Dr. Irena Scott on UFO Disclosure, MUFON Investigations, and the Pascagoula Abduction

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is Irena Doctor Irena Scott, how are you, my friend?
Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Well, I'm glad to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Awesome. So you have quite a story. You've done a
lot of research. You've been in this field for a
while enough to have enough not just as a researcher,
but as an encounter someone who has had encounters with
UFOs craft and ets and things like that. So, just
starting off, let's give the listeners a little bit of

(04:54):
a background about who you are and what you bring
to the table.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
Hey, I'm not a professional ufologist. My background is in
science and I received my PhD from the University of
Missouri College of Veterinary Medicine in physiology, had postdoctoral research
at Cornell University, and had a professorship at Saint Bonaventure University.

(05:24):
My masters was from the University of Nevada, and my
bachelor's was from a university from Ohio State University in
astronomy and biology. And I've done research and teaching at
the Ohio State University College in Medicine in the University
of Nevada. I've also worked aircraft identification, and I've worked at.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
That which is relevant to UFOs.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
Plus, I've also worked at the Tel Memorial Institute, and
I've been sent for work related purposes to write Patterson
Air Force Base. So I've basically worked at three places
that had to do with UFO phenomena, but I wasn't
directly involved in and I just worked there and found
out about things.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
So you working at these places, you've have you heard
the UFO discussion of different people who are in maybe
higher seats of authority, who are respectable people talk about
the existence of these uh you know, craft or ets
or anything like that.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
I've known people that worked for Project blue Book. I've
talked to doctor Heinik briefly, and my last book contains
a lot of his handwritten letters. And I also know
a person that worked with him fairly closely at Project
blue Book and at Hotel and I've used her notes

(07:00):
on things in her documents in my last book, Sacred Corridors.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
So what I guess to kind of skip ahead. I
know you have tons of encounters and experiences and things
like that, but I don't even know if you can
answer this question. But what's going on? Like, what are
we in contact with? What is watching us? Isn't? Is
it ancient? Is it aliens? Is it demonic? What's going on?

(07:28):
Because something is interacting with this outside of the Earth's atmosphere?
What I mean? So, at the end of the day,
what do you think it is, what are we in
touch with? Well?

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Being a scientist, I've studied this for quite a while,
and my basic knowledge is I just don't have any idea. Wow,
many years of study. It's very odd and mysterious, and
I don't know if it's technological or spiritual or anything else.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
I like that answer. I like that answer because you know,
a lot of times people come on and they have
it all figured out. They can tell you that we're
in touch with the Oucturnian light beings who travel the
seventh galaxies to be here to make contact and give
us divine knowledge. And these people have these well crafted
stories and they have books and they're experts in that field.

(08:24):
But I kind of at the end of the day,
I've had a ton of encounters seen mini craft, and
I'm with you, it's hard to pinpoint and just say, yeah,
this is what's going on, this is what it is.
You see, there's a bunch of experts out there who
have maybe had one encounter, like from the Christian community,
they'll say, yes, they're demons, you know, and just blanket

(08:46):
across the everything is demons. And I don't think it's
that easy. I don't think it's as easy as saying
that they're all angelic. I don't think it's as easy
as saying that they all are physical beings that live
on another planet. Right, There's like lots of different things
that we've seen is captured on camera and pictures and

(09:07):
people having encounters. What was some of the stuff early on?
I love to address this to see what kind of
gets people into this. And I've heard some of your story,
but what was some of the experiences early on as
a child that you had that really got you into
researching UFOs or just these different encounters with the divine?

(09:29):
What were some of the things that kind of sparked
your interests interests early on?

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Well, my interest from early on was something that happened
to my sister and I before we had ever heard
of UFOs. It was years before we heard of UFOs.
Even we were poor and living in the country and
we had one radio, but my parents selected the stations
and things, so we didn't hear much about We didn't

(09:56):
hear anything about UFOs, and I didn't know anything about it,
and it took me years to figure out this was
a UFO experience. But my sister and I were sleeping
in an attic room. She was about four and I
was about six approximately, And it was a nice clear night,

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and she was in one side of the room and
I was on the other. And it was an attic
room with walls that sloped upwards and came together in
the ceiling about three feet apart. Well, I was asleep
and I woke up and there was this thing flying
around the room, and I had no idea what it was,

(10:38):
and watched it with curiosity. It looked like a little
piece of hot metal and it was just flying in
sort of a browsing motion, up and down and back
and forth, and flew around the room several times and
got close to us several times. I didn't know she
was awake. And after it flew around for a while

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and I was just curious, I realized that it avoided obstacles,
like if it came to a wall, it would turn
about a foot away, or if it came to furniture
it would turn. It didn't bump into anything, and so
I thought, this isn't something inanimate. Even at that age.
We both I mean, she was awake too, but I
didn't know. We both realized that something was not normal.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
About this.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
It was nothing like a lightning bug or anything like that.
And after a while it flew up towards the ceiling.
It made a right hand turn at the ceiling so
it didn't hit anything. And then it went to the chandelier,
which was in the middle of the room and turned off.
The room was dark, and it began to circle the
chandelier between the chandelier and the walls. It didn't feel

(11:52):
its way around or anything.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
It just seemed to.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Know where the ceiling was and where the chandelier was
and began circling. And it circled quite a while, and
I think it speeded up a little when it did that,
and then it just made a perfect spy right down
into the chandelier. Well, at that time, both of us
became terrified at the same time, and we ran out
of there and shrieking and screaming so fast we bumped

(12:14):
into each other and fell down the stairs and ran
to our parents, and they thought we'd just gone crazy
or something and didn't believe us. And so was that
happened a long time ago, and we didn't have any
idea what it was for years and years and years.

(12:35):
And then in the nineties I think I read writings
by Jenny Randalls, UK uphologists, and she talked about bedroom
visitations of young children of UFO like objects, small objects,
which we had, and then she said that people that

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experienced that often have other UFO events later in life,
and we did, and we were sorted unique because we
had them together as a child and we had another
one later as adults, both together.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
I'm reminded I was actually just showing this clip here
on the side. I'm reminded of the movie that came
out in the nineties I believe maybe eighties, I'm not sure,
but there was a movie called Batteries Not included with
these little ships, these little UFO craft or whatever that
was coming down like little machines interacting with people. What
do you think it was? Do you think it was

(13:38):
some Some people would say that there was some type
of drone or like a modern like a little ship
that kind of would come out of a mothership and
go out and monitor, which a lot of people believe
that a lot of these craft that they're seeing are
not manned, that they're just like observing and recording things
to report back. What do you think that it was.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
Because our room was closed, the window was screened in
and the door was closed, and so we had no
idea how it got in. We had no idea why
we both woke up at the same time, and we
had no idea why we were suddenly it became terrified
at the same time. It was kind of like there
might have been some little bit of mind control going

(14:21):
on or something like that, or maybe missing time, because
we didn't know how the thing got inside the room.
It wasn't a lightning ball, because it was just a
nice clear night, and so it was long before drones
or anything like that. It was a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
What was the next encounter that you had?

Speaker 6 (14:45):
The next encounter I had was on our farm again,
and we were poor. We didn't have air conditioning. I
was sleeping outside and I woke up and looked north
and this object was flying over and it was like
a big sphere. It was about the size and I

(15:08):
thought it was about the distance of an airplane going over,
but it was just a round, blowing sphere. And when
it got right above me, suddenly all the dogs in
the neighborhood began to bark, and our dog, which was
locked in the house, and couldn't see it also began
to bark and jump around, and then it went on

(15:30):
over and I was terrified, but I was also scared
of my parents, so I didn't go inside or anything.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
I just stayed out there terrified until the morning. But
then later.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Years later, my sister and I had a sighting together.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
And it was sort of a long, complicated sighting.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Would you say that they were pleasurable experiences? They like
a lot of times when you're when you're a child,
it changes your life. It sets you on this path,
on this course to seek out answers. You've had experiences
that that you know, not all the other kids in
your class have had, at least to your knowledge, until you,

(16:15):
you know, get brave enough to start vocalizing it and say, hey,
anybody else ever had a little ship flight through your
room or something? You know, and the scrutiny that comes
with that, and the you know, the people making fun
of you and the ridicule and stuff. So you kind
of got to own it. But I feel like it
shapes people's lives when they have those those encounters. In
those experiences, do you think that it was something good

(16:38):
or bad? Was it? Did it have ill? Intentions or
what do you think that it like it's an intent
was or it has been throughout your life? Is it
something pleasurable? Obviously it does spark like alle wonder, creativity,
there's something else that exists out there, you know, these
type of mindsets. But you know so some people are

(17:00):
scared of them. Some people wish that it wouldn't never
happen again. They've had ugly encounters supposedly with these type
of these different beings that come in their room at night.
And but other people will it to happen. They call
themselves experiencers or contact these even and the whole term abductee,
abduction or abductee has kind of gone out the window

(17:21):
in recent years. What do you think like it, Has
it been a pleasurable experience or would you not wish
it on anyone else? How does that, I mean, how
do you look at that? What is your relationship with
it at this point?

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Well, when the first one happened, we had not heard
of UFOs, so we weren't terrified because we thought they
were aliens or anything like that. We just had no
idea and we didn't talk about it for many, many,
many many years. I wouldn't say it was pleasurable because
it was one of the most terrifying things that ever

(17:55):
happened to me. And I don't know really why I
was scared either, but it was absolutely terrifying. It's something
that even today I have some little ditches in my
mind about being terrified of things.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah. Well, any I think anytime you have an encounter
where you wake up and something's there in your room,
you know, uninvited, it's gonna scare you anyway. And I
think that's why like a lot of you know, like
I go back to the Christian realm or whatever, but
like a lot of people have encounters with different entities
that are in their room. So they automatically say that

(18:34):
it's an alien. It could have been a demon, it
could have been a ghost or disembodied spirit, maybe an
angry ancestor, you know, they have these type of a
polter guys, they have these encounters, but then they say, no,
it was an alien. You know, these kind of experiences,
and so they kind of lump them all together. But
you know, I think we do uphology, spirituality or whatever

(18:55):
type of entity that is. I think we do a
disservice when we start just lumping everything, you know, just
kind of labeling it either all good or all bad
or whatever. I mean, that's kind of where we are
in life right now, twenty nineteen, just labeling a group
of people of all bad or stay away, or they're scary,
or they're harmful or whatever. Have you had any other

(19:18):
encounters with different beings or do you think that they've
they're all been the same beings that have been kind of,
you know, monitoring you or contacting you throughout your life.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
I have no idea.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
At that time, when it first happened, we were both
just curious and wondering what was going on. And then suddenly,
just like somebody turn on a switch, we're both terrified,
and so we had a sudden change in feelings. And
at that age, I don't think either one of us
had much personality, So I don't think we had big
changes in our personality like lots of people do that

(19:53):
have experiences later. I think in general what it did
was making me more open minded.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Though, yeah, I mean when.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
People tell these weird stories, I don't automatically dismiss them.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
So you approach it from a scientific standpoint, Where does
spirituality come into play? For you or does it.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
I don't know. I don't visualize it as religion. I
visualize it ufo. Information is more data points to use
it scientifically. I mean people say you believe in it
or you don't believe in it. Well, I don't connect
it with religion really. I just think there's information there

(20:40):
that you should try to understand and look at it
from different ways.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, but maybe you know, because there's a lot of
people who kind of lean more spiritual after having these encounters,
like I said, asking the bigger questions in life and
is God real? Who are they? What is that? Or
is that the angels I'm reading Even here in the
comments section, gil Hodges says that his childhood was such

(21:08):
that I beg to be taken away by aliens, but
I never saw anything. So people like want, you know,
there's a fascination, you know, of something to kind of
like a like a savior, even these aliens or angels
or something like that, something else to exist beyond this reality,
whether it's day after life or these type of beings

(21:30):
that exist in and are watching over us. Do you
think that they are you know that that that they've
been here a lot longer than we have or they do.
They date back to antiquity. I mean that's where all
the religious you know, ideologies come from. Were they influenced
by these these beings or do you think this is
something new that's happening.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Well, I guess I kind of view it as that
we humans probably have very limited knowledge and senses and
everything else, and we're probably just taking a tiny little
bit of our environment. And we may not be very
evolved either, because the universe is a lot older than

(22:14):
Earth is.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
So yeah, I think that.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
From evidence, it seems that people have seen things like
that all through history that they've recorded or drawn, but
it's always filtered to your culture. And so if three
thousand years ago you saw a round ball of light,

(22:43):
you might think it's an angel, or you might think
it's a globe or an orb or a ghost or something,
And if you saw it today, you might think if
you saw the same thing today, you might think it's
a UFO.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
But I think it.

Speaker 6 (22:59):
Appears as that sort of thing has been happening for
a long time, but that it's described different ways according
to the culture of the person of the witness.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Oh yeah, especially like you know, going back to the Bible,
you see, you know the cloud by day, you know
the fire by nights. You see there was one instance
where I think, I want to say it was like
Elijah or it was one of the prophets, so maybe
Jeremiah who says that he's seen it like a scroll
or like a role that was glowing red. And everyone

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talks about these these type of red orbs or these
orange orbs or whatever the case is. And so people
have been having these these encounters with these these type
of craft or whatever the craft that you've seen, especially
being a scientist, So is it have these have these
largely been the nuts and boltz craft or have you

(23:55):
seen the ones that actually morph and take shape and
they almost seem alive like they could actually be an
entity themselves, which some people believe that the crafts are
alive as well. Have you seen the two or has
it mainly been some type of nuts and bolts craft
that you've seen?

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Again, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
I saw things that look like crafts, but I don't
know they are crafts. Pick on that appearance. There's a
lot of information about people that may see like a
orbor globe that then it turns into humanoids shape and
things like that, so it's it's like maybe they can

(24:39):
take different shapes and.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
They have like cloaking technologies. We were talking a lot about,
you know, just just looking into the ocean and the
different beings and fish that have that can you know,
cloak and go invisible and shake, change shape and change
color and you can't see them. And and these are
are you know, real life forms that exist in the

(25:04):
bottom of the ocean, you know. And I really do
believe in the term as above so below. So if
we look into the night sky, whether we're seeing craft
or we're seeing beings that exist outside of the atmosphere.
Some people believe there's a big push now this whole
flat earth talk that that there's water out there, that
space is water and these type of so it would

(25:26):
kind of give room to the beings that we're seeing
in the ocean, seeing very similar entities in the sky.
Even have you looked into you know, underwater UFOs or
anything like that.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
I've looked into it a little bit, and.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
I think, you know, they seem to be able to
levitate and everything, So I don't know why they wouldn't
be the same in water as they are in the air.
And people report them coming out of water and going
into water and things like that.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
For people who don't know, tell us a little bit
about Project blue Book and what that whole deal is
and your involvement with that.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
I worked at Betel Memorial Institute, and I've been at
Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and that was where Project
blue Book took place, and so I've talked to a
number of people that worked in it. Its predecessors started

(26:34):
about the time of the Kenneth Arnold sighting of flying
Saucers and Roswell. It was called first of all, Project
Saucer because nobody knew anything about him, and evolved into
Projects sign which was the government study of UFOs. That

(26:56):
was in some ways it was more open minded the
later studies because they considered that they may be extraterrestrial
or not man made. But then they began to the
government began to debunk the whole idea, and this evolved
into Project Grudge, and it was named that because it

(27:19):
was the government agency was set up to debunk everything.
And later this evolved about nineteen fifty two in the
Project blue Book, which lasted until nineteen sixty nine, and
that was the government study of UFOs and that was.

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For example, the History Channel had a program about a
series and it showed doctor Heinez going out to investigate.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Sorry, I can only search my topic for movies.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
I'm sorry, it's listening.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
I have no idea what's happened. It just went off.
Maybe it's hear me.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
And that was the long investigation where they took reports
and went out and investigated and talked to the people
that cited the UFOs and had them fill out forms
and things. And the part I was covering in more

(28:29):
detail in my book was a study done by the
Tel Memorial Institute and it was first of all top
secret study and people know about Project Blue Book that
the Heineken people went out and investigated and talked to
people and that sort of thing which is shown on
the History Channel. But there was another part of it,

(28:52):
and this was a secret part, and that's what they
did with the data.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
And what they did with.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
The data was designing a real good questionnaire where they
can take discrete properties of the UFO phenomena such as
how many do you see, how long did you see it,
what shape was it, what color, and that sort of thing,
and filled in with the questionnaire. They used the questionnaires

(29:19):
to do a real good computer study of it, which
was called Special Report number fourteen. And in this after
they did this good study, they found out that there's
less than one chance of a billion that UFOs are
not conventional objects, that there's something else. So it's kind

(29:45):
of in a way proves scientifically that they exist.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
How were what I mean, what were some of the
ways that they would try to discredit people or you know,
debunk all of this stuff. Was it to kind of,
you know, go after the people who are having these
experiences and they always say, well, you know, it's the
it's the red neck from the south. It's the man
who lives in the woods and he's uneducated, and you
know why, why can't they abductor or appear to people

(30:13):
who are smart and educated. It's always these dumb hillbillies
in the mountains or in the woods or whatever. What
were some of the things that they would do to
try to debunk this or you know, some people we've
even talked about you know, targeted individuals, where they you know,
mess with people and drive them crazy, maybe even kill people.
We've heard stories about what are some of the different

(30:35):
things that they would do to target individuals who were
having these experiences. I mean, there's this weird hysteria even
in the field for people who have had encounters, and
they still to this day don't want to do what
we're doing right now and talk about this stuff openly
because they feel like they're going to be targeted by
the government because they already know too much. What were

(30:55):
some of the things that they were doing or are
doing well.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
They were They would take people that had perfectly good
sightings and say they're crazy. They're imagining things. They're seeing
the moon or things like that that they couldn't possibly report.
There was one real good, one, real good sighting in
Ohio called the Portage County UFO Chase. It was by

(31:22):
two policemen, SPA and NEF. It was a pretty well
known one, and these policemen were joking first of all
with the police somebody on the police radio who said
a woman in Michigan saw UFO and everybody laughed about it,
which is the common thing. And then they went to

(31:44):
look at a car that was sort of weird.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
It had.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Seven steps that hell written on the doorway, and this
object is they were looking at the car. This object
came over the trees very close to them and very bright,
and they were no longer laughing. They were terrified, and
they ran to their police car and got in it

(32:14):
and called the police radio and the person the person
on the police radio said shoot it. And they thought,
this isn't such a good idea. What happened next was
while they were on the police radio the whole time,
they began to follow it, and they followed it through Ohio.

(32:40):
It was fairly low and slow, and when they got
to the Youngstown, Ohio air base, they heard that it
was on radar and that they had scrambled jets and
people saw jets, and they had the reports that it
was on radar, so they kept on following it and
they got clear into Pennsylvania. There were a whole lot

(33:03):
of witnesses. There were other policemen that saw it, and
they were on the police radar all the radio.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
All the time.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
So it was just an excellent sighting. But then Project
Blue Books said they were they saw either venus or
a satellite, which didn't match what they described at all,
and it made them look like they were crazy because
they were police people and it really affected their lives.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, well, I mean, so are these are these like
you know, government funded programs that do this.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well. They had during Project Blue Book, they had two
government projects that seemed to be set up to debunk
UFOs and one of them was called the Robertson Panel
where they Mattel didn't want it to convene when it

(34:05):
did because Mattel wasn't even finished with the studies and
they were going to give these expert scientists this information
that was bad and then have them decide whether UFOs exist,
and they just they convened it even though they didn't
have the data. The CIA wasn't involved in that. And

(34:29):
the end of it was that they wanted people to
debunk UFOs and say people are crazy and put bad
stories about them that were crazy on the Internet and
things to convince people that they didn't exist. And then
later they had a study called the Condent Report where

(34:52):
doctor Content Content from the University Club Colorado did a
study and he also concluded there's no such thing as UFOs.
What he basically concluded was is that they weren't of.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
National, that they weren't dangerous, and he concluded basically that
in some phrases that they didn't exist even though they
couldn't explain when they're their data, which meant's conclusion was

(35:31):
basically meaningless, but it convinced the public and that made
him stop Project Blue Book.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Do you think that with all of this you know,
dis info out there, it would seem feasible in like
a smart move to infiltrate uphology to fund people, maybe
even people who write books and maybe have large just
of money behind them for promotion and media and things

(36:04):
like that, to fund people who are disinfo agents and
put them into the ufology community to maybe even be
the face of euthology even Do you think that there's
people in the field that most of us know without
even saying any names, really, who are you know disinfo

(36:24):
agents that are that are funded by someone or maybe
even you know in it? I want to you know,
I would phrase it to say that are just opportunists
in it for the wrong reasons, But we don't even
go there. Are there people who are funded by government
corporations to get in here and push out a lot

(36:44):
of this info? Do you believe that that's something that
we have to kind of weighe through in this community.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
One of the first people that wrote about Roswell I
can't think of his name right now.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
He worked to I can't think of his name.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
He worked with the government to make a person called
to make one person that was investigating UFOs look crazy,
and this was a government work.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
They think that Richard Dodie.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
Might be a disinformation agent, and I think he's admitted it.
Maybe I had interviewed a person Robert Collins, that worked
with him, who supported him. But I think a lot
of people think he's a government and this information agent.

(37:57):
And there's a lot of people that are talking talk
about kind of wild things that might be in that category.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Maybe some of the uh you know, Corey Goods, those
kind of people.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Well I better not mention names, but yeah, well I just.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
I have to second guess anyone who has it all
figured out and it's and it can package it in
such a way maybe it puts in And this is
just from a seeker myself. I don't want to put
myself on a pedestal, but as far as someone who
would or to even just think of myself too highly,
but someone who has had a lot of encounters, a

(38:41):
lot of UFOs, a lot of visitations. Again, I can't
I can't put it together like some of these people
claim to do and I don't know how they do it.
And I'm sure you feel the same way with the
extensive research that you've done, and you still are with
me asking it leaves you with more questions at the

(39:02):
end of the day versus saying that this is exactly
what it is. Now. You probably have a lot of
conclusions of personally what you think they are, But to say,
you know, without the shadow of a doubt, matter of fact,
this is what we're dealing with, it's really hard to say.
And that just makes you question anyone really who claimed

(39:22):
to have it all figured out.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
Yeah, and a lot of people say they work for
the government and they saw all these things, bodies and everything.
And I worked for the government and I didn't see bodies.
I saw some evidence that there were under there around
chambers and things like that. But when I work for

(39:48):
the government, my supervisors turned in a UFO report and
we were supposed to identify everything flying over this particular
area of the earth, and we didn't have a clearance
for UFOs, even though it would be related to our work.
And my supervisors turned in a report from our satellite

(40:09):
photography and they were severely debunked by the agency, even
though we were kind of working in that field, which
gave me the feeling high up in the government there's
people that know something about them and are even debunking
government workers.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, whether it's you know, like again, I guess the
second point of the second side of the point was
the fact that first of all, you have people who
are you know, dis info agents, but then again you
have people who are you know, opportunists. Because this is
a growing field. There's beginning to be a lot of
money in this field, and book tours and speaking engagements
and TV deals and ancient aliens is huge right now.

(40:51):
And so the people who would kind of get into
the field and maybe even if you know, there's probably
people who started out they and they you know, meant
well when they started, but who would just kind of
you know, fluff up the stories a little bit and
and add things and you know, just make kind of
make it up as they go. I really feel like

(41:12):
we're dealing with a lot of people who do that.
You know, in the field, there's people who are just opportunists,
and and they're here and we have to wade through
their stuff and they maybe have a bigger budget than you,
and they have a better publisher or whatever the case is.
But they get more eyes on their material because it's flashy,

(41:34):
because it's you know, as a matter of fact, and
if and if and if you came out and said
as a matter of fact, you would probably get a
little bit more attention on you. And this is what's
going on. And you know, you kind of have to
push people around and and maybe you know, degrade or
try to debunk other people's work or whatever, even if

(41:54):
they've made it their life work, and even if they're
telling the truth. I think we have a lot of
that going on too. It's in every field. You know,
it's in the religious field, it's in it's you know,
it's it's in politics, you know when it's definitely in
eupology as well.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
And for example MJ twelve, which are purported to be
documents leaked from the government that discuss UFOs and government
people working with aliens and that sort of thing. Well,
that's taking up an awful lot of UFO investigators time.

(42:37):
But there's no way to document whether any of it's
right or not. And there's a good reason to think
it's not. But it seems like the government or somebody
spent an awful lot of time working to get these
documents to look right and look like they're real.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Yeah, you have a lot of that going on. But
as far as your experience is right, and people saying
having their their own personal encounters, we've heard tons of stories.
Now whether they're made up or or or or real,
I'm not sure. But as far as you said, you've
been down these these different corridors and hallways where that

(43:15):
would well, would they lead to you know, maybe UFOs
that are docked there, or meeting rooms were set holding cells?
What was what do you think was down there in
these different corridors that you've you've found, Well, I.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
Was just in the same place where people that were
doing that had done them work, like Project blue Book
had been. I would just we just named it that
because I'd walked down the same holes and corridors.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Where they had done their work.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
But for example, at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, it's
very very secure, and so there's just maybe a very few,
like four or five euphologists have actually.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
Been on base. And I was on base, and.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
I looked around because I work, and also I knew
somebody that worked there that showed me around, and so
I looked at some of the places where there were
stories about aliens and hidden chambers and things, and I
did find some evidence that suggested there were hidden chambers

(44:30):
and that sort of thing. I've heard all kinds of
informants stories about bodies and Debrison things at right Patterson,
but I've never seen them. But I have seen evidence
suggesting that the chambers were there that people have described.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Speaking of the debris and stuff like that. What can
you tell me about memory metal?

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Well, this came from working at Matel Memorials. They were
to do a study under Project blue Book, a statistical
study where they designed a questionnaire and did statistical work
on it. So the workers that did that project were
supposed to be statisticians and like psychologists and that type

(45:22):
of people that designed questionnaires. Well, it turned out that
the actual people that did this study for Mattel were metallurgists,
which had nothing to do whatsoever with what they were
supposed to be doing. For some reason, they hired metallurgists,
and so people wondered why did they hire millergist when

(45:43):
that wasn't their field and it wasn't what they wanted.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
People to do well.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
Another person I back in the nineties had heard this
one man who talked to this man in the nineteen
fifties when nobody really knew anything about Roswell or debris
or anything else. And he was a metal ergist of
some status, and he informally told this person that he

(46:10):
was working on metal from the debrie from a crash,
or metal from.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
A ufoe t metal.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
And so anyway, this was just dormant for a long time,
and I published it about nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Just in a local little news letter. And then.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
Smith and Carrie, who wrote the book Witness to Roswell,
one of the people that worked with them had interviewed
me and they put that into Witness to Roswell.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Well.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
It turned out that Mattel had done some studies of
Night and All which might have some proper pretty of
memory metal, and it went all over the internet that
possibly this was memory metal, and possibly they had back
engineered some form of metal of memory metal from this.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Would that have to be would that would that be
something like, uh, like, if you're dealing with mercury or
something that's able to take shape and just mold and bend,
how does that how would you think that that works.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
Yeah, some of the people that saw the first that
so apparently sold the rosal Christ said they collect this
really weird type of metal that you would bend it
and take its shape back and you couldn't destroy it
with anything like bullets and things like that.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
So if you have this type of metal, maybe that
would be uh, you know how they're able to cloak
as well, to bend light or have this metal, you know,
just changed directions to where you can't even see it,
and they or even change the shape of the ship.
We're talking about these plasma ships as well. People see
these ships that are just morphing and changing shapes and

(48:14):
combinding with other ships and a lot of really weird
aerial phenomena that goes on. So do you think that
that would have something to do with the memory metal
as well? Probably it might.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
There were a lot of stories that I mentioned in
my book in Ohio. Ohio is where Right Patterson is
and there's pretty definite proof that something was sent from
Roswell or Right Patterson. And there's stories about not only
but Tell but other places where they investigated some unusual

(48:47):
metals and for example, kim Conroller bearing had one of
the hottest furnaces in the world, and there's a story
that something was shipped out there and that they exposed
it to this very hot furnace and it didn't hurt
it at all. There's stories from Wright State University that

(49:14):
these people were to these graduate students I think or scientus,
were to explore the characters this type of metal and
they fired bullets at it and it just didn't hurt
it at all.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Yeah, bullets and ammo wanna and it just never even
budged this UFO that appeared.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Yeah, there's stories like that.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
It's I wonder if there's some type of technology that
that can penetrate it. Though. I tried to talk to
some people about this, and everybody comes from a different realm.
But there's there's these different videos online of what looks
to be some type of craft coming towards the Earth
from space and and these are taken from from different

(50:00):
spaceships or satellites, and there would be a flash and
looks like a plasma beam or something shot from Earth
up towards the craft and it moves out the way
and then turns around and leaves out the other direction.
Seeing videos like that and then doing the research about
what the government knows about UFOs and aliens and things

(50:22):
like that, and then we have Space Force, this thing
that I think, I think we've had Space Force for
a very long time. We're just now hearing about it,
you know, probably because they're not going to be able
to hide a lot more stuff that they're going to
be doing in the open, maybe transporting some of these
craft or ships or whatever the case is, so it's
kind of in the open. Now. What's your take on that?

(50:43):
As far as like this war between space in us
from a religious standpoint, I do have to I do
approach it from this way. And if there is a
good and a bad, I feel like the bad people
are here on Earth running things and poisoning the water
and doing our passing evil wicked laws and all kinds

(51:06):
of weird stuff that's happening on the Earth. I feel
like these are the evil people and the good guys
are out there. To me, they are more angelic, right,
And I do feel like there's a war. There's a
lot of people who claim that with night vision goggles
you can see fleets of UFOs as people who claim
that you see them shooting at one another, or maybe

(51:27):
it's us up there with nuts and boltz craft that
are shooting at them. Edgar Casey says that the Battle
of Armageddon was going to be fought in outer space.
Do you think that we are at war with some
of these entities and who what is good? What is bad?
Do you have an opinion? I know it's hard to

(51:47):
say that, you know, but do you have an opinion
on this?

Speaker 6 (51:52):
No, people have good traits and bad traits, and maybe
they have have a prime directive, like in Star Wars,
to just interfere a tiny little bit, but to let
us take care of our own problems and watch what
happens or something.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
I think Star Wars has a lot of information in
it about what's going on. I really do. Even the
angel thing, Like there's quotes where they're talking about the
angels that live on these other planets and stuff like
that in Star Wars and that they you know, star
pilots and fighter pilots and one day I'm gonna grow
up and be one, and there's all of these different

(52:33):
quotes and stuff like that. Somebody who knew, you know,
a little bit more than we knew or know put
that stuff in there. Years ago, years ago, and now
we're just hearing about space for something that seems like
it's out of a fairy tale or out of a
Star Wars movie is actually real life. There really is
a space force that people are gonna be able to

(52:54):
sign up and go fight for and all of this
kind of stuff. And there's a lot of testimony from
people who have who claim and these they're just claims
what people claim to be a part of different projects
like that and have been to space and have fought
against these type of entities that are that are out there.

(53:14):
And I think I think a more of a level
headed approach is to say that, you know, they're not
good or bad. They are like humans. They choose, maybe
they wake up on the wrong side of the bed
and they have a bad day or whatever. Just to
say that they're all good or bad. But I do
feel like there's like this cosmic code of enlightenment that
that you know, to have that type of technology and

(53:37):
to to survive up there, there has to be some
type of code of ethics or code of conducts. And uh,
I really do feel like, you know, if there is
a war, I don't I don't feel like they're that
you know, that bad. You know, the beings that are
out there that have been I feel like they've been here,
you know, for since the beginning, watching over us. I

(53:58):
mean there's cave paintings and all types of it's mentioned
in the Holy Books. They've been here. So if they
wanted to destroy mankind or whatever the case is, they
could have done that. That's not that's not what they
want to do. Now, if we're getting into some of
the theories of some of the ancient alien stuff and
the Twelfth Planet and all of this Zacharia sitchen, that

(54:18):
they've created humans to be a slave race to you know,
to mine gold or you know, whatever the case is.
You know, some of that stuff may make sense that
they're just watching over the planet and making sure that
everything goes as planned, almost as a pet or you know,
looking into a you know, a hamster cage or an

(54:38):
ant colony or something, making sure everything goes good. You
don't have any opinions on what's really taking place.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
Well, they say that UFOs people began to get that
concept of that it was connected with aliens just before
we developed our own space program. Before that, I think
they had different cultural interpretations.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Some people say, well, it had something to do with
us inventing the atomic bomb and things like that that
that drew them in. But actually Earth has been here
for like four billion years, and it's had the characteristics
where that astronomers some way off would know that it

(55:37):
could have our type of life. And the universe is
much much older than Earth, and so more advanced types
of beings would probably have known that we're here for
a lot longer than Earth exists. I mean, even from
our type of sun, they might be able to tell,

(55:58):
you know, that the Sun has the characteristics where it
may have planets with our type of life. So I
imagine that things in the universe have known that we're
here for billions and billions and billions of years, and
Earth is covered with life, and we're saying, well, why
isn't there life someplace else? Well, we don't know, and

(56:23):
maybe we're prevented from knowing. Maybe our reality is kind
of limited and we're just sort of I won't say
in a matrix, but maybe we just are not evolved
enough to understand that there's other life forms around. Maybe

(56:47):
they're here all the time.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Yeah, I do believe in some type of etheric field
that exists around us where there's entities that live or
to somebody, spirits. And you know, some believe, especially with
the flat earth stuff, is that they don't believe like
they believe in UFOs, and they believe in these entities,
but they don't believe that they come from space. They
believe that they come from just right here in our

(57:11):
midst and they're able to pop in and out through
other you know, portals of dimensions and things like that.
But when it comes to we're not ready to I
guess as a species to evolve or we're not ready
to handle the information. Somebody knows about it, right the government,
someone knows, whether it's the Vatican, which probably holds some keys.

(57:37):
You know, the government, they know stuff, and they're keeping
it secret. For a reason. Why would they keep the secret.
A lot of people say that all the world religions
will fall apart, and that's an old notion. I don't
believe that. I think that, you know that. You know,
they've done polls and they've asked people how many people
believe in, you know, the existence of aliens or UFOs,

(58:01):
and you know, the numbers are staggering where people are
just okay with it, and they kind of believe whether
there was it. You know, periods of conditioning through the media,
through ancient aliens and pushing that they just get people
ready to get the pope. The Pope had a lot
of quotes that he was getting people ready and saying, hey, well,
maybe if they do exist, there are space brothers and

(58:23):
we can win them to Jesus as well. You know,
all these weird quotes from the Pope and different world
leaders and stuff like that, just kind of maybe getting
the people ready. I don't think that if the government
came out and told us the truth that it would
cause pandemonium, unless maybe if we were at war, maybe
that would cause pandemonium that we're fighting against them, that

(58:48):
they are our creators and they want to come back,
and maybe we're we don't want to give up our thrones,
you know, as far as us I say, you know,
the world leaders, you know, maybe that that's the reason.
I mean, I have to believe that that it can't
be something that's just easy for us to believe that
they exist unless there's some type of galactic war that's

(59:11):
been going on for a long time and we're a
part of it. Obviously we're a part of something now
by the name of space for us, because that's a thing,
you know, that's not even that's a thing now. So
something's going on, and you know, maybe the existence is
one thing, but then again, why you know, the agenda
may be another. You know, maybe that's why they won't

(59:32):
tell us because there is then they would have to
eventually disclose an agenda and who they are. We owe
them something, you know, we've exchanged technology now, we've signed
treaties with them that they can abduct people or whatever.
There's a lot of different theories out there. But what
I mean, what kind of thoughts you know, have you
do you wrestled with when it comes to this, because

(59:54):
there's a lot of government involvement. Why would they be
withholding this information? Why don't they want the average Joe
to know the truth that this is a part of
our reality. They do exist. Why wouldn't they want the
American people or you know, the people of earth to
know that they exist.

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
One of my thoughts is one if the government is
under mind control from the top, parts of the government
earned their mind control from the UFO phenomena, that would
be bad and it would be bad because we wouldn't
be finding out anything. It seems to me like transparency
would be the best thing, but it's not the way

(01:00:36):
it's organized. And I think when people first got the
idea of UFOs, they were thinking about, oh, these are
Russian craft or things, and they wanted to find out
all about them and keep the enemies the other countries
from knowing and say, well, we know about them, and

(01:00:56):
the other countries don't you know. And so I think
that that's how it started. And it started as classified
information from the very beginning because they interpreted it as
from other countries. And I think it's been in the
military ever since instead of being scientific research where it

(01:01:19):
should have been. And so it still is in the
military and the government, which will hide things and use
redica kill and everything else to keep people from studying,
which they have. So I mean, I just wonder if

(01:01:45):
there might be some kind of minding prol influencing the
government from the UFO phenomenon.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Well maybe that's where it comes into the whole demon thing,
influencing you know, the mind of the leaders who are
doing bad things or whatever the case is, or holding
stuff back. You know, there's a lot of there's a
lot of theories out there about you know, the origins
of civilization and you know who we are and who
who our leaders are at that there's that that that

(01:02:14):
elite to bloodline and who you know what you know,
where they come from or they even come from you know,
another solar system you know themselves, or the different races
down here on the Earth, or just you know are
seated from different galactic uh you know organizations as well.
It really it really gets the mind working, but of

(01:02:37):
just knowing that something exists even though we can't put
our finger on it, something's going on and that I
think that's enough research to just really get people exploring
and trying to make contact and stuff like that. Have
you ever tried to make contact? I mean, you know
the whole you know, close encounters for the first, second, third, fourth,

(01:02:58):
and you know we have the fifth kind and CE
five initiative where people are now going out not being
contacted themselves, but they're trying to initiate contact. Have you
ever been a part of any of those type of
groups of star gazing and trying to communicate. You're talking
about this mind control and dealing with that could be

(01:03:18):
dealing with telepathic communication. Have you ever experienced any of
that stuff? And you do you feel a connection with them?
Maybe when you gaze at the stars, I mean that's
where you come from. Is there a connection there? Have you? Uh?
Does any of that ring a bell for you? With
with trying to you know, say hey, you know, who

(01:03:38):
are you? And you know and kind of engaging contact yourself.
There's a lot of people doing it, and some people
claim to have success doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:49):
I never tried it because it seemed like what happened
was my sister and I were contacted good. Yeah, well,
like we had our first experience before we ever heard
of UFOs, and so we weren't trying to contact anything,
and we were both terrified. And I wonder, I fear

(01:04:13):
has nature's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Way of telling you to be careful or things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
And so.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
I think I've.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
I've been invited to go with people that say they
say UFOs all the time, and I'm curious about that,
and I've wanted to go, and somehow I just haven't
made it. So I haven't really explored the idea of
contacting them because I have a pretious nature.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
You're not the only one. There's a lot of people
who we start talking about things like that and they
just throw up a red flag, be careful, you know.
I just released to be careful.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Maybe it's fear or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
I just released an a T shirt and it's a
it's a it's a picture of my little character being
abducted or taken away my logo by aliens on a ship.
It's pretty cool T shirt. Just release that. But then
some of the comments people are saying, be careful, what

(01:05:19):
if your shirt facilitates that maybe you will it to
happen and you get taken away upon a ship. I've
had a lot of close encounters and and there is
that fear that still gets there when you see a craft.
There's that awe and wonder as long as they stay
far away. But when they come in the programming, the movies,

(01:05:41):
all of these type of things, that comes back to say,
oh what if what if fire in the sky was
really a true story and it happened like that, and
they're gonna take me and not bring me back like that?
You still have to battle with with with with the
fear and stuff. But I think you really have to
move past that to initiate any saying. I mean it's
fears what cripples people. You know, it's fear holds people

(01:06:03):
in dead end jobs to not step out and fulfill
their passion because what if I don't make it? What
if I follow my face? What if I get abducted?
You know, So there is that fear that's there. But
at the same time, it could be a healthy fear,
and it's a fear for a reason. But you know
there's people doing it, and and uh, you know, I

(01:06:26):
guess encourage exploration and and just like to hear about
people's encounters.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
You know, I'm exploring, but I'm not inviting everything into
my mind that might be there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
But you've never had that, you don't You don't think
you've ever had that telepathic communication where they say, hey,
look up, here we are and you look up and
you see them or anything like that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
Yeah, sort of sometimes just by the coincidences, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
A strong coincidence, Hey look up, there they are.

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
I wonder is this did this really some kind of
communication or was it coincidence?

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
And I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Yeah, I think if it starts happening more and more,
you know, you start having a couple of them, maybe
once or twice but when it's like a bunch of things,
like you know, people talking about synchronicities and seeing the
same numbers, seeing the same hearing the same phrases, those
type of things over and over. So hold on. Something
is trying to get my attention, whether it's you know,

(01:07:29):
God or the we say God, or we could say
the angels, or they could be the ets that hold
all of this stuff together, you know, and and uh
and and are here communicating with us or you talking
about having the government under mind control or have us
all under some type of weird mind control. I mean
if the government's being controlled, I mean they regulate what's

(01:07:52):
on the television and what we put into our bodies
and all all kinds of stuff. So it's like, if
you have the head, then all of us kind of
by default in this weird you know, you know what
I'm saying, disillusion as well, and in our own reality
and what we believe is real and this this life

(01:08:12):
and existence, and it does leave us with more questions.
It's not as simple as oh, you know, and even
as people in the comments sections here watching us lives
saying other demons, they're just demons, it's like, I don't
think it's that easy, like it maybe makes us feel good,
like we have it all figured out, but we I
don't think we know. And maybe even the people at

(01:08:33):
the top we're talking about the world leaders and the
religious leaders and thinking that they know. Maybe they just
know a portion or a fraction of what it is
that is really going on and how it operates. And
uh and who's who maybe of this type of you know,
galactic alliance or federation, or maybe they've been lied to
as well. They don't know. It does intrigue me, though,

(01:08:55):
and I've given my life, much like you, to trying
to understand and what's going on, and you know, and
I'm left here asking more questions at the end of
the day, which is what usually happens.

Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
But yeah, you know, people want to protect their power too,
which may have something to do with the government not
admitting that things can fly around that we have no
control over.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Yeah, and there's definitely a whether say a race for
power or a thirst for power, or wanting to keep
your throne, you know, your thrones of dominion over the earth,
and something's going on and we're left here with more questions.

(01:09:43):
But the good thing about these conversations is that other people,
you know, are listening to these and they hear stories
like that you've had, like when you were younger, you
and your sister, and they've had similar stories as well.
There's similar encounters, and I'm reading here in the comment
section people are saying, yeah, I've had something similar as well.
And to let you know, hold on, first of all,
I'm not crazy, you know, I don't need to go

(01:10:05):
see a psychiatrist. Other people are having similar encounters. Let's
get to the bottom of it and at least let
us reason and try to figure out what's going on.
There's something strange about we're talking about the people, the
kids who are having these encounters, right, People who have
had this encounter when they were three or four or
five years old, you know, and it marks them. It
sets them out on this path of you know, seeking

(01:10:30):
out the divine, asking the bigger questions and getting to
the bottom of it. Whether it's the divine that's marking
them or hey, I need you to kind of This
is how I'm gonna prep you. I'm going to say
hello to you when you're a kid. I'm gonna come
in your room and let you know what's going on.
That's gonna shape the course of your life. That's going
to lead you to ask the bigger questions and into
these different fields of research and things like that. So

(01:10:54):
I really enjoyed this conversation. If there's any anybody who
wants to check out you work, You've got several books,
some interesting ones at that. If people want to check
out your work, check out your books. Where's the best
place for them to look that stuff up?

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
At My website is Irenascott dot com and they can
just put it in the name Irena Scott and it
should pop up. It shows my books and if they
click on a book, it just immediately goes to Amazon
dot com and they can order.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
One of the books here. That catches my attention. God
is a woman, the origins of yahweh Allah and the
gods of India in Asia, what's the premise of that.
I feel like that would make for a good episode
as well.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
That's the evidence that the original religion for most of
the time humans have existed, has been a goddess, a
female goddess, and that the religions that we have now
with a male are derivative of the original religion, and

(01:12:12):
that maybe the original religion was different and more open
minded than some of the so called religions we have
now that worship males is a deity. That today's religions
are kind of competitive, where the Muslims are killing the Jews,

(01:12:34):
and the Jews are killing somebody, the Christians are killing
somebody else, and there's a whole lot of strife that
maybe that really isn't religion. Maybe religion is following the
Golden Rum and doing things to help other people, regardless
of their parents or.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
You know, nationality, religion or anything else. Yeah, these things.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
What it's a you know, God made man in his
own image. Then man, you know, turned around and created
God in his own image, you know, created a fashion
to God after their own liking. Hey, this is how
we want God. It is very funny how your God
loves or hates the things that you love and hate

(01:13:18):
you know, your you know, religious upbringing, or God doesn't
like gay people, Well no, you don't like gay people,
and uh, you know, God doesn't tolerate this, but he
tolerates that. He doesn't get into this. But that's okay.
We're not going to address that. We're going to sweep
that onder rug. And it has so much to do
with control and fashioning a God after our own image

(01:13:42):
and likeness, which at the end of the day is idolatry,
creating a God after our own image. And so you
see that a lot, and it moves into cognitive dissonance,
and people, you know, they don't even even ask these
bigger questions about why they, you know, believe in a
type of God that caters to them. And it's the

(01:14:03):
same way with I talk about, you know, the medium
world where people are channeling and mediums, and how convenient
that the information is coming through is stuff that they
already believe and things that they want to say, but
they can't say it unless they have a channel, you know.
And so religion even acts as a channel to really

(01:14:25):
say how you really feel and how bitter you may be,
or how hatred you know what I'm saying, hateful you
may be, and you know how pleasing your God feels
the same way, you know, and each and every one
of these or how liberal you are your God's liberal
mind too. So it's really interesting. I'd love to have
a conversation with you about that one as well. We'll
have to do it again. Good all right, my friend, Well,

(01:14:47):
I really appreciate you hanging out with me, and we'll
do it again very soon. Thanks so much for coming on.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
Well, thank you very much for inviting me and having me.
You're very interesting to talk to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Thank you, my friend. We'll do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
Great, Thank you, Oh bye bye.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Great conversation, ladies and gentlemen, Doctor Irena Scott. Good stuff.
At the end of the day, man like more questions.
You think you think you know, but you have no idea.
Just when you turn the leaf, there's so much more,

(01:15:24):
more questions, more questions, more questions, and then you know,
a life of pursuit. But still can't put your finger
on it, can't say that this is exactly what it is.
And I really do question the people who claim to
have it all figured out. But then again, in my mind,
I'm like, isn't that kind of pompous of me to
say just because I don't have it figured out means

(01:15:47):
that they don't have it figured out. That's kind of
pompous of me to say, Right, just because I don't
know it all doesn't mean that they don't know it all.
But I h I really don't think that they did.
I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. I've
given my life in the pursuit of this and how
it works. The spirit, realm, God, the angels, demons, devils, entities, fairies,

(01:16:14):
all of that stuff. Are they real or are they real?
If you believe it, that's deep. They exist. If you
think they do, I really lean more towards that. Now.
If you believe that they exist, then they do. Even
if it's just for you in your mind and your

(01:16:36):
reality and your imagination. Whatsoever a man thinketh in his heart,
so shall he be. Whatever you shall believe, nothing shall,
by any means be impossible unto you. It becomes real
just for you in your world. Write a book, tell people,

(01:16:57):
do a podcast, do music, get a budget, begin to
roll out this idea, market it. Maybe create apps in
the Internet and algorithms that stifle other opinions and promote yours.

(01:17:17):
To change the narrative, to change the way that we think,
to push that narrative out there, to make people think
that this is real, whatever it is that you believe.
If not the old souls, if not us, we're stuck
in our ways at this point, right. If not us,
maybe the next generation maybe to make them think that
this is okay. Maybe them for them to think that

(01:17:40):
this is the way people should think, or this is
the way you engage with people, or engage with God,
or engage with sex, or engage with culture. This is
the right way, right they write the narrative, changing of
the narrative. This is what we're dealing with. Man, it's
crazy the universe works in such a way. We had

(01:18:00):
this discussion this morning me Watchman and the Voice just
about how the Internet is fashioned into such a way
that you can pretty much find any information that you're
looking for. You can go to Google, be your best friend,
and you look up something, You're gonna find it. Yeah,
I remember years ago just looking up. I woke up

(01:18:22):
and it was just loud, humming noise outside and it
sounded like a diesel engine. It was like five in
the morning. I needed to get up at like six
for work. I woke up and won't, won't, won't, won't, won't.
When I go outside, I'm like, what the heck is
that noise? It just sounds It sounds like a diesel

(01:18:43):
engine crank. It sounds like a loud truck. But it's
just permeating the atmosphere, almost feeling like it's coming from above.
So I get online and this is when I'm doing
Illuminati UFO research all that kind of stuff at the time.
This was probably back in two thousand and nine maybe,
And so I look up UFO sound diesel engine. I

(01:19:07):
found a website. I found a website where people are
talking about seeing UFOs that when they seen them, they
sound like a diesel truck running an engine.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
Won't won't won't, won't won't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
Um. It's like wow, It's like, so there, Hey, I
got proof those a UFO somewhere out there. It's pretty low.
You know, Google exists in a way that you find
what you're looking for. You'll find someone that believes it.
You'll find a religion, you'll find a church even that
believes what you believe in, caters to what you believe in.

(01:19:42):
I used to go to a church that catered to bikers.
Everyone had mohawks, purple hair, nose piercings, wore leather jackets,
and that was the church. They catered to those people.
There was a church right across the street that caters
to upper class white people. They did not allow homeless

(01:20:03):
in their church. The homeless people came, they turned them away.
They actually brought them to the biker church. You know,
there's a religion as a church. The Internet all work
in such a way that you find what you're looking for.
But I believe that the universe works in such a way,
not just the Internet, but the universe. And so some

(01:20:24):
of these concepts that may seem far out to someone,
some of these concepts that again people do laugh at,
people do scoff at, They think you're crazy. You know,
it's truth for you. You've experienced it, you've encountered it.
The other people have no idea what the heck you're
talking about, no idea what you're talking about. But you've

(01:20:47):
encountered it, you've been to those realms. You've done the research.
But then again, don't let that pride overtake you and
feel like I know it all because you've done the research,
because you have the experience, you have to approach it
with a sense of grace, a sense of mercy, because

(01:21:08):
you were just like them at one point when someone
pulled you aside and tried to give you some truth,
or pulled you aside and tried to correct you on
some things, and you didn't want to hear it. So
now that you so called have the truth and you
want to share it. You have to show those people
that same grace, show those people that same grace that

(01:21:29):
was shown to you. That's all you can do, no more,
no less as it was given, freely given to you,
freely receive, freely give it. That's what you gotta do.
You'll find what you're looking for. I got friends who,
like I said again, they look for the evil in everything.

(01:21:51):
I mean, there's comment you just look go through the
comment section of YouTube, especially anything spiritual. I got a
lot of people sending me still standing me Steven banded
cars videos. Please don't send me Stephen band Cards videos.
I don't want to see them. It's counterintuitive, kind of productive.
I know what he's about, I know what he brings.
He's trying to debunk everything that you know, my show

(01:22:14):
that everything that I stand for right, and people still
send me those videos almost like a slap in the face. See,
listen to this guy. He's telling you that they're evil.
He's telling you that meditation is demonic publicly. Again, please
stop sending me Stephen Bandcar's videos. People. I got a
couple of people who just insist on doing that. And
maybe I'll repent, or maybe I'll start believing like he does. Again,

(01:22:38):
you'll find whatever you're looking for. We've talked about this
so many times. Go online right now, we should just Okay,
we're doing an experiment for those of you who are
listening on the podcast apps. Visually, you won't better see this,
but I'll try to explain it and do decent commentaries.
So let's see only me. Let's see me and web.

(01:22:59):
Here we go. So here's me and the computer. We're
gonna go to YouTube here, okay, and there's me and YouTube.
So this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna look
up videos why I left Wow, why I left christian

(01:23:25):
while I left Christianity for Buddhism, while I left Christian Science,
Why I left Christianity. And we're just gonna look at this,
tons of videos, tons of videos. Why if people ex

(01:23:50):
pastor leaves the church, says the Bible isn't real, Why
I am no longer a Christian. Now, let's just let's
just say the person who's kind of green, let's just
say they don't know a lot of stuff. They haven't
researched a lot. This is the first video they watched.
Corey Fresco tried to get him on the podcast a

(01:24:11):
couple of years ago, why I left Christianity, And this
is the first video you've seen. You'll see this guy
and you may hear his story and that may be
your conclusion, or you may watch six of these videos,
and most of these people are say why they left Christianity,

(01:24:32):
but now they're pagan. They left Christianity and now they're
atheists or Buddhist or they're spiritual. Right, But then again,
so Coy, he's definitely Corey Fresco. Let's just say he
definitely deals with more of the Vedic traditions, now more
of hindu And they say, while left Christianity. Tons of

(01:24:52):
videos it can reshape your mind why left Christianity. Let's say,
say why I left Hinduism, and here you go, while
I left Hinduism for Christianity. These are gonna be a
bunch of videos about people who came out of Hinduism.

(01:25:13):
And they're gonna tell you bad stuff about Hinduism. They're
gonna tell you bad stuff about the leaders, bad stuff
about the doctrine, they met Jesus. You know what I'm saying.
They just believe our religion is fake whatever the case is,
you're gonna listen to all these people. This is the
same thing. Go back. These are the while I left Christianity. Christianity,

(01:25:36):
Jesus is very near and dear to my heart. Right,
Jesus is very near and dear to my heart. And
there's a lot of people saying why they left. And
then on the other hand, people who have went to Hinduism. Right,

(01:25:59):
keep going meditation. Let's just see you're probably my video.
Meditation is dangerous. Look at that. Meditation is dangerous. Here's

(01:26:19):
doctor I was showing you the benefits of meditation. The
dark side of meditation. Meditation is demonic. Right, should Christians meditate?
It's yoga a sin? You know, all of these weird ideas.
And here's people who have probably had some weird experience

(01:26:42):
meditating or studying information about meditating, and they have a
testimony how God called them out of the New Age
and away from meditation, and they were called out of it,
and you should leave it too. But then again, you're
going to find people who have maybe encountered Jesus tern meditation.

(01:27:05):
You're going to find people who have changed their life,
become better, better people. They've maybe kicked addiction. I got
a friend of mine right now, did a podcast with him, Andrew.
He meditates fifteen minutes every morning, changed his life, helps
him to be mindful, helps him to set the intention
for the day. Has a static encounter, beautiful encounters, and

(01:27:31):
you're going to find people on both sides. You go
to find people who disagree and crap on everything. It's
just the truth. So for you to say aliens or demons,
I got some other people who have other encounters and

(01:27:52):
they'll tell you something different. Really when it comes to uthology,
and you know my standpoint. I started off following this stuff,
studying this stuff in Christianity, not really because I was
fascinated as a kid. I was scared of them as
a kid. Though then I became a Christian and I
got into you, following to you as a Christian. But

(01:28:12):
they were all saying the same thing, and I felt
like they had an agenda. Most of them were saying
that there were demons. You know, because you go to
your favorite pastor, that's what they're going to tell you.
But if you approach any of these subjects with an
open mind and listen to more than one person, you're

(01:28:33):
going to find out this. It's a little bit more
eclectic than you think. But cognitive dissonance prevents us from
stepping out of our comfort zone looking into other ideas
or even we have these ideas that we cling to
and they become idols unto us, a belief system, a

(01:28:53):
church whatever. That was one of my big problems and
still is one of my biggest problems with religion and
church is the fact that your pastor believes one thing,
and it's the agreed upon doctrine of the denomination, of

(01:29:18):
the denomination, and if he has a revelation, a divine encounter,
maybe he read something in the Bible that was illuminated
to him about something that they're teaching that's wrong. They're
teaching something that's wrong, and the I'm sorry, Brenda, I

(01:29:46):
don't have the phone lines open. And that pastor finds
out this new information, he can't teach it. He has
to teach the agreed upon doctrine of the church. He
has to teach the agreed upon doctrine of the assemblies
of God, of the Church of Christ, of whatever, whoever,

(01:30:06):
and I don't. That's one thing, man, you have to
you have to be open to the thing that to
think that you have the corner to think that you
have the market cornered, to think that you are to
know at all, that you understand it all, you know,
especially people when they're young. Let's look at Stephen Bancards.
It's the dude who like just became a Christian. Now

(01:30:27):
he's an expert on all of it. He just he
just got born again, Praise God. He was into some things,
he got in over his head. You know, he met Jesus,
changed his life. That's a beautiful story. But now he's
an expert on Christianity. Now he's an expert on the
New Age and all this kind of stuff. So I

(01:30:49):
don't believe it. I'm not buying it, just like I
don't believe Stephen Bankcards is an expert. I don't believe
Corey Good is an expert. I'm sorry. I don't believe
that most of these peopleeople who you hail as experts.
Are they well spoken? Maybe? Do they wear a nice suit?
Do they got a great presentation? Do they speak at
the conferences? Maybe? Does that make them an expert? No,

(01:31:12):
not at all. Maybe they're older, maybe they speak with
an authority even though they're speaking bs they speak bs
with authority and so much so that we just believe it.
We just were convinced by their performance, by their aura,
you know, we think that they're telling us the truth.

(01:31:34):
Maybe they speak with an accent, maybe they speak like
Graham Hancock, maybe they speak like Richard Dolan. Right, we
just believe them because it's just like we're just like enamored,
like they sound smart. Maybe I feel that way because
I don't think I sound smart. Right, people listening to

(01:31:57):
this and I get made fun of all the time
in the comment sections about how good I am or
how I think I'm black? Who's this jobh Turkey? Like
I get all those weird comments, you know. But truth
is truth at the end of the day. It doesn't
matter who's speaking it, man, But you have to move
past the packaging. At the end of the day, truth

(01:32:20):
speaks for itself. It stands for itself. And you know,
I deal with a lot of people, especially a lot
of Christians, who will say, you know, truth is found
in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus says, I'm the
way the truth in the life. No man comes to
the Father except by me. I believe that. But I

(01:32:41):
believe that what that means, and what that represents isn't
what you think. You think that means about agreeing to
your church doctrine, coming and being baptized at your church.
Let us all speak the same things and essentially become lemmings.
It doesn't mean that. It's not what that means. He said,

(01:33:01):
I'm the way the truth in the life. He's talking
about love, man. He love is the way the truth
in the life. Because all those people who name the
name of Christ, that is a part of your denomination,
that is a part of your churches. They're racists, they're
bigoted it they're the biggest gossipers, they're the biggest backbiters.
Yeah they're performing miracles, Yes they're helping the poor. But

(01:33:25):
Jesus said, look, depart from me. I never knew you.
Why do you say you love me and you don't
do the things that I tell you to do. It
gets a little bit complicated, if you will, of what
is truth. Jesus is truth until we start talking about aliens.
Jesus is truth, until we start talking about tithing, until

(01:33:49):
we start talking about prophesying, until we start talking about
speaking in tongues. Then it's not about Jesus. Anymore. And
it's about these other things that a company the religion,
and it's okay to talk about these things. It's okay
to differ in your opinions of these things. It really is.

(01:34:11):
It's not okay to lash out, it's not okay to gossip,
it's not okay to name call, slander. That's not okay.
And so that's what accompanies a lot of these different
ideologies religious beliefs. Though how different we may be, we're

(01:34:38):
all the same at the end of the day. Those
people are not your enemy that we wrestle. We do
not wrestle against flesh and blood, but with powers and

(01:35:02):
principalities and have only places. That person is not your enemy.
A person is your brother, your sister. So that person
might need help, and you may be the one to
help them, especially if you can discern what they're going through. Right,
if you can discern what they're going through and discern

(01:35:24):
the spirits that are on them, you've learned how to
do it, you have an eye for that and ear
for that. Then what back bite, gossip, slander, kick them out.
You've discerned it, you've done well. You've done well. But
then what is greater is he that is in me,
Or is greater is he that is in them? Greater

(01:35:50):
is he that is in them? No greater is he
that is in me than he that is in the world.
This is not a battle of flesh and blood. It's
a spiritual battle howers and principalities, thought forms, ideas. People have,
people of research stuff that you wouldn't even begin to fathom.
They've opened up doodles and portals to other realms that

(01:36:10):
they cannot close. And they need help. They need help.
Who's gonna help them?

Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
Me?

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
I can't help everybody your pastor, No, he ain't finna help.
He's gonna showed you that we are people man, Chris
Garner tribe. Yeah, that's the eclectic man. We are peculiar people.
The Bible says, differences of opinion, differences of beliefs. I mean,
every one of us is different. But we're beautiful man,

(01:36:42):
and what we bring to the table, and you have
to train yourself to honor that. It's like default to
find out what makes us different, to honor what makes us,
what makes us different? Man? And just being I'm just
intrigued with their process. What did they learn? Why do
you feel this way? What did they say to you?

(01:37:04):
What did they do to you? Why do you feel
this way about what? Everything about religion? Definitely, why do
you think it's okay to have seventeen wives? Let me
let's get to the bottom of that's a that's interesting, Okay,

(01:37:26):
if people believe crazy stuff, man, why do you believe
in aliens? True sequel? Let me tell you. Let me
tell you. Listen to a couple podcasts, get past the intro,
stay a little bit longer, let us reason right. One
of the fruits of the spirits is long suffering. Being
able to suffer long ways with someone, regardless of what

(01:37:46):
they believe, regardless of how offended you are. Is walking
in your power, knowing who you are and not being
a chameleon, not being one who is easily pushed around
by every wind of doctrine. Some of you guys are
like that. I've been there. You got to know who

(01:38:09):
you are, or you allow these other people to tell
you who you are? Just a chameleon. Just blend in
with the environment you loved. Man. I woke up with
this word on my heart this morning, really strong for

(01:38:31):
my life and for you too. But seek godly counsel.
Seek godly counsel. There is wisdom in a multitude of counsel.
Seek godly counsel. Get direction. Quit trying to be a

(01:38:54):
lone horse, be a rebel, lone ranger. There's power in numbers.
Where two or three come together and agree, touching on anything.
There I am in the midst of them, where two
or three are gathered in My name, There I am
in the midst. If one can set a thousand of flight,

(01:39:16):
two can set ten thousand a flight. How many if
we got six or seven, how many if we got
eight or nine. Look what Jesus did with twelve twelve people.
Each one reached one. Each one of those people went often,
got twelve under them, trained them up in righteousness. They

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trained twelve up. They went out and changed the world.
We're having this conversation now. Twelve people, power, numbers, power
and unity, long suffering, the spirit. Seek godly counsel. Man,
I mean, what's the opposite of that? It's seeking ungodly counsel,

(01:40:01):
going to the council of the wicked? What is that?
She says the media, Turn on your television, scroll through
your Facebook. You'll see you'll see it's power and numbers. Man,
there's a unity in the spirit of the brethren that

(01:40:25):
nothing and no one can take away from you, the
spirit of Christ. It's all about love. Man. At the
end of the day, that was on my heart. I
sent out some messages this morning and took sought godly counsel,

(01:40:49):
hit up some godly people that I believe in. You
do the same. Find people. Surround yourself with people of vision,
people of valor, people who are not easily swayed, people
who walk in love, a supernatural love, a love for

(01:41:10):
the broken, a love for the fallen, a love regardless
of beliefs. Look for those people. Those are the others,
those are the ones. Those are the people you need,
whoever they may be. And you're going to go through
your own challenges. You got to prove what you believe.

(01:41:34):
Make sure you believe it. You've been talking a good game.
Now it's testing. Do you really believe it? Do you
really love people? What about this person who brings out
the worst in you? They exist me. I'm telling it's

(01:41:55):
still me. I get it, man, I get it. I
choose love. I choose peace. The Bible says that if
it's possible to lift peaceably with all men, if it's
possible speak evil of no man, I'm trying. We're all tempted.

(01:42:20):
We're all tried. We all have to prove what we
really believe. Those names come up, those people come up.
People want to reach out and touch somebody. They bring
out the worst in you. You've been hurt, wounded, made
fun of, laughed at, ridiculed, forgotten, picked over. No, bless them, actively,

(01:42:45):
bless them, call their name, bring their name before the
throne of the Father. You have an eye for a reason.
I'm telling you, this is why we got to talk
about this stuff. We move in the prophetic. We are
a people of the spirit. Most people who even listening
this deep into this conversation are people who have had
spiritual encounters. It's birth something within them. They're more sensitive

(01:43:08):
to the spirit realm. They're empathic, they know what people
are thinking. With that comes great responsibility. You'll go mad. Yeah,
I just had a guest on the other day talked
about a Kundalini awakening. It will kill you, it will
drive you insane. And guess what, some people don't make it.

(01:43:31):
Some people don't make it. It's true those even now,
people who you're best friends that never turn on you. You
never know, there's always a line that people are not
willing to go past. Look at Jesus, He's speaking of

(01:43:52):
five thousand people blowing their minds, sharing wisdom, sharing knowledge,
the beatitudes telling him about love. Man, blowing their minds,
and then he hits them with something deep and they said, man,
what the hell is he talking about? And he turned.
They left. They said, this dude is crazy. Due they

(01:44:14):
found that line, they couldn't follow him any further. It's like, well,
multitude of people is only just a few people left
with him after that because they understood what he was
talking about. They understood what he was talking about being
able to long suffer. People are going to walk with you. Man,

(01:44:39):
you're gonna offend people. You're gonna get offended. Don't let
that take root. Bitterness and offense will kill you, choke
you out. You'll take it to the grave with you. Bitter, mad, triggered,
even at a people group. You're mad at a people group.

(01:45:01):
I got friends who don't like black people. They were
beat up by a black person, robbed by black people.
Now they don't like any black people. They think all
black people are you know, they're triggered. They I got
friends who don't like cops. Cops kill black people, cops
or this, Cops do that, never call the cops, never snitch,

(01:45:25):
none of that. They have these weird preconceived notions, and
they judge all people, just like we were talking about earlier,
just judging all aliens or demons, all aliens or this.
All black people are this, All Mexicans are that. No,
come on, man, if you have any of those stigmas,

(01:45:47):
any of those triggers, you gotta move past it. They
exist for a reason. I've been talking about this a lot.
The triggers exist for a reason. Your heart racist for
a reason. Why does your heart race because you have
an open wound? And what if somebody's about to touch
that open wound? You know it, it's fin hurt, it's

(01:46:09):
finna hurt. Don't touch it, so you're protective of it.
It's not healed, it's not even scar tissue. It's still open.
And someone touches that wound, you get triggered and you
jump and you get defensive and you protect it. And
that's how we are. With our belief systems, with our fears,
with our faith, with our folly, with all of it.

(01:46:31):
We're protective of it. But it's a good thing because
to know why my heart's racing, to know why I
don't want to have this conversation. Let me address that.
We're talking about assension, we're talking about enlightenment, we're talking
about healing. You have to go to the places that hurt.
You have to deal with the brokenness, no matter where
it is, at any level of your life. All of

(01:46:51):
us are at different places. And the deeper you go,
the more of that al chemical healing process you're gonna
have to deal with because it gets deep. The word
of God is sharper than any two edges of sword.
It's able to decipher between the flesh and between the spirit.

(01:47:13):
The Word of God is like gazing into a Bible.
You start reading about yourself, these different layers of yourself,
the egoic mind, how selfish you are, throwing all that
stuff off, and then eventually when you get the healing.
When you get the healing, you want others to be

(01:47:33):
healed as well. You want others to be healed as well.
And you want to tell people because you found the light.
I got friends who preach on street corners. They found
the light, at least their light and they want to

(01:47:54):
tell people, I got friends who become vegans. They want
to tell people friends who've had UFO encounters. They want
to tell people had friends who have ayahuasca, psilocybin, mushroom encounters.
Guess what they want to tell people. It's helped them.

(01:48:14):
You have what everybody everyone is looking for. You've experienced that,
you've encountered it. You want to share it good. You
would be selfish to keep it in. You be selfish
not to tell anyone it's good. Well, most of us
out here have a zeal without knowledge. You have this

(01:48:35):
zeal which is beautiful, But you have to do the knowledge.
You have to show grace, long suffering. Let your actions,
Let your words be seasoned with salt. It preserves it,
Salt heals it. Talking about people are hurting, man, people

(01:48:56):
are dying, that have open wounds, and are words are
salt and we can even heal with our words. Season
every conversation seasoned with salt. You guys know, we've been
talking about casting out demons just through conversation. Hey, I'm
just talking, but I'm mission minded, I'm intentional. Every conversation

(01:49:24):
season with salt. Preservers of the Earth, the manifestations of
the sons and daughters of God, that the whole and
the entire creation is waiting on you to stop playing
games and get your act together, the whole all of
creation truth. Anyhow, Hey man, I really love you guys,

(01:49:51):
and enjoy these conversations. My guests was an awesome, awesome guest,
doctor Irena Scott. She's got some really cool books. Uphology
is very near and dear to my heart. The angelic,
the demonic even is very near and dear to my heart.
I want to know how it operates. I want to

(01:50:11):
know how not to get possessed. You know what I'm saying.
So I study this stuff and I know a lot
of you guys do too. And having these conversations opens
up because we've been places that other people don't have
to go, and you don't have to get possessed. I
was already there. Let me tell you what it looks like. Right.

(01:50:33):
There is a warning, but there's also a call to
come exploration beyond your wildest dreams that comes through a
relation ship in an encounter with the Father of Lights,
with the thing who, the being, the essence that created
all of this. Each one of us to beckon to

(01:50:57):
come and die. Coming now you're self, take up your
cross and follow me, he said. But in doing In
doing that, you find out that you will truly live.
In order to receive your life, you must lose it.
But he who loses his life will find it. You
have to be born again. Man. I'm hearing all these

(01:51:20):
beautiful stories, the the Kundalini Awakening with with my friend
uh Lola Scarborough the other day. She said, I just
felt like I was just born again, born a second time,
renewed the fire, cleansing it cleanses, cleansing, flat fire. We

(01:51:42):
all need that daily, man, Stir it up beyond your
wildest dreams. It's real. Reading the comments, everybody had beautiful encounters.
Shout out to everybody in the chat. Karen on Facebook,

(01:52:09):
the Facebook, the other streaming video here comments quit working,
but he gets this weird person LB. He just keeps
commenting all over my stuff. Just some weird like promo.
That's kind of weird. That's done away with just promoting

(01:52:32):
your stuff on other people's videos. That's what we used
to do back in the day. That's why my Space
fell apart because it all you got was spam from
rappers and artists trying to promote their mixtapes and they
would just flood your inbox and flood your comments. And
people still do that. They think that that's that works.
Don't do that, LB, get you some research SEO and

(01:52:57):
research ads. How to do ads, targeted ads to people
who are into what you have to offer for real,
do it. You don't have to spam people's stuff. It happens.

(01:53:20):
So yeah, let's say I'm gonn read the comments section.
Wren says, love you, thanks for your boldness and declaring
God's heart. We need more of that and we'll call
us to mature and grow in love for sure, man,
for sure. Christian says he loves the T shirt and
made his day True Seek. His face was so funny. Yeah,
let me see if I can. I don't know if

(01:53:40):
I can have it here again. Let's see. I think
it's I don't know, I think it's here. Let's see
bing right there. So there's the T shirt for all
of you guys watching. I've got a bunch of shirts. Man,
we have these T shirts. We have beautiful Truth seekret
coffee mugs. Trying to be creative man with different ways

(01:54:02):
to support the podcast. You know, we have. You know,
the music's there. It only brings in so much money,
not a lot, because people just downloads, you know, they
download stuff for free or listen to it on YouTube.
Trying to find creative ways to promote, to get the

(01:54:23):
the podcast out there. But then again, we got some
cool T shirts so you can look you can support
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shirts is one link, and then there's a link for music,

(01:54:43):
and then the link for digital music and all that stuff.
The best way to support is via Patreon. Man, it
really helps us fund what we're trying to do. And
I know people are going through a hard time right now. Financially,
not a lot of people are able to help. But
a little bit goes along way. So just a little bit,
if it's five dollars, ten dollars, a dollar like a

(01:55:06):
little little as much when God's in it, right, a
little bit goes a long way. So if you're able
to support, if you if you believe in in the work,
I'm asking you to support just whatever you're able to do, man,
Just anything helps. So thank you guys who have been supporting.
Thank you guys who believe in my work. I really
could and I should just go through the comment section

(01:55:28):
and just go through my inbox and show you the
people whose lives are impacted by this by this. Why look,
God uses the foolish, the foolish things of the world
to confound the wise. How can God use a interview
about UFOs and aliens to spark a light and change

(01:55:53):
someone's life. I remember I used to get a lot
of comments when people say I listened to your podcast.
I love the conversation, but I watch for the post
podcast discussion. I really watch to hear the post podcast
discuss discussions. And that's that's the ministry. That's why we

(01:56:16):
do it. Get you here, you got some truth in it.
I like UFOs, like aliens. I'm intrigued by the conversation.
I love it. I got something to add. I've got
encounters we all do, right, But it's something deeper, man,
It's something spiritual that connects us all. And I'm telling
you it's crazy. I praise God, you know, so Financially

(01:56:38):
it's a you know, I don't make a lot of
money doing this, and this is a listener supporter thing
that I've taken on. I do trust God that he
has called me to this, and uh, you know he'll
if he gives me the vision, he'll also give me
the provision to make it happen. But again, if you're
able to give, if you believe in the work, sign

(01:56:59):
up for my pay. Any level of giving really helps.
We were trying to do an event, uh you know,
we I've been promoting it and I had to kind
of quit promoting it because we had to cancel it.
So we had an event scheduled was going to be
in counter Memphis. We were going to be in Memphis
like next week and doing a workshop, doing a concert,

(01:57:20):
healing retreat, seminar or whatever. It was going to be good.
We was all, you know, looking forward to it, but
we weren't able to sell enough tickets and we weren't
even able to pay for the building, so we had
to cancel the event. So, you know, it is it
is my vision to to do more things like that

(01:57:40):
and to really step out and so you know, supporting
my work was going to open up doors so that
we can do that. So we want to travel, get
out there. We have a tribe. It's not just me.
There's a bunch of people. We've interviewed a bunch of
them and we're going to interview more. Shout out to
Chris Garner. He's going to be on here in a
couple of weeks. Good friend of mine. It's gonna be good.

(01:58:04):
But yeah, there's a lot of people and we want
to get out there, want to travel and do some
engagements and some weekends and some activations. There's a lot
we can do from the computer, and we're going to
do it. I'm going to do it. But if there's
something different about being able to be there together as
a family and to press in together, you know what
I'm saying, to engage having together, to pray together, to

(01:58:27):
eat together, to fellowship together. Heck to do karaoke together. Right,
it's just hang out, man, We're a family. And again
Patreon dot com back slash Trusika. I know people fall
upon hard times and not everyone's able to give, but
a little goes a long way. So thank you guys.
We've been faithful and supporting and you just you know

(01:58:49):
what I'm saying, believe in what I'm doing and I
thank you, and my family thanks you. So with that,
I'm gonna say peace and shalom. Really enjoyed this conversation,
loved hanging out with everyone in the live stream in
the chat. Makes it beautiful, Alie says, do a show
of answered prayers through this podcast. It's not a boastful

(01:59:09):
or prideful. It's helping and it's miraculous. Oh yeah, yeah.
There's so many people who have just been touched by it,
and it still blows my mind. You know, it really does,
because you know, but it's intentional. We are mission minded.

(01:59:30):
Even though it just seems like we're talking about aliens.
Something deeper. I'm talking about the one who created the aliens.
I love y'all. Man piece and shalom. I'm gonna get
off of here. If you're not a member of our discord,
the link is in the description hang out with us.
We hang out there. You could talk on your cell phone,

(01:59:51):
on your computer, wherever it is. Hang out with us
on Discord. We'd love to have you there. And if
you'd like to talk to me, I'm available there. A
lot of people want to text me and message me,
send me all these messages. I rather just jump on
jumping Discord and give you a few minutes and just
talk to you. Right. I'm better at that then, will you?
You do? You know what I'm saying. I just it's

(02:00:13):
not as personal for me. Discord is awesome. Taking advantage
of it. Holler at you, love y'all, Peace and shaloon.
Go buy my T shirt extra to the gift shop,
buy the T shirt peace so much, so much, so much.

Speaker 6 (02:00:39):
So much.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
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