Ep.393 The Shadow Fox

John joins me from Florida to share a encounter at just four years old. After witnessing a mysterious fox-like entity formed from black smoke standing over his baby sister's crib, the experiences continued with silent aerial craft, strange lights, out-of-body experiences, towering non-human beings, glowing orbs, and a series of events that still leave him searching for answers.

This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Ronald, a listener and a friend from the Netherlands.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,
we want to one of those data areas thirty one.
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas
thirty one me neither there. See if it was anybody
above us to pass us, Like thirty.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Okay, off fi the UFO.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over God.
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
out over the top of US.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Guy you just called up to me before they're after
staying the airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
He is se to God.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
More calm in on an unidentified object every Liberty four
call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
I would like to be on the show. You can
email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

(01:49):
hope you're all doing well out there. I'm Nick Hunter
and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is John,
coming to us from Florida in the US, and John's
experience began at the age of four when he awoke
to find a strange fox like entity with glowing red
eyes standing in his bedroom. Decades later, John experienced what

(02:10):
he believed was an outer body experience and came face
to face with a mysterious shadow figure. From childhood encounters
to unexplained entities and astral experiences, read decades of high strangeness.
John is up next, but first, if you enjoy a
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(02:32):
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is very much appreciated. Now on with the show, John, Hello,

(03:01):
welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Hey, how you doing.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I Am you doing pretty good. It's good to have
you with us tonight, and you're calling from the state
of Florida.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yes, sir, great stuff.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Okay, now, John, you have a few experiences that you're
going to be sharing with us. Would you like to
start at the beginning, please, sir.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
So, a lot of my experiences started from like around
age four, and then you know, I had some experiences
when I think I was like nine, and then to
like ten age and then well, I wouldn't say maybe ten,
I'd probably say maybe eleven or so. And then a
lot of my experiences stopped, and then I guess in

(03:43):
a sense like vamped up twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen period
till you know current now. So well, based on as
far as like my first relevant as far as you know,
experience happened when I was four years old.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
And when I was four years old, you know, I
was at home. We lived, as far as.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Enough, I guess, in an apartment. At the time frame,
my baby sister was sleeping in the crib. I think
she was only maybe a couple of months old or so.
And this is like early early like nineties period time frame.
Like you know, for some reason or other, I remember
I was asleep and then for some reason as far
as like, I was awoken up, and as I got

(04:28):
up and I stood like upright on my bed. I
remember seeing like this thick I don't know the theeal
type of like smoke, you can tell it, you know,
initially it was conscious, like I'm I can say as
far as when I was four years old, when I
was looking at I had no clue what I was
looking at. But the smoke enveloped itself, you know, sent

(04:51):
through the window and into the room. And I remember
as far as like the whole ambience of the room
kind of changing, I guess, like going from like a
little bit light to like you can tell, like dark
in a sense, and it took on the shape of
a fox, and like a fox with red eyes you

(05:13):
can see, like red shiny almost having like a shimmer,
you know, glare to it red eyes.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
And then it had can see the teeth, you can
see the whole body.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
The whole body was was enveloped as far as, like
I said, in that black dick smoke. And then and
at first when it appeared, I mean I was I
was just basically like in shock. I didn't understand there
quite you know, saying comprehend as far as you know,
like I said, what I was looking at, Why I
was being looked at it, and it roam around the room,

(05:44):
and I remember, like my whole body was like paralyzed,
you know.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I guess you can say like you know.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Sleep paralysis state in that sense, but my whole body
was like like paralyzed. And and I remember trying to
like break out of that trance, and it wasn't enough
up until as far as like this the fox, like
when it was roaming around the room and then it
jumped on top of the crib or where my baby
sister was at, Like I remember that at that right

(06:14):
at that moment, like I had to kind of you know,
saying push from that threshold from being like nervous and
scared to okay, now I have to be protective. And
I remember, I guess in a sense like accing for
help or basically breaking through that that strong type of feeling.
And then I screamed out, you know, saying like get

(06:35):
off my sister. And that's when you know what I'm saying,
the entity, as far as you know what I'm saying,
his eyes like took a look at me, and it's
like you can tell it went big in the sense
of like shock or so. And for some reason, or
other when I kind of rea you know, analyzed as
far as you know, it's in that particular experience, Like

(06:55):
now I can tell as far as that at that moment,
it kind of seem like it wasn't aware that I
was in the room, and then it came until you know,
it was fully aware that you know, I could see it,
and I remember its eyes, you know, saying, grew big,
and then it jumped off the crib and then it
jumps outside the window, and then like you can tell,

(07:17):
like the whole abbiance of the room changed back to
where it was at at that same timeframe.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I for some reason or other, I felt some type
of like pressure on my left shoulder during that.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Timeframe, and I remember like glancing over for maybe what
was seemed maybe like a second or two, and I,
you know, seen some type of like just light or so,
you know, on the corner, you know, the bed where
where my bed was sitting at just at that same
type of moment, you know, the fox, you know, saying

(07:49):
wherever it was, you know, saying, jumps outside the window.
I screamed out, and then my dad comes like running
in and then I'm like telling him, even at four
years old what he exactly did I see?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
And I told him, and he was just like, you know,
the usual, probably like a bad dream or so.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
And I clearly I was trying to tell him like no,
I was fully awake and fully aware this happened. And
then he went outside like he had to get up
for work in the morning, so he slept outside in
the living room, I guess, like adjacent to where the
door was at, so that way you could, you know,
have some eye views on me. And I remember him,

(08:29):
you know, saying, waking up in the morning, like he
was just restless in that sense. And fast forward to
a couple of my other experiences where I had seen
I think it was like age nine or ten. At
that time frame, me and my cousin we had go back,
you know, sent to the Caribbean and go visit family.

(08:51):
And on this particular time frame, me and my cousin
was playing on the roof and while we were on
the roof, we seen this big globe and like you know,
it was making no noise, completely silent, but the movement
it was making was like you can, like a smooth transition.
We heard no you know, her helicopter rots, no type
of like proportion in that type of sense, and visiting

(09:14):
my cousin you know on the Caribbeans. You know, they
don't have that type of stuff. So I had to
try to explain to him what a helicopter was in
that type of sense. But you know, I had strobe
lights that was kind of going around it, and it
peered over as far as its mountain range, and within
that time period, I don't know, you know, as far

(09:36):
as like you know, sad time wise, but I do
remember distinctly when it rose up from the mountain side
and it slowly kind of panned over and then just
kind of took a little bit more speed and then
out of sight from there. Like I stated, you know,
a couple of my experiences, it stopped, I guess for
some reason, like right around eleven or twelve, I guess

(09:56):
in that sense, and it didn't it stem back up
until later later in time frame, and fast forward to
the experience that I had.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I believe it was like twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I was in I was, you know, I was just
watching some TV and my girlfriend at the time frame,
she lives with me, and while then since she you know,
said hey, you know, I'm gonna go you know, get
some rest and stuff like that, and I said, okay,
I was gonna go finish my show, and you know,
Joonie right afterwards, and I remember turning off TV, you

(10:34):
know what I'm saying, cleaning up a little bit, and
then you know, going off to bed. And I wasn't
really tired or anything like that, because you know, I
think it was like the you know, weekend time frame
and you know.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Stay up.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
And I laid down on my side because I was
always like a side sleeper, and I laid on my side,
and I don't even think no more than maybe three
three to five minutes within that spend time frame.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I felt something cool out of me.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I don't know whether I caused it myself or it
was some type of outside influence. And I felt pulled
from my body and I was literally like standing right
beside my body. And at the same time frame, I
remember like glancing over and I'm looking at my like
my whole body sleeping on the side, and I see

(11:25):
my girlfriend, you know, laying on the other side.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
She was I think she was like more than like
face to the wall.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
And I remember I was like looking at my hands
and then my hands had liking like a greenish type
of bluish type of hue with like little specks of
like I don't know, sparkly dust if you.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Want to call it, or so.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And at the same timeframe when that initially that phenomenon
had happened, I remember right then when I felt like
I was being pulled out, I felt this type of
knowing something was just about to happen and I needed
to be aware of it in that type of sense.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
And it was like the same thing that happened when
I was four.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Something just kind of got me on my sleeping's case,
Something's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
And in that instance, you know what I'm saying, when
I when I got pulled out and.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I got that type of knowing, same thing as far
as at four years old, it happened, the whole room changed,
ombiance of the room change, and then I see the
same black thick.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know what I'm saying, the ethereal type of smoke.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
And you know, I mean, I had no type of
awareness as far as I guess at that second, you know,
because everything happened.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Just so quick. And then it took the form of
this seven feet maybe eight feet tall.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Because I remember my room rooftop was kind of like
I guess you would say, like concave or something like that.
And you know, so it had a little bit of
extras in height, I guess, disproportion to and like I said,
I remember just seeing it just a tower over in
its tall figure with this time it had gold bronze.

(13:09):
It's yellowish eyes, and I remember like seeing its teeth
and it was bluish I want to say, like bluish ivory,
but just like a bright pearly type of ivory. And
it was the same thing that I kind of matched
up as far as you know, saying what would happened
at four with the fox. And I remember looking at it,

(13:32):
you know, it's shoulders and I remember seeing I guess
nubs or ridges in that type of sense. And for
some reason, you know, because I came from a military background,
being former active duty, and for some reason, I kept
getting the sense of whoever I was in front of,
you know, because there was characteristics that I even felt,

(13:53):
you know, saying within whatever this was, you can tell, like,
you know, saying, it held some type of presence. And
I got the type of feeling when I seen the
ridges and I kept thinking, like Lieutenant officer.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
You know, saying something of that type.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I don't know why, but that kept pointing out at
that time frame, and I don't want it as far
as you know, speculate into the fact that you know,
if in the fact, if it was some type of
you know, a reptilian figure in that type of sense.
But that was the only characteristic of what I could
kind of attach to because initially it felt that in

(14:32):
that type of form, just like I said, just large presence,
because I felt some type of what I could only
characterize is almost like that type of force when you
take two magnets and you kind of they have that
type of opposition and you can kind of feel that
magnetic you know, cent type of energy in between. Is

(14:52):
what I felt within this presence. And for some reason
or another, I remember having quick type of like glance
while I was like, just try and absorb everything of
what was happening me being in that type of astral
form figure showing up out of the blue, you know
what I'm saying. Of course, you know, saying menacing in

(15:15):
nature stuff like that, not showing any signs of aggression
or anything of that.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
For some reason other I felt there was watching or
basically intrigue.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
By the fact that I when I got pulled out
my body or so, and then that quick, quick glance
of a moment, I remember feeling for some reason like
somebody behind the whole phenomena, almost like a female feminine
type of feeling, somebody in the back taking notes, almost

(15:46):
like a double pane window type of feeling, and the
whole phenomenon has happened in the front. And during that
time frame, like I said, I was trying to absorb
everything of what was kind of going on, like brain
literally just moving from zero to three hundred, you know,
just trying to get a grabb or feel of what's

(16:06):
going on. And I remember just kind of thinking like, okay,
I need some type of help try to figure out
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Just try to what's going on.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
And initially, you know, so I called that to God
because I was like, all right, then, like God, tell
me out, like.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I don't know, you know, what's going on.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
And at that same time frame, this whatever, as far
as the figure was in front of me like looked
at me and smiled or like grinned, and I remember
just kind of just thinking to myself, what was that
or what was that type of interaction? And once and
after when it grinned, everything kind of as quickly as

(16:44):
it came in, as quickly as it went out, the
whole room goes back into you know what, it's regular.
And I kind of remember being pulled back to my
body and everything. And I woke up and looked sweats,
like I said, just brain still moving, just trying to
recollect exactly what exactly just transpire. And I remember glancing
over and I was looking at my girlfriend and I

(17:06):
thought maybe she had got up or you know, i'd
seen what was kind of going on, and she was
knocked out of sleep nothing, And I remember just getting
up and I went to the living room and I
probably was out there for like maybe an hour or
two before I was like, all right, let me just
go get some rest.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
But when I fast forward to now, when I just
kind of.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Put you know, all the pieces of the puzzle together
in a sense and using you know, even like rock
AI or other you know, AI platforms in order to
kind of piece the whole phenomenon as a whole. And
it was exactly what I was kind of thinking about.
And I stated that the fact that the experience that
happened in twenty nineteen had the same characteristics of the

(17:51):
phenomenon that happened to me at my at age four.
Up until then, even after that experience, you know, I
had seen like blue orbs, red orbs. I mean different
things as far as initially, like you know, as far
as maybe like out of the norm or that type
of sense, but doesn't have a time tambleover when they

(18:12):
pop up. They just pop up, I guess without notice.
And n that's pretty much my experience.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Well, thank you for sharing all that, John, starting with
the fox experience, does a fox have any significance to
you whatsoever?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
So even with the Fox, I mean, because it's interesting
as you brought that on, because I know, you know,
everything's been in the news of black about the story,
like disclosure Day, and I went out to the movie theaters,
you know, by myself to go watch it, you know,
and I was just get some time to myself. And
I've been wanting to watch the movie for a long time,

(18:49):
you know, being a fan of that older movie. Yeah,
Close Encounters of the Third Kind I believe it was,
you know, when I watched that movie, Like you know,
I don't want to put any in anything as far
as you know, send out there in that tempestence. But
there was a particular scene where an animal, you know
I'm saying, presented itself and I remember looking at the

(19:11):
eyes of it, and then that that whole form of
that scene it kind of matched what I had seen
at age four in that type of absence, you know,
if that makes any sense. So when for some reason
or another, I do believe as far as you know, Sin,

(19:31):
there's probably been other experiences as that's probably had somewhat,
and I wouldn't say it is exactly to a degree
or maybe send the phenomenon or unknown phenomenon of itself
probably presented itself, maybe in a possible faction of animal
or distinction.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Of an animal.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I mean foxes turned up in
in folklore or globally actually a lot in Asia, you know, Asia,
where they associate with elements of like smoke and mist.
And when it first came into your room from the window,
did it acknowledge you right away? Did it see you?
Did it know you were there?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I don't think it it knew is initially I was there,
Like you know, for some reason another when I keep
kind of replaying that whole you know, that that whole experience.
I feel without a doubt that at first, those first
couple of moments, it did not know that I was
there or I was able to see it, because I

(20:32):
don't there was no acknowledgment in between that type of
state that I was in, like, you know, just completely
you know, frozen in fear of not knowing what can
I even seeing, you know, in front of me. You know,
I've never seen anything like that before, I mean even
at the age of four, So yeah, there, I don't
think there was no acknowledgment up until after, when for

(20:58):
some reason another something gave me the type of strength
to break through that trance and you know, saying do
active instinctively, you know, in order to protect my sister because.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
She was, you know, a baby in a crib.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
And that's when I when I seen the eyes locked
on to me and just like kind of like grew
big almost like you know, saying like fearful or maybe
maybe within that type of degree, you know what I'm saying,
It was like shock, you know that I could actually
see it and I vice versa, and it jumped out

(21:33):
and then took.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Flight your sister was a baby at the time in
the crib. Do you think it was it was there
for your sister the reason why I entered the room.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I've kind of hondered that question too, and I don't
I don't think so. But I think for some type
of reason, maybe as far as like you know, because
even thinking about at this time frame, when when I
had both experiences and just kind of combining both, for

(22:01):
some reason, I felt, you know, maybe it was testing
to that degree. I don't think it was actually doing anything,
you know what I'm saying maliciously, But in that in
that in that quick second, there was a size where
I kind of had to push aside and I had
to you know, protect her nonetheless, because you know, all
I just seen it when it jumped into it jumped

(22:21):
on top of the crib like the rails of the
crib and kind of like I guess, walked around it,
and then it jumped inside the crib, and that was,
you know, when I had to active extinctly from there.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
The big brother and you took over correct very much.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
So even still to this day now, I'm still protective of,
you know, my sisters.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Of course, what woke you up that night. Did something
wake you up?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I don't know what and instinctive it was. It wasn't
anything physical.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
It was almost like somebody you know, send throwing as
far as a piece of information you know, into your
brain or at your brain. And for some reason another
I you know, I got up and like I said,
I was just sitting upright on the bed like ninety degrees.
I don't know, I can you know, best illustrate that.

(23:17):
But I stood up from the bed and you know,
that's when everything was presenting itself.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Must have been quite scary of that age, you know,
not not sure what you were seeing.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
It did because like at the same you know, the
same time, I, you know, aged four, Like I mean,
I I don't remember as far as you know, most
TV shows or anything that I watched that at age.
But for something to happen, you know, like that I got,
you know, as as I'm telling you what had it
transpired for some reason another I've always you know, didn't

(23:53):
had that kind of like knack ability of retelling everything,
you know, almost as if it's happening right then, and
there's almost like a little four K video playing in
your brain and then you're just illustrating it out exactly
how however went about.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, actually, as some of my earliest memories are from
that age, and I remember everything very very clearly, even
though even though I'm nearly fifty and I can't remember
what it did last week sometimes, But there's some of
the memories I have of being that age is incredible.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, some some things that imprints on you. And I
guess here in a sense here it's say just kind
of tattoos itself on you.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
That's a good way of putting it. Yeah, I think
you're right. Yeah, imprint wonderful. Okay, did you ever tell
your sister about this something like this happened?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I didn't tell my sister about that, you know, that
that phenomenon, that experience.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Until years years later on.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
I mean maybe in the sense I was always just
kind of just maybe you know, always protective of her,
and I'll always kind of like protective of her feelings also,
so I told her a little big years that didn't
were afterwards, you know, so she got a little bit older,
and when I told her, I mean, you know, she
was just in disbelief. You know, my family comes from

(25:12):
of course, you know, like a Christian background and you know,
heavily in the church in that type of sense. So
for her, when I told her that, she said that,
you know, it was something may have been something demonic
or anything like that nature. So to her, she acknowledged it,
but she didn't really kind of like believe it. And

(25:36):
for me kind of you know, still growing up in
the church but kind of traversing making my own path
and that type of sense, you know, I knew to
this day in time.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
For her, I was like, you know, when I piece
a lot of.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
My experiences on and I'm like, yeah, no, it's not demonic,
it's just something different.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
And with the when you're four years old and the
Fox experience, did it feel like did it feel like
a test to you?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
It definitely feel like some type of tests.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I mean, you know, you know for years after age
four and then I don't know, for some reason or another,
it guess when kind of growing up adolescents like you
just kind of compartmentalize a lot of things and does
a lot of those things doesn't kind of like make
it kind of right way until like a little bit
later in time frame. But yeah, no, it didn't pop

(26:25):
up you know until now. Frequently but yeah, I mean
it was just different.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
I grew up in a Christian family, and it's good
that you didn't just see as demons and as being
evil and stuff. You just simply saw it as something different. Yeah, correct,
and nineteen now a body experience. Was there anything particularly
that you were going through during that time period, I mean,

(26:50):
were you were you stressful? Were you under any pressure
or anything like that?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
No, don't. I don't think I was any any pressure.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, doing that, I mean everything which is kind of
flowing naturally, so as I was joined as far as
as much time as I could on the weekends and
then I'll just go by the same type of cycle.
But yeah, I don't think as far as there was
any type of stresses or pressures that I can say
that was making some type of influence.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Around that time.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Now, okay, and that was the only time you've had
an that body experience. Have you ever tried meditating or
anything like that? I mean during that period, I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I don't even think I took on any type of
form of like meditation until a little bit right after
a lot of those.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Phenomenon was around twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, I do try my best to you know, meditate
nightly now and just kind of profound myself from there.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Good for the soul, I think, Yeah, that's definitely and
it's very similar to my body experience. That is that
also happened in my bedroom. My wife was still asleep.
Did you know what was happening when you looked by
on yourself and your wife? Did you know what was
happening to you?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Nona?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I mean, because it was like when it when it happened,
and then it's just like you had a flood of
other experiences happened thereafterwards, Because I mean I can tell
even for myself, like you know, even just kind of
growing up, like I never really I never really kind
of looked into it like that. You know, I remember
growing up watching like X files or stuff like that,

(28:26):
or being even scared of watching x files.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
But I mean, for the most part, when it happened,
I guess in the sense like.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
You have to just kind of grab as much as
the data you can you can and just try to
rubric it, you know, and just trying to organize and
then just try to get some type of sense of
what's actually happening.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, I mean, for me, it was it was shocked.
I didn't know what to do. In hindsight, you know,
I wished I had wandered out the house and wandered
around and explored a little bit more. I try and
think how long it lasted. It felt like it was
just a matter of minutes, But I don't know how
long for you did the time? Did it feel like

(29:07):
a period of time all this happened?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Well, I mean, it's funny as you asked that, because
like when that whole kind of phenomenon happened, and even
like you know, when it happened at four, for some
reason another, I always felt like there was this little
box just happening, you know what I'm saying, like almost
like a dimensional time and in time and space just
happening for me and everybody else, you know, sitting on

(29:33):
the outer end, say words, wasn't you know, disturbed vibe?
Because it was weird to me that that whole phenomenon
was happening. And you know, my girlfriend on the other side, like,
you know, for some reason or another, I felt maybe
she had either heard something or anything, but she was
just completely dislodged from you know, what was happening. Only

(29:55):
to kind of get up to some type of courage
and actually tell her about it year and a half,
year and a half afterwards, you know, after it happened.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
And you you could see you actually could see your
your hand.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, it was like a bluish type of green for
some reason another like I always remembered those little there's
a little I don't know, sparkles, you know what I'm
saying in between this as almost as if like you're
looking at space and like you can see those black
you know, send the void in between. But like I said, yeah,

(30:27):
it was like bluish, bluish greenish type for what I
remember distinctly.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Your astra body interesting. I mean for me, I just
felt like a pair of eyes. I didn't I didn't
remember seeing my body. I could move around and I could,
you know, look in different directions. I didn't think to do,
to do anything other than just remain in shock. And
before I knew it, I was just pulled straight back
and I.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Woke up like a first person view exactly like that.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, I mean at the time I was, I was
in the quite a lot of stress. Other than that,
there was no other reason for it to happen, and
it's never happened since.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, because a lot of times, like you know, from
one time or another. But when it was like twenty
seventeen around that period, you know, up until like now,
it felt like as far as there was like this
type of quiet period in my early life teenagers to
like early like twenties or so, and for some reason another,

(31:25):
like I always kind of ask that question, like why
was it quiet in between that little period? But then
it just started vamping up up until like now, and
then I can recollect all these other experiences that happened
from eleven and ten to nine eight or so at
a time, having a lot more questions and then you know,

(31:46):
actually thinking about getting answers, and you know, I utilize
AI saying to try to, like I said, organize and
make some type of sense to some degree, you know.
And I'm pretty sure there's other people out there who
try to do the same on their experience as well.
But yeah, I mean it's just something that you know,
I guess time and time again. I think I'm just

(32:07):
kind of just roving through that type of path of
just figuring out, you know, just like everybody else.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, I think it's important to see if there are patterns.
I mean, is there anything that you've found so far,
say like location maybe or times periods when it happens now.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Because I mean, for something, I tried a couple of
even like videos or even other things you know that
I've tried to collect de other Wise, I tried to
type of rubric it in some type of form, you know,
to try to see those type of patterns, But there's none.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Is like everything's just kind of been sporadic.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
What about the houses if you lived obviously these have
happened in different houses. Did you ever have any other
paranormal activity in your houses, especially when you were younger.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
A lot younger was I don't know, they were more
like spiritual can like I don't think it had anything
to do with like the UFO phenomenon of that type
of sense, but it was definitely something different because I.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Mean there was like one house where my mom and my.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Sisters and I lived that made that timeframe, and she
rented out the house and I lived in the back
of the room. Like it seems like as far as
this room that was just like added on to the house,
and my closet was a furnace, like out of all
the rooms in the house, you know I ended up

(33:31):
you know what I'm saying with the one with the
water heater, furnace or whatever. And I remember I had
my TV at that corner of that, you know, like
I said, just having that door closed and then TV
at the corner. I do remember like there was a
lot of where sometimes like you know, when the TV's
like playing and then like something just like happens like
out of the normal, out of blue. But there was

(33:54):
something that I always kind of felt some type of
like presence, maybe not not my might have been exactly
good in that type of sense. And even when I
told my mom about that a little bit later, and
she believed me because she said that she felt the
same thing a lot of my experiences in a sense

(34:14):
I said around that twenty nineteen and you know, twenty eighteen,
a couple of years afterwards, you know, up until now,
like those experiences at that household where I stated that
happened with that twenty nineteen event that in that household itself,
you know, I felt like had a lot of activity,
and not really in the sense of spiritual peronomal in

(34:37):
that type of sense.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
It felt like it was all a mix of more
uap Nhi.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know, same type of experiences rather than it was
anything spiritual in that sense.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Okay, as far as the religion goes, do you think
this has made you less or more religious?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I wouldn't say as far as less religious, I would
say that I've always got I have been more in
the neutral zone where I still respect as far as
different practices, but I've just kind of chosen as far
as my own path.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
And it's still positive route.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
But I still have as far as like a lot
of my beliefs, a lot of my beliefs aren't going
to change, you know. You know, I still always you know,
simp believe in the one Creator. You know, God's sourcing it,
you know. But I don't think as far as the
phenomenon in that extent kind of changed or.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Put it definitely put a lot of questions in that
type of sense.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
But I think I think just eventually later on in time,
you know, I just kind of seen a lot of hypocrisy,
you know what I'm saying that came out of since
some churches in that elements where you know, when it
was supposed to be supporting good rather you know, later
on and figuring out it was just something, you know,
doing something different, but just more or less I guess
losing a lot of respect in that. But I just

(35:52):
created my own little path, and I'm sure a lot
of other people.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Have done the same. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Absolutely, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Agree with that.

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Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's Time, It's new, It's the x x X.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
The military figure. That was the many time you saw
that particular.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Figure during that time from me had I had been
already separated from the military. I had, you know, separated
back in twenty twelve and served you know, another year
and as a contractor. But within that time frame during
the military, I didn't have any experiences, nothing you know,
out of the paranormal blue or anything like that, despite

(37:22):
as far as you know, the clearance that I had,
but I mean still like I mean, there was nothing
as far as out of the blue or out the normal, uh,
you know that normal view of things scope.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Things, and you definitely felt it was some sort of creature.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
And both experiences, yes, one percent, like I mean, living, breathing,
conscious and then in that type of nature. You know,
I've tried to research to some type of degree, like
what that What was the purpose of like that black
type of like smoke, you know, almost conscious in itself,

(37:58):
able to take you know, in different like forms within itself.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
I mean that's something I'm still trying to figure out
to this day.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
It just depends in what box you put it into,
whether you put into a paranormal box, alien UFO box.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
When I when I actually kind of propose that question,
you know, when I was like using like rock platform
kind of bring to a pretty good distinction of I
guess trying to find some type of baseline about it.
But when I asked the question, it kind of stated
in the form of like in a term of like
interstellar entities or interstellar objects in that matter could present

(38:34):
itself in a different form because as far as the
density of where we are versus from what you know,
what there is so and initially could take the form
of something. But in a long time frame, I always
felt when I kept reliving as far as that experience is,
not having a lot of experiences, I.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Mean, not having a lot of answers out of that.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
And when I kind of thought about it, I kept
thinking that you know what I'm saying, of course, like
maybe it might have been something malevolent, but just the
characteristics of things that happened within it up until now,
like I always asks, as far as I know, you know,
there was more to it than what it was. For

(39:17):
some reason another I felt it was more like a
check in a box because even in an absence, you know, saying,
when I got.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Out of my body and that that obe and.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Then here it is right in front of me, it's
not doing anything observing even you know, saying, even if
I felt like the force of what I felt, for
some reason or another, I felt, as far as I
guess that opposition, that that energy in between because it
was so much like it felt it was literally gonna
like fold you or like fold you in half kind

(39:52):
of like pushing back, you know, almost like it.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Deserved as far as some type of respect in some
type of manner. But it wasn't doing anything. It wasn't
it was just there.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And then when after the experience, when it happened, like
when I asked myself for like a lot of it
and I try to like pay piece everything together, it kept,
you know, striking out to me that some type of
absence in mind, like when I even put it in
AI and like.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Rock or different AI, like it was the same thing.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
It was almost as if it was some type of
training checking a box or seeing what's kind of going on,
observing when as far as when I seen as far
as like the entity when he grinned or like smiled,
it was almost as if I did something that was
supposed to be like it was supposed to be done,
almost like a little like a little training clipboard in

(40:45):
that type of sense, like just kind of like checking off.
Then that was that was initially as far as what
I felt, you know, strongly.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Out of that.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Okay, so again like a test like a lesson, did
you feel scared about this ensity.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I mean it, I mean, when it's presented in front
of you, I mean, you have no choice but to
kind of like feel some type of way.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
But I think my brain was just kind of just trying.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
To raising both what I was seeing being in that
form and just I guess like the brain was just
kind of going too fast enough to even feel some
type of fear in that by absence, Like I think
I was just there just to try to absorb everything
that was kind of going on. And I mean I

(41:29):
think it served right because you know, when I actually
pieced everything together, I knew that there was more to
the phenomenon than what it was, even being connected in
a lot of characteristics.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
As it happened to me when I was when I
was four years.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Old, it was almost as if when it happened, it
wanted me to piece both experiences and try to make
some like almost like little breadcrumbs.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
And after it smiled at you did were you pulled
straight in your body directly after.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
After its mouth and everything, and then it because when
it first came in, when I seen that black type
of smoke, I don't think I remember seeing it flow
into the window as it did when I was at four.
But for some reason, when I remember seeing the whole
room kind of changing, this time, it looked like it
came from out the ground. And then, like I said,

(42:23):
just you know, a whole bunch of just smoking and
you can see it just kind of like take its
form from there.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
You can just see it and you can tell, like
you know, saying it was.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Maybe muscular in size, great stature or I guess overwhelming
stature in that time sense, it.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Sounds intimidating, all right. And when it famed from the
smoke into the figure, was it gradual or was it
just there?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, it was just you can see an envelople of
like smoke and smoke on the ground. And then but
you can see it was thick, you know, because almost
like a void within itself because like nothing behind it.
You know, I'm saying, what's translucent enough to penetrate to
try to create some type of impression. Just kind of
seemed like it was living, breathing within itself, like conscious.

(43:12):
And when it developed, it didn't happened quick. But I
guess in a sense when I was looking at it
it maybe I mean, I mean maybe a span of
like maybe a couple of seconds and some type of degree.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
But yeah, it came straight out from the.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Ground and then like an enveloped in into itself, and
I guess collected, you know what I'm saying, because I
felt like as far as the smoke came from in
different areas and then it just enveloped into itself.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
And to this figure you mentioned.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
A female and did you see this female presence in
the room.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
I did not see the female presence in the room,
but it was like something that I stranged, you like,
felt when I was trying to collect everything that was
kind of transpiring.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
It was something that just.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Kind of hit me for like a second or two,
and I got it like a quick glimpse of like
some body on the other side, almost like taking notes
of what's.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Kind of going on.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
And I wouldn't say exactly like a double pane window,
but that was the only way I could describe it.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
The whole phenomenon is happening.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Within that room, even though as far as you know saying,
my girlfriend wasn't disturbed the figure in front of me me,
you know what I'm saying, Physically laying on the side
of my bed being pulled out, my body in that
outer body experience and then at the same time having
like that quick type of like glimpse of like almost
like a female figure in the back, like taking notes, like.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
You're being observed.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Yeah, So it's a strange element to that. Yeah, And
since twenty nineteen, have you experienced anything else, anything else
that's possibly connected to this.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
So I had another experience that happened a little bit
after those, like a couple of years afterwards. And I
mean it kind of sucks in between because towards you know,
saying I had lost somebody, you know, saying close to me.
So in that experience, I remember I was coming home
from work, maybe like a Thursday or something like that
I can't really kind of recollect in terms of the day,

(45:13):
and I went outside as I always did, out in
the garage and just kind of relaxed a little bit.
And I remember on this particularly like evening, it was
maybe six seven six seven is sure, or so, like
when the sun's.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Like the sun's already kind of gone down, but there's.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Still a little bit light, you know, since still a parent,
and I remember seeing this kind of like bright object
in the near distance, you know, a couple of neighborhoods.
You know, I'm saying a wait, And I kept kind
of thinking to myself and I'm like, I'm looking at
the time, and I'm like, it's a little bit early,
you know what I'm saying, for like a star to
be out. I was thinking that in my brain because

(45:51):
it was brighter than anything else I was out there,
and for some reason, it almost felt it was like
shimmering or different color, almost like you would see like
the fastest of fastest of a diamond, you know, like
you would see those different little colors.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
From a distance.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
And I remember going in the house and coming back
outside and it was gone. And later in that evening,
like I had got my telescope out. It was a
full moon that night. I think it was maybe a
super moon night, because you know, I remember it was.
For some reason, I felt, you know, excited to kind
of just take the telescope out and look at the moon.
And I remember I was talking to my brother, you know,

(46:30):
so I call him, you know, he's a cousin of mine,
but but you and I always kind of grew up
with him, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
It was always like a big brother to me. And
I remember when I was talking to him on the phone.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Started a conversation and I was talking to him about
some things, and then I was like, you know, hey,
you know, did I ever tell you about what happened
to me at four years old? And He's like no,
and he's and then that's when I kind of went
along and I was telling him the experience that happened
to me at four years old. And so I'm going
along as far as the story looking at the moon,

(47:03):
just you know, relaxing and stuff like that, and I
remember all the dogs in the neighborhood start like barking,
just different dogs in the neighborhood barking, barking, barking, and
I remember kind of thinking that I'm like, man like
it was, you know, like, you know's what's you know,
the dogs like just barking in the neighborhood like that.
And then it goes from barking to like dead silence,

(47:25):
still going along telling my brother was kind of going on,
and then that next thing, I get this type of
inkling just like just like a lot of experiences of
four like hey, something's about to happen. But this time
I got as far as you know, saying be aware
of feel like your surroundings or or look behind you
or some that type of sense like that that type
of thought process, because when I was in the driveway

(47:49):
having my telescope pointed, you know, at the moon, I
think it was like more like east. And then what
I get, as far as you know, sending from that
happened came in from complete opposites like the western and
I got that type of inkland and it was like,
you know, hey.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Be surrounding and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
And you know, mid conversation, I turned around and I
seen this this husky dog and you can kind of
see it, like you know, saying like didn't have like
any type of sense of malicious.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Or just like just some type of dog out there
on the streets.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
But I remember looking at his eyes and it's like
they had these like blue eyes, but they were beautiful,
like I don't know how did it quite describe it.
And it was like on the side of the on
the sidewalk, and then it took a little couple of
feet in and I was when I was kind of
thinking and that kind of pausing between my brothers on

(48:44):
you know, in my headphones, and he was like, hey,
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
And I'm like, I don't, I don't know, but not
you know, from there, I kind of freaked out a little.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Bit because, like, you know, sitting in an instant like,
I kept on kind of thinking, I'm like, did I
manifest this?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
You know?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Here I am looking at the willon, having a conversation
with my brother and telling him about my experience at four,
and then you know, these dogs go off. Next thing,
this husky looking dog just like shows up out of
nowhere and like it creeps up, you know, sent up
until on my grass. And then I remember I went

(49:20):
back into I slowly went back in the house. And
then while then I'm trying to trying to tell my brother,
like on the other line, what's kind of going on.
And then I'm just like I'm like, I'm thinking in
my mind, I was like, you know, I've been through
you know, employments, you know, sent overseas and stuff like that.
Like I don't just get spooped up, you know, by
just anything. But for some reason, I guess I was

(49:42):
just trying to race my mind around the fact of
what just happened, what's happening. For some reason or another,
when I kept looking. When I was looking at the
dog before I went in the house, like it had
like this face of just curiosity for some reason another.
And then I remember going in the house and I
was trying to explain to my brother, and then I

(50:03):
eventually got pissed off and mad at him because I
felt like he wasn't really taking the situation seriously enough.
And I remember like momentarily before I got off the
phone with him also too, because when I was talking
to him, I kept hearing like static and like noises
in between and that, and I think that's another thing
as far as that I was getting pissed off at

(50:25):
him because I kept on telling him. I was like,
why do I keep on hearing these like static noises
in between? And He's like, what static noise? And I
was like, no, you're you know, you're you're trying to like,
you know, make fun of the situation. And I was like,
I was like, I'll call you later. And went back
outside because I remember my telescope was outside, so I
didn't want somebody to you know, drive up and you know, say,

(50:48):
you know, grab grab my thing for you know, whatever
reason or so so I go outside and I remember
I had my bottle, I had like a bottle of
soda bottle, and at this time frame, you know, the
husky went from the grass and into my front driveway,
and I remember I threw a bottle at it, and
it skipped in between like the dog's legs, and I

(51:11):
remember like the dog just like looking at me, like
dead in the eye, and just like why are you
throwing a bottle at me? And that's that type of
sense I got from it. And then from there, like
I don't know, I just kind of I wouldn't say
lost it, which it was just like okay, I need to,
you know, get back in the house. And so I

(51:33):
remember grabbing the telescope and then putting it halfway inside
the house.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
And that was gonna drop my garage door.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And then after when the when the bottle like skipped
in between the dog's legs, I think eventually afterwards it
just left because I mean, I don't know, it's just
it was gone. And then I remember, even like looking
even back on the camera at the timeframe, I remember
seeing it lift, you know, after I threw the bottom,
and it just kind of like trotted and went across

(52:03):
around the corner of the neighborhood and that was it.
But for some reason or another, I still had the
garage like halfway open, and I still had the telescope,
you know, like I said, like halfway out the garage inside,
and I was gonna bring it in. So I lifted
up this far as like the garage door, and something

(52:23):
told me to look up.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
And I look up and I see like this yellow, this.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Ball of like light, and it seemed like it was
like close in terms of like proximity and distance. And
I kept like thinking to myself, you know, I'm like,
I try to think about schools kind I was like, okay,
could be a plane, could be you know what I'm saying,
maybe a drone or something like that. But when I
kept looking at it, it was just it was just solid,

(52:50):
just right there. And then I grabbed my phone and
I was trying to record it. And while I was
trying to record it, of.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Course, like you can't for some reason, you can't get
a good focus.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
And while I'm like looking at it, and I remember
seeing it, and it moved and then moved, and it
moved quick, you know what I'm saying, Like from that
frame and into another frame from where it was at
and then just moved, you know, adjacent to it, like
what am I looking at?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Until then when I was trying to get a good
focus of it, and that's when.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I can see it's like starts to pick up speed,
and it just took off like you would see like
one of as far as like a supercar, you know,
just going from zero to sixty and just like taking off,
and it left out from from view from there, and
then from then, you know, I was just trying to
just like, okay, you know what what exactly just transpired

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from there?

Speaker 3 (53:43):
It's odd.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I mean obviously it wasn't. It wasn't just some neighbours
dog that had wanted in. You'd never seen this tusky before, No, And.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I mean I'd been out during the evening a lot
of time frames and it, I mean I would see
like straight dogs kin across and you know, nothing that
that I've seen in that type of name.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Sure, when you know when I heard that static in between.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Like you know, when I was talking to my brother,
I don't know, for some reason another he passed away.
It was like like two years afterwards or two or
three years after that incident, and for some reason I felt,
you know, when I was hearing that like static noise,
like I don't know why, but I always try to
make some type of connection in between the two, almost

(54:24):
like you know, since somebody sending a message, you know, hey,
something's gonna happen, like yeah, yeah, a soft knowing.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
I guess, yeah, self knowing of course. Thank you for
your service, John, Okay, I appreciate. Was there any time
during your deployment did you ever did you think this
everready came in handy? Do you think it was maybe
preparing you for something?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
The military aspect, I believe in a lot of sense
because in terms of character wise, I guess characterized, you know,
I guess you know, because you know, in the military,
and a lot of sense. I mean even with the
Marine Corps, you know where I served that. You know,
there's a lot of discipline, there's a lot of you're
basically stepping out from I guess like a normal civilian

(55:08):
mode to something else. So you're learning a lot of
different tactics, controlling yourself emotionally. This is so forth how
to conduct yourself fight or flight, you know, since situation
to some degree, I felt like, you know, when I
try to piece to a lot of things together, I
always kind of felt like, you know, there was probably
a reason that I did have to serve in the military.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I don't know why, but you know, you know it
all made sense.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Sure, there's so many unusual connections. Obviously you've got some
thoughts about what it is, what it can be, what.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Does it mean?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
It does in a lot of sense because you know,
even kind of jumped back when I was stating earlier.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
You know, when I went to go watch Disclosure Day, a.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Couple of scenes within it, like I don't know, I
was more shocked in a sense because I was, like,
you know, where, who could have offered you some information
to be in a lot of details with an adjacent
to my experiences. I'm not saying it happened like exactly,
but you know, when I watched it and the particular

(56:13):
scene that I've seen, it definitely raised a couple of
hairs off of me.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
What I kind of felt.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
You know, I had this weird, really weird Fox experience
years ago, and I lived in a cold sack and
my house was at the very end of these row
of houses, so it was at the end of the
coldy sack and I can't I had to put the
rubbish out. It was gone midnight, and I walk out
go to the bin, and I stop and I turn

(56:41):
around and I see foxes right now. These foxes were
in like a semi circle around me. They were just
all sat down, just staring at me. I've seen a
lot of foxes over the years, of course, it was
just a weird experience. There was one fox felt like
he was old. I mean, he kind of looked old.

(57:02):
He looked like the most mature, probably the leader of
the foxes. It was just such a weird experience. They
just sat there and didn't move towards me. They all
just looked to me. And I traversed back inside the gate.
Then I ran upstairs and looked at the window and
they all just, one by one, they all just walked off.

(57:22):
It was really strange.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Wow, Like when you said something about like the oldest
one that came out for some reason, that what popped
out to.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Me was like elder.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
That's exactly what it was. That's what it felt like.
His colors were different than the rest. You know, some
looked young, young foxes. They tend to be very playful,
and but they just sat there staring at me. But
they were in a semi circle, not together. They were
spread out in a semi circle. It was it was
so strange.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
What age range do you think that was around?

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Probably remembering how long it was in that that particular house,
probably about twenty seventeen, I think it would have been
about that time.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, that's very odd.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
It was very odd.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Foxes they generally when they see you, they scarper. They
as soon as they see a person at night, they
just they run and carry on looking for food. It
was like I walked into some kind of I don't know,
like a meeting or they were judging me. I have
no idea. It was just so strange.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
That's definitely odd. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
To some degree, I feel like when a lot of
the phenomenon, you know, sin presents itself in the animal form,
I felt for some reason it's almost like a comforability thing.
If I can't show as far as my truth form,
maybe I can have a form in something else and
with you you know, being somewhat okay with it.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, So the animal side of experiences, it's something which
crops up a lot. We're not just talking about normal
casual scene of wildlife. There's usually some kind of strange
situation that you're in. I've heard it from from foxes before,
I've heard it from deer owls. Obviously, owls is something

(59:05):
which which crops up a lot and always has done.
It's unusual. It is, like I said, it's not just
the seating of normal wildlife. Do believe that it is masked?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Well, when you said something about owl like, I mean,
I wouldn't call this an experience.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I would just call it, I guess raadic event. After
I had left as.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Far as the Houston region, came over to Florida at
the timeframe to, you know, just kind of like help
my mom out.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
You know, she was going through a couple of health
issues or so.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
So you know, I came over to kind of help
her out, you know, saying get her back up on
her feet. And I remember there was one night I
was outside, you know, on her porch. And while I
was out on the porch, you know, I was just
doing what, you know, I think I was listening to
music or something like that, and this owl came out
of nowhere and I remember like seeing his wing span

(59:56):
because it was it was pretty large, and I remember
it just kind of whooping, just a couple of feet
away from my distance, but I can actually see it
almost as if you would see something do like a
fake out and kind of like fly towards you. The
wings spent up and it just kind of swooped up
above from there. And when it did that, I wasn't

(01:00:17):
scared or was I you know, say, shocked by it.
It was just it just happened so quick, and I
was just like, oh, you know, surprising, and that type
of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I've always felt, you know, like knowing what I know
now has a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
More visibility in a lot of other experiences because you know,
just like you said, I mean, I think there's definitely
as far as some type of pattern that can be
made out with a lot of experiences, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
And that to that degree, yeah, but I mean, for
the most part, I think that the spark of that that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Knowing is something that I've kind of been getting like
relatively to as far as like experiences, uh presenting itself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Because when I stated earlier, when I seen as.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Far as like a blue orb in red orb, it
was like almost like the same same type of instance,
you know, seeing when it happened when I seen the
blue orb, and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Just like this beautiful type of blue.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I was like taking my dog guy, you know, I
just got him as a puppy, you know, saying not
too long ago, and I took him outside in the
backyard to you know, use the restroom, and upon bringing
them back in the house right split, you know, sending
between as far as that doorway, I had got like
some quick knowing as far as like something was just
about to happen. And so when he runs back in,

(01:01:38):
you know, he runs in the house. I remember I
was looking to my right and and that's when I seen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Like this blue ball. And it was a beautiful type
of blue.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I don't know what to kind of describe it, but
it was just vibrant, and I had took out my
phone and I was trying to I was trying to
communicate with it by turning on the flash on my
phone on the back end and even back and forth.
And I have no clue to this day why did
I do that, But I was able to record to

(01:02:08):
some degree of that presence until as far as you know,
when I was doing what I was doing, and I
was like, all right, yeah, I probably like a full
doing this, and then it just it turned in a circle.
And then it just took off from there and it
is like left out of the scene pretty quick, and
a little bit afterwards. I think it was like a

(01:02:28):
couple of months after or maybe in a year after.
So I remember there was another experience where I was
just watching TV and I got the same thing as
far as that type of inkling, I need to view something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
I was watching TV.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Then I like paused it. Then I got up and
I felt like, you know, I'm saying, being drawn.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Some way outside.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And then I go outside in the backyard and I
see this like red big ball, you know what I'm saying.
It was like solid and then like blink blink, blink,
and then like solid. It was relatively pretty close and
for some reason another I was kind of thinking in
my brain, I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Was like, Okay, that's probably somebody got a drone out,
you know, just flying around.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
But when I looked at the size of it, and
I'm like, nah, that's a pretty decent size, A little
bit bigger than a basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I mean, that's a pretty decent size like drone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
And it wasn't making as far as like any like
rotary type of like noises like you would hear.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
But I remember when I was looking at it, and
it was movement.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
It was moving like smooth, and but for some reason
or another, I kept hearing like clicking sounds like almost
the only thing as far as I could describe, is
those old Disney movies when they make those little clicking
clacking of those you know, mechanical parts.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
And I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
It was moving like, you know, cent across, you know,
in the neighborhood. There's two houses in the front, and
I remember kind of going behind the first house, and
then it was moving towards like the second house, and
and I'm just like looking at it, and I'm just
like I can I can see. And for some reason,
when I kept saying as far as like I can
see because it's same, for some reason it was just

(01:04:09):
like I knew it was aware of me, and you know,
vice versa, because like it was moving along and it
went towards like my neighbor's roof line, and I remember
seeing it like peak its head out and then like
peaked down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
When I was thinking in my brain thought process like
I can see you, Like why are you? Why are
you hiding? Is what I was saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
And then it did that maybe like two three times,
and then it gradually just kind of moved out, you
know what I'm saying, moved out, and I guess, you know,
saying just you know, out of you from there, almost
like in curiosity is what I got.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Interesting. Well, John definitely keeps updated, you know, if you
do have any profound experiences like this again you almost definitely, John.
I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for
our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I know it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
John.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Okay, keeping contact and we will speak soon and enjoy
the rest of your night, sir. All right, you too,
Thank you, take care bye for now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
John.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Before we end this week's episode, I'd just like to
take a moment to say a few words. Last Friday,
I received an email from a listener named Ronald from
the Netherlands, and he wanted to let me know that
the following Wednesday he would be undergoing euphnasia after a
long battle with chronic pain. Over the last few months,
Ronald and I have exchanged many emails and what started

(01:05:29):
as a message from a listener became a friendship. He
once told me that listening to the podcast helped distract
him from the pain at night, even if only just
for a little while, and hearing that was something I'd
never forget. Ronald was one of the kindest, most thoughtful
people I've had the privilege to get in to know.
Despite everything that he was living with, he never lost
his compassion and he reminded me to appreciate the little

(01:05:50):
things in life, the moments we so often take for granted. Ronald,
if there is another side, as you believe there was,
then I hope that you found a peace has been
denied to you for so many years. This episode is
dedicated to you, my friend. Rest easy and until we
meet again. Well that is all for this episode. Keep
updated and connected with the show on x Facebook and Instagram,

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and if you have an encounter that you'd like to
share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO
Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out
to me via the contact page on my website UFO
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to John
for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I

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will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and
keep watching the Skies. Goodbye.