UFO Disclosure that Could Destroy Your Religion: Craig Walker on Christianity and Aliens

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Craig Walker Brother. Welcome to the Truth Seker Podcast. Man,

(05:22):
how are you?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
I'm very good, Thank you. I am very honored to
be here. I'm a massive fan myself. I've listened to
your podcast for many years and the fact that I'm
on it now is quite literally brilliantly.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's your time, brother, it's your time launching Nanting period.
So so what came first for you? The like Chicken
or the Egg, or the podcast or the music.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
It was the podcast for me. Honestly, what happened was
years it well, I was having my kind of awakening
and researching and into stuff, and I thought to myself,
I thought, we really need someone who has a podcast
you just like bridges the gap between Christianity and New
Age and and just really goes out there and just
just talked about this stuff. And I thought, I think

(06:05):
I should do this. And somebody messager said, obviously this
guy truth Seeker, and obviously I checked you out, and
I'm like, this is exactly what I was looking for.
So I just went from the beginning right the way through,
followed your journey and and I just every time you
release one, I'm there And.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Wow, now for sure, dude, like that's it right, You're
it's so cool how spirit works everything out. And so
how many you think you haven't listened to all the episodes?

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
There's over four hundred and something a.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Few years ago, and some of them quite long as,
particularly in the early days, weren't they. I mean, I
just I just went from I was hungry. I was
absolutely ravenously hungry for this stuff, you know, So I
just went and I was having you know, we like say,
researching sort of. I did go down the conspiracy route,
but but I think that led me to a place

(06:54):
of quite a lot of enlightenment with regards to sort
of extraterrestrials and government projects and things like that.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
And obviously you touched on all those subjects, you know,
so I was like, I was just lopping it all up.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, And obviously, for the most part, I try to
touch on those subjects from a good light, like you know,
what I'm saying, not versus like what's out there. From
a Christian perspective is be careful. It's it's they're gonna
get you. They're gonna abduct you, their demons and witchcraft
is bad and divination is bad, and it's hold on.
This guy's bringing it to the table. From a biblical perspective,

(07:29):
like telling us, wait, the Bible is full of these stuff,
these experiences, and it in a good light. We've never
heard that before, man, So I know that's where like,
that's what sets me apart, man. And and it's cool
that I've been able to kind of sprinkle you know
that those seeds on on on many people in their
research and encourage you, not let you know you're not marginalized,

(07:51):
you not by yourself. You said something on the talk
that we recently did with with doctor Charnell. You said
you felt like you were getting out out there at
times and get there's some pretty weird you know, heat,
deep water, but you're like, as long as I'm not
out further than to stick, I'm okay. Kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Exactly were you do? You know what I mean when
I say you were my canary? You know what they
used to do with canaries back in the day with
the mines, you know, And I just explain that, explain
that for people who don't know what people don't know, well,
basically back in the day in the in the minds.
I don't know if it was were in the States,
but certainly here in the UK used to take a
canary down because obviously there was toxic gases. So if

(08:29):
the canary died, they were like, oh there's gases, we
need to get out sort of thing. So it was
like how they measured the toxicity of the gas. So
I thought, if truth seekers here, I'm doing all right.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah he's still alive, he's still still it seems to
be functioning.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, But like I said, I just wanted to say, like,
you know, and you've got such a warm fatherly vibe
about you that you make this stuff safe. Like you say,
I mean, I've come from a Christian background and it's
very it was very fear based, and this stuff was
so out of bounds, and like I say, just want
to sort of honor you and just say thank you
for doing this because it's really helping a lot of

(09:06):
people and certainly helped me get over that fear and
just just listen to people, listen to people that we
don't understand or normally talk to. You know, you've really
bridged that gap.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So yeah, it was huge, man, huge, and it is huge, right,
It's big. It shouldn't be because it's so simple, you know,
but at least for us from a Christian background, it was.
And I wouldn't because that's our background. But there's obviously
other people who aren't Christians who are resonating with this
information too, even even the hard conversations like hey, I'm

(09:35):
not a Christian, but i'm this or I was scared
of that, and so let us come come to the table,
let us reason, and let us just share our stories
and something so simple was yet so profound.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
You know, exactly, and you just listen to people. You know.
I'm like that as well. I will talk to anybody
about this stuff. I don't care who you are, if
you're into this stuff, you know, you know. And since
I've started talking out, you know, I've had messages of
people and just wanted to tell me their story. I mean,
I've had people tell me I'm a super soldier, you know,

(10:07):
I've done this, that and the other, and I'm just like, Okay,
let's talk about it. You know. Yeah, are you going
to provide a safe place for them?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know? Yeah? In uh, you know, it doesn't mean
you're an expert, doesn't mean you understand or you have
the answers, but it's like, listen, I'll talk to you,
you know what I'm saying. And that's one thing that
you know, just people knowing that they're not alone. You
know what I'm saying. It's huge, huge, We've always heard that,
but we know the power behind it. So I guess
that's kind of like, let's frame your story a little bit,

(10:36):
your spiritual awakening again, guys, buckle up, We're going to
talk about it all Jesus UFOs, new Age, ets magic,
like music, all of it. So make sure you guys
buckle up. But we're going to set the framework just
to kind of know where your head is right where,
because you got to know where you came from in
order to know where you're going. So you mentioned coming
from a Christian background, Christian perspective, and with that, I'm

(11:00):
I'm assuming you kind of even with that guy into
Christian mysticism or at least some of the fringe guys
Ian Clayton Kirby, some of those guys who were kind
of like pioneers in a Christian new thought, if you will,
can you just kind of frame your story of like
where you came from with that aspect of even becoming
a Christian?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yeah, totally. I mean, I mean I was born into
a Christian home. My parents were weekly church goers. I
would obviously always go along Sunday school, did the whole
Christian thing, to the point where my education, my school
education from being three years old to sixteen was a
Christian education. It was a private Christian school I went to.
And I mean I was like so Christian, you know, really,

(11:44):
I was it. I was like God's number one man,
you know what I mean. I won Christian character awards
years on a trot on the trout at my school.
I was a really good boy, you know, the church goers,
and yeah, I mean, you can't get more Christian and
how I lived and how I was raised. So I

(12:05):
guess the question would be what happened. I was always
hungry for God. I was always hungry for more. I
always knew that that, you know, I was fully fledged
into the Christian thing in church, and I was thought, Oh,
the only thing God's ever going to do is do
the church. So I'm here. You know, this is why, etc.
You know, but my inner life wouldn't let that. I

(12:30):
just wouldn't settle. It would never settle as much as
I tried. And I was always fascinated with the supernatural,
you know, I love the supernatural aspect of Christianity. I
would see this gap between church life and like what
I read in the Bible, for example, and you know

(12:51):
all the healings and you know, Peter Shadow healing people
and all this kind of stuff, and I'm like, where
is this? Why don't we experience this now? So you know,
I started a lot of times in the faith movement.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
I used to listen to the Copelands and all that
kind of stuff, and that really helped me sort of
like learn about manifestation and things like that. And then
I jumped into mainly because I'm a musician. I do
play drums in a band called Endpa Sension. That's just
an aside, just because I was I was kind of
a child prodigy, and I take no, I can't take

(13:24):
credit for this. I was born with an ability to
play the drums. Wow, I just could, I could just
do it.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Who's your favorite drummer?

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Oh? Actually, no, my favorite of all time, I say,
have to be Mike Portnoy. He was in Great Dream
Theater for twenty five hours.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's left them now, but yeah, he's
like really inspiring. But I mean, obviously Neil Pierre and
Simon Phillips, just to name a few. Roger Taylor from
Queen was always a big influence as a kid because
I was a big Qui fan. But yeah, I mean
music is a massive part of my life and that's
something we can definitely talk about. But yeah, so, I

(14:07):
mean I used to play drums in church, you know,
I was like as a kid, as a little boy,
I mean I was up there with the worship group,
you know, so it was always like cool, this little
boy playing drums and stuff like this. And again I
can't don't feel like I can take credit for that
because it was just a natural ability. I could just
do it. But yeah, so because of that, this leads

(14:27):
me on to what I was saying. I really got
into morning Star because they and their worship was like
totally out there for his time, you know, it was
really piedeering something.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Did you hear my interview with Leonnard Jones years ago?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yes, I did a brilliant I love that guy. I mean,
what what a cool guy. You know. I love that
sort of Jesus movement and they sort of hipis and
all that sort of stuff. I think they get this
stuff that we talk about actually a lot of time,
which is really cool. So yeah, I mean I jumped
well into that, but think that led me into sort
of like they were having supernatural experiences. And I'll never

(15:04):
forget the first time I heard, you know, on the
Glory ced of Morning Star, the very last track where
they sang I want to hold your hand and the
cloud came in and everybody stopped, and it was just
like like goose bumps when I listened to it. You know,
even to this day, I could I still get.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
That, you know, just when you said it, I'm getting them.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
So yeah, yeah, yeah I did too. And and you know,
Christine Potter like just starts like praying some sort of
singing some song and what have you. And so I
was just like, what is this? Why does this happen?
And obviously like my mind's opening, like the possibilities. So
you know, I really honor my Christian past. I don't

(15:42):
I don't regret it in any way, shape or form.
Country to a lot you know a lot of people
who certainly deconstructed, they go, oh what a load of rubbish. No, no, no,
I really honor that, and I honor where I've come
from and and the these these great people. So yeah,
I was into money Star and that that helped me
with the music and Don Potter and all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Wed you reading the material of the books and stuff too.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, I mean I jumped in like we're both feet
with that. I've got all joined his books and obviously
the Final Quest and the call massive, massive books on me.
They're just really sort of you know, amazing at the
time and things like that. Yeah, so I read it all.
I mean, I was I was always interested in Christian doctrine,
you know, I read or joined his books on doctrine

(16:24):
and that really helped me. And I guess leading up
to two thousand and five, I was twenty years old
and I was into sort of like Todd Bentley and
that sort of movement, and I would sort of, you know,
Top Bentley come over to the UK and I would
go along and he was just wild. You know, it
was great. I load it, Yeah, exactly loads of stuff

(16:48):
going on there. And you know, Paul Keith Davis. I
love Paul Keith Davis and obviously Bob Jones and all
those people. Funnily enough, Seanell, who I'm friends with, was
in with all those people, and I didn't connect with
her then. You know, I didn't have any sort of
connection with that that I'm aware of anyway, certainly not

(17:09):
in the three D world, but obviously since connected with
her quite strongly since then. But yeah, in two thousand
and five, God said, well, actually I went to a
top Bentley conference, and obviously I believe inspired by God,
he came to me and you know the lines you
used to pray for people. And he came to me,
you went, you need to come to Canada, and I

(17:30):
was it and walked off. I was like, oh, okay,
you know. Anyway, I went home final, you know, and
then I completely forgot about that. A couple of weeks later,
my dad saw that Top Bentley was putting on a
conference in Canada. That was the February. It was the
following April, and my dad went, Craig, I don't know why,

(17:50):
but I feel we need to go to this. I
was like, and then it reminded me what Tom Bentley
had said. I was like, oh yeah, and I told him.
Bentley said to me to come to Canada. So longster
short with my dad and I flew over to Canada
and we went to this conference. What was it called
something about the supernatural I can't remember, and it was
Rick Joyner, it was John Paul Jackson obviously to Bentley.

(18:13):
Don Patter was doing the worship. So it was like
made for me, you know, and there was I was
the first time I ever saw something like that. I
barely believe my own eyes. I saw feathers, you know,
in front of like thousands of people. They're during the worship.
There was about thirty feathers just appeared in like above
the stage.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
They were just falling.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
They just they mopped, they morphed in front of our eyes.
It appeared right they didn't just because at first I thought, oh, no,
how embarrassing. There's like a pigeon coat in the airc
or something like that. And then when I looked and
I looked up, it was about there was about forty
foot high ceiling. It was a really high ceiling, and
about ten foot down. We were all just watching these feathers,

(18:57):
just just one after the other, and knew all different colors,
shape and sizes. And I've still got one to this day.
Well it's at my dad's house. A moment, dads, and
I was taller than most people, so I reached up
and I got it, you know, and I've kept it
and to this days I can remember seeing it. It's like,
did I really see that, you know, just morphing from nothing.

(19:19):
This was really satisfying this desire for kind of the supernatural.
And I was like, this is brilliant, this is what
I really really want. Anyway, at that conference, the conference
ended and we went to top of this church just
the night before we left to come home, and I
got a call. I was called out and I was

(19:42):
prophesied over that basically. I received a scroll basically, and
on the scroll was written Joel's Army, and it was
this whole Joel's Army thing about the youth, et cetera,
et cetera. And I believe it applies to what's going
on today. Again, we can talk about that in a bit.
And I mean I was absolutely like blown to pieces,

(20:05):
like just I could belly function, you know, I was
just like whoa, And you know, he was seeing angels
around me and all this kind of stuff and he
just prophesied destiny over me. So I came home from
from Canada like absolutely elated, Like what an experience. Now,
I'm so glad. I went, so glad We're paid the
money to fly over, et cetera. And I kid you not.
Two thousand and five April two thousand and five, my

(20:27):
feet hit the ground back in the UK in Manchester Airport.
My whole life fell apart. Everything I thought, I knew,
everything I thought, you know, I had a good Christian
girlfriend at the time that completely like went naf my work, everything,
my whole life fell apart. Is like everything went wrong.

(20:51):
I was like, what's going on? And then obviously i'd
hear like Rick Joyning and talk about when you receive
a word, you know there will always be there will
usually be a wilder And I mean I just went
right into the caves. I disappeared, and and you know,
I was like just seeking God, you know, God, what's
going on again? Coming forward? You know, I got I

(21:14):
got married, I met my wife who is now my wife.
We have two kids now they're just a ride if
you can hear them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. So,
so I did the family thing. I was working, but
I was always sort of seeking God, you know what
I mean. And I was hungry for more. But it
just seemed like the more I sought, the more trouble

(21:36):
that I came.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Across, you know, trouble as in how as in.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Like situations that were.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Outside your box or or like bad situations for.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
You, situations that were sort of like training basically were
preparing me for something and being prepared for something. So
I just.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
One second, okay, you're good.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah on the podcast, dear, yeah, come on sweet, Yeah,
I don't know what she just got back from the
arcade with with my wife anyway.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, so what was I saying, I've lost my trainer?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Just the trials in how you felt like we were
being prepared.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, and oh that was another thing in the
word I got. You know, when Tom Bentleys prophecigned over me,
he said to me, you're going to enter into a
season of training and preparation. So that really helped me
kind of understand what was going on, you know, Like
so I just disappeared on a sort of an external level,
you know, I got a family, and I did did

(22:49):
just did life, you know. And it was in twenty sixteen,
coming all the way forward. In all that time, I
was I was just you know, was.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
You when this when this, you know, always starting.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
I was twenty years old in two thousand and five
when I went to Canada, and I've had I've been
I was in the wilderness ever since, you know, I
was in this dark place of training. So I it
was twenty sixteen. Something happened and I can't put my
finger on what it was, but my mind was opened.

(23:25):
I was seeking God and something just went slammed and
I started to see the power of the universal Christ,
you know, and the true Gospel, and and then that
led me into seeing how Christianity has been manipulated throughout
the centuries, and the Bible and things like that, and
all the problems and the reasons why there's problems with

(23:47):
many of our beliefs, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
So you say, so, you say, you say something happened,
do you can you pinpoint it? Was it like a
bunch of stuff? Was it? Did you start listening to
other people outside of Christianity or was there something in
the scriptures that unfolded for you, like like what exactly happened?

Speaker 4 (24:07):
And what I would say was, well, what you were
saying before a few years before that, I suppose in
around twenty thirteen. I yeah, I'll tell you this. I
had an interview with Karina once and this is the
only person I've ever told this too publicly. But okay,
I'll say it now. You about twenty thirteen. You know,
regardless of where people are out on the issue, you know,

(24:28):
I've changed a lot since then. But when gay marriage
was legalized over here in the UK twenty thirteen, I
had an issue with it, don't judge whatever, And I
was just in prayer and I just said, God, you
know what's going on. You know, we're really uninfluential, We're
really losing this what's happening? And I heard the booming

(24:48):
in an audible voice say Christianity is dead and it's
me that's killed it.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
And obviously I was like, Jesus, how could you say
such a thing. You're wrong, you know, you can't say that.
You know what's your thing, you know, And that stuck
with me and it took a couple of years for
me to sort of really sinking. And in that time
I discovered like the likes of Company of Burning Hearts,
you know, just In Abraham left me like Ian Clayton,
and I started to hear the gospel in a different way,

(25:18):
but it was the mystical gospel and I really connected
with like the Celtic Saints. I have a deep love
of Celtic culture. You know, obviously I live in England
and I lived near Scotland and Ireland, et cetera, and
there's a big Celtic culture. It's probably in my DNA
as well. But yeah, I really connected with that. So
when when Justin, for example, we talked about the old

(25:39):
Celtic saints and stuff. I was really fascinated with that
and their stories and the stories of Patrick and Columba
and all those. So so that was that which led
me again, leads me up to twenty sixteen, when I
was having, you know, hearing these things and I was
loving sort of justin and in talking about going to heaven.
I never really did it. I didn't really understand it.

(26:00):
But I guess now that i'll look back and I've
never really thought about this before those few years leading
up to this, I was being made ready for something,
you know. So twenty sixteen and again I was in
a really sort of in a in a just a
longing place for more like I've just sort of was

(26:20):
the whole time, and I felt like finally my prayer
was being answered because I discovered the Mirror Bible. Okay,
have you ever read the Mirror?

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I have not, but but I've seen something on it.
This morning? Did you post something on your page?

Speaker 4 (26:37):
I can't post anything. I'm banned.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
That's so you didn't. That's so weird because I haven't
really heard of it until this morning. So there's a synchronicity.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
I'm going to look atity there. Long and short I
discovered the Mirror Bible, which is basically it's a guy
called Francois Detroit. I think if they pronounce it, it's
a South African guy who's who's not really he's not
He's not twisting Bible. He's accused a lot of twisting
the Bible and you know, getting it wrong. But actually
he's he goes he delves right into the original language

(27:08):
and presents it in an inclusive way, you know, with
the inclusive Gospel. It's amazing. It's a working progress. It's
not finished yet. And and and my mind just went kaboom.
You know, this is when I began to start. I
started to deconstruct from religious false religious beliefs. And actually

(27:32):
there was a time when Francois was coming over to
the UK and I just messaged him and I said, oh,
I'd love to meet you, you know, like I'd love
to hear you talk and.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
What have you.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
He's got loads of messages on YouTube. By the way,
he's brilliant. I love him to pieces. And he said,
he messaged me back saying I'm coming to you. I
was like, what, okay, okay. So I put on a
little event and to be brutally honest with me going
through this deconstruction. I was quite public about it. Like
in my mind, I was like, this is amazing, guys,
you know, listen to this, This is like the true gospel.

(28:02):
And I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I was.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
I was kind of hurt by the by the backlash.
I got like, oh no, no, that's heresy. You know,
Francois is a crazy guy and all this kind of stuff,
and I was just like, what, you know, I've never
felt love like this before, the inclusive love of God,
you know, in Christ. And I was I was getting

(28:24):
like just like wrecked on love and it was really
healing me in many ways. Anyway, Francois came over and
we had a meeting, and because I had so much backlash,
it wasn't actually a great turnout, but I kind of
felt that Francois came because of what was going on
with me and a small group of us. We were
all kind of going through this together, some of us

(28:45):
in the band and Assension, you like, I don't know,
if you know, my dad plays guitar and en Ascension
didn't I know, yeah, yeah, and my brother plays bass,
so it's kind of like a family affair. Yeah yeah,
and our singer Alan Francois and his wife Lydia stayed
with our singer Alan and and it was like having
Jesus hang out your house for a couple of days.

(29:06):
It was it was beautiful. You know, that guy carries
something definitely for this generation and it's I highly recommend him.
And I just feel like he came over and he
just imparted to us, like for two days, just constant,
living word, living word. It just flows out of him,
you know. So yeah, I highly recommend Francoisse work. So yeah,

(29:30):
that that that brought a lot of healing. And I
can't remember what year that was, but learning about the
universal Christ and that Christ is the all in all
and fills all things, that God is everywhere, et cetera,
that made me, it liberated me to go outside of

(29:51):
Christian christendom. You know. I just became so hungry for
truth and I was like, right, I found this out.
I want to know the truth, no matter what it is.
I want to know what's going on in the world.
And that led me to actually to Gaya, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
The streaming platform.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I just thought, you know,
I felt the pull basically, and I learned loads on
geya you know, and now I came across a cosmic
disclosure with David Wilcock.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah. Wilcock was huge for me too. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, and I discovered his work. So, I mean my
jaw dropped when I was listening to this stuff because
I was like, there was like in my head it
was like no, no, no, it's talking about demons, talking about demons.
But my heart was going like out my chest, like
this is this is talking, this is real, you know,
talking about the experiences and government projects, like I said before,
with extraterrestrials. And I made that connection that, you know,

(30:50):
because I've always been fascinated with angels and demons and
just unseen things. Yeah, I realized that they were talking
about the same thing, just with a different language. And
then and I realized, like so many different like movements
fall out because of language issues. You know, they can
be talking about the same thing, but they're using a

(31:12):
different terminology, and like, no, you're talking about demons because
you're not saying the same words as I am. Yes,
Like I presume you've had that as well.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Oh yeah, we continue to have it for sure.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, I mean you know. I know you notice your
new album is it called White Magic. Yeah, I'll be
getting that for sure. You know, just that alone would
trigger right.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I was scared because I know that people are going
to miss out on it because of the name. But
it's with the creativity. It's the definitions, you know what
I'm saying, Like, I want to do it, but I
know that it's going to it's gonna challenge a lot
of people, so I would hope that they don't miss
out because there's a lot of spirit field music in there,
you know, absolutely, and it looks more like a magical

(31:56):
you know, a magic like you know, occultic kind of thing.
But it's court just means hidden, you know, it's all
it is.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
As agree. These are other things I've learned as well,
is that you know, energy work and things like that,
Like Jesus was the ultimate energy work. Fact, everything he
did was was using what our energy systems, which is
Christ within, you know, and he would he would manifest
from this place of ascension and elevation. And I relate

(32:26):
this to what's happening today. You know, there are many
many people who are going through this ascension experience where
they are having like deconstruction and losing the religion. But
then I find a lot of people are going like
into no man's land, like well what now, nothing's trial,
like nothing's really real. And I'm like, no, dude, you

(32:47):
know there there is a truth out there. It's just
you know, we need to lose our illusions before we
learn the truth, you know. And so I see people
like ourselves as bridgemakers for these people. Look, you know,
come and listen to this, come and see this, come
and check this out. You know, there was a lot
out there to be discovered. So I guess that leads

(33:08):
me to where I am today. I discovering the universal
Christ and the Christ that fills all in all. I
began to recognize the Christ in others like I would
listen to New Age teachers and things like that, and
even Hindu gurus and Buddhist teachers and meditators and things
like that, and I realized that we're all talking about

(33:30):
the same thing. We're all tapping into that inner reality
which we call Christ. They might call it Chi or
whatever whatever they call it, this inner world UNDERLINI exactly.
I remember, you know CUMDERLINI. You know, people would share
that saying, oh, it's demons. Demons are making them fling around.
But if it was a church meeting, they'd be like, oh,

(33:51):
that's all right, that's the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Now they're getting more scrutiny now that that term is
more disgusting. There's videos on it now out like hardcore
like Baptist kind of people, or point at Bethel and
say Bethel is operating under the Cundalini. Like they would
say that that's not even the Holy Spirit, it's the Cundalini.
It's like, oh my god, you guys are so silly.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
I know, I know. And again that proves the language
issue that we're talking the same thing. If I say
the anointance of the Holy Spirit or Cundalini, we're talking
about the same thing. Come on, guys, grow up. You know.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well it's so I mean, you know, the terms in
the phrase is they they do have, you know, slightly
different meanings because like people work with that energy and
then they make you say doctrines behind it or ways
that we can interact with it. There's ways that you
can interact with cundalini that I've never heard that you
interact with the Holy Spirit. And so therefore, when you

(34:48):
say those terms when you start, when you start researching Kundalini,
you're gonna find different traditions, You're going to find different modalities,
different manifestations. And so for the Chris who's just you know,
the simplicity of the Holy Spirit, if you will, it
seems a little bit different. And so there's the fear that, hey,

(35:08):
you may get caught up in some weird doctrines that
we don't vouch for and we may think are demonic
or harmful that leads you away from Christ. But so
that that's the Christian that is afraid of that word,
right because it's a different it's a different spirit. But
the same could be said for Holy Spirit just using

(35:31):
that word, like how many churches are going to give
you different ways to interact with the Holy Spirit, different
limitations on just the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't
speak like that anymore. Brother. The Holy Spirit is only
here to convict you, you know. And so there's all
of these weird doctrines that still lead you astray in

(35:53):
your understanding and interaction with the precious Holy Spirit. So
it's the same. It doesn't matter that terminology, you know,
just by saying as long as we keep it biblical
because that word is in the Bible and people are
familiar with it, it's still it can still lead people
to John MacArthur, who says that listen, the gifts of

(36:14):
the Spirit are done away with. Jesus doesn't operate like
that anymore, and all of that kind of stuff, you know,
which is just as dangerous from a Christian perspective. I
would say, you know, we're trying to point fingers.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yep, No, I just just came to my mind. Then again,
you know, the Celtic Saints and the Celtic Christians used
to call the Holy Spirit of the wild goose. That's
not in the Bible, but that's how.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
You catch the wild goose exactly. And I caught it wow.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Exactly, you know, because that's how they related to to
to it, you know, And that's totally cool. That's totally fine.
And I'm sure the Holy Sir absolutely loves being called
the wild goose, you know what I mean, there's where
you get a wild goose chase, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
But do this is stay on there for a second.
I mean, because the Holy Spirit is not a name,
like we think that that's his name, like like people
even some of the charismatic movements have like said that
that's his name, they call him. You can't you have
to even take THEE out of it, because THEE is
like an object. Holy Spirit as a name is first name,

(37:16):
holy second name. Spirit as a friend or as a person,
and uh, you say, yeah, man, holy spirit's here, and
you know, Holy Spirit told me this a holy spirit,
that holy and they kind of try to personalize it
that way. But if the word just means a set
apart essence, something holy, something different, doesn't mean that that's
it's name that you have to address it by. It

(37:38):
is just means it's a sacred energy, a sacred essence,
a sacred breath, if you will. And so that's what
connects all of these things together. It's not the terminology
or the name. Because other translations say holy ghost, and
people are scared of that. There's this movement to say
he's not a ghost, the ghost is a disembodied spirit

(37:58):
of a deceased left relative or something. It's like, we
don't need to call them holy God. So there's this
weird doctrines on something that's probably shouldn't even be a
doctor behind anyway. You know what I'm saying, exactly.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yeah, So I just just thinking about it then as well,
I say that the language barrier has been a real problem.
So when I've gone into sort of what would the
classes new age circles, I don't like calling it new age.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
So I don't like it because the Christians use that
as a bad word.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, And I know I appreciate, you know, some people
you associate with coined the next stage school. But I
just I just think I have learned so much because
I don't claim to be an expert at all. I've
gone into new age circles and I've just listened to
them like you do. And I have learned so much

(38:51):
through just engaging them and what they have to offer.
And it doesn't contradict the vibe, It doesn't contradict. It
might contradicts are understanding of the Bible. Yeah, it doesn't
contradict the Christian message. In fact, in many ways, they're
doing the stuff a lot more than Christians are.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
And that's what that was a big part of my awakening,
just seeing, you know, it is the universal Christ because
hold on, how would these people bearing fruit? And that's
what I started judging people by. I started judging myself
by you know, things that I'm watching. What is the
fruit that comes from this? And so that could come
from you know, a new age teaching or new age

(39:34):
music or whatever spiritual music. It's like, what is the
How does this music make me feel? It makes me
feel more connected to people, it makes me feel more
connected to nature. There's no Christian music that does that.
It makes me Christian music makes me feel more connected
to Christ, for sure, but what about connected to everyone
else as an extension of me, as to being part

(39:56):
of the body of Christ even, you know. And so
just judging the fruit, and I just started to judge
everything by the fruit. And I started, you know, paying
attention to you know, people in the spiritual movements and
stuff like that, or people even different denominations of Christianity,
which was huge, you know, and starting to see fruit
in these people's lives, and I had to judge it.

(40:17):
I say, yeah, this is good fruit. This is peace, joy, patience, love, kindness,
all indicators that this person is spending time with the
Holy Spirit, because those are the fruits of this spirit.
That this stuff will naturally come out of your life.
And I started seeing that in others and I wasn't

(40:38):
seeing it in Christians. I was seeing it in Hindus,
and I was seeing it in people into eufology, you
know what I'm saying. But I wasn't seeing it in
certain Christians. And so those certain Christians got that pass
because they called themselves Christians and they used the Bible,
but they had no fruit in their lives. They may

(40:59):
be racist, judgmental, big at it, hateful, but they get
a pass because they're one of us. No exactly, I'm
judging by the fruit, and that person is one of me.
The person that you've said that that Christ isn't in
them and he's not dealing with them because they haven't,
you know, said this prayer. And so that revolutionized things

(41:21):
for me and and started seeing the universal Christ Christ
in everything and everyone who has redeemed the entire cosmoson to.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Himself exactly exactly. And I mean I was in meditation
good few years ago now, and you know when you
just get like a sentence dropped in and it's like
I'm still unpacked. I just heard once the cosmos is
contained within human DNA, just that, and it was just

(41:51):
you know, I was just like WHOA. And I'm still
like whoa about it.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
You know.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
It's like, because I've been learning need to go within
and when you go with it and you can go out.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly so and I realized that
that this is why it's so important that, you know,
the fullness of what we call God had to incarnate
as a human.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
But again with that doc trinally, you know, we I mean,
I've got Mike tread on some toes here.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
We just have so many questions and it's okay to question.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly why I have. I
have more questions than I have answered, and that's okay,
you know. So, I mean I think just a neighborhand
said once that's an invitation into mystery, you know, just
just go with it. And I just like I love that,
you know, the Christian culture that we had, that we
worshiped Jesus as some superior god. He is one of us,

(42:50):
you know. I don't go to the shop and worship
this person behind the counter, you know, and they're just
as w' war one. And that was Jesus' message. And
I was just like this whole worship culture and I'm
not about like, don't put this a way. The way
I see worship going and music and things, it's coming
from a place of union, from a place of being

(43:12):
seated together with Christ and manifesting moving into the world
from this place of higher consciousness. I think that's that's
how music is going to move in, you know, in
the in the well now, I think you're we're tapping
into that, you know what I mean. And rather than
being from the earth going into heaven and meeting God,

(43:34):
we're actually wordy in that place, and we're moving into
the earth from that place, and we're expressing ourselves with music,
with sounds, with words, poetry, et cetera. And we're bringing
Heaven to the earth through our art and our music,
et cetera.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
And just how God brought heaven to earth is through creativity.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Co creators. This is it. You know, we are co included,
co creators with God. That's our purpose as a species.
And I think many people are doing that without even
knowing it. I mean, I think about Elon Musk, and
I don't know what I think about the guy, to
be honest with you, but he's doing some stuff that
he could really benefit humanity in a massive way. I mean,
I really believe we're going into stellar I believe that

(44:16):
as a species, we should be occupying at least two
other planets, That's my opinion, And that we had the technologies,
you know, wormhole technologies, portal technologies, that we can just
go to Mars like that, you know. I don't know,
have you ever heard of this. I've mentioned this before
in other interviews, But the whistleblower he had a fake name,

(44:38):
Henry Deacon, but he was really called Arthur Newman.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Have you ever heard of him? Not particularly? But was
it like a time traveler kind of thing or no, it.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Was, well, it was a it worked. It was American,
but he worked here in the UK, a military base.
I don't know which one it was. I think it
was somewhere down down south towards London Way. And he
basically said, look, I would go to work in the morning.
I'd walk down this corridor from this this military base
in the UK, and I've come out the other side

(45:07):
and i was on Mars, and I'd go and work
for the day, doing my work, and then i'd come
home and i'd go home for tea, you know, And
I was just like, sorry, what you.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Know, it's kind of like Corey Good kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yeah, yeah, it was it was Kerry Cassidy that actually
got this guy to come forward, and he did a
few he's disappeared again now he did a few Jumber
Bob Dean. Did you want to hear Bob Dean? He
did some some conferences with Bob Dean and Kerry Cassidy
and this they're on YouTube if people want to watch him.

(45:40):
You know, amazing amazing information, you know, and these things
just they just opened my mind, you know, just the possibilities,
you know. So again, this is this is the journey
I've been on. And I look at myself now and
I think if ten years ago I could look at
me now, I'd be like, I have lost the law, you.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
That's a good thing. It shows we're growing, you know,
because if we stay from teen I know people that
you know, we've been going to church and doing the
same things for like fifty sixty years and have never changed.
I'm like, what's it with that?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, you know, and it works for him. You got
to find what's working.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Well, that's all true.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, it's that simplicity. It's that you know, this is
the way things are and I'm okay with it, you know,
and like whatever's helping people, and if that's helping people,
I'm for it, you know, I would. I would never
you know, shape them and Christ is in all and
through all. You need to need to see it like me.
There's a reason you can't see it like me. You
haven't been through what I've been through. You haven't seen

(46:40):
what I've seen. But but God, God can awaken you.
And that and that is, you know, a deep mystery
that I think we all should see, right, I mean,
obviously I think it is available for everybody, but we
get to it through different ways. Sometimes they're very similar.
I think awakening. The planet's going through a global of
way and Christians are going through an awakening. But yeah,

(47:03):
being able to see that that Christ, I don't know.
Did you listen to you know. I'm a big Manly
pee Hoff fan, and he had he has that book,
The Way of the Lonely Ones, and he there's some
original stories in there. But he wrote original story on
the face of Christ. And it was just about this
mystic who had an encounter with Christ in the woods

(47:26):
and he met a hermit that he he drunken a
magic elixir and then he can see Christ then everything
and he was almost like plagued by his Savior because
he would look into the water and the reflections, he
would see Christ. He would look at the trees, and
the trees he would see the face of his Savior.
He'd look into the clouds and into the bugs, and
every way he looked, he would see his Savior. And

(47:49):
it was like this universal mystery that that plagued them.
And then he's, uh, you know, was trying to recapture
it and stuff and just this beauty to be able
to see God or Christ in everything. And it's almost
like it is a mystical experience to train yourself to

(48:10):
look at something long enough until you see it. You know,
like everything exists, good and the bad, in everything, in
you and in me, in Christianity and the New Age
and the Gospel. Listen, there's good and bad and you
get to hold on and see what you want. And
if you're an alchemist, you know, just you can extract

(48:32):
it out of it, and you can pull something out
of that. And Jesus was able to do that. Man,
that's why he's so beautiful. He was able to go
to broken people and see him whole. He would be
able to see a version of them that existed without
that ailment, a version of them that existed without the
shame and the guilt and the condemnation. And he was
able to pull it out of them so much so
that he embodied that and he became that part of

(48:55):
them that they hated. He became that part of them
that other people hated and despise. So listen, I become
your sin just so you can be free. And I'm
gonna show you. I'm gonna embody it. It's no more
you are sin free. And so like, that's the reason,
like the message of the Gospel is so powerful, man,
because he was able to alchemize sin, bro the parts

(49:16):
of us that we hate about ourselves, the part of
us that deserves to be judged, like he became that.
That message is so liberating. And it's not just for
church people. It is to explore the depths and to
be able to see Him in all of it. Man.
And there's nothing more mystical to me than that. Listen,
I love it all, you know, I do. I love mushrooms,

(49:36):
I love aliens and ets and angels and frequencies and
all because he is in it all. I've trained myself
to see Him in it all, because He is every
Every good and perfect gift comes from the Father above.
If it's good, it's God, you know. So when we
that is a that is a mystery. That is you know,
the essence of being a seeker of Christ or speaker

(50:00):
of God man as the seeker of that which is
good mhm.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Brilliantly said. And it just got me thinking when you
were talking there, you know, because I've put a Facebook
post out a while ago when I wasn't banned, just saying, look,
I found more true friendship, camaraderie and heartfelt connection with
people in the new so called New Age movement than

(50:24):
I ever did in my history in church. There was
always like an unspoken condition that you had to agree
on everything in church and if you questioned or don't
associate with them coming down a bad path. You know
what I mean. It's all fear based. I found with
you know, talking just talking to people in the New Age.

(50:48):
I don't like that, but you know what I'm talking about. Community, Yeah,
spiritual communities. I was nervous at first about saying where
I'd come from and I believe and stuff and I
absolutely do not go and and evangel try and evangelize
them and make them think like me, I'm there to learn.

(51:11):
But I mean I kind of said, you know, I've
come from a Christian you know, I believe in Jesus,
and you know what I find like, we totally love Jesus.
Jesus is awesome. You know, He's a great guy. And
some of them may say, yeah, he's an ascended master
or whatever, or he is, he's my ascended Master, and uh.
And I felt so accepted and so sort of like

(51:36):
just like what I always wanted, what I always felt
church should be, you know, and and it really wasn't.
And I know that there is rising up now, there
are movements. I mean, I like say, I look at
Kingdom Talks and things like that, and people like yourself
who are really tapping into this. So you just feel
safe around these, you know, just to be yourself and
keep your truth. And that's really encouraging to me that

(51:59):
there are Christians getting it, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, And that's one of the things too, because you know,
we gotta you know, you know, we have to say
those names and let people know that there are people
who are christ occentric christ centered teachers who were you know,
really good at what they do of challenging the status
quo and embracing the mystery, and they're still Christ is

(52:21):
the foundation. You know, the Gospel is the foundation. And
they have a beautiful revelation of the Gospel. So just
so people know that you don't have to leave your faith,
you know, that's my big thing is like listen, take
Christ with you. Like you know, the reason I've been
able to be out there in deep water and have
my head above water and not drown is because He
is my floatation device. Like Christ is is my life

(52:44):
pres r. He is a life preserver. And so you know,
He is the foundation. Anything that's built upon that foundation,
which is the foundation of love, everything is going to
be shaken. It's just the scripture says it. But anything
that is built upon that foundation will stand. And so
you know, the lot of seekers, a lot of people
who you know, they may feel similar to you in me,

(53:06):
but they have to question your faith and question Christ.
Then can I be vocal? Can I use the name Jesus?
Maybe I have to say Sonanda, Maybe I have to
say yes you are you know what I'm saying? Or
yahweh you know, listen, embrace all of those names, but
take it with you because there is a growing movement
of Christian mystics, Christian mysticism, Christians who won't judge you,

(53:30):
and they're open. They may not believe or agree with
it or or practice it, but listen, you know, live
and let live kind of thing. As long as it
isn't hurt in anybody, they're cool with it. And to see,
one thing is a lot of older people stepping into this. Listen.
I just went to and seen you know, we went
and see Kirby Delannerole at the Five Day Program, went

(53:52):
and seen doctor Oh when doctor o Cam I got
to meet him. Listen, the majority of the people were
probably over sixty. Oh. Like, there's a lot of older
people who have been looking for this the whole life,
you know what I'm saying, and now they're stepping into it.
And it's so it's not just young people that are
you know, leaving the faith like people. There's a lot

(54:13):
of older people in these movements. And and there's church
services that embrace a lot of this stuff that we've
been told was new age or demonic that you know, uh,
you can you don't have to leave that. You just
got to find those people you have to go to
where you're celebrated and quit going where you're tolerated. Are

(54:33):
you still believe in that conspiracy stuff? Hey man, what's
the aliens doing this week? Or laughing at you and say, hey,
you know, it is what it is. But there's a
growing movement of people where churches are embracing all of
this stuff, you know, And it's beautiful. It is beautiful,
and it's ancient. You know what I'm saying. It's not
new age, it's not something new, it's something ancient. The
early Church understood this and they and they swim in

(54:56):
those waters for sure.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Amazingly said you know, one of one things that has
fascinated me. I mean I mentioned this on I did
a talk again with with Karna and one of the
things part of my journey was going into the darker cult. Oh.
I think I mentioned it when when Seanelle and I
interviewed you as well.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
And thank you for doing that too. I know you
did you put a bug in her ear to have
me on and stuff because we've podcast, but not like
obviously it was like later epiphany.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Oh yeah, tru you know, well, basically, I'm I'm very
much a guy who just lives in the moment, and
I just, you know, I'm a feeler and when something
comes into my field, I pick up on it. And
you just came into my field, you know, Sean Al
and I we we we interview people and like say,
we've had Elena, Danaan, and we've done stuff with Laura
and people, and you just came into my field. And

(55:49):
so I just said to Sean, actually, know, do you
know Derek Truth Seeker sort of thing? And she didn't
remember you at first, but then when when she looked,
She's like, oh, yeah, totally know him, you know. And
I said, We've got to interview this guy. We've got
a game on and have a conversation, you know, because
because I mean your work and you have been such
an influence and an inspiration in my life, I was like,
I'd love to have a chat about it, you know. So, yeah,

(56:09):
that's how that came about. And as it happens, I
think that's a great connection. You and seanel are definitely
on the same wavelength. And you know, she's she's singing
your praises, et cetera. And I think there might be
another one coming up soon.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, we're doing some stuff. She's sitting me up with
all kind of ideas and I love it.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, she's great. She's wonderful. So yeah,
I don't know the thought. Yeah, So part of my
journey is I was I was kind of when I
discovered the Universal Christ, I was kind of pulled into
not to participate, but to discover the darker cult and

(56:46):
secret society is and that side of things. Now that
that side is in my DNA, you know, I had
a granddad who was who was a mason, and I
don't know how high upe he never spoke about it.
I never spoke to me about it, so that but
there's something there that fascinates me about it. And I
realized that they've just got the ancient wisdom, the ancient ways,

(57:07):
and the ancient knowledge, the hidden knowledge, you know. And
I've read a book recently it says it's obviously it's
e t based, you know that he goes back into
the anonarchy and all this kind of stuff in Egypt,
and there's a definite link there with today's secret societies
and why they keep the knowledge to themselves. But that's

(57:28):
what's so good about Jesus to me is he didn't
go and be a world leader. He wasn't a politician.
He was just a normal bloke.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
He came up.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
He was just a carpenter's son, you know, and you know,
we know the story. And he went to the people
and he gave them this knowledge. He gave them this
wisdom and said, you're it. You've got this inside of you.
And I think that's so important to today that we're
taking this knowledge and we're waking the normal people up.
I mean, my wife and I were a crystal shop

(57:59):
and online crystal shop called Crystal Falls, because we want
this technology in the hands of the common people, you know,
and this knowledge and how to use it and how
to cooperate with the crystals and things like that. It's
something that's really big on my heart, you know, you

(58:22):
hear me?

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Ye yeah, the crystals. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Oh sorry, sorry, I thought I were dead there. Yeah yeah, yes, So.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
So is that is that something that's thriving, you know,
running a crystal shop? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Yeah, I mean again, it's one of that. We used
to go to a crystal shop in the place called
ghar Stand near us in the north of England and
it shut down and we were really disappointed and we're like, oh, no,
what shame. So it was like just one of those sparks.
Why don't we do it?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
You know.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
And granted we haven't done a physical shop yet because
of all the stuff that's going on, you know, there's
no high street presence anymore or anything like that. Yeah,
so we set it up, set it up online, and
it was like things just fell into place again, like
synchronicities and you know, everything just it just just worked
really well and easily and smooth as well. So thought,
oh that you know, this has got grace on it

(59:12):
for sure, and and you know it's paying for itself.
And we're off. We've been going for six months and.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
You guys are doing this together full time, like a
full time income.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
No, it's it's my wolves, my wife's full time thing.
I just help out. I set it up and then
I sort of said, you know, for her to run,
so it's like a self running machine. And she's brilliant.
She's so like, puts love and care into every package
that she puts together, and she sent sending stuff all
across the country. You know, you know, we we have

(59:43):
a marketing company, do our Internet marketing and it more
than pays for all that. And it's just it's just
gone from strength to strength and he loves it. She
absolutely loves it because she's an EmPATH, you know. She
she's a spiritual person and she just sends them out
with with with love and tension, you know, and people
can feel that when they get it, you know, at

(01:00:04):
this because you know crystals, that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, charged with energy, man, for sure. What do you
do for a living?

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Me? Well, I have a job in a local council. Actually, uh,
my my career. I've never had a career anything like that.
I've never had anything that's like ambitions or anything like
that because I've always I mean, as I said before,

(01:00:34):
my heart is in music and you know, I played drums.
I've always played drums, and I'm in the band and
the sension just a bit of plug in so and
and when we have albums out there, if people want
to check us out and stuff like, I say that
that's we're moving forward in that and and you know

(01:00:57):
we've we've been on labels and things like that. Incidentally,
as a side note, we actually had a guy called
Eric Gillette mix our last album Who's in a band
with Mike Pornoy and Dream Theater. So you know, we're
just making connections again, utilizing social media and you know,
just just meeting new people. And yeah, I mean we

(01:01:18):
were supposed to do the biggest gig of our of
our lives just before Lockdowns with Rick Weightman from Yes
I don't know if you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Him, Okay, No, I mean I know the band, but
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Yeah, yeah, and that that was pretty huge for us.
And obviously it didn't happen because everything lockdown, So things
are rolling, and I just really get a strong sense
that that what's happening now is going to cause such
massive shifts on a positive in a positive way, that

(01:01:52):
I really do believe that there's gonna be a world
where we can do mm hmm, that that many of
the things that stop us from doing what we're here
to do, like financial situation, things like that, I think
they're all going to be resolved, and I think there's
going to be a world birth out of all this
crap that's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, it's hard to even talk about that because so
many people, you know, it's scary. You know, we're going
through some troubling times, and uh, it's hard to look
at that, and and I don't know how much we
can or should talk about it, but I will say
that I have been a huge proponent of the Venus

(01:02:30):
project and with Jock Fresco and everything that he brought
to the table and designs, and it very is much
a futuristic, uh, look of using machines and using nature together.
And then I find out I didn't want to look
into this because I've really been staying away from much
of the conspiracies for many different reasons. But I finally

(01:02:54):
looked into what the great reset could be or whatever, right,
And so I looked into some of that, and I said, oh, wow,
maybe there is a potential of something good coming out
of something tragic, you know. And so that's my prayer,
that's my hope. We don't know. I don't know what
the hell is going on, none of us do. We
need to embrace each other right now. We need to

(01:03:14):
embrace every moment, We need to embrace every breath. This
is stuff we've been preaching for years. This is the
heart of spirituality. This is the heart of what we
bring to the table, is to live in the moment
because you're not promised tomorrow. It's just it is what
it is. And so if we can get the world
to be present, to walk in love, these are the
things that Christ did. So with that being said, you know, hopefully, man,

(01:03:39):
we can we can see a better humanity and a
better tomorrow coming and we can fight for it and
and and project it out there, you know, with not
with fear, but with faith. And it's hard right now,
it's very hard, but I think it can be done.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
I absolutely of the opinion that this is a time
when when people are going to start standing up who
have a heart for humanity. There's going to be a
shift in sort of leadership roles and things like that.
And I think, you know, certainly you look at like
the music industry and stuff like that. I think people

(01:04:16):
are rising up now who want to create a fair
and equal world, and not in a liberal sense, not
that I'm against that or anything, but people, there's a
lot of bad stuff going on right now. I mean, again,
I don't want to go too far into I don't
when you get banned, but you know, there is some

(01:04:37):
negative stuff going on, But I don't it won't stand.
I don't think it can stand because a it's not
legal for starters, and it's so much coercion and manipulation
of facts and figures is going on. It's almost as
if it's having the opposite effect that people are waking
up and they're going, what can we do about this?
And that's exactly the point we need to get to.

(01:04:58):
We need to be the solution.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Let's look at this. So what happened for you? What
happened for me? You got a word, You got a
something that spoke to your spirit that was about awakening
and a future for you, a hope and a future
that you had now your current situation. You know, like
you said, if you was to tell yourself that, hey,
this is where you'll be in five years, ten years,

(01:05:21):
what are you talking about? But you got a word,
you got a vision for the future, and then you
went through a dark night. Then you went through testing
and trial, and then the fire hit you because there
was gold inside of you. In order to bring that,
God the universe has to turn the fire up to
bring that which is beautiful out of you. And it's

(01:05:42):
a personal experience, it's a personal relationship, a personal journey
to think you're alone, it's silly to think I was
alone because the same thing happened. I'm silly. Everyone like
humanity is going through Christianity is going through this awakening
by themselves. But it's the micro, just you, and the macro.

(01:06:05):
So if enough people are having the same spiritual awakening,
many people are seeing UFOs, Many people are seeing synchronicities.
Many people are seeing the universal Christ and the good
within all, and it's wrecking their lives that the fires
turning up old paradigms are burning away. They're burning away
by that fire. They're getting burned up in it. The wood,

(01:06:27):
hay and the stubble in the chaff are being burnt
as an offering to God, I don't want it anymore,
take it. I only want that which is beautiful, that
which is pure. So that which is happening within our
hearts on a micro level, it's happening on a collective
global level. Obviously, if enough, if this is happening to
enough people, when you zoom out, it is happening to

(01:06:48):
nations who are having this spiritual awakening, who are choosing
love and so man, what's happening the personal joy and
the personal freedom and the personal connect connectedness with everything
and everyone that's happening for us is happening on a
global level. And if there's anything we can rejoice in,

(01:07:09):
it is that because it is something beautiful, it is
something to be experienced together. We're not going through it
by ourselves, which we thought at the beginning, you know,
because it was like little pockets here, there, here and there,
and then enough people begin to stand up and begin
to own their story, begin to own their questions, begin
to own their fears, and just to vocalize it. And

(01:07:30):
you see what it's doing. It's creating a beacon of
hope for other people. Just simply you're not alone. I mean,
Jason Upton had that powerful song You're not alone, just
singing that over you. You're not alone, Like it's so
encouraging and so simple. You know, Emmanuel means what God
is with us. You're not alone. You're in the fire,

(01:07:52):
shadragged me, shaking the bendigo. You're not alone. I'm with you.
I'll never leave you, I'll never forsake you personally and
could collectively listen. That is good news, man, and that's
where we are.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I totally agree, and I think because you know,
normal life has been so shaken over the past sort
of eighteen months. People are asking the bigger questions and
the deeper questions and the question like, you know, what
what am I doing with my life and things like
that and what is even real anymore? Et cetera, et cetera.
And there is so much hope to be had at
this time, as uncomfortable as it is, as much as

(01:08:30):
I dislike a lot of the stuff going on, for sure, yeah,
I mean absolutely, it's so important to stay focused on
hope and grace and yeah, again I need to watch
what I say. But you know, I have a vision
birth now that I want to put on concerts and

(01:08:51):
things without the need for any kind of well just
your ticket if you get where I'm getting at. You know,
we need to be the solution and provide for humanity
at this time and lose our egos and put ourselves
out there, you know. And that was a big one
for me. I was always so terrified of what people thought.

(01:09:12):
You know, you aren't You're not going to make everyone happy.
It's not going to happen. Get get over it. And
when I started speaking out sort of early twenty twenty
about certain things that I was being shown for many years. Yeah,
I had people who I thought were some of my
best friends just dropped me like that. Yeah, as they
weren't friends, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Listen, dude, it's part of it. See, that's you know,
and I'm vocal about it. That's why I'm vocal. It
is because nobody was talking about it at the time,
and I knew other people who were going through similar experiences.
I wasn't alone, you know. There there's other seekers and
they wouldn't talk about it. And because of that, I

(01:09:53):
felt the need to do that, you know, to talk
about this even more. And it wasn't fear based. It
was fun, it was good, it was encouraging. It's beautiful
and I'll just be you know, people feel that way
about the fear based stuff. That's why there's I have
friends who they're just straight fear you know, straight scary stuff,
and they feel because you know the same way that

(01:10:14):
I felt like I had to talk about this beautiful
mystery of Christ and all that, they feel the same
way to talk about the stuff that they're learning, the
stuff that they're experiencing because people in their immediate circle
aren't talking about it, so they feel they have to
do more. I have to do more because I'm picking
up your slack essentially, and so it's just part of
that process and that narrative. So that's one reason that

(01:10:36):
I embraced it and started talking about the things that
I started talking about, you know at that time, and uh,
it's part of it that's I want to I want
to say this too. With that being said, there's a
lot of people in chatman, shout out to the conversation here.
Everybody's having beautiful things that bring it to the table
and beautiful conversation. And shout out to all of you guys.
I see your names popping up YouTube, Facebook, Periscope, Twitch,

(01:11:00):
and d live also, So if you guys want, the
phone lines are open. If anybody wants to call in
with any questions or comments for Craig or myself or
something that they'd like to add or anything like that,
make sure you guys call in take advantage of the
phone lines. The number is five one five six oh
five nine seven seven six, and so Gothic Mystic is

(01:11:21):
manning down the phone lines and he'll take your calls there.
We've kind of just been flirting with the idea, haven't
really tapped into it much. But where does the you know,
the fascination for you with the UFO stuff come up?
And have you encountered ships, entities, mercabus, chariots, shams, whatever

(01:11:44):
you want to call them. They have many names, just
like everything does. So where where does that fascination and
experience come from for you?

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Well, I think I said near the beginning. Now, one
of the things that always motivated me was this kind
of idea of multi dimensional beings in the Bible and
in christian see angels, angel stories would always float my
boat when I was a kid. You know, anybody that
had an angel story, I was like researching it and
things like this. So when I made that connection that,
you know, an angel literally just means messenger, that could

(01:12:14):
be anything. You know, it doesn't really describe what it is.
In Christianity, we always think it's just a winged man
with blonde hair, you know. And then a part of
my wakening again listening to sort of a lot of
whistleblowers talk about different races and et races and how
there are government projects working with extraterrestrials on this planet,

(01:12:41):
I was just again just made that connection. So I
really jumped into that and I didn't go into it
quite as much as you did, like you know, like
going into fields all night, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Yeah, as long as as long as you don't go
that far.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
But I mean, one of the things that sticks out
to me is my wife's a lot more skeptical than I.
We laugh and joke that, like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I'm a that's good though compliment. Yeah, for sure, I'm molder.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
She's scully is what we say, you know there, And
she's like, well, let's just think about this for a second,
you know, and she really balances me out and likewise,
you know. But we went camping a couple of years
ago and it was just a really gorgeous night and
it was dark and we had a little fire going,
et cetera, and we noticed these three like lights in

(01:13:34):
the sky and we were sort of drawn to them.
And they're in sort of like a triangle shape. And
as soon as we looked at them that the lower
two ones started spinning around the one that was at
the top. They just started going around it like this,
And I was like, are you seeing that? Are you
seeing that? You know? I can see that? Can you
see that? And me and my wife and mailed his
daughter with edge like watching this sort of formation going on,

(01:13:58):
and next thing they just went flew off, like just disappeared,
just like this. And I was like, you know what
that was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Don't you? Emma?

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
She was like, I saw it. I can't deny it,
you know, And I just felt like that was for us,
you know, we needed to see that at the time,
we were talking about stuff, you know. And so they
are out there, and I wholeheartedly believe they want to
be seen, they want to have communication, but I also
believe we really have to do our inner work for

(01:14:25):
that to happen. I remember a guy called Emory Smith.
You know Emory Smith, Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I'm
familiar with them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
I don't know much of his work, Yeah, I know
when he represents yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
I mean he was part of government projects. He was
a doctor. He was taken into a secret underground projects
and he started being given pieces of skin grafts that
weren't human. Then it would be a limb, and then
it would be a full body of extraterrestrials and he
would operate on them, research them, you know, do studies

(01:14:57):
on them and all this sort of stuff. And as
he progressed, he says that, you know, there would be
other extraterrestrials who would work with him on these projects,
and he says they were his best friends. He says,
I've never experienced the love of vibration as when I
work with these equal them people, they're just people. And
he actually started to cry when he was describing them,

(01:15:20):
just like just the vibration that they carry, and they
just got me thinking. And what Yeah, what he said
was when if he'd had an argument with his partner
or if he was in a bad mood, you had
to do like an energy clearing before you went to
work with him because they couldn't handle it. They can't
be in the same room when you're carrying this vibration,
you know. And that just really spoke to me, like

(01:15:43):
we really it's so important that we learned to live
in this descended place, you know, this this high vibrational,
high frequency place of love and joy and peace and
kindness and all that. If we're going to make contact
with these and I really believe that they're going to
really start showing up in in a very very public way.
Do I think the government are going to do it?

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Not?

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
Really? I know we've had some form of disclosure that
they've actually admitted that there are UFOs. And I've also
heard that they don't actually mind people researching this stuff
because they feel that they can control that narrative. But
what they can't control is when you have a personal experience.
And I think with people like us who are fearlessly

(01:16:25):
engage in this stuff, and like I think you've mentioned before,
James Gilliland as Setti and things like that, you know,
I mean that mothership that he shared, saw that that
was huge, undeniable, you know. I just think that they
really really want to make contact with us, and quite frankly,

(01:16:48):
I think we need their help right now with everything
that's going on, We really need their help. Now. Elena
de Naran speaks of what's called a galactic federation. Interestingly,
the the I don't know if you know, a guy called, oh,
the Israeli Space Project founder forgot his name now, Hame Ashed,

(01:17:13):
I think he's called, I don't know if you've heard
of him. He came out and he basically said that
there is a galactic federation that they meet and they
have come to Earth to help us in this current
situation we're in. And apparently that's one of the reasons
why UFO sightings have just gone absolutely through the roof
that loads of people have seen him because there's a

(01:17:34):
lot of activity going on. And I'm just going to
say this, President number forty five, you know I'm talking
about I don't want to get you bat Mister Donnie
ham Ashed claimed that he was working with the Galactic
Federation of Worlds, that he was working with his benevolent
agenda for the planet and that's why he did what

(01:17:55):
he did. I'm sorry if that offends some people, if
they don't like him. I get why people don't didn't
like him. I know we were a certain type of personality.
He was imperfect, but so am I and so are
we all. You know, I think he was the right
man for the job. Just my opinion. Don't shout at me,
and I just but I just find this stuff really
really fascinating, that we are being helped and there there

(01:18:17):
are benevolent beings who are doing stuff in the shadow,
behind the scenes that we're not aware of. And I've
heard that many of them are laying their lives down
for us. I mean, again, we think, oh, they can't
die the eternal, but they have biological functions they have
a biological body that can die. There's so much learned,
so much to delve into out there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah, just like us, right, all right, just like us,
Like we're not these bodies, but we're you know what
I'm saying, limited to them while we're here, or which
seems to be anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Mm hm, exactly exactly. So, I mean I could just
talk for hours about this kind of stuff. I'm just
just a massive nerd. I just totally fascinated with it.
And I think if you pulled in this direction, I
think it's a genuine pull to make contact. You know,
you can, you know, I'm sure you've done it as well.

(01:19:12):
You can use your mind. You can tap into their
frequency and and you know, when you learn about your
energy system and sort of sort of going into your
heart center and things like that, that's where they will
connect with you and they will talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Now you have you have you had that? Or you
just going off with stories?

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
No? I think you know what I told you before
that that sentence dropped in my mind. That was in
a meditation when I was reaching out to them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
You know, I like to talk about like those voices.
You know, here's somebody saying that they're telepathically communicating with anything. Right,
if it's an alien, or if it's et or what
we call that, an angel, a demon, an ancestor you're
channeling something, you're hearing something telepathically. We come from Christianity

(01:20:01):
where we use that terminology with Jesus in the Holy Spirit.
The funny thing is is that in that realm, those
three are interchangeable. Different people will say God told me this,
the Lord told me to tell you this, Jesus told
me to tell you this, or hey, the Holy Spirit
wants me to tell you. So they got They kind

(01:20:23):
of use those interchangeable. Some of the deeper people will say, yes,
they all speak differently. I hear all three, and I'm
in conversation with all three, and they all have a
distinctive vibration. And for me, it is the same like
it is you can't tell you tell for the essence
or whatever or the message, same way, with the same

(01:20:45):
way that the Holy Spirit speaks to your heart, speaks
to your spirit impressions telepathically, if you will, images like
all that kind of stuff. It's the same, the same
kind of communication for what you would call ets and angels. Though,
is there a difference there. Do you know a distinct
difference or is it very similar to when you're in

(01:21:06):
prayer and you're getting downloads or inspirations back when you
first fell in love with Christ in the in the
church and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Well, for me, I think that the the depth of
what comes through will it will often be a key.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
I means my personal experience. When it's things like I
love you so like just telling them how much they
adore me, I know that that's my father. I know
that that's that's my creator, you know. I think when
it's when it's when I'm looking for answers or I'm
looking into something and I need a certain go a
certain direction, I know that I have so called guides

(01:21:50):
you know, angels whatever, who will help me and will
stir me in that direction. And it's just as I
said before, I'm a feeler, you know, I feel stuff,
and so that that has the pros and it has
gone because I can't you can't always be led by
your feelings, because your feelings can be wrong. But I

(01:22:11):
think having discernment and being able to when you're engaging
this stuff and you're basically practicing it, you discerned between
good and evil, so to speak. Then you begin to
feel the pull in a certain direction, and I often
find that like it happened with with you recently. Actually,
I've been looking into some stuff and I've not gone

(01:22:32):
public with it yet, but I guess I will do now.
Looking into the e t origins of humanity and that story,
you know that, the annarchy, the Sumerian texts and things
like that. I've been felt the pull in that direction.
And your interview with Paul Anthony Wallace was was just,

(01:22:54):
I mean confirmed the stuff that I've been researching in
a way that was just like it was like it
done for me. You know, do I agree with everything?
I don't know. I mean I don't agree or disagree anymore.
Just I talk to people, I have a mental shelf
that you know, if there's something there that's like whoa,
it goes on the shelf. I never ever say that's

(01:23:16):
wrong anymore. Because I first heard this back from Michael
Tellinger years ago, and I threw it out because I
was just like, nope, no, God created us in the garden.
He was a man with a beard walking through a
garden and went, I'm going to create you. Now you
know that was the image I had. And it's really
quite frankly, not that cut and dry. I mean, on
a scientific level, we have twenty two strands of DNA

(01:23:39):
that don't originate from this planet.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
You know we have been I mean I remember being
in work at a meditation, you like, an anti stress
sort of course, and they started talking about the reptilian
brain and I was like, no, no, no, no, no no. You know,
we can't be talking about that stuff. And they were
talking about our instincts, our survival instincts, and it's a

(01:24:07):
part of our brain which is reptilian. So what they're
basically saying is there are reptilian parts of our DNA.
Now they're looking at it from an evolutionary Darwinist point
of view, but when you look at the Biblical story
and how a reptile merged with humanity, you start to

(01:24:31):
see that's where it is. You know, somewhere along the line,
there's been a genetic manipulation there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Yeah, you know, and let's don't get too deep into it,
but let's sprink all some stuff out there, because you know,
one of the big things with the Sumerian tablets and
you know, the Anunaki and things. One of the big
things is is that our DNA was tampered with and

(01:24:58):
evolved from you know, a primate to mixing it with
alien DNA, if you will, extraterrestrial elohem DNA, which would
represent in humans the ability to have higher and lower
nature God in man mixed together, you're essentially a hybrid.

(01:25:18):
So that that's a huge belief of And I'm not
saying that that I don't know that that's truth, just
like you, but it is a big part of that narrative.
Seems like it's happening again. Yeah, with everything. I don't
want to say no words or nothing, but it seems
like it's happening again. There is a genetic modification to humanity.

(01:25:40):
We've been scared, we've been told it's a bad thing.
I don't know. I'm not giving it an opinion, but
it sounds very similar to that narrative.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
I'll say that it does very much so. And I
think the back class that's coming from the subject that
you're talking about, I think there's something encoded into us
and it's made us a way even so anxiously. You know,
people who have no spiritual you know, they're not openly
spiritual or anything like that, something's being triggered in them
at the moment with what's going on, and I just

(01:26:12):
find it very very interesting, and that you know, kind
of when you look at it cosmically, you know, the
energies and the frequencies that's coming into the Earth from
our position in the solar system and the galaxy, the
position of our solar system in the wider cosmos. And
you know, twenty twelve, everyone talked about that that was
a real demarcation point when when a cycle ended and

(01:26:33):
a new cycle began of a twenty five thousand year
cycle of our solar system moving around a bigger system.
And obviously energetically, it's really really affecting us. And obviously
I find this stuff really fascinating and how it's affecting
our consciousness and our spirituality. And this is I think

(01:26:54):
this is a direct result of the spiritual awakening that's
happening right now. And I think we're going to see culture.
I think we're going to progress as a society and
as a global and cosmic culture in a way relatively quickly.
And yeah, it's gonna be seem like magic, it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
You talked about going within to get without, like you know.
And I've been having to be clear on that a
lot with people because I do have meditations on leaving
the body through the crowd chakra. My music, I have
songs called leaving My Body, and it is about leaving
through the top of the head and exiting your body
to go fly around or remote view or astral travel, right,

(01:27:34):
and I use those terms and uh, but but I
want to be clear that, you know, my my experience
in doing that has all been going within, to close
your eyes and go within, so you go within, journey
there to access those realms, those portals, go within to
get without. So I want to preface it by saying
that people are saying that we're tapping in closer to

(01:27:58):
five D, like what what ever that means. I'm not
an expert on that either, but but it sounds like
the veil between worlds just getting very thin. That communication
between humans and and and and entities, humans and etheric
eternal beings, ancestors, all of that's happening a lot more

(01:28:20):
much easier to access within your meditations. My meditations have
been pretty profound for me, and we, you know, lead
group meditations, and I try to teach that, you know,
to go within and to commune with God, to commune
with the Holy Spirit, and just whatever they want to
show you, wherever they want to take you and allow
you to go as that vehicle. I seen a video

(01:28:42):
yesterday last night. I was in tears watching this. A
good friend of mine, dan Oskapinsky, had his kids, so
he's got this pretty much like a mindfold map. It's
just a blindfold that you put on and it blacks
out everything. So they, you know, they use that for meditation,

(01:29:02):
and they have something that they kind of have been
experimenting with called Going into the Cloud Stepping into the Cloud. Listen,
there's a lot of deep stuff about the cloud, about
the Glory Cloud, you know, like you talked about in
that meeting and morning Star and then Jesus said, and
the amount of transformiguration, transfiguration they came out of the cloud, right,

(01:29:25):
these etheric beings and their ancestors and the voice the
cloud follows people. There's even text about the apostle Peter
having the cloud with him and things. Right. So anyway,
they had this program they developed called Going into the Cloud,
and it's just kind of a meditation with a mindful
blacking out your eyes. And it takes a little while

(01:29:48):
for us adults because of training and the mind. And
we've been with the universal mind for so long, and
we have to clear our minds because we got junk,
we got bills, we got we got a lot of
things that we got to juggle. So stepping into meditation
becomes a journey. But we get better at it, we
get better, we get faster, and it becomes more profound. Well,

(01:30:11):
Dan o Skipensky. Last night I seen a video he
did and I re shared it, and it's worth watching.
I was. I was in tears watching this. His kids
wanted to use the mindfold and put it on, and
he's like, no, it's not a toy, you know, this
is for my meditation. And so his little little kids
wanted to they were like begging him. So he's like,
all right, sure, put it on. His little youngest little boy,

(01:30:35):
I don't know how he is, let's say seven six,
I don't know, six years old. He puts on the
blindfold and he's immediately translated into VR. Virtual reality. I've
got I've got virtual reality. I have the oculus. I
love it. I love technology, and it's so fun. It
is immersed of you really there. The little boy puts

(01:30:56):
it on, he's like he's like interacting with things with
just a blindfold, and he's like, hey, what are you seeing?
He's asking him, and he's like seeing like stuff from
the Avengers, and he's fighting bad guys and he's saying,
God is telling me to fight the bad guys, the
bad guys who are against God. I'm going to fight.

(01:31:17):
I'm fighting them. And he's punching and he's literally jumping
on and if you look at the expressions, you can't
see his eyes, but you can see his face and
he's like really into it. All he did. He didn't pray.
He put the blindfold on, and there was a connection
that something happens when you put it on. And this
little kid is immersed in a movie a fighting bad

(01:31:38):
guys and he's punching, he's jumping, and he is like
his senses like you know, it is overactive imagination, but
it is. The imagination is your belief in how you
access this stuff. And it's like, oh wow, this little
he's like, what do you see? What do you see?
Some what are you seeing? He's explaining he's fighting them
and stuff, and it's fully immersed and he takes it

(01:32:00):
off and he's like, what did you see. He's like, yeah,
God is telling me to fight the bad guys, and
I'm taking up for God. And there are bad guys,
like you know, how did you know that they were bad? Well,
there was two of them and you know they had abilities.
And he's just like this whole world and it's a
little kid. So I'm just like watching it in chills,
like this is insane. And then his daughter puts it on,

(01:32:24):
and she's a little bit older, so you're thinking maybe
it's a little bit harder for her, and hers was
just just as profound. She sits on the bed, the
little boy was jumping and punching. You know, in this
interactive world she puts it on. There is no clear
your mind, there is no what do you you know?
Let's forget about the cares of the day, there is

(01:32:46):
no God of meditation. There's put this on. What do
you see? And so she just starts explaining like she's
like I see God, and you in the expression and
the innocence in her voice, He's like, oh, you see
God too, and you can hear it in her voice,
and she's like sticking out her hand and she's like

(01:33:06):
reaching up for God. He's like, uh, man, I see
I see God in what's he what's he saying? And uh?
And my friend Dan, he's a he's a musician. Just
put out a phenomenal album about your identity in Christ.
It's a really good album. And and so she says,

(01:33:27):
I'm seeing stars and I see the moon and she's
the expression the expression is what it is, the expression
on their face and they're literally caught up, like looking
around and uh. And she said, God's telling me I
hear your song, Dad, And God tells me he likes
your song.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
It's like I'm watching this and I'm crying. Man, Like, wow,
this is so like the innocence that's there and the
beauty and you know, it's just, uh, something's happening, man.
And if we will engage, if we will step in, man,
this stuff will become real to us. You know, we'll
begin to see what God says about a situation. Man.

(01:34:11):
If well, if we will, you know, turn off the television,
social media, whatever it is that you're getting your information from. Listen.
I urge you to go directly to your creator. You know,
that's how easy it is. Close your eyes, man, put something.
You know, that's how easy it is. The child like
you have to become like a little child in order

(01:34:32):
to step in and interact and embrace the kingdom.

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
That's it, We're already there. There's no effort. In fact,
the effort is to get into no effort. You know,
it says we labored to get into rest. Yeah, we
thought that was quite an oxymoron, but it's really a
powerful statement that you know, I mean, even on a
scientific level, you know, using your breath to get your
brain and your mind into a certain brain waves and

(01:34:58):
things like that. That's just like you say, the innocence
of children just totally inspiring. I mean I say, I mean,
I've got I've got kids, and they always inspired me,
always inspired me, you know, and you know I think
you know, they've incarnated here that here so I can
teach them. No, no, no, they've probably told me I told them,

(01:35:20):
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Yeah, yeah, And they all have something different and something beautiful,
just like you know, part of the body to think
that every kid, you know, even with his kids. Let's say,
maybe maybe all kids aren't like that, but you know,
it's something special that they have to honor and to cultivate,
you know, and to learn from maybe other kids. My daughter,
I'll say this, my daughter her giving her and she's sixteen,

(01:35:44):
but like she'll she'll go to work and she's got
a job and she works at Starbucks, and she'll she'll
take her whole paycheck and spend it on her friends,
you know, just to see them smile, just to see
just to uh, you know, to to She's always been
like that, ever since she was a toddler. Of just
the selflessness. And it's like, listen, everybody has a you know,

(01:36:09):
both natures in them. You know what I'm saying. You
have higher, you have the lower, and you have to choose.
You have to choose love. You have to choose the
higher expression. And the more that we choose, and the
more people that choose, listen, this is spiritual awakening, This
is global awakening. The more that we choose, the more
that we begin to live in a world where people
honor others over honoring themselves. And they have that beauty

(01:36:32):
and that spark that they bring to the table, you know,
and I tie that in you know, that Dan and
his children and just seeing that videos like listen, maybe
maybe the veil ist thinner. You know, people are saying
that we're merging and it's easier. So try it, man,
Try stepping in. Try asking for the things that you've
seen in your visions, the things that you've seen in

(01:36:54):
your dreams, that they are real, That there is a
world within a world that is more real than this one.
You know, what a scene is temporal, but what is
unseen is eternal. And I really believe that me too.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
And I think something I tell my kids is a
follow your passions, follow your dreams. You know, never ever,
ever settle for something that isn't igniting you within. And
if you can imagine that, you can do it. You know,
and we say this are teaching the kids, we need
to tell this ourselves as well. You know, dream big,
visualize and manifest and create. This is our creative ability.

(01:37:32):
You know. Sean Hall has done a great book. You
talked about it, The Science of Miracles. I've read Joey Spenser.
You know, I've really looked into that, that the art
of manifestation, and it really is an artist. It's it's science,
but it's an art. And you know when I say
I'm a feeler, you know that's helped me musically, you know,

(01:37:52):
but also in life, I'm learning to use my feeling,
my emotions, and my energy to shift circumstances outside of me,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
And and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
To the very fact that I'm on this show with
you now is testament to that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Hey, I said the same thing. You know, I was
on you know, I was on with Carry Cassidy, you know,
and she interviewed me. It's been probably twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen.
But for me, it's like, you know, when you consume
hours of content from somebody, and all of these experts
have gone on, people that you've gleaned from and study,
and you've consumed hours, and now you're talking to them

(01:38:35):
as a peer, you know, it's like it is a
piece of that magic. Vanna Barbs and here in the
chat says imagination eye, Magi nation, you know, the eye
of the Magi man. You know what I'm saying, to
be able to see into the unseen and manifested.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
You know, it really is magic.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
It's white magic.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
It is exactly white magic and sale.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
Now white magic for the magi. That's what I say.
If you life in that third eye, elevating new levels
in the mind, when you let your ego die the seeker,
he shall find new the mintions in the mind. Your
life is synchronized. You're divine by design. Man. When you
understand that, you bring the power. You know, you become
co creators and co manifestors with with God. You start

(01:39:24):
working with God versus working against you know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
Yeah, absolutely, it is massive and that's been one of
the biggest lessons for me because you know, we're not
a victim of our circumstances. Were the creator of it.
And so if you're not happy with with your with
what your experience, it's because there's something internal. You know,
deal with your crap, go within and get the deal

(01:39:49):
and change it. Shift your energy, shift your vibration and
just what's the magic happen?

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Yeah? Yeah, process. I mean you got to get sick
and tired of being sick and tired yep, you know,
and didn't have the ability or the spark to want
to change it. You know, there's two that's a like,
that's a that's a huge step. I mean, it's one
of the biggest steps. But it's huge and it can
happen early. And if you get past that part to

(01:40:14):
get tired, check now do you want to change it.
Check do you have the faith and the belief and
the imagination that you can. You know, many things help
that testimonies are huge. What other people have done to
change their situation. I talked about, I know, we don't

(01:40:37):
like this word, but being jealous and envious of people
who are in there in their truth and in their dream,
you know, And and I was jealous and envious using
those words in a good way. It's what you do
with jealousy and envy. Like most people are moved to
anger or or plotting and mad and become a hater.

(01:41:00):
Like if you become jealous and envious, then you want
to do what you can to create a similar situation
for yourself. Not the backbite, but but that that jealousy
and envy shows you. Listen, it's possible. The Bible says
all things are possible to them that belief. First of all,
I need to believe it. If you want to see it,

(01:41:21):
you gotta believe it. And so seeing other people's lives,
seeing people who start an online business and sell crystals,
Yeah what, No, there's not enough money. There's there's too many,
too many crystal businesses. There's already one that's, you know,
the main one. I can't compete. No man, try it. Like,
if that's what you want to do, muster up the

(01:41:42):
strength to do it. And now what Now I get
to wake up and research and teach about and sell
crystals for a living. I was waking up and I
was a waitress for a living. I didn't I did it.
I didn't like it. I thought it was my plight,
but I changed my situation. And that song vacation by
Dirty Heads, Hey, I'm on vacation and every single day

(01:42:06):
because I love my occupation. If you don't like your life,
then you should go and change it. Like listen, don't complain,
don't blame. You know what I'm saying. You become you.
You were a victim, but you are now the victor
to your situation.

Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
And in a realization, use.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
The alchemy to change it and seeing a beacon seeing
what you did. Obviously you've seen what I did, and
we pay it forward, you know what I'm saying. And
you pay it forward and somebody else who watches you,
and somebody else will sees your freedom, somebody else will
sees your fruit, and we just cycle disciples. You know
what I'm saying, and that's what it's about. Man, each

(01:42:46):
one reached one with the testimony is that simple, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
Can't disagree with any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Uh, Man, I can go all day, bro, I've been
enjoyed this talk. What time is it where you are?

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
It's ten to six in the evening now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
Ten to six, eleven fifty one am here. So yeah,
a bit of a difference, but I've enjoyed it so
far to.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
Walk and you know, for me, it's it's personal connection
is so important, and that's what I've really valued in
the Awakening is meeting people on that same vibe and
just just conversations like this, just just mates talking. You know,
I'm so I'm bored of going to I know it

(01:43:33):
has its place, and I'm not going to a meeting
and listen to preach at you. I want a conversation.
I want to ask questions and you know, and I
think exactly, and I think back in the day, you know,
when Paul would travel the world and what have you,
I think that's what he was doing. He wasn't going
to a church meeting. He was going in someone's house
and saying, I've got this amazing revelation listen to this,
and then the DA have a chat about it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
You know, he's spiritual gifts, like he talks about like
feeling out or discerning that group. Let me discern. Let
me discern my audience and see where they are. There's
many things. There's many places we can go, and so
certain ones, he says, Listen, I brought and imparted spiritual
gifts to you, like I've taught you how to use

(01:44:15):
and trained you in spiritual gifts and other places he
went to. I think it's interesting. He's like, listen, I've
made it my point to only preach Christ Crucified just
because you've guys have gotten way off on your love.
You guys have gotten way off on your pursuits, and
so you guys aren't ready because you know so I'm

(01:44:36):
it's Christ Crucified. Listen. We need to make sure that
we have the basics. You know, we have, we have
graduated from the basics. But but they are foundational and
so I'm not talking about anything else with you. And
so he was able to fill out groups, man, and
see what they were, what they're ready for. You just
did the same thing, man, he said, Listen, like I

(01:44:56):
got many things to show you, but you're not ready
and and it can mess people up in awakening. And
we have messed people up in awakening when we try
to force them to wake up or show them information
that they're not ready for, and they question everything, and
not in a good way. It's just been it should
be something natural. Obviously, there is jolting, and there is

(01:45:18):
everything I knew was that was real as a lie.
So there is how do you cope? How do you
course correct? How do you maintain? How do you breathe
through that? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
One thing which I were dealing with them spiritual circles,
a lot of talk about karma, and I get what
they're talking about. You know that there is what you
put out is what you get, you know, and that's science,
it's it's energy. What what I found is that you know,
they're talking about burning off karma, this, that and the other,

(01:45:50):
going through hard times, and I'm just like, didn't Jesus
do that for us? You know what I mean. I'm
not going into these circles to preach at them, but
there's going to come a point where, you know, I
absolutely believe in karma. I think karma is the is religion.
I think that's what it is. It's you know, but

(01:46:12):
Jesus ended the karmic cycle. You know, he died our death,
he paid the karmic price. And I'm yet to tell
to say that to to someone. And I'm going to
be interested in the in the reaction. You know, dude,
you've been liberated from your karma. Enjoy you are ascended life,
you know what I mean. That's the good news, will

(01:46:33):
already there be awakened, be enlightened to it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
You don't have to. You don't have to. You know,
you don't have to put up with them cycles, so
you don't have to be a victim of the cycles.
Like cycles happen for a reason, right, And I do
believe like you reap what you sow Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
A seasons, Yeah, there are seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
You know what I'm saying, Be not deceived that whatsoever
you saw amissed. I also read like I've seen it
in my life, like but it was like it was
always a punt because I've seen it, you know what
I'm saying. Of like I was conscious to see it.
And I remember, you know, doing exposed videos on people
and calling people false profits and exposing and saying stay

(01:47:12):
away from so and so they're double worshippers. And then
it's happening to me. You know what I'm saying. I'm
like I can only laugh through it. You know, Hey,
I put it out there and you know how so
so now like to know if you know that. But
that's manifestation. Like whatever you put out is coming back.
It is a sling shot boomerang if you will, So

(01:47:34):
start putting good stuff out, like be conscious aware that
I'm sowing seeds that other people are going to water
and somebody else is gonna sit under the shade of
that of that tree. So doing that consciously to manifest
a better life for yourself, for your kids, for for

(01:47:54):
other people who you may not even see. And that's
how it works. I mean, this talk, this podcast doing
that for sure. And so I've done it, you know,
Jesus says, you know what you've done unto the least
of these you've done unto me, No, we haven't. Listen.
When I was in prison, you guys visited me when
I was thirsty, you gave me water. When did we

(01:48:14):
do that? They're like, when did we do that?

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
We did it to that?

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
When you did it to the dude, that you didn't
get any reward from when nobody saw you. You got
it from me. So like, I am so elated when
people labor, you know, alongside me and support what I'm doing.
Anybody in my community that I'm aware of when they
put out a work or when they need a friend, Like,

(01:48:43):
first of all, God's got you because you've been putting
that out. When someone needed a friend, you showed up
as a friend. So when you go through trouble time
when you need a friend, a friend will be provided
for you. When you need somebody to a shoulder to
cry on, because you've been you've been a shoulder for
other others to cry on, one would be provided for you. Right.

(01:49:05):
I understand that that's how God works, but that's how
I work too. Like if I know that, uh, you
know people in my circle are supporting people in my
circle or sharing, retweeting, like, whatever it is, I'm gonna
I'm want to return the favor. You know what I'm saying.
You put out a book, listen, I'm gonna buy it.
You know why you bought mine? Is that just okay?
So you only support people that support you? No, But

(01:49:27):
I am gonna go above and beyond. You know what
I'm saying, to do what I can to support and
to pay it forward because you guys have done it
to me. And if you don't have that in your
life and you want it and you need it, become it,
becoming for somebody else what you need. That's part of
this learning process. Listen, I know what it's like to

(01:49:47):
go through spiritual awakening and not have anybody to talk to.
I'm gonna I'm just gonna be that person that you
can talk to. You might not agree with me, might
not believe in it, but listen, I'm gonna be that
because I need it in my life, so I'm gonna
be it. I'm gonna be a friend. I'm gonna I'm
going to financially sew into your life. I'm going to
pay for strangers meals out in public. List I'm gonna
do whatever I can to make somebody's life better, more comfortable,

(01:50:13):
release magic into their life. Are in wonder because I
know that those people are gonna, you know, do it
for me as well, and I want to see it
and I want to go deeper into it. And uh
like that is you know, and you don't do it
to you know obviously don't let your right hand know
what your left is doing. But it's law. Whatever you
put out is coming back. So put out beauty into

(01:50:36):
the world and you're going to receive it back as well.

Speaker 4 (01:50:40):
So when you when you put out from this conscious
awareness that we're already there, we're already blessed, we've already
got our needs. Yeah, it's it's it's effortless, you know,
so in and reping et cetera. It's been made such
a work like, oh, you're not got any money, give
money to get back. But that's kind of convoluted because

(01:51:01):
you got to think, No, I am fully blessed in Christ,
because I'm fully blessed, I am prosperous, and I am wealthy.
I will give and it might not be a big amount,
doesn't mind by the amount, but it's your heart's the
energy you're giving out, and it will come back. It's law.
It has to happen, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
And I think the thing is is, you know, to
keep the mindset is that we're not doing it out
of lack like you're saying, I'm not doing it to
get I'm doing it because you know what I'm saying.
And you need to keep that mindset. And I'm doing
it because the provision is already out there. I'm not
becoming already, am You know, even when we talked about jobs,
or we talked about I want to do something or

(01:51:38):
create something, Listen, it's already within you now. The birthing
process or releasing that or becoming that, like that's a
you know, that's alchemy. That is manifestation. That takes time
and energy and some kind of effort. But know that
it's not outside of you. It is within you. Everything
you need is already within you. You already are a healer,

(01:52:00):
You already are whole, You already are loved. I mean,
whatever it is you're looking for is within you, and
it's looking for you, and you're not lacking anything. And
that is the gospel, like you said, that is this
place that we create from, you know, spiritual warfare. I
really believe in it. I do believe in negative entities.
I do believe in mind manipulation and being overwhelmed and anxiety.

(01:52:24):
But we we wore from a place where the battler's
already won, from a place of victory.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
And that is a sension. That is what a sension
is all about. It's not we're not trying to get somewhere.
It's realizing where we already are and who and what
we already are. And you know, loads of people talking
about ascension. And again I've not a bros this subject
with spiritual communities and things like that, because I'm just

(01:52:51):
building relationship. You know. We don't have to try and
be what we already are. We just got to be it,
and we've got to do from a place of being,
you know. And that's that's the good news. It's it's
it's so straightforward, but we make it so complicated and
so odd.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Yeah, there's another scripture that says the servants of the
Lord must not strive, you know, and that's part of
that work. That's part of that doing it on your
own strength or your own accord. I mean that even
the Old Testament is a beautiful scripture that says if
if if if man builds the house, they labor in vain.
But if the Lord builds it right, this this structure,

(01:53:31):
this thing will be blessed and it will last, and
so will perfect will of God, you know, permissible will
of God, what God allows, you know, for teaching and
training purposes only you know what we learn. But I
think a lot of times before we go into things,
at least I know, you know, if something is going
to be fruitful or I'm just going to try something,

(01:53:54):
you know, when it's God breathed, or when it's something
that's like the said, I'm going to try on my own,
my own free will, because I can. I don't know
that I'm supposed to be doing this. I know that
it could be taking the long way around, you know,
but I feel like God allows that. And sometimes we
lose money, we lose what seems to be time because

(01:54:17):
we've been there. But someone posted in chat takes the
words from me says, we live what we learn. Jerry
Haley says in chat, we live what we learn and
we learn through that. So what seems to be like
money and time wasted obviously in the physical, but it
proves something spiritually, like, Okay, I need to make sure
that I follow the voice of my intuition and only

(01:54:39):
move upon things that I know that that that that
that are gonna uh, you know, be fruitful and multiply
if you will. And that's just my personal I've had
to do it. I still have to do it, you know,
what I'm saying. I want to start so many ventures
and I have so many ideas, but to be faithful
and to stay you know, faithful with the things God

(01:54:59):
has given. It's hard. You know, you think it's easy. No, no, no,
it's the creative and the ideas and the collective and
all of this. Who can I help and who can
I take under my wing? And what can I start?
And juggling it. You only have so many hours in
the day. So the things that you feel intuitively led to,
you know, you think that God is calling you, there's
a there's a connection there. Pursue those things, follow the intuition,

(01:55:22):
and you learn how to do that. Just like you said,
you learn how to discern. You learn how to discern
what the perfect will of God for your life is too.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
Yeah, and there's no fear involved with that. Remember back
in the day, it was like, I've got to hear
the voice of God. I've got to try and fathom
out what God wants and all this sort of stuff.
And it's so easy. Just go with it, be at peace,
be at rest, and it will just happen naturally. It
will just it's an effortless flow. Life is a flow.

(01:55:52):
I looked into Chinese Woo way just as a part
of my looking at stuff. I don't know if you
know what that is through weigh is the it's linked
with loud Sue, you know the what's it's called now.
He wrote a book a common and it's called now
very famous.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
The Art of War.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
No, no that I can't remember who that was, but
no loud Sue. It's it's basically just sayings of wisdom, basically,
and it's all about allowing life just to flow and
be a part of the flow of life, so we're
not there's no resistance, like a river doesn't resist anything,
It just flows. I mean, you know, when when hard

(01:56:33):
times come, just just float with the life, just go
with the life and allow it just to be and
just just be you in that present moment. And it
really helped me that And because when you when you
stop striving, suffering ends. When you stop striving, the the
life becomes easy. You just allow life to happen. And

(01:56:56):
and then when you when you change energetically in that
effortless flow. Again, I'm here on a podcast that I
a few years ago, I never dreamed I would be on,
you know, and as soon as I'd made that decision.
I'm going to be true to myself, true to what's within.
Things just popped open. And Seanelle said to me she

(01:57:18):
felt that vibration because she was the one that really
pulled me out of the hidden place. You know, I
had no connection to anyone or anything. She recognized it.
She went, you come on the show. You know, she
gets up me on a platform about to talk, and
from then it's just bang bang bang bang bang bang.
It's just opened up and it's effortless. It just happens,

(01:57:39):
and it's it's a there's a real lesson. I don't
have to make anything happen, you know, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
Put you put the hope, and you put the thought
and the idea out there and then just give it
time and when you're supposed to happen, it happens.

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
It will happen. Just just resting it. Yeah, as you know,
you listen to Neville got hard, you know, never got
he was Wow, what a guy was very mysterious person.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Actually, Hey, hey, is the book you're talking about? The iting?
Is that what you?

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
I want to hear it loudzuro Really you know what
see if I can google is once Yeah, yeah, Nevill Godard.
You know, just the feeling is the key, is what
it used to say, you know, feel it before it's happened,
to be in it, before it's manifested.

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
Yeah, that's that's huge feeling that and and and you know,
and that's where Christianity has kind of gone wrong for us,
because they told us to abandon even those feelings of
even your present situation, or to ignore them or to
pray it away, versus like hold on, like I'm going
to be present.

Speaker 4 (01:58:52):
It is Tutashing talks about the.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
Down Okay, Okay, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
The Tutashing is what the book's called by out Soon
and it's just that why sayings of his basically, and
it's really fascinating, really good talking about all this kind
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, those were the dow I read some
of it, not much and not an expert by any means,
But what were some of the books early for you?
Like there's all these for me, there were ancient books
just to be you know what I'm saying, like I
wanted the old and I still have a heart for
where this stuff came from. I'll say that, you know,
I want to go I want to find the first

(01:59:28):
time this thing was introduced or people who encountered it first. Right,
there's magic there. Most of the books are inspired by
something older, you know, or there's nothing new under the
sun as well, you know, we can find where it
came from. The Bible is full of beautiful experiences, and

(01:59:48):
so that's a big part of my heart. And then
ancient books and even now, you know, I collect a
lot of older occult books and stuff like in eighteen hundreds,
and obviously it goes back for in that but a
lot of stuff was discovered and revealed back then. But
what what were some of the books for you that

(02:00:10):
early on helped you out.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
I'm a really really slow reader.

Speaker 1 (02:00:16):
To me too, I got so many opening.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
It takes me ages, and I'll read a page and
I'll think about it and next thing off. And I
was going to honestly, I always read the books of
someone who I'm listening to at that point. So I
read all of David Wilcox's books. They are excellent for
expanding your mind, your knowledge, you know, all of it.
In fact, I've not read his late latest one, Awakening

(02:00:41):
in the Dream. Apparently lots of people say he's best ones.
I don't know, I've not had it. I mean I
read books like you on the The Art of Freemason
week because I wanted to understand it and their beliefs,
why they do what they do and et cetera. And
I can't remember who was by, to be honest with you,
I see it. I literally judge books by the cover,

(02:01:01):
to be honest.

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
Well judge, but I think I've got a really good cover.

Speaker 4 (02:01:07):
Yeah, And I mean it's it's wherever again, I feel
it's wherever feel led to go into. I mean, like
I say, Joe Dispenser's but Becoming Supernatural. It was so
good in going delving into the science of the energy centers,
that the manifestation process, the power of brain waves and
brain frequencies. Because I'm a lot more scientific than I

(02:01:30):
like to admit, to be honest, you, I think you
know so I'm a feeler, but I'm very analytical as well,
and obviously being a drummer, I can see why because
it's all about numbers and feelings, you know, both times.
So yeah, I think I said to you when we
interviewed you that I was one of those like I
would not read something unless it was by a Christian

(02:01:51):
author for so many years. Then when I started to
delve into stuff, and again I watch a lot of stuff,
you know, because I'm quite a visual learner as well,
because I'm such a slow reader. It takes me such
a long time. Yeah, that was just a few And obviously,
you know the maror Bible, as I mentioned before, that
was so good for re understanding scriptures and the original

(02:02:13):
intention of the author and not just what King James
wanted me to learn.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Yeah. Yeah, that's huge, man, just getting a different take,
especially on the Bible. People are so close minded to
that right, because there's only one meaning. You know, there
is no what the Book of Timothy says. There is
no private interpretation of scripture. Listen, that's your private interpretation.
There's the early mystics and early believers believed and read

(02:02:43):
the Bible with four different layers of understanding. At least
some would say seven, some say eleven, some say ninety nine. Like,
there's all kinds of different layers. But what I found
and agreed upon it is four. There's a literal, right,
you read it as literal, and I feel like that
makes it more real for you, It makes it more tangible.
In your reality. But there's the spiritual and the esoteric,

(02:03:04):
and then there's the the you know, allegorical, the symbolic
of what this this? What is? What is this symbolizing
for me today? Now? What it meant for them six
thousand years ago, two thousand years ago? But today what
does this mean for me? And uh? And and find
that meaning and resonate with it. And it's hidden stories.

(02:03:24):
It is hidden parables the way that you know Jesus taught,
you know, Jesus taught with questions, He taught with reflections
and and asking you a question and using parables and
signs and symbols, you know, And so to understand that,
like it becomes much more than first of all, a
dead book. And now I'll say this, I'm I'm partial

(02:03:47):
to the Bible. I do believe it's it's inspired. I
believe it's the most magical book on the planet. Honestly,
there's these uh and I need to try this, but
there's this uh, these TikTok videos that are blowing up
where peopeople are taking electric meter readers, like for like
you stick in the wall socket to make sure that

(02:04:07):
it's got a charge and it beings or whatever. So
electricians use them. But there's this trend on TikTok that
everyone's doing. It's going viral. They're literally taking those charges
and they're holding them to their Bible and it's it's dinging,
and they're putting they're putting them on their computer, they're
putting them on other books and nothing. But when they
touch it to the Bible, it's like lighting up, like, hey,

(02:04:30):
this thing is emitting energy. Man, this thing is alive
and sharper than any two edges and sword, you know
what I'm saying. So a book that you read, but
you're being deceived. The book is reading you. If you
read it with an open heart and an open mind
and an open spirit, you'll find out things about your life,
about your psyche, about your heart that you never knew.

(02:04:53):
And God knows exactly where you are. He is in
all and through all and above all, and uh, and
he he knows us in and out. Synchronicities like all
of that. It started increasing, man, but it's it takes
something to awaken you, because you got to get out
of the mundane right. And most Christians, I would say,
at least most spiritual Christians like the Bible in and

(02:05:16):
of itself is already spiritual, like it connects them to God,
it connects them to Jesus and where they're going when
they pass from here, you know, light and truth. So
it already has this majesty behind it. But when you
have to approach it with that, and as long as
you approach it with this, with this majestic song and
dance with the Creator, you're you're stepping into the divine.

(02:05:39):
And then that just kind of grows deeper and deeper
and deeper because you don't know anything about the allegory
until God reveals it to you, to the Holy Spirit
reveals it to you. For me, it was it was
reading the Bible early on, like I'm talking about like
what we would call a baby Christian, fresh out of
fresh into this, like just a few and I'm reading

(02:06:01):
these stories and the Holy Spirit says, hey, that's you
right now, what you're dealing with, what you're about to read.
I want you to pay attention because how they come
out of it and how they overcame, you're going to
do the same thing. And I'm like, what is this?
It's that inward reflection as I'm reading, I'm like, okay,
And then I'm like, I just see myself in those pages.
It's like, Wow, I thought we're reading about people six

(02:06:23):
thousand years ago. It's like, no, this is you, man,
this is you in this book. And I'm like, and
I begin to follow the Israelites and where they were going,
and my spiritual journey was lined up with their process.
And it was like this spiritual journey that is in
the Bible. You know what I'm saying, and asking the
spirit where do I read? And he meets you where

(02:06:45):
you are and brings things and signs and symbols and
syncreticities into your life, and it just begins to open
up more more more until you start seeing them inclusive
and everything. So like at first, we can only see
Him in Christianity, we can only see in the Bible.
You know, now we're seeing Him in everything. You know,
everything is a mirror, everything is a reflection every person.

(02:07:07):
We can only see him in christians Now we can
see Him in the smile, in the smile of a dog.
You know what I'm saying. Philosophy, religion, you know what
I'm saying, Like, you see God in all and through all,
and there's no greater, no greater fulfillment in my mind
and in my spirit to know that I can't know
where I can go. Can I run from that love

(02:07:30):
and that awareness? And you know, David said, if I
if I ascend him to heaven, I'm there with you.
But if I make my bed in hell, there you are.
There's nowhere nowhere that I can go that I can
get away from this awareness of God and this consciousness
of God.

Speaker 4 (02:07:49):
And it makes you wonder, doesn't it where the idea
that with the scripture you just said, where hell is
the place where God isn't you know? And that's what's
hell about it. That's not biblical.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
What it feels like it it's an awareness that he's
not there. But David's like, listen, look for him.

Speaker 4 (02:08:06):
He's there, right, He's everywhere. And again that used to
get me. I mean, you know, just apply a bit
of logic to this. You know that God is only
or Christ is only inside people that have prayed the
magic prayer. I thought God was omnipresent. Oh yeah, God's omnipresent,
So he's in everyone. Oh no, no, no, no, he's not everyone.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
Sometimes it takes that magic prayer to see them. And
that's it's for you. It's not for God, it's for you.

Speaker 4 (02:08:28):
It's an activation and an acknowledgement you are everywhere, and
then you see it exactly and just just these little
tweaks that just just have just revolutionized our understanding of
the scriptures, of the Gospel and of Christianity as a whole. Yeah,
I'm going to have to shoot in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
All right, man, Well, Craig, listen.

Speaker 4 (02:08:49):
I know your Facebook.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
I know man. I want to keep you forever. Man,
we've been this is good. It's a good talk. Your
Facebook's banned, right, you have no you have no read
to you. You can't even post anything. Where where can
people find you? You got you got five pages like
we've got. We need a hub, Craig needs a hub
like we're.

Speaker 4 (02:09:09):
I think I can still accept friend requests.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
Which page? Which one? What's the name of it?

Speaker 4 (02:09:17):
Okay, Well, I've got Craig Martin Walker. That's my original one.
We'd like a few, a couple of thousand people on there. Whatever.
Then I did one called just called Craig Walker. I
did one recently called Craggy Walker. And basically they've they've
all just had restrictions put on them. Because Facebook doesn't
like the truth. So the original one in six days

(02:09:42):
I'm out of prison. I'll try not to reoffend. We'll see. Yeah,
So if people just want to send it a request, well,
Craig Martin Walker one that opens up again in six days.
If people want to connect there, that's absolutely fine. I mean,
people send message is when I've done these interviews and
I just love talking to people. People have opinions, their stories.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
It's great and it's available for talks.

Speaker 4 (02:10:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
Yeah, he starts his own you know what.

Speaker 4 (02:10:14):
A few people have said that to me, like are
you going to start your own channel? And I'm like,
I don't feel like I should just yet, but I
don't know what's going to happen in the future. I
mean yeah, I mean I'm getting requests of people that
I've never met. You know, I'm doing one on Saturday
with some people just because they want a male on there,
because apparently they say, we really struggle to get males
to talk about this kind of spiritual stuff. I'm like,

(02:10:36):
I'll do it, you know, I don't mind, So I'll
talk about anything with anyone.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Yeah, yeah, i know, I'm up for anything, Like nothing
is off the table. And I think you you know,
from a Christians, Christians who kind of like get scared
of that's hold on, like you need u. You need
Christians to talk about this like from their perspective, because
if not, you're going to have Satanist talking about it,
You're going to have New Ages talking about it. Let's
listen to somebody who if from a Christian perspective, given

(02:11:02):
their honest, unbiased opinion, like here's the information, this is
what I encountered. There are both sides of the table,
there are both sides of the coin, and I acknowledge both.
Here's my experience. And so we got a champion that
as a as a Christian not to kick these people
out or stay away there listen because people are asking
questions whether you want them to or not. You know.

Speaker 4 (02:11:22):
Yeah, So now my stay is just such a good word.

Speaker 1 (02:11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:11:25):
I love that, you know, the Christ in me, the
Christ in you.

Speaker 1 (02:11:30):
You know, I'll leave you with this, Craig. I know
you got to go just with being tactful about what
we can say, and I know that's changing every day.
The Lord kind of gave me a revelation in the
Book of Revelations right where the Book of Revelation is
full of signed symbols, numbers, analogies. Like John on the

(02:11:51):
Island the Patmos like exiled. He couldn't write to you
plainly about what was going on because they were read it.
They would tear up his papers. It would never get out.
So he uses sience, symbols and analogies to explain what's
going on because his work would have been censored. He

(02:12:12):
couldn't have talked to you about the great Beasts and
Babylonians and you know this, this coming attack on on
the Jewish people and the followers of Christ like, he
couldn't have talked about that, you know, So he used
signs and symbols in order to get this really deep
information out. So I thought it was really cool, like
linking the way that John in the Book of Revelation

(02:12:35):
use signs and symbols and analogy to get these really
deep concepts out, especially where we are today with censorship.
You know what I'm saying to say, Okay, let me
You know what I'm talking about When I say that,
You know, I don't have to say that word kind
of thing. And there's there is an art to it,
you know what I'm saying. There is for those who I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:12:52):
Letting whole new codes at the moment. Definitely, Yeah, like
a wholy different language.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
Yeah for sure. Brother, Thanks for coming on man, and
I'm sure we'll do it again. We'll be on more
talks together. Brother, many blessings to you and.

Speaker 4 (02:13:06):
Thank you very much, Derek, look to you and your family.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
Thank you, Sir shal on peace bro do it again.
Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Craig Martin Walker.
Look him up on Facebook and and all that good
stuff where he's at and connect with him, connect with
like minded individuals who were doing the dog one thing.
And so you know, it is what it is. This

(02:13:31):
is growing and more people are are being open and
honest about their truth and we got to respect it.
We got to respect it, you know, even if if
we believe in it, or it's doesn't line up, or
it's another perspective. We need another perspective again. With you
know that rent I did before the analogy and allegory

(02:13:53):
and all that kind of stuff. It was like the
fact that other people are breaking down the scriptures for you.
That helps you for your awakening because you're getting a
different stance, you're getting a different, take one that you've
not heard of before, and what that does when you
hear it, first of all a lot of people, that

(02:14:14):
shocks you unless you're ready, and then you automatically resonate.
So therefore you have different teachers or different versions or
translations of the Bible that are unlocking things in you
because you're simply getting another perspective to this beautiful, ancient truth.
So to listen to people who might not even be

(02:14:36):
Christian right about the Bible, at least listen to them,
especially if they have anything good to say. Now, I
do say, be weary of those people who are only
bashing and they're here to disprove and those kind of things.
And with many of those people, you're gonna you may
have to put up with a little bit of that.
But what is built upon that foundation of Christ cannot

(02:14:57):
be shaken. It is eternal, and so you're gonna have
to put up with that and listen. Every belief system
should be shaken, every structure should be shaken to prove,
to see if you prove what you really believe, because
if it lasts, if it remains, listen, there is an
eternal truth in this and I cannot be shaken. I

(02:15:18):
can even question, and it's good and it's healthy to question,
and I can continue to do that. But it doesn't
mean questioning is bad. So that's the scary part because
we've been told that questioning, you know, proves that you're
you don't really believe in Jesus, do you, because you're
questioning if he really existed or you're questioning if he
was the Messiah. Listen. Jesus's response to any of that is, hey,

(02:15:42):
who do you say that I am? I know who?
Bill Donna Hughes says, I am, I know who? Jordan
Maxwell says, I am I know who? Carry Cassidy says,
I am I know. Joel Ostein says that I am.
Who do you say that I am? And that's when
it becomes more personal and nobody can take that away
from you. That is the pearl of great price that
is within you, your encounter. But you have to be

(02:16:05):
able to explore. You have to be able to roll
ideas and listen to conflicting beliefs. Listen. It's how you grow,
It's how we evolve, and we should be doing that.
You should ever be ever learning and ever increasing in
your knowledge of God and the bliss and how deep
and how wide that that goes. So Brenda says, every matrix,

(02:16:26):
matrix needs to be shaken. For sure. I've learned things
and been out on deep ledges, and he talks, you know,
talking about you know, going out there deep and literally
Christ was my life preserver, my life raft, and I
have to question it and some stuff scary, you know
what I'm saying, Like it is scary. It is like

(02:16:49):
I'm starting to doubt is this real? Is this? Did
Jesus exist? Am I believing a fairy tale? Do I
want this bad enough? And so it appears to me,
you know, and you got to be able to question that.
And it's scary because you kind of end up in
this place where you unlearn. And but that which is
eternal will will remain that which is true. It needs

(02:17:13):
not your defense. You know. We feel like we got
to defend what we believe and defend the Gospel and
honor God. And if we anybody talks down on our beliefs,
we have to vigilantly oppose them. And that's not the case.
But but we roll these ideas, we listen to these things,
and there's usually something better that comes from it when

(02:17:35):
something's tried, and when something's tested by fire and it
remains again, it is that of pure gold. It is
that which is eternal, is that which is beautiful. It's healthy.
It's scary, but it's healthy. So I've been there every day,
you know what I'm saying. We and there's levels to it,
you know. But but hanging on to this eternal present

(02:17:56):
truth and knowing your relationship to it, why does it
serve you? Is it a conflicting belief? Does it need
to go? Listen? No, it's serving me. It's helping me.
And I honor that. I honor that fact. So that's huge.
You can't prove it, Nope, can't. I wasn't there. Nobody

(02:18:18):
can prove it. We were never there. You know what
I'm saying. You know, and so, but but I cannot
approve what Jesus said. The fruit? What is the fruit
of said belief? What is the fruit of your prayer life?
What is the fruit of meditation? What is the fruit
of stargazing? You know? What is the fruit of reading material?
People say or is dangerous and stay away from. What

(02:18:39):
is the fruit in your life? What does it produce?
So you have to be able to judge that. With
that being said, there are many concepts that those many
of those names which I before said, that could be
dangerous stuff for a Christian because it's going to cause
you the question. But it's healthy. Doesn't mean that these
people are speaking truth about those things, but you have

(02:19:02):
to when you're a truth seeker, when you are studying
John MacAuthor, don't know everything on the scriptures, Like each
subject takes a lifetime of study. Each subject in the Bible,
each chapter, each verse, listen, each word takes a lifetime

(02:19:27):
of study. And that's why we all come together because
there's different words that reach out to us. There's different
things that we bring to the table, different beautiful, profound
personal revelations that we can share that can help people.
So understand that for the Christian, for the believer, for
the non believer too. So I look at somebody like
Jordan Maxwell and who's a dear friend of mine, and

(02:19:49):
I look up to him and appreciate his work conflicting things.
I don't believe everything he believes. You know, whatever it is,
what it is when it comes to certain things, when
it comes to the Bible, the mazaroth Astro theology, which
is astrology in the Bible. It's scary for a lot

(02:20:11):
of Christians because many people in astro theology will tell
you that the Bible is simply astrology, none of it exists,
that it is all just the story of astrology. That's
very scary, right, Oh, it didn't exist, it's not real.
But I took I made something literal that was always
just above me as an allegory. But it is embracing

(02:20:32):
the allegory. It is embracing each of the archetypes. And
to be able to see it, Jordan Maxwell shows you
that that many of these these things are ancient, and
we're in the Bible. You know, the Mazarath. What is
the Mazaroth. It's the zodiac. It is the it is
the wheel of Ezekiel, the wheel within the wheel. It

(02:20:53):
is the sun that is passing through the different houses
of the zodiac. You know, it is a wheel within
this other wheel that tests it. You know, the pulling
of the tide, the changing of the seasons, all of
that stuff. And we've been told that was demonic and
it's not in the Bible, and we should stay far away,
but hold on, like, wow, the Bible is full of
this and it's talking about O'rian, it is talking about

(02:21:17):
the Pleiades, it's talking about the Bear and the Seven
Sisters and all of these. It's full of the allegory.
And until you know that, until you won't notice until
you research it, especially from a Christian perspective, because you've
been told it's demonic, stay away the Bible, isn't it's
against astrology. Know the early saints, sinceres prophets were stargazers.

(02:21:39):
That's what the word means. So it's something little that
you hear from somebody who studied under a different school
of thought, a different belief system, that unlocks something in
you for your research, for your study, and you're able
to see that you're able to see the astrology in

(02:21:59):
the Bible, and that the Bible is full of it. Listen,
there's a reason. While the stargazers were the ones who
showed up to welcome the Messiah to the world, they
followed his star, the three wise men. You look up
the word wiseman. The original word is magi magicians, white magicians, magi,

(02:22:21):
the stargazers. It wasn't the prophets, it wasn't. It wasn't
the pastors, the preachers, the teachers, it was the magi,
the magicians, those who were trained in magic were the
ones who showed up to welcome the birth of the
Messiah and brought gifts, and that should tell you something.

(02:22:42):
And then we look into the Book of Revelation and
a lot of the symbology and things like that, and
we take it literal. You know. Again, we look at
Ezekiel's wheel, and we've been told that that's a ufo
and it's this futuristic device that's spinning, or or that
it's this mad angel, like it's a weird angel with
all these eyeballs on it, because that's how it's described.
But to really break it down and see what's going on,

(02:23:06):
it is the zodiac. It's the Mazarath. That's the word
that's used in the Bible. For those of you who
don't know if that concepts new, mazarath is used. When
you look up the meaning of the mazaroth. It is
the zodiac, It is the twelve houses, it is the
animals in the sky that's telling the story of the Messiah.

(02:23:27):
Be of good cheer because it doesn't disprove it, it
actually proves the gospel. It proves the Bible, it is
his story, his story in the stars, and so that
not the question, not the fear, but to embrace. Listen,
there's much more to this story because it was it
was behold the lamb of God, which was slain before

(02:23:50):
the foundations of the world. Where was he slain in
the cosmos? In the stars? It was his story before
the foundations of the world. It was there. And everything
testifies of God, everything testifies of its goodness. So why
wouldn't the stars, the Bible says, surely the heavens declare

(02:24:10):
the glory of God. The skies proclaim the work of
his hand. Come on, man, this is a This is
a song and dancing too, something new for a lot
of people. And then again going to Revelation, we hear
about the four living creatures, and they're these big, great
beast with wings and they're they're because they're flying, they're hovering,

(02:24:33):
and they are around the throne of God, singing, Holy, Holy,
Holy is the Lord God Almighty, continuously singing their praises.
Right here we hear about these creatures, these beasts, these
kind of angelic beings, and they're very scary and we
should honor them and things when we take it literal.
But if we look look at what these these four

(02:24:54):
living creatures are, they're living and they're moving, and they're
around the throne of God. Listen, the four living creatures
are the four fixed signs of the Zodiac. When you
go to the Book of Revelation, you read about these creatures,
and you read about what they look like and their
jobs and what they do. And then you pull up
a picture of the zodiac and the four cardinal signs

(02:25:17):
of the cross, the solar cross, of the four seasons.
Each one looks exactly like one of the creatures. The
head of a man, the head of an ox, the
head of an eagle, and I believe it's the head
of a lion. So you read in Revelations of these
creatures that are around the throne of God. The sun right,

(02:25:38):
and the sun is passing through this And I don't
know why I went on this deep brand about that,
about the zodiac, and but it's beautiful to me. It
unlocks something in you when you've never heard this stuff
and you're not hearing it from from Christians, you're not
here in church. But it takes somebody like Jordan Maxwell

(02:25:59):
to unlock that fur you to show you that because
he's been studying it his whole life. From a different perspective,
from an outside outsider's perspective, from a teaching perspective, Dinah
Spy says Chris Carter teaches on the Masa Wrath on
Kingdom Talks and Kingdom Talks as well, exactly. But you

(02:26:21):
have to understand where they got it from. You have
to understand, and we need to go. We need to
pay homage. We need to say thank you to these people.
We need to say thank you to Jordan Maxwell. We
don't just need to take their work and just keep
sharing it and expounding, which we're gonna do. There's no
way we can trace it back. But Jordan Maxwell has

(02:26:44):
been talking about this for twenty you know, over twenty
thirty years, maybe more. So we have to give our roses.
We have to let these people know that we're thankful
for what they brought and have brung to the table,
versus stealing their work and going with it. And I
honor Chris Carter. I've never heard Chris to mention Jordan Maxwell,
but absolutely that work. He may not know it, but

(02:27:06):
it's inspired by Jordan Maxwell. So everybody in the chat
here saying thank you Jeorde Maxwell. Amen. He wrote the
forward in my book. I love Jordan Maxwell. I honor
him for what he brought to the table and what
he continues to bring to the table. In that regard.
Chris Carter's doing our webinar tonight. We got a webinar
with Chris Carter. Again, I'm really big into that, but

(02:27:28):
I know that the problem with that for many Christians
is that when you name drop, when you name these people,
you scare people. You scare them. Listen, Tonight we're doing
a webinar on the elementals and the angels with Chris Carter. Now,

(02:27:50):
many people are studying the elementals, many people are studying
the angels. I thought I was an expert, you know.
I wrote about my experiences with elemental beings and fairies
and and uh and and and shades and things like that,
and you kind of feel like an expert just because
you've had an experience. Listen, we all do. Everybody's an expert,

(02:28:11):
at least they think they are. But it's not until
you learn more and you're like, wow, there's so much
I didn't know. And then we get into the work
of Madam Blovotsky, Helena Patna Blovotsky. And then I'm doing
my research and writing my book and just I'm sorry
reading about Blovotsky and see what she said about the elementals,
and listen, where is this stuff? This stuff? Blovotsky wrote it.

(02:28:34):
Blovotsky made this stuff famous. She got it from all
the world religions and brought it together and taught it.
And and when you mentioned her name, you automatically scare people,
automatically scare people. She was a charlatan, she was a fraud.
I have friends that I that I care deeply about
who saved Jordan Maxwell is a fraud, and they want
to expose him. And hold on, we got to honor

(02:28:55):
the stuff these people brought to the table. We gotta
honor it. We have to. We need to pay homage
for the work, the dedication, because it took a lifetime
of these people studying this stuff that they bring to us.
When it comes to elemental beings and fairies and nymphs,
and there's so many the ones that aren't even popular,
we don't even know about. There's a list of them

(02:29:16):
that I put in my book that I got from Blovotsky,
somebody put a neck out there to bring this stuff
to the West, to remind us of the secret life
of these beings and how they interact. So I do
understand that most of us don't know where it came from.
You know, we hear Chris Carter say it. Oh, we
hear truth Seekerts say it. And unless we tell you,

(02:29:38):
nobody knows. But when it comes to a lot of
this stuff from Christian Christian perspective, it is scary because
the moment I say, Jordan Maxwell, you know, a lot
of Christians are turning off even bigger the moment we
say Helena Blovotsky, you're turning it off, not even to
acknowledge and honor the God things that they brought. And

(02:30:01):
so that needs to change. That needs to change for sure.
And I've I've made sure to do that, and I
try to you know, it makes for a longer conversation,
It makes for a longer point, but I try to reference, hey,
with this came from this guy's work. Amazing, make sure
you look it in. But he says this, and I
believe this, so I'm gonna add to it. So there's
many and it would be impossible to continuously do that

(02:30:25):
and all this, but but for sure we want to
make sure we get we give credit and stuff. So
and on top of that, the caveat is not you know,
sometimes people don't know. Maybe maybe you know how many
times removed it is from Jordan Maxwell to uh, Chris
Carter to myself to Kingdom Talks, you know again like

(02:30:48):
Kingdom Talks. Pretty sure got it from Chris Carter. You
know what I'm saying, this study in the in the
Beauty of the Mazaroth and the stars and and and
the beings and all of that kind of stuff. And
Kingdom Talks may not know anything about Jordan Maxwell and
then listen. That's just how the information works. It is
part of it. But if you do know, if you
do know, man, give credit, give credit. And maybe I'll

(02:31:09):
ask Chris Carter tonight. Chris Carter knows a lot more
than he says. I'll say that I know that. Hopefully
tonight in the smaller, smaller webinars that we're doing with him,
he'll uh, he'll share some of that. But yeah, man,
that's how we progress, you know what I'm saying, like progress,

(02:31:32):
you know deeper. Yeah, So the information on on the
Chris Carter webinar tonight. It is hosted by the Mystic
Circle on that platform right now, so go to Themistic
Circle dot net. It is at seven pm Central tonight.
It's gonna be good. Chris Carter is amazing. He has
his own take. You know, I'm not knocking Chris Carter's

(02:31:53):
experience because it is coupled with the work of Jordan Maxwell.
It is coupled with the knowledge of h plus people
of Otsky and Manly p. Hall, whose names will forever
be on my lips. So I want to make sure
I say that in my work is giving homage. My
early albums were dedicated to these people's work. It is
to try to find a way to use their audio

(02:32:15):
samples in my music, you know, so that people would say, hey,
who is that, and you would ask deeper and you
would get into their original work and all of this.
So I will say that, but give your roses to
people while they're here. Give your roses to people while
they're here. And so people are saying link in the
chat please, I'm gonna type it. So it's just www

(02:32:41):
dot v Mystic Circle dot net. It is. It is tonight,
And if you're not able to catch it. Most of
you who are listening to this on the podcasting apps,
this will be after the fact, but you guys can
listen to the replay. So all the replays are there.
There are about there are seven webinars that are posted

(02:33:02):
right now and listen. All of them were something good.
All of them were something like really really deep that
I learned a lot and I got to engage and
I got to learn about angels, and I got to
learn about numbers, and I got to learn about channeling
and receiving information and that kind of thing. And so
I definitely honor those people and their work. That's how

(02:33:24):
we progress, that's how we move forward. And it's pretty
much it, you know, just those points that I want
to get out and take it and share it, take
it and learned from it, taking and run with it.
You know. Thank you guys for watching, Thank you guys
for listening. Thank you guys for supporting. Every share, every retweet,

(02:33:49):
every message, every tag, every donation, every Patreon, every webinar
that somebody joins, like it really means the world to
me that people are engaging and resonating with a lot
of this work, which is weird, which is far out
weich just find the others. But there's a reason why

(02:34:10):
why people resonate and engage with it. And I just
want to say that every all of it is amazing.
I'm grateful for everything that you can do. We understand
that not everybody can support financially, not everybody can can
attend and be a patrin and all that kind of stuff.
There's different levels of that, for sure. We try to
make it work like any any level of giving can

(02:34:32):
tie into it. But even those who aren't able to
do that, I just want to say thank you, and
you know we are I want to be just you know.
The message behind this stuff, you know it is. It
is presence, It is mindfulness, it is awe, it is

(02:34:53):
wonder it is it's not escapism, but it's about contemplation
on God and the things of God and how beautiful
this world is, how beautiful this experience is, how beautiful
you are, how fearfully and wonderfully made you are, and
how connected you are to the sun, and you're connected
to the stars and connected to each other and connected

(02:35:15):
to the seasons and and and everything. It's so good,
you know, And you bring all of that into your meditation,
into your prayer into your mindfulness it It makes it a
lot more fun, it's more interactive. So I will I

(02:35:35):
will say that, but it is about being present. Bring
it into the now moment. Listen. That's where the magic is.
It's in the now. It's not in tomorrow. It's not
what we're doing tonight, it's not in yesterday. But it
is in this moment. Enjoy every moment, Embrace every moment,
Live every moment, and treat it special. Every moment is sacred,

(02:36:01):
Every moment is holy. Thank you for the donation. AfD says,
I love you, bro, thank you. Every every moment is special.
Every moment is sacred. With yourself, with God, with the elements,
with your families, with your friends, with your enemies, your
arguments and your disagreements, and listen, everything is sacred. I

(02:36:24):
know that all life is sacred. This is the truth
that I perceive. Learn to share what we have and
then there's no need for greed. You have to bring
it into the moment, Cherish everything. There's a beautiful song
by Tim McGraw and it's essentially about a person who's
diagnosed with cancer and that moment which seems like doom

(02:36:46):
and gloom seemed like a moment that they were born again.
They were living each moment from from that that point
like it was their last. Live like you're dying. I mean,
it talks about do the things that I've always wanted
to do, see in the things that I've always wanted
to see, Tell my lover of the things that I've
always wanted to tell them, Tell my children that I

(02:37:09):
embrace them and I honor them and teach them. And
what if I wasn't here, what do I want to
exp that person to remember me by an experience, Not
to get caught up in your feelings or emotion, but
to be present, because it's about presence. It is about
the now moment. And so that song is just a
reminder to live in the moment, live every day like
it's your last. Listen, you're not promised tomorrow. We live

(02:37:34):
in uncertain times. You're not promised tomorrow, but you are
promised this moment right here, this moment now, which means
more than anything. Be present in your conversations with your family,
pay attention, honor those among you, because you don't know

(02:37:55):
when you're not going to have it again. And that's
the biggest, the biggest thing is you know, you know,
sometimes you don't know what you had until it's gone.
You didn't know how bad you were going to miss
something or someone until they're gone, and I don't you know.
Obviously this isn't about bad news or the state of

(02:38:16):
the world, and in this case to you know, glorify
any of that. But we are living in uncertain times.
We've always been ten years ago. We weren't promised tomorrow.
Today we're not promised tomorrow. So nothing's changed on that front.
The awareness and the love and the spirituality that is

(02:38:37):
in a moment that was then and it's being called
to now. You may you know, these concepts are new
for many people at Cartli. Being present, mindful in the moment,
take it with you. You're not promised tomorrow. You don't
missed the simplicity of a breath until you don't have it,

(02:39:04):
whether you're not here anymore or you get a sickness
that takes away your breath. You know, things become real
when it when when when it when it strikes at home,
when it becomes closer to home, Then it becomes real
live in that moment. It's the beauty of a breath.

(02:39:26):
It is the power and the spirituality of the breath.
To focus on the breath, where did it come from?
Go into a meditation and follow it, breathe in, and
then follow it as a trail, as a portal, as
a doorway back to the giver of the breath. The
beauty of the breath and the heartbeat. You know, my

(02:39:48):
two vehicles into the spirit world, into the beauty, beauty
and the awe and wonder of God is the breath,
and it is the heartbeat. There's something physical, something tangible
that I have that I can I can I can
focus on and say thank you for and and they
become portals and vehicles into the spirit. It's other things too.

(02:40:08):
It's my family, it's it's my wife, it's my health,
it's my job, it's my music, it's my creativity, it's
my friends, it's my enemy. It you know, it becomes
more things as we become more more mindful. But there's
power in that. There's power in that. So I just
want to just remind you, you know, tell people that

(02:40:29):
you love them, people in your circle, you appreciate them.
We have people, you know, falling all around us. People
are passing away all around us right now. Every day,
I'm losing someone because of this situation that we're dealing
with in the world. I'm losing somebody from it every day,

(02:40:50):
somebody beautiful, somebody who I have memories of and memories with,
and and it's it's happened in fact, and I'm not
the only one. We're in the same boat together. You
never know when you're going to breathe your last breath.
We explore that concept so much on this show Death Eternity.

(02:41:18):
What happens when we go, Well, we can try to
be experts on what happens when we go and what's
happening in the world, or we can just try to
be a good steward of our time and our energy.
And that's the only thing we can do. So I
just want to remind you guys, listen, I lost my
cousin this morning, just a few years older than me.

(02:41:40):
Two three years older than me. Greg Gibson lost his
battle with COVID. You know, people we've gone to church
with they're dying. You know, they're having complications breathing. There's
an attack on the breath, there's an attack on the lungs.

(02:42:02):
And so embrace people each moment, each second, because in
the moment, in the now, there is eternity. You are eternal.
In the moment, You're always gonna have it the eternal moment.

(02:42:24):
Speak healing. Let's try to manifest some some some healing
for people. You know, we've been manifesting some cool stuff
jobs and and spouses and and and finances and things
and and and we've we've manifested healings too. But let's
let's tap in together, guys, when you hear about somebody
who's having complications, and let's let's do some alchemy. Man,

(02:42:48):
let's tap in. Let's alchemize the situation. Let's use what
the enemy meant for evil. It's God will in turn
and use it for good. You know, I believe we
have the power to tap in and co create with God. Listen,
That's what all this this entire talk has been about
co creating the life that you want for yourself, for

(02:43:11):
your children, and for your enemies. Man's when their compassions
move for your enemy. Will you really know that I'm woke?
You're woke? Not when you figured out the plans of
the Illuminati and the plans of the global elite. No,
you ain't woke. You're just watching documentaries when your heart

(02:43:33):
extends for your enemies and you want to see them blessed.
You want to see the people that you disagree with blessed.
Come on, y'all, it's time for you guys to stand up.
I love each and every one of you. Man, Take
care of yourselves out there. Get some good vitamins in you. Man,
Do breath work, Put your feet on the ground. Let

(02:43:55):
that energy enter you, man, Let it raise your frequency.
Let it take you to new levels, new heights that
you've never before dreamed at all in that wonder, that
compassion to flow out in everything that you touch and
everything that you do. Bring it into the now moment. Listen,
that's the power. I love you guys in Jesus' name, man,
and we're gonna do this, hopefully for a lot a

(02:44:16):
lot longer. And with that, I'm gonna say peace in
shaloon Man, many blessings. Guys, those of you who want
to will be on tonight with the School of the
Mystics and we'll be doing breath work Sunday morning meditation,
going deep in the Lord. Love you guys. We'll do
it again. Shalom so.

Speaker 4 (02:44:35):
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