Ep.402 The Triangle Over Hurlburt

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
UWA 517, do you want.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
To report a UFO, over?

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Negative. We don't want to report. Ares 31, do you
wish to report a UFO, over?

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Negative.

Speaker 4 (00:11):
We don't want to report one of those either.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Ares 31, do you wish to file a report of any.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Kind, over?

Speaker 5 (00:17):
I wouldn't know what kind of report to file, sir.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Ares 31, me neither.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
There's a 7-1 Papa Golf.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If there was.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Anybody above us that passed us like 30 seconds ago.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
There's a 7-1 Papa Golf.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Negative.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Top six. A UFO.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's a murder. 10-95. Yeah, something just passed over us.
I don't know what it was, but it's at least 2,000, 3,000
feet above us. Yeah, it passed right over the top
of us.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
9-1-1.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
You guys with me?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
We just called about three. Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a
place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained.
If you've had an encounter and would like to be on.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
The show, you can email me at ufochronicles at gmail

(01:32):
dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Hello everyone, thanks for tuning in. I'm Nick Hunter and
this is the UFO Chronicles Podcast. Tonight's guest is Kyle,
a former US Air Force aircraft mechanic who later worked
for Lockheed Martin and now works with the US Space Force.
In late 2017, while driving to a night shift at
Herbert Field, Florida, Kyle witnessed a silent black triangular craft

(02:12):
hovering at treetop height beside the flight line. He later
reported the sighting to Aero and was formally interviewed about
the encounter. is up next but first if you enjoy
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Speaker 5 (02:56):
Hello, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Thank you. Thank you. Hello.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
It is great to have you joining us tonight. And
you're coming to us from the state of Florida.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay. Now, Kyle, you have something that you'd like to
share with us. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir?

Speaker 3 (03:15):
All right. Well, I guess to really start at the beginning,
I should probably tell you my background. So it's not
just a random person telling you. So from 2008. to 2016,
I was in the Air Force. I served active duty.
I was a communication navigation mission system specialist on the

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specific aircraft of the MC-130H. That's not necessarily important, but
some of the people may want to see that. It
has a big nose because it's radar heavy. It has
a lot of radar stuff. So I specialized in literally
the communication and the navigation of the planes. So I
was a staff sergeant. So part of that is like

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training people and like, you know, making sure they know
what the.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Heck's going on. And I'm signing off inspections.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Part of it is I'm driving other people around to
make sure they're doing the jobs they're supposed to be doing.
So I did that, like I said, from 2008 to 2016.
And then I got out and took a year off
at home because I was pretty burnt out.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Let's be real.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
And I came back and then I worked for a
little airplane industry, neither here nor there. But eventually I
was like, I want to get back home to Florida.
So I took a job at Lockheed Martin working as
a simulator technician. And that was 2018. So from 2018

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for that whole year and when some change, I was
working for Lockheed Martin.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I did a couple of different jobs later on, but
long story short.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So yeah, I am coming into my Lockheed Martin job
as a simulator technician. And I'm working at Herbert Field, Florida.
This is literally, I worked all eight years as a
staff sergeant for the Air Force at Herbert Field. I
deployed in TDY's shore, but all eight years I was

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stationed right there. So if I know what I'm talking about,
you know what I mean? Like I was stuck there.
And then, so when I got this Lockheed Martin job
and saw it was at Herbert Field, I was like,
holy crap, I can literally go right back to where
I just left.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's crazy. So I did.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
And I started working right back on the flight line,
doing all sorts of stuff. Long story short, I'm coming
into my mid-shift job that I'm working on now because
I prefer mid-shift just because, I don't know, I have autism.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm awkward.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
I'm weird.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I don't really like talking to people and having fake conversations.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
So, I'm driving.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
The only time I, only reason I know exactly what
time it was is because I was running one minute
late to my job and I was literally seconds.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Away from being there.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
It was 1201. Unfortunately, I don't remember the exact date anymore,
but I believe it was late October because I hate
bringing this up, but it was, I believe the Las
Vegas shooting was happening around that time. Cause I remember
specifically being in my supervisor's office and around that time.
And yeah, we just have very limited office space. So

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it was, you kind of had to be at a
specific tier to be in certain people's offices. If that
makes any sense, like if you're too new, you know,
you're not granted those permissions. So I sent a cryptic
email to myself the day it actually happened on my
Lockheed Martin email. But of course I can't access that
anymore to know the exact date.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Sorry, that was a little ramble, but okay. Anyway, I
was coming in that night.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
So I worked at the 15th AMU, the aircraft maintenance
unit for the Air Force the entire time I was there.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
It's on the specific side of the flight line.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
And if you just go around, we call it the
bend because it's literally just a bend of the flight line.
If you drive around that, that's like a whole other
side of the flight line. They have the CB-22s and
they have like Lockheed Martin.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
And stuff like that. It's like, you know, more, I
don't know, out of sight.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
So I was kind of finally going there for the
first few months. That's where my job is now. I'm
coming around that bend at 1201. And I literally, the
first thing I had was, it felt like somebody flicked
inside of my skull and the top left part of
my brain, like flick from the inside out. And the

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best way I can kind of explain that flick was like,
if somebody had a balloon and they rubbed it on
your forehead and they slowly pulled it away, it was
like that static shock. And I literally said, what the
F was that? And I looked up, and that's right
when I saw, perfectly spaced out, there was three, I
hate using the word glowing lights because they weren't lights.

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They were, what I used to always say, it looked
like a burnt out street light. It wasn't really glowing
as in the purpose of glowing. It was more like,
now knowing what I know, it's more like a discharge.
So what I saw was three perfectly spaced out they
were like orangish with a hint of purple glows in

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each corner they weren't touching the corner but they were
a little inboard from the corner and i never lost
sight of those three glowing things and they were that's
how i knew it was perfect equilateral triangle so when
i was driving i had to like show you a
map or something but i was driving directly underneath it

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that's the messed up part it was sitting there just
hovering at the end of the runway and I'm driving
outside of the runway around the flight line to go
to my Lockheed Martin job. And that's when I looked
up and this thing is slowly turning. And the only
reason I can tell it's turning is because those three
dots above me essentially are turning equilaterally spaced out. And

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the tip of it is like scanning. That's what I
always said. It looked like it was scanning because it
was perfectly fixed It was not moving up or down
at all.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
It was just turning. And I was like, yikes.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
So I literally, I put my window down and I
was like, I remember saying like, put your window down, idiot.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
I did for some reason.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
And there was no sound at all, except for the
crunching of my tires on the road. And I was like,
I remember instantly thinking like, this is weird. Is this
like a sound distortion? Because on the right side to me,
there was a little bit of wood's And you could
always kind of hear like the crickets and the birds
when you open the window there. And I don't remember
hearing anything except for literally the crunching of the gravel

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of my tires. And so this thing is not moving
anywhere and it's sitting right at the end of the runway.
And I'm there's a roundabout and kind of like a
big bend at this point so I'm driving around it
seeing it from multiple angles as it's also just turning
very very very slowly but it didn't change angles it

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was only ever so I could only ever see the
underside of it so I don't know what the top
side looks like at all And then part of what
I saw was literally nothing. I always said the darkness
between those spaces was darker than the night sky.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
That's what caught my attention.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
The space in between those three plasma orbs, essentially, is
what it is now.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
The MHD thrusters.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Let's be real, that's probably what that is.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Sorry for another time.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Those three glows, there was almost like you could see
a camouflage was trying to work. Cause it was, like
I said, darker than the night sky, but every once
in a while it had like a glint, like it
was trying to take the camera and reflect.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
What I was seeing behind it, but it wasn't doing
it appropriately.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
And I don't know if I was just too close
to it, that it wasn't working appropriately.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
So I was driving around this bend.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I got to see it for maybe 10 seconds while
I'm driving around this bend. Cause it's just sitting right there,
literally at the end of the runway and At Herbert Field, Florida,
which is backtrack a little bit, this is the Air
Force Special Operations Command Headquarters. So where they do all
the secret squirrel stuff. Conveniently, I'm seeing it 12 o'clock

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at night. I don't know what day of the week
it was. I wish I would have known. It probably
would have been like a Wednesday or something knowing them.
But when I saw it, I straightened back out because naturally, obviously,
I don't want to crash. And I looked back just
to see if it was in my rearview mirror. And
it was just instantly gone. I couldn't see. There was
no streak, no anything. I just was gone. So I

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looked at my eyes and there was nothing. I was like,
what the F? I was rushing back to my work
because at this point, like I said, I'm already one
minute late to my work. I think I was maybe
three or four months into my job. So I'm not
super new, but I was pretty darn new that I'm
not comfortable enough being late. And I sure as heck,
I'm not going to come in and say, hey guys,

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I'm pretty sure I just saw a UFO. But so
for me, I know how people are like, yeah, the
triangle UFOs, that's pretty well known at this point. But
for me, I saw this in 2017. I didn't even
really know triangle UFOs were a thing. Like we previously
talked a little bit. I'm not really trying to be
in this UFO thing. I just happened to see something

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and that is what I saw. So I didn't tell
anybody for the longest time about this because it was like,
what do I even say?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I just assumed.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
If something's at the end of the runway, it must
have been ours because our government cannot be that bad
that a UFO is just hanging out at the end
of the runway.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Like I could hit it with a darn rock.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Like if I got out of my car, I probably
could whip it as hard as I could have and
it probably hit.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
The damn thing.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Like that's how close it was. So I'm like a
little thrown off. This is why I've always kind of
felt like it had to be ours because there's no
way that they're that bad, I would hope.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Thank you for sharing that Kyle. Interesting. So what, what,
what time did you, would you have started your night shift?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
It was literally at 12 o'clock. Exactly. I think it
was 12 to eight.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Cause it was 24 hour coverage with that kind of stuff.
Cause you always want to keep it going just cause
they do training at all times. So somebody is always there.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you're already running late for your job.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
And I was the newest guy.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And I think at the time I was like 27 and,
And I think the youngest guy was like 36 or
something like that. So I'm already like, oh my God,
I'm the newest guy and I'm late. There's no way
I can come into my work blabbing about UFOs. You
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
So you're traveling along Independence Road, the roundabout?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, I believe that is the name of it. Pretty
sure it hasn't changed still.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, Independence Road. Okay, so you're traveling from the west.
You're passing the foresty area on your right-hand side when
you first spot it out of the roundabout.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, basically that area.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
There's a roundabout and well, you don't necessarily have to
take the roundabout, but there's a road that goes right there.
I can't remember which one it was because at the
time they were building the roundabout and then they were
like closing the lanes down and rebuilding it and changing
it and putting a thing in the center of the roundabout.
But either way, the point was is I went directly

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underneath it because of both of those roads lead directly
underneath it. So I was seeing it from multiple angles
while I was going slightly out of my own angle,
you know? So I actually complimented Sal Paez in my emails.
I was like, whoever built that, kudos to them because
I couldn't see a single thing. I couldn't see a
single antenna. I couldn't see a single thruster. There was

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no sound. There was no distortion. It was just black.
And yeah, he didn't necessarily engage on that, of course,
but he responds every time. So yeah, after that, of course,
I was very messed up with what I just saw.
I was like, because I had at this point, at
least nine years and, you know, being an aircraft mechanic,

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I know exactly what the heck's flying around on that base.
I've seen everything I've had to have secret little planes land.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
You know, help them out.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
You're not supposed to talk about, you know, nothing crazy,
but definitely not that.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
So I.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Started looking it up and I kept, you know, just,
what did I see? Okay. The triangle shape, it was equilateral.
I knew that for sure. And I knew that there
was a distortion in each corner, but it wasn't touching
the corner.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
So I started looking it up and Dr.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Salvatore Paez's patents kept popping up over and over and over.
And I'm like, this can't be real. I was like,
this cannot be real. I was like, there's no way
that this is just so accessible that it's out here.
And then I started to like run it around in
my head and I'm like, but this makes sense. So
my job is literally, I'm an electronics mechanic for the

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Space Force now. So like part of my stuff is
I kind of understand what he's talking about in these
patents with electricity and, you know, all this mumbo jumbo.
So it was like, this kind of makes sense. So
I reached out to him literally and emailed him military,
military and told him my story. And that's when he said, Kyle,

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you're not insane. Uh, And then literally, I want to
pull up exactly what he said because it's almost better
than what I'm going to say. But that's where he
sent me three of his patents without me even asking.
And then just started calling me his Space Force brother.
It was like the guard went down all of a sudden.
All of a sudden, he kind of almost felt like
at ease with me. Like he knew a secret that

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I knew and that all of a sudden, you know,
we could share it without having to necessarily talk about it.
So it was really like he, I instantly knew he
was a sweetheart just from emailing him. Because we emailed
maybe four or five different times and talked about my
own theories. Of course, he's never really going to feed
on anything too much. But yeah, after that, I started

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seeing it more and more. And then I kind of
pushed it in the back of my head. And I
was like, OK, well, if the government's not responding, then
it must be ours. And clearly, they don't care. And
they don't want to hear my story. So I should
just shut up and keep doing my job and not
get fired. Because I got a wife and two kids
I need to take care of. So I kind of
just kept ignoring it. And then I'd see random UFO

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stuff pop up throughout the news and black triangles and
very specific things. And I'm like, you always see in
the videos, they're like, if only we had a government
person that would come forward and tell us what's going
on and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
And I'm like, all right, well, I need to.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Be truthful to myself because I'm an Air Force aircraft mechanic.
I did that, you know, like my credentials are something,
so I shouldn't just keep dismissing myself. And maybe I
should tell people what I actually saw. So that's when
I started talking to my, the government's AI and I
filled out my arrow report and I submitted it to them.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah. There's so many stories.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
And what was their reply?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
They got back to me.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
I believe I said in my one video, I believe
it really was two days because, or in my paperwork,
I filled it out like angrily. Like I didn't fill
it out in the lines because I was like, this
is BS because this is already multiple years of me
talking to Lou Elizondo, like text messaging him. That's a
whole nother side story I need to probably bring up.

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But so I was texting Lou Elizondo for years. So
I use Lou Elizondo as my point of contact on
my form. And part of the form is they get
so ridiculous with it that they want, Not necessarily your
social security number, but even worse, it's your DOD ID number.
So that's a specific number that's tied directly to you,
your social security, and your government stuff that you do.

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So I use that being like, okay, there's no way
that you guys can ignore this. And if you do
ignore this, then that's going to tell me even more
that my government just doesn't give a crap because you
can't get.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Much more qualified, certified.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I'm giving you everything you could possibly want, and you're
not going to respond?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
But they did respond. So that was weird.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
I was like, holy crap. So I finally got a
phone call. And like I said, I wasn't paying attention
to these people's names and stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
I just knew it was somebody with a K. In hindsight,
I looked at it. I was like, oh, my gosh,
that's it's in the news now. So I talked to Dr.
kapatrick and he had like a staff sergeant secretary basically
but with the original phone call they were like hey
we're gonna call you and it's gonna be on secure
so feel free to say whatever blah blah blah blah

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but like they were telling me i have to like
click on some stuff activate some stuff and yada yada
long story short like a week's pass and not maybe
not a week but a couple days And they get
back to me and they just straight call me and
they're like, go ahead. And I just tell them whatever.
And there was no clicking of anything. There's no activation.

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They didn't tell him, warn me anything. It was very
strange right off the bat. And it was very much like,
tell me what you know. And they played really dumb.
And he literally was, so I told him everything I
told you, but like, he wasn't asking any kind of
like pertinent questions. It was asking me silly questions like,

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why do you think it's called the TR-3B? And I
was like, well, you know, at this point, like, how
does he not know?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Like, why is he asking me this? This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I was like, well, I'm assuming tactical reconnaissance three because
there's probably three thrusters and B because of the second variation.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And he just gets quiet for a second.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
I was like, and then I mentioned Dr. Sal Paez
and his patents to him. And he gets quiet and
kind of just dismisses it. And then I was like,
I kind of tried to backtrack on that. I was like,
you know, he works for the Space Force now, right?
And he's like, oh, I didn't know he works for
the Space Force now. And I don't know if he

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did or not, but I don't know, because I might
have been reading the email thing wrong. It could have
been he works for the Space Force or the Navy.
But the point was, I caught Dr. Kirkpatrick admitting that
he knows exactly who Dr. Sal Pius is and where
he's located after he just blatantly ignored me mentioning the
patents about it.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I'm like, Right then and there, I already knew, okay,
this guy knows.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
About the patents. What I'm talking about, he doesn't give
a crap what I am saying. He literally only wants
to know what I saw. So I'm like, okay, this
is more than enough information. I'm done telling you anything else.
So he was like, did you have anything else? I'm like,
I'm not going to tell. I didn't say this part
to him, but I was like, I'm not going to
tell him anything else. But there really wasn't anything else.

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So at the end of it, he was like, he
wanted me to make a video, essentially, whatever I did.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
And then find.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Others and come forward and express it. I was like,
that's crazy to me. I would have thought Arrow would
have said, don't talk about this. But yeah, that was weird.
But to backtrack even more on that, sorry, this is
why my story is crazy. Before this, I work at,
like I said, the Space Force Radar Building.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
And it hit 50 years old a couple years ago.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
And part of the 50th anniversary, the commander said, you
can invite anybody you want to the 50th anniversary.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
So I was like, okay, bet.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
So I invited everybody from To The Stars out to
my workplace. So I included Chris Mellon, Tom DeLonge, I
believe it was going to be Steve Justice and Lou Elizondo.
And they all agreed that they just wanted to be
a fly on the wall and come to the place
and just hang out and leave afterwards, like, you know,

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nothing crazy. And it's because they're all like, you know,
military associated or former veterans and stuff. So that started
my like five years of texting Lou. And I never
told Lou Elizondo about my UFO at all. The entire time,
I just kind of wanted to keep it cool because
I'm sure he hears about UFOs from everybody, you know?

Speaker 1 (23:22):
So we were just talking about like our military stories.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
He was literally telling me like one of the first
conversations was talking about how he's a former counterintelligence CIA operative.
I was like, that was our first conversation. I was like,
so people were like, no, he's not.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I'm like, what are you talking about? He literally doesn't
hide it at all. He literally told me after that.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
The commander eventually got to talking to public affairs and
public affairs noticed who these people were. And she ended
up saying, no, you cannot have them come out here.
So instead of, of course, saying that. They did say
that to my face, but then they said, well, actually,
instead of inviting as many people as you want, you

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can only invite four people. And then I was like, okay, well,
I have four people. And then like a day later,
it was like, okay, well, each person can only invite
one person. And I was like, so I have to
find three other people who are going to vouch for
the people that.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
They don't know. I was like, okay, nevermind. I'm going
to cancel this.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
So I canceled to the stars coming out to visit
my work radar. And Lou Elizondo sent me out a gift.
package essentially with literally a letter that says like, Kyle,
thank you. You're our hero. Say hello to your lovely family.
It was like a bunch of stickers and patches and whatnot.
But with that, he gave me a coin and it

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is very, very, very cryptic coin. I'm assuming Tom DeLonge
must've made this coin, but on the front, there's like
the Ventruvian man and NASA symbols and stuff like that.
But on the back, there is only one UFO on it,
and it just so happens to be the exact same
UFO that I saw. Perfect equilateral triangle, black, and in

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each corner, you can see they have a little circle.
I didn't see, on the coin itself, it has the center,
big circle. I didn't see that one. I've heard about
that one being a thing, but I just was like,
I started to be like, you know how mind-effing this
is that Lou Elizondo sent me coined of the ufo

(25:23):
that i saw that i never told him about and
then i was like i need to like he took
a minute for this really to sink in i'm like
lou elizondo you know i mean like it's sending me
maybe i should stop ignoring this i've been texting him
like i said i texted him and you should see
some of the texts the latest one i kind of

(25:44):
i just straight up say lou i know what the
f is I'm seeing in the news is the TR
three V and some of it isn't what is going on.
And I need you guys to answer like kind of thing.
And he's like, don't worry, brother. The next administration is
going to take care of this. We got some friends
that are, you have to read it. I'm butchering it,

(26:05):
but it was very like, don't worry. The next administration
he's partnered up with basically. And to not to worry
about it. But I was like, this is like one
of the first times I'm really telling Lou that I
saw it. And he's, extremely dismissive, doesn't care to ask
me a single question, already kind of knows what's going on.
And I'm like, he's never asked me a question since.

(26:25):
So I'm like, after literally texting this guy for five years,
like I know the names of his dogs. I know
what he likes to do for hobbies. I have his
personal cell phone number. He knows my wife. He literally
sent me happy birthday messages to my wife. This is
crazy to me. And now we see how it's all
playing out. Yeah, I was kind of one of the
people to not necessarily call out Lou, but just to

(26:49):
be like, Hey, this is what's going on. And this
is what he said. And he knows a lot more
than what he's telling people.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So he's intelligent. You tell people what they need to
know or you, what you want them to know.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Once I started posting my videos, everybody who ever talked
to Lou, that isn't his bestest friend would come to
me and be like, Kyle, he's told me for weeks
that he's going to get to me to the right person.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
And he's never sent me anybody.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
And like all these people are like the tippy top
of like the government. You know, they've done 20 years
in the military or the CIA or pick a thing,
you know. And they're just like almost essentially blatantly being ignored.
I keep seeing that.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I mean, I just just based off of how they respond.
It seems like it's ours. And either they're playing catch
up or. I mean, I don't know how else to
say it.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's ours, right?

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Because if not, then they should be asking me questions.
That's my only logic. If it's not ours and if
it's truly alien, there should be a panic. There should
be a rush. They should be rushing to discuss the
tech even more than people like me who are like,
let's discuss the tech. Let's discuss the tech. Because that's
something that we can actually figure out. We can measure.

(28:06):
Science is a real thing. It doesn't matter what kind
of alien we have out there. They're still using science
to make whatever these things are.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (28:15):
So that's why I'm always like, can we stop having
the same shills on is what the word is every
single time controlling the narrative when they're experts at a
specific tech field and they're only coming on to talk
about aliens. That's a little weird. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I mean, seeing as you, I mean, you work in
this field. The sighting you had was on an Air
Force base. So I think to say it's anything other
than ours would probably be crazy.

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Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's time. It's new. It's the X.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
What size would you say this triangle was?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
So, yeah, that's one thing I was actually kind of.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
So when I try to give it to my AI
and try to make sense of it, AI always tries
to make it sound like it's a 600-foot wide one.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Because that's what most people saw, I guess.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
But the one I always saw, so I drive a
Chevy Traverse. It's like, you know, a midsize SUV. It's
about two times as wide.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Like it's not massive.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
It's about the size of like a fighter jet, like
a little.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Bit more wider.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
But like I said, I don't know because I was
directly underneath it.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I don't know how high it goes.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I assumed it didn't go that high, but from other
things I've seen, people claim it's like a pyramid.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Everything I've always seen, you know, it's triangle that's, With
how big it was, I mean, you don't necessarily have
to be, you know, you could have what I said
size-wise just sitting down easily if somebody was even in
it to begin with.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Would you have said that there was plenty of room
for someone to have been inside it?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah. I'd say that it could easily probably fit, like,
two people.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
What kind of height off the ground?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
So this is where I'm bad at.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
I don't want to, like, guess the wrong thing and
then sound like I'm lying, but it was literally, like,
tree height levels is what I was trying to say. So, like,
whatever Florida high trees are, you know, like not super high,
like our palm trees only grow so large. That's why
I was saying if I had a, if I had
a gun on me, I absolutely could have shot it.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Assuming the bullets aren't going to be deflected. It was
that close.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Like I definitely, probably if I would have whipped it
as hard as I could have, I probably could have
hit it. I don't want to say like a hundred feet.
Maybe I don't, that's probably still excessive.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Pretty darn close.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
That's why I'm like, there's no way that the military
didn't pick up on all their sensors and There's no
way that there's no other witnesses because it was just
sitting there like nobody gave a crap. And one of
the later on things I kind of always said is
the way it sat there was like, you know how
when somebody turns on the air hockey table and the
puck just starts to float all of a sudden and

(31:42):
it kind of like turns if it's going to turn
just based off of the airflow. That's basically how it was.
It wasn't turning like it had an intention. It was
turning like somebody just turned off the gravity and that's just,
how it was left slightly turning, if that makes sense.
That's why I always kind of say it looked like
it was panning the flight line to like scan it almost.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Okay. And did it seem like it was going to
land on the runway? It was coming in.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
No, it wasn't going up or down at all, like
I said. So it wasn't giving me any signs of
it doing anything. It just looked like it was observing.
It looked like nobody either knew it could see it
or it just didn't give a crap.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Because it was... It was blatantly obvious when you were
right there.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
It was like, there's no way that nobody else saw this.
That's why I never wanted to report it for the
longest time, because it was like, I'm going to get
whacked if I tell somebody this. Like, there's no point
of coming forward with this.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
So at that time, that road wasn't very busy.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, not at midnight.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
No, there's only like maybe like three cars that drive
through that, you know, just. Yeah, because mostly everything on
the other side of the flight line is kind of closed.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Down at night.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Like I said, I almost never go to that side
of the flight line just because I was used to
the other side. The other side has like Burger King
and like the BX and all the facilities that I
would actually use for my old unit.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Because certain units, you know, are on certain sides.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
So if your unit's not even on that side, you're
basically never even exposed to that side.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
And do you recall any other cars on the road
that possibly would have seen this?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't remember any.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
But that was, this is what also was messed up is,
like I said, if you look at a map, like
right around that bend is the 15th AMU, right where
I worked. So like, I feel like everybody that was
working right then should have saw something too. This is
why I almost wish I, I should go back, but
it's going to be one of those points of this timing.
I'm just going to seem crazy, but like, there's no

(33:38):
way that people on the flight line couldn't have seen something.
And I know that there's other Eglin reports and I've
asked other people I've worked with and they definitely said,
I've seen weird lights in the sky, but, nobody really
ever wants to talk about it because we don't have
anything to say, you know, other than, Hey, we saw
some weird stuff and it was gone. And, you know,

(33:58):
it's not really worth losing your career over or looking
insane when you don't really have much to talk about.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
So when you got to work, you didn't mention it all.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
No, I didn't. Not to those guys.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Cause those are all the, if I was on a
flight line back in the day, like I probably would
have mentioned it to my.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Fellow young airmen knew that I was, you know, with, but.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I was with like literally like 60 year old guys
who were all just worried about looking at their YouTube
and getting the night done. I didn't want to bother them.
And I was just trying to figure out what the
heck I even saw myself.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I was literally terrified.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Like when I was driving there, what my only thought
process was, don't slow down. Don't let it know that
it saw you. So I didn't mean I didn't change
my course. I didn't like do anything crazy. The only
thing I did was maintain my speed, put the window
down and try to watch it the entire time. Cause
I was the entire time I was thinking, I'm seeing
something that I'm not supposed to be seeing. And I

(34:51):
don't know why I just felt like that, but it
was just like, don't let it know that you see.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
It kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Even though, like I said, it was so close that
there's no way that this thing didn't know that I
was right there.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
So it was all kind of silly.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Interesting. When you passed under it or when you were
in the vicinity of it, did you feel anything? Did
you have any effect from this or even your car
at the time?

Speaker 3 (35:13):
I unfortunately did not. I would be lying if I
said I did. Besides that initial flick, In my head,
that made me look up.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
That was it. As soon as it was gone, though,
I did feel like.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
The feeling of, I don't know, this sounds silly, but like,
almost like a spiritual person, like when you know a
person dies, like when they just.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Leave the area.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's almost like when it was, I couldn't see the
lights anymore. I was almost like, oh yeah, I know
it's gone. Like, I don't know if that makes any sense,
but that was really the only thing I could really feel.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Okay, no, that's fine. But you were shocked at seeing it.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
It's the only time I've ever seen anything like that,
especially up close.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Way too close.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So up until that point of 2017, had you ever
heard of an object like this?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I've heard about flying saucers, of course. I think I've
seen a couple triangles, but I didn't know it was
that popular. I knew about, obviously, military aircraft because I'm
well-versed in that. So I just assumed a lot of
these kooks were like... Oh, yeah, I saw the F-117.
It was, you know, some kind of UFO, which, you know,

(36:22):
it's believable. So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I try to keep a healthy skepticism.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
In the Air Force and in the military, we always
kind of had the motto of, like, trust but verify.
So I always, you know, you trust what you see,
but you need to double check it. So I've kind
of done that with everything.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Had you ever seen the F-117? It's the Nighthawk, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, not like flying as a mission. I guess that's
technically not true. I saw it in Bagram, Afghanistan, but yeah,
not like up close, no. Just flying around and stuff.
But where I'm at, it was mostly heavies is what
we call it, like big old cargo planes and C-130s, AC-130s, CUV-22s,
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Whenever people mention a TR-3B, they say, oh, you know,
all you saw was the B-2 Spirit or the F-117 Nighthawk.
But this was completely different to what you saw.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
So we have Eglin. So I was naming just aircraft
that's on Herbert Field. And then at Eglin, you have F-16s, F-22s, F-35s.
I mean, those are obviously extremely loud and have very
specific types of characteristics. Obviously, I'm not just some Joe Schmo.
Like I said, I'm an aircraft mechanic, so I know
what they look like, what they sound like. I know

(37:37):
what the antennas look like. I know what their capabilities are,
all that kind of crap. So yeah, that was definitely
not like, I mean, literally I can go outside my
house right now and I can probably.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
See like five aircraft.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I can literally hear one right now flying over my house.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
There's so, there's so many airports around us and military bases.
We constantly see things. So I know that's not really
giving credit to what I'm trying to say, but I
know what I'm looking at based off of, you know,
if you see a train a thousand times, you know,
a train's not a dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
So you're guessing, you know, with, you know, radar facility is, is,
well known as this then they would definitely know that
this object was there.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Or they're trying to intentionally hide their own stuff so
that was the other beauty of all of this um
i work now at the world's largest phased array radar
in the world and i've been doing that for the
last eight years for the space force so i literally
get to see everything flying in the sky and yeah

(38:39):
we tracked When I first started, it used to be 22,000 objects.
Now it's 23,000 objects traveling at 17,500 miles an hour
because that's the orbit of Earth's speed. And then like
every 90 minutes, we got to track the International Space
Station and stuff like that. So my job, like I said,
it was electronics mechanics. So I repair the transmitters, receivers,

(39:04):
the power supplies, all that kind of stuff to make
sure that this big old radar facility keeps working. Because
it's literally like 10 floors on one side and like
seven floors on another side.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, tracking all sorts of crap in space.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Site C6, I mean, it's a strange looking building, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, made in the 60s to detect nukes from Russia.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
And super powerful. What is it? It can pick up
a basketball-sized object floating in space.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, I don't know. to say.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I don't want to get into too much there, but yeah.
I mean, definitely, it's out there. You can Wikipedia it.
They definitely say basketball-sized, but there's a certain range, of course.
Everything's at ranges, of course. But that's why I'm always like, okay,
when I saw that for a job after I saw
my UFO, I was like, wait, I can go and
work at a place that, could potentially see these UFOs.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
And, of course, nobody's ever talking about it here.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Right. So you didn't look into maybe it's been picked
up on site or anything like that?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
To be honest, and I'm sure my work doesn't want
me talking about it, but it's whatever, most of it's
automated nowadays, and they're making it even more automated. So
even if, let's say, the government was tracking something, higher-ups
could literally tell it, to go track this object. They
type it in, not even knowing what they're tracking. It
could be a UFO. They're never going to know it.

(40:22):
All they know is they got returned and sent back
to headquarters. And all I know is my machines are
still working.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
So, you know what I mean? It could be anything.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
And nowadays they're kind of, like I said, they're getting
rid of the military's tracking. So they could just, oh,
let's see what this is. If it's not ours, they
could easily task it to track UFOs and we wouldn't
even know. Or let's say if it is ours, they
could just say, hey, don't give the returns on this.

Speaker 1 (40:47):

Speaker 3 (40:47):
So, like, there's so much that even if I did know,
it might not be the truth because they could easily
just change it somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Tracking stuff right on the radar. When you're sighting happened
just a few miles down the road.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, basically. Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness out here.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I've asked certain people to look into certain things because
when you start looking into it, you're like, why is
it always near military locations?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Spaces why is it always near the water why.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Is it always senators who are the highest paid people
in the area and yeah i don't know i don't
want to make any connections here but i do online
at least yeah so like i don't i have i
had a lot of weird like spiritual stuff at the
same time so i don't want to necessarily like people
that had you know very because i'm sure people have

(41:38):
had their own experiences that are like absolutely you know
they know for a fact it's not government related and
i don't want to like say everything is government related
you know i mean because i very much know that
the the spiritual part is a real thing that is
kind of honestly tied to this ufo stuff so i

(42:00):
don't want to dismiss people and have them thinking that
i'm just saying every single thing is the government and.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You want to be a fool to say that it
isn't but it's part and part so a part of
what people are seeing um Military tech, because it makes
complete sense. You're going to see stuff that's not in
the public domain. It's out there. You're probably years ahead.
There's probably stuff now which we haven't got a clue about,
you know, until people start seeing it. I mean, chances are,

(42:27):
you know, the TR-3B, you know, then the 3 has
probably changed to a 4. It's probably a 4 for
a 5th gen by now.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
And that's what I was trying to tell people. That's
how it is for the military. If you ever see
a new jet come out, they... are already having two
new better ones for themselves, and they have a slightly
worse one that they're going to sell.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
To their allies.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Exactly. So we've got to be crazy to say that
it's not the case. We definitely have military aircrafts being spotted,
as well as some very strange stuff, which definitely wasn't
made by us.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, some of those are like, okay, that's questionable.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
We've got some very advanced stuff, if that is, like
just a ball of plasma.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
And.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Before you got involved in all this, you had your
site and you started researching a little bit more. Did
you have any interest in the subject whatsoever? I mean,
you're obviously interested in technology. Did you have an interest
in science fiction and the like?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I always had a strong spiritual connection, like I said,
just because....

Speaker 3 (43:35):
I had like a lot of family members die really
early on, like from cancer and stuff growing up. And
I kind of always like you feel their presence when
they're there. And every week I'd have my like my
godmother is what she was. And I have my like
aunts and uncles over and they'd be playing music. And
you could just feel when they're there and when they're
not there, you know, like, oh, they went home. OK,

(43:56):
I already knew that kind of thing. So like I
had when they died, it was I don't know. I
just kind of felt like their presence was still around.
And the more I started to acknowledge that, like talk
to them and like, not like a psychopath, but you know,
but just like, just say how you're feeling and stuff.
And like the universe would literally respond. So like if

(44:19):
I went into my car and I was sad, my
aunt's name was Eileen and she was my godmother. So
I would literally, the second I walk into my car,
come on Eileen, we'll be playing on the radio. And
that was like one of her songs that we all
like gathered together and had like you know, one of
the most happiest, purest memories. Like we literally went on stage,

(44:39):
like while people perform that and stuff like that, or
just like something you might be, again, like you might
be sad and you go outside and a ladybug just
lands on your hand and the ladybug, like you remember
the time that your grandma really went out of her
way to express how much she really liked ladybugs and
you instantly get a sense of your grandma and all
of a sudden you can smell her perfume and you're like,

(45:00):
what the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I mean, like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Like I just had, those experiences thousands and thousands of
times where it's like, okay, this isn't something I can
keep ignoring.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It does make sense. No, we, we, we have that
in all different forms.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
So yeah, I've always had like weird spiritual stuff like that.
I'm not even going to try to touch on it
because it gets so woo woo that it almost tries
to like take away from what I'm saying, but these
aren't even my stories. It's like family members stories or
like people I know and love and trust. And it's
not even that I can like confirm.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Like the details.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Like they'll have a vision of somebody dying and we'll
look up the stuff and we're like, what the hell?
Why is that person real? And why was they actually murdered?
And like, just really creepy, like premonition kind of things.
Like always the warning, like, Hey, I feel like something
bad is going to happen today.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
And your cousin never says that to you.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
And they go to the state fair and two people
die at the state fair from like a freak tornado.
You're like, okay, maybe this is something I should not
ignore when.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
My cousin dies.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Never tells me that he's worried about us. And then
some freak accident happens at the place that he went.

Speaker 1 (46:08):

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Like that's kind of the stories I've always had. Or
like another one was somebody broke into my cousin, my
other cousin, his sister's house. And they came in through
the basement and there was two people and they were
ransacked in the bottom.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
They were about to come up.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
To the top. The only reason they know about this
is because they got caught by the cops. But the
two people ran up were about to run up the
stairs and they said they saw an old lady standing
at the top of the stairs and it terrified them
so much that they ran back down the stairs and
ran out the house and then eventually got caught by
the cops and then that's when they asked them they
said why did you not go up to the top
of the house and you know continue robbing and they

(46:47):
said they saw that lady and they're like there's no
old lady in this house it's just two people and
then come to find out my cousin looked into it
and like there was an old lady who died in
the house and starts to realize that there's this protective
energy that's always protecting your loved ones, so much that
it's involving the police and scaring away criminals. And you're like,

(47:09):
this isn't something I can continue to keep ignoring.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
You can ignore something like that. Isn't that interesting? So
it's like a burglar system, really. Probably better than a dog,
a ghost.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I don't know what it is, but it seems like
guardian angels really are a thing. It seems, I don't know,
the more you just logical the more you give back
to the universe the more the universe tries to protect
and preserve you but also at the same time if
you are such a radiating light of positive energy there
is negative things out there negative people out there that

(47:42):
will try to squander that and get rid of it
and yeah that's a whole nother conversation no.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
We've we have covered this countless of times on the
show when people have an experience whether it's ufo related
or the paranormal they usually go in hand in hand. Usually,
I mean, on this show, I mean, we cover so
much stuff and a lot of it is because I
think it's all connected. You know, I think it's all
connected in there. So we have UFOs, we've got paranormals.

(48:10):
We do have cryptids now and again. They do, you know,
we do get the big old furry man show up
now and again. But yeah, I think it's all connected.
And a lot of time when someone has had UFO
experience of any kind, there's usually a history of paranormal
experiences in their family.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, I always just thought it was normal.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Apparently not.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
It's not normal for everyone, but it's paranormal.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
So that's when I also, that, that ran through my
head when I saw that UFO, I literally thought was this.
Cause you know, you go online and you start seeing, okay,
this is a signaling. This was a message for me.
I was like, that was another thing I rolled through
my head.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
If this wasn't, it was so intentional, you know what
I mean? Like it was so sitting in plain sight
that it was either the government didn't care. or this
was some kind of weird signal for me. And I,
you know, you kind of have to take your ego
out of it and be like, okay, this couldn't just
be just for me.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
But how many times did you pass that particular way
to go to work? I mean, you don't, you haven't
been in your job very long. So you'd obviously taken
that road at that time or thereabouts.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
That specific spot, maybe like 50 to 100 times eventually
it'll probably be like you know 300 times but right
next to that spot I'd probably done like a thousand
times at least because I did eight years there.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Right so really if it was particular test on a
certain day a week or a certain month or once
a year whatever you would have probably seen it.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah I would have thought so That's what I would think.
That's why I'm like, there's no way. I'm the only
person that saw this. It bothered me for so long.
That's why I was like, do.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
I report this?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
I'm going to look insane no matter what I do.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I mean, at that time, would you have known what
to report and where to report it?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
No, I still hardly do.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Even when I asked for help back then, like Chris
Mellon and stuff like that, I even messaged them. He'd
be like, send your stuff to this one guy. It
was just like a guy making a book.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I was like, what?

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I thought you were going to like, you know, connect
me to somebody and then I get a phone call
or something. Like, yeah, that was always my, Chris Mellon
literally said, that sounds about right. When I told him
my UFO experience, I was like, are you kidding me?
I was like, so if you don't care, nobody cares.
Everybody's telling me this is normal.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Okay. I don't know what to do with this information anymore.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
So what, by telling your account, Kyle, what do you
hope will come out of it?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
I'm just hoping that, I don't know, there's so many
people like me. Like I keep seeing David Grush and
Borland and like all these guys that I'm like, you
guys realize I have like the same amount of military
experience as them. And I know like so many people
just browsing online that have like more time and experience
than me. And yeah, like they maybe don't have technical stuff,

(50:57):
but it's like, why are they all being ignored? There's
very specific people that are just being pushed along, pushed along.
And they're saying a very specific narrative and, And it's
just bothering me that people who are extremely qualified in
the tech and extremely qualified in the career fields are
just being blatantly ignored. And it seems like it's intentional

(51:17):
to me. So my only hope was, I don't even
necessarily want to be the person. I know there's better
qualified people to be the person discussing the tech. And
the fact that nobody is doing it should shoot up
a ginormous red flag to everybody. Because if it is aliens,
like I said, We should be rushing to discuss the
tech even more so than just, hey guys, this could
be ours.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
This is my thing.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
And I just want people to be asking the right
questions to the right people instead of just bringing on
certain people to, you know, they see them in the
news again. Here's the same person talking about the same
thing with nothing new. We're only doing it for clicks.
It's like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
The amount of times I get emails from still serving
members who are very reluctant to go on air, even
retired folk I've had contact me And say, for instance,
which this happened several times where they're receiving disability allowance.
They said, I want to go public with this, but
I can't because I am scared of having problems with

(52:17):
my disability.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
They will absolutely do that.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Having it all cut. And that has been a bit
of a problem. So I've heard a lot of stuff
which I can't share publicly because it's got to remain
completely private. which is a shame, even though there's a
lot more openness and you can come out and report
this stuff, but can you? And is it 100% safe
to do so? And obviously there's a lot of military

(52:41):
out there which won't be so trusting, no matter what
they're saying. They wouldn't be so trusting about actually coming
out and sharing their accounts.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
It's funny that you say that because I.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Am actually under investigation for my work a few days
ago based off of my YouTube videos, is what they claimed.
But my work is so unprofessional because they don't actually
follow any of the Air Force standards that they're supposed to.
That was the entire purpose of my videos. I was
calling them out for exposing us to asbestos and epoxy

(53:14):
and stuff like that. But now they're saying my YouTube videos,
which include all of my crazy woo-woo ones about UFOs.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
And everything there is. I was trying to explain everything.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
There's literally nothing classified that I've ever said. personally because
i don't know anything and i sat down and talked
to them and like the form that they gave me
was just so crazy it was like you're under investigation
but it doesn't tell you by who doesn't tell you
how long it does it just says you still have
your security clearance and you still have access to everything
but the only reason i think i'm under investigation is

(53:47):
because i put it out to headquarters that my unit
is so bad that knowing what they're doing that yeah
So I'm hoping that it's innocent and my place is
just investigating me because they're so bad at their job
that they're trying.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
To correct this.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
But it also is very convenient that all of a
sudden my YouTube videos are being investigated for an open term.
It doesn't say, like, for, you know, being a freaking
terrorist or whatever, for giving out state secrets.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
The problem is, I mean, it could just be they
just do not want attention drawn to things like that,
especially asbestos.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
yeah well that's yeah because they don't oh that's unrelated
but that's just an example of how bad so like
this place was built in the 60s and they never
set up quality assurance so they never have like inspections
they never had people come out and do safety stuff
literally there's no like checks and balances to anything which
is when you're coming from the aircraft maintenance world you're

(54:44):
like this is literally criminal for starters And like the
tiles would come up in my building and there's literally
asbestos under the tiles. And they would lie to us
and say that, no, there's no asbestos. And our guys
would go out and independently get it tested at like
laboratories and come back and be like, hey, there's asbestos
here and send it to the commander. And they would

(55:05):
just give us like the most dismissive kind of BS.
And then conveniently, like there was a downtime for the
first time in eight years of me being here. And
when I come back and all of a sudden there's
signs up for asbestos being removed from building on certain floors.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
No email to a single person.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
About asbestos, how to avoid it, not to breathe it in,
anything at all. And now I'm seeing that there's more
floors with asbestos. And I'm like, still, we have no emails. No,
I'm rambling, but this is just how crazy it is.
Like they tell you to do jobs that don't have TOs,
the technical orders. It hasn't been updated since the 60s.
It literally tells you to burn this. banned chemical this

(55:42):
toxic epoxy that is and then it tells you to
use these two chemicals that are banned because they're so
toxic that you can't use them and i reported this
to occupational safety place because i'm like we're burning this
epoxy off with a blowtorch and we just have this
side fan on that sucks out the air and there's
no instructions that says this is safe how we're supposed

(56:05):
to be doing it and then i mentioned it and
i'm like hey guys the to tells you to put
their thing down on an asbestos rag and use chemicals
that are banned. So how can I do this job
with a TO that tells me to do things that
are illegal? This normal air force would tell you immediately stop.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
This is illegal.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
You could literally get like arrested for doing this job
because it doesn't tell you how to do it properly.
You're literally putting everybody's lives in danger. It got so bad.
Like that's just one example that I involved like senators,
Senator Moody. I was involving congressmen. Like this is, It
all got dismissed. It all got pushed under the rug.
This is how bad Eglin is. This is how bad

(56:45):
everything is, the good old boy system. That's why I'm like, huh,
let me start to look into Eglin myself, which is
why they don't like me making videos all of a sudden.
If you look into it, Rick Scott is the highest
grossing senator all of a sudden for the state of Florida.
And he's on almost every one of the military approval
committees for all of this stuff. And if you look

(57:07):
into it, who is the congressman for my district, basically
he rules over Eglin only. And he answers basically only
to Rick Scott, if you start to look into it.
And it's very much like one checks, one checks, one.
And you could see how much it would be like, yeah,
I could very much see how we could have secret
stuff here. And you just pay off like four people

(57:30):
and that secret's still kept. So that's why I'm thinking
they don't like me really looking into their shit.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Or bringing attention to it. They've probably earmarked your file.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Yeah, maybe, probably. Like I said, I'm being investigated, but
I'm an open book. That's the whole problem with theirs.
I've been making my stuff very public and well-known for
a very long time. I have, like I said, 17
years of serving my government. So it's like, hey guys,
if I was going to be a terrorist, you'd think
I would have.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Done it a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
So they have no record of... Like, you know, I
have no criminal record. I still have my security clearance.
I'm sure they're going to try to mess with that.
But I'm hoping not.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Because you're supposed to help the people that are not
attack them. But that's just my experience. And if you
talk to anybody, I'm sure you've talked to so many people.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
But it's at first you.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Want to be like, no, these people are all schizophrenic,
crazy people thinking they're all being targeted or subjected to something.
But it's like, no, some reason somebody doesn't want these
things being talked about, shared. said and it starts to
become very very obvious like i said with certain people
being amplified and certain people being ignored.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yes yeah um it is a real thing unfortunately you
can only do what you can do have you been
approached by any other military personnel after putting out your
videos have you had anyone you know obviously don't name
any names or.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Anything not other than what just happened.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Okay so no one has approached you from the base
or maybe another base.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Nope not even You know what's even silly is I
saw technically a UFO last week or so, and I
actually posted it. and I tagged Eglin in it, and
that's probably originally how they kind of saw some of
my stuff, but there genuinely was an aircraft in it,
and I don't think it was a UFO because it
had flashing green and red lights, but it's not that

(59:23):
big of a deal or interesting, but it's in front
of my military radar, and the entire area is a
no-fly zone for obvious reasons because they're going to get
radiated and it's going to mess with my radar so
i took like a whole video of this aircraft essentially
flying above and in front of the thing and uploaded
it and i noticed all of a sudden it had

(59:43):
like thousands of views after tagging maglin so i'm like
i don't know what's going on but if we really
it seems like we almost don't have control of our
skies so i'm kind of almost backing up on my
is it ours Because the government doesn't seem like they
know what the heck they're doing with anything, as we're
seeing from the news.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I'm also guessing that there's multiple airfields on that area.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Like, I can go on top of my work radar,
and because it's so tall, you can see, like, seven
airfields just flashing their lights in the distance. So it's, like,
literally all woods as far as you can see, and
you'll just see, like, strobing lights everywhere you look.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
And it's not a secret or anything. Like, you can
look on Google Maps and see, like, it's surrounded by airfields.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
So like anybody could just secretly land anything they want,
anywhere they want. And there's all sorts of missile silos
because they used to test V1 rockets that they captured
from Germany.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Back in the day. So I'm like, yikes, there's all
sorts of secret squirrel stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
As to be expected. I mean, I guarantee it's been
put to good use for special operations or budget projects. Yeah,
to our listeners, if you would like to reach out
to Kyle, I will put his details in the description.
So whether that's a podcast or any other maybe military

(01:01:03):
folk that would like to reach out to Kyle, I'm
sure he wouldn't mind.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yeah, I want answers just like everybody else. I'm an
open book, is what I always try to say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
All one answers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Perfect. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Kyle, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your
experience with us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Well, thank you. You've been a pretty awesome host. You
made it pretty painless.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Pretty painless indeed. It's been wonderful to meet you, Kyle.
All right. Keep in contact and we will speak soon, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you. No problem.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Take care of yourself. Bye for now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Well, that is all for this episode. Keep updated and
connected with the show on X, Facebook and Instagram. And
if you have an encounter that you'd like to email
me at ufochroniclesatgmail.com or you can reach out to me
via the contact page on my website ufochroniclespodcast.com A big

(01:01:56):
thank you to Kyle for sharing tonight and thank you
all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
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