The Lost UFO Manuscript Religion Hidden From You | Monk Yun Rou - UFOs and Aliens

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So the first part of the vision was me zooming
around the cosmics like a con bin, and there are
planets all over and they're all populated. And what I
was shown was this giant craft floating in space. Were
shaped like a like a king crab claw, asymmetrical long

(00:26):
thing miles long, and inside it were the assembled and
collected consciousnesses of all the humans on Earth. So billions
and billions of beings where consciousnesses intact or in the

(00:49):
ship I called a ship for lack of better term,
container floating around. When I was shown this a very
bad reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
To what's up, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Truthsika
and Aaron podcast. We're excited to be with you.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Today and delighted to be with you today. And today
we have an amazing guest, a monk of the Taoist religion.
It is a religion, right.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Go find out, but.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Lots of really cool things that he has going on.
He uh still practices that he has a temple, he
has a book, an amazing book out and he's going
to share some really cool experiences that led to the
writing of this amazing novel. And uh, we just want
to welcome today Monk un Row to the Truthika and

(01:43):
Aaron Podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Welcome, Welcome, thank you guys for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Tell us a little bit about you and how you
took your journey into becoming a monk.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I wrote a book called The Monk of Park Avenue,
which chronicles my that journey. But the short version is
I had a mother who was a philosophy major, and
she was a follower of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber,
a student of his, and so in our apartment in

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Manhattan when I was growing up in New York, she
had a library full of fantastic philosophy books. And for
whatever reason, while all my friends were watching TV and cartoons,
even when I was a little boy, I was perusing
those books. And I was very drawn to the Asian ones, Chinese, Japanese,

(02:38):
and of course you know, even now, after all these years,
I write explanations and interpretations and discourses on these philosophies.
And obviously as a little boy, I understood nothing of them.
I mean, they were right beyond me. But I felt

(03:00):
like there was something there for me, and so I
kept reading them even though I didn't understand them. And
then I had a series of experiences in the in
the jungles of South America, and at one point incarcerated
in Ecuador for defending a woman in the street against
drunken policemen, and I kind of made it. Didn't go well.

(03:25):
It's this story for another another time. But I ended
up in the clink there and bad things happened to
both of us, and I made a sort of a
deal with whatever I thought God was at that time.
You know, get us out of this alive, and I
will learn how to take care of myself better. And

(03:46):
next time I hit a guy who is going to
stay down instead of pop up and pull out his gun.
So I started martial arts forty six years ago and
I've been doing it ever since, and I have a
following the people now around the world. I had a
PBS TV show, so I had hundreds of millions of viewers.

(04:08):
So I've had a lot of students at this time,
and written some books based on Chinese philosophy. I think
I have twenty one or twenty two books out now,
and a few more that haven't yet been published, maybe thirty.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
In all, you have quite a catalog, and I'm really
interested in the book that we're discussing today.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, revelation.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, let me give you the backstory of it, because
it's unlike other things that I've written, although, of course,
you know, being me, I wove in my worldview as
authors tend to do.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
So.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Back in nineteen ninety I was working in Hollywood as
a screenwriter, or I was a novelist whose work was
being optioned regularly, and I was busy. I was, you know,
as my then manager commented, you know, I was the
dream of every bartender and West Hollywood, you know, because
I was selling stuff to the movies. And so I

(05:08):
was working with a very famous director I don't know
who was well known for having done a movie about
an ill fated ship, and he took a shine to
a nautical thriller that I had written. I guess he
didn't really realize that Titanic was, you know, his focus.

(05:29):
And so we worked on developing that and out of
that collaboration, at one point he said to me, hey,
have you ever thought about doing sci fi? And I said,
I don't know. You know, when I was a kid,
I read sci fi, and then I got beguiled by
Olkeene and fantasy. And when I was in college I

(05:50):
read the great Russian authors, you know, Dostoevsky and Telstoy
and Turgenev and all those guys, and I read them
in the original Russian and undergraduate, and that took had
a big influence on me. And then I became more
and more interested in magical realism and Garcia Marcus. Anyway,

(06:14):
so when you asked me about so I find, I
said that, and I know he said, oh, I think
you'd be good at it, and so I thought, well,
I'd write a side fine novel. I'm going to write
about UFOs because I've always wanted to see one, and
I just thought that the idea, the notion that we
are alone in this universe is the only you know,

(06:38):
intelligent species and the only inhabited planet is a preposterous notion,
and it's full of hubris, and you know, thinking we're
all that and you know, trillions of planets can't be true.
It's nonsense. So I'm that dedicated on that places. Back
in nineteen nineteen ninety, I went, I started to do

(06:58):
this book, and I thought, well, eventually I'm like a
movie out of it, and maybe I'll sell it to
this guy and maybe you know, it'll be a hardcover bestseller.
I'm oping, and so I spent two years working on it.
I went out to the tinfoil hat conferences, and I
came away feeling that the people who had claimed they

(07:19):
were abducted or had bad experiences, or not bad experiences,
any experiences. I was in no position to judge if
any of that was true. But I came away believing
that the people who talked about these things, they believed
what they were saying, and they believed that these things
had happened. And as I said, who was out of judge?

(07:40):
And you know Woodley Strieber and John Mack, who was
a Harvard psychiatrist who interviewed our ductees. Now these guys
either believed they had their own experience or believed the
people who did. So. I conflated alien arrival with human

(08:00):
evolution in this story, and the idea was that, you know,
they're they're waiting for the manic murder monkeys to become
something better. And you know, if they're intervening with our
nuclear programs is because you know, they don't want all
this garbage spreading out past this planet. But as soon

(08:22):
as they see that, you know we're becoming something else,
maybe they'll show up. So I wrote this story in
which sort of what is now termed indigo children are
born around the planet. I focus on one, you know,
very specially young girl, and and I take the equivalent
of you guys back back in nineteen ninety, which is,
you know, a radio talk show host. There were no

(08:44):
podcasts back then, and I have him the focus of revelation.
Something happens at the beginning of the book and he
encounters an extraterrestrial and so the book develops, you know,
towards the moment of revelation, which is you know, the
last page, and it builds up to how that can happen.

(09:08):
And it's a pretty cool take. And nobody else in
my knowledge has done that exact thing of evolution and
revelation together. So anyway, I spent two years writing that
book back in nineteen ninety, and I was very excited
about it. I thought it was pretty good. One morning,
I woke up and I turned on my computer and
I get on you know, computers were not so good

(09:30):
back then, and I get on the screen a message
it says bad discs. Just a black screen with two
words bad disc two years at work without pay, one

(09:50):
hundred and thirty four thousand words, six hundred manuscript pages gone,
blink of an eye, and I desperately took my computer
all over LA looking for somebody to help me. Some
smart ass said to me, you got friends in the FBI,
maybe they can help you. And I said, unfortunately, I

(10:12):
don't have any friends. And I had to accept that.
And I had a little backup drive and that was fried. Also,
I don't know what happened, you know, a brown out
of Power series something back then, you know, And I
had to accept that this book was gone. And it

(10:33):
was a horrible, ghastly experience. Now you know, I've missed
your backup. You know, I'm on the cloud. I got
a desk full of backup hard drives I got, you know,
everything pretty much can't happen to me anymore. But you know,
one time like that is enough. So in the ensuing years,

(10:54):
you know, I raised my son. I would tell them
bedtime stories at night about how I was an alien
it came to Earth in a bubble and I married
a human and you know he was half alien, and
I gave him stories from my alleged home planet and
tell him about the pink sky and the green ocean,
or the green green sky and the pink ocean, and
how you know, we hung upside down from branches and

(11:16):
slept at night upside down, you know, from trees. And
he grew up, you know, with all this stuff, and
he always wanted you know, I mentioned to you earlier
that he's a scientist now and he's interested in astrobiology,
is getting his PhD. I and I I always told
him about this book, but there was no book, you know.

(11:37):
I couldn't give it to him to read. And he
was always Dad, you know, you wrote all these great books,
and I love him, but the one I really wanted
to read is the one. I can't read them, like, Okay,
yeah you ain't. You ain't the only one. So twenty four,
so thirty five, thirty four years after this, my mom
passed away. In October twenty four. I went to help

(12:03):
my siblings clean out her place and we discovered in
the bottom of a closet a cardboard box with six
hundred printed manuscript pages and a note on the top
that said, Mom, please put this somewhere safe. I don't
trust computers. And I looked at it and I had,

(12:29):
you know, sort of some cognitive dissonance, if not aphasia,
I mean I was speechless. I mean gone for thirty five,
thirty four years, you know, and long since morned and buried.
And I looked at the box and I thought speechless.

(12:51):
So you know, of course I was worried that, you know,
it wouldn't be any good. That my memory of it
was it was just a young writer and maybe, you know,
I wouldn't think it was so good now. And I
read it on the airplane home, reading it on the
fulled out tray and from the seat in front of me,
and I thought, wow, whoever wrote this really had a
good imagination. It is a pretty great story, and okay,

(13:12):
it needs a little spiffing up. But you know, I
told my publisher about it. He went crazy. He said,
you know that story alone never minded the book is
so good, but that story is so cool, so we
have to promote it. So like, just like three or

(13:32):
four months after recovering the manuscript, I passed away for
the third time. I had this brain surgery and I
got out of the brain surgery and the recovery room
in the hospital in March at twenty five. I arrested
and they tried CPR and it didn't work, and they paddle.

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They shocked me four times, and I stayed dead, and
my wife and son were there and they said, we're sorry,
you know, we have to call it now, and he's gone,
and my son put up a fuss, and they shocked
me a couple more times, and here we are. And
so in the in the aftermath of that, I set

(14:15):
to work editing and getting this book ready for publication.
And that's why we're talking about it now back instead
of you know, thirty five years ago. So that's the tale.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Wow, So do you remember sending it to your mom?

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Or is this just like some supernatural.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah? That's wild. So you know, you can speculate as
people do. You know, there there was There's been a
lot to say about that. You know. One is that
I PTSD and I just you know, I just shut
out anything to do with this. It was just too painful,
like okay, And that's probably what happened, But I don't know,
you know, there's other explanations, and there may be maybe

(15:00):
people didn't somebody didn't want it coming out right then,
or maybe it wasn't the right time, you know, that
it might have been too lunatic fringe back then, whereas
now all anybody talks about it. I mean, it's all
over the news, Trump and Obama, everybody's talking about you Aliens,
and you've got Louis Alizondo and you got everybody, you know,

(15:20):
a whole media frenzy around this. So probably you know
this is a good time and it's it's delicious, you know,
it's really a fun story.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, I mean I see the connection, you know, with
the theme of the book, tying in contact or the
arrival to evolution. Whenever you're ready, like will appear like
we're here waiting, but wait till you're ready. And so
I can kind of see that scenario maybe coming from
somewhere else in your life. When you're ready, the book

(15:56):
will appear. When you're read, when a student is ready,
the teacher will appear kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
It's a very you know, I'm a Dallas monk, and
you know this is a very dallast idea that you know,
we live in a speed and grade. Give it to
me now culture. You know that you can if you
have enough money, you can buy anything, and you can
have anything and be anything and do anything. And you
know that that is not a Dallas view. You know,

(16:22):
the push push, work, work, forced things model of living
and understanding the universe is not is not in the
philosophy that I have spound has passed.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
You you mentioned earlier about a thousands being a religion,
and it is, but it's also you know, a life philosophy,
the way of interacting and looking at the world. And
you know, I came to it through martial arts eventually.
But tai Chi that that those words, of course they're

(17:01):
Chinese characters, are not words, but what they referred to
is a philosophical phenomenon. So in the Daoist cosmogony that
is the origin story of the universe, there isn't there
isn't the idea of a creator, but there is idea,
the idea that the system that exists in the universe

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has certain qualities and that it began in a sort
of genesis like way. When we talk about God creating
you know, the universe, the world out of the ether
or the cosmos out of the void. Rather, there is
a Daoist analog to that, and that is that there

(17:49):
was there was emptiness. And in my writings and teachings.
I referred to this as emptiness pregnant with infinite possibilities.
Nothing has happened yet, but everything is about too. And
so the idea that when things begin to self organize,

(18:16):
when they manifest, they manifest in not opposite, but complementary pairs,
light and dark, male and female, fast and slow, up
and down, and so on, summer and winter. The harmonious
interplay between these opposing or better complementary forces that dance

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is called taichi. The martial art that is based on
that is called the taichi fist taichi, which means fist.
I've always I admit to, you know, an initially childish
and then more mature fascination and love of the martial art.

(19:08):
But I've always been more interested in being a tai
chi master than a tai chi chuan master. In other words,
I wanted to make it my life, not just an exercise,
you know. So those themes are all through the revelation
and even the title that I picked for the book,
you know, pressages. What would happen thirty five years later?

(19:32):
I mean, who knew that there would be all this
stuff going on? There was not a hint of it
really back.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Then yeah, with.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
You know, you wanting to have a experience, if you
wanted you wanted to see a UFO, you know, in
those early days, the time since you begun writing the
book to now, like, I know you've done a ton
of research, but have you had personal experiences?

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Have you seen crafts?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Have you met uh people that that that seemed otherworldly?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
If you will, so.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I have to I have two things to say about this.
The first is small and the second is big. The
small one is that I was at Contact in the
Desert a few weeks ago and I listened to Chris
Ramsey and a few other people who were presenting. There

(20:34):
was sort of live podcast, and one of the one
of his co hosts, brought up the fact that one
of the largest living and oldest living creatures on Earth
is a fungus. You know, it lives under granite, and

(20:56):
there was some talk about whether it had intelligence, you know,
and so having been infected by this fungus that is
present year in the Southwest and is now rapidly expanding
across the country and in fact, in the face of
climate change, fungal infections are becoming more and more of

(21:19):
a problem worldwide because of increased moisture and the fungus
come out and it's they sporulate and you inhale them,
at least this one. So when I listened to this discussion,
I got in the line to ask a question. You know,
people stand up in the audience and they go and

(21:40):
they wait for their turn to ask the question. Because
I've talked a lot, in a lot of interviews about
the experience of dying from this disease and of having
you know, near death experiences and so on. But when
I never really talked about, which is addressed is the

(22:00):
question of the moment, I guess in some way is
does the presence of the fungus influence my thinking? Now?
Not does it influence my disability clearly, you know, challenging
me to walk to the mailbox when I had fallen down. Okay,
that's the fungus. Yuck, that's not good. But the things

(22:25):
that I'm interested in and the things that I focus on,
is the presence of the fungus in my brain somehow
subtly affecting that which would you know, include the resurrection
of the revelation so to speak. Right, So, does it
make me more interested in ets and in multi multiple

(22:48):
dimensions and so on. And you know, I don't know
that I have an answer for it, but it's a question.
The more significant answer to your question is this, I
passed away from a cardiac event back in twenty ten.
I had a heart attack and arrested in the hospital
and I was immediately revived, and I don't have you know,

(23:12):
there were crash cards and bang dang banged around me
right away. I don't really have any near death anything
to recount from that. I think it was just it
happened too quickly, so it wasn't long enough for me
to see you have a vision or anything. The most
recent time that I mentioned in March of twenty five, again,

(23:32):
I was in the hospital and they were on me,
you know, I mean, I was dead, but it was
just a matter of a few minutes. And maybe I
don't remember because it was a violent you know, being
shocked like that and having people jumping on your chest.
I don't know. It's not really conducive to a spiritual experience. However,

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the second time I passed away, which was in twenty
twenty one, I did not die from cardiac arrest. I
died well. I mean, of course, my heart stopped, but
that wasn't the cause. I had an infection which was
secondary to the fungus, and I became septic and I

(24:18):
had kidney failure and I died. I was at coma
for a while, days not weeks. During that coma, I
had a vision which has been the subject of a
few of my interviews because I was shown the future
of the human race. So before I tell you what

(24:42):
that is, I just want to clarify what I mean
by I was shown. The feeling was that I was
in the presence of an entity, and I would love
to tell you at the end of he was, you know,
the patriarch of the god of Taoism louds or the

(25:05):
Buddha or Jesus or Moses or something, but it wasn't.
And I don't know who or what that entity was,
but I can tell you that the quality the feeling
was like I was a philanthropist and I gave a

(25:28):
lot of money to a museum and I called up
one day and I said, hey, you know, this is
the monk. I'm the one that gave you five million bucks.
I'd like to come and have a tour. And so
the curator, you know, scrambles around and arranges a private
tour to show the fictitious philanthropist stuff that he thinks

(25:53):
I will want to see. So I think that this
I call this entity he who accompanied me, the curator,
just because of that analogy. You know, there's no there
was no museum, and there was no curator, but it's
just how I refer to.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I knew exactly what you wanted to I want to
show you.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, that's right, there's some stuff I want to show you.
So the first part of the vision was me zooming
around the cosmos like a comet bing bing bing, and
there are planets all over, and they're all populated, they're
all unhabited. There's just there's life everywhere everywhere. I did

(26:45):
not initially focus on that part, and remember this was
a few years before the book was resurrected. I focused
on the second part, which is being shown the future
of humankind. So remember this was twenty one and AI

(27:07):
was not you know, the first thing on everybody's lips
back then. And what I was shown was this giant
craft floating in space. It was shaped like a like

(27:28):
a king crab claw, asymmetrical long thing miles long and
inside it where the assembled and collected consciousness is of
all the humans on Earth, not organic in a I

(27:56):
guess you'd call it a digital format. So billions and
billions of beings where consciousness is intact. We're in the
ship I called a ship for lack of a better term,
container floating around. When I was shown this, I had

(28:23):
a very bad reaction to it. Now, never mind that
Kurtzweil and all these other people are seeing us as
evolving elon musk, and you know, first we're going to
have things in our heads. And you know, thousands of
years from now, there's not going to be any more corporeal.
There won't be any more organic life on Earth. It'll
all be may I. But I didn't have a good

(28:50):
reaction to this. I confess to an affection, despite the
monumental suffering of my recent life, I confess through an
affection for organic life. I have a house full of
rare turtles. I mentioned to you. I'm sitting looking out
at the mountains in Arizona with cacti and birds and

(29:11):
snakes and lizards and everything. Have a Lina combine coyotes,
and we have mountain lions and bobcats. You know, I
have a lifelong affection study zoology for a long time.
I have a lifelong affection for living things. And when
I was shown this in my vision, I had not

(29:36):
been talking at all. I'd been just watching and listening,
and the curator had not been talking. He'd just been
showing me stuff. When I saw this, I well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. I reacted negatively to this, say the least,
and that negative reaction got me so agitated that I

(29:57):
woke up out of the coma. So I guess that
part is good. But maybe what's not good is maybe
I'm misjudged whether or not this was a good or
bad thing, because, you know, thinking about it later, no bodies,

(30:20):
you know, no rapture, no great sex, no fantastic meals
and everything. But on the other hand, also no suffering
and no mortality, and so you know, maybe maybe I
jumped to the conclusion that this was bad. And I
guess the jury's still out on that. I'm kind of

(30:41):
writing a follow up now which attempts to address that question.
But whatever, you know, whatever reason I had, I reacted
badly and I woke up. So when you asked me,
you know, if I had any experiences, I think that
second death and the vision attending it. I can't say

(31:05):
still who or what that entity was, but it is
curious that so much of it had to do with
space and I had to do with you know, extraterrestrial
life everywhere, and had to do with the trajectory of
human existence. That I can't help but feel that there

(31:27):
might be some connection. Can I ask you.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
This the I'm just going to use the terms that
you used. So the ship that you saw, with all
of the somewhat digital stored up consciousness of the beings,
were they only the beings from Earth or were they
beings from all of the planets as well? Did you
get a sense of that?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
So you know, One of the reasons why I said
that I kind of wish that I had not had
such an overwhelming negative reaction is that maybe if I'd
stayed in the vision a little longer, I might have
had more questions answered. I did not to your question,

(32:13):
I don't have the impression that in that particular ship,
you know, it was a universe of beings, it was
just people. It was humans. But what comes up is
what about all the other sentient beings on Earth. And
you know, I've had other experiences with nature, and I'll

(32:37):
share one of them with you, which, you know, make
me realize that we are far, far, far far from
the only sentient beings on this planet, and maybe not
the most intelligent. And I have had one experience which
makes me believe maybe not the most intelligent. I'll tell
you what it is in the second. So for as

(33:00):
far as that ship goes, I just saw people, and
whether there were also you know, turtles and whales and chimps,
and I don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Well, I that's another shorey.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
That's Noah's art, Yeah, which is another which is another book,
you know.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
That, which is a UFO as well.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, exactly, So that the experience of that I allude
to is back in the mid nineties then I was
living in Santa Barbara, California. One day in the newspaper
they announced that there were blue whales sighted in the
Santa Barbara Channel, which is a body of water that
exists off the coast and is bordered by California Coast

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on one side and Channel Island Archipelago on the other.
They had a buddy, I got a fishing boat, and
I called him up and I said, hey, it was
a little Boston weather, like twenty five feet, you know,
And I said, can we go out and look for
the whales. I didn't fancy like going on a whale

(34:06):
watching boat with the thousand screaming people, you know. I
thought it might be fun to do that. So we
set out one morning and it was. It was an
incredible morning. It was early summer, and there was that
marine layer of fog over the ocean, and it was gray,
and there were bazillion seed birds. And as we headed out,

(34:27):
there were dolphins everywhere, including this white one called Rizzo's dolphin,
which looks like a little bluga whale with a bump.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Ad.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Anyway, we get near the islands and I see a
blue whale come up out of the water and I
started yelling. So he steers the boat towards the whale,
and there is a whaling. There is a whale watching
boat in the distance, and we try to stay away
from them. We go towards the whales and my buddy

(34:58):
is up on is what they called it in a tower,
you know. It's a little so he can fish from
up they can see dense the water. It's a structure
built up of the steering wheel. Anyway, he's up there,
and I feel a boat make a sort of a
weird motion, which is not the usual boat motion. And

(35:19):
I'm sitting in the back of the boat, a stirring
the boat. It's thirty inches out of the water. He's
in a little bit. And I look down and a
blue whale is swimming immediately under the boat. When I
say immediately, I mean if I stuck, if I leaned

(35:41):
over and stuck my arm and I could touch it
that close. This is one hundred foot whale, the largest
creature ever to live on planet Earth if you exclude
the fungus. And the boat is twenty five feet. So
you know, my buddy loses the blood out of his
face because, you know, one little shrug from that whale,

(36:02):
and we're over and I'm watching. And for some reason,
and I always tell when I tell this story, I
always recount this because it makes no sense at all.
I decide to count one, one thousand and two, one
thousand and three one to see how long it takes
for this whale to pass right under our boat. Took
seventeen seconds, which is a long time to be that

(36:25):
close to something that big, and at one point its
eye passes under the boat. And when its eye passes under,
the whale rolled on its side. And I am, now,
you know, thirty inches away my eye from the whale's eye,
and the whale's eyes like the size of a pizza,

(36:46):
of a large pizza. And in that eye it looks
like a galaxy of little stars, and all these little
specks is dark, and there's all these little points of
light in there. And it was a life changing experience,
just like the Koma vision was a life changing experience.

(37:07):
I immediately knew, not only are we not alone in being
higher intelligence unplanet Earth, we're probably not the smartest. I
think that brain of that whatever it is I'm looking
at in that eye totally transcends people. And I have
operated on that principle ever since. And the attendant idea

(37:34):
that even things like my little turtles that I'm trying
to say from extinction, all of them have consciousness. I'm
not arguing that turtles are as smart as people, but
the consciousness may not be a property of our brains.
It may be a universal property. And that we're more

(37:55):
like a receiver than a generator or like a radio.
We're an internet link.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, that's just that experience, and it makes me emotional.
I feel like I was there with you just hearing
you describe it, and.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah, you did a good job of that. Yeah, thank
you for taking us on that journey with you.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
We feel very similar the way that you do about
nature and animals and other beings on this planet, and
that you know a lot of people, I think categorize
animals and plants as like we're up here and they're
down here, and I do think we get it mixed
up sometime.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I've heard people say too recently with disclosure and stuff
like that coming out and different theories and possibilities from
a lot of different experiences out there, that some people
are scared of disclosure because it may make humans for
the first time have to deal with the fact that
we may not be the alpha predators on the planet,

(39:05):
and there may be an intelligence that is far superior,
far smarter, far more spiritual than us. And the idea
is whether they're good or bad kind of thing, and
so people whether they look like little green men or
they look like humans as well, but they're off world
visitors who are able to shape shift or whatever.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
These theories are, These star seeds, if.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
You will, have something within their DNA that allows them
to tap into these preter natural abilities, if you will.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
It scares a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I've been hearing these conversations go around, but I think
that the animal conversation is it needs to be said
because like I feel like we should only have done
to us, whether it's a good or bad aliens as
what as my teacher says, what you've done unto the
least of these will be done unto you. You So,

(40:01):
how you've treated them, It's how when big brother comes
into town, it's how he's going to treat.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
You, if you will.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
So this just this idea to like pull us away
from the pride and the ego and the arrogance to
humility and more possibilities of what if, Like what if
these animals are sentient? What if they can communicate? What
if they have family families? And what if they have friends?
And what if they have hobbies? And like you don't

(40:30):
know unless you ask them or unless you you know,
you're willing to go there with the imagination. And I
think for us anyway, and I do think it's connected.
I think the I think all consciousness is connected, whether
it's animals or whether it's et off world. I think that, uh,
I think that, you know, if we can appreciate the

(40:52):
least of these and we can have that beautiful, angelic
extraterrestrial moment with an animal into and you can just
like what you said was seemed otherworldly like, if you
can have that, then I think it welcomes the other
experiences as well. That's been, that's been, that's been my experience.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Yeah, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
So, you know, at the risk of without knowing your
religious spiritual beliefs beyond what you've said, and at the
risk of offending anybody listening, you know, I will say
that one of the motivating features to move me away
from the Western religions and Abrahamic faith and which I

(41:36):
grew up is this idea of hubris and the notion
that we're the top, even on this planet, never mind
in the universe, or that we're alone is so egomaniacal
in my view. I don't even understand how anyway, you know,
I when I awaken from that coma the first you know,

(42:01):
you mentioned the ego, and you know there's a long
history in the DAOs tradition and all religious traditions really
about that. But when I awakened from that coma, I
was weeping, and I was not weeping from the vision

(42:23):
of human future. I don't think hard to remember a
few years ago now, but I know that I've said
to my wife, I'm a wretch. And we have a
recording artist who's a close friend of the family, and
my wife called her and asked her to sing me
Amazing Grace. In those first few minutes I returned to

(42:45):
consciousness and she performed it for us on you know,
we had on the video on the phone, you know,
and I kept focusing on the word wretch, and for me,
the filter that I applied to it was that if
I were and I'm not, but if I were the

(43:09):
monk that I would like to tell you I am,
then maybe, in advance of all this disease and suffering
and unpleasantness, if some great master or high being came
to me and said, hey, you, you know, you've been

(43:30):
doing this for forty odds. You're closing in a half
century of this. You've climbed a thousand steps towards, you know,
out of the thousand and eight towards, you know, a
thousand doesn't have exactly enlightenment as as a concept. Actually,
that's not even a Buddhist concept that was attributed to

(43:50):
Buddhist masters by Westerners who met them. So, but the awakening,
whatever you want to call it, we have something like
that in Do you know you're only eight steps away
from having the consciousness and realization that you want and
you've been working for with tens of thousands of hours
of meditation and blah blah blah, only eight steps left.

(44:17):
But those eight are going to involve suffering and misery
beyond your wildest imagination. Literally, you cannot imagine how difficult
and how terrible they're going to be, meaning you know,
this terrible disease. If I had been told that, and

(44:38):
I realized this when I woke up, I would have
whimped out. I wouldn't have done it. I wish I
could tell you. I would say, bring it on, baby,
I just want to get to the top of the mountain.
I want to see it. But actually, and I said
I'm a wretch because I realized I'm a pussy, I

(44:59):
would say, yeah, I'm good. I'm good where I am.
You know, I'll keep meditating another twenty five years you know,
till I die, maybe I'll get there. I don't need
any shortcuts here, you know, thanks, but no thanks. And
you know, part of this, the vision, and part of
the sole experience has been realizing. And when I talked

(45:20):
to my master about this, he laughed at me and
he said, nobody would say. Nobody would look at you
know what you've had to go through and say they would,
you know, bring it on. No sane person would go
for that. And and I heard him. You know, I
listened to my teacher. I listened to what he says,
but I couldn't help feeling somewhere deep down and you know,

(45:41):
I feel like I was a little bit of a wimp.
So that's why I wanted to hear amazing grace, because
I wanted to hear what a wretch I am. You
know that face passed, but there's still part of me
that you know, there is no It's not that there's
no for ego. I mean, ego is a function of

(46:04):
mind and it helps us survive. I mean, if we
didn't have any ego in any sense of self, we
wouldn't eat, we wouldn't procreate, we wouldn't want shelter. I
mean so there has to be. It's a biological function
to have some of it. But you know, an out
of control ego that thinks that you know, a god

(46:24):
we we made up and that was borrowed from the
Babylonian pantheon them there's a thunder god. And you know,
thousands of years ago Jewish people thought, well, we're farmers,
so we want somebody to give us rain, you know,
for our crops for us to go from that two,

(46:49):
you know, we are all of this. Everything around us
is for us, and we can feed it as a toilet,
and we can destroy it, and we can rape and
pillage and murder every living thing for because some imaginary
deity told us we could do that. To me, that

(47:09):
just sounds like self gratifying, self justifying nonsense, and I
find it objectionable. And when I see the suffering and
the destruction of this planet and all these beings on it,
it breaks my heart. You know, I can't I can't
be part of that. Yeah, I feel better.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
If you you know, don't be the problem. Try to
be the solution, you know. And when it comes to evolution,
I think you can look at even just what you
you mentioned with the religion and how primitive a lot
of religion was, and how bloody a lot of religion was,

(47:54):
and how it's not perfect. I don't think any of
them are perfect. They still have flaws and uh, it's
still covered in blood. But I think they're a lot
less bloody, you know. I think that even like the
consciousness or the empathy of the people has been evolving.
It's not perfect. But we got to count the winds.
We gotta, you know, we have to look at human consciousness.

(48:15):
We have to look at Western consciousness and see how
far we've come, and not look at the bad ones
as if they're the majority. I feel like they are
the minority. We just like to kind of focus that
lens on them and the media and and you know,
we feel like it's a lot more of the evil.
But if we do look around and see how far
we've come in the last fifty years, and things that

(48:38):
were common to the generations before us sound barbaric to have,
you know, slavery and things like this, or treat women
this way, or these people we don't even consider you
human beings like this type. This was a part of
their consciousness. This is who they were. That seems so foreign.
I feel like we're so beyond a lot of that stuff.

(49:01):
And I think that, you know, twenty to fifty years
from now, will be able to look back on where
we are now and say, man, I can't believe fifty
years ago humans did this to other people and did
this to their wives or same sex attracted people, they
did one to them. They these kind of things, and
so we have to count the wins. I think that

(49:22):
is why disclosure is happening. I think that this is
why that. I think that with disclosure and being able
to see UFOs and all this kind of stuff, now
it's like rampant. I think they've always been there. I
think it's just our consciousness and our perception is our
antenna is now attuned to see and to ask those

(49:43):
bigger questions and to desire.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
The truth. And I think we're starting to get it.
I think we're kind of moving in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
So I thank you for counter counterbalancing money.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Because I believe you too. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I appreciate that optimism, and I guess on some level
I share it. I do, and I think I agree,
you know, as far as them having been here all along,
you know, during the process of researching the Revelation, the
novel we're talking about. I went out to the Hopie
Mesa and I wanted to see the rock paintings, you know,

(50:27):
carbon dated at a thousand years old or whatever that
showed things that looked like flying saucers with you know,
fishhead helmet guys coming out of them and a thousand
years old, Like, you know, what are those paintings? You've
got to be kidding me, How are you explaining that
they weren't made. They weren't not graffiti from some smart
ass kid from yesterday. They're dated, They're real, And I

(50:48):
looked at them and I saw them myself. I went
to see them. So I do agree with you about
that they've been around a long time. I also agree
with which is we got off on a tangent. But
I think one of the things that I read this
news story and I saw in a number of places,
and how true it is that I'm not in a

(51:09):
position to say that, you know, some spiritual leaders were
prepped or warned by our government to prepare their flocks
for revelation. And I do think that there is you know,
a sort of a fundamentalist objection to being told we're

(51:31):
not that special and we're not the only ones. Never
mind that, you know, in what I know of and
most respect in Western traditions is in the idea of
omnipent God would not preclude him making life on other planets,
doesn't you know, only have to be here? Now. You know,

(51:53):
I have orthodox friends or fundamentalist friends who don't don't
see it that way at all. But I agree with
you that certainly younger generation, your generation and even younger
people are and your your daughter's generation. I mean, I
think people are changing in that view, and I am

(52:14):
optimistic enough to believe that society will not crumble and
the world economy and the way we live everything will
not come to a cataclysmic close. Upon learning that you
know we're not alone and that these things are true,
I have, I have your I share your optimism and

(52:39):
faith in humankind that you know will will man up
and you know will rise to that occasion. And that
is an unfortunate phrase, but you know what I mean
that that you know we can deal with it and
accept it, and that some of us, and I know
I speak for myself anyway, you know, would be fantastically

(53:03):
delighted to be shown the extent to which life is
rapidant in the universe. You know, I can't think of
anything greater to find out, And I'm utterly unconcerned with
whether we are at the top or the bottom of that.
Maybe that's naive, but that's the way I feel better.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Well, us, probably the closest thing for our religion would
be Christianistic, So we don't we don't ascribe to the
Pentecostal faith as it's written in the books, but we
do follow Christ in this teachings. But he kind of
I feel like maybe was trying to prepare us for

(53:48):
this kind of thing, because he always taught like in
the Kingdom calm, this is the servant who's gonna wear
the crown, like the ones who serve the lesser and
the lowly and take care of the widow and the
orphans and be the hungry. And when you give water
to someone who's thirsty, you're doing it to me, like
you're serving me, the king of kings. Like I think

(54:09):
that he was trying to prepare people like, hey, you're
not all of that, Like you are here to love
and serve. That is what you're here for. And I
don't know, I just I feel like the teachings of
Christ and the way he lived his life in service
to others, if you really truly ascribe to that, you're

(54:30):
not trying to be the top of the food chain,
you know, like because he tells you that's the one
that is at the very top has the farthest to fall,
and that kind of stuff. So, and I think to
touch back on what you said about, you know, the
ego and the egomaniacs and the humans who just totally
blatantly disregard nature and disregard others who are less financially stable,

(54:57):
or less healthy, or too old to be full with anymore,
you know, whatever their egotistical mindset would be. Like, these
people are really close to blowing the world up with
nuclear bombs, right, they have a like I can just
picture a big red button on the desk and they're
getting ready to push it. Just somebody say something to

(55:17):
make them just quite mad enough and they'll push that button.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
But I hope and pray that there are these higher
ascended beings that are watching this. And sightings of UFOs
and sightings and activities and encounters tend to center around
and near nuclear sites. So With that in mind, I'm
thankful and I pray there are ascended beings kind of

(55:42):
watching this and you know, ready to do something if
the egotistical maniacs do push the red button, that they
can intervene and we won't be blown to smithereens, and
all of nature won't cease to exist and we won't
live in a lifeless wasteland. So it gives me hope
to think there's higher up beings out there watching us.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Well, it gives me hope to hear you talk this way,
so thank you for that. I will say that, you know,
I am very much in tune with the teachings that
you mentioned. I wasn't raised Christian, but if I focus
on those aspects of Western religion, and you know, I
find them in a number of faiths, that also gives
me some hope. I I will say that in that

(56:31):
was and there are so called three treasures. So I
suppose you could one way to think of it is
that the philosophy slash religion is built on a tripod,
and that tripod it is so called three treasures. And
the three treasures are compassion, which you could subseute love

(56:54):
for that compassion frugality you could substitute, you know, an
awareness of resources and not wasting, and humility, which speaks
very much to our conversation about are we the top
dogs or not? And I find those to be very

(57:15):
clean and simple ideas, and I share them, you know,
I have been sharing them with thousands of people now
for years, and they are very congruent with a lot
of the teachings that you refer to. I guess there

(57:36):
was something else, Oh yeah, you know. I think that
in every and I've written about this a lot over
the years. I think in every religious tradition, if you
trace it back to its origin, what you find is
that there was somebody, and the historicity, the the question

(58:01):
of whether these people really lived there and were as
described or not. Let's just set that aside, because it
isn't the important part. Somebody and this is true in
the Das tradition too, And there are many lineages in
the Das tradition, and my major lineage, this is true. Somebody,

(58:23):
you know, up their cork. It's just a phrase, you know,
at the top of the head came off and they
saw stuff that the rest of us don't. I just
saw how it really is because say to certainly say
it about Jesus, maybe say it about Moses, maybe said
about Mohammad. You know, I don't know. I'm not experts

(58:44):
in all these things. But we can say that the
origin of these faiths is that somebody has a direct experience,
and then, being a human being, they are urged to
share that experience. And you know, to me, the driving
emotion behind the desire to share a more accurate, larger scale,

(59:11):
compassionate view of the world is love, right, So I mean,
why else would you care what somebody else sees or
thinks or believes. So the desire to share that is
at the root of almost every faith. Somebody had an experience,
and then you know, maybe people living at that time,
you know, people listened at the foot of the Buddha

(59:34):
and wrote down what he said. People hundreds of years
later ascribed these teachings to Christ. I mean, you know,
I wasn't there for any of this, so I can
only speculate, you know, But what I can say is
that it universally unfolds that somebody has an experience and
they want to share what they've seen about how things
really are. And of course the problem is that the

(59:58):
people listening to them, I have not necessarily had that experience,
so they have to interpret what they hear. And you know,
in interpretation, you know, humanity creeps in and we get institutions,
and we get power plays, and we get hierarchies, and
we get you know, self aggrandizement of the people who
are spreading the word, and on and on and on.

(01:00:21):
But maybe you know, the fear that we won't be
able to rise to it when disclosure happens and we
realize that, you know, we are in a sea of
intelligent beings in the galaxy. Maybe you know, some very

(01:00:42):
strictly strict adherence to certain religions might might have some
problems with it. That's the majority of our kind won't.
And that's that's the wish, And that's what I wor
at the revelation about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah, I heard a number. This is a got first
heard by David Wilcock, who's now passed on. But David
Wilcox said talking about the evolution of humanity, and I
really like this that that the etis the benevolent beings
that are watching and overseeing this evolutionary process, that it

(01:01:18):
only would take fifty one percent of the population to
choose love, to become more empathetic, to become more open,
and I can I can tie a lot of this
back from personal experiences and also what I've seen around
the time of COVID, and how like COVID like brought

(01:01:41):
a lot of things out of people, allowed them to see.
We got to see what was really in people, whether
it was good or bad, like it came out if
it was compassion, if it was finger pointing and accusation,
like a lot of stuff came out. It was just
this point of time where we were pressed and we

(01:02:02):
got to see what was really in us and so
but but during that time, I think that we got
to see that there was a lot of room for improvement.
There was a lot of personal areas in our lives
that we can improve.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
If that if that's what we desired.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
But but it would take fifty one percent of humanity
to choose love until these beings would would take notice
and be able to come down and kind of show themselves.
And I kind of see that and this kind of
guiding the evolutionary process. And it's not when we talk

(01:02:39):
about the evolutionary process. And I don't know your exact
definition I've heard it described that it's a spiritual evolution,
but it wasn't just one thing. It was a political revolution,
it was scientific revolution. But these revolutions needed to rise

(01:03:01):
and we needed to we needed to evolve together. It
could because if the political structure became stronger than the
spiritual structure, then it's out of balance. If the spiritual
structure was above uh, the philosophy or the the other

(01:03:23):
areas that it, that it would counterbalance and that and
that the race or the planet wouldn't evolve properly. And
I feel like I feel like we're, uh, we're.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Neck and neck with a lot of that stuff. I
think we're right on time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
And I and and I do feel like that's why
a lot of people are seeing UFOs and it really
into this, this this topic the subject because they've had
experiences or they want to have experiences and and and
I say the reason I bring love and empathy and
all of that into it. I do think that's a requirement.
I think that's a requirement. I think that's there their

(01:04:00):
their their job is to kind of uh shepherd us
into through through life and through experiences and through visionary
journeys and through dreams and all of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
I think that we're, you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Know, to make us love each other more, to make
us love ourselves more, to make us love the animals more,
and and and and and if it starts with us,
then you know, we're we're one person in our household.
We can influence somebody. But the good news is that

(01:04:34):
it's not just us. The ego would say, it's just you.
You're the only one ready for this, You're the only
one doing the work. Good news is that there's a
couple of people probably on your street at this point,
doing the the inner work and asking the deeper questions.
And and I think that there's a light that emanates
from the planet that they're able to see, that they're

(01:04:55):
able to see and uh and and Earth is shining
bright through the star seeds and the indigos.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
I think people are seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
A few weeks ago, we had a house guest, a
very senior, very well known evolutionary biologist from an Ivy
League university, and he came and stayed with us for
a few days, and we were talking about all this,
and he actually gave me a blurb for the novel,

(01:05:28):
which we put on the cover. But he said that
to him, culture was a form of evolution that, you know,
and this is a guy who comes from a museum
full of skeletons and you know, preserved little boxes of

(01:05:51):
things from a million years ago in fossils, and a
very orthodox biological biology professor, you know, and he said
culture in the novel. Here's the cover, by the way,
I think it's a beautiful cover if you can see
all the little spaceships on the top. But I think

(01:06:14):
the artists did a great job with us in the novel,
which I hope everybody will please buy and read and enjoy.
I do make it a biological phenomena, but maybe exactly

(01:06:35):
to your point, the biggest thing that happens is not
arguably the biological occurrence which is happening to children around
the world, but the response to them and how what
happens to humanity and how it draws ets right. I

(01:06:57):
mean that in a way that's kind of more important
and bigger picture than whether they have the ability to
do this, that and the other thing. I don't want
to ruin the story, but you know, there's some there's
some fun things they can do, but I don't know
that that's really the most important thing. And if we
are able to accept that we can become something else,

(01:07:20):
then why why would we not be able to accept
that other beings have already done this in million years
before us.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
And I I choose to view this phenomenon, and I
believe disclosure is underway. I'm not sure that everybody in
my family agrees, but I believe it. I choose to
see my son, the scientist says, I cherry picked the data,

(01:07:52):
but you know, I choose to see that things are
unfolding and happening, and that we will we will, you
know again, use that phrase rise to the occasion that
the best of us will come out, not the worst.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Yeah. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
If people want to get a copy of the book,
where's the best place for them to go?

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
I mean, you know, it should be available in bookstores.
I mean, obviously the easiest thing for most people these
days is Amazon, and it's available in an electronic format.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
My only request beyond please please buy the Revelation by
you and row and read it and enjoy it is
if you do. When you do, please post a review
if you like the book, because it really helps a
lot these days. You know, books are not the major medium,
and people have a hard time finding time to concentrate

(01:08:49):
and read, and when they do, there's a million books
for them to choose from. And one of the things
they use to separate the week from the chaff is
if people like it and they read their views, and
if the reviews sound like they wanted it. So if you,
if you buy the book and read it, please please
write a little doesn't have to be or on piece,
just a few lines.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
So coming down the line, do you have any more
books planned? Any sequels in this same series with the Revelation?

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
So I have I have a follow up. It is
not a sequel in the sense that it's the same
characters in the same timeframe. It is it is a fantastical,
magical realism sci fi book set in a New York
of my imagination. I grew up in the in the city,
and it's not anything like it was when I was

(01:09:39):
a kid, but I draw on some of that and
it's called the Battle for New Amsterdam, and there are
I think it's an advanced, you know, more fully developed.
I mean, i'd like to think that the thirty six
years since I wrote The Revelation, you know, I've learned

(01:10:01):
a thing or two and you know, maybe I'm even
a better writer than I was back then. Boy. I
hope so. So. You know, it's still a few months away,
but that'll be a fun one too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Nice well, brother, thank you for coming on and sharing
your story with us, sharing your heart, your spirituality, your book,
and the story of how what seemed to had gotten
away came back to you when you when when I
say you were ready, when we were ready for it,
I think when the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
World was Yeah, you receive this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I very much appreciate the opportunity and nice to meet
you both, And thanks for the for the interview.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Thank you so much. Brother, We'll have to do it again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Thank you, thank you so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
For Hey, thank you so much for watching this episode.
I hope you enjoyed. I want you to know that
there is a video right here that you can You
can watch the video right by me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Click this now, No, don't click his video, click my video.
His video is probably about demons and dark stuff. Anyways,
mine's probably about angels and awesome stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
She has a point, So you decide the demon or
the angel.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
What do you go with

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