how much

(52:21):
drugs they gave me, it didn't work. I mean they tried,
they used dated the shit out of me. There's no
reason for a five year old to have seven to
eight pills show down their throat at the time. Absolutely
unethical as hell, and for you know, medical doctors. Because
I've had try care in my whole life, and they
refuse to give me my own access to my own
medical records. That makes no sense whatsoever. I need those
records so I can get those doctors name, so I

(52:42):
can get, you know, all this stuff put together, because
I'm able to prove the damage that it's happened to
me long term due to my medical records. Now, I
suffer from overactive adrenal glance. My body's in a constant
stata fight or flight. I have fibroid issues just because
living through such a long, you know, drawn out time
of this type of abuse. It rewires your compounds, like

(53:06):
your body structure, so you you literally think that those
hormones are normal, so you don't produce the normal like
serotonin and stuff. It's trauma bonding. It's literally I feel
like they did that stuff on purpose, especially when I
was a kid. They used the fear, and they used
the scaring as a way to kind of like a
guest pain or control me because I was scared of everything.
If you want to be honest, I was really scared

(53:28):
into still like my mid twenties, especially the paranormal aspect.
It tormented me just because I did not understand it,
and then they gas lit me. And then just to
find out, you know, just a couple of years ago
they worked for the CIA, getting a paycheck for it.
That was just downright like wow, you guys really, you know,
really really messed with me. Now. I have a photo
of me at h five, and in this photo, some

(53:48):
people say that's a sever childhood on the couch behind me.
Other people don't think that. I'm not going to say
it is or it isn't, because I don't know. I
know what I think it is, but you know, it's
up to everybody else's interpretation. What I noticed about the
photo was the three spirits that are standing beside being
around me in that photo. I really have never even
noticed that other aspect until I posted it on Reddit

(54:10):
and everybody over there saw it and they were like, yo,
you didn't see that in the corner. And I was like, well, no,
what and I zoom in and I saw it and
I was like, oh, I can see that. That looks
like a child's head. Honestly, it was very disturbing. I
had that posted on my TikTok and my Twitter. It's
very graphic. There's a Native American woman to my left,
and then there's a full blown apparition of a man

(54:30):
to my right, his heads above the door knobs, and
then directly to the right of him as a woman's
kind of like loone hair and she has glasses on.
Don't know who they are. I know him, I've seen
him a few different times. I remember the Indian lady.
She looks scary. She looks like like one of those
characters from the Grudge, but she wasn't scary in real life.
The guy terrified me. I feel like she was just

(54:52):
around because you know, the way is Native American. It's
really old, and you know, like they just kind of
like cut everything down and just built house it on
top of it. So I kind of made sense on
why she was there. But like the guy, he just
really creeped me out. And then having to deal with
all this paranormal stuff and not understanding it, and then
having kids and then them growing up and then them
dealing with the stuff. It really that's when I opened up,
because like when I started, when I had my kids,

(55:14):
so I kind of like I cut off everybody. I
didn't come back. I never went back and visited my
adopted family. I haven't seen them at all since my
adopted father died. I refused to go back into that state,
not because I don't love them. I would love to
see my adopted dad's side. I don't know how I
could handle being in the same state with my adopted
mother and my adopted step mother without showing my ass

(55:37):
and probably going to jail, just because you know, like,
I've never even talked about what my stepmother did to me.
She committed fraud. She did a lot of stuff, but
she's not the biggest fish to fry like that woman.
When my dad died, used the will from when I
was five years old to take my entire inheritance. She
forged my adopted mother's tignature to sell the house. Her
boss helped her do it. And the only reason why

(55:57):
he helped her do it is because they were sleeping
with each other. And I know he's threatened to assume me,
but I didn't say your name, so you can kiss
my ass. But you did sleep with my step mom.
I walked in on you, and that's the reason why
you bought my stepmoma Pete Cruiser and help my dad
buy the moor Cycle. And I didn't respect my dad
because I didn't understand why he didn't say anything, but
I guess it was because he was terrified of what
had happened to me, what happened to my little sister.

(56:18):
And that's the only reason why I did not fight
the will when my dad died, was because my little
sister had just turned nine years old and she had
just lost the father. And even though she doesn't know
that that's not her real father, I will never let her.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna tell the whole truth.
She could just continue to live off my inheritance and
be fine, That's okay with me. It hurts, but at
the same time, I just I want to have her

(56:39):
best chance. That was the hardest thing I think I
ever had a walk off with that image in my
head that I could just wait till she was eighteen
and we could just pick it up. And unfortunately, that's
a really long time for her to be stuck in
that pit. And you know, she went through it the
abuse after I was no longer there to take the
front of it, and I didn't realize the extent of
the damage that it done to her, to the point

(57:01):
where she was trying to unlive herself they lost her
in a facility, she got pregnant, the controlled her baby.
It was a really big nightmare situation for a long time.
But now she's happy. Now she's she has a good job.
You know, she seems to be really good. I you know,
will love her from a distance, but I just don't
want her to get her involved in this type of scenario.
I think it's safer for her to just be oblivious

(57:23):
to it. I don't think her dad would have wanted
her to have to go through all this drama that
I've had to unpack. I mean, I've written it all
down for her so she can read it. Just I
would hope to have it solved before before it got
to that. That's my biggest fear is you know that
pouring onto my children and then my siblings, just because
you know, that's the only reason why I took it
all in the first place, so they didn't have to.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
So what are you hoping to get out of all this?
Are you trying to track down more people that that
possibly knew your father.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yes, I would love to get more photos of that's possible.
That's one little thing, but I would like to ultimately,
I'd like to see this, say, North Carolina for my
sealed adoption file from by the records. I'd like for
them to have to prove why it's not there, and
then I would like to get justice for my father
being handed at baby the day became a Green Beret,
where they'll ultimately just you know, I mean, I know

(58:11):
my mom can't get an apology, but they could publicly
apologize for it happening or maybe bring awareness to change it,
because this is something that's that's continuing to happen. You know,
there's children that are going missing, there are children that
are being tortured. This is a really deep, disgusting rabbit
hole to go down. But once you understand how big

(58:31):
it is, you I feel like you kind of have
like a moral obligation to not turn your cheek to it.
So like that's why I tell people like tread Lay,
don't start researching, don't start digging if you don't have
the emotional capacity to finish it, because it'll finish you.
It'll it'll really eat at you internally, just because you
know that little bubble that you always lived in is
no longer there. That safety that of you know, all

(58:53):
the world really is is crushed and I think that's
the hardest part for people to grasp. So I would
like to change the narrative. I'd like to have awareness.
I'd like for it to be safe for people to
talk about uncomfortable stuff. Even if they thought I was crazy,
I would respect them, you know what I mean, because, like,
for one, even if I was crazy, which I'm not,
I have an amazing therapist, But if I was, what

(59:13):
if I was schizophrenic? People some of the things that
they've said to me. I've been told to kill myself,
or I should die on my birthday like my mom did,
or did your mom even really die on your birthday?
Like people are cruel on the internet. Like even if
you didn't believe me, saying things like that are why
people want to live themselves in the first place. So
I would love to bring awareness to that stuff. You know,

(59:33):
there's a difference between debating and calling people out and
being an asshole, being sadistic, being part of the problem.
So you know, there's a lot of people on this
on these apps that I don't fully agree with, that
I don't fully believe in. But you're never going to
see me just bullying them for that. That's absolutely not okay.
The only people you will ever see me getting attitudes

(59:55):
with are the ones that are acting like that to
others or the ones that think it's okay to be
predators on this app. I have no problem taking down
you knows at all. I will find any information I can.
I will give it to the proper authorities, unapologetic. That's
you know. I would just like to see transparency. I
would like to get justice and maybe some answers, just
so that I can just understand my roots, just process it. Why,

(01:00:19):
you know, I'm not I don't think I'm ever going
to get why it happened. I just want to know
what all happened, who all was involved, and if these
projects are stopped. I would like to know if that
they're they're done, that no more kids are being affected
by it, and if they are being affected by it,
I want those to be brought to the light and
I want them to be you know, taken down. I
think that this needs to be full transparency all the

(01:00:41):
way around the board. Politicians, doctors, teachers, you know, because
you know that big old bust in Ohio where they
got all those officials that were you know, involved in
that human trafficking ring. Those are people that you trusted.
That's where most of these individuals are people that you
would not think twice about it. So honestly getting this
stuff out here, getting these prep these corrupt politicians out

(01:01:01):
of their seat, you know, and a lot of people
need to be going to jail, a lot of people
need to be apologized to. And even if we don't
get to apology, it's just you know, getting that justice,
making a difference so that other people don't have to
go through this again. If that's all that I get
is helping someone else so they don't have to live
through that, I'll be okay, I'll be happy. But I
think that people need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable
in order to implement change. That's the best device I

(01:01:24):
can give to them is you know, like there are
people that are really hurting right now that have gone
through this stuff or having to walk it off. That's
the biggest thing I think I've ever had to deal
with is the expectations that my peers have had for me,
expecting me to walk and talk and be normal or
stuck it up and walk it off, or why can't
you just move past it? You know? I get that
all the time, and I'm like, you're not understanding, Like

(01:01:44):
this is something that I don't know anything else other
than that, I don't know how to let go, like
if we're going to be honest. And I've done years
of therapy. I write, I do art, I've done burn books.
I've even wrote messages to the people that abused me,
and of course they left me unread. But everything, I'm like,
and I'm thankful. I have everything. I have all those
screenshots and everything, so it's all time Stampton dated. I

(01:02:06):
really fought hard just for these people to apologize. I
had never gone public, I'd have lived my life out.
I'd have been quiet. I'd you'd never know my name.
But they wouldn't. They wouldn't say sorry. Nobody cared. They
really After my mom died on my birthday, everybody thought
that it was endgame, because I mean I spiled for
a little bit. That was really difficult to process getting,

(01:02:27):
you know, finding out on Facebook that your mom had
died on your birthday while you were at work. That
really ate me up. The fact that they they pulled
the plug without my permission and I'm our only child,
that really messed me up. But it also motivated me
because my mom she wanted justice too. She was just
too scared to face them. But she wrote a book
before she passed. She did the twenty three and me
Dnahs that Christmas as well. She also had a Twitter account,

(01:02:49):
which I didn't know, so I'm trying to get access
to that because I would love to know who she
was following. She also had files on people that I
don't know what they were, how they were involved in
her story, but she had the criminal record is where
they lived that, so I would like to know, you know,
why she was looking into these people and where you know,
what role they play in I'm still missing like ten
years of her wife. I have no clue what she
was doing or what she was running. Well, I know

(01:03:11):
who she was running from, but I don't know what
she witnessed, you know. So there's still pieces of these chapters,
but I don't know all of it. And I would
definitely like to learn more control over these abilities, you know,
because like I've have sad success stories like I found
my mom through a dream, but I also helped find
a thirteen year old that was kidnapped back in March.
The FBI was involved, but they were treating it like

(01:03:32):
a runaway case. She was groomed online by a twenty
nine year old man from New York, and she lived
in Pennsylvania and he's heard her across state lines. The
FBI was more involved with how I got his information
than locating her. They took almost eight hours to go
and get her. They did find her where we said
she was, but she was already assaulted by that point.
Or she is alive, she's okay. But I feel like

(01:03:52):
that was a huge fail. The fact that they didn't
issue an amber alert, they weren't even really actively searching
for her, and the fact that I, what three four
states away, just using his Xbox account name his first
name in the states from was able to find him.
Realized that his actual address is four and a half
hours away from where she was abducted. It's not logical

(01:04:13):
for him to go there. So I started looking into
his family members, anyone that had any criminal records. Came
across an uncle that lived an hour and a half away.
So looked in you know, Google maps, you know, trying
to pinpoint, you know, see if this was it, And
it looked like a compound, and I say, there's vehicles, cars, campers.
It really looked like a sketch place and it was
screaming at me. So I texted the FBI on the
case workers I had his number, so I have all

(01:04:35):
the screenshots from this whole interaction, which is funny. I
let them take, you know, credit, publicly, but I can
prove that they didn't solve this in text. But that
wasn't the goal. The goal was getting her own founder.
So she was the actual only surviving person that I've
helped find. I did find three other missing people here
in Harnett County, unfortunately, though by the time we found them,
they were already deceased. So it's kind of interesting to

(01:04:58):
get some validation on this type of stuff. But at
the same time, I still don't know what I'm doing.
This just comes. It hijacks my life, you know, and
I would like to learn more control.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
Oh what did you stop doing that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Oh since I was a little girl, I've been able
to do that for a very long time. I just
I kind of shut it down for a little bit.
Not really, I couldn't always shut it down. Sometimes you
just do. But I was able to compartnervententilize it for
for a long time. I saw I've always seen one
USO and that was August second, twenty eleven, ten forty
nine pm in Warsaw, North Carolina. There are videos all

(01:05:30):
over YouTube from like Greensboro and Raleigh where they saw
it flying, but we saw it land. It did not crash,
There was no explosion. It landed. I was in the
middle of a calfield, like we're literally playing like hide
and seeking, me and my cousin cow fields. Huge. This
thing was huge, you know. And I didn't really believe
in UFOs back then, even though I loved to rite
pat and I saw some things I could not explain.
I always associated everything as parallel. I don't know why.

(01:05:53):
Maybe it was my brain. So they have coping, but
everything was paranormal to me. So seeing that with my
own eyes, seeing it land and then you know, we
had this humming noise and then right after that we
saw this orange like Chloe ball come close. It was
zipping and zooming and then it zoomed off. It landed
at a private airport and more saw in North Carolina.
The military was in there within thirty minutes. They had
already shut down the roads. There was no getting back

(01:06:15):
in there. I assumed that it was military aircraft the
simple fact that it landed at an airport. Why would
it land at airport in the middle of nowhere. It's
like forty five minutes either direction to a walmart. There's
nothing out there in Duplin County, you know. And I'm
not the only person that saw it that, Like, I
just thought it was crazy, you know, to see that
with my own eyes, That's not something that I'd ever
ed or thought possible. Ghost spirits, that stuff that doesn't

(01:06:37):
fade me, but that creeps me out. Especially the noise.
The noise, I just can't. I don't understand it. It was
a weird home.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
It was so weird interesting stuff. What would do is
if you give us your father's name again, because we've
got a lot of listeners, which veterans that are retired,
so maybe someone worked with your father at a time
might have a little bit more information for you. Can
you give us his name again and where he was located.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Sure, his name was Master Sergeant Stephen Maggert. He was
at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. I know he used to
teach terrorism classes with INSCOM, so a lot of people
will remember him from that. He also he did a
lot of contract work too. And then my grandfather's name
was Sanders Eugene Maggret. He went by Jean. And then
my grandmother's name is Anne Elizabeth Jutman djup m A

(01:07:25):
N and she was a psychic remote viewer for the CIA.
So if you look up her name, you'll see that
she pops up on CI dot gov and you can
read her non disclosure agreement.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
Wonderful. So if anyone out there has any information at all,
reach out to me and I will pass it on
to Angela and try and get you some few answers
and hopefully, in the future, some closure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I appreciate that. Thank you so much for having me Angela.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
I really appreciate you coming on sharing all that for
our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I really appreciate you giving me a space to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
About this stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
You're more than welcome. You enjoyed the rest of your week. Now, okay,
and I will speak soon to you, all right, take
care for now, thank good night, Okay, goodnight. That is
all for this episode. Keep updated and connected with the
show on x Facebook and Instagram, And if you have
an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,
you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

(01:08:15):
or you can reach out to me via the contact
page on my website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A
big thank you to Ryan and Angela for sharing tonight,
and thank you all for listening. I will be back
next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching Uskies. Goodbye,

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