September 25, 2023 • 47 mins
Join Tim as he has a fascinating and compelling conversation with Rob Kennerson. Avid outdoorsman, Rob has had close up run-ins with Bigfoots in Arkansas and Oklahoma. Hear about his sightings and experiences as they dive into his past experiences.
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Spanning the entire globe, involving hundredsof different cultures, explaining the same phenomenon
by different name. The nature ofthe footprints, namely their remarkable consistency,
their biomechanical appropriateness, you know,those aspects that are are extremely compelling.
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Hey, guys, welcome to theBigfoot Influencers. My name is Tim Halleran.
I'm solo tonight. H Dana isnot going to be joining us,
so I'm sorry. We just wehad a crazy week. We were actually
we were traveling last week, spentsome time in Missouri, got out in
the woods a little bit, andjust trying to catch up. I'm super
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excited that we've got an amazing guest. I heard I heard our guest on
jeremyer Byron's podcast originally Bigfoot Society.Jeremiah was nice enough to connect connect me
with our our guest tonight, Rob, and then just super excited to have
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and Rob's got some fascinating experiences andwe're probably I'm just gonna set you guys
up now, We're probably not goingto get to all of them, because
I think I could have Rob onfor two or three hours or sit around
the campfire. Hey, Rob.How you doing. Yeah, yeah,
again, I apologize here, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jeremiah was was
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just kind enough. I heard youryour I heard you on his podcast,
and I was just blown away andI just just compelling your your background,
you're you know, what you've experiencedout there, and just super super excited
to have you here. And you'renot too far away from us. So
maybe maybe we'll get up there anddo a get out in the woods and
do a podcast. So that wouldbe kind of fun. I'll just take
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you in the backyard here. Yeah, that's what I mean, You're not
that only a few hours away.We could definitely do that. Yeah,
you know, what's your background?You know, can you can you just
share share a few sentences about thatwith the audience. Honestly, I grew
up in Oklahoma, Eastern Oklahoma,just mountains and mountains and lakes and streams,
growing up in Oklahoma when I firstgot there, I was originally California.
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So growing up as a kid,the subject of sas watch is definitely
piqued my entry us at a youngage, you know, with the Patterson
Gimblin film, you know, beingshown on television, you know, picking
up picking up books, and thingsof that nature. As as a kid
in reading up on the subject,it was always in the back of my
mind when I got When I gotto Oklahoma, all of that stuff kind
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of became reality in a sense.Where I'm from there in eastern Oklahoma,
this subject is everybody knows. Youcould literally walk up to random people and
like, do you believe in Sasquatchand they'd be like yeah. And the
reason for that is most of usspend a lot of time in the woods,
and we understand that if it leavesprince, it's alive and it breathes.
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Nobody's out there in the middle ofthe middle of nowhere, you know,
trying to hoax people, especially inthe backwoods Oklahoma, it's just not
happening. Where I grew up,the Queen Wilamino Mountain Range runs into the
Washatas. That would be looking justdirectly directly back. I'm right actually on
the I grew up right on theborder of Arkansas. There. The Washatas
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run right out of there into theKayamie. She's the winding stairs and range
is also right. We were alwaysin the woods, either hunting or fishing
or her or just going back roadingand four wheeling and you know, doing
camping out you know, later onin life, I got into I got
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into climbing in the nineties and I'vepretty much been doing that ever since.
So I get out, I getoutside an awful lot. I spend most
of my time outside. If I'mnot at work, I'm in the woods,
whether whether it be hiking or climbingor just to just to be out
in nature. I spend as muchtime out there as I possibly can.
I always have. But when Igot to Oklahoma, my great uncle he
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told me a story and it kindof freaked me out a little bit,
but I thought he might be fittinga little bit, and then he and
then he actually took me out there, so I could start off with that
one. So my uncle told methat they'd bought some property out past Hodgen,
Oklahoma. You're probably not gonna youmay find that on a map.
And they bought some property out there, just outside of the Blue it's in
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the Blue Mountain range there, whichis basically the Washing Toss. And they
got their cabin built and they wentout the first night, him and his
wife, and they never went back. Four individuals decided that they didn't really
like that cabin, and they startedthrowing rocks at the cabin and some of
them were large enough to go throughthe roof. You know, I kind
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of want to call beat yes onit. And then he, you know,
put me in the truck and tookme out to the cabin that had
been there for years, and thosestones were still sitting in the inside the
cabin. The holes are still thereand the cabin is still there. It's
I mean, it's fallen down onitself, but it must have happened.
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So I definitely believed him after that, I mean, proofs in the pudding.
And then years later, I guessit would be a few years later,
me and a buddy, my bestfriend still still to this day,
we decided we're going to go outand see if we couldn't, you know,
kill a couple of hogs. Andwe decided to go out towards the
Queen Wilhelmina Mountain Range out to aplace called Deer, Oklahoma. Deer's basically
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a four way stop that other thanthat it's just in the mountains. It's
it's literally a truck like you canpull an eighteen wheeler off on the side
of the road there that's deer.And we started to go back towards the
Arkansas border there the state line,and we decided to go up the mountain
there. We went up an oldlogging road, and we were on this
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thing for for miles, just youknow, looking out the window to see
if we could, you know,spot tracks, see tracks, get out
of the truck, go that way, follow the tracks. And we were
coming up the up the mountain kindof a kind of a steeper area,
and we were coming around a prettypretty sharp curve and as it flattened out,
my buddy slammed on the brakes.And I know exactly why I did
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it, because I was looking atthe same thing out my window that he
was looking out his window. Now, mind you, this is a this
is an old nineties you know,crew cab Ford. It's not a small
truck. And what I was lookingat was a very large human footprint.
Basically he was looking at the samething. We both looked at each other
when oh wow, we used someother wording trying to keep it clean.
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They may not say that way,but anyway, it must have just crossed
because there was water seeping out ofthe print itself and it took one once.
In that one stride, we obviouslyscared the individual, and it was
definitely a running stride. I wouldI would, I would say. And
in that stride it was literally aswide as the truck. It went from
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the one door to the other sideof the truck, because I had a
full print on my side, andhe had a print that was just kind
of into the where the little bitof a runoff was on the side of
the road there the print was rightthere, next print on the other side
of the door where I was ina passenger seat, and then the next
print was literally a couple of feetoff the ground up the bank. Okay,
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you could just see it. Soit obviously crossed in front of us.
Like I said of the track itself, we used some colorful words,
grab the rifles, and he jumpedout of them. Can you can you
describe the print? Yeah, Bryan. At the time, he's about six
four six five three sixty pounds ofman. He wears a size third and
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his foot it was about i'd say, about seven inches across across the front
and maybe a five inch heel.It was pretty fat. It was pretty
big, and only that it wasit was really in the mud. Now,
it had raked two days prior tothat, so it was still kind
of cloudy and drizzly the day beforethat, and maybe in the mountain it
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might have got a little bit ofextra ring, but it was still wet
out. So we jumped out ofthe truck and headed out towards towards the
prince, and you could definitely followthe track way into the woods. We
got in sixty or seventy yards andwe decided that it was this was just
a bad idea. We could wecould smell him or it, and it
smelled like death. You'll never forgetthat smell once you've smelled it, so
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you know, the hairs on theback of your next end up. The
wow factors definitely was definitely there.We're like, wow, this is really
happening, Like this is this isawesome. And at the same time you're
like, let's go. I wantto get out of here now. So
we jumped in the truck. Wedrove up the road a little ways,
turned around, and we had itdown the mountain hog hunting trip over back
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to the house. We we wetalked about it a little bit down the
road, and then we just gotquiet and just sat there and thinking about
what happened. I'm sure that's whatwas going through Brian's mind as well as
mine. That was the first instancethat I actually seen physical evidence of a
Sasquatch. You know, I wassixteen, maybe somewhere on that age.
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That was the first time I actuallyseen signed And like I said, if
if it leaves a track, it'sbreathing, especially out in the middle of
nowhere. We are heat. Iguess Headner's probably fifty miles at least from
that spot, and there's nothing elsethere except for Zoe, Oklahoma, which
is I think eight people live there. I don't They don't even have a
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post office. I'm pretty sure it'sjust eight people that live in a place
called Zoe. Wasn't Class A,it was just it was just footprints.
But let me tell you, thosefootprints were very fresh. Like I said,
the water was running out of them. It literally crossed in front of
us. We just we just justmissed. You know, even with a
rifle in hand, and even withmy three hundred and sixty pound Boddy,
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we were still pretty pretty frightened andtaken aback by the situation. So we
jumped and truck off the house.Years later, I believe it was two
thousand and two, me and aclimbing partner, and we've been we've been
climbing partners for a few years,and we decided that we're going to go
ahead and quit our jobs and goto work for the Boy Scouts of America.
And I was living in Fayette,Arkansas at the time. We had
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to go to the BSA camp anddo some training and whatnot in order to
do what we were gonna do.I was gonna be the trekking director for
a high adventure camp. He wasgoing to be the climbing director. I
would be the assistant climbing director forthe Boy Scouts of America. The camp
is located on the Buffalo River inthe Buffalo River region there in Arkansas,
just outside of Jasper, Arkansas.It's literally in Jasper, basically, it's
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the only town there really And inpreparation for this, we know, we
left camp camps actually in South Texas. We drove back up. It was
probably last week end of April twothousand and two. We're pretty athletic dude
still to this day, I doa lot, but we decided to really
get on these trails and make surethat we could, you know, do
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the task at hand. As atrekking director, the boy scouts were after
their fifty mile or patches, whetherfifty miles on the river or fifty miles
on trail. So that was myjob, and I wanted to make sure
that I could I could do thatjob as efficiently as possible. And not
only that, I wanted to makesure that I mentally took notes of interesting
spots within the trail and things ofthat nature. So we decided to go
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for a run one morning. Itwas a long runs around twelve miles,
six miles out, six miles backthe trail. There's called the BRT,
the Buffalo River Trail. There's anupper trail and a lower trail. The
lower trail runs the runs right nextto the Buffalo River. We decided to
take the high road and then comeback on the low road. We took
the high road because it was earlyin the morning, it hadn't hadn't started
to warm up yet. Like Isaid, it's the last last week of
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April coming into May, so whatthe you know, weather was pleasant,
sunny, beautiful day. We tookoff and on our way back We stopped
maybe a quarter of a mile pastthe place called Horse You Bend. River's
got a horse you Bend, andwe decided to we're gonna take a dip.
The Buffalo River is lined with limestonecliffs that go up to almost three
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hundred feet, and we salivate asrock climbers. We salivate over these things
because they're they're just they're beautiful.They look like somebody painted it with a
paint brush. So we went inthe water. I came out of the
water and I'm looking at the bluffin front of me. There's this beautiful
line with a crack in it,and I'm thinking, we can definitely climb
this thing. And my advantage pointwas such that I could actually see a
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little ways past the top of theof the cliff there, and I was
following the lineup and Carl was stillsoaking in the water for a second,
and I noticed that there was somebodystanding there watching us. So I call
Carl out out of the river.I used the colorful words. I said,
Carl, get your ass out ofthe water. You need to come
see this now. Carl is wecall him crazy Carl for a reason,
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but he's a very serious individual.He's kind of a skeptical when it comes
to anything that he can't see ortouch. Honestly, I don't think the
subject of sasquatch. I don't thinkwe ever even brought it up until this
day. I told him coming andI said, Carl, get your ass
out of the water. I said, come here and sit down and take
a look at what I'm looking at. It goes, you're looking at that
route, and I'm like, notanymore. And he goes, what's up?
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And he sits down. I said, now follow that lineup, and
what do you see about forty yardspast that top of that bluff? He
said, is it that? Iwas like, that is a very large
human at that moment. There's twocedar trees. He's standing in between the
cedar trees. And I don't wantto give you it was. It was
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a very large individual. If wereto guess that individual at least a feetall,
and not only that, he wasas white as a as a two
door refrigerator. No problem. Andwe're as we're looking at him, he's
standing very very still. You cansee his you can see him playing his
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day. You can't make out anyfeatures. He's a little too far up,
but he's standing between two cedar trees. And then he starts to sway
back and forth. Now those thereis no wind by the way was windy,
and those cedar trees are not moving, and he's standing taller than the
cedar trees were. Carl's kind oftripping out a little bit. He's like,
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man, what the And I'm like, I know, I know.
And so we sit there, we'rewatching him watch us for a minute,
and like I said, he startsto sway back and forth, kind of
ape like in a sent's like itwas like it was kind of exciting for
it, for it. That's howI felt, you know what I mean,
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Like he was like, you know, he's he kind of just started
to do this thing. And andthen he just crouched down, hands hands
in between both legs. He justsquatted down. Now he got himself small
like that. I think he realizedwe were we were looking at him.
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And when he when he squatted down, we continued to watch this. This
went on for a couple of minutes. In that situation time you're not really
thinking about it, but in hindsight, this is going on for a few
minutes. He didn't he didn't justup and leave. Carl actually got up
and jumped back in the water fora second, jumped back out, and
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I was like, we should probablyget out of here. He's like grabbed
the backpacks, and so we turnedaround, grabbed the backpacks and as we
as we turned around to look,he was gone. So we knew we
weren't. We weren't just seeing things. Those two cedar trees are there,
and the individual in the middle wasgone. But I had two within a
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week. Now he is on theopposite side of the river. That the
that the BRT is on Camp getstarted. The following week, I had
a troop come out of Louisiana andwe were getting ready for a fifty mile
er. I got everybody situated packedup. I had some food drops made
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at certain certain points along along theriver so we didn't have to carry so
much, and I explained to thescout masters that the train was was difficult
and that I might get ahead ofthem, and if I do get ahead
of them, don't worry about it. I'll be waiting when you when you
top the hill. I'm a fasthiker. Keep an eye on the kid,
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it's keep him on the trail.YadA, YadA, YadA. Okay,
so we have we have to likeinto Kyle's Landing and then out of
Kyle's land the VRT goes up,or you can take the brch Low Road.
I decided to take down the highroads so they can actually see the
vistas and the views from up topof the Buffalo River. It's a really
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good, really good, really goodhike through there. And we got about
I'd say about an hour we weregoing up up the trail there out of
Kyle's Landing. And I just wantto quickly explain that there there are elk
in this area. It's the onlyplace in Arkansas where there is elk.
I did get ahead of them,I was, I was a good sixty
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eighty yards up the trail. Ikind of hear the kids, but I
like, I like getting ahead andjust and just keep in my own pace
and stopping when everything flattens out outand wait for everybody to come up.
It gives the scouts time to,you know, interact with their scout leaders
or their dads, so mostly theirdads of Scout leaders. And and I
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hear, I hear a limb ora tree break, really is what it
sounded like it sounded like a treejust snapped. It was it was.
It was loud enough that I tookoff running towards it. That's when this
happened. So not only did Ihear a limb snap, you could also
hear a large So I took offtowards it. In my mind, I'm
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thinking, elk, Why just noise. I just went towards the noise.
I wanted to see if I couldget up there and maybe whistle at him
and keep him held so the kidscould come up and maybe see the elk
those split second thought, I ranup the trail, I don't know forty
fifty yard. As I came overthe top, the branch itself was sitting
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in the trail. I'd obviously wokehim up, and it was in the
tree, and I guess when hecame out of the tree, and it
was definitely he. We'll get tothat part in a second. He came
out of the tree. He cameout with a vengeance, and I guess
he'd grabbed that limb and the limband snapped. I happened to look left
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because I caught movement. So assoon as I did look left, there
he was. He was thirty betweenthirty thirty five yards. For me,
my yardage is pretty good. I'mpretty good with deer hunting. I can
judge yard it's pretty well. Here'sabout thirty thirty five yards. He was
standing behind a very large oak tree. He was holding it in a manner.
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His arm came all the way aroundthe front of it, so I
had a full vision of not onlythat half of his body as well as
the large hand that's holding onto thetree. And it was a tree peak,
that's what you want to call it. He was kind of trying to
get small. He wasn't exactly erect. He was kind of sitting down a
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little bit. And as as Istarted to look at him, of course,
I'm taking all of this information inas fast as I can, because
there's no telling how long this individualis going to be standing there. But
I hear the kids coming up,and so did it he And that's when
he stood up. You could hearthe kids running up. And when he
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stood up, he stepped out justenough that I could catch almost three quarters
of his body easily, as wideas a double wide refrigerator. The best
way to explain this hulking individual wasa left tackle, and an NFL left
tackle in full pads was not quiteas big as this individual. His arms
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were as as they were way biggerthan my legs. And his biceps were
they were ridiculous, they were,they were enormous. His just his debts
on the side of his or atleast this wide. They just came down
like this. No neck. Theindividual was a very very dark brown.
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You could actually get a little bitof reddish tone into because of the way
the light was coming filtering through thetrees, you could see a little bit
of red. His face was veryhairy, okay except for the cheekbones here,
same as my beard, except forit would come up and it was
just across across here. His peckswere actually wide open. The skin was
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very very dark. I did notsee the bottom of his hand really clearly.
The hair that hung off of hisarm was oh, I don't know,
five or six inches hanging. Itwas very dreadlocky, matted. If
you would as he stood up,that's when I really that's when you could
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really unjust witness the size of theindividual. It would you could even through
all the hair, you can justsee the ripped I mean he was ripped
muscle. I wish I could getthat ripped. It was just tons of
muscle. I would probably estimate hewas five hundred pounds or better. He
hadn't and it was solid muscle,not like that his He was very barrel
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chested. And the reason I knowthat is because he stood up. As
he stood up from the tree,he let go of the tree and that's
when he kind of it wasn't reallya smile, it was kind of a
maybe he just showed me his teethand kind of disgusted, like he just
did one of those. And hestood up, and he and he turned
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and he started to walk away.And as he turned, I noticed that
there was a bit of gray thatcame down to a point on his on
his back, you could see hisflats. I mean, he was just
enormously wide across the back. Noneck, I don't. Everybody says they
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have cone shaped heads. Now,he did have a very pronounced brow,
I set back, cheap bones,out flattened nose. His jaw was very
wide. It was almost kind ofridiculous in a sense. It was almost
I don't even know how to explainit. It was very like if I
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had his skull. I could stickit on top of my head and wiggle
it around, is how big itlooked. As far as his jaw line
was concerned. His hair was veryvery long across the top and going down
his back, and all of thehair that was coming off of his head
from where his neck would be alot of it was very matted and almost
dreadlocked onto his back. Like Isaid, it was very very dark brown,
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almost black, with these red redhues in the in the in the
hair. I don't want to callit fur because I'm telling you right now,
they're they're not apes. They arevery human. I feel like we
were fooled by museum pieces of whatNeanderthal actually look like. I feel like
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I feel like they toned down alittle bit. And why is this is
probably the reason why on it Ifeel like they're a homini. They're definitely
a human of some sort, whetherthey be homo erectus, Neanderthal division somewhere
in that range, you know,I don't know. But what I can
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tell you is is they're very large, hairy humans. They're they're humans.
Everything about his facial structure bring humanto me. The only thing, the
only difference is size and hair.If you had to go live out in
the woods, you'd have to adaptand your body would do that. And
if it's been millennia, you're gonnaadapt very well, and those those traits
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are gonna, they're gonna, they'regonna be bred in, even if it
comes down to better vision at night, things of that nature. If you're
if you're a wild human, Ican understand how that happens over over a
millennium. Adaptation, those adaptations happenin every single animal that we know of
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as species. They have to adaptto their environment, and I believe that's
exactly what we're dealing with. We'redealing with humans that are feral now where
they are in our in our inour family tree. That's a that's a
doctor meldrum correct question. I can'tanswer that one, but but I can't
tell you that from what I saw, I would think they're neander Fall or
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somewhere in that general vicinity of humanor even you know, something outside of
that. But that's probably as closeas I could think. Because Neanderthal we're
quite heavy boned. I mean weall we have is bone bone records,
so they were very a little bitdirtier than we are now. As far
as size and stuff is concerned,you know, I don't know where that
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comes from. But as far astheir look is concerned, there's some type
of pomative for trying to ape.I mean, I guess we are considered
apes. But but they're not gorillas. Okay, even gorillas are capable of
learning sign language and love and carryingand things of that nature. So you
describe sasquatch as a as a mindlessanimal, we're doing ourselves an injustice there.
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I can completely understand why they whythey hide, and why they stay
in the woods, and then they'rethe hide and seek champions of the world
because humans are nasty. We're youknow, we have guns, we start
fires. We were not very nice. I would I would stay away from
us too if I were them.We're not exactly safe. The safest the
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safest spot for them as the woods. Which is the reason I'm even talking
about this is because people ought toknow that they exist. One Two,
we have to figure out a wayto come up with some type of conservancy
or protection because I mean, Ican kind of understand why nobody wants to
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admit it, because if you admitthat there is humans living in the woods,
those woods have to become off limits, and oil by bye bye,
cutting down the trees and clear cutting, bye bye, all of that stuff.
So I can understand how how moneyplays a part, and how government
wants to keep that under wraps asas much as they possibly can. But
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nowadays, I feel like a lotmore people understand what they are one and
and now what to look for,which is which is positive as long as
they you know, don't go huntingfor them. As a hunter, even
if I had a rifle, Idon't know that I could pull the trigger.
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They're they're they're humans. They're humansperiod. But I don't know any
other way to explain it. I'mactually Native America myself. I have a
little bit of Spanish since the beard. I'm a Pache and Yaki. So
as far as Native tradition is concerned, you know, most tribes in the
United States have a name for it, right, they all have a name
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for them, especially when it comesto the Northwest. You know, Oregon,
Washington, all the way up intoAlaska. Most of the tribes up
there, you know, they didtotal there's not a total pull out there
that has a fake animal on itjust not a faith. There's a bear
and wolf and eagle and spots rightat the top of the total. And
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when it comes down to it,you should probably listen to to the ones
who actually lived out there amongst thetrees in the woods with everybody else.
That's how we you know, that'show we came across medicine. We were
listening to totives tell you what workedfor what so I and not only that
there's no reason to lie, butyou know, in order to keep things
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controlled. You know, I understandwhy government would would not want it possible.
A lot of money out there,You're gonna you're gonna miss out on
it if you if you start toprotect something that you might frighten, you
might frighten some individuals from going outinto the woods. I actually know individuals
that have been frightened from going backout into the woods, and they even
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owned the property and they don't evenwant to go back out there because they've
come across these individuals. So anyway, as far as Arkansas was concerned,
those those were the those were thetwo happenstances that I had. It really
it really opened my eyes up toto to what's going on is a blessing.
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Really, It's one thing to talkabout it. It's one thing to
see footprints. It's another thing tounderstand and see one. I've already told
you. I've been in the woodsa lot. I lived in Dallas for
ten years, and the closest rockclimbing areas to us are either Austin or
Arkansas as far as developed well,and in Oklahoma as far as developed areas
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are concerned. But just across theRed River there. Growing up there,
I know that there's a lot ofabundance of sandstone. So some of my
friends and I was like, hey, listen, we need to start Google
map in some areas over here byByatka in the McGee Creek area towards Startus
Lake, And we ended up findingsome some areas out there. We did
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our due diligence and we got permissionto go out and start developing this area.
On the I guess that'd be fortythree Highway forty three outside of Daisy,
which is just the opposite side ofMcGee Creek. The McGee Creek entrance
that we usually went into was offof Highway three outside out of Patoka.
We went out and we drove downthis road. It's off of off of
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Highway three. I don't know,eight ten, twelve miles. It's ways,
it's it is paved, but notreally and it goes out into the
park. There is a left turnthat it can take you down to a
boat a boat ramp, and thenit just comes in there's some primitive camping
areas. There is a ranger stationor house. The regier stays there,
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and if you keep driving a coupleof miles you get to the end of
the road. It's just as justa cult of sack down there. We
got out of the car and wewe the trail was directly in front of
us. It went down into theright into the valley. The lake was
straight in front of us. Aswe started to go down right, we
were trying to make a decision onwhether to come to turn back because we
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had seen a little bluff line andright underneath us as we're going down the
trail we were on. We wentdown the trail just a few minutes and
we hear a whoop. It wasvery apparent whoop, and it was just
up the hill, just more towardsthe center of us. Looking and then
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the third whoop came from basically behindus where the gully goes back towards the
rangers station. Now, my buddywho was with me, he was from
Baltimore. This is basically his firsttime in the woods, and you know,
he asked me, he said,Robs that, and I said,
I can tell you what it isn'tI said, it's not a bear,
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it's not a raccoon, and it'snot a deer, it's not a hog,
none of that. So they werejust standing there kind of puzzled,
and I was kind of excited insidebecause it's been a while. This is
twenty ten, so it's been abouteight years since I witnessed anything. And
then we get another wood off inthe distance, and then a few minutes
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later, the tree came down,and I mean the whole tree came down.
So they pushed down a tree andwe decided we probably ought to leave,
so we did. I was Iwas probably the one that brought that
up. I was like, Ithink it's about time we go now.
But now I know what's going onout there. So we all kind of
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bouldered around on some stuff for alittle while. We heard the tree come
down. We got up out wewent. Then I talked my friend,
my center guy who sets most ofthe routes in the gym. I talked
to him, going back out there, we'll see if we can find some
other boulders. Going down and left. We had to close the gym down
that night, and we decided togo out late. It was cold.
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It was March, maybe probably lastweekend of March, and started to warm
up a little bit. Prior tothat February was there was ice storms and
stuff January December, January February inthat area. At that year, a
lot of trees came down like bombwent off out there. There was just
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tree tops everywhere. We got.We got into a toko before the liquor
store closed because we did stop andgrab a little after thirties that night,
and we prepped for it because thenext day was supposed to be sunny and
be in the fifties. Sandstone isreally it really starts to it feels a
really good kind of tightens up ifyou would, and the friction on it
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is really good in your hands,especially for your climbing shoes. So climbing
in the fifties on sandstone is kindof so that's what we were hoping for.
So we stopped at toko, wegrabbed a half pina soko and we
headed back out. Now, wewe camped on the left hand side of
the road there in a little primitivearea just before literally you could walk across
the street, you know, fiftyyards and the ranger station is right there
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the house. There's a four wirebob war our fence across the road that
at that time the road was basicallydirt. It's been fixed since then.
As he was setting up camp,I said, hey, hey, listen,
I'm gonna jump. I'm gonna goacross the road over here. I
see a bunch of wood over thereI'm gonna bring. So I go across
the road and there's a tree withhaway in it. So I start picking
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up lembs and snap off between whyand I'm throwing them, you know,
making lots of wood noise, snappingoff trees, throwing them over the fence.
As I snapped off, and Ithinking back as this happened, I
believe that was the what brought theindividual. So we make our camp fire,
We drink a little bit of soco. We do not finish the bottle.
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By the way, we were notdrunk. We were definitely a warm
inside though, because it was cold. We decide we're gonna climb into bed,
so we climbed in the tent tryto go sleep. We knew that
we had two girls, two ofour girlfriends coming in in the morning,
but there is no cell cell phoneservice out there. You're in the middle
of nowhere, so I wasn't evenexpecting a phone call. My friend.
We'll just keep him nameless. Hewakes me up in the middle of the
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night, Rob, wake up.Somebody's in our camp side and I hear
I have a little flip one ofthose little blue and white iglue coolers,
the little FlipTop ones, you know. He pushed the button, flip it
over. I hear something messing withit, and he said, somebody's in
our campsite. Now we're in themiddle of absolutely nowhere, Oklahoma. I
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don't we didn't hear a car come, so, you know, those thoughts
are kind of going through my head. But now I hear somebody in the
camp site. So I had myCRKT knife with me, and it's not
a small one. I grabbed awhole of it that Kensey was already unzipping
the tent. Kensey said, itjust stuck down behind the car. Or
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he just stuck down behind the car, it's what he said. So he
unzipped the tent. We both comebarreling out of there, and when we
did, it stood up and tookoff. And when it stood up,
we immediately stopped. We weren't movinga muscle. He went full on white.
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I probably did too, because whenit took off, it was running
down a fence line. So thecar was parked at another Bob White fence
here, which actually is where peoplewill pull their horse trailers into that little
that little vicinity there, get theirhorses out and take them out on the
trail. It ran down the fenceline back towards the lake, and it's
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the only way to describe it,is like a herd of elk busting through
the brush. I mean you couldjust hear it wop wop wop, and
just everything is breaking as he goes, and then you hear the fence pop
and then wop wop, wop wop, And you could hear this thing running
off for one hundred yards, justbreaking everything in its path, just running
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full Nils to say it, wedidn't get much sleep that night. We
did end up falling asleep. Byhappenstance, my phone rings, Like I
said, there's usually no service outthere, And as my phone is ringing,
the girls come driving by, soI pick up the phone. I'm
like, hey, you just passedus. Turn around, come back.
We'll meet you the road. Asthey're turning around, I look at Kenzie
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and I'm like, I don't saynothing, man. He's like, I'm
not saying a damn thing. I'mlike, they won't want out here ever
again. He goes, I don'tknow that I want to come out of
her ever again. I was like, it's gonna day, you know,
like we're gonna it's gonna be agreat day. Calm down. Well,
as that's happening, girls are goingdown and they're turning around and coming back
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to our little camp site, anda gentleman comes pulling in with a horse
trailer. He pulls into that thatspot just behind our camp site. There.
I love you too, body,you know. The girls come in
and we're chit chatting and we're gettinggear out basically bouldering pats that are basically
backpacks to get everything ready to go. We're gonna throw it in the throat
in the car and head out.And the guy's trying to get his horses
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out of the out of the trailer, and they don't want to come out.
They come out and run back it. They come out when he stand
up when he right back in thetrailer. So me and Kenzie walk over
the fence line and we're like,hey, everything, okay, do you
need any help? He was like, I have no idea. What's wronging
my damn horses. They do notwant to ride today, So I guess
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we're going home. And me andKensey kind of looked at each other,
We're like, I bet we knowthey know they could smell it. I'm
sure they could. We could not. I didn't smell anything at this in
the morning. I did not.I didn't smell anything that night either.
So since we were standing at theat the fence line there that there's a
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four while by bar fence, Inoticed down and left there where I thought
I heard the fence pop. Thefence is broken. I was like,
can be right back, And Istart looking at the ground. The train
there is very rocky, okay,finding footprints and you're on an absolute beautiful
on the trail itself. Finding footprintsin the woods there, it's not happening.
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It's just rock everywhere. Woods leads, you know, finding a footprint
there's needle in a haystack. Butyou can you can always see somebody where
tracks went through leaves. And then, my gay, it's kind of went
up because all of the branches betweeneight and nine feet, maybe even a
little taller eight between eight and ninefeet, we'll just call it that they're
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broken. You can just you cansee it as you're looking down the fence
line. You can see where iteverything was broken. And the only I
keep doing this because if you're runningthrough the woods at night, this is
the best way to keep stuff outof your face. So I can imagine
that's what's happening. So I walkeddown. I could see I could see
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see a track way going that way, except for there's no imprints. Just
you can see where all the leaveswere puffed up. So I walked down
to the fence and sure enough,what I didn't think about was there any
hair on there. I did notthink about that. But you could see
where it had hit the fence,and you could see a spot where the
leaves like he pitted or spun thereand then headed back down and which is
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exactly what I heard at that night, which brought me back to the camp
site. We get the girls up, we go. I left everything in
the camp We left everything in thecamp site, exactly the way it was.
Day days over. Girls come back. They're like, hey, we're
gonna head back Dallas. We're like, we're gonna, we're gonna pack up
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whatever. So me and Kinsey getthere and we sit down and we're all
day we're thinking about this. Iknow he was thinking about it. I
saw a big Yes you did,sir, That's exactly what we saw.
Now it's nighttime and there it iseight foot tall human behind our call.
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But that's when I looked at theigloo and I was like, okay,
so if raccoon, I would bebatting at it trying to get to it.
So I batted at it a littlebit and I was like, that
wasn't what I heard, and Iknocked it around. Nope, that wasn't
what I heard. And I hadthem Nalgene bottles full of water inside there.
So I picked it up and Iwent like this and that's exactly what
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I heard. And you have tohave someone to do that one, because
all I heard was the junk.So it picked up my iglue and was
looking at it because I the exactsound came from when I picked it up
and looked at it. Because myanalog bottles were inside. They were not
full of water. They were theywere already empty. But you could chum.
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You could hear him. And Iwas like, I was like,
you picked up my egglue, manand kids. He was like, that's
exactly what happened. He was,That's exactly what happened. I was like,
put it down. I was like, I'm getting chills thinking about it.
It was, it was, itwas. It was thrilling. So
that's McGee Creek now McGee Creek ifyou look on the map McGhee Creek.
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I literally went and spend a weekout there by myself. I lived on
fish. I wanted to see ifI could go out there. It was
four days, not a week.Four days. I went out there for
four days and I slept in thewoods in a hammock, and I took
a knife and a lighter, andthat was pretty much it. I wanted
to see how easy it would beto survive out there for a couple of
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days, I didn't have anything elseto do, so I rock climb and
bouldered, and I went down andI went fishing. I took some string
and hooks and whatnot, and Iwent fishing. And when I couldn't catch
fish, I just jumped in thewater noodle because in Oklahoma that's we do
that. We just jump in thewater and fill up underneath stuff and you
pull a fish out. Most ofthe catfish. The wildlife out there is
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just plentiful there. There's deer andhog and turkey, and the lake is
massive. There's tributaries coming in allover. You can stay hidden there for
eternity and nobody'd ever know you're there, you know. So yeah, that's
Oklaholm's a lot. That's a lot. So we unfortunately we're we got to
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wind down here. Thank you forletting me, let me talk to you
and and tell you what I knowand how I feel. Appreciate it.
I appreciate you. This was amazing. Thank you so much, you bet
hey, it's my pleasure. Ijust honestly, I just want to,
you know, anyway I can helpout to bring awareness to what what we're
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dealing with. I'm more happy totalk to you about it. It's important.
Yeah, I know people need tohear it, So I thank you
again. Sounds good, budd Youhave a good one. We'll talk you
okay. Bye. Wow. Sothanks folks for hanging in with us on
that we're having some a little bitof audio issues. I think I was
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a little delayed, so you probablydidn't like it because you didn't hear me
talk a lot and we had aguest talking more than me. So that's
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of hey Ron. Hey, Yeah, we were having there was there was
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definitely some audio lagging, so yeah, yeah, a little bit. I
think it was more. I thinkit was more on your side than mine.
Yeah, so I'm yeah. Thegood thing is, yeah, you
were you were freezing up here andthere. But I'll go back. I'll
do some editing and and try toclean it up. The good thing is
you're such a great guest. Ididn't have to do much. You you
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you you were able to roll withit, running out with solos. So
that's awesome. Yeah. I can'twait to talk to you about what's going
on here. Oh yeah, yeah, let's we'll definitely do that. We'll,
we'll, we'll, uh, we'llschedule another one and then just talk
about what's going on in Pennsylvania becauseyou've got the folks up there to bf
up there too as well with you, right, So, but I was
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very interested. Like the radio stationthat I listened to in the morning,
it's called Bigfoot. So what Imissed that you would come out? Yeah,
Yeah, it's been just the audiencesjust been a little crazy. You
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know. I get every morning togo to work, and the radio station
I listened to is called is calledbig Foot Country, which I was surprised.
I've been in Germany the last fiveyears. I got back here in
November of last year, and theonly reason I even moved to this area
is because I've been here to visitmy family. And it's magnificent. The
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Susquehanna River is literally behind me andit's just mountains everywhere, any which way
you look, mountains. And Iwas like, you know, instead of
going back Darkansas, I'll come here, right So I have a just outside
the window here, there's two housesand then a graveyard. And behind that
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graveyard is right now, it's cornfieldh and woods. There's a cornfield and
the woods all the way down tothe river. There's some training tracks that
separate those woods and that that's it. I've got a bunch of pictures and
stuff that I have to I'm gonnahave to send you so you can take
a look at. Definitely, there'sa there's a patch of woods in front
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of as you're going into the asyou're going into the graveyard, there's a
patch of woods that you come intothat stretch all the way back to the
field. And there's just a littletiny patch that come up to this main
road here that runs into Montorsville.We're outside of town just barely actually,
like I can. I'm a runnerand I run into town all the time,
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and it's literally towns and a halfaway, so we're not far out
of town. And it started inFebruary. I started noticing dead deer.
Now i I'm pretty good at lookingat stuff. I can tell what type
of predation happened and or what didn'thappen. And a lot of times if
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you're looking at you know, kyotesor something, you can tell you can
see the man marks, you cansee where you can tell by that deer
was that predation happened on that thatspecific dead deer. Okay, the issue
really started when I started finding multipledeer. Now, the first one that
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I found definitely kyotes got ahold ofit and maybe it got hit on the
road and it made its way intothe field or into the woods there,
and then kyotes came in and finishedit off right. But then I found
six more and the and the weirdestpart about them were the bones were snapped
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and the legs were ripped off likegone, and they just snapped off the
lower part of the legs, sothe tibia was snapped and discarded and the
meaty part was taken away, allof them, all four. The only
thing they left. The only thingthey left were the ribs and the skull.
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And the skull on one of themthat I found, it was it
was a spike buck. They hadhad snapped off the spike itself I actually
I put it on a little giftinglog that I have out on the edge
of the woods here. I actuallybrought it home with me because I mean
it was cleanly snapped off. Bearcan't do that. Kyote's not gonna do
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later. I mean cleanly snapped sheerright off its head. I took a
bunch of photos. Uh, mysister she got she got photos of footprints,
first small track, large track.I confirmed that they are not a
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bear by no means are they abear. I did find some scat out
there that I could not tell what, but it was. I probably should
have put that in a bag andset it somewhere, but it's not resembled
bear scat, but it was definitelygot us. When I found six more
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or so, I have Ben.We've become friends since then from the BFR
here in Pennsylvania. I had himcome out because it got real weird,
real fast, and we're talking thesmell being followed. My dog is my
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is my service animal. He isvery well trained. He is very very
protective. Large German shepherd did everythingin his power to try to get out
of there as this was happening.I know you don't have a lot of
time, and we should probably doa part two on this. But I've
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got multiple pictures of tracks, trackways. I brought them out. We
actually cast in one didn't really comeout like great. We were I've never
casted anything, and neither had bends, so we're like, well, let's
just try it. So we didsome really cool pictures and stuff. I
need to show you of the actualprints. They're they're definitely not a bear.
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I actually walked looped into the backway and not like that's I'm looking
at it. Done this, SoI stepped outside of it and started to
go around the edge of all thetracks that I can see go through the
grass and then down into the woods. And there's actually two kind of defined
trails. One comes down and leftand skirtched the woods. One goes way
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back out into the woods. AndI followed him down and there you could
actually see where where he had steppedand crushed the wood that he was stepping
on and then the next step.All of them were between about forty and
forty five. Some of them area little bit shorter as far as the
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steps were concerned between toe and heel. It was kind of going down heel
down a little bit of a slopethere, but yeah, we and multiple
We have them going through into thecorn field. We have them going out
of the corn field. We foundhim in the area that that we found
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the dispatched steer. My sister wasfollowed. We took my dog out and
we'll get into it more in depth. Went out into the field. They
were stomping at us and gave usfour very loud get the hell out of
hears with the box, and Imean it sounded it sounded like it took
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a tree and hit a tree withit. We were like, okay,
time to go. Yep, yeah, definitely left. And then then
Spanning the entire globe, involving hundredsof different cultures, explaining the same phenomenon
by different name. The nature ofthe footprints, namely their remarkable consistency,
their biomechanical appropriateness, you know,those aspects that are are extremely compelling.
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Hey, guys, welcome to theBigfoot Influencers. My name is Tim Halleran.
I'm solo tonight. H Dana isnot going to be joining us,
so I'm sorry. We just wehad a crazy week. We were actually
we were traveling last week, spentsome time in Missouri, got out in
the woods a little bit, andjust trying to catch up. I'm super
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excited that we've got an amazing guest. I heard I heard our guest on
jeremyer Byron's podcast originally Bigfoot Society.Jeremiah was nice enough to connect connect me
with our our guest tonight, Rob, and then just super excited to have
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and Rob's got some fascinating experiences andwe're probably I'm just gonna set you guys
up now, We're probably not goingto get to all of them, because
I think I could have Rob onfor two or three hours or sit around
the campfire. Hey, Rob.How you doing. Yeah, yeah,
again, I apologize here, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jeremiah was was
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just kind enough. I heard youryour I heard you on his podcast,
and I was just blown away andI just just compelling your your background,
you're you know, what you've experiencedout there, and just super super excited
to have you here. And you'renot too far away from us. So
maybe maybe we'll get up there anddo a get out in the woods and
do a podcast. So that wouldbe kind of fun. I'll just take
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you in the backyard here. Yeah, that's what I mean, You're not
that only a few hours away.We could definitely do that. Yeah,
you know, what's your background?You know, can you can you just
share share a few sentences about thatwith the audience. Honestly, I grew
up in Oklahoma, Eastern Oklahoma,just mountains and mountains and lakes and streams,
growing up in Oklahoma when I firstgot there, I was originally California.
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So growing up as a kid,the subject of sas watch is definitely
piqued my entry us at a youngage, you know, with the Patterson
Gimblin film, you know, beingshown on television, you know, picking
up picking up books, and thingsof that nature. As as a kid
in reading up on the subject,it was always in the back of my
mind when I got When I gotto Oklahoma, all of that stuff kind
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of became reality in a sense.Where I'm from there in eastern Oklahoma,
this subject is everybody knows. Youcould literally walk up to random people and
like, do you believe in Sasquatchand they'd be like yeah. And the
reason for that is most of usspend a lot of time in the woods,
and we understand that if it leavesprince, it's alive and it breathes.
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Nobody's out there in the middle ofthe middle of nowhere, you know,
trying to hoax people, especially inthe backwoods Oklahoma, it's just not
happening. Where I grew up,the Queen Wilamino Mountain Range runs into the
Washatas. That would be looking justdirectly directly back. I'm right actually on
the I grew up right on theborder of Arkansas. There. The Washatas
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run right out of there into theKayamie. She's the winding stairs and range
is also right. We were alwaysin the woods, either hunting or fishing
or her or just going back roadingand four wheeling and you know, doing
camping out you know, later onin life, I got into I got
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into climbing in the nineties and I'vepretty much been doing that ever since.
So I get out, I getoutside an awful lot. I spend most
of my time outside. If I'mnot at work, I'm in the woods,
whether whether it be hiking or climbingor just to just to be out
in nature. I spend as muchtime out there as I possibly can.
I always have. But when Igot to Oklahoma, my great uncle he
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told me a story and it kindof freaked me out a little bit,
but I thought he might be fittinga little bit, and then he and
then he actually took me out there, so I could start off with that
one. So my uncle told methat they'd bought some property out past Hodgen,
Oklahoma. You're probably not gonna youmay find that on a map.
And they bought some property out there, just outside of the Blue it's in
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the Blue Mountain range there, whichis basically the Washing Toss. And they
got their cabin built and they wentout the first night, him and his
wife, and they never went back. Four individuals decided that they didn't really
like that cabin, and they startedthrowing rocks at the cabin and some of
them were large enough to go throughthe roof. You know, I kind
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of want to call beat yes onit. And then he, you know,
put me in the truck and tookme out to the cabin that had
been there for years, and thosestones were still sitting in the inside the
cabin. The holes are still thereand the cabin is still there. It's
I mean, it's fallen down onitself, but it must have happened.
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So I definitely believed him after that, I mean, proofs in the pudding.
And then years later, I guessit would be a few years later,
me and a buddy, my bestfriend still still to this day,
we decided we're going to go outand see if we couldn't, you know,
kill a couple of hogs. Andwe decided to go out towards the
Queen Wilhelmina Mountain Range out to aplace called Deer, Oklahoma. Deer's basically
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a four way stop that other thanthat it's just in the mountains. It's
it's literally a truck like you canpull an eighteen wheeler off on the side
of the road there that's deer.And we started to go back towards the
Arkansas border there the state line,and we decided to go up the mountain
there. We went up an oldlogging road, and we were on this
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thing for for miles, just youknow, looking out the window to see
if we could, you know,spot tracks, see tracks, get out
of the truck, go that way, follow the tracks. And we were
coming up the up the mountain kindof a kind of a steeper area,
and we were coming around a prettypretty sharp curve and as it flattened out,
my buddy slammed on the brakes.And I know exactly why I did
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it, because I was looking atthe same thing out my window that he
was looking out his window. Now, mind you, this is a this
is an old nineties you know,crew cab Ford. It's not a small
truck. And what I was lookingat was a very large human footprint.
Basically he was looking at the samething. We both looked at each other
when oh wow, we used someother wording trying to keep it clean.
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They may not say that way,but anyway, it must have just crossed
because there was water seeping out ofthe print itself and it took one once.
In that one stride, we obviouslyscared the individual, and it was
definitely a running stride. I wouldI would, I would say. And
in that stride it was literally aswide as the truck. It went from
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the one door to the other sideof the truck, because I had a
full print on my side, andhe had a print that was just kind
of into the where the little bitof a runoff was on the side of
the road there the print was rightthere, next print on the other side
of the door where I was ina passenger seat, and then the next
print was literally a couple of feetoff the ground up the bank. Okay,
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you could just see it. Soit obviously crossed in front of us.
Like I said of the track itself, we used some colorful words,
grab the rifles, and he jumpedout of them. Can you can you
describe the print? Yeah, Bryan. At the time, he's about six
four six five three sixty pounds ofman. He wears a size third and
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his foot it was about i'd say, about seven inches across across the front
and maybe a five inch heel.It was pretty fat. It was pretty
big, and only that it wasit was really in the mud. Now,
it had raked two days prior tothat, so it was still kind
of cloudy and drizzly the day beforethat, and maybe in the mountain it
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might have got a little bit ofextra ring, but it was still wet
out. So we jumped out ofthe truck and headed out towards towards the
prince, and you could definitely followthe track way into the woods. We
got in sixty or seventy yards andwe decided that it was this was just
a bad idea. We could wecould smell him or it, and it
smelled like death. You'll never forgetthat smell once you've smelled it, so
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you know, the hairs on theback of your next end up. The
wow factors definitely was definitely there.We're like, wow, this is really
happening, Like this is this isawesome. And at the same time you're
like, let's go. I wantto get out of here now. So
we jumped in the truck. Wedrove up the road a little ways,
turned around, and we had itdown the mountain hog hunting trip over back
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to the house. We we wetalked about it a little bit down the
road, and then we just gotquiet and just sat there and thinking about
what happened. I'm sure that's whatwas going through Brian's mind as well as
mine. That was the first instancethat I actually seen physical evidence of a
Sasquatch. You know, I wassixteen, maybe somewhere on that age.
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That was the first time I actuallyseen signed And like I said, if
if it leaves a track, it'sbreathing, especially out in the middle of
nowhere. We are heat. Iguess Headner's probably fifty miles at least from
that spot, and there's nothing elsethere except for Zoe, Oklahoma, which
is I think eight people live there. I don't They don't even have a
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post office. I'm pretty sure it'sjust eight people that live in a place
called Zoe. Wasn't Class A,it was just it was just footprints.
But let me tell you, thosefootprints were very fresh. Like I said,
the water was running out of them. It literally crossed in front of
us. We just we just justmissed. You know, even with a
rifle in hand, and even withmy three hundred and sixty pound Boddy,
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we were still pretty pretty frightened andtaken aback by the situation. So we
jumped and truck off the house.Years later, I believe it was two
thousand and two, me and aclimbing partner, and we've been we've been
climbing partners for a few years,and we decided that we're going to go
ahead and quit our jobs and goto work for the Boy Scouts of America.
And I was living in Fayette,Arkansas at the time. We had
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to go to the BSA camp anddo some training and whatnot in order to
do what we were gonna do.I was gonna be the trekking director for
a high adventure camp. He wasgoing to be the climbing director. I
would be the assistant climbing director forthe Boy Scouts of America. The camp
is located on the Buffalo River inthe Buffalo River region there in Arkansas,
just outside of Jasper, Arkansas.It's literally in Jasper, basically, it's
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the only town there really And inpreparation for this, we know, we
left camp camps actually in South Texas. We drove back up. It was
probably last week end of April twothousand and two. We're pretty athletic dude
still to this day, I doa lot, but we decided to really
get on these trails and make surethat we could, you know, do
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the task at hand. As atrekking director, the boy scouts were after
their fifty mile or patches, whetherfifty miles on the river or fifty miles
on trail. So that was myjob, and I wanted to make sure
that I could I could do thatjob as efficiently as possible. And not
only that, I wanted to makesure that I mentally took notes of interesting
spots within the trail and things ofthat nature. So we decided to go
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for a run one morning. Itwas a long runs around twelve miles,
six miles out, six miles backthe trail. There's called the BRT,
the Buffalo River Trail. There's anupper trail and a lower trail. The
lower trail runs the runs right nextto the Buffalo River. We decided to
take the high road and then comeback on the low road. We took
the high road because it was earlyin the morning, it hadn't hadn't started
to warm up yet. Like Isaid, it's the last last week of
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April coming into May, so whatthe you know, weather was pleasant,
sunny, beautiful day. We tookoff and on our way back We stopped
maybe a quarter of a mile pastthe place called Horse You Bend. River's
got a horse you Bend, andwe decided to we're gonna take a dip.
The Buffalo River is lined with limestonecliffs that go up to almost three
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hundred feet, and we salivate asrock climbers. We salivate over these things
because they're they're just they're beautiful.They look like somebody painted it with a
paint brush. So we went inthe water. I came out of the
water and I'm looking at the bluffin front of me. There's this beautiful
line with a crack in it,and I'm thinking, we can definitely climb
this thing. And my advantage pointwas such that I could actually see a
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little ways past the top of theof the cliff there, and I was
following the lineup and Carl was stillsoaking in the water for a second,
and I noticed that there was somebodystanding there watching us. So I call
Carl out out of the river.I used the colorful words. I said,
Carl, get your ass out ofthe water. You need to come
see this now. Carl is wecall him crazy Carl for a reason,
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but he's a very serious individual.He's kind of a skeptical when it comes
to anything that he can't see ortouch. Honestly, I don't think the
subject of sasquatch. I don't thinkwe ever even brought it up until this
day. I told him coming andI said, Carl, get your ass
out of the water. I said, come here and sit down and take
a look at what I'm looking at. It goes, you're looking at that
route, and I'm like, notanymore. And he goes, what's up?
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And he sits down. I said, now follow that lineup, and
what do you see about forty yardspast that top of that bluff? He
said, is it that? Iwas like, that is a very large
human at that moment. There's twocedar trees. He's standing in between the
cedar trees. And I don't wantto give you it was. It was
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a very large individual. If wereto guess that individual at least a feetall,
and not only that, he wasas white as a as a two
door refrigerator. No problem. Andwe're as we're looking at him, he's
standing very very still. You cansee his you can see him playing his
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day. You can't make out anyfeatures. He's a little too far up,
but he's standing between two cedar trees. And then he starts to sway
back and forth. Now those thereis no wind by the way was windy,
and those cedar trees are not moving, and he's standing taller than the
cedar trees were. Carl's kind oftripping out a little bit. He's like,
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man, what the And I'm like, I know, I know.
And so we sit there, we'rewatching him watch us for a minute,
and like I said, he startsto sway back and forth, kind of
ape like in a sent's like itwas like it was kind of exciting for
it, for it. That's howI felt, you know what I mean,
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Like he was like, you know, he's he kind of just started
to do this thing. And andthen he just crouched down, hands hands
in between both legs. He justsquatted down. Now he got himself small
like that. I think he realizedwe were we were looking at him.
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And when he when he squatted down, we continued to watch this. This
went on for a couple of minutes. In that situation time you're not really
thinking about it, but in hindsight, this is going on for a few
minutes. He didn't he didn't justup and leave. Carl actually got up
and jumped back in the water fora second, jumped back out, and
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I was like, we should probablyget out of here. He's like grabbed
the backpacks, and so we turnedaround, grabbed the backpacks and as we
as we turned around to look,he was gone. So we knew we
weren't. We weren't just seeing things. Those two cedar trees are there,
and the individual in the middle wasgone. But I had two within a
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week. Now he is on theopposite side of the river. That the
that the BRT is on Camp getstarted. The following week, I had
a troop come out of Louisiana andwe were getting ready for a fifty mile
er. I got everybody situated packedup. I had some food drops made
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at certain certain points along along theriver so we didn't have to carry so
much, and I explained to thescout masters that the train was was difficult
and that I might get ahead ofthem, and if I do get ahead
of them, don't worry about it. I'll be waiting when you when you
top the hill. I'm a fasthiker. Keep an eye on the kid,
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it's keep him on the trail.YadA, YadA, YadA. Okay,
so we have we have to likeinto Kyle's Landing and then out of
Kyle's land the VRT goes up,or you can take the brch Low Road.
I decided to take down the highroads so they can actually see the
vistas and the views from up topof the Buffalo River. It's a really
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good, really good, really goodhike through there. And we got about
I'd say about an hour we weregoing up up the trail there out of
Kyle's Landing. And I just wantto quickly explain that there there are elk
in this area. It's the onlyplace in Arkansas where there is elk.
I did get ahead of them,I was, I was a good sixty
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eighty yards up the trail. Ikind of hear the kids, but I
like, I like getting ahead andjust and just keep in my own pace
and stopping when everything flattens out outand wait for everybody to come up.
It gives the scouts time to,you know, interact with their scout leaders
or their dads, so mostly theirdads of Scout leaders. And and I
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hear, I hear a limb ora tree break, really is what it
sounded like it sounded like a treejust snapped. It was it was.
It was loud enough that I tookoff running towards it. That's when this
happened. So not only did Ihear a limb snap, you could also
hear a large So I took offtowards it. In my mind, I'm
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thinking, elk, Why just noise. I just went towards the noise.
I wanted to see if I couldget up there and maybe whistle at him
and keep him held so the kidscould come up and maybe see the elk
those split second thought, I ranup the trail, I don't know forty
fifty yard. As I came overthe top, the branch itself was sitting
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in the trail. I'd obviously wokehim up, and it was in the
tree, and I guess when hecame out of the tree, and it
was definitely he. We'll get tothat part in a second. He came
out of the tree. He cameout with a vengeance, and I guess
he'd grabbed that limb and the limband snapped. I happened to look left
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because I caught movement. So assoon as I did look left, there
he was. He was thirty betweenthirty thirty five yards. For me,
my yardage is pretty good. I'mpretty good with deer hunting. I can
judge yard it's pretty well. Here'sabout thirty thirty five yards. He was
standing behind a very large oak tree. He was holding it in a manner.
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His arm came all the way aroundthe front of it, so I
had a full vision of not onlythat half of his body as well as
the large hand that's holding onto thetree. And it was a tree peak,
that's what you want to call it. He was kind of trying to
get small. He wasn't exactly erect. He was kind of sitting down a
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little bit. And as as Istarted to look at him, of course,
I'm taking all of this information inas fast as I can, because
there's no telling how long this individualis going to be standing there. But
I hear the kids coming up,and so did it he And that's when
he stood up. You could hearthe kids running up. And when he
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stood up, he stepped out justenough that I could catch almost three quarters
of his body easily, as wideas a double wide refrigerator. The best
way to explain this hulking individual wasa left tackle, and an NFL left
tackle in full pads was not quiteas big as this individual. His arms
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were as as they were way biggerthan my legs. And his biceps were
they were ridiculous, they were,they were enormous. His just his debts
on the side of his or atleast this wide. They just came down
like this. No neck. Theindividual was a very very dark brown.
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You could actually get a little bitof reddish tone into because of the way
the light was coming filtering through thetrees, you could see a little bit
of red. His face was veryhairy, okay except for the cheekbones here,
same as my beard, except forit would come up and it was
just across across here. His peckswere actually wide open. The skin was
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very very dark. I did notsee the bottom of his hand really clearly.
The hair that hung off of hisarm was oh, I don't know,
five or six inches hanging. Itwas very dreadlocky, matted. If
you would as he stood up,that's when I really that's when you could
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really unjust witness the size of theindividual. It would you could even through
all the hair, you can justsee the ripped I mean he was ripped
muscle. I wish I could getthat ripped. It was just tons of
muscle. I would probably estimate hewas five hundred pounds or better. He
hadn't and it was solid muscle,not like that his He was very barrel
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chested. And the reason I knowthat is because he stood up. As
he stood up from the tree,he let go of the tree and that's
when he kind of it wasn't reallya smile, it was kind of a
maybe he just showed me his teethand kind of disgusted, like he just
did one of those. And hestood up, and he and he turned
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and he started to walk away.And as he turned, I noticed that
there was a bit of gray thatcame down to a point on his on
his back, you could see hisflats. I mean, he was just
enormously wide across the back. Noneck, I don't. Everybody says they
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have cone shaped heads. Now,he did have a very pronounced brow,
I set back, cheap bones,out flattened nose. His jaw was very
wide. It was almost kind ofridiculous in a sense. It was almost
I don't even know how to explainit. It was very like if I
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had his skull. I could stickit on top of my head and wiggle
it around, is how big itlooked. As far as his jaw line
was concerned. His hair was veryvery long across the top and going down
his back, and all of thehair that was coming off of his head
from where his neck would be alot of it was very matted and almost
dreadlocked onto his back. Like Isaid, it was very very dark brown,
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almost black, with these red redhues in the in the in the
hair. I don't want to callit fur because I'm telling you right now,
they're they're not apes. They arevery human. I feel like we
were fooled by museum pieces of whatNeanderthal actually look like. I feel like
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I feel like they toned down alittle bit. And why is this is
probably the reason why on it Ifeel like they're a homini. They're definitely
a human of some sort, whetherthey be homo erectus, Neanderthal division somewhere
in that range, you know,I don't know. But what I can
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tell you is is they're very large, hairy humans. They're they're humans.
Everything about his facial structure bring humanto me. The only thing, the
only difference is size and hair.If you had to go live out in
the woods, you'd have to adaptand your body would do that. And
if it's been millennia, you're gonnaadapt very well, and those those traits
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are gonna, they're gonna, they'regonna be bred in, even if it
comes down to better vision at night, things of that nature. If you're
if you're a wild human, Ican understand how that happens over over a
millennium. Adaptation, those adaptations happenin every single animal that we know of
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as species. They have to adaptto their environment, and I believe that's
exactly what we're dealing with. We'redealing with humans that are feral now where
they are in our in our inour family tree. That's a that's a
doctor meldrum correct question. I can'tanswer that one, but but I can't
tell you that from what I saw, I would think they're neander Fall or
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somewhere in that general vicinity of humanor even you know, something outside of
that. But that's probably as closeas I could think. Because Neanderthal we're
quite heavy boned. I mean weall we have is bone bone records,
so they were very a little bitdirtier than we are now. As far
as size and stuff is concerned,you know, I don't know where that
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comes from. But as far astheir look is concerned, there's some type
of pomative for trying to ape.I mean, I guess we are considered
apes. But but they're not gorillas. Okay, even gorillas are capable of
learning sign language and love and carryingand things of that nature. So you
describe sasquatch as a as a mindlessanimal, we're doing ourselves an injustice there.
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I can completely understand why they whythey hide, and why they stay
in the woods, and then they'rethe hide and seek champions of the world
because humans are nasty. We're youknow, we have guns, we start
fires. We were not very nice. I would I would stay away from
us too if I were them.We're not exactly safe. The safest the
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safest spot for them as the woods. Which is the reason I'm even talking
about this is because people ought toknow that they exist. One Two,
we have to figure out a wayto come up with some type of conservancy
or protection because I mean, Ican kind of understand why nobody wants to
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admit it, because if you admitthat there is humans living in the woods,
those woods have to become off limits, and oil by bye bye,
cutting down the trees and clear cutting, bye bye, all of that stuff.
So I can understand how how moneyplays a part, and how government
wants to keep that under wraps asas much as they possibly can. But
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nowadays, I feel like a lotmore people understand what they are one and
and now what to look for,which is which is positive as long as
they you know, don't go huntingfor them. As a hunter, even
if I had a rifle, Idon't know that I could pull the trigger.
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They're they're they're humans. They're humansperiod. But I don't know any
other way to explain it. I'mactually Native America myself. I have a
little bit of Spanish since the beard. I'm a Pache and Yaki. So
as far as Native tradition is concerned, you know, most tribes in the
United States have a name for it, right, they all have a name
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for them, especially when it comesto the Northwest. You know, Oregon,
Washington, all the way up intoAlaska. Most of the tribes up
there, you know, they didtotal there's not a total pull out there
that has a fake animal on itjust not a faith. There's a bear
and wolf and eagle and spots rightat the top of the total. And
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when it comes down to it,you should probably listen to to the ones
who actually lived out there amongst thetrees in the woods with everybody else.
That's how we you know, that'show we came across medicine. We were
listening to totives tell you what workedfor what so I and not only that
there's no reason to lie, butyou know, in order to keep things
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controlled. You know, I understandwhy government would would not want it possible.
A lot of money out there,You're gonna you're gonna miss out on
it if you if you start toprotect something that you might frighten, you
might frighten some individuals from going outinto the woods. I actually know individuals
that have been frightened from going backout into the woods, and they even
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owned the property and they don't evenwant to go back out there because they've
come across these individuals. So anyway, as far as Arkansas was concerned,
those those were the those were thetwo happenstances that I had. It really
it really opened my eyes up toto to what's going on is a blessing.
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Really, It's one thing to talkabout it. It's one thing to
see footprints. It's another thing tounderstand and see one. I've already told
you. I've been in the woodsa lot. I lived in Dallas for
ten years, and the closest rockclimbing areas to us are either Austin or
Arkansas as far as developed well,and in Oklahoma as far as developed areas
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are concerned. But just across theRed River there. Growing up there,
I know that there's a lot ofabundance of sandstone. So some of my
friends and I was like, hey, listen, we need to start Google
map in some areas over here byByatka in the McGee Creek area towards Startus
Lake, And we ended up findingsome some areas out there. We did
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our due diligence and we got permissionto go out and start developing this area.
On the I guess that'd be fortythree Highway forty three outside of Daisy,
which is just the opposite side ofMcGee Creek. The McGee Creek entrance
that we usually went into was offof Highway three outside out of Patoka.
We went out and we drove downthis road. It's off of off of
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Highway three. I don't know,eight ten, twelve miles. It's ways,
it's it is paved, but notreally and it goes out into the
park. There is a left turnthat it can take you down to a
boat a boat ramp, and thenit just comes in there's some primitive camping
areas. There is a ranger stationor house. The regier stays there,
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and if you keep driving a coupleof miles you get to the end of
the road. It's just as justa cult of sack down there. We
got out of the car and wewe the trail was directly in front of
us. It went down into theright into the valley. The lake was
straight in front of us. Aswe started to go down right, we
were trying to make a decision onwhether to come to turn back because we
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had seen a little bluff line andright underneath us as we're going down the
trail we were on. We wentdown the trail just a few minutes and
we hear a whoop. It wasvery apparent whoop, and it was just
up the hill, just more towardsthe center of us. Looking and then
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the third whoop came from basically behindus where the gully goes back towards the
rangers station. Now, my buddywho was with me, he was from
Baltimore. This is basically his firsttime in the woods, and you know,
he asked me, he said,Robs that, and I said,
I can tell you what it isn'tI said, it's not a bear,
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it's not a raccoon, and it'snot a deer, it's not a hog,
none of that. So they werejust standing there kind of puzzled,
and I was kind of excited insidebecause it's been a while. This is
twenty ten, so it's been abouteight years since I witnessed anything. And
then we get another wood off inthe distance, and then a few minutes
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later, the tree came down,and I mean the whole tree came down.
So they pushed down a tree andwe decided we probably ought to leave,
so we did. I was Iwas probably the one that brought that
up. I was like, Ithink it's about time we go now.
But now I know what's going onout there. So we all kind of
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bouldered around on some stuff for alittle while. We heard the tree come
down. We got up out wewent. Then I talked my friend,
my center guy who sets most ofthe routes in the gym. I talked
to him, going back out there, we'll see if we can find some
other boulders. Going down and left. We had to close the gym down
that night, and we decided togo out late. It was cold.
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It was March, maybe probably lastweekend of March, and started to warm
up a little bit. Prior tothat February was there was ice storms and
stuff January December, January February inthat area. At that year, a
lot of trees came down like bombwent off out there. There was just
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tree tops everywhere. We got.We got into a toko before the liquor
store closed because we did stop andgrab a little after thirties that night,
and we prepped for it because thenext day was supposed to be sunny and
be in the fifties. Sandstone isreally it really starts to it feels a
really good kind of tightens up ifyou would, and the friction on it
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is really good in your hands,especially for your climbing shoes. So climbing
in the fifties on sandstone is kindof so that's what we were hoping for.
So we stopped at toko, wegrabbed a half pina soko and we
headed back out. Now, wewe camped on the left hand side of
the road there in a little primitivearea just before literally you could walk across
the street, you know, fiftyyards and the ranger station is right there
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the house. There's a four wirebob war our fence across the road that
at that time the road was basicallydirt. It's been fixed since then.
As he was setting up camp,I said, hey, hey, listen,
I'm gonna jump. I'm gonna goacross the road over here. I
see a bunch of wood over thereI'm gonna bring. So I go across
the road and there's a tree withhaway in it. So I start picking
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up lembs and snap off between whyand I'm throwing them, you know,
making lots of wood noise, snappingoff trees, throwing them over the fence.
As I snapped off, and Ithinking back as this happened, I
believe that was the what brought theindividual. So we make our camp fire,
We drink a little bit of soco. We do not finish the bottle.
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By the way, we were notdrunk. We were definitely a warm
inside though, because it was cold. We decide we're gonna climb into bed,
so we climbed in the tent tryto go sleep. We knew that
we had two girls, two ofour girlfriends coming in in the morning,
but there is no cell cell phoneservice out there. You're in the middle
of nowhere, so I wasn't evenexpecting a phone call. My friend.
We'll just keep him nameless. Hewakes me up in the middle of the
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night, Rob, wake up.Somebody's in our camp side and I hear
I have a little flip one ofthose little blue and white iglue coolers,
the little FlipTop ones, you know. He pushed the button, flip it
over. I hear something messing withit, and he said, somebody's in
our campsite. Now we're in themiddle of absolutely nowhere, Oklahoma. I
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don't we didn't hear a car come, so, you know, those thoughts
are kind of going through my head. But now I hear somebody in the
camp site. So I had myCRKT knife with me, and it's not
a small one. I grabbed awhole of it that Kensey was already unzipping
the tent. Kensey said, itjust stuck down behind the car. Or
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he just stuck down behind the car, it's what he said. So he
unzipped the tent. We both comebarreling out of there, and when we
did, it stood up and tookoff. And when it stood up,
we immediately stopped. We weren't movinga muscle. He went full on white.
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I probably did too, because whenit took off, it was running
down a fence line. So thecar was parked at another Bob White fence
here, which actually is where peoplewill pull their horse trailers into that little
that little vicinity there, get theirhorses out and take them out on the
trail. It ran down the fenceline back towards the lake, and it's
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the only way to describe it,is like a herd of elk busting through
the brush. I mean you couldjust hear it wop wop wop, and
just everything is breaking as he goes, and then you hear the fence pop
and then wop wop, wop wop, And you could hear this thing running
off for one hundred yards, justbreaking everything in its path, just running
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full Nils to say it, wedidn't get much sleep that night. We
did end up falling asleep. Byhappenstance, my phone rings, Like I
said, there's usually no service outthere, And as my phone is ringing,
the girls come driving by, soI pick up the phone. I'm
like, hey, you just passedus. Turn around, come back.
We'll meet you the road. Asthey're turning around, I look at Kenzie
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and I'm like, I don't saynothing, man. He's like, I'm
not saying a damn thing. I'mlike, they won't want out here ever
again. He goes, I don'tknow that I want to come out of
her ever again. I was like, it's gonna day, you know,
like we're gonna it's gonna be agreat day. Calm down. Well,
as that's happening, girls are goingdown and they're turning around and coming back
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to our little camp site, anda gentleman comes pulling in with a horse
trailer. He pulls into that thatspot just behind our camp site. There.
I love you too, body,you know. The girls come in
and we're chit chatting and we're gettinggear out basically bouldering pats that are basically
backpacks to get everything ready to go. We're gonna throw it in the throat
in the car and head out.And the guy's trying to get his horses
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out of the out of the trailer, and they don't want to come out.
They come out and run back it. They come out when he stand
up when he right back in thetrailer. So me and Kenzie walk over
the fence line and we're like,hey, everything, okay, do you
need any help? He was like, I have no idea. What's wronging
my damn horses. They do notwant to ride today, So I guess
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we're going home. And me andKensey kind of looked at each other,
We're like, I bet we knowthey know they could smell it. I'm
sure they could. We could not. I didn't smell anything at this in
the morning. I did not.I didn't smell anything that night either.
So since we were standing at theat the fence line there that there's a
(40:25):
four while by bar fence, Inoticed down and left there where I thought
I heard the fence pop. Thefence is broken. I was like,
can be right back, And Istart looking at the ground. The train
there is very rocky, okay,finding footprints and you're on an absolute beautiful
on the trail itself. Finding footprintsin the woods there, it's not happening.
(40:46):
It's just rock everywhere. Woods leads, you know, finding a footprint
there's needle in a haystack. Butyou can you can always see somebody where
tracks went through leaves. And then, my gay, it's kind of went
up because all of the branches betweeneight and nine feet, maybe even a
little taller eight between eight and ninefeet, we'll just call it that they're
(41:07):
broken. You can just you cansee it as you're looking down the fence
line. You can see where iteverything was broken. And the only I
keep doing this because if you're runningthrough the woods at night, this is
the best way to keep stuff outof your face. So I can imagine
that's what's happening. So I walkeddown. I could see I could see
(41:27):
see a track way going that way, except for there's no imprints. Just
you can see where all the leaveswere puffed up. So I walked down
to the fence and sure enough,what I didn't think about was there any
hair on there. I did notthink about that. But you could see
where it had hit the fence,and you could see a spot where the
leaves like he pitted or spun thereand then headed back down and which is
(41:52):
exactly what I heard at that night, which brought me back to the camp
site. We get the girls up, we go. I left everything in
the camp We left everything in thecamp site, exactly the way it was.
Day days over. Girls come back. They're like, hey, we're
gonna head back Dallas. We're like, we're gonna, we're gonna pack up
(42:14):
whatever. So me and Kinsey getthere and we sit down and we're all
day we're thinking about this. Iknow he was thinking about it. I
saw a big Yes you did,sir, That's exactly what we saw.
Now it's nighttime and there it iseight foot tall human behind our call.
(42:37):
But that's when I looked at theigloo and I was like, okay,
so if raccoon, I would bebatting at it trying to get to it.
So I batted at it a littlebit and I was like, that
wasn't what I heard, and Iknocked it around. Nope, that wasn't
what I heard. And I hadthem Nalgene bottles full of water inside there.
So I picked it up and Iwent like this and that's exactly what
(43:01):
I heard. And you have tohave someone to do that one, because
all I heard was the junk.So it picked up my iglue and was
looking at it because I the exactsound came from when I picked it up
and looked at it. Because myanalog bottles were inside. They were not
full of water. They were theywere already empty. But you could chum.
(43:23):
You could hear him. And Iwas like, I was like,
you picked up my egglue, manand kids. He was like, that's
exactly what happened. He was,That's exactly what happened. I was like,
put it down. I was like, I'm getting chills thinking about it.
It was, it was, itwas. It was thrilling. So
that's McGee Creek now McGee Creek ifyou look on the map McGhee Creek.
(43:44):
I literally went and spend a weekout there by myself. I lived on
fish. I wanted to see ifI could go out there. It was
four days, not a week.Four days. I went out there for
four days and I slept in thewoods in a hammock, and I took
a knife and a lighter, andthat was pretty much it. I wanted
to see how easy it would beto survive out there for a couple of
(44:07):
days, I didn't have anything elseto do, so I rock climb and
bouldered, and I went down andI went fishing. I took some string
and hooks and whatnot, and Iwent fishing. And when I couldn't catch
fish, I just jumped in thewater noodle because in Oklahoma that's we do
that. We just jump in thewater and fill up underneath stuff and you
pull a fish out. Most ofthe catfish. The wildlife out there is
(44:28):
just plentiful there. There's deer andhog and turkey, and the lake is
massive. There's tributaries coming in allover. You can stay hidden there for
eternity and nobody'd ever know you're there, you know. So yeah, that's
Oklaholm's a lot. That's a lot. So we unfortunately we're we got to
(44:52):
wind down here. Thank you forletting me, let me talk to you
and and tell you what I knowand how I feel. Appreciate it.
I appreciate you. This was amazing. Thank you so much, you bet
hey, it's my pleasure. Ijust honestly, I just want to,
you know, anyway I can helpout to bring awareness to what what we're
(45:14):
dealing with. I'm more happy totalk to you about it. It's important.
Yeah, I know people need tohear it, So I thank you
again. Sounds good, budd Youhave a good one. We'll talk you
okay. Bye. Wow. Sothanks folks for hanging in with us on
that we're having some a little bitof audio issues. I think I was
(45:37):
a little delayed, so you probablydidn't like it because you didn't hear me
talk a lot and we had aguest talking more than me. So that's
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(46:01):
subscribe, send us some love.We appreciate you guys again. Take care
of hey Ron. Hey, Yeah, we were having there was there was
(47:19):
definitely some audio lagging, so yeah, yeah, a little bit. I
think it was more. I thinkit was more on your side than mine.
Yeah, so I'm yeah. Thegood thing is, yeah, you
were you were freezing up here andthere. But I'll go back. I'll
do some editing and and try toclean it up. The good thing is
you're such a great guest. Ididn't have to do much. You you
(47:42):
you you were able to roll withit, running out with solos. So
that's awesome. Yeah. I can'twait to talk to you about what's going
on here. Oh yeah, yeah, let's we'll definitely do that. We'll,
we'll, we'll, uh, we'llschedule another one and then just talk
about what's going on in Pennsylvania becauseyou've got the folks up there to bf
up there too as well with you, right, So, but I was
(48:07):
very interested. Like the radio stationthat I listened to in the morning,
it's called Bigfoot. So what Imissed that you would come out? Yeah,
Yeah, it's been just the audiencesjust been a little crazy. You
(48:28):
know. I get every morning togo to work, and the radio station
I listened to is called is calledbig Foot Country, which I was surprised.
I've been in Germany the last fiveyears. I got back here in
November of last year, and theonly reason I even moved to this area
is because I've been here to visitmy family. And it's magnificent. The
(48:49):
Susquehanna River is literally behind me andit's just mountains everywhere, any which way
you look, mountains. And Iwas like, you know, instead of
going back Darkansas, I'll come here, right So I have a just outside
the window here, there's two housesand then a graveyard. And behind that
(49:12):
graveyard is right now, it's cornfieldh and woods. There's a cornfield and
the woods all the way down tothe river. There's some training tracks that
separate those woods and that that's it. I've got a bunch of pictures and
stuff that I have to I'm gonnahave to send you so you can take
a look at. Definitely, there'sa there's a patch of woods in front
(49:36):
of as you're going into the asyou're going into the graveyard, there's a
patch of woods that you come intothat stretch all the way back to the
field. And there's just a littletiny patch that come up to this main
road here that runs into Montorsville.We're outside of town just barely actually,
like I can. I'm a runnerand I run into town all the time,
(49:57):
and it's literally towns and a halfaway, so we're not far out
of town. And it started inFebruary. I started noticing dead deer.
Now i I'm pretty good at lookingat stuff. I can tell what type
of predation happened and or what didn'thappen. And a lot of times if
(50:22):
you're looking at you know, kyotesor something, you can tell you can
see the man marks, you cansee where you can tell by that deer
was that predation happened on that thatspecific dead deer. Okay, the issue
really started when I started finding multipledeer. Now, the first one that
(50:45):
I found definitely kyotes got ahold ofit and maybe it got hit on the
road and it made its way intothe field or into the woods there,
and then kyotes came in and finishedit off right. But then I found
six more and the and the weirdestpart about them were the bones were snapped
(51:06):
and the legs were ripped off likegone, and they just snapped off the
lower part of the legs, sothe tibia was snapped and discarded and the
meaty part was taken away, allof them, all four. The only
thing they left. The only thingthey left were the ribs and the skull.
(51:30):
And the skull on one of themthat I found, it was it
was a spike buck. They hadhad snapped off the spike itself I actually
I put it on a little giftinglog that I have out on the edge
of the woods here. I actuallybrought it home with me because I mean
it was cleanly snapped off. Bearcan't do that. Kyote's not gonna do
(51:50):
later. I mean cleanly snapped sheerright off its head. I took a
bunch of photos. Uh, mysister she got she got photos of footprints,
first small track, large track.I confirmed that they are not a
(52:12):
bear by no means are they abear. I did find some scat out
there that I could not tell what, but it was. I probably should
have put that in a bag andset it somewhere, but it's not resembled
bear scat, but it was definitelygot us. When I found six more
(52:39):
or so, I have Ben.We've become friends since then from the BFR
here in Pennsylvania. I had himcome out because it got real weird,
real fast, and we're talking thesmell being followed. My dog is my
(53:01):
is my service animal. He isvery well trained. He is very very
protective. Large German shepherd did everythingin his power to try to get out
of there as this was happening.I know you don't have a lot of
time, and we should probably doa part two on this. But I've
(53:22):
got multiple pictures of tracks, trackways. I brought them out. We
actually cast in one didn't really comeout like great. We were I've never
casted anything, and neither had bends, so we're like, well, let's
just try it. So we didsome really cool pictures and stuff. I
need to show you of the actualprints. They're they're definitely not a bear.
(53:49):
I actually walked looped into the backway and not like that's I'm looking
at it. Done this, SoI stepped outside of it and started to
go around the edge of all thetracks that I can see go through the
grass and then down into the woods. And there's actually two kind of defined
trails. One comes down and leftand skirtched the woods. One goes way
(54:14):
back out into the woods. AndI followed him down and there you could
actually see where where he had steppedand crushed the wood that he was stepping
on and then the next step.All of them were between about forty and
forty five. Some of them area little bit shorter as far as the
(54:35):
steps were concerned between toe and heel. It was kind of going down heel
down a little bit of a slopethere, but yeah, we and multiple
We have them going through into thecorn field. We have them going out
of the corn field. We foundhim in the area that that we found
(54:55):
the dispatched steer. My sister wasfollowed. We took my dog out and
we'll get into it more in depth. Went out into the field. They
were stomping at us and gave usfour very loud get the hell out of
hears with the box, and Imean it sounded it sounded like it took
(55:15):
a tree and hit a tree withit. We were like, okay,
time to go. Yep, yeah, definitely left. And then then
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