Unmasking the New Age Deception: The Dark Truth Behind Aliens and Demons with Destiny Lab

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Without further ado, We're gonna go ahead and jump into
today's discussion. Today, my guest is Arc from the hip
hop group Destiny lab Art.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Welcome to the Truth Seeker Podcast. My friend, how are you?

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Thank you so much for having me. Man, appreciate it.
I'm doing good.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Good to finally connect with you. Man.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
Been seeing your work for years and we have an
overlapping audience with the music and the subject matter and
all that stuff. So never talk with you guys, and
so we're gonna do it for the first time, One
Camera Man Live podcast.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Absolutely, bro, I appreciate it. It's been looking forward to this,
and yeah, I've been checking out your podcast, your music,
and yeah, we definitely have a lot of stuff in commons,
So looking forward.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
To this for sure for sure.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
So I want to picky brain about the subject matter, music,
hip hop, all that good stuff. And again, let's just
start out just for people who don't know who you are,
what you do. Just kind of give a brief overview
the music, your podcast, you know, your experiences, whatever you
want to do, just a brief intro.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
We'll start there.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Okay. Yeah, I'm the MC for the group Destny Lab.
It's just a two man group. I'm the MC and
my friend Genetics he makes all the beats. We've been
making music together since the early nineties, but officially started
making music about the subjects that we talk about now
about in ninety eight. Officially formed Destey Lab in two

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thousand and four and actually started, you know, putting albums
out stuff like that. So basically I make music about
all the kind of things that you talk about on
your podcast, you know, UFOs, aliens, a paranormal realm. I
talked about sleep paralysis, I talk about secret societies, creation

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versus evolution, you know, the paneo gland form of Kia,
all these kind of things, the New wage, all these
types of things that kind of I've experienced in my
life is what I talk about. And I basically came
from a Christian upbringing where I but I was always
into the weird and paranormal and odd stuff. I actually

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became started making special effects makeup and making masks and
doing creature effects when I was around fifteen and moved
from a very small town to a Los Angeles and
really got caught up in a big story there. I mean,
I don't know if you want to get into all that,
but I went through a lot of experiences that were

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outside of you know, the norm, got caught up with
in kind of the New Age and going to a
lot of Grateful Dead concerts, taking psychedelics, going to a
lot of like a New Age type of gatherings. But
I always consider myself still a Christian. But I started
putting a lot of pieces of these puzzles together as

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far as asking deeper questions about what these things I
was seeing people saying and claiming within the New Age
and and sort of channeling information. Comparing it to the
study that I was doing into alien abductions, because I
was another huge thing I was into because I was
creating aliens. I was studying alien abduction stories because I
wanted to make the most like realistic aliens, you know,

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I could, And that was I wanted to like be abducted.
So I was kind of kind of just skimming the
line there and stuff of like of what the balancing
act between good and evil a little bit, and not
that that those people are evil, but I think there's
a lot of people. My search has always just been
for truth, like you a truth seekert, and that's kind

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of what our music is about, fundamentally, is searching for
truth and asking all the tough questions, you know. So
that's it in that show. I mean, I can go
a lot deeper now.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, Yeah, we'll go into some of those stories and
stuff for sure.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
So I guess my next question would be, you know,
where did the fascination with this stuff come from?

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Did it come from.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
Having experiences as a child of waking up and having
sleep paralysis? Obviously speaking on it like there's a you know,
if you've experienced that, you want you want to speak
on it. Did you have experiences as a kid. Was
it just through studying research that just kind of bled
over into the art form and your music or what
like lit a passion in you to talk about this stuff.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
It was a few things, you know, I had, you know,
strange experience as a kid, I think, like anybody else,
seeing shadow beans or whatever and not knowing if it
was a dream or not. I never necessarily have experienced
deep sleep paralycess. I have been paralyzed in my dreams,
but not waking up being able to look around but
not see. But my wife has, and I've got a

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lot of stories about that and that how that affect
our family. But what got me into it when at
a young age is I actually my mom's family comes
from a Masonic background, seeing we always had these weird
like Masonic swords and weird helmets and all this paraphernalia
that she inherited from her great grandfather. And so I

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was always asking questions that kind of had me interested
in the secret societies and that type of thing. And
then at a very young age, we my brother and
I discovered a Satanic ritual site within about a half
a mile from our house. And this was on a
gravel driveway at what they called like people called like

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the hell hole. Like people go out there and drink
and party, and it was a siphon two that went
connected to a canal and went deep underground. It was
like a cave, but it was all metal. And this
is in the Boise, Idaho, a realm area and a
small small actually neighborhood off that area about an hour

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from Boising, but it's right on the Idaho Oregon border.
But it was a we were coming around a corner
and this was this kind of weird. This happened on
Easter morning that we found this, and so the previous
night there were basically a Satanic group of people out there.
We saw a cat, a cat on the ground that

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like gutted from head to toe and then we were like, oh,
that's weird, and had a rope runs neck and we
came around the corner and saw another one and we're like,
what the heck, and so we went We knew the
beer cans, and we went down there and we saw
like just a bunch of scratchings on the wall of
like uh, you know, pentagrams and things like that. We
went down deeper into it and actually found an altar

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that had set up with an upside down cross and
a cat gutted, a third cat duck gutted and duct
taped to this cross, and there were candles. There was
a letter and read calligraphy type of writing talking about this.
It was like a ceremony of initiation type of thing
for someone that they had to go through this, and

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we called the sheriff and they came out and took everything.
But it really opened my eyes to seeing that this
stuff was real, and from then that point I was
always I was about probably about eleven twelve years old
at that point when we discovered that, So it really
opened me up and just man, this stuff's real. Even
in small towns, there's people into evil stuff that actually

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do this stuff, and so it you know, it just
blew me away. So that kind of exposed me to
all these kinds of things. And then I, like I said,
I was already into aliens, creating monsters, all these kinds
of things. So I just was caught up in that.
And then when I went to Los Angeles, I you know,
got involved with some different people that were into weird stuff,
you know, and just saw some some weird things. Firsthand.

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I saw some people with the Ouiji boards and they
called it go to the corner and made the lights flicker,
all kinds of kind of strange paranormal things like that.
And then going to Grateful Dead concerts, I could feel
spirits around me literally, I mean, you could feel something
walking by you, just you know, a rush of you know,
of something very dark. And so I began to put

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these pieces the puzzle together. And when I was studying
the alien abductions and also creation evolution, that was another
thing I studied, and how there seemed to be this
this calling for that we are all evolving to this
higher power and we're all belonging to this point that
we at some point will be gods ourselves, which is
kind of a claim through the New Age movement, the

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kind of the original sin or the I am God movement.
And it's a fine line there, because that's what that's
what Satan doesn't inverts the truth in my opinion, you know,
because we are all Suns, the daughters of God who
made the image of God. God is Omni present in
all places, and we can call on the Holy Spirit
that dwells within us. All these things can be inverted

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in a way and counterfeit in a way to make
you the God. And that it's all because of you
and your power, yourself, and so these things I began
to recognize and I and throughout all this time, I
was also making hip hop music. By the way, so
at a very young age, I was making rap music
with my friends all the time. Is just memorizing songs

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and just doing it for fun. I never necessarily set
out to do it for you.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Influences with music, I.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Would say just a lot. Like Third Base was one
of my main influences in the early nineties. I loved
the Third Base for whatever reason. But I'd say, you know,
run DMC. I really was really into kind of KMD,
some weird kind of offshoots of underground music. I got

(16:55):
really into more underground music in the nineties. You know,
listening to A Dirt and some Christian hip hop artists. Uh,
there were spin offs of that group, and so I've always.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Been wasn't Dirt on uh Breathed Babylon by Pod on
the Brown album?

Speaker 5 (17:17):
You know, I'm not sure he may have been He's
with the Shadow of the Locusts his.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Crew breath, I think, yeah, yeah, he's on there.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Okay, Yeah he's he's that's all I know. Friend of mine. Yeah,
he's he's good MC And I love that style, kind
of the grimy hip hop, and so I was always
a fan of that and just kind of memorize different songs.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
And that's interesting, man, because I can hear like similarities
in in your style now that I'm thinking of that
guy's cadence and his in his voice inflection and stuff,
and and yours stands out too. I see some similarities
there for sure.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
Yeah. Yeah. Cyprescil was also a huge, huge fan of Cypersil.
Some people think I sound like be Real. Sometimes I
kind of switch it up depending on the song, you know,
of how I feel. I always set out when I
hear make a beat, like what would I want to
you know, if I was listening to rap, what I
wanted what would I want it to sound like? And
I basically try to emulate that sore, But I I

(18:15):
can't say that I've necessarily like lived the lifestyle and
all that kind of stuff, so I've necessarily not necessarily
even wanted to be the center of attention, which has
always kind of been uh an issue for me. I
don't necessarily like doing live performances. I have done a
lot of live performances, but it's not necessarily a big
calling for me. I feel, I mean, I'll do it,
but it's uh. I have problems remembering lyrics, but you know,

(18:38):
it's just being on stage, and I'm sure over time
I can figure out. But I've mainly done online and
doing interviews like this, and then you know, trying to
be a link in the chain for people. My my
goal has always been not for self promotion. It's always
been reaching out to other people and using I was

(18:58):
convicted to make this music. Literally, I felt convicted because
I felt like, man, I know about all this stuff.
I was listening to Christian hip hop realm and nobody's
really talking about these things, and I felt like, you know,
if somebody's not going to do it, I will I guess,
you know, I mean, this is kind of my calling
and my journey because I went through these things. So
I felt kind of called to do it and officially

(19:20):
formed Dussie Why in two thousand and four, although it
was making a few songs just you know, randomly with
friends that were you know, about Christianity.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
And yeah, like it's a little bit deeper subject matter,
I know in the Christian realm. I guess I would
think one of the first ones to do it was
like Basil, at least to blow up. You remember Basil,
the Christian rapper without over Money. Well he did that
first one. He was a secular rapper and did the
song about jay Z being a Mason, and he just
did the secular He was cursing in it and everything too.

(19:50):
But that, like that that song blew up on the
early days of YouTube, I would say, And and uh
so he became a Christian rapper like off of this
of this exposing jay Z as being a Mason and
a Masonic rituals and stuff like that. But he was
the first one that kind of gave that stuff a uh,
you know, a platform from the Christian realm.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
I guess I'm like you.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
I've had been doing it in the underground, and you
know a few people here and there listening. They're talking
about Masons and going into the symbolism on the money
and rituals and all that kind of stuff. But when
somebody big does it, then it gives it this this validation.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Like oh, yeah, we've always known about this, you.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Know, yeah, yeah, no doubt. It seems like, you know,
I found out there were a lot of Christian rappers
who actually were Masons, and so it really kind of
blew my mind.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
Well, a lot of pastors once you start speaking on this,
so you found that the pastors are Mason and it's
tied to the money, and it's like, oh wow, now
you know you've got an enemy.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of
people who I think are good people who are Masons.
You know, you got got a certain point where we
understand that you're just basically a pawn in the.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Game, you know, but when you first find out about that,
you're just like you're just a pig in a parlor.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
You're cutting everybody's head off. You're Mason. You got to ring,
you got the symbolism worship, and then people like, oh,
who's this guy? You know, you make a lot of enemies,
at least I did for sure. We were yeah, yeah, man,
I was very outspoken when I found out about that stuff.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean, you know, I made
songs about the Bohemian Grove and all these things, and
I started trying to talk about these things without the
Christian artists. Hey, nobody's doing this. I'm trying to. They
were just look at me like, what are you talking about?
You know, what is all the stuff you talk aliens
and the occult and super societies and what does this
have to do with Christianity? And they just couldn't get it.

(21:39):
And I thought I could like shot my music around
and get signed or something. And now I look back, thinking, man,
that was crazy. There's no way nobody's gonna sign me.
So that's why I came out. In my first albums,
I came out was like a double album because I'd
been sitting on so many songs, just making songs, but
not necessarily compiling it into an album. So you know,

(22:00):
that's where I think. In twenty twelve, it was my
first album, it was The Evolution Antidote or twenty ten. Actually,
I came out with The Evolution Antidote and Original Sin
like at the same time and so and both albums
had like seventeen songs on them, so it's a it's
kind of a double album.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Nice. Nice. Nice.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
Let's get back to the Hollywood thing, because you were
kind of in the middle of telling the story.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Why yeah, we give you a little bit.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
So what was the big, big thing that you've seen
just being around all those people and tapping in through
through that.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Well, it was just the experience, you know. One of
the things that happened was one of the first movies
I worked on was called The lawnmower Man. And I
don't know if you've seen that movie. Yeah, but The
lawnmower Man, it's all about transhumanism. It's all about using
and which is a big thing I talked about my
music with the Creation, evolution, and the occult, all these things,
because it's all interconnects, but transhumanism and using transhumanism to

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download through basically alchemical symbols and flashy light into a
guy that was mentally challenged and turning into a super
person who thought he was his own god in the end.
And so I was kind of exposed to this that
kind of thing. In the second movie I worked on,
it was a movie called Demonic Toys, and it was

(23:14):
all about toys becoming in spirits, coming into them and
then then coming alive and tacking people, and so it's
kind of yeah, yeah, exactly. I worked on the place
it made Baby Oopsie Daisy. I actually sculpted a lot
of those characters. Yeah, so, uh so I did all
the teeth for the Jack Lantern and the and the

(23:37):
uh Jack in the Box and the uh yeah, full Moon,
Full Moon. They've got a lot of you know, crazy
puppet Master, all those kinds of movies. But yeah, Demonic Toys,
I worked on that, and uh and a few other
kind of low budget things you probably don't even know,
but it's it's kind of opened my mind that this

(23:57):
stuff is like, yeah, that's kind of weird. They're talking
about the stuff and mute and movies and what is
the connection. I was already into aliens and stending abductions
and channeled information and so it really just started putting
all these pieces of the puzzle together.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
And then I found a VHS like series. It was
all like from an occult perspective about the Atlantis, Limuria,
and the Great White Brotherhood of Enlightenment. It literally has
videos of like people going into these gold pyramids that
are literally doing all these occult rituals. And I still

(24:31):
have these VHS tapes to this day. But it was
up from a guy called himself the Prophet Eliyah, and
it's it's some creepy stuff and made me realize, Wow,
this stuff's real too, just like this, you know, satanic
ritual stuff.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
So yeah, wow, when I was you there, videos kind
of lagged up.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
You there all right, just trying to see if you're
still with us. Shout out to everybody in the chat.
I see you guys. So I'm going to kind of
kill some time to Art gets back on with us.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
Christy Johnson would up, Stephanie Jones, Hey, my friend Adriana.
Good to see you, April Facebook user Devin what's up Devin,
Gothic Mystic Simone and Richie. So, yeah, when you're doing
a live show sometimes you have technical difficulties. So maybe
he'll be back with us in a second. Let me

(25:34):
pull up my zoom meeting info just to see and
if anybody has any questions, whether it's for me or
for Arc just type them there in the chat and
we'll get to them eventually. Like I said, I know
we have an overlapping audience and a lot of people
send me Destiny Lab videos and comment on my YouTube with.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Their videos and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
So it's really cool that we finally got to talk,
like for years. I've known who these guys were for years.
The reason we're doing a Wednesday show is because Kingdom
Talks hit me up. Gil hit me up and invited
me to their conference coming up. So well, they have
a conference or a retreat, so I'll be there tomorrow.

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So I didn't know what time it was, so I
was like, I didn't want to cancel this interview. Didn't
want to cancel this talk, so I made sure that
we got together and made it happen today so that
we can make it happen.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
So here we are, so I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Also, it's kind of crazy. I'm getting invited to all
these retreats like in the same day. So I'm going
to that retreat with Gil Hodges and Adena and Kingdom Talks,
and then I'm going to the Kirby Dellantero retreat. He
has a five day retreat. Don't know if I'm doing
all five days, but I'm going to hang out with everybody,

(26:53):
meet everybody, and see what Spirit has for me. Who knows,
Maybe there three months, you never know, but I'm be going.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
To that that's in.

Speaker 6 (27:02):
Destin, and then also right after that that kind of
like tails it into our retreat that we're doing here
in Mobile, Alabama. So we're going to be doing a
lot of retreats this month. And it's really cool again
for the support that everybody who listens to this show
and supports financially and just the part of what we're doing.

(27:22):
Because I remember a time where, you know, working a
nine to five job driving a truck, there was no
way that I could do anything extra curricular if it
wasn't on a Saturday night. The only way if it's
a Saturday Friday night, if I got back early enough.
But some of those nights, getting back driving those long shifts,
there was no way that I can, you know, be
a part of that. So when people are inviting me

(27:43):
to stuff during the week, and this is what I do,
so I'm able to make it. So I'm actually excited
about going and connecting with Gil and aDNA and not
only them. Cindy call Pepper and Brian called Pepper is
going to be there. I think what's his name, Steve,
Steve the music Singing Bulls guy, Steve Hampton's gonna be there.

(28:08):
I think Daniel Cook's gonna be there. So all the
people in this area and then the Kirby one like
Nico is gonna be there. He invited me to stay
with him, Nico Morales, y'all know, I'm good friends with him.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
And also Jeffrey and Jamie Moody.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
Invited me as well, so I'll get to meet my people.
It's good in person. That's what it's about. We love
the Internet, but when we get to meet in person,
you gotta make it happen.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
You got to do it.

Speaker 6 (28:38):
So that's going on. And again it's gonna tee into
our retreat that I'm hosting on May the first. We're
gonna tap into energy. It's gonna be good. It's gonna
be real good. Someone said, Christie says, my dreads are
getting long. Yes, they are getting pretty long. They just
kind of do their own thing and they grow, such
as the kingdom. It's growth right, letting it do its thing.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
So what else do we got going on. Let's see
my album. I'm working on it. It's going to be
coming out soon.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
They'll probably be like some kind of pre order for
a autograph copy and maybe some stickers or a T
shirt or something like that with like an exclusive T shirt.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
With the pre order.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
So that'll be released soon.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
And let me get this thing here. So April says,
loved your book. Oh, thank you, appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
If you don't have a copy, you can go to
truth sego dot com and get you a copy physical copy,
or the audiobooks are available as well. Got to do
that quick plug Spirit, realm Angels, Demon Spirits, and the
Sovereignty of God Forward by Jordan Maxwell. So if you
do not have a copy, make sure that you go
pick up one or get the audiobook and listen to

(29:58):
me read it to you for four and a half hours.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
I think it is. Yeah, check it out. Are you there? Man?
Are you back? Yea? All good?

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Kind of interesting how that happens right when we talk
about it's not the first time that's happened. Talking about
demonic toys.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
Yeah, and the lawnmower man and computers and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, dude,
speaking of like finding a site where they were doing
rituals and stuff. I remember you were young too, That's
why I asked, like, I don't think I was eleven yet.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
I probably I was probably like nine or something.

Speaker 6 (30:43):
But I remember riding through the neighborhood with some friends
and coming upon this house that had a bunch of
bunch of stuff outside piled up like.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
In the garbage can.

Speaker 6 (30:53):
But then it was like overflowing, like bags beside it
and stuff, and there was stuff outside, and so we
were kids riding by it and we went to go
check it out because it looked I think they were
moving out the house or something. So we go over there, Hey,
are you able to turn your your camera back on?

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Is it not?

Speaker 6 (31:12):
And so so so we go over there to this
uh trash heap and there's books in there and stuff.
So we pick up books and there's these weird relics
and swords and stuff like that, and we're kids, we
don't know what it is. When we open it up
and there's it's like the Satanic book. There's like all
these pictures of I remember one picture specifically of a

(31:32):
naked woman on a cross and she had like a
wolf were wolf head and it was just all these
detailed artworks of this demoniorus, pentagrams on fire and just
rituals in there.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
And we were kids. We're like, what is this stuff?

Speaker 6 (31:45):
And I was already I was into that stuff anyway,
as far as like horror movies and stuff. Anyway, So
we're looking at this and we there's this feeling like, oh,
this is weird.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
What is this?

Speaker 6 (31:54):
And somebody's like, put it down, man, We're not supposed
to be messing with that, Like, no, this is crazy.
And so next door to the house there was another
house with a rockwaller that was behind a lattice fence,
so it's like a wood wooden lattice fence, and he's
barking at us.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
He's angry, and so we're like, got this weird feeling
like hey, we're not supposed to be doing this, and
this dog is like trying to attack us through this
wooden lattice but he can't get to us.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
We're turning the pages looking at this creepy stuff, and
all of a sudden, that dog.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Jumps through the lattice. He busts through it like Kujo
on a movie.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
He jumps through at us.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
It you know, shatters and goes everywhere, but he jumps
up and out, but his chain wasn't long enough, so
he was still chained up in the lattice and it
caught him by his neck. And the dog is sitting
there strangling out while we have this satanic paraphernalia. We're like,

(32:54):
what the heck the dog's strangling and we're kids, we
know we're doing something we're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
We just run off, so I guess the dog dies.
So in my mind, it's like we're a part of
some kind of weird like satanic ritual sacrifice of just
touching the stuff and it happening. But you're talking about
like having weird experiences as a kid man and finding
some paraphernalia that I'm sure was using some type of

(33:19):
ritual or something.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Man.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
So that's an interesting story.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Woman.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
Yeah, I never seen anything like it was crazy, but
but it definitely you know the movies, man, And I still,
I'm gonna be honest, I still like a good horror movie.
I still like something that switch to like take you
on a roller coaster ride and invoke fear but then
give you some you know, relief to comedic relief, even
like in a movie, and so I really love that.

(33:46):
But I think a lot of that stuff opened up
doors for me as a kid man of you know,
wanting it to be real and the supernatural. And I
think a lot of that stuff opened me up to
getting into the occult, getting into things and wanting to
wanting it to be real. And I remember growing up
as you know, turning thirteen or so and then kind

(34:07):
of like giving up on it.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, it's just fake. Get a stuff's all in the movie.
You can't shoot fire out your hand, you can't.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
All these supernatural aliens are fake. You know, all this
stuff is fake. And then something clicked and I found
another book saying, no, this stuff's real, you know, and that,
but you have to tap in through the occult to
get to it, like yeah, And so I did, and
I started contacting entities and reading the Satanic Bible, reading
an Economicon, really being a student of all of it,

(34:34):
trying it all.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Just to see what would work.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
And man, I ended up getting possessed, dude, like really
like almost losing my mind at sixteen from doing all
of these occult seances and rituals and asking demons to
reveal themselves to me. And asking spirit guides and just
asking really whatever was out there that wanted to say hello,
and it's like none of it worked until it all

(34:59):
worked at the same time, and I would there was
like I was insane, Like I was getting pulled in
out of trances in the middle of the day watching TV.
And they would speak foreign languages too. It was it
was scary, it was demonic, and I had been a
Christian a few years before that filled with the Holy Spirit,
and that's the only thing that that gave me solace.

(35:20):
And I knew that I had to repent. I knew
how I had to get my life right with God.
And that was in two thousand that I made that
decision to give my life back to Christ. And I
knew it was either that or the psychiatric ward. You
know what I'm saying, because I was seeing stuff that
other people couldn't see it and I had no control
over it whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
So yeah, that's my story.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
You know, that's that's amazing, man, because yeah, I mean,
I think there's a lot of people like that that
get caught up in these kind of things, you know,
and some people have you know, I came from a
pretty solid Christian foundation so to me, I felt like, Okay,
I'm like a spy and infiltrating this, I'm going to
gather information. And I you know, I was taking drugs,

(36:01):
and I was, but I was would never go deep
into that. It was in a room where they did
ruigi board. I would want to observe this stuff, but
I never actually got into it. And but I was more,
you know, just by taking drugs and psychedelics, I was
probably drawing myself into it more than I thought. And
that's where I was wanted to get abducted. I started thinking,
you know, the aliens must be angels, and perhaps I could,

(36:25):
you know, get abducted and meet them or interact with
them and figure all that out. And so I but
nothing like that actually ever happened, thank God. So I
was able to kind of keep on the border there.
But I think if you look in the Bible and
you look at some of the people that the heroes,
that's what God does is he allows people to go

(36:46):
through that journey. And that's why I have such love
for people that maybe still caught up in the new
wage movement or in the occult all these things, because
a lot of these people are just searching for truth.
They and they want signs and wonders to prove it.
They want something that's going to make it real, you know,
and they want the power as well. It's an ego
driven thing. And that's the I Am God kind of

(37:08):
deception of what it can be, because you know, you want,
you want to make it your reality. You know, do
what thou wilt will be the whole of the lie,
you know. So this is, you know, so integrated within
all these societies and all these occult belief systems. That's
the other thing that I began to recognize is the
original sin. The idea that you are a God is

(37:31):
repeated so many times, whether it's Freemasons, Jesuits, the Kabbalah,
the Gnostics, the Rosicrucians, the New Agers, they all say
that in one form or another kind of a repackaged things.
And that is what the alien channelers claim as well.
One of the first things they will tell you is
try to yes, Jesus was a good man, but he

(37:51):
was just an avatar. He wasn't the Christ. You are
the Christ uniusness, and you look within, resist nothing, let
it all in, and you will open your third eye
or whatever and all this stuff really sounds good, and
you can get power, you can see things, you will
experience things, and but these things are have to be

(38:13):
tested as well. You know. First John four one tells
us exactly how to test the spirits, and that you know,
unless they are coming and believe and can say that
Jesus Christ came in the flesh and that Jesus Christ
is the Son of God, they are a false spirit.
And I have yet to find anybody who does channeling
that interacts with an entity that claims that. They all

(38:37):
will say, no, he's you know, he's he was an
he was a great man, he was an avatar. But
you know, so is Buddha and all these other things.
So I think there is a very fine line there
where it inverts the truth and makes it a broad
road and sterile instead of the narrow gate which Christ
talked about. So we have to be very careful. And

(39:02):
that's one of the things that I want to do
is just reach out to those people on love, be
a link in the chain. Don't believe me. Investigate the
claims of some of the people that got out of
this stuff, like yourself, like people like Stephen Bangkar's Laura Maxwell.
Some of the greatest researchers are ex new agers. Joe
Jordan from the C four Research Group is a great
friend of mine. He has collected over three hundred abduction

(39:24):
I think it's more like five hundred by now, five
hundred production stories of a case by case study of
people who had abduction experiences in sleep paralysis that cured
it by recognizing that these things are demonic, rebuking them
in the name authority in Jesus Christ, and they leave forever,
never to return again. It's like a cure. And some

(39:46):
of these people experienced sleep process for decades at a time,
never to escape it, taking drugs, talking to doctors, finding
trying to find a way out. And when they they
recognize what these things are and then uh brought in
the power authority of the Holy Spirit, these things leave.
And what does that tell you? You know, that's he

(40:07):
gets out of coincidence.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
I think, you know.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
My my big thing and of what I bring to
the table is that you have a lot of people
mixing this stuff up like together, like as far as
like you know, calling aliens demons or calling angels demons
or any any you have people like Stephen bankars now
who like anything spiritual and supernatural's demonic, and that's just.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
That's not the truth, right, I think.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
I think when it comes to the New Age and
it comes to spirituality, they stole from us, They stole
from the.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Body were the most.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
Spiritual people that ever existed. In my book the Apostle
Paul leaving his body and going to heaven and not
knowing and hearing the voices of angels and not being
not being privy enough to explain what he saw, like
his experience was so insane that he didn't know if
he took his body with him, like if he literally
went or his spirit went there where, which talking about

(41:00):
guys who were communicating with angels, these guys were given
messages from beyond when they would go to sleep, they
would enter the trance state and receive messages and stuff.
So when it comes to the channeling stuff or anything
New Age again, I think they have taken from from us.
And there's a what this lady named Nancy Cohen says,

(41:20):
there's a righteous real like there's a version of this
that existed that is pure, but it's.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Been tampered with.

Speaker 6 (41:27):
And so for me, my walk with Christ, my life
is a mystical experience that from day one, and I
think God called me to that. He knew that I
was interested and intrigued in that, and it's definitely been
my avenue, just like you, to want to reach out
to these people and show them the real way to

(41:47):
do it. You know, we have access to the creator
of the universe, who holds the fabric of time together,
who writes your story and when we're talking about the
law of attraction and manifestation and all that, and he's
the one who orchestrates any of that stuff. So synchronicities
and all of these spiritual experiences that we read in
the Bible, we don't even have to go outside the Bible,

(42:10):
like all of this stuff is in there. But from
the church realm, these people have demonized anything supernatural, anything spiritual,
anything of you know, anything spiritual is demonic, and that's
not the case.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
So when it comes to the.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Bank cars recently, but I just heard his original testimony,
So yeah, I'm glad, glad you told me that, because
that's keep going.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
Sorry, yeah, no, I'm just saying, like when it comes
to for what I do, Like you know, people in
the church, young people in the church who are having dreams.
I'm talking about even the prophetic, Like you know, God's
giving them visions about their life. God's given them visions
about other people. They're hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit.
They may even have an angelic encounter or something, and
then they bring it to their pastor. Depending on what

(42:57):
kind of church you go to, there's a lot of
churches that are going to say that's demonic. I remember,
that's my story, like God like coming out of the
occult and then God kind of like bringing me back
in the real prophetic and like I'm gonna give you
dreams and visions. I'm gonna speak to you in the
night like I spoke to Samuel, and I'm gonna call
your name, and you have to be obedient. So I

(43:19):
started having those experiences and I went to the youth
pastor and they just prayed against it and said it
was the devil.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
But interesting thing, like you said.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
The sleep paralysis stuff in the demonic stuff, when you
pray against it in Jesus name, it it went away.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
It stopped.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
But for me, when the pastors rebuked these dreams and
visions that I was having, probably because they there wasn't
like nice dreams or whatever. They were dreams about destruction
and stuff that was coming to the church.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
But those dreams never went.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
Away the the you know, the feeling that we need
to get to the bottom of it and I need
to interpret it. And it wasn't until I found a
group of Christians who were apt to interpret dreams. They know,
the Bible is full of dream interpretation and God's speaking
in that way. And so it wasn't until I met
those people that I was able to They were able
to interpret my dream and everything that happened in the

(44:12):
dream came to pass. And so again for what I
do to tap into that community is that there's people
in the church who like, if you don't answer their question,
they're gonna they're gonna go to somebody who can. And
so if you can't, David Willcock Will, Jordan Maxwell Will, and.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
They've got a lot of good stuff. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
A lot of those people have stuff that that folks
in the church aren't privy to because whether they haven't
studied it or that they don't even know that that's
a realm of thinking that is even even biblical truth.
I'll say that that we're not privy to because we're
so in a box or something that if you don't
answer their question. David Willcock and Jordan Maxwell will and

(44:52):
and they got some good stuff for sure, and that's
what allerts you in. So I feel like the Church
has to wake up to talk about this stuff and
not even just demonize everything. You know what I'm saying,
Like anything spiritual, if an angel comes to you, it's
and it's demonic.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
There are no angels. Angels don't come.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
The Holy Spirit doesn't speak to us anymore, like that
cessationalism and all of that. And it's like, oh my goodness,
we're fighting against a Stephen Bankars who came out of
out of you know, crazy weird New Age stuff and
now he's in the crazy weird Christian stuff that just
like demonizes everything. And so yeah, he's going in on
a lot of the demonic stuff, in the negative stuff

(45:29):
in the New Age. Well, you got to give the
people an alternative. They're seeing there are annoying it to
receive dreams and visions and healing and signs and wonders.
These signs have follow them that believe Steven got to
give us an alternative. Man because just just cutting it
off is not going to make it go away, even
if it's a godly thing that God is calling you to.

(45:50):
So the Bible says the spirit of the prophets are
subject une to the prophets, and it's time for those
who understand the way this spirit world works to really
reach out to people and be willing to be made
fun of or look like a full or expectacle to
to help some people. Man. And so that's where I
come from with throwing myself in that realm, because those
people aren't coming to church, but you know what they

(46:12):
are watching Jordan Maxwell interviews as.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Maxwell. Guess what you get this book?

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Yeah, this book is this is to talk about Jordan Maxwell.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
It's a Christian book man, a little bit.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
Yeah, he wrote My Forward man, and uh, but this book,
this book tells you how to get free from demonic oppression.
This book tells you how to fast and connect with
Christ and do it the right way, like you know what,
be wisest serpents but harmless as doves.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Man.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
So we gotta we got to go into this thing
head first, man, especially with those who have had experiences.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Yeah, those are some great points I mean, you know,
I often say, you know, Satan does not create anything.
There's nothing that Satan has ever created. So we've got
to recognize that everything that he is taking to manifest
and to trick and to obscure truth is an inversion
of something that God already made. Let's remember, the fallen

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angels were angels once in heaven in the presence of God.
You know, Lucifer was the highest of all the angels
and the most you know, beautiful, it says of these angels.
And because of that, he was filled with pride. And
but they had access to things that of heavenly realms
that in themselves aren't evil. They have been twisted and

(47:43):
inverted to represent self glorification instead of glorification of the Creator.
In my opinion, so I think, I think you're totally right.
There is definitely a place we need to get it
back where the church does not talk at all about prophets,
about dream interpretation or you know what the correct interpretation

(48:04):
of speaking in tongues is and actually using these things.
And if you talk to people who are missionaries, they'll
tell you they actually experience these things firsthand out on
the mission ground in the Amazon forest. They here experienced
some really supernatural stuff there that we because of our
disbelief and because of our lack of knowledge in the church,

(48:26):
we don't see. We don't see these true signs and
wonders anymore or as much. And and a lot of
these people out there who are like the David Ikes
and the Jordan Maxwell's and the Michael Tassarians and the
David Wilcox, they ninety percent of what they say is
like truth. But to me, where it gets them is

(48:48):
what is your ultimate uh, what is your ultimate conclusion
or intention? And what is your what is the ultimate
goal here? And how do we win? What are we
supposed to do? And a lot of times these people
in the end say, well, we need stronger magic. These
people the cult is hijacked magic and we need to

(49:12):
tap into the white light. But I don't hear any glorification.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
Of Yeah, well see that's funny. My next album is
actually gonna be entitled white magic. See I use all
of these terms and stuff, you know what I'm saying,
But white magic is doing the inner work and helping
people and tapping into spirituality, natural spirituality, fasting, speaking in tongues,
healing signs, of wonders, like knowing that you're connected, you

(49:39):
hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, like we gotta
we gotta make this stuff look fun because it is not.
Make it look fun, just talk about it and it's
still real, Like you don't have to leave your relationship
with Christ to tap into the spiritual practice of the scriptures. Man,
And it's so like it's more than just becoming obviously,

(50:00):
it's checking your intention at the door. And that's the
that's the thing for me. It's hard for me to
listen to a lot of New Age people or spiritual
people because I can I can discern a lot of
uh intentions and they'll be hitting even Christians though, like
they'll be hitting you with some really deep stuff. And

(50:20):
and somebody said yesterday on the podcast, my friend Fred,
I think he said, somebody will be sharing and it's
just going right to your heart. And there's even you know,
new age spiritual people that stuff. It's like, man, that
resonates so deep. This is eternal truths and you're you're
saying them like I've never heard it before, but they're
biblical principles and you you may not even know that.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
And you can feel in your heart.

Speaker 6 (50:42):
And then there's other people where it's like, oh, this
moves up to a head, like intellectual knowledge that you're
trying to woo me and sell me a book or
whatever the case is. And so a lot of those
bigger named people who are on Gaya, who are on
coast to coast and stuff like that, which is our
audience for sure, Like it's like, ooh, yeah, I don't

(51:02):
this guy has autariy of motives. Man, this person is
not of the light with this podcast. Like, I'm four
hundred episodes deep and I've talked to people that I'm like,
just to.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Be honest, I try to be I try to be honest.
Like sometimes I book it talking. I'm like, man, I
don't want to do this damn talk.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
I don't want to talk to this person about how
your cat has psychic abilities and they're communicating with you
to let them outside. They can look at you and
tell and you know why they're here. So we had
to talk with this lady about it, and we did
it for fifteen minutes, and I.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Was like, oh, it's interesting.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
Yeah, I know when my dog wants to go outside too,
and you know, all this disconnection you have with animals.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
So it was a cool talk.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
But then the second half, well fifteen minutes in, I
find out she was a Christian. She's Catholic, but she's
talking about how to like communicate with the Holy Spirit
and the Holy Spirit's going to lead you and guide
you into all truth. And going into her her story,
I was like, Wow, I would have never known this
about you. I wouldn't I've had this beautiful hour and

(52:01):
a half conversation if we didn't enter in through the
gateway of your cat has psychic ability, you know, And
so you're like.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Are you sure an important link in the chain?

Speaker 4 (52:11):
I think, yeah, man. So it's been interesting, and so I.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
Did a little rant some time ago, and it's just
been a revelation for me because people say, like, Okay,
I interview psychics or I talk to healers and people
who don't know Christ or either even they don't know
him by that name.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
I'll say that too, that could be some of that.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
But I get demonized a lot, and you can't be
a Christian and do this, or you can't be a
Christian and listen to whatever music you're listening to, and
all this kind of stuff. So I just went on
this rant on a video and said, uh, you know,
I'm done.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
I'm named it. I'm not going to interview any more
psychics any more, healers, any more, mediums, any more shamans
any more prophets, even preachers, teachers, evangelists. I'm not interviewing
any of these people no more. I'm done with it.
I'm interviewing people. I'm talking to people, and we have
to be able to see beyond these titles. You know,

(53:07):
most Christians are scared to talk to these people that
I interview. And Michael Desarian just scared of Jordan Maxwell.
You know, when the Jordan Maxwell comes up, say oh
he's a big time guy, he's a big time witch.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
He's in the loom.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
People think he's in Illuminati.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
This old man is on his deathbed, like barely hanging
on and don't have any money, and.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
He's in Illuminati. He sold his soul to be a Mason.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
This man ain't got nothing, and they're like, you know,
saying he's a Mason. He got all these videos on
them and all this kind of stuff. Listen, man, like
these are people. These are people, man, and Jesus died
for people. He ain't out here condemning Jesus was with
the tax collasters, the prostitutes, that he would be with
these people. Jesus would reach out to Jordan Maxwell instead

(53:51):
of condemning these people and making fun of them and
exposing them, I'm gonna expose your why their doctrine is wrong.
And listen, man, Jesus, let y'all have all that that
ain't saving nobody. You know, we got to have the
right beliefs and the right doctrines. And we're wading through
this stuff, man, and these are people that Jesus loves
and he does.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
We have to.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
I feel like we have to be able to see
these people like he sees them, versus their title. Or
you're a Christian, oh you you? And there's Christians to
cut your head off in a heartbeat. There's Christian who
or bad in business who will have you build a
website and not pay you. Who will hire you to
come shoot a video for their church production and not
pay you and say we're gonna pay you later. Let

(54:33):
us go get the check, and you never hear from them. Listen,
I deal with them, folks, but regular people. We started
putting these people on a pedestal because of their title,
i'm pastor so as I'm profits.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
So and so bishop, and these people are dirty, dirty
like David Wilcock has more Christ's light in him than
some of these pastors.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
Man, And this is the stuff we're wading through. Do
we just go because it's Christian content, it's a church
or Christian Christian rappers like you know, we have to
wade through it. And so discernment is key, I think, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
Yeah, great point man. Yeah. I I in some of
my songs, I call out the false doctrines, the false Christians,
the false pastors, you know, those wolves in sheep's clothing
that are the deceivers and uh and that's a lot
of what I do is, you know, is trying to uh,
you know, expose not only the obvious things, but the

(55:31):
things that are are masquerading, you know. And I think
there is a a need for what you're doing. Definitely, Man,
you serve an important link because it's like you said,
if there's people aren't getting answers in church, where are
they going? You know?

Speaker 4 (55:46):
So that's what I was doing. That's what you were doing.
You got to know about the arians some way, like
you know, yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Yeah, no doubt, no, doubt. I've been there, man, So
it's it's all kind of part of the journey and
our audience, you know. I was. I don't know if
you know Duncan Trussell is as a comedian Joe Jordan's
good friends, but I was really involved with his UH
forum for for a few years when he used anymore.
But yeah, the family and I was like kind of

(56:16):
semi famous in the in their pockets. I was the
only Christian but my I would try to have deep
conversation with people and UH and try to show them,
you know, not that they're wrong, but that what they're
truly searching for is Christ, is what the Bible is offering.
It is what the Holy Holy UH or eternal life

(56:38):
and salvation, all these things that you're looking through like
through open your third eye or taking d M T
and all these things. That stuff is real for real,
you know. But there's also count people that are things
or entities that are counterfeiting these things as well, So
we have to be on guard basically. And I've got

(56:59):
a song called have You Entertained Angels, which is all
about the flip side of the positive encounters with angels,
angels that help people and you know, accidents that appear
out of nowhere, lift the car off somebody or that
you know, interact with you and just a daily basis
basis maybe and just give you that smile you need
at a point, or just say hello to you somebody

(57:20):
you need. You know, there's lots of things, and the
Bible talks about your entertaining angels unaware, so I think
there's a lot of spiritual things going on that were
shut off.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
And that for me, like when I found out about
all this stuff and I went deep, dude, And I
know you're deep, and we obviously have different paths or whatever.
But like the Mason, I started making music about Masons
and Masonic symbols on the back of the dollar, exposing
it with Jesus just to get you to follow really,
you know, and just going in and all that kind
of stuff. And I was exposing them and I made

(57:54):
a name for myself here city. I pissed a lot
of people off, and people knew me as that guy,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
And uh, nine eleven was an inside job. They're doing
mass ritual sacrifices with not eleven.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
People wake up, you know, And I put it in
my music, you know, and going to churches and they
would play it in the churches. Dude, about nine eleven
was an inside job and hey, skip that song and
listen to that one, listen to the next one.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
But for me, it was just like like I was
calling names. I called t D. Jake's, Benny hen kraftlow Dollar.

Speaker 6 (58:24):
And you know, we was going in on these guys
and uh, you know, their their Masonic tie. Even Billy
Graham was a Mason and all this kind of stuff.
And then so you just throw the baby out with
the bathwater. But I feel like the Holy Spirit told me,
is listen, man, if you're pointing out all of these
these people that are wrong, we went them big on
tithing and took shots at people who promote tithing, and

(58:46):
they just want you putting curses on you. And that's witchcraft, man,
you know, throwing curses on people. And there's more witchcraft
I found out going on in churches than there is
in any seminar with spiritual healers. But for me, I
felt the Lord speak to him and said, listen, if
you want to have the most impact, don't go around

(59:06):
pointing out how tithing is wrong. If you do it
this way, or even calling out Kreflow Dollar and taking
his samples, and this was what Kreflow Dollars said on
an interview Bubba. But and just exposing these people, expose
the doctrine for one thing, but just teach it the
right way. Like if they're teaching tithing wrong, figure out
the right way to teach tithing. If they're teaching about

(59:30):
you know, spirituality is wrong, teach it the right way.
And it was like it was an easy word, but
it was revelation to me. Teach it the right way
and you have more influence, you'll serve more people, and
it ain't gonna be a vendetta against prosperity preachers or whoever.
And so when I did that, like you know, a
lot of stuff changed for me as far as God

(59:51):
taking me a little bit deeper and more humility to
instead of like making these people are false pastors my enemy,
because we find out, like you know, it ain't even
about those people. It ain't even about craufflow Dollar or
Bennie hen or whoever you think is corrupt. What it
is is the people who in their congregation pay them
for a reason. Listen, I have patrons I got like

(01:00:13):
one hundred and sixty between one hundred and eighty patrons
who paid me monthly because they love my music, because
they love the podcast. Those people are enabling me to
do what I do. And so what you put your
money where your heart is, where Bible says where your
treasure is, that your heart will be also. And it
also says that people having itching ears will find for
themselves teachers to tell them what they want to hear.

(01:00:36):
So let's say we take out Benny Hen. Benny Hin's done,
we end this career, we expose him. Nobody goes to
his meetings. He's done. Guess what they're gonna find the
next Benny Hen, and they gonna get under him, and
they gonna pay him money, and they're gonna pay to
go to his and they're gonna donate. It's the people.
It's not even Benny Hen. He's just a product of
the environment that the people want. He's giving the people

(01:00:58):
what they're looking for, you know, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Yeah, yeah. All we got to do is go back
to the word man. Because these stories are told and
retold time and time again. You know, history repeats itself.
If you look at this history of the Jewish people
of how they turn their backs on God and then
came back to the truth. And then these generations of
people that would ebb and flow and nothing has changed,
nothing is new under the sun. We're still caught up

(01:01:21):
in that same paradigm of you know, this is truth,
this is lies. This you know, none of us got
it figured out completely is the truth of the matter. Yeah,
and we need to walk in faith and walk in
the grace and realize we're saved by grace and that
you know, there's a lot of people out there that
I believe that are going to be saved, that are

(01:01:41):
being labeled. You know, we don't know the heart of
every man. Yeah, you know, you don't know what somebody
has said on there laying in their bed at night,
you know, and giving their heart to Christ, and you know,
and and yet still living in a struggle. You know,
everyone is on their own journey, and so we've got
to be respectful of each other's journeys and realize everyone's

(01:02:03):
at a different point, everybody's a different paths. And God
is God seeks man. You know, we think we're seeking
God out. The truth is God seeks us out. He's
calling us as in different individuals, and each path, each
thing that gets set in your place is part of
that journey, part of that path to open your eyes
with something new, and you just got to be open

(01:02:23):
to learning and shut off that You've got to figure
it out, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
So it's I like, I like taking especially we studied
the enemy's work and what he's doing, and so I
like to kind of like see what a counter what
a counterfeit it is? Right, you're talking about the enemy counterfeiting,
like whether it is angel I mean not angels, but
UFOs and aliens being demonic Like, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Church, the church is full of stories of demons.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
Every there's a demon behind every corner. You go to
any charismatic service, they'll tell you how they combat demons
daily and how a demon was jumped out of a
book they had in their house and ran on in
the hallway. Like they got all kind of crazy stories.
And we're looking for the demons too. We're demon hunters,
if you would, as a band by the name I
got a tattooed on me demon Hunter, demon Killer and

(01:03:09):
Kenji Oriental. But what about the angels, Like, okay, the
demons are true, what about the other side? What about
the angels? What about we hear voices of demons and
seducing spirits? What about how to hone in on the
beautiful voice of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says, my sheep,
here hear my voice and the stranger's voice. They will
not follow like these teachings, like even in the mystical stuff,

(01:03:31):
like as far as angelic contact or trances are trances
for today or they spur the moment in random I
don't believe that. I think that they were practice. I
think that the meditative state when you go to sleep
or tapping into that through many different means was something
that the early Church practice. I think these guys were
very spiritual and just teaching the right way of how

(01:03:54):
we can you know, tap in the right way versus
the wrong way, you know, through this through asking the
Holy and it is easy, I think too.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
I think over complicating it gets.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
It into uh get it gets it into you know,
trickery if you will, or well you got to do this,
you gotta fast seven days and then an angel period
like there's some of that stuff too, But just asking
the Holy Spirit to show up and just you know,
tuning it and it's the most beautiful encounter that anyone
can have just by simply asking you have not for

(01:04:27):
you ask not, And whether it's worship this in the
Holy Spirit that just loves to lift up and exalt Jesus.
And it's so simple and so easy that you don't
need anything outside of yourself. He has given given you
the kingdom of Heaven within you and around you. That
I don't need anything you're selling me. I can be
in a prison like Paul and silence and beginning to
worship and begin to glorify God, and He's there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
It's really we are.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
Talking about christ consciousness and levels of consciousness. I have
to ship my consciousness off of my situation and my
gaze upon my enemies and what's wrong with the world world,
and shifted into listen the beauty of God and life
eternal that He's given me to experience now. And we
train our minds to do that like that for me
when I say white magic, That's what I'm talking about.

(01:05:13):
This ability that we have to change our situation and
to change the situations of people around us by a
relationship with God and how real He is in our
lives and He is in everything and using everything to
speak to us. And so that's a shift of consciousness
that's from carnal egoic mind, animal nature to walking with

(01:05:36):
every day in communion with God through the Holy Spirit
and the work that Jesus did on the cross to
purchase us.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
So there's nothing more mystical than that, is what I
want to say. That's how easy it is. And I
don't knock all other whatever you want to do. There
are cool things that you know that it's in the
Bible that they did, but I think it's simple, man.
So I really I'm big on teaching the way and
experiencing it and you know, trying to identify that because

(01:06:05):
and there's a lot more people doing it now. You know,
when when I was doing this and when you started out,
I know you've seen a big, big shift. Like there
was no I was made fun of, I was called
a heretic.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
I was.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
Now they want to have me at their churches, you
know what I'm saying. Now they want to invite me
to speak on their podcasts and stuff. And it was
hard to like want to be around Christians because I
know how judgmental they are. I know how quick that
the moment you get out of line. They're going to
cut your head off the moment that the Christians are
watching it, and I got a tool T shirt on.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
It's over. I'm done, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:06:37):
So it's like, why would I want to be, you know,
play in your circles because I know how judgmental.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
But Christians are waking up.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
You know, people are abandoning the church. It's sad, but
I don't think that they're abandoning their relationship with Christ.
And I just want to I want to encourage people
to hold on to that and for those who have
never experienced any counter with Christ with Jesus to taste
and see that the Lord is good and give it
a try.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
It'll change your life. It'll wreck your life. You'll never
be the same, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Yeah, crazy God, Yeah absolutely. I mean I think we're
living in a time where we should be having a
great revival, to be honest, because I think the external
or the spiritual nature of things has been externalized to
the point like, you know, never for at least within
our lifetime, where we're seeing clearly, you know, spiritual things

(01:07:31):
kind of happening. We're seeing the occults, symbols and the
signs and all these things externalized to the point where
there is no really there are no secrets anymore. The
secrets have been let the cats out of the bag,
so to speak. Yeah, and so I think this is,
you know, less people are straddling the fence. There's a

(01:07:53):
lot of fence centers who're just like, you know, I'm
not sure what's figured out. I'm not sure what's right
or wrong. I think if you're willing to investigate, if
you're willing to do the research and uh, and you know,
look into these things, you'll see that you can find answers.
You know. In the Bible to me is the spiritual
guidebook of the supernatural. It's the thing that has the

(01:08:15):
foundation that we can build off of and instead of
picking and choosing of like the like the Bible talks about,
you know, uh, just going with the wind, so to speak,
that we can have a foundation that we build off
of and each have a personal experience you know, that
is unique to ourselves and a personal calling that is

(01:08:36):
unique to ourselves. So, you know, I just praise God
that He's set up opportunities like this, the you know,
to talk with people all around the world and to
other truth seekers and other people on different paths. It's
just it's just a blessing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
The thing the thing about it though, man, and this
is what it ends up in. And I remember even
saying this, like, if you don't want to rock the boat,
quit reading the Bible, because the more you read and
start finding out your star finding out stuff at your
church that's not biblical. You know, you'll find out whether
it's tithing or you know, in these weird doctrines. And
so we kind of get in this place where we

(01:09:15):
don't want to lose Jesus and we're like, you know what,
I'm not discussing anything. I'm not discussing aliens. I'm not
discussing the rapture. I'm not going to argue with you.
I'm not I just want to talk about Jesus, and
so just Jesus until they ask you your opinion of
tithing and then you said, well, I don't think I
don't think tithing is the way most churches do it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
And now you're an enemy. Now you're you have a
belief system.

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
So the thing about it that a lot of people
who are searching the scriptures diligently, they're finding stuff that's
not like adding up, or they're questioning things even with
just the Bible, like finding not contradict you contradiction versus,
but versus that contradict your tradition, Like our tradition teaches this,

(01:09:58):
but I read the scripture and I'm pretty clear on
it now, and now I can't believe these things that
my pastor's telling me, or you know, I'm not one
hundred percent on it, and I just be honest with you, man,
Like a lot of people are like abandoning the idea
of eternal torment and punishment. And there's some questions here
in the chat about it about eternal torment going to

(01:10:19):
hell forever, like why would God create something just because
he knows that you're not going to choose him or whatever.
And there's a huge growing movement of people who are
abandoning the idea of let's just say, even eternal punishment
because there's different levels. Some say maybe it's just for
a time, or you got to pass through it, or
you got to pay for what you did and it's
only for a certain amount of years, purgatory types of

(01:10:41):
I don't know, I've never been there, I never I
never died and with the hell. But I do know
people who are in hell right now, like on the
earth because of drug addiction, because of their spouse and
their family left them, you know, and they got back
on drugs because of that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Are pilladicting people who are.

Speaker 6 (01:11:00):
On hell in hell now. So my heart is like
what I can give them? Because I can, I can
save you from that hell. I know how to get
you out of that one for but for eternity, there's
like there's a lot more questions the more that we
read and like, Okay, well that was just an analogy
that Jesus was using for the trash heap of Gahina
and these things, and so it could have been is

(01:11:21):
there real hell?

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
I don't know there are.

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
I think there's verses that that really prove both whatever
you choose, like you can find. And that's with anything
that's with New Age spirituality, that's with racism in the Bible,
that's with owning a slave, like you name it, whatever
you want you can find to back it up.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Flat earth, come on.

Speaker 6 (01:11:43):
So my thing is like I would never want to
like condemn somebody with an with an absolute that hey,
you're going to hell and I know it because you
even if we're at a point out where people telling
you that they're believers, you would not be a.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Believer if and still be friends with that, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
And it's like you're saying these.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Absolutes on people that honestly.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
You know, you don't really know, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
And so that's just where I am. But but I
will double down on the things I do know. You
know what I'm saying, I do know, and my story
because it's real to me.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
This is tangible a relationship with Christ.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
That Jesus is who he says he is, and that
he is not God is not willing that any man
should perish, but that all would come to h the
salvation grace that he is provided through his son, and
to experience life and life more abundantly, shoot experience spirituality
and spirituality more abundantly. That if you go through through
this means through the beauty of King Jesus and who

(01:12:46):
he is, that he is the head of all principalities,
that all powers, ascended, masters, demons, angels, people, governors, rulers, trump, COVID,
everything has to bow a need to this Prince, the
King Jesus, you know, who is the head of all authority,
and if you don't have that revelation, you're missing out

(01:13:07):
because any demon, anything that comes to you to torment you,
to lie to you, to deceive you. If you step
into your authority, like you said, in Jesus' name, I
rebuke it. Any night terror, any demons like they gotta obey,
they have to obey. And so there's nothing higher than
that as far as an entity that you're trying to

(01:13:27):
interact with. It really it is a slap in the
face when we have access freely to the throne room
of grace through what Christ did, but we're rather talk
to channel another disembodied spirit that has some kind of
secret privy information.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
We could go straight to Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
It cost you clean hands in a pure heart, you
know what I'm saying. But so I think it is
a slap in the face that when we do try
to go other means. There's different ways to connect. When
you say that, you know, but that's my spill, how
would you respond?

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
Yeah, no doubt, man. There's so many people trying to
connect in different ways, and the idea of absoluteses I
think is a tough thing within people's belief system Nowadays.
People want to have, uh, the idea of relativism that
I can pick and choose, uh from these different beliefs
and create my own reality, you know. And that's where,

(01:14:22):
you know, like I said, the lot, God is creating
reality for you and create your reality, your journey for
you and allowing these things to unfold for a purpose
and a reason. And uh, but we just got to
go straight to the source and realize there is apps,
there are absolutes, you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Know, there is flat earth, and.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
So it's called there's a comment here says these guys
laughed about flat earth. But for some people, that is
an absolute.

Speaker 6 (01:14:50):
It's one fact. There is no changing. You can't talk
me out of it. Good friends of mine, me too.
And uh but I guess that that was alarming because
we laughed at something really close to somebody's heart. They've
studied hours, they've watched hours and hours and hours of documentaries.
They've seen that there is no curve right and so
here we are kind of laughing and joking about somebody's

(01:15:12):
absolute you know. Yeah, yeah, well that is what it
is when we laugh about meditation or the Holy Spirit
or Jesus being the only way, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
That's where it comes down to, is you know, that's
kind of like what we've lost, I think is the
ability to make fun of ourselves in a comedic way
as a society. That's that's the root of comedy is
is you know, kind of parody of something, you know,
And so we need to be able to laugh at
ourselves my gosh, you know, and then and not take
it so seriously because if we lose that, and we

(01:15:48):
lose the idea that we can you know, speak comedy,
if we lose comedy within our society, that society crumbles
in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:15:56):
But and I'm not laughing at people for believing that.
I'm just reading the common and I'm not laughing at
people for believing it because at the same time, just
like I spoke on the Hell thing, listen, flat Earth
could be real it totally, you know, But we got
to be able to laugh at our own quirkiness because
a lot of this stuff is, especially when you speak
with absolute you need to be you know, at least

(01:16:19):
like that. I mean, I like Star Wars, you know,
Yoda said, what is it? Only assist believes in absolutes?

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Yeah, there's a lot of that out there trying to
tell you that you there are no absolutes. The idea
of the the yin and the yang and pluralism that that,
you know, we need to bring it as one. There
is no good, there is no evil. It's all oneness.
You know, this is an idea. And to me, the
ultimate hell would be to be trapped on earth forever

(01:16:47):
in your sins. And that's what transhumanism, that's what to me,
the the demonic realm has always wanted to create in
a way is to make people think that you can
create heaven on earth or somehow set ourselves God to
be a god on earth trapped in your sin, and
that's death exactly. And if we look at the story

(01:17:09):
of Adam and Eve, there were two trees. There was
a tree of life and the tree of knowledge of
good and evil. The tree of life gave them eternal life.
And once they ate of the Tree of knowledge of
good and evil, the first thing God said is we
got to get them out of here before they eat
the tree of life, because then they'll be forever trapped
in this you know, this sin nature. So that's you

(01:17:30):
know why he kicked them out of garden. In my
opinion is so they wouldn't then eat from the Tree
of life and then forever be trapped in that sin nature,
which was Satan's plan. You know. Ever since then, he's
tried to do the same thing with technology, whether it's
the Tower of Babbel or whether it's Hitler trying to
create the uber man and perfect you know, white race

(01:17:50):
or whatever, or the hollow Earth to bet and belief
that there's this enlightened masters within them. I mean, all
these things kind of point to the same thing, that
there's some sort of enlightened masters or higher entities or
things that have evolved through secret works, rituals and things
outside of our knowledge, outside of the simple understanding that Christ,

(01:18:13):
someone like Christ is teaching and offering. It's got to
be way out there through works and through you know,
years of study. And that's not true. Christ will accept
you right now where you're at, without and you don't
have to change anything. He'll accept you as you are sin,
no matter if you're Satanists, whatever. He'll accept you right now,
and he'll change you after the fact. That's that's you know,

(01:18:35):
the grace that comes with him is what I believe.
So I think people need to just be more open
to you know, open your heart to Christ, give it
a chance, you know, pray to God, you know Jesus,
if you're real, reveal yourself in a way that makes
sense to me personally. Speak to me in personal avid,
you know my desires, what I've been through. Speak to
me in a way that will open my eyes and

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make you real. And man, we.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Got a comment here from we Man Kyle says, your
song Robophobia outlines that so well.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
I guess the transhuman stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Robophobia. You know, my whole
last album, Shift Your Paradigm, that I came out with
October twenty twenty is all about transhumanism, the merging of
men and machine, the idea of creating a hive mind,
uploading our consciousness, you know, the quantum computers and all

(01:19:30):
these things that they're doing. They're tapping into interdimensional realms.
They're interacting with these entities and making these decisions based
on the information they're gathering from these entities. And the cult,
just like in the eighteen hundreds, the occult and science
is now merging and it's becoming one thing. So it's
it's definitely fascinating to watch these things kind of unfold

(01:19:53):
and how all these things become popularized in society through
people like Joe Rogan who and love Joe Rugan, listen
to him. I think he's a truth seeker just for
the fact he is willing to have so many different
ideas on there. But I just wish he would have somebody,
you know, open up a little bit more, to have,

(01:20:14):
you know, some perspectives that he disagree with us a
little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:20:19):
A little bit he'll shut He'll make fun of christ
and people who are Christians, and a heartbeat for.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
Sure he does. He does. But I think if he has,
if you just heard it talk the right way, had
somebody that could present it. But I think he shuts
himself off from that.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
I think Brian Callen has tried to talk to him
and open up about, you know, the beauty and the
things that are right with confession and the Christian religion
and things like that that really can serve you and
help you for a reason, and Joe will just.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Make fun of him and you can't really believe in that.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
And Aubrey Markets will come on there and talk about
the desert religions and the Abrahamic you know, desert religions
that are you.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Know, yeah, we got more open minded.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
But yeah, man, I mean that's what he's part of
it is Catholic, that's part of it. Like we're gonna,
you know, have to deal with that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
If anybody has any questions, uh, for Arca myself, go
ahead and post them in the chat and I'll translate
them over and ask. Everybody has any questions or anything
you want us to speak about. Let me know how
much longer you got know we've done over in our
and't twenty minutes, which to me, this has flown by
like it doesn't even feel like it at all.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
Yeah, no, no doubt, man, I'm open. I don't have anything. Yeah,
I work from home, so great.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
So uh let's see.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
If everybody has any questions, go ahead and posted in
the chat and I'll ask them. I'm reading some of
these comments here truth seeka. This is from Jonathan True Seeker.
He says, truth Seka, I feel like the entity has
attached to you. It's not in you, but it's altering
your perception. Just do a spiritual cleansing and pray it

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away from you and your family, which okay, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
I do that daily.

Speaker 6 (01:22:04):
Somebody else lost to Antichrist says, I love Destiny lab
the music is dope, Ezekiel's Will is another is an
Ezekiel's Will, and the Good Person Test all my favorites.
In fact, the Good Person Test helped me understand why
it's important to keep the Ten Commandments.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
And that's from Lost Anarchist, I said, Antichrist, Yeah those
are did I say, anti Christ? I got these contacts
back in the day.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
I'm trying to still get used to them.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Yeah, I was speaking of which I don't know if
anybody's ever looked at. I've got a video called Christian
versus Satanist Rap Battle, and years and years ago, I
used to post my music in a place called sound
Click in this place called the Garbage Can. I always
try to interact with people that disagree with me. That's
always been my thing. I don't worry, but I like
to reach the loss. So I didn't going to this place.

(01:22:56):
And this guy, who was a self proclaimed Satanist rapper
would just clown me every time I post some Oh
you and your Christian stuff, what are you talking about?
You know? And and then he came back at me
and said, you know, let's have a rap battle and
figure this out. So he like sent us a beat
to me and we went back and forth and he
ended up by the end of the song and then

(01:23:17):
you can look up and listen to the song Christian
versus Spiritual, Christian versus Satans rap battle on my Desky
lab channel. He ended up basically on his knees asking
Christ for forgiveness through a song, you know, and it's incredible.
He ended up doing four songs together kind of about
his journey and send him a Bible and you know,

(01:23:38):
just kept kept witnessing to him. But it was incredible
because this guy was hostile. He was, you know, all
about attacking me. And that's where we don't know a
person's heart.

Speaker 6 (01:23:46):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
I mean, people are struggling, and there's a lot of
people crying out and kind of tempting God or actually
antagonizing you know, Okay, if you're real, then you'll do
this or whatever. They're asking questions and they're wanting proof,
and you know, I think sometimes you know, God puts
things in her path and all we've got to do
is just be willing to walk in the spirit and
let him do the work, and he'll he'll speak to

(01:24:09):
somebody when people can't you know. And I don't think
it was my words. I think it was the Holy spirits.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Music's powerful, dude, especially when with the Holy Spirit like
music's powerful.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:22):
I remember a guy because I come from the Christian
hardcore scene, playing like hardcore metal music like under Oath
and Norma Jean and those kind of bands, and early on,
and there was a kid who come to every show
and they just loved the hardcore dancing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
They loved that genre. And early on.

Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
The metal scene with that hardcore stylistically they called it
metalcore and breakdowns and all that kind of stuff. Most
of the big bands at the time that came out
were Christian bands and all they go to the shows
and play perform at the concerts. And this kid was
listening to all of it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
He loved it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:56):
And then one day he wasn't a Christian, but one
day he calls me, he's like, bro, I just found
out what these guys and it'll use metaphors and stuff
for the most part, most of them what weren't.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Blatant turned from saying that was more like.

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
For today band but band, but uh, he's like, man,
I just figured out what all this stuff was talking
about these people are singing about Christ and singing about God. Man,
and I'm I've been a part of it, and he's like, man,
I want to I want to become a Christian just
off of the revelation of what he had been eating,
feeding himself with this music that had birthed this, you know,

(01:25:30):
longing to know and be a part of what these
guys were part of and it was their their relationship
with God. I thought that was very interesting and music
is powerful for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:25:40):
Yeah, we man here wants to know how you became
friends with the guys from Canary Cry Radio.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Yeah. Now we go bay way back with Gons in Basle.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
They I've always been a follower of their work, you know,
back when Gons made an Age of Deceit one and
even before then, Uh, they were making a lot of
videos and following other researchers like Chris White, who's now
kind of stepped out of the picture.

Speaker 6 (01:26:08):
But yeah, he's the one that went in on Jordan
Maxwell's I played that recently when Jordan Maxwell called.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
In and he was just like not having it. That
was wild. I played that recently on our school session.

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
That's right. Yeah, he called into that interview show and
they kind of had it out. But uh yeah, I
mean there's there's a few different people I worked with,
and Keith Truth who made Aquarius Age of Evil, who
kind of talks of Aquarius and Aquarian Age, and they
go back into you know, the Theosophical Society and Blavatski
and Alice Bailey and how all these things are in

(01:26:43):
Annie Bessant. Now they've kind of written these things out
as far as the plan, as far as the occult
is concerned, and how we're seeing this plan unfold right
before our eyes to this day. But but yeah, Age
of Deceit one, two and three actually made music that
are in Age to See two and three, and then
he's working on part four as well. So I just,

(01:27:04):
you know, there's a small kind of group of researchers
to kind of do this from a Christian perspective, And
my goal is always trying to link people to these
people because I'm a researcher, but I'm not you know,
some Bible specialists. And I do have my own podcast
called Digging for the Truth with Arc and Neo that
I do with my brother, but you know, we just

(01:27:26):
kind of talk about these things from our perspective, but
I always like to get people in touch with the
with the real you know, the authors and the researchers
that go. I didn't know even you were an author, man,
that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
So yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
Yeah, I was just trying to network of all those people.

Speaker 6 (01:27:42):
I was into a p I D. Radio early on,
like when I first got into it. Oh yeah, you know,
my my transition, I guess, starting to research a lot
of this stuff. I was started having dreams and I
was led to two websites. First of all, I've seen
the profit Yahweh video and I know you've been this
in in this for a while, but you remember who
that is, Prophet Yahweh, the guy who like some of

(01:28:04):
the UFO or command for the News or whatever. I've
seen that and he was talking about hoigh used or
Hebrew version of the Bible. And I've been beginning to
have some weird dreams about aliens and for me, there
were demons before that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
I'm scared of them, you know. I've seen that video
and it lit something within me.

Speaker 6 (01:28:19):
And then I found BIBLEUFO dot com Patrick Cook and
that page. That site was amazing, just all of these
Bible references that could be talking about UFOs and aliens
and technology and all of this stuff. And this was
before Ancient Aliens came out. He was actually interviewed on
Ancient Aliens a couple times before he passed away. Anyway,

(01:28:40):
that site no longer exist, but I've tried to rebuild
it at bibleufo dot net. So I've tried to kind
of carry on his work because his wife sold the
dot com and just lost his life work thousands of
thousands of pages, but led to that work. And then
when it comes to videos and stuff, obviously, you there's
the whole you know, aliens are evil and they're all demonic,

(01:29:03):
and they're looking to abduct you, and they are the
fallen angels and they're riding around.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
In spaceships and things like that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
And I got into that that was my thing, and
it was through PID Radio, you know, and Lyn mar
Zuli and you know, all of those guys at the
time that it was just across the board. The Christian
perspective is that they're demons and there's so much like
fear stuff, and yeah, aliens have the same abilities as angels,
but they're falling angels. They can walk through walls, they

(01:29:31):
can pull you out of your room and take you
on a travel on their ship. And you hear all
this stuff and it's like, wow, intriguing, so but but
I felt like it was biased. I felt like across
the board that like, that's all you're gonna get. What
about the angelic? If all of this is real? Now,
what about the real angels? Are they interacting? Are they
flying around watching over us? Do they are they here
with us? Are we just forsaken? All we got is

(01:29:51):
the Holy Spirit and the New Age in the occult,
get all the cool stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
And it's like a lot of them wouldn't talk too
much about it. And so that's when I personally started
just broadening my Google searches and I would hear them
name drop certain people and I would start looking them up,
whether it was you know, the CE five initiative, and
then you know, profit, yeahweh talking about that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
And that's when I.

Speaker 6 (01:30:17):
Kind of had a more of a broader view than
just aliens or demons and that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
Guy, I'm alone. I Mean, there were so many people
that I would.

Speaker 6 (01:30:26):
Just listen to hours and hours and hours, but I
felt like it was like just one narrative or whatever.
It was very closed minded and just showed you one
side and then seeing how Like again I mentioned everybody
mixing stuff together. You know, you have a demon, let's
say a real demon. Let's just say a di somebody.

(01:30:47):
Let's just say let's say a di somebody. Let's say
it's your uncle. Your uncle has passed away, shows up
in your room and and people say, well, there are
no disembodied spirits. That's a demon. So even in that case,
you're mixing two things up. Was it really your uncle
or was it a demon pretending to be your uncle.
The same thing with alien abductions or whatever, or aliens

(01:31:09):
in your room. You wake up and there's a being
at the end of your bed, and you wake up
and you say it's an alien, but no, it's really
a demon, or it's really an elemental that was just
passing through and you happen to see it, and now
you in a frenzy, you scare it. It scares you,
and now you write a book about how this alien
tried to take you out of your room. And we're
tying all of these things together because we know there's

(01:31:32):
really no such thing as just an angel and a
demon like those are reference those are titles almost like Lucifer,
Like an angel means a messenger, you know. It refers
to people as messengers too. And we have different types
of what you would call an angel. There's no angel. Hi,
my name is the angel. So and so he said,
I'm the messenger of Yahweh. You might be a seraphim.

(01:31:54):
You might be a cherubim. You might be a watcher.
You might be one of the four living creatures. You
might be a refine, you might be a you know, malachem.
There's so many types. So for us to say aliens
or angels or aliens or demons, you know, there's it's
trying to make it too too easy. And I think
that aliens are aliens and demons are demons, you know,

(01:32:18):
or whatever these type of beings are. And I think
a lot of people mix that stuff together.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I've I've kind of studied
all those different perspectives, and to me, it boils down
to testing the spirits once again, just like the Bible
says first John four to one, and then seeing what
these entities claim, What are their claims and what are
they you know, who are they giving praise and glory too?

(01:32:44):
You know, And I have yet, and I've least watched
hundreds and hundreds of hours of channeled information alien information.
I have yet to find anybody who's contacted an alien
or an interdimensional being that claims that Jesus Christ is
the Son of God and the way, the truth and
the life and the only way to salvation. I'm open
to that because I know that there are real angels,

(01:33:06):
but I don't know that angels are going to interact
on a podcast or a channel that. I mean, they can.
God can work in any way he wants. And from
my understanding biblically, of every description of an interaction of
an angel and a human has always been they look
like humans, you know, they just look like other people.
And you may not, and you know, you may entertain
angels unaware, you know, they've never heard of. And I'm

(01:33:32):
open to the idea of aliens as well. That there
are other living beings on other planets or dimensions. I
mean that is, there could be you know, other creations
that God created. I don't know, you know, we don't
know that for sure. And but like I said to me,
it's about connecting the dots of what they're saying, how

(01:33:53):
it agrees to what the Bible says, and then what
they do when you when you talk to them about
who is Jesus? What is their answer? What is their uh,
you know, intent? And why are they they're here? And
nine times out of I mean basically nine out of
ten experiences turns into an anti Christian message or an

(01:34:17):
idea that, you know, like I said, twisting God's message
that you are you are the christ consciousness. Forget about Jesus.
He was just trying. He just did these things that
he wants you to do himself. He's just like another
Buddha or another you know, Krishna or whatever. They're all
kind of the same avatars, just sent to try to

(01:34:37):
teach us human kinds the same thing. I think Jesus,
like you said, is the king above all those things.
He's the thing that all those other entities bow to.
There are other entities, there are good and bad interdimensional beings,
but I think it always boils down unfamiliar spirits as well.

(01:34:58):
That that uh, and how these things are separated, how
God orients you know, the different levels of angels, which
angels that fell are at these different levels, which ones
are chained in the abyss still for their you know, unleashing.
You know, there's lots of questions that I don't know,
and I'm satisfied with saying that I don't know because
we have things that are unfolding it, you know, as

(01:35:20):
we're seeing them unfold. So, you know, I have a
weight and see attitude kind of like with the uh,
you know, pre trib post trib type of thing. You know,
I was raised to believe in a rapture type of event,
But the more I dig into the word, the more
I see it's kind of up for grass, you know,
it's not really concrete. So I'm kind of calling myself
a wait and see tribber. Now, we've got to be

(01:35:42):
open for anything.

Speaker 7 (01:35:43):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
Yeah, they could come in.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
They kind of act like if you.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Don't and god, you don't control.

Speaker 6 (01:35:47):
They kind of act like if you don't believe what
they believe, then you're not going Like if you don't
believe that, if you're not a pre tribber, if you're
a post tribber, you're not going to get to go
with the pre trib crowd. Like, hold on, even if
I'm post like I still get to go no, No,
you got to have a you have to have a
right belief on how this happens, you know, and if
you don't, you're going to miss it. And that's weird,

(01:36:08):
but that's how they act, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
Yeah. I actually a few of my early songs come
from a pre Chrier perspective, and I kind of talk
about the rapture because that's what I was raised to believe.
And the other reason I leaned that direction is I
saw a lot of channelers and people within the talking
with aliens that were claiming that there would be a

(01:36:32):
great cleansing that had to take place, and that are
the you know, our alien brothers were going to come
and remove the age of Pisces, all those who believed
in the fish God or you know, this Jesus entity,
because they're the ones holding back the rest of humanity.
This is a big thing. Back in twenty twelve, many
authors were talking about this, how Christians and Christianity and

(01:36:54):
the belief in absolutes or the belief in one one
Jesus or one thing that's above all fans is the
main thing that holds back all of humanity from evolving.
And if we could just get rid of these people,
that we could all agree as one and then ascend
into these light beings and that the Age of Aquarius is.
That's what this is. You know, it's removing the Christian

(01:37:17):
belief system, the Pisces fish god and bringing in the
water Bearer. And that's why I believe you saw these,
you know, water bucket challenge things. To me, this is
a giant ritual to basically that's the image of the
water bearer. If you look up what is the image
of the aquarium age, it's somebody jumping a bucket of water.

(01:37:37):
So I think there's a lot of things that we
see that if people participate in and they don't really
know what they're involved in, so to speak. But I'm
open minded to the things that I've wanted because I've
been wrong before, so I have a wait and see
approach as far as some of these things.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
Yeah, now you have people calling up with all kind
of weird stuff, and I'm really weird about Channa channel information.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
For me, no matter who it is, I just try
to judge the fruit of it, like what is the fruit?
And like you said, the fruit of a lot of
that stuff is you know there is no Christ. You
are the Christ. But the weird thing of that, there's
some truth to that, you know what I'm saying. As
Christ lives.

Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
Have you ever heard anybody claim that, Yeah, for sure,
as the Holy Spirit, that's where it's I think it's
a thin line. But have you ever heard anybody who's
a channeler claimed that Jesus Christ is the only way
to salvation?

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
It's hard to say, you know, just to say with
an absolute you know what I'm saying. I should be
able to say it, I guess, But.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
I know now you are.

Speaker 6 (01:38:42):
I know now that Christians are getting into this, who
are followers of Christ, and they'll say, yeah, Jesus is,
you know, the only way, and Jesus is the way
of the truth and life.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
And they're getting into it now.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
Not the people. Not the people, I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
The entities they talk to you, the community, and.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
It is that they talk with. Have you ever heard
of an entity, an alien or a spirit that somebody
channels through them that says that Jesus Christ is the
only way through salvation. Because I look for it, I
would say, you know, it's to find something anywhere near
that me.

Speaker 6 (01:39:18):
I'm more I'm more with with my my relationship with
God and belief even in Christianity is a lot more
inclusive now. So I would say for me that word
is interchangeable just for me, and I could be wrong,
but for me that when you say Jesus Christ, to me,
that's the word is love. So and maybe this is

(01:39:40):
beaten around the bush, I don't know, but for me,
it's like when they say love is the only way,
except like radical forgiveness. Forgiveness is the only way. Like
these are the things that Jesus taught. Jesus was loved
that became a person.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
The scripture says God is love and his name isn't
even Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:39:56):
He's never heard that name. So maybe there's some of
that is jes This is the only way. They're like, ha, no,
But when a message comes again, I judge the fruit.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
I don't care if it's a who.

Speaker 6 (01:40:08):
It's telling you the truth because again, the messengers on
the other side of Christiandom are teaching you bigotry. They're
teaching you racism, they're teaching you that the Holy Spirit
is done away with like, they're teaching all kind of
weird demonic stuff. It's straight demonic, demonic. I know, I
used to study under the Black Heeper Israelites that teach
you that the blacks are the chosen people and we're

(01:40:28):
going to bring the whites back into slavery. And there's
scriptures that say, as you led into captivity, you shall
be led back into captivity as you oppress these people,
and like that's what they believe. I think most of
that teaching is demonic. But I've met I've met people
in the klu Klux Klan who teach, you know, very
similar to the Adolf Hitler stuff about white supremacy and

(01:40:50):
the white people are the chosen people and the black
people are this unevolved, demonic, demonized people who will never
even receive forgiveness because it's not for them. And like
there's weird stuff, demonic stuff that churches are teaching and
they are birthed out of and stuff. So with the
fruit of it, you know, his name isn't Jesus. I

(01:41:13):
don't think he's heard that name. We call him Jesus
and it symbolizes something when we say it. If you
don't believe in that name, like a lot of times
when you call upon that name, nothing happens. But when
I like when I say it, and when many other
people say it, like that's their savior. He pulled them
out of a life of addiction, a life of adultery.
They were headed down a broken path. And then so

(01:41:34):
that name has a different bearing when they say it,
and they have the intention behind it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
So when someone says that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:42):
I don't know about, like, you know, there's a lot
of weird stuff you get in Channel, But I can
agree with the ones who would say something like love
is the only way, acceptance forgiveness because those are the
very things that Jesus taught. And if the church folks
ain't saying it, God's gonna have somebody say it, whether
it's Channel pull or Starships or whoever we think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
But we got to be careful.

Speaker 6 (01:42:04):
I don't think any of these people have all of
it figured out, just like you said, you know, because
they're gonna hit you with that. Then they're gonna hit
you with drinking kool aid to kill yourself and jump
on the you know, the weird stuff that these churches
always well not churches, but people do. Because we're falling, man,
you know, And that's why we got to we can't
be worshiping people or entities or anything. We worship the

(01:42:27):
creator and not the creation. So everybody's a messenger. It
just depends on what your message is. And so I
can rock and listen with those people who have a beautiful,
enlightening message about how to better yourself and how we
better each other, how we love each other, because you know,
we've been around churches and stuff that preach that, but
we've also been around churches that preach separatism, that still

(01:42:50):
want to kill witches man and they still want to,
you know, go on witch hunts, and they still want
to do a lot of things that you know, whether
they're done away with or.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
Just don't make sense anymore, I think. But that's why
I take it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:03):
So when we say, you know, it's Jesus the only way,
and when they say love is the only way, forgiveness
is the only way that you're going to ascend to
the next level.

Speaker 4 (01:43:10):
Yes, forgiveness.

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
Why Jesus taught He is forgiveness, Like there is no
forgiveness outside of who he is and represents, and so
he's the model. He carried, He carried all of that,
he taught it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
So I mean, what would you say to that yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:43:27):
Yeah, no doubt. I think I think you know, to me,
it's about recognizing that we are sinners as well. You know,
that's a really hard subject for some people, is recognizing
that we all fall in short. That's kind of what
the good person test talks about in my song. It
talks about you know that, yeah, in comparison to hume
other people, you may be a great person, but you're

(01:43:49):
still not earning your way through works to godhood. You know,
it's through Christ that we're saving. It's through his shedding
of blood, it's through his sacrifice. It's no different than
you know, you could have a bunch of speeding tickets
and somebody can come in there and pay your fine
and you're set free and you didn't do anything. That's
what Christ does. He comes in and he pays our fine.

(01:44:09):
So it's not about our works, our our journey. God
will accept you right as you are. Christ will accept
you right as you are. And I think that's kind
of the twist, is that people want to believe they
have to do something. They won't have to accomplish something. Well,
I think search for secret knowledge and then discover it,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
I think the difference from where I am now is
from just two words you just you just said, is that?
And I think it's that that changes the idea of
the Gospel for me a little bit versus like God.
I guess I believe in universal reconciliation through Christ. Where
you said God will forgive you, I think for me,
I have this this view of the Gospel of changed

(01:44:47):
that God already forgives you. You just don't know it,
like you've already been part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
Dude. They released you six weeks ago. Why are you
still here? Dude? Nobody told me? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 6 (01:44:59):
How be a staved my life? I'm free? Yeah, Man,
he paid. It's not like he will forgive you or
he will pay your sin debt. Like listen, He's already
done it. You just don't know it. So that's why
we have to priest. So that that changed.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
That changes the way I view things a lot. And
it was like.

Speaker 6 (01:45:16):
Universe Christian universalists who I kind of heard share it
that way, like the Gospel already happened. You're not changing
his mind. Like he defeated sin, death, hell, and the grave.
It's over whether you receive it or not, that's on you.
You can sit in prison all you want, even if
you know it. There's people who have been let out
of prison, but they've been in there their whole life.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
That I ain't got nobody.

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
I don't have no friend, my family's dead, I don't
have nowhere to go, no money, I'm chilling, I don't
want to go. If you let me go, I'm gonna
go rob this bank so I can come right back
because I have nothing, and they just stay in prison.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Yeah, it's my life. So yeah, but they're free, no.

Speaker 5 (01:45:53):
No doubt. No. I mean I think I think, you know,
at some point, I think we've got to acknowledge I
think you have to acknowledge Christ in a way. I mean,
that's what I come from, is that you've got to
take the step to do it. You know, Christ did,
He's paid the price. It's there, it's free. It's waiting
that you've got to take the step to accept Christ
in your heart, allow him and say yes, I'm not

(01:46:16):
going to resist this. I want Christ in my life.

Speaker 6 (01:46:20):
And it doesn't it doesn't really become real for you
unless you do it like that, right, like, unless you
really kind of come to this realization. Yes, I'm gonna
say yes to everything that God has for me and
the work that He paid. Because even you know, there's
a lot of people touting against the sinner's prayer like
it's an unbiblical prayer and you don't have to ask
Christ into your heart. That's not even in the Bible.

(01:46:42):
But we know it works. Like when you kind of
come to this, have this realization and you're asking Christ
to come into your life to forgive you, like it
works or whatever. So definitely there is this realization that
I think you have to come to of asking or
coming to the end of yourself ask them into your Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
I mean it's like not only does it work, but
it's like there's also to me, it's like the enemy
is trying to make versions of this that are false.
He's trying to make the same type of hope and
same type of thing that's long we have this longing
to be forgiven, like you said, reconnect with a higher

(01:47:20):
power of some sort that made us or gives us
knowledge or tells us why we're here, and that they're
I think the enemy has lots of costumes, lots of disguises,
and it's within the Church, and nobody's got to figure
it out. Like you said, with even the best church
you go out there, there's going to be people in
that church that are deceived in one way or another

(01:47:41):
about something that they believe or something that they've refused
to look into investigate, and so they've shut themselves out
from even talking to certain people or whatever. There's a
lot of kind of shutting oneself off. I've seen in
the church, Like people that become Christians are like I
own interact with Christians now, you know, it's like, no,

(01:48:03):
We're supposed to be like Christ out there amongst the senters.
You know, that's our calling. And so I just think,
you know, that's really what we need to get back
to as just if you are a believer, it should
be your story. You should be, you know, walking that
path every day and being a representative of of that

(01:48:23):
of what you have. I believe in what you have experienced.

Speaker 6 (01:48:29):
That's right, man. Both sides are real, you know, light
and darkness. And that's why the scripture says choose this
day who you'll serve. And and also it says that
you worship you know, not what you know, because people
are doing things and a part of things that that are,
you know, they don't even know where it's from, and
it goes down a long journey of separating yourself. Listen,

(01:48:52):
I quit doing Easter, pagan holidays and Christmas and getting Christmas.
We did that for nine years, eating kosher pretty much
became a Messianic Jew and trying to you know, separate
myself to do the things that I saw Christ doing.
But it was you know, different, you know, to separate yourself,

(01:49:12):
and it wasn't the way, you know. And I did
it for nine years, and I felt like I was
closer to God because in my head I did.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
But I wasn't. Really, There's nothing really changed up. I
quit doing holidays and eating pork, you know. But everybody's
on their own journey.

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
That's all part of the journey, man, Yeah, exactly, That's
all part of it is. You know, none of us
got figure out. We're trying, We're we're listening. I feel
like it's like God's up here who wants us our
perfect will work. And then there's Satan down here who
tries to, you know, speak to our sin nature or
what we want sometimes, and then that's Cot in the middle.
You know, We're trying to figure out deciphering what's God's

(01:49:50):
will for our lives. What do I want to do?
And what is Satan tempting me or tricking me into doing?
You know? And I think I think the enemy has
had thousands and thousands of years to really create disguises
that are so convincing that, you know, the Pile talks
about if these days weren't cut short in the end,
that even the elect would be deceived. You know, even
the people most knowledgeable would also be deceived. That's how

(01:50:14):
convincing some of these deceptions will be. And so I
think we just got to I think that there is
some simple truths we can count on. And those simple truths,
the simple foundation is what is what we can what
we know to be true, and that's what we can
grasp onto everything else. Man, you know, we've got to
be willing to kind of balance that out with what

(01:50:36):
we know to be true. And and it's a journey,
and it's a struggle and none of us, none of
us know, So it's it's a but we can know.
I think that you can't experience that Christ is real,
and so you just got to want to ask him
into your art and and I think he will show himself.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
For sure, for sure, where do you go from here? Man?

Speaker 6 (01:51:02):
Music wise? Dropping the album? Did I know you guys
were on the verge of something new?

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
Right? Did you drop it already?

Speaker 5 (01:51:08):
Yeah, we just dropped. We dropped an album in October,
so that was our fifth album. So yeah, we have
over one hundred songs now available at our website Dusty
Lab dot com. And you can get all if you
say that you heard me on Truth Seeker and you
buy all four CDs, I'll throw in the fifth download compilation.

(01:51:29):
It's a compilation of thirty plus songs of remixes and
collaborations with other artists over the last twenty years or
so that I've done so and then also a free
sticker I'll throw in as well. So I go Dusty
Lab dot com and check that out. And then I
also have, like I said, a podcast I do with
my brother called Digging for the Truth with Arc and

(01:51:49):
Neo that we do once every week or two. And
I've got several interviews coming up later this month, and
we're gonna be on the ten fol Hot podcast nice
with Sam Sam Tripoli and then on with Tony Merkle's podcast.
So looking forward to that. And yeah, God's opened a
lot of doorways. Man. I really appreciate the invite here

(01:52:11):
because I just feel like it's on God's timing that
it's crazy that over the last year two how many
doorways he's opened up, and how many people are now
researching all these different things I've been talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
all on God's timing. So you know, I'm I'm turning
fifty years old this time this year, so really I'm

(01:52:33):
pretty over doing this, but you know, I'm sticking to
it and uh and we're going to continue to make music,
working on our sixth album now.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
So for his guys, what's up man, that's what's up man?
You got to you got to bring back some some puppets. Man,
with the horizonre we've gotten too far away.

Speaker 5 (01:52:51):
From I still that's what I do full time. I
just scoped tod this mask for Distortions Unlimited. So I
still do Aliens, creatures, mask design. That's what I do
for living all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
I didn't even know that that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:53:07):
Yeah. I build statues. Working on this is a Frizetta
Conan statue dude building. So that's what I do for times,
build statues, paint statues, and do custom sculptures for collectors.

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
That's awesome, dude.

Speaker 6 (01:53:21):
I'm a big fan of the eighties and nineties puppet
any of them, you know what I'm saying. And I'm
a part of a group on Facebook called Rubber Little Monsters,
and they just like show you these clips and movie
scenes from eighties and nineties of this, you know, people
creating the animatronics and stuff like that. And we definitely
have gotten away from that move to to CGI, which

(01:53:42):
is not convincing at all. The interesting thing though, do
I think a lot of the kids now would watch
some of the old stuff and say, that's not that's
not convincing, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
Yeah, I mean it's all about kind of what you
have to compare it to, you know. And when you
see all this, you know, fancy stuff, and then you
look at the stuff we people had in the eighties
or whatever you have, We had nothing to compare it
to you back then, you know, and when we saw
these things it was brand new and so real. So yeah,
I definitely love the puppets. Bring back the Puppets.

Speaker 4 (01:54:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:54:14):
My wife bought me the Tales from the Dark Side
box set a couple of years ago for Christmas, and
stuff and I just love those that old old you know,
George Romero and the zombie stuff and even walking Dad's
done a lot of cool stuff too though.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
They've kind of combined a lot of CGI with the the.

Speaker 6 (01:54:32):
Animatronics and the puppets and makeup and stuff like that,
which has been really cool.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Greg Nicato. And then what is it the Fright? Was
the Fright one called? It just came Creature right night
Right Club? No, it's doing, Greg Nicato. It just came
back on Fright. What's it called anyway? Greg?

Speaker 6 (01:54:53):
Greg Nicataro brought back a series that was from a movie,
which is pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
They're and puppets and all that kind of stuff too,
So I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it was It was quite
an experience living. I only lived there for like two years,
but I had like two cars stolen, my apartment broken into.
I spent one thousand dollars a month for you know,
just a studio apartment, and it's just like I felt
like and then I just felt I could go somewhere else.
I went up to Portland and made started my own

(01:55:24):
mask company and started selling trinkets and masks and puppets
and all kinds of things I made at the Saturday
Fair or the Saturday Market. They're in Portland. If people
are whare that, it's kind of the famous marketplace in
downtown Portland. Did that for several years and then got
into the cell phone business for like fifteen years, and

(01:55:44):
then I got out of that and had an antique
store for a few years. I sold, and then I
got back into doing the art full time. So it's
been n journey.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
It was a creep show, is what I was thinking of.
Creep show?

Speaker 5 (01:55:57):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a good band too.

Speaker 6 (01:56:01):
Enjoyed this talk, bro, Let's let me know if we
do something in the future. Man, whether it's music or
some more podcasts. Enjoy talking about this stuff. And it's
cool to have whether it's different points of view or
different experiences. And it doesn't it doesn't make someone else's
experience invalid, you know what I'm saying. But it's about
just exploring and being open to to other beliefs and

(01:56:25):
and this podcast for me is just like what's working
for you, Like what's helping you to get through these times?

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
Right? And uh, and obviously we know what it is
for you. You know, your.

Speaker 6 (01:56:36):
Relationship with christ and and uh and how everybody can
can can get some help getting getting through it. And
you know, over four hundred episodes man, and like everybody
has a piece of the puzzle, you know, like you said,
those who claim to have it all or be exclusive,
like I try to stay away from from a lot
of them, at least they're exclusive. Like you're talking about

(01:56:58):
Jesus is exclusive. That's another talk. But like your version
of Jesus is exclusive, or your modality or methodology to
tap into that is, you know, you get into other things.
So but hey, appreciate this talk, man, It's been really
good and hopefully people will go check out your work
and from my fans, if you haven't heard of Destiny Lab,
we definitely have an overlap of audience for years. People

(01:57:20):
send me your work or you know, tell me you
know that they listen to both of us and stuff,
so you know, send my people over there to go.
So check out your music and hopefully you guys find something.
He covers a lot of subject matters and stuff, so
make sure y'all go check it out. Go to the YouTube,
check out the podcast all that stuff. ARC Thanks for
coming on, man, really enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
Bro. We have to do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:57:40):
Absolutely, bro, thank you so much. God, bless you man, my.

Speaker 6 (01:57:43):
Brother, many blessings art from destiny lab ladies and gentlemen.
Make sure y'all check them out. Good stuff, good stuff.
Hopey all enjoyed it. And people have been waiting for
a long time for this talk to happen, and we
just did it. This made it happened. So dropping back
here in the comments, what up everybody? Thank you all

(01:58:04):
for hanging out. Le's see if there's any more comments.
I noticed something Terry was asking about Hell right, that
the fear of Hell right in wanting to know about
eternal torment, and we mentioned it a while ago. And
again I don't think anybody's an expert. I don't think
anybody's died and went to Hell and came back, you know,
and trying to figure out what it means. But I

(01:58:26):
would say there's a group on Facebook if you're on
Facebook called Rethinking Hell, Rethinking Hell, and so it is
a pretty interesting and they just re examine the idea
of eternal torment or eternal punishment forever. There's many different,
I guess schools of thought in that of like maybe

(01:58:48):
it was it's only for a season. It's a fire
is to refine you, to get things out of you
or off of you or whatever that you go through.
Definitely what God's fire is. And some people say it
did exist. It doesn't exist anymore. Jesus defeated it. But
there's more Christian views when it comes to eternal torment

(01:59:08):
as it's I feel like it's beginning to evolve, just
because the church narrative has been questioned, you know, whether
it's the Internet or free thought now. But they're pointing
to a lot of people, the early Church fathers, and
there's a lot of interesting quotes where they didn't believe
in eternal torment either, you know, and that Christ died

(01:59:28):
for all and and I'm definitely of that opinion these days.
So check out that group Rethinking Hell. I did a
podcast on it with one of the member of pastor
who's a part of that group. So if you want
to check that out, just go through the archives and
type in Rethinking Hell on my website truth sika dot
com and make sure you check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:59:50):
Who's Terry says Nice?

Speaker 6 (01:59:53):
Sam is the g talking about the Sam Chipoli I
think his name is. It's interesting because I was watching
their interview with Santo's Bonacci. It was funny because they
were googling Jordan Maxwell because somebody didn't know who Jordan
Maxwell was, and the thing that came up on the
screen as they googled it was my two interviews.

Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
With Jordan Maxwell. I thought that was cool.

Speaker 6 (02:00:13):
But yeah, and someone says Dante's Inferno for sure. Yeah,
like a lot of people think that our Christian concept
of hell comes from Dante's Inferno.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
So check it out.

Speaker 6 (02:00:23):
Check it out with that man, I'm gonna say Peace
and Shaloon. I enjoyed this talk, really good discussion, and
hope you guys stick around. Hope you subscribe to the channel.
If you're not subscribed yet, click that notification bell to
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we're doing retreats, cool stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:00:44):
You haven't had a chance to get my book yet.

Speaker 6 (02:00:45):
I go into a lot of this stuff that we've
been talking about on the podcast today in my book,
So make sure you go get that Truth Seka Spirit Realm.
It's available in Amazon with them Say Peace and Shaloon
will do it again.

Speaker 4 (02:00:57):
Piece Piece.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
So much much.

Speaker 4 (02:01:04):
So much so much so much, Well, that does it
for this episode. Folks.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
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