Jordan Maxwell’s Forbidden Disclosure: UFOs, The Occult Bible, and the Kingdom of Heaven Revealed

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Jordan Maxwell, what's going on? My brother?

Speaker 5 (03:26):
How are you well? I think okay for the moment.
It's seventy seventy years old. I just had a birthday
a couple of days ago, so but I'm done pretty good,
considering everything. Well, good to be back on the air
with you.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Happy belated, definitely, Oh, well, thank you, it's good to
see you. Good spirits. You know what, every time we
do a podcast, Geord, you know how to you know
how to get the people riled up. Man, it's something
about having a controversial show, which some time just walking
on eggshells. But I found out that controversy sells, like

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that's what the people want to hear. What is it
about Jordan Maxwell always brings forth the controversy.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Well, I think it's because I have always, always, even
as a kid, I've always gravitated toward the secrets, the
dark stuff that nobody knows and nobody wants to talk about.
And even as a kid, I would ask questions of
adults that made them very uncomfortable. They don't want to

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talk about these kind of things. And even my mother
used to say, well, those are not subjects that polite
people talk about in polite company. And I said, well,
then let's just assume I'm impolite. I want to know.
I'm questioning the integrity of everything. I want to know
what God is and what God isn't and what the

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government is, and where the money comes from and who's
running the show. So I you know, I started off
on the bottom and I kind of worked my way
down from there, and so I've always been controversial because
that's the way I think. I mean, I always look

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at the dark side of everything. I mean, you see
a beautiful marriage taking place, and all the people are happy,
but I you know, I'm looking at the next twenty years.
Let's see what's going to happen, you know, and so
and so. And then when you see a pretty girl
or a handsome young man, you know, outwardly they are

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very handsome and beautiful until you talk with them, and
then you find out that there's nothing upstairs at all.
I have no idea the word what they're doing, and
their life is going to be a tragedy. I can
tell by the way they're talking and things they're saying.
I could tell they have no idea what's going on

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in the world. And so I've always kind of tended
to look at the dark side of everything, and now
I can truthfully tell you after doing it for some
fifty eight years, everything has a dark side, and so
you need to wake up and discover the world you

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live in is not what you think it is. And
there's a lot of good, but there's far far more evil,
far far more deception. And there are good people doing
good things, and I appreciate that, but there's a lot
of a lot of dark stuff going on in the

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world today, and I think the people waking up to
that fact. You know, it's not all It's like George
Carlin said about the people who run the planet. He say,
it's a big club, and you mean in it, you are.
Even if you think you're smart, you're not. You're not
in it. And so I have my own viewpoints on subjects,

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but I have discovered that in religion and government and
commerce and life in general, nothing is what you think
it is. And there's always another part of the story
you weren't told and uh. And so that's true in
banking and commerce and business. And why you know why

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people get in trouble and business is because they don't
know what they're doing. They don't know what the words mean,
you know. So that's what I do. I try. I
purposely try to not offend anyone, because that's not my
purpose is to offend. But what I want to do

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is to catch people's attention and and and then once
you've got their attention, explain to them how the world
really works. Does it work the way you think it does?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
And you go you find that it goes like Apostle Paul.
What did Apostle Paul say, Have I become your enemy?

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Because I tell you the truth exactly? And so I
believe that the New Testament story in the Bible, the story,
the basic story of Jesus in the New Testament, I
believe based on my work that I've only been looking
at it for fifty eight years, but I'm sure that

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I'm onto something. I believe the New Testament is a metaphor.
I think it's a symbolic story, and it's well developed
in symbolism. And if you don't understand the symbols and
what the different people and the different place pace is
represent in the symbology, then you're never going to really

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get the real story of the New Testament. You're going
to take the New Testament as history. And if you
take it as history, then you're really going to be confused.
And that's exactly what's happening today in Christianity all over
the earth is nothing but confusion. The part of the

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world Eastern and Greek and Russian Orthodox do not see
things the same way the Roman Catholic Church does. The
Protestants in the Western world don't see the things that
the Church does. So there's all kinds of confusion and chaos.
And so I'm saying that the reason why there's confusion

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and chaos in religion, in government, in commerce, and everything
else in life is because you don't understand the symbols.
You don't know what's going on here. So you are
not you, but I'm talking to the world. You're like
a naive young man going in to a Las Vegas

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casino and you sit down at the table and you
get ready to play the game, and before you know it,
you're out of the game. They just took everything. You
owing money, You ring out of money, and they asked
you to leave you and you're thinking, what happened? I
just sat down and I lost everything. Well, because you
don't know how to play the game. You don't know

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what the rules of this game.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Are.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
So that's why I get in trouble because I do
try and awake people and you know, make them aware
of how much they don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Thank you show them the rules. So think for the thing,
for the young man sitting on at the table, you
trying to tap him on the shoulder, say hey, come
read this manual before you sit down at the big
boys table. Go play some slot machines something like that.
That's why you sit down with these devils right here.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Yeah, and then when you sit down with them, here's
what they're gonna say. You're gonna say this, this and that,
but that's not what they mean.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, you know, so so true. The whole sleight of hand,
even even with the car dealers and all that stuff.
That that that whole analogy is perfect. Jordan. And before
we went live, I showed you my new shirt that
I had made. Yeah, Man p Hall team today, y'all
you know what I'm saying. The Man of Mystery, great teacher.

(11:30):
You were talking a little bit about how he left
you some of his work and how you miss him
and how he was a great mentor.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Yeah, it was a wonderful, wonderful man. I myself just
my opinion, but I think he was probably one of
the greatest teachers this world has ever known in any
era of time, one of the great masters of knowledge
and wisdom and education that's ever lived on this and

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I mean going back into the engagea Grecian Empire, the
Grecian Roman Empire, and all the great minds and the
philosophical teachers of the world. I know about so much
of that history. I cannot fathohim in my mind. Anyone
who comes close to the work of Manley Palmer Hall.

(12:22):
He was an incredibly brilliant man. And he never promoted
any particular religious belief He never particularly he never promoted
any particular philosophical or political viewpoint at all. What Manly P.
Hall did was nothing short of phenomenal. He taught everyone

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about every religion and concept and philosophy in the whole
world as a master, I don't care what it is,
and from China to pan to Africa, to any country
in the world, any nation, any race, creed or color,
any belief system, any religion, he was a master in

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all of it. What an incredible incredible man he was,
and he was a dear friend of mine, and I
learned so much from him. And I learned humility from him,
because for being such an incredible teacher, he was always
very humble and very quiet and very you know, just
a wonderful, wonderful teacher. And I learned a lot from him.

(13:34):
The world could learn a lot if they just settle
down and listen to the old man. You know, there's
I don't know, there's hundreds of hours of Manley P.
Hall on the web talking, and people could just sit
and listen to him and just be amazed at the

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brilliance of this man's mind. And I know more about
him than most people. I can tell you a lot
about Medley P. Hall that But anyway, I just always
loved him. I've always respected everything he does. And he's
gone now, but his work is still with us and
you can see it on go on the web. Anybody

(14:18):
listening could go on the web to Manly m A
n L Y P Hall h A L L and
go on to YouTube and just type of Manly P.
Hall and listen to him. You tell me, he's not
the most incredible thing you've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I love him because he, like you said, he doesn't
teach it like he's trying to teach Christianity or Buddhism
or Taoism or whatever. But he simply acts as a historian,
telling you what they all believe and how they all
kind of seem to run together, and essentially essentially lets
you choose. I have a lot of people that say,
Manly p Hall teaches this and he teaches that. He

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doesn't vouch for any of it. He presents it and say, hey,
this is what they believed. How does that apply to you?

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Right? Yeah, And he would say and he would say,
if you want to talk about Buddhism, then understand it correctly.
It's not that simple. And then he would go into
two hours of explaining all of the different kinds of
Buddhism and what each one taught and each one believes,

(15:23):
and where it came from and where they got their
ideas from. He's not promoting it. If you go to
believe something, well here the the rest of the story.
You didn't know. And so I'm just amazed what he
was able to do, and especially I was very much
impressed with his Astro Theology series. It's like about seven

(15:46):
I think it's seven ninety minute lectures he did, and
he called it astro theology, and what it was is
he explained where all of the beliefs and christian and
Judaism have come from, and the ancient and prehistoric, ancient world,

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the belief systems that finally became known as Judaism and Christianity.
Where did those ideas, belief systems, words and terms and
symbols come from. Where did it all actually be at
going back to the very beginning, you know, millenniums ago,

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thousands and thousands of years ago. Where did religion start
and where did it come from? And what a masterful
job he did with that. Ye, it was startling to
anybody who has an open mind. And remember, your mind
is like a parachute, don't work if it's not open. Yeah,
but if you've got an open mind and you really

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want to know, go on the web to Manly P.
Hall and look up astro Theology and it's like about
seven or eight hours where he explains the whole of
world religions, where it comes from, what it all means. So, yeah,
he was a wonderful man and I loved him greatly,

(17:10):
And yeah, when he passed away. He left his research journals.
It was a priceless, priceless collection of all of his work,
of his life.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
He left to me, can you shed any light on
how he passed? I've read different things online that he
was taken out and that there was different things done
to him. Do you have any knowledge on his final hours?

Speaker 5 (17:35):
I thought I did. I thought I did because I
was told by people on the inside who knew something
about Many Pee Hall's death, and from what I gathered,
no matter what the story is, there's two or three
of them out there. Each one's different, but the bottom

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line on all three stories is the same. He was murdered,
he was killed, and uh and so. But he was like,
I don't know. In his nineties, I guess still, yeah,
it's still going. Beautiful, brilliant mind. Even at ninety years old.
He was dazzling the audiences with his lectures because he

(18:16):
could talk about the ancient Sumerians, the ancient Egyptians, the Babylonians,
the ancient Chinese dynasties, what they believed, why they believed it,
and what they taught and just he was just a
magnificent teacher. And uh, I'm delighted that all of his
work is still out there on YouTube because people don't

(18:38):
know about him. So I'm trying to make go aware.
Go as listen to Manly pe all, you will be
amazed at what you will discover.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
What's the what's the oldest Manley P. Hall book that
you have? I love collecting his old his old work.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, I had. I had his All Saying
Eye book. I can't even remember. I got so much
of his stuff, but it was all very, very fascinating.
The one thing I liked about him too is that
on his lectures and in his writings and on his lectures,

(19:18):
he always started right on the hour. In his church,
his little group, he'd always start right on the hour,
and exactly ninety minutes to the second he would end it.
And it would be a perfectly beautiful lecture on some subject,
some religious and philosophy that he would start exactly on time,

(19:40):
and exactly ninety minutes later he came to the end,
and it was perfectly beautifully presented. And I've often wondered
how in the world because he put together a beautiful,
flowing mind trip on education and have it in appropriately quickly,

(20:01):
right on time each time.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Now, was he reading a lot of that stuff or
was he just going off the top?

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Wow, it's going off the top of this.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
How many hours, hours and hours and.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Hours, hundreds and hundreds of hours. And I used to
go to his lectures all the time on Sundays. On
Sundays he would have, you know, a big meeting like
a meeting hall, and he would come out and as
old man, he would come out and they'd sit him
down on a big, a big, huge share on the

(20:32):
stage and put the microphone up for him. And he's
just an old man and there's no notes, nothing, and
he would sit there and dazzle audiences were brilliant stuff.
People have never heard the kind of things that he
was talking about. He was explaining the Bible, where it
came from, who wrote it, and the Koran and who

(20:54):
actually wrote it, and what it is actually saying, not
what you thought it was saying, and the depth of
insight into philosophies and religions. He was magnficent.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Hey, I think I think I heard your timer go off.
I know you was waiting on some food. I don't
know if it's that time yet.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
I just want to Yeah, could well let me go
check it. I'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Be are to take it for a minute. Definitely, Manley P.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Hall.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
I've dedicated my music to his works. The first couple
of albums that I put out, Manley P. Hall was
on the intro and as well as in the credits
and things like that. So it's an honor to talk
to Jordan Maxwell about Manley P. Hall because it's Manley P.
Hall's work that inspired me to create it and to

(21:43):
do what I'm doing. And then Jordan Maxwell as well.
Whenever I was kind of having second thoughts about the
esoterics and disbelief systems, but it was through conversations with
Jordan Maxwell that encouraged me to keep heading in this direction.
So it's just a privilege to talk to Jordan about

(22:04):
Manly as well. Both of these guys are just like
heroes in my book, you guys. If you guys don't
know if you gots new to my to Jordan's work.
Jordan is essentially by my recognition and a lot of
other people's not his own. He's pretty much the godfather
of esoterics as you know it now in America, with
everybody who has podcasts, everybody who's in the lecturer circuits.

(22:26):
They've all are expounding upon the work of Jordan Maxwell.
So it's just a pleasure to have you here with
me again.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Well, thank you for that. I appreciate that. I started
doing public lectures back in nineteen fifty nine, that's fifty
eight years ago on religions, on political movements of the world,
and how the banks work, and how government works, and

(22:54):
the whole incredible social order that the human race lives under.
Don't understand, and I've been trying to wake people up
to all the darkness that's around the world that we're
not aware of. Boy, when you start to find out
how the world really works and what America really is,

(23:16):
like Dick Gregory used to say, you better find out
what it really is. Oh yeah, I mean he was sensational. Yeah,
And I was a very good friends with Dick. We
used to do shows together. I was on the stage
with him and sometimes he introduce me, sometimes I introduced him,
and but we we've been on panels together. And I

(23:39):
loved Dick Gregory because he was so incredibly right on
target and everything, but he was funny with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Communication, that's that's a big thing now because there's people
who they see the like the spiritual leaders or the
people who present themselves the spiritual leaders of our day
esoteric circuits, and how they're all poised, and they're all
dressed really nice and fancy, and they're always spiritual. But
then there's people who like to tell jokes, they like

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to laugh, they like to see a room of people laugh,
and they're still spiritual, and they're spiritual leaders and gurus
as well. And people are fighting within themselves to how
much of themselves should they let the audience see that
they're just a normal person just like them. Can you
talk a little bit about that?

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, that is very true. I have said so many
times on interviews and lectures I've done around the world,
but I always try and start off by saying that
I am not the world's foremost authority on anything. I'm
smart enough to know how much I don't know, and

(24:53):
so I'm not an authority on anything, And I say
I feel better to say that I'm just an ordinary
man and pursuing extraordinary knowledge. I'm fascinated with wisdom and
knowledge and the hidden, the hidden story of the world
we live in.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
I wanted to ask you because with twenty eighteen. There's
some news that you have. You've been working with some people.
You're working with Guya TV. Talk a little bit about that.
I know you have one interview that's out with George
Nori and you just got done with a pretty big
meeting with those guys. Just talk a little bit about that,

(25:33):
because they're like one of the main sources of people
who are putting out alternative news and spirituality and stuff
like that. And are they going to back you.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
You guys working together, Yeah, yep, we're working together. As
a matter of fact, I'm doing my first show with
them on Monday this coming Monday, on the eighth, I'm
doing a half hour show on Gaya and that will
begin a whole series of shows to be doing over

(26:01):
the next period. And so I'm living here now in Boulder, Colorado,
and the office is only about about six blocks from me,
and so I'm very happy to be here with them.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
But I.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Need to say that I've had my own radio show
about seven times in my life. I used to do
a morning talk show for about three hours in Las Vegas,
and then also I also had a late night talk
show in Las Vegas. Also I used to do a

(26:42):
late night talk show in Los Angeles on the ABC affiliate,
and I was on KPFK and many other stations. So
I've done a lot of radio over the years and
in stations, and I've always got the same problem. I've
always getting shut off or shut down, and people lose,

(27:05):
they lose the feed. And I know what it is
because I'm talking about things that the people who own
us and who control us and who own us don't
want me talking. And I know why they don't want
people hearing what I have to say. But I'm not

(27:26):
out looking for trouble. I'm not out trying to harm
anyone or offend anyone. But it so happens that truth
many times offends people, and it really offends government. Government has.
Government has an agenda, and the agenda is very simple

(27:49):
and not hard to understand. They are in the position
of power to control, and they damn well want to
stay there and control. They don't want to hear anybody
who's got the mind to understand who they are and
what they're doing. They don't want that person talking anywhere, period.

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And so so many good people who were very knowledgeable
and had important things to share with the world ended
up dead, assassinated, or that will fell out their car
and the whole family who have died. So assassinations and

(28:34):
those kind of things happened to people who are on
the front line of trying to help their fellow men
understand what's going on, because the governments do not want
you knowing what they are doing, period. And even more
so is that true of religion. Churches, religions, synagogues, the mosque,

(28:58):
all of these major religions of the world are not
interested in you shooting your mouth off and telling people
what they're really doing. They're not interested for you to
go out there and spoil their game. They've got a
whole they've got a whole show they're putting on. And

(29:19):
if you happen to know what's really going on behind
the scenes, and you go out and start talking about
what the synagogue is really doing, not what you thought
was doing, and what the church is actually up to
that you didn't know anything about at all, believe me,
that's when you are starting to get on people's nerves.

(29:42):
Because there's a story out there about who owns us
and who controls us, and where our country came from
and where we're going and It's a very very powerful
and frightening story. When you know how big this operation
of running the way world really is, and when you
start to find out how this world really works, then

(30:07):
you begin to get in trouble because now you're talking
about things you're not supposed to know and you're not
supposed to talk about. So I've been talking about these
things for years. So I just do the best I
can with trying to help people to understand the world
they live in. And so I get cut off quite

(30:29):
a bit on radio. I've lost radio shows because the
stations just drop me immediately. And I was told, you're
not talking on our station about the stuff you talk about. No,
thank you. Why that is true? It may be true,
but you're not going to And I got to talk

(30:49):
on this station about it.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
You can't handle the truth, right, that's it.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
That's it. I want the truth. You can't handle the truth.
The truth is not you think it is. So anyway,
that's who I am, that's what I do, and that's
what I cause. People get there.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Well, hope you take I think I think I think
they know what they're getting into with Jordan Maxwell. Now,
so if they approached you, hopefully they know what they're
getting into. They're not going to pull a rabbit out
the hat. You know, what you see is what you
get with Jordan's that's right. You guys came to me
type deal, right.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
That's it, you know. And so but I really appreciate
their kindness. They've been extraordinarily kind and courteous to me
and very very supportive and and everyone there is very
very nice to me. And that's something I haven't seen
all my life as well, people who you know, come

(31:45):
to me and show me that they are appreciative and
they're decent and honorable and and very generous. Uh, well,
that's guy. Guya is a sensational company, and what they're
doing is they want to put I think they've got
over eight thousand different videos now that you can access

(32:06):
when you join Gaia. It's only twenty Yeah, yeah, I do.
I haven't only.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Lugged that link because you get a kickback when they
sign up under your eye. It helps you your word.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
It's very important that that people who want to join
sign up under me because it not only helps me
financially it's just a very small little bit, but it
also shows the company the value of my person and
that's what's important to me. I want the people Gaya

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to understand who I am and the value of what
I do and who I am, and so well, that
shows up if you got a lot of people joining
because of you, and that shows that you know, people
care about what you're doing and people care about what
they're learning.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
We got we got a bunch of questions and just
comments in general in the chat room of people people
just thanking you for your work. That people want to
know where they can can donate to your work as well.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
That would be nice. I practically live on donations and
that's why I live so modestly. But it helps immensely
to have donations. And so you just go on my website,
Jordan Maxwell's Show. Very important you add the word show
s how because that's my website. There are other websites

(33:33):
out there that you use my name, but it's not mine.
The only one that's mine is Jordanmaxwellshow dot com. And
if you go on Jordan Maxwell Show, uh, there's a
place for donations. There's a little button right there says
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Speaker 3 (35:54):
You'll see Jordan Maxwellshow dot com all the infos there.
Make sure you guys go over there and do that
as well. I'm a member, be like me, joined Jordan
Maxwell's Research Society. Definitely a lot of cool stuff there.
I've been exploring that stuff. There's some questions here about UFOs.
They are asking like, when's the last time you saw UFO?
People are really blown away by your UFO stories. But

(36:14):
I guess a little bit deeper is the government just
released some footage of this UH fighter pilot following uh
some type of craft or UFO whatever it is. Did
you happen to see that footage that?

Speaker 5 (36:29):
No, I haven't seen that.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Oh really you haven't.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
I've been working on a lot of other stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
It's been all over the news and it's it's it's
funny because they're like, Okay, we admit that we've secretly
been investigating uh, you know the UFO phenomenon.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Well, it's about time. It's about time.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I don't want to hear their explanation though. I don't.
I don't think we can trust what they tell us
they are. If they come out and say, hey, there
are a threat from uh, you know, from a distant gallon,
see another planet, I'm not going to trust that. I
think disclosure is happening. I mean, you've had tons of encounters.
I have too, by listening to your work and you're
talking about your encounters. I've went out under the stars

(37:12):
by myself, meditated and just tried to make contact, and
I've had amazing life changing encounters with craft, with beings
out there in the stars.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Man.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
That's where disclosure is happening.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
That's right as it's out there, and eventually it doesn't
matter what government wants, doesn't matter what government wishes period.
Whatever's out there is bigger than government, and it will
make itself known what it chooses to and it hasn't
got nothing to do with you or me. Somebody else

(37:46):
is out there, obviously, we've known that for a long time.
The pharaohs of Egypt knew, and all the ancient cultures
of the world talked about and wrote about and talked
about the extraterrestrial life forms that are out there, and
they're coming here. Of that, there is no doubt in
my mind, no doubt my mind, that we are being

(38:08):
visited by alien life forms from a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
And people want to say that, Okay, well, what if
it's just advanced government technology. What if it's back engineered
craft that you're seeing a lot of times with these
sightings comes telepathic communication where they transmute a thought back
to you. I strongly disbelieve that the government's doing that.
Those are our creators, the ones who seated us here.

(38:36):
They've been watching over us for a long time. If
they wanted to destroy us, they would have been done it.
They've been watching over strongly.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Believe that, and that's why I've even said today to
some people will visit me today, that every single culture
that has ever ever existed on this Earth, from Alaskans
to Russians to Chinese, Africans, Asians, every single group and
culture on the Earth period now and in the thousands

(39:08):
of years in the past. It's very important to think
about this. Every culture in the world has the talk
and talks about the aliens, the gods who came here
from another place, the gods, the UFO, the alien life forms,
and Christianity we call it God and the angels. Well,

(39:31):
where is God? Well, God's out there. Even a kid
will tell you if you ask him, where is God? Well,
God's out there. Well, then that means if God's out there,
he's extraterrestrial. He's not from Alabama, so he's out there,
and that means he's an extraterrestrial. Do you believe in angels,
in spirits and angels? Yes, well where are angels, Well,

(39:53):
they're out there with God. Oh there's other other living
organisms out there. It's God out there. Yeah. Well, if
it's out there, it's actually terrestrial. So every religion on
the face of the earth, every philosophy has always talked
about the gods, the alien life forms that are in

(40:13):
the universe that have come here. We call them aliens, demons, devils, angels,
sons of God and onno Naki and go down the line.
All the ancient cultures. Everybody knew about it except Americans.
We don't know I for nothing. It has to hit

(40:34):
us in the face of what we will admit it.
But just keep in mind the reason why government and
churches do not admit the obvious is because the whole
system that controls us on the earth is government and
religion holding hands. It's the two hands that controlled the

(40:56):
human race on the earth, legit. And so neither one
of those hands want you button in and telling the
people what's really going on, because now it's bad for business.
So they got to get rid of you because you're
waking people up.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, and that that's one of the that's one of
the churches have the backlash too. When you start speaking
the truth in churches and talking about doctrine and dogma
and the truth about the scriptures and stuff like that,
and uh, and you're in that midst of people trying
to do it, you're bad for business. I would do
the same thing, like if like if you try, if
you try to uh uh, you know what I'm saying,

(41:36):
take away from my livelihood. That's what you're doing. You're
taking away from their livelihood when you.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Do that, exactly right.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
You got to get out of there, your threat.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
They got to get you, right because if you let
him stay here, your name is going to be all
over town, and you're not gonna You're not gonna do anything.
Nobody's gonna hurry you. Nobody wants to work with you,
nobody wants to have anything to do with you. Why
because everybody knows who you really are and what you're
really doing. And so that's just bad for business. And
that's the name of the tomb with Government is a business.

(42:05):
That's why all churches are in denominations, you know, like
twenties and fifties, one hundreds. Yeah, churches are in denominations.
And government is in business. The whole governmental system on
the world today is a business. And we could talk
about that for hours, but it's a really interesting story

(42:29):
about how governments govern their people. And for instance, you
think if you're in the US today, you think you're
in the United States of America. You're not in the
United States of America. There is no United States of America.
It does not exist legally or lawfully on the earth

(42:50):
you are now living. If you're in North America and
living below Canada, you're not in the United States of America. Sorry,
go back and do your homework. America is no longer
the seventeen seventy six republic that was founded back in

(43:10):
seventeen seventy six. That was done away with officially in
eighteen seventy after the Civil War, the United States was
a lot of things, but not united. After the Civil War,
we were not united. One after the country was killing
the other half and we made a lot of enemies,

(43:31):
both north and south, and so we were a lot
of things in eighteen seventy, but united was not one
of them. So what are you going to do after
the Civil War? Because half the country has killed the
other half and we're not We don't have any friendly
feelings between each other and in the north and south,

(43:52):
and there was a terrible, bloody war. But now that
the war is finally over, what are we going to
do with the country. We're going to do how we're
going to run the country because we're not united? And
so it was decided that we would that the people
who had the money, the wealthy people who ran the place,
they decided to instead of having a country, they would

(44:16):
now make it into a company, a corporation like seers
like Exxon and the oil companies and big corporations. United
States today is a company as a corporation. It was
incorporated in Delaware, so it's pretty much a privately owned company,

(44:40):
a corporation. And so today, if you are a US citizen,
that does not mean that you're from the United States
of America. That's USA, but you will not see USA
too many places anymore the US. The US did this,
and the US did that. Look and find out that

(45:01):
US is a privately owned company. As a municipal corporations
an it's owned by owners. So the United States is
a corporation, and if you are working for the corporation,
you're a citizen of the United States. And and but
once you understand that, that opens up a whole can

(45:22):
of worms as to other words in terms that we use,
because if the United States today is one corporation, one company,
then if you come into this country and into this
land without paperwork, then you are illegal because you are

(45:42):
coming into a corporation that didn't hire you. They didn't
hire you, but we found you and the Ford Motor
Company found you in their warehouse one night, and you
don't work for Ford. So what are you doing here
if you don't work for Ford? So they put you
under arrest. And so the idea is that if you

(46:04):
come into this what you think is a country. It's
not a country, it's a corporation. And if you come
in here and start working and making money and you
are undocumented, they don't know who you are, then they
are going to the company can put a mechanics lean

(46:27):
on you. Mechanics lian simply means if I pay your
house and you don't pay me, I can put a
lien on the property. And that means that you have
to pay me before you can do anything because I
put a lean on your property. Well, that's what happens.
When the corporation called United States finds out that you

(46:48):
are here from Mexico, from South America and you have
it registered, they're not making money off of you. Then
they put a lean on you. It's called mechanics lean.
And so you become known as an alien, no not alien.
They put aileen on you and becomes aleen a alien.

(47:11):
And so it all has to do with commerce, banking, business.
The whole world is a business, mister beal. If you'll
remember that in the movie Network many many many years ago,
the movie Network and the head of the network was
telling the newsmand if you watch the movie, the whole

(47:34):
world as a corporation, a company. We do business around
the world as just business and hasn't got nothing to do.
Which will America being the Land of the free in
the home of the brave because you ain't free or brave.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, got a question here. I'm gonna take some of
these questions in the chat. The phone lines aren't up
anymore since the computer shut down, but this is from
a friend of mine of Adam star seed Bay says,
a question for Maxwell, do you have any info or
theories on why Antarctica is such a hot spot for

(48:11):
ets in history?

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Well, first of all, if there has been if there
has been a pole shift. Uh, And from what I've
heard from scientists who have said, yes, we've had pole
shifts in the past, maybe millions of years ago, but
they have happened. Well, a pole shift simply means that
if you're living on the equator today is hot and

(48:39):
humid because that's the Equator. But if the magnetic poles
of the Earth change, then north and south North and
southern North poland South Pole are going to be human,
They're going to be jungles, and the equator is going
to be freezing coal because the whole life of the

(49:02):
Earth has been changed. Around, so the heart becomes freezing
cold and what was freezing coals melted and becomes a
jungle is called a pole shift. Well, I'm saying if
there was a pole shift, maybe, as Zachariah Sitchen and
many other writers have talked about, that, there were aliens,
actual other world aliens who came here and they obviously

(49:27):
picked a warm spot on the Earth to land, and
so they probably had a whole network of life forms
that were here hundreds of millions of years ago. And
then if there was a pole shift, now it's freezing.
So maybe what we talked about the Antarctica being freezing solid,

(49:48):
frozen and North Pole, maybe it wasn't frozen, yeah, two
million years ago, five hundred thousand years ago, and maybe
there were life forms here from other worlds. Maybe today
if you go down there, government's not going to let
you go down there, and it's our international laws you
can't go down there, let's they allow you to. And

(50:11):
so I'm thinking that there is something going on down there,
and that has to do with other life forms that
are on this Earth. And there's no doubt my mind
that there is in fact life forms un this Earth
which are not from here that I am totally convinced that.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
What's your relationship with Tasserian because I know he speaks
highly of you and talks about how you kind of
prepped him up and kind of trained him up and
what he's doing now.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Yeah. Yeah, Michael is a sweetheart. Michael's always been a
very very kind and very very supportive dear friend. Michael
Cesaian and he is absolutely awesome. He's a very brilliant mind,
very very smart guy, and he's done a lot of
research on the world we live in. And he used

(51:02):
to come to my lectures many years ago, and afterwards
he and I would go out for lunch or dinner
or whatever. And I've always admired him because he's an
extraordinarily articulate spokesman for the alternative viewpoint of the world.
And so, yeah, I like Michael very much, and he's

(51:22):
a very smart guy.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
He talks about like a lot of the and the
ancient paintings and stuff. We see these different serpents and
these et looking beans walking around town into ancient artwork,
and that these beings were known by the people back
in the day. Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 5 (51:40):
Yes, if you go back to the Bible in the
Book of Genus gens Is one and two and three
all the way up till the Genesis nineteen. From Genesis
the first chapter to nineteen chapter is just filled with
stuff talking about the extraterrestrial who came here. I remember

(52:01):
talking with a very famous, very well known, famous rabbi
in America many many years ago, in the back in
the sixties, mid sixties, and he was saying that he
told me, no place in the Bible, especially in the
Old Testament, no place does it say God created man.

(52:25):
And there's no scripture says that. So the church teachers
that God created us, But no, that's not what the
scripture says. And there's no place that says God created
us at all. And then I of course asked them, well,
what does it say Christianity would show you in the
and Genesis won the first chapter.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
That it was the God, the Son and Holy Spirit
created everything.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Yeah, right, yeah, And then I tell them, no, that's Jewish,
that's Old Testament. There ain't no Father's on the Holy
Spirit in the Jewish world. You better go back and
do your homework on what that word means. And so,
but the scripture says, and the Christians will tell you
God created man. Why where does it say that? And

(53:13):
so I said that to the rabbi, and I said,
because in Genesis one twenty eight, God says, come, let
us make man in our image after our likeness. And
then Christians will say, see there it is right there.
God said, come let us make man. The rabbi said, no, no,
you're reading it wrong. Go back and read the sentence correctly.

(53:36):
What is being said is God said, come let us.
Who's us? Who's us? If God said come let us,
what are you talking about us? Now? God said, come,
let us make man in our image after our likeness.

(53:57):
He's already here, but let's make him look like us.
Let's make him be like us. So let's cross our
d n A with this creature. We call the the
Neanderthal creature, the ancient ancient Hamonids that we all know

(54:19):
exist because we see you know, we see their their
their skeletal remains. So we know there was an ancient
ancient creature that looked like us a little bit and
walked on two feet, but they weren't us. Well, that's
what the Bible says. God says, come let us whoever
that is let us make man in our image, after

(54:44):
our likeness, because he's already here. But let's change him
and make him look like us. And so he did.
He created man, and then later on a couple a
couple uh later, God said to whoever is us, whoever

(55:04):
the us is, God said, now look what you have done.
Look what we have done. We have created man and
our image and our likeness. And now he is able
to do all kinds of things. Now he's able to
do mathematics and science, and there's nothing he can't do.
There's nothing he can't do. So now he's become like us,

(55:28):
knowing good and evil. Now he's become like us, knowing
what's really going on. So see what you've done. You've
taken this creature, this harmadid creature, this Neanderthal man and woman,
and you have bred into them our DNA and lottle.
By little by little, it starts changing that creature until

(55:52):
one day we come into the world with lasers and
beautiful music and rock. Get said, all kinds of incredible
knowledge and technology. Where did we get it? We got
it from the gods. The gods are in the Bible
is called the Elohim. The gods who came here and said,

(56:14):
let us make men like us after our likeness. So
I'm saying, today we humans look like the God who
created us. That's exactly what the Bible is saying. Most
people have no idea in the world what those words
really mean in the Bible because they don't do their
own work.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, when you let the scriptures interpret themselves with themselves
versus kind of skipping ahead with the whole father, son,
holy Spirit thing, you know, they have to have a
reasoning for something like, they have to have an explanation,
and that's totally not who that is talking there. You
find out, like you said, Genesis eighteen and nineteen, when

(56:56):
the US came down and ate and supped with Abraham
and a wife, and then the other two angels went
to Sodomgamore to judge the city. These were the beings
that created us, they and the people, and.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
The people in Sodomy Gamora said that they were good
looking men, m e n. Not angels, not demons, No
good looking handsome men. And when and when God comes
into in the story in eighteen Genesis eighteen, Abraham and
Sarah and their tent and three men come walking up

(57:32):
and Abraham goes out and crawls on his falls down
and says, what is by Lord saying to his servant,
And he said, and the Lord said, take your shoes off.
The very ground your on is holy. Why because I'm here,
We'll take your shoes off, and remember who you were
in front of. And then Abraham asked him to say

(57:54):
for dinner, He's gonna fix some dinner. And they said, no,
they don't have time. They don't have time. And so
then he insists that they stayed for a quick sandwich
or something, and so they said. Then God said, okay,
we'll make it quick. And so Sarah fixes dinner for
them very quickly. And the scripture says in Genesis eighteen

(58:16):
that Abraham and Sarah sat under the tree with the
three men, and they all had dinner together. And then
two men got up and said, after dinner, well we
have to go. We have to go. But the one
who was a spokesman for the three, his name was
in all capital letters LRD was in all capital letters,

(58:40):
which means in Hebrew, will tell you that that was
the God, the God, the main creator. And he had
with him two angels or two associates. Those two were.
Those two associates went on into Sonomagamara, and the men
of the town said that they saw these two men

(59:01):
and they were very handsome, good looking men. What does
that tell you? If the God comes walking into the
camp and all three of them are men, and they
sit down and have dinner with you, and then the
people in the other city they went to said they
were good looking, handsome men. It's telling you that whoever

(59:21):
created us, we looked like them. Now, we didn't look
like them in the beginning, but they came here and said, come,
let us make men in our image after our likeness.
So what am I saying. It's appearing that in the
Bible the heavens are filled with other life forms and

(59:45):
they look like us. And if that's true, then maybe
they are so smart. We didn't find them. They found us.
We can't go there because we're not smart enough, but
they can come here. And for us to say always
too far, they would never find us. It's too far out. No, No,

(01:00:05):
it's too far for you because you'll have a bringing
on your head. It's not too far for someone who
drives a maserati. And it was as an am genius
intellectually superior to you and as a human, and it's
been around his life, for him, has been around for
five million years. He knows more about the universe than

(01:00:27):
you're ever going to hope to know. And he knows
how to find you. He knows how to find life
in the universe. You don't, but he does. And then
if he wants to, he can come here. You can't
go there, You can't even fly from one place to
another without trouble. He can come here from other worlds
that are far far away and hundreds of light years away.

(01:00:49):
Why because he knows where you are. He knows how
to find you. Yeah, and he looks like you. And
that's the scary part.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
That's what the scripture tells us in Hebrews that I
that you know to be courteous to strangers, because some
of you have entertained angels unaware. It didn't even know,
it's unaware.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Yeah, that's what the Apostle Paul said. Apostle Paul said,
always be hospitable to all men, for some have entertained
angels unaware, meaning always be careful when you're talking to someone,
talking to another man. Because the gods who created us

(01:01:31):
created us to look like them, and therefore they could
still be here on the earth and they look like men. Yeah, well,
you made a mistake. The guy you were talking to yesterday,
it was not a regular man. You have no idea
who he is and where he's come from. And so

(01:01:53):
that's why there are certain people today that are extraordinarily
gifted and can do things we can't do. It was
white because they're not from here. They're not like you.
You just happen to look like them in your body form,
and you look like them. They look like you, but
it's not the same. You are not like them. Where

(01:02:14):
they've come from. They are. They present themselves to you,
and you see them as God, or you better see
them as God, because they're far superior to you, just
like the people then in the and the ancient Orient
when the Second World War, when America would fly in
all their big jets and all their big planes with

(01:02:35):
supplies and food and everything in the islands and Malaysia
and those islands in the US were setting up their forts,
and the people had never seen Americans. They've never seen
an airplane or a jet, those big bombers, they've never
seen that, and so they assume that these strange creatures

(01:02:58):
that kind of look like us a little bit. But
they come in on great spaceships and come here with
food and no, it's just the Americans.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Yeah. The technology is so far above their heads that
they think we're gods. Let them think where they want.
So we feed them a little cookies and bread and
give them some Yeah, we give them some trinkets and
some rings and jewelry, and they just think, well, we're
wonderful gods who have come here from another world. Well, yeah,

(01:03:30):
it's another world. We live in La it's not like Bordeo.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
But then again, you have on the other hand, I
know it's kind of controversial some of the other tribes
who when they see a white person they instinctively get scared.
And so this is the devil everywhere you go. You're
causing confusion, You're you're poisoning the water, you're polluting the air.
We can't drink the water. So there's these other tribes
away in the woods where they see a white person,

(01:03:56):
they think it's Satan himself.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Yeah, you know, yeah, but if I'm talking to him,
I said, yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
The cargo looks like it is interesting to the cargo.
Cargo is very uh interesting, and it's crazy that that.
I think there's a documentary out there. I don't know
if it's if it's real. Is that footage real or
is that a remake?

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
Uh, I'm not sure which one you're talking about. But
there's been many documentaries talking about the subject of the
gods that created us. Our God that created us looks
exactly like us, and and so it says that. And
the Genesis it says that God walked and talked with

(01:04:44):
Adam and the cool of the evening. Well, the word
walk and talk with is a word in Hebrew which
means that you hear footsteps on leaves and branches. So
when you can hear some the footsteps of leaves and branches,
you know somebody is there and somebody is behind you.

(01:05:07):
You may not be able to see them, but if
you're hearing branches break and leave smashing, you know somebody's
in the woods and they're watching you and they're following you.
So that's what the scripture says, that God walks and
talked with Adam in the cool of the evening. Well,
that's white because Adam could hear somebody is walking with us.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
So we have a question here. It's a question. I
guess it's a comment, but it kind of leads to
a question that says, uh, this is Carolyn talking. Let's see.
I think we have another person joining you there. Jordan, okay, Leo,
are you there?

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
No, now I can see you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Okay, cool. Maybe he'll have to call in again. I'm
trying to join somebody to the video chat. But so,
she says, one teacher opened my mind when she said
angels are energies, but when they come into physicality, they
can look like anything they want to. I guess it
kind of reminds me of when you said that prayer
when you knew that there was something out there watching

(01:06:10):
over you, but you said, please don't come to me
in the middle of the night as a little gray being. Right,
And they can change their shape, as I guess, at
will and appear however they want. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Well, we have that kind of technology ourselves nowadays were
the cutting edge of technology. We have recorders, digital recorders.
We can record the voices. It's absolutely flawlessly your voice
as your personality in that voice, but it's just a
digital recording. And then we are there's science right now

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that can replace body parts, you know, and so it
looks just like you, but it's not you. And so
we don't know what technology aliens have from another world.
If they've come from say one hundred thousand light years
away and another galaxy and another time space continuum, and

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they come here, we don't know what they are like,
We don't know what they can do. But you have
to assume logical I would assume that they're smarter than
you are. I mean, if they found you, you didn't
find them, and they came here, and they're smart enough
to get here and go home, you're not. So it's

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kind of a scary proposition where you start thinking about
what the Bible was saying about God because we look
like him.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Leo, you there?

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
I am Hello?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Hello, Hey, you got you on with Jordan?

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
Brother?

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Nice?

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
How you doing, Jordan?

Speaker 6 (01:07:52):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Nice? Nice to hear from you. That's where we're going
to tell.

Speaker 7 (01:07:56):
You the last time we all got together with Derek.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
What are we doing now? Do we lose him? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Do you have a question Leo or comment?

Speaker 7 (01:08:14):
I do?

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
I do?

Speaker 7 (01:08:14):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Perfect?

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
So Jordan, I've been I've been itching asking this question.
For a while, and it's a it's a pleasure to
have you live right now doing this. But I've been
doing some research into the Mazarath, and I was telling
Derek Mann, I'd really like for you to ask him
if he could clarify what the difference was between the

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Mazaroth and the mas a Lot, because from what I'm
hearing is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
That there's.

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
There's an understanding that the Mazarath were those who believed
in the astronomy, and the mas a Lot were those
who believed in astrology.

Speaker 7 (01:08:59):
And I'm just kind of trying to bring this all together.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
But from what understanding is there are those who believe
in astrology, of those who believe in astronomy, and there
there are Christians who believe in in the narrative that
the Bible has an unraveling story in the stars of
the coming of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 7 (01:09:20):
And that's what this this all means. We look to this,
we look to the.

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
Stars for signs of the times, and the coming of
the second atom was was that sign the sign that
Jesus Christ was to become the second atom?

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
But then there are well, let me let me talk
and play this. The word Manselroth appears in the Bible
and the Old Testament, and it appears in the oldest
book in the Bible. The single oldest book in the
Bible is Job. Job is the oldest book in all Bible.

(01:09:58):
Researchers and uuthorities will tell you that's the oldest book
in the Bible is Job. And in Job, the thirty
eighth chapter of Job number and thirty eight thirty one.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
One can say it again, thirty thirty eight thirty one.
Can you bind the chains of the sky? Can you
bring forth the Mazarath? Yes, that's correct. But what I
was going to say is that Mazaroth. All Bible commentaries,
all Bible dictionaries and encyclopedias will tell you. All of

(01:10:31):
them say the same thing. It's the Mazaroth is the zodiac.
And let me explain to you how this connects to
the the What am I trying to say? The Kingdom
of God. We hear about the Kingdom of God all
the time, and the Christians are working toward the Kingdom

(01:10:53):
of God. Well, first of all, you need to understand
what's being said with that term Kingdom of God. We
humans on the earth put all life forms into categories.
The fish are in schools, geese or in flocks, cattle
or in herds, dogs are in pacts. Lions are in pride,

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you know, and so and fish are in schools. So
we humans put animals and creatures into a into a
family life, and then we give them the terms as
either a school or a pack or whatever. Well, what
kind of creatures on the earth do we humans put

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into a kingdom? What kind of creatures do we humans
say are in a kingdom?

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
Yes, animals, the Book Gate.

Speaker 7 (01:11:49):
The Twelve Signs, the Twelve Apostles, the animal kingdom.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
I agree, yeah, But my point is we humans say
that animals are in a kingdom. Okay, animals are in
a kingdom and not birds animals. And the reason why
I'm saying that is because animals are in a kingdom

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and we are told to pray to God, our father
in heaven. That's a whole idea too that we need
to talk about. Why is God a father? Well, it's
because there's a reason why we call God the father.
But we say that we want God's kingdom to come
and to his will to be done on the earth

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as it is in heaven. So what you're saying is
that the kingdom is a kingdom of animals. Where do
you find animals. You find them in a zoo. So
this is where we get the word zodiac, our zodiac zo.
It comes from the word zoo looking up in a dictionary.

(01:12:57):
Zoo is where you find animals, and there's animals in
the zodiac. And so the kingdom in heaven is the zodiac.
It's the animal kingdom and the zoo or zodiac. And
so what you were doing when you pray the Our
Father prayer, you say, our Father in heaven, hell will

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be thy name. Let your kingdom come, and let your
will be done on the earth as it is in heaven. Well,
of course his will is in heaven. If we are
under Pisces, whether you like it or not, we're going
to have a pisc in age and whatever Pisces represents,

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that's what's going to happen, whether you like it or not.
And if we are if we happen to be living
under Taurus and the constellation of Taurus one of the
twelve signs of the zodiac, the for two one and
fifty years, the world is going to be living like Taurus.
So if you want to know what's going to happen
for the next two and fifty years study of strogy,

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and that's what you're going to live.

Speaker 7 (01:14:10):
And all the second kings twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Three fifty years say it again.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
Could you shine light on what second second King's twenty
three five means when he said that he came to
do away with the adulterous priests appointed by the kings
of Judah who burned incense on the high places of
the towns of Judah, on those around Jerusalem, and those
who burn incense to bail to the sun and the moon,
to the constellations and to the mas a Lot. My

(01:14:41):
original question, I was trying to get information on what
the difference between the Masa Roth and the mas a
Lot were.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
I heard that if I were you, If I were you,
I would go through the Jewish encyclopedia and look up
the two words and see what they have to say.
And then the man de palmer Hall has done a
couple of lectures on that subject of pattern. Yes, the

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pattern is very simple. The sun, the s u n
that comes up every morning. The sun is the basis
for your life. If there was the sun, you would
not be here to start with. There would not be
on earth with plants and animals and food. The earth

(01:15:30):
would not be here. It would be solid ice, miles
and miles thicked. So the whole idea is that the
sun represents life to humans and to the world of
mankind into the world of living things. The sun is
the reason why you're here. And if the sun does

(01:15:51):
not come up, that's what we say. Jesus is God's son.
Because the word Jesus comes from a Greek wordess s
o u s, and then from I E s h
u s. You can jopulate from that j E s
o u s, and then then we drop it in
Latin to j E.

Speaker 7 (01:16:11):
S u s or even Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:16:17):
Well that's that's the different figure in the Highest I
think that's what they're calling him when he came into Jerusalem,
Pusanna in the Highest Yashna.

Speaker 7 (01:16:27):
Could you Jordan? Could you expand?

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Well, I haven't finished yet. Let me finish. Soesies becomes
Jesus and Jesus is God's son. Well, you ask yourself
who owns the sun? Does Africa own it? Does Russia
own it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
Who owns the sun that comes up every morning? Well,
obviously you don't own it, and nobody on the earth
owns the sun, so theoretically we could say that God
owns the Sun is in heaven. So God's son is
in heaven with the Father, and so he has twelve helpers.

(01:17:05):
We're told he has twelve apostles. God's Son is the
light of the world. The Bible says Jesus is the
light of the world. So therefore God's Son is the
light of the world. Well, of course the Son is
the light of the world. What lights our world if
it's not the Son, And so if Jesus is God's son,

(01:17:27):
he has twelve followers. That's right, twelve months of the year,
the twelve signs of the zodiac, and consequently, the whole
Kingdom of God is astrology. But the Church does not
want you knowing that because it's a cult. The word
occult in people's mind is devil and demons and all

(01:17:48):
the dark stuff. No, the word occult is a Latin
word meaning hidden. So if you put your hand in
your pocket, by dictionary definition, your hand is now on
our cult hand because it's hidden. It doesn't mean it's
evil or bad. It just means anything which is hidden. Well,
let me tell you the one thing that's been hidden

(01:18:09):
more than anything else is the truth. And like the
movie says, I want the truth, you can't handle the truth.
The real truth is that God we understand is in
the stars, it's in the planets, it's in what we
call astrology. It's a whole world of knowledge has never

(01:18:29):
been properly given to the people to understand. But there's
now finally coming out, and there's now that making movies,
and now there's people like what Geia's coming out with
incredible spiritual, intellectual, superior lectures and teachings and what am

(01:18:51):
I trying to say, documentaries there's oh like eight thousand documentaries.
Are all the hidden wisdom of the world that GAIA
is now making available to the people of the world.
With all the top writers, speakers, teachers, astronauts, scientists, all
the most important people on the planet are now coming

(01:19:12):
to GIA and doing lectures on all of their work.
And so GIA is making it possible for people all
over the world to come to one place to hear
the best of the best from everybody. And so that's
what guya to Jordan. Yeah, my link to my website

(01:19:33):
is Jordan Maxwell's show Jordanmaxwellshow dot com. If you go
to Jordan Maxwell's show, you will see one of the
first things you see is me on Gya and I'm
I'm inviting people come with me to Gia. Come and
join Gia. And it's only twenty dollars for three months

(01:19:55):
of eight thousand, more than eight thousand documentaries of all
the peoples of the world that are that are talking
about every kind of subject. You can imagine what an
education it was like six bucks a month and so
and then I also have I also have a research

(01:20:16):
website on there. You can also join that too. The
two of them are give you everything, guy, as you
give them eight thousands of documentaries of all kinds of subjects.

Speaker 7 (01:20:29):
Say it again, do you plan to read to go
over the topics you used to cover like I used to.

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
I remember you used to talk about the skulls, Calvary,
gal Gotha, and the temple, the King, the Temple of Solomon.
And it would really it would be nice to really
hear you expand on how the cavalry or gal Gotha,
the cranium is just one big story, as in Plato's

(01:20:57):
Allegory of the Cave, It's just man's enlightenment coming out
of darkness into the light again, of understanding and wisdom.

Speaker 7 (01:21:07):
Have you ever had a chance to revisit that topic
and do you plan to expand on it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
Yes, As a matter of fact, I've done videos on
that subject and I'm going to be doing a lot
more now that I'm with Gaya, and you'll be able
to see them if you join Guya, you'll be able
to watch all of my videos along with the other
eight thousand videos that are already out there. And I'm
just amazed at the different people that they have been

(01:21:36):
able to find and get them to come here and
do their work and videotape everything they're doing, and it's
all there for anybody. So there's a whole world of
knowledge that people are just not aware of. And if
I get started on any one subject, just so convoluted.

(01:21:58):
The world we live in is so well connected behind
the scenes, your laws, your government, your banking, your military.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
Do you honestly think this is all going? I mean,
we are we heading towards some type of transhumanism? Are
we heading back to the stars? Where do you feel?
Where does Jordan Maxwell feel we are going?

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
And I think that we are going toward artificial intelligence
and that the human family as we know our fellow
humans on the earth, people on the Earth, ultimately we
are going to be transformed into a different kind of
life form on the Earth. We're no longer going to

(01:22:42):
have grandmothers and grandparents and marriage and all the ways
that we look at life today and we understand each
other's life. We all have fathers and mothers and children
and grandchildren, and we all have the reason ideas about life. Uh,
and this is what the human world is all about. Well,

(01:23:03):
I'm telling you what is coming is that we have
we have higher intelligences on this earth that see us
as an experiment, and now they're preparing us to go
into a whole different kind of human existence. We're no
longer going to be free to think and question anything.

(01:23:24):
They're they're connecting computers all over the world are being
connected with your brain. They're taking they're taking they're taking
tissue out of the brain and connecting them to diodes
and little high technology in computers so that the computer
will eventually be thinking like you and they could talk

(01:23:45):
with you, and then eventually it will take over your life.
So they don't have to pay you a large sum
of money to work for them. The computer will work
as long as there's electricity. So I see that human
family as it exists today is slowly but surely being
totally destroyed off the earth and preparation for a new

(01:24:10):
kind of civilization which is coming that has nothing to
do with anything you can imagine. It's referred to as
the New World Order, and it's as coming because of
the Age of Aquarius. And people say the Age of
Aquarius is going to be a wonderful time when the
world will be wash clean and there'll be freedom and

(01:24:31):
liberty and all kinds of wonderful things in the Age
of Aquarius. Well, I got news for you. You need
to go back and look at the Age of Aquarius
and look at the symbols and what the Age of
Aquarius is all about. It is not going to be pretty.
It's going to be a frightening time. And you need
to understand that the coming age is going to be
absolutely frightening in relation to what you call human. We

(01:24:57):
are going to be totally transformed out of being human. Yeah,
it's an incredible story of what Age of Aquarius really
actually means and what it's going to do to us.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Have to do a whole a whole episode just dedicated
to transhumanism and technology and hope you know the video
gamings and stuff, Halo.

Speaker 7 (01:25:24):
All that stuff, the Oculus Rift.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Oh yeah, yep, the gaming headsets and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
I appreciate you coming on hanging out with his brother.
We'll do it again, you know, we will do it.
Do it, We'll do it, We'll do it. I I
appreciate it. I'm definitely looking forward to some of the
old work coming back out again with fresh video, fresh
teaching on some of the old work where you can
actually go in and not just talk about the mass,

(01:25:52):
but sit there and break it down with scripture and context,
because I know you do that. Oh so well, I'm
ready for the new stuff to come.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
Yeah, and that's what I'm doing. I'm getting ready to
put a lot of new stuff out there, and I'm
putting it on my research society too. And but there's
only so much my my webman can do in eight
hours and in one day, and so he's always behind.
But but we're putting a lot of information on my
research society, so you need to join that also. Again.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Thank you, Yeah, I appreciate you, Jordan, Thank you so much.
For coming on. Man, we'll talk later, Jordan Maxwell, Ladies
and gentlemen, there the man.

Speaker 7 (01:26:37):
The man is a wealth of knowledge, just beautiful, beautiful insight.
Truly cherish him.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Yeah, anything you want, you want to add that that
you didn't that you wanted to kind of touch on.

Speaker 7 (01:26:55):
Yeah, I was really really just wanting him.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
To, uh experience difference between the Yeah, I really.

Speaker 7 (01:27:01):
Wanted him to.

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
And then there I saw a comment in there where
they were trying to find the verse Second Kings twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Yeah, I was. I was trying to find that when
my computer cut off.

Speaker 7 (01:27:12):
Man right, right, right.

Speaker 6 (01:27:14):
So the thing is that it's there's a translation a
discrepancy there, right, So if you translated in ancient I
think it's an ancient Hebrew, the term comes up as
mas a lot instead of starry instead of stars or constellation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
All right, And what is the descripture Second Kings?

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
You said, Second Kings twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Second Kings, Chapter twenty three d No, diverse.

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
It's just twenty three. I haven't pulled up right here,
twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
To five five Okay, okay, okay, I don't see mas
a lot there is it after that?

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
Yeah, if you look up planets under translation, it expands
on it by saying it's the signs of the zodiac,
the mas A loth or the mas A lot. And
the reason I'm bringing this up is and I was
hoping I can get some closure on this. But there's
these two narratives, right, Okay, he's approaching it from this

(01:28:29):
astro theological narrative. Well, where the stars are in essence,
these celestial divine bodies, right, And that's the astro theological right,
the twelve Apostles, the constellations, the houses. Jesus is the
rising and the setting of the sun, the sun of

(01:28:51):
the horizon.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
His horrors.

Speaker 7 (01:28:53):
I mean, you go on and on and on with
his knowledge that he shared.

Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
But then you have other people who think, well, historically
the Bible wants us to interpret the Bible.

Speaker 7 (01:29:04):
As signs and wonders and signs of the time. Yeah,
and you know, interpreting it as definite calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
That's our calendar. That's what that's what God put that
stuff there for. Yeah, to see the energies and all
the all the stuff that's going on, so that you
can prepare everything when you're gonna plant, Like literally, when
you're going to plant, what was right, even spiritually when
you're starting something by the new moons, like spiritually physically

(01:29:33):
everything goes by the moon and the sun and the planets.
And I mean that that's essentially the story that that
the scripture is telling. Definitely, And I get what you're saying,
is it is it uhlogical or is it just I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
I don't think it is. And that's where I can
have the conversation with Jordan or Santos. And I'm intrigued
by the astro theology because essentially it it is telling
his story, the story of Christ. This is I mean
the the magi, which is the wise man who followed

(01:30:09):
the stars, were the first to arrive at the birth
of Jesus. They knew where he was going to be born,
at the exact location by following his story written of
in the stars. So yeah, I mean all the Hebrews
everything was about the stars, like all the constellations and stuff.

(01:30:32):
They're all mentioned of in a good way as a calendar.
And I believe it. I believe it's telling his story.
And there's other there's other work. There's other work besides
some of these guys in astro theology that mean that
are that are that are teaching that? You know, you
could if you.

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
Interpret the Bible in an even in a different context.
We before the Gregorian calendar or even the Halil calendar,
which is the Jewish calendar, right that they've enacted for
so long, we used to read the times and the
months through something called avive, which was the reading of
the barley. And that's how a lot of uh, that's

(01:31:12):
how a lot of this was deciphered back then, is
is and also by the reading of the of the
of the moon. So the feast of trumpets was deciphered
as the time when Jesus was born.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Yeah, and everything was according to the feast.

Speaker 5 (01:31:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Even the Testament is.

Speaker 6 (01:31:29):
When you show below the trumpet the moon, the moon
slither above the barley. I mean, all of these had
these deep, rich meanings that a lot of people have
been disconnected to because I mean, we dogmatically read the Bible.
We only see it in a certain light, but we
don't read the historical contexts. So how do we really
know what's going on in the Bible.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
We don't.

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
Actually, we're disconnected from the historical narrative, you know, and
then we're being we're being fed this astro theological narrative,
which is beautiful. It should shines a lot of light
on it. But that's just one angle. There's so many angers.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Right down the middle, bro. And you know that with
all truths, You know that, with all information that it's
usually somewhere right down the middle. And that's why I
entertained both sides, you know. That's why we'll talk about
the astro theological aspect of it, and then we'll talk
about the history historical aspect or or or of Jesus
and in his life and the person that he was

(01:32:24):
and things like that, and how history relates to us
and how he's telling our story. And it's it's somewhere
right down the middle.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
You know, you can't say that the Western Church has
it figured out. Then you can't say that that, you know,
Jordan Maxwell has it all figured out. And I don't
want to talk down upon his work because it seems
like I'm doing that at the end of every showing
up some things.

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
But we've talked about this where it's like you can't
really completely discredit one work or the other. You really
need to be able to appreciate it holistically, to put
it all together to understand the history and the creation
and and and are where we've been and where we
have we are going as humans.

Speaker 7 (01:33:06):
And I appreciate his work. I've been following them for
so long.

Speaker 6 (01:33:10):
I just I just really hope that us as truth seekers,
we don't research so much material and and get stuck
in these theories and concept that that it becomes dogma.
We need to continually refreshing and continue spin to all
these different perspectives so that we don't get stuck in
dogma the way a church does. And I really in

(01:33:30):
that in that sense, I always want to be learning.
I always want to be open to everything. And is
the markable wise man to entertain something as as you know,
as truth? Right, I completely accepting it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
I was thinking the other day and and really like
honestly thinking, like why it's my podcast thriving right now?
Like why is my inbox littered with messages of people's
lives who have been changed by listening to these conversations
your voice right now, Leo, Like this conversation. Why are
people's lives being changed by us being open about this stuff?

(01:34:07):
And I've come to the realization I had a revelation
from it I felt like I was asking God, what
is it? And I felt like the Lord told me
there's a difference between the Jordan Maxwell's. There's a difference
between and the Lord showed me Michael Heiser, right, there's
a difference between me and Michael Heiser. And as far
as on the book smarts and applying the knowledge and

(01:34:28):
all that stuff, He's got me under the books right.
Everybody's needed, each part of the other bodies needed. But
sets what sets me apart from him and what and
from Jordan Maxwell is that we apply this stuff to
our lives and we're experiencing this stuff like this, this
is part of our spirituality, like this is real for us.
This isn't a theory. We're not sitting there debating doctrine.

(01:34:50):
We're like, we're wanting to know so we can go
out under the stars and make contact with God with
the Holy Spirit. We want to know this deep stuff
so that in prayer will know how to pray, will
know how to see results when we pray. All of
this stuff is applied to our spirituality and it's not
just theory for us anymore. Man and people. People are

(01:35:11):
resonated with that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:12):
To experience it because I was even talking to my
partner a while ago about how I just I feel
off sometimes I feel so affected by by things sometimes.
And I was telling her, what about this mercury retrograde?
What about on first we had this? You know this
this this this partial eclipse. You know what about Venus
that's in retrograde? You know, there's this can't just be

(01:35:35):
a concept where it's like, oh, it's in retrograde, nothing's happening.
There's definitely an effect that these solar bodies have on
our on our oric and mircabo and our energetic bodies,
and we're feeling it. And that's probably why we're feeling
the way we do sometimes. So I can't completely discredit
everything and and say no to it. I aggress I

(01:35:56):
agree with you completely. You know, we need to be
able to not just practice sit in theory, but we
also need to be able to walk the walk, not
just talk to talk. And and I agree with you,
Michael Heiser and all these theorists, uh, you know, they're
putting into their they're theorizing, they're having these cores and
they stop there. I want you to go out into nature.

(01:36:17):
I want to see you being affected by the elements
or the stars. I want to see you experiencing and
enacting what you know. I don't just want to hear
you be a voice, you know, to these theories.

Speaker 7 (01:36:30):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
And that's why I appreciate your work so much, Derek,
is because in everything you do, you're not just having
a podcast. You're not just talking. You're experiencing these things.
You know, when you talked about going out into nature
and trying psilocybin, the mother Teachers, you know, the Golden Teachers,
you know, going out into the stars and signaling ets
with your laser games. I mean, there's there's got to

(01:36:52):
be uh theory and there's got to be practice.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Yeah, yep. And and what we're doing is we're trying
to prove their theories. Man, that they're not doing I
think Jordan did years ago, though at least his story says,
you know, say he did, and those those stories are
what kind of won me over, you know, building and
you know, well he went out and made contact and things,
you know, those stories, But we don't we don't get
much of that. Maybe we will on Gaya. But I

(01:37:18):
watched the Gaya presentation and his first one that he
did with George Norri and it was it was very
similar to what we just We just hopefully, hopefully there's
a new vigor, like a new fervency for him to
kind of get that old material out that he can't
promote anymore. Many of you guys know that he went

(01:37:38):
into a lawsuit. We don't know the details, but someone
else has the rights to his work and I can't
promote his old work anymore, so he doesn't really he
can't really go into detail about it. So I think
with Gaya he's gonna begin to do that. But all
of that stuff, man, it's it's about before.

Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
You connected the video, I was really I was talking
about how like I really wanted him to go over
all of these concepts he had gone over long ago.
I mean you're talking about stuff like the twelve Negative Confessions, uh,
the Sun, the Moon, the twelve Step program, Good and Evil,
the Trivium, I mean all these all these different topics

(01:38:17):
and concepts, Skull the Skull and Golgatha, you know, the
mazar Masala. He resummarizes everything in the way he has
already done historically.

Speaker 7 (01:38:29):
And I agree with you with with what he did
on Guyamp. He's just reiterating everything he's already said.

Speaker 6 (01:38:36):
I really want things to be refreshed, rehashed, and expanded
on and then interrelated and interconnected with everything that's going
on presently in our.

Speaker 7 (01:38:46):
Life, you know, with this the thinning of the veil.

Speaker 6 (01:38:50):
You know, everybody in this day and age, even in
hip hop culture, it's talking about you know, spirituality and
consciousness and the stars and spirituality.

Speaker 7 (01:39:02):
And I really want him.

Speaker 6 (01:39:04):
And what do you expect. It's a it's a generational gap.
You can't expect someone to do everything. This is where
the rains have been passed to you people like exactly.
That's connected all exactly, and to bring it about and
refresh it in a very interesting lot the way you're
doing so. I can't expect him to do everything, but
it would be nice to really hear him start to

(01:39:24):
refresh and rehash all his theories and just just kind
of have you know, an update to it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Yeah, that's what That's what some people are saying in
the in the comments. You know that we're just picking
up the torch where he left off and kind of
running with it and bringing his work. And he may
never transition over to that way. It may it may
pick up with us. You never know, man, I hope,
I hope he uh he does. I hope we get
some more awesome work from Jordan. You know, I think

(01:39:49):
we will. But but it is up to us. And
it's not about just having a theory and and and
just sitting there talking about the Bible. See, that's what
Paul talked about in Corinthians. It talks about like how
these Pharisees and Sadducees would come with the it's just
the elegancy and the wisdom of words, and they knew
all the right words, and they're very well spoken and

(01:40:09):
trained in the universities and all that stuff. But Paul said,
I come with power and demonstration in the.

Speaker 7 (01:40:14):
Holy Ghost demonstration.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
That's so. So we're not just like a charismatic church
in the South where that's all they are is just
charismania and stuff that's going on. We kind of blend
the two. We try we try to balance the two
with the knowledge, with the information, with the studying as
well as the spirituality that goes along with it, so
we'll know how to act in the spirit realm, how

(01:40:40):
to interact with the energies, and and and we can
prove it, but then we do it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:45):
We do it, and your.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
Audience makes you accountable for everything you say. Do an experience.
So when you're out and about experiencing these things and
you're talking about them, it's interesting because your audience is
not just dead, it's alive. It's it's it's like iron
Sharpen's Iron. They're they're refining you as you help them

(01:41:08):
understand concepts, and it's and it's it's not a monologue
in the sense that it goes one way.

Speaker 7 (01:41:14):
It's a dialogue.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
It's it's dualistic in the sense that what I love
about this podcast is that you go to your audience
and say, what do you want?

Speaker 7 (01:41:22):
What do you guys think? Can we get questions?

Speaker 6 (01:41:25):
You guys can call in, So I mean, that's one
of the things I really want to emphasize to every
it's all twenty one viewers that are watching right now,
don't ever hesitate to call in. Please call in, leave
questions in the chat because in order for the concept,
the dialogue to continue and to be more rich in

(01:41:45):
understanding and to achieve more in the moment, we need
good questions from you guys. It's not just a monologue.
It's not just Derek telling you guys, one thing, interact
with him, take the take charge, don't be afraid to
call in.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Yeah. Man, it's it's so funny that I've been, you know,
reading these messages and hearing what people are saying, and
one thing that people are saying, and I understand, like
this podcast is helping a lot of unchurched believers, like
people who have faith in God. And they might even
call themselves believers. They believe in God, they believe in

(01:42:23):
in Jesus, but that may stop there. There's nothing else
with Christianity that resonates with them. But they have faith
in Christ, you know what I'm saying, a faith in
a higher power that they don't even care what you
call it. And so I understand that maybe this podcast
essentially it's church is the church for people who don't
go to church. It's because what the church is supposed

(01:42:44):
to be a community. It's not supposed to be something
that you just go and you watch a play. When
I quit going to church is when I felt like
I was going to watch a production and they give
me an itinerary and I read it. Okay, the offerings
coming next, Okay, there's gonna be a short skit. Okay,
next is gonna this And I was like, man, we've
just shown up to watch this stuff. And I was like, man,
this isn't organic, this isn't living and breathing of something

(01:43:07):
that we're supposed to be a part of. So I
wanted to make sure that what we're doing is something
that's thriving. And all the messages are saying. One thing
stood out too is say they love it. You know,
most people don't even like the guests that I have.
They just like when the guest leaves and then we
get to talk and I get to kind of share

(01:43:27):
some final thoughts and stuff. But from that point and
then when I go into prayer, a lot of people
saying that they're really touched by the prayers that I
do at the end of the show. And so I
want to make sure that after every show, even a
show that kind of gets wavy and I had Jordan
on some good stuff for a while, then it got
kind of negative and stuff. So but even though I
don't care where the show goes, I want to end

(01:43:47):
it on a note. I want to pray for people.
So I'm going to say a prayer and I'll let
you prayer blessing as well. Man, whatever you're feeling, and
I feel like that whatever we are going through, even
if we're dealing with some stuff, I think we can
address that in prayer that so that we can we
can see what other people are going through through similar things.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
So whatever you want to pray for, I'll let you
do that too. But I'll go ahead and pray. I've
been getting a lot of inboxes, man, for people struggling.
It's twenty eighteen. Man, it's not for us to face
this thing head on. It's not for us to live
our dreams and get the reach down deep and grab
those visions and breathe life into them. So we're going
to do that. And people who are struggling with addiction

(01:44:31):
and depression and lots of things. And there's some people
out there who say that they're struggling with entities and
demonic oppression that they feel like they can never be
free from. And I want to address that. We're going
to pray. So whatever you're feeling, whatever it's going through
your head, and you need some some you need some help,
we want to ask the help Her, which is the
Holy Spirit, for help. And I'm just going to pray

(01:44:53):
over you and we're gonna end the show out. I'll
pray then, Leo, you go ahead, Okay. Definitely a bunch
of people even in the chat right now, and and
all of you guys who are listening to all you
guys who are watching, this is for you, join with us.
I'm gonna say, Father, God, I thank you for your presence. God.
I think I'm thankful that you let us see another year,
and that you've blessed us and you've called us for

(01:45:14):
such a time as this. God, I'm asking you right
now just to move upon the audience and everybody listening
under the sound of my voice. Just stir within them God,
your spirit, the quickening of the Holy Spirit. Let them
feel that they're not alone, that you love them, and
that you've called them for a purpose and a reason. God,
and you have not forgotten about them. You have not

(01:45:36):
given up on anyone. You have long suffering God in
this woman. The scripture says that we're going through tribulation,
and we're going through through terror and all kinds of
stuff on the left and on the right. God, you
said that you are near to the broken hearted. So
I just speak to the broken hearted right now, those
who are who are distraught, I just pray for peace
right now to be sent right now. In Jesus' name,

(01:45:58):
I thank you for peace. God, I ask you to
move right now. Move upon them, God, from the top
of their heads to the souls in their feet. Break
up anything that's been stagnant, all that stagnant water. Get
it out of there. And you said that out of
there our belly shall flow rivers of living water. God,
I thank you for that. Right now. I claim it
over my friends right now, rivers of living water, newness
of life, all the old out the window, just to

(01:46:23):
release the old, breathing a new life for us. Holy Spirit,
we thank you for the life that you animate all
objects and you're dwelling with us. In Jesus name, I
thank you for peace, power and understanding. Spirit of confusion,
I bind you right now. People are being confused. They

(01:46:44):
don't know which way to go. They don't know which
way is up, down, left to right. They don't know.
They try to ask questions the people they see on
the internet and friends, and nobody knows which direction to go. God,
I'm asking for you to send peace right now in
a place of confusion. That Babylonian spirit be rebuked. In
Jesus Name, Peace, be still, quiet, stillness in the storm,

(01:47:07):
Jesus Mighty Name, Amen.

Speaker 6 (01:47:14):
Family, Father. I asked for encouragement. I asked for endurance
for this community. I asked us that you allow us
to be of like mindedness, of the same attitude of
mind towards each other as Christ had. I asked him,
the Father, that you allow us to walk on this

(01:47:37):
path towards You, towards enlightenment, towards abundance and encouragement. I
asked that you allow us to live in the fruits
of the spirit, humbleness, human humility, love towards each other.
I asked that twenty eighteen be just a beautiful, transformative
year for everyone, that they get their lives in order

(01:48:03):
that they accomplish their goals they need, Father, God, that
you give them the strength to find that light and
that encouragement and that new sense of direction in them,
so that they have the power to overcome whatever traps,
mental traps, whatever confusion, whatever roadblocks, whatever ethereal chords are
holding them back, that they break free from these chains

(01:48:25):
of stagnation, that you spark creativity in them, that you
awaken that fire inside of them, that kundalini that rises
to the throne, the holy seat and their pineal gland.
That their eyes just open up with clarity so that

(01:48:46):
they can see clearly what they need to do to
transform the world, transform themselves. And that you just continually
keep us grounded, Father God, because we know we're not grounded,
we're so easily pushed over by anything. And uh, that
you you just continually guide Derek Father in his work,

(01:49:08):
in his ministry and his studies and his truth seeking,
his podcasts, and that Father God, that you, uh you
continue to pour in these these supporters for him.

Speaker 7 (01:49:19):
In his mission, Father God.

Speaker 6 (01:49:22):
And also ask Father God about this, this this whole
civil war between between brothers, that you bring calm and
unity because right now, Father God, it seems like this confusion,
this vigilance is tearing apart the community, Father God, that
you open their eyes to see that we're all brothers,

(01:49:43):
we're all on the same journey. We're all facing the
same enemy here, and and that enemy is ignorance. That
enemy is darkness, and we need to fill it with
light with your life, Father God, so that we can
see clearly, so we can love others instead of judging,
instead of holding down, and so we can break through
these these shackles, these fetters of ignorance, as Plato says,

(01:50:06):
we can escape that cave of ignorance and enter into
a new light. Father God, we thank you, heavenly Father,
for everything you do. And we thank you Derek and
the community in your heavenly named father.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Blessings man, awesome praier Leo, thank you, brother, thank you
for the blessings.

Speaker 7 (01:50:24):
Man who.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
Good stuff, man, good stuff. This is what this is
what people have been waiting for. Man, Like there's people
who listen to this show and they're waiting for that part.
We got to take a step further. There's something else
that that's got to happen. There's something else that's got
to come. I'm just trying to get some materials together.
I don't know what it is I'm feeling. I don't

(01:50:50):
know if it's a school or just an online fellowship
that we have to come together. Because people have giftings,
people have talents and abilities that they need to hone
in on. They have questions that they want to ask
and not even in front of an audience, Like they
don't want audience I know I do private work and
stuff like that, but I'm talking about it as far
as community is concerned, Leo. So if the Lord gives

(01:51:13):
you anything, man, I'm feel in some type of school
of the Spirit, whether it's one night a week where
we come together and on zo. I don't even know
if it has to be broadcast live. I think it's
just a personal training thing that we need to do.
There's people I talk to who are impaths who deal
with spirits on a daily basis, and they don't know
how to interact with it. It's getting the best of them,

(01:51:34):
and we need we need to address this stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:51:35):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:51:36):
You know, I agree, and I feel like I agree
with you every every Historically in these podcasts and working
with you, I've noticed that there's so many gifted, smart
people with so much rich knowledge to share, and you know,
it's kind of just not being shared because you know,

(01:51:56):
they don't have a platform for their voice.

Speaker 7 (01:51:58):
They don't have a four the way you do.

Speaker 6 (01:52:01):
And I really do feel twenty eighteen should be a platform,
a forum to bring about the community, to have them
share their opinions and you being that what you being
that person that allows the community to speak out as well,
you know, equally like mindedness, you know, as as it says,

(01:52:22):
in one spirit, one mind in Christ. And I hope
that that opens up and I think I would definitely
join in on that.

Speaker 7 (01:52:32):
That's something I want to you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Carolyn Adam, Starced Bay, Chris and Nicole Bars, Christy Lee, Dano. Man,
we have so many people who are leaders in their
own right and then they're and some of those people
are stepping out testing the waters and they're learning, and
it's so awesome to see. Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:52:53):
Man, I'm getting these chills right now because Daniel, you know,
Dano's out there in the jungles right now on some
island looking for enlightenment and nature.

Speaker 7 (01:53:02):
Right now.

Speaker 6 (01:53:02):
Man, you're doing these podcasts twenty eighteen minutes to get
an amazing year. And I have a feeling you're gonna
you're gonna you're gonna break through some breakthrough a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:53:13):
There's gonna be some beautiful things that are about your
your movement.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
We have we have to we have to make a
community where people can test their gifts and see that.
That's what I was raised up in. We went to
meetings and home group meetings and sessions where people could
test their gifts, test out the prophetic giftings, and test
out being able to hear the voice of the Holy
Spirit and have confidence to speak it out. And people

(01:53:37):
being empathic, you're able to pick up on spirits and
what's on people and around people, and not just to
pick it up on it just for it to be
something cool, but to actually help them get through that
situation and what they're dealing with. So that's coming, ladies
and gentlemen. I want to thank everybody for hanging out
with us. We always got something cool here to bring
to the table and uh interesting podcast. Tonight, I'm gonna

(01:53:59):
have to piece this together because it was done in
like three parts, I think, and I know how to
I know how to fix that mess up. So I'm
a piece this together, see see what we can salvage
and make sure you guys support us. We will be
on here. Oh yeah, I gotta announce this. The stream
schedule is now on my website. If you've got to
truthseeker dot com, go to the top there's the YouTube

(01:54:22):
stream schedule. So as I get confirmations with guests who
are going to be on here, and even if we
do some other stuff, I'm putting the stream schedule on there,
and it's usually either at ten am Central or seven
pm Central. Uh those two times I kind of go
back and forth with people's schedule. So there's about five
or six shows that are up there. I got James
Gillilan coming back on. That's gonna be good. Bridget Nielsen's

(01:54:45):
coming on. She does a lot of stuff for Corey
Good and Star Children and stuff like that, so we
got some more interesting conversations, so you don't miss an episode.
You guys want to catch us live and get in
on the prayer and all that kind of stuff, go
check out the stream schedule and we'll try to keep
that update with every new email that I book with
uh with guests. So with that being said, if you
guys want to support the work as well, head on

(01:55:06):
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some people who's using that. We find out it is working.

(01:55:27):
Brett Stacey me and him been hanging out on that thing.
He's supporting me over here. So Patreon dot com backslash
truth Seeker you get unreleased music. There's a bunch of
new stuff there too. With that, I'm gonna say peace
and shalom and we will catch you guys on the
next broadcast. Peace so much, so much, so much.

Speaker 5 (01:55:53):
So much.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Well, that does it for this episode.

Speaker 5 (01:55:57):
Folks.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
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