The Fr. David Jones Interview.

⛪ What happens when a life of silence becomes a voice for the soul? Fr. David Jones joins Vigilantes Radio Live to explore faith, solitude, and the eternal themes behind his Ad Maiestatem trilogy 📖✨. From years in monastic life to writing poetry shaped by stillness, this episode dives into identity, time, and the quiet search for meaning 🕊️💭. If you’ve ever wondered what lies beyond the noise of everyday life, this conversation will challenge you to slow down, reflect, and reconnect with something deeper 🌌🙏.

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This is the frequency of the fearless. You know, there
is a kind of silence most people avoid, not the

(01:43):
silence of a quiet room, but the silence where you
meet yourself. No distractions, no noise, no performance, just proof.
And for many, that kind of silence feels uncomfortable because
it ask questions we don't always want to answer. Who

(02:04):
are you when nothing is pulling at your attention? What
do you believe when no one is watching? What remains
when everything else fades? But for some, silence isn't something
to escape. It's something to enter, to sit in, to

(02:25):
grow in, to become something deeper. Through tonight's conversation or
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What's up guys again, Welcome to the show. You're listening
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(04:26):
and sometimes even past the thing that we call the ego.
Our interviews are designed to go behind the scenes into
the minds of these brilliant people, you know, the ones
who are out there giving it. They're all for me,
for you, and for the world. Well, ladies and gentlemen,
today's guest is Father David Jones. He is an author

(04:46):
and poet whose work is shaped by decades of silence, prayer,
and monolistic life. Having spent years in a monastery in France,
his writing explorers to pro found mysteries of the soul, time,
and eternity. Through his trilogy, he invites readers into a slower,

(05:10):
deeper experience of faith reflection. His words do not rush,
They've revealed, So please join me in saying welcome friend
to Father David Joan. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
I'm well Now, how are things that you are under
the planet?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
My end of the planet is pretty good, no complaints.
I think it's lovely.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Now over to you.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yep, So David, welcome to the show man. What's been
on your heart and mind lately?

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Wow? Being a helmit, one lives a bit outside the planet,
looking on its calms. The way of passing to existence.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Just passing through resistance.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
It comes to the way because what looks space shit above,
what's going on in the immediate in the sense that
what is outside time in a little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, yeah, we are definitely Uh well, I can just
say it's a time to be alive right now. There
is so much going on and the only thing you
can control is how you react to certain things. And

(06:37):
yes and yes, just just your response to how things
affect things around you, all right. So when people encounter
your work years from now, what do you hope they
come to understand about the relationship between silence, faith and
the human soul?

Speaker 6 (07:00):
A certain constants in the equation one generation can talk
the next, and one soul can talk to another soul
even when that so has gone on, because there are
certain things that soul can leave, and the classic way
of doing it is putting it on the page. Now,
of course, there are other means as well, storing voices,

(07:21):
but nevertheless, the ancient means of communication bits and so
to bits of future so is through what is put
down on paper, on papyror's parchment, whatever it might be.
But nothing has changed in that. In other words, we're
still listening and feeling those who have gone before this
through the silent page they left behind. So in that sense,

(07:44):
writing if one chies those things into a form which
can be looked at again with joy. Is something that
one leaves behind and leaves a little grace perhaps for
others to pick up way down the line.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, how can you look at things with the joy
even if the things in the past are painful.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yeah, one has to look on with a certain philosophic
mode onto passing things, including pain.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
One can be conquered.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
By pain, pain which is physical, or pain which is spiritual, human, moral, psychological.
But if we pass through life in the stuay that
we're not conquered, we can as it, we'll get above
that level. That is only really possible with divine grace,
because otherwise the dangers that humanity will be damaged by

(08:40):
the immediate. If one is living a little bit based
in that trinitarian presence, it's a little bit different because
one sees there's not a power in control, the wisdom
which allows things which we call divine providence, which we
know from what was given to us way back with
somebody the worst person why right in modern English, of
some so watch is our own hermitudion of knowledge way

(09:02):
back in the Middle Ages, a recluse, and she was
given to understand by the Lord, but that the providence
which guys the world, all shall be well, and all
shall be well, nor a manner of things shall be well,
but that she was given to understand if nothing at
all happened without divine permission, but it was pushing things
towards our good, pulling good even out towards apparent harm.

(09:25):
So in that case, one can calmly accept the divine
will as it comes through divine permissions and go into
what the Lord is trying to say in that and
be positive rather than negative. The only real tragedy is
to lose one's soul.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yes, that is the tragedy. But what if someone doesn't
have access to this eternal grace or isn't aware that
it is, that it is even a gift to the
human soul.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
That is the game of the other guy, I think
you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
And the one who lives down the.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
Ground zero or beneath, he wants our soul and he
wants our company, so he's very clever getting it by
the immediate, the immediate, and the immediate isn't all that lasting.
People sacrifice the eternal for the sake of the immediate,
So that is what is happening with divine grace. However,

(10:24):
it's quite different because one is not living just for
the immediate. But your question is quite a poignant question.
What does one do if one hasn't got divine grace? Well,
it's not so simple, because as we have in the gospel.
Actually this weekend, I am the way, the truth and
the life. No one comes to the Father but by me.
It's only through the Cross and through divine grace that

(10:46):
we can get there. So it's quite a serious if
one thinks about what the Lord is trying to warn
us about. It's not automatic and buy in the sky.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
When we die and all that, we.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Have to kind of get our act together.

Speaker 7 (10:58):
So people are not getting that together, a secretly.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Nudged and littled by their conscience. They're not in peace.
There's only deep peace when one is in the windows
of the Savior. The eyes is a kind of a
dumbing effect. To dumb down the pain, distract yourself, escape
the reality. There's no happiness there as the roalling stones.
When a goodly put it, I can't get no satisfaction.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yes, yes, d So, Father David, you've lived in deep
solid What was the hardest truth you faced in silence.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
There is a purifying it a journey which happens in
sognitude because one in the initial stages of letting go
and having only silence in sognitude and only the interior guest.
Then there's a whole video of one's past that comes up,
and they say that actually happens to death as well.

(11:57):
But old fast comes up. The things change a little bit,
and the one goes towards the interior guest, and one
starts to talk a lot to him, in fact only
to him because he's the only one there. And then
there's a piece in what he sends as hardiest enough.
But the other guy and the other.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Stuff that's in there.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
Tried to come back to the surface, and it's a
continuous battle, but there is a piece and divine will.
In fact, there's no tp outside. It was. If one
is in the will of God, then things are passion
on every level. To make your question actually directly to
what happened, in my case, it was complicated by the

(12:35):
fact beside it that I was writing a lot and
in the confusion that wasn't going down well. So I
was being told all the time model as Lee was
stop writing. Lee was stop writing, and that was at tension,
so there were elements coming in there which were kind
of dodgy in the sense that that could have been avoided,

(12:56):
but it wasn't avoided and it wasn't caught in time,
so I had to eventually, So that's what happened to me.
It ended up okay, okay, because the bishop of meet
to have been as a hermit, so I'm able to
calmly be here on my own. There's a providence in
that too.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, so what about that cause confusion?

Speaker 6 (13:17):
It caused confusion because I was getting close to ordination
and I studied orders is then the solitude of plants,
and I was ready for it, and then all this
came to the surface. It was made even more complex
by the fact that the Larsh bishop confirmed the in
rash got involved and he wrote to the area of
the order itself. So it only made it worse, actually,

(13:39):
because when that came to the fall, it was clearly
given indication. If that's the case, you have to be leaving.
So things happened, say the Ivie permission. One takes even
that on board with calm.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
So in all of that silence and all of that discipline,
and do the confusion. What does eternity feel like to
you now?

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Well, in the purely aromitic life, when it's pretty close
to eternity in the sense that a lot, I mean
a lot of when it's time they spent in my
case before the best at sackle. But that's actually one
advantage over being a confusion. If one has a hermit
under the bishop, and if the bishop is supportive, one
has access to the best attackmen has one's own chapel.
What can the sppose the best sacrament a lot day

(14:27):
and night and be an adoration and the chanting of
the office. I still talk the office completely as it
was in the monastery, different tones, so that's completely stung. There.
A high proportion is spent before the Creator.

Speaker 7 (14:41):
The maker of the King, and in that sense as
a deep beast, because where is before the Lord.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
In chapel with the angels one is not alone? And
how many angels there adoring with one? It's very peaceful
and comes into a cushion of prayer and presidents of
double presents, the presence of the Lord, the presence of
his angels, who is not alone at all, especially in
the night on I fear that the depth of night,
when the world is fast asleep, with a little beacon
of light awake, trying to keep the world from going

(15:07):
into an utter and complete darkness, and suicide and order
goes with it in the hours of night.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Has silence ever refused give you an answer?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Ah?

Speaker 6 (15:20):
Ironically, one gets used to silence in such a way
that it becomes difficult to break it, because the mode
of being in perpetual silence is that one then goes
completely into another direction, not towards human beings, but towards
being a guest. And talking then is kind of a

(15:40):
portal which leaks it lets out the interior of the
soul conversation, and conversation can become very distracting, actually quite ironic.
But in the confusion order there is the discipline of
the weekly walk as a safety valve. But in one's
weekly confession, nearly all the things that one is confessing

(16:00):
out from those moments of talking with other people, because
anything else is kind of invisible, and that's where all
the leakage happens. And also one talks about one's past,
so if one isn't talking at all, all the past
goes away. One just as pleasant with the Lord, and
one doesn't have to talk about with interior being to
anyone at all.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
Only the Lord.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
Knows one's secrets. One's completely hidden, anonymous and passing through
this existence without doing attention to oneself or being known
by anybody. It's a different way of going through life.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
There is an idea of time versus eternity that is
central to your work. When did you first become aware
of this correlation or tension if we can call it that?

Speaker 6 (16:50):
One minute after entering arcuations there one leaves the world
and the world doesn't come back as one as very
much separated from the world or member, but alive without talking,
without teeniphone, without internet, without anything at all you got
to contact with the world is pretty different. And therefore

(17:11):
when who were outside the world already with one foot
in the beyond, it's a very different world. But because
one friends are the invisible friends, the angels and the saints.
And therefore, to answer your question, one becomes immediately aware
of the difference the strict monastic life. The strict one
now as the apacity live does place one complete in
a different atmosphere and world.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yes, yes, can we talk about the the monistic life
a little bit deeper in how you were able to
develop your portrait out of that.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
Now that's the irony of it. What happened, what happened
in my case anyway, was with the silence. There was
a time when as alone all the time, basically, and
so I started to put down my thoughts. But now
being Welsh, that would be in a very strict partic mode.
Now Wales stands out a bit in culture in so

(18:07):
far as because of the estems one now the Estad
it is the great annual competition with all the greatest
parts feeding.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
In very very very very strict.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
Meter in Welsh and very strict rhymes is extremely complex
that has been maintained in Wales, and so in Wales
poetry means.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
The strict meter.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
So from the beginning I've been writing in strict meter.
It eventually settled for the form of the Shakespearean sonnet.
That's fourteen lines. You've got one quad train, another quad train,
another quad train again, which has a change in it
before it starts, and then you've got the final couplet
in which you have to sum everything up. It's fourteen nine.

(18:46):
Advised to say a lot in a short time and
not waste a moment, it's chiveling every word, so it's
a little art, but it's coming very easily because the
formation was there from the Welsh culture, both in English
and in Welsh at home, so that's the atmosphere was
coming from. So it naturally came into solids and therefore
they were there as a living diary, which started then

(19:07):
way back when I was there and PERI in the
carried on except when I was still not to write.
There was two years when I stopped writing. That carried
on eventually until the present.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
So it's a diary in poetic.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
Form which has gone into therefore where over a thousand
pages of points. I don't know exactly, but it's three volumes,
big volumes, and it's now it's has been available on Amazon.
So basically the whole story is there right through law
of the drama, ups and downs and in betweens. Because
a moment to a pass if it's not put down,
and the grace and the joyable parts, if it's not crystallized,

(19:42):
you kind of fossilize time. And joys can live again,
pain can live again, but sometimes pain is actually more
powerful than joy. There's a great writer in France chateaubriand
he said, Lushawn that youroldelm priest to the natural chance.
The natural song of man is sad. The minor key
sometimes is more emotional.

Speaker 7 (20:03):
Than the major key, because my nature when is.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
In one's truth, in sadness, junos are sometimes more deep
than marriages.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You know, for a priest, you mentioned that you stop
writing for two years. What was going on during those
two years?

Speaker 6 (20:18):
Now, that was when the drama happened. Because what happened
was the bishop, because a lot of it were in
half an hour. I was writing a lot of Welsh
as well, and because the Bishop knew me and my family,
he wanted that published in Welsh because of the testimony
of that the Protestant country a Catholic verse you see
in Welsh natural Welsh as well as any Protestant country.

(20:38):
There's not many Catholic writers there in Welsh, and so
he wanted that. And then that's how the Order realized
this was going on, and so they wanted to see
it and in translation have it. So what happened was
the head of the Order allowed one volume of the
Welsh to be published, but nothing in English, and Welsh
had to be anonymous. But then the ultimatum came, we've
got to leave or stop. So what it was, I

(21:02):
was pushed by my own prior and local prior to
move on. He could see that it was not exactly
the kind of in order to be writing. And so
that was the two period two year period. There I
was also asked to stop, to burn or to destroy
anything I wrote that. Fortunately, my father had already in
his possession of manuscript, so that wasn't able to be
carried out. And however there was that pause when I

(21:23):
bade whatever two years and then when I came out
of the order I came, I went back into latrap,
which is there were slightly more open, and then from
there I was transferred to the Irish monastery not far
from here. So anyway, basically it's a long story, but
the forest three carries it through.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
M I see, I see, well, I want to go
back to stillness. Why do you believe people struggle with
stillness today?

Speaker 6 (21:48):
It's even more difficult today to be still. If you
look at people and study their behavior. Immediately, when they're
waiting for something or as a pause, they took up
they go into their pocket and take up the mobile phone,
which is now not to mine. I'm talking to you
an old nock here.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
Which is kind of medieval.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
But nowadays they have a Samsung, a thing which does
everything for you. It's a hot television in your pocket.
It's a computer in your pocket, it's everything in your pocket.
It's the whole world in your pocket. So they take
that to bed with them, and even married people who
take it to bedroom. And that thing is more important
than the why think about how can gar get into
that mess? It's crowding out the voice of God. So
without all that mess, we can hear far more the

(22:28):
still and small voice.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
People are handicapped, people are crippled out there in the world.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
They're hyped up. They can't be still. The great philosopher,
French philosopher Blazed Pascal said, to the manner of the
lounger thirst well, in the and the real fair, the
old the misery of man resides in the fact that
he can't sit alone in a room and do nothing.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
What do you feel like we're losing? Besides you know,
hearing that still small voice, hearing the options from God.
You know, the warnings, the subtle, the subtle reassurances, the
subtle encouragement, the subtle at what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
You know?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Besides all of that, what are we losing by constantly moving?

Speaker 6 (23:24):
The truth is that man is no longer self sufficient.
He is a cripple, and the fact that he's not
able just to be alone is a real trasgy for humanity.
The quality of life is deteriorated because man is no
longer able to hear the beauty of simple things. He
has to be hyped up by big impulses. It's not

(23:46):
the best way to be in solitude and silence, A
little thing goes a long way. A book is hugely powerful.
The sound of music is extremely moving.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
People are completely dulled and dumbed down by the number
of impulses.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
They are actually impoverished humanly. And their memory too, has
weakened because there are too many syllables coming in. Man
way back had a stronger memory. He read more, and
he maintained and retained what he was reading. Now, unfortunately,
there's a lot of unnecessary syllables in the air doing
as harm. We're saturated with syllables and meanings and sounds.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
How can someone begin to reclaim that space?

Speaker 6 (24:31):
If a person wants to find both himself and God
and actually also his neighbor. He has to simplify life.
Life simplified, the beauty of simple things e geek. Having
the souls off except maybe once a day to catch
upon everything in one go. It's a completely different day.
Having access availability all the time to all the world

(24:53):
is a very different mode of being. And one goes
through life and I'll come to the end of one's life.
Where did my life go? It went to immediately the
ability went into being called by everything that was calling.
Or if one can come to the end of one's life,
I lived. I lived independently. I was not controlled. I
was in control of my life.

Speaker 7 (25:13):
That one can actually came.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
It's called being in pleat control of one's day. It
can be done.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
One doesn't have.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
To be always with people and people that have to
be always in our head. That always mean to structuring
one's day. If one wants to, one can and not
going to everything and have to say yes to everything,
every meeting, every encounter, every conversation, every bit of stuff's
coming at the screen. You don't have to have all that.
A day with a book is quiet, a day with

(25:43):
a screen is noisy.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
And safe thing your writing seals lived not explained. When
did fate become real for you personally?

Speaker 6 (25:57):
I've be encountered with the Lord. Happened? Well, the family
was always a Christian family, so there was a chapel
out there. I was brought up as a Welsh Baptist.
I was going to be a Baptist minister as a
result of getting involved with evangelicals when I was in school.
There was a whole lot of stuff going on. Actually
in the sixties in Britain. Billy Graham came to Britain again,

(26:20):
there was massive to stay there in nineteen.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
Sixty seven that had an effect. But already before then I.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
Was involved, and I was going more and more towards
the evangelicals, and my own pastor stopped me and had
a good chat and he realized what I was going
to go if he didn't stop me. So anyway, I
stayed in the Baptist and he baptized me in Welsh
of course at bad and then but then what happened
was because I was then going towards the ministry, I

(26:47):
was reading a lot and I actually got involved accidentally
with the Catholic Church. Remember being deeply moved by going
into a Catholic Church and going to a high Mass
one Sunday morning, I was about sirteen, know forteen, I
was fourteen, iould say them it was still in that
in their high marks, and I was very, very moved
by the mystery of it. So I had to think,
what's going on here? There's far more history and mystery

(27:08):
in their thing than in ours.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
So I went more and more towards the Catholic.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
Church, and then the vocation followed.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
So the local Catholic church which I was going to.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Them from fifteen or so onwards eighteen sixteen was the
Catholic Church won by Ampleforth Benedictine.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
Therefore it was in.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Cardiff, and there were six or seven months there from
ample Forth and one from Buckfast, and then they got
me involved with the Benedictine world. So my vocation was
matured under them because they were very good. Actually they
had a semi monastic life in their mission. There were
one hundred and twenty months of community, and they had
six or seven of them in Cardiff with an a

(27:45):
monastic life as well there, but the very good pastors
as well.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
And great lithargy.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
So I was born along the waves of vocation in
the good parish community nourished by this visuality of ample four.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yes, your poetry fans over forty years, that is amazing.
How has your voice evolved over time?

Speaker 7 (28:09):
How is the actual texture of the content there evolved?

Speaker 6 (28:13):
Is what you mean? Yes? Yes, yes, well you see
the thing because oh it's a long story. But there's
a gap when I went back to my studies and
then things go in a different moade there. Although actually
that was quite a rich experience because you were with
doing theology and bangor with other students' future ministers and
so on, and that was a very rich experience. And
back to the Welish culture and doing theology in Welsh,

(28:36):
I could have stayed put down. A lot was going
on there as well, because there was a move to
get something started in Wales itself, and also in the
involvement with the huge charismatic renewal in the monastic world
in France. That's all there as well, seeing miracles happening
before one's eyes. There was a massive renewal in France
in the mid eighties and I was involved in and
we were hoping to bring that back to Wales at

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one point. And all that is in there as well
the amazing things that were going on in the charismatic
venue or there in the monastic world. They were opening
monasteries of the late of two monasteries a year, and
it was very powerful. So there was an attempt to
find all.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
That is in there as well, what happened in those.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Amazing years of oscillation. But then you come down a
bench and my special father sent me back to one
and I was sorted out here.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
Although I had to go for a while actually to Italy.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
That's what I was ordained Roman so on, And all
that is in there as well is the attraction of
Italy a whole. There's a lot of moving around there
within the monastic world. So the whole story is there
day by day.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
And in volume two it reflects transition and renewal. What
triggered that shift in your life?

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Yeah, that was a period. Then volume two, there are
not happening there. It could have gone either way. Lot
lots of things could have happened. Well, to be honest,
things which could have happened didn't happen because there was
not a lot of low of encouragement from bishops, and
that kind of thing is if they were very chary
about anything new of that nature. And so okay, I

(30:07):
accepted that it wasn't a divine will, but I think
it's awful pify because we see there were lost vacationis
Welsh speaking vocations that are Welsh peaks out there will
be gone elsewhere out of the country. Whereas Wales could
have harnessed all that and got a good foundation in
the heart of the Welsh language area of Wales, a
really huge influence on Wales. It didn't happen because the
bishops weren't too keen on risking anything.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Absolutely, and I'm not trying to go back to volume one,
but I do want to ask about how your relationship
with God evolved since volume one.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
It's become more Dominican in so far as I took
on board his teaching Sint dominic As. It's cristallized in
the teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas, one of the greatest
Dominicans of all time. He has his teaching that is
Thomas Aquinas he analyzes the whole structure of the religious life,

(31:06):
and he says in conclusion, it is better to give
light and warmth than just to be a light. In
other words, it's contemplary, its contemplate on the east sadary,
to contemplate and to given to others. The thing is
contemplated because I do have one honey mass in public

(31:28):
a week, it's the Latin one, and on a Sunday,
and there that will be partly recorded and transmitted, and
the teaching going out on YouTube lecture Divina on a
daily basis that does actually reach quite a few souls,
and therefore an element of sharing what is coming, So
that wouldn't have been there, certainly in the Confusion period,
except perhaps and the writing who struck of course, if

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it was your question. There will be an evolution there
also since ordination that happened in nineteen ninety seven, Since ordination,
by the very fact of being a priest, one is
a man for others, even though it's based basically in
the monastic life and in contemplation in my case.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
Evertheless, if one is a priest.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
One is ordained to give the sacraments, and therefore has
a lot of confession, which of course wouldn't have happened
in the Contusion order at all, and certainly preaching wouldn't either.
So there's been an element of giving what has been received.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
In volume three, it continues your journey. What new deaths
does this volume explore?

Speaker 6 (32:35):
In volume three things go towards the enmitic life purely
because the whole thing is calmed down there, certain peace
and serenity comes. Because once the bishop took me on board.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Things became clearer.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
You see, I've been seeing the bishop every month all
these years, and he would come here every beginning of
every month for years and years and years. And then
now he's got too old, he's retired down go to him.
It doesn't drive anymore, but it's still happening. He stabilized me.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
He was a good father, and that's.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
What a bishop. A real bishop is a good father,
not just an administrator, but somebody who cares, who listens,
and who gives you good advice. So he was giving
me good advice. So when I was under him, I
was safe. And that, by the way, the hint for
anyone who's listening, find a good spiritual father and your saves.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
All right, So as we draw to and here at
the core of everything that you've written, what is the
one truth about the human soul? People overlook.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
The fact that it is indestructible. Is difference between the
soul and the body, of which is its envelope, is
that the body is material, and they're were destined to
go into the destruction.

Speaker 7 (33:58):
Of the material in death, it will be.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
Dissolved, but the soul does not depend on the body
for its functioning. The proof is that when people have
death experiences and come back, they'll tell you that the
body has been there. They looked at the body, and
they've been going on.

Speaker 7 (34:13):
It's a separate existence.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
The soul, therefore, is immaterial, and all that's im material
is not limited by the material, and therefore by death,
it can't stop being. Once a soul is ignited and
concept the parents create that is pro create, but there's
a secratity about the moment of starting off a new life,
which is divine.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
They collaborate with the creator because the creator.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
Sparks the new soul into being every at every conception,
and therefore implants an immortal soul into what is mortal.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Is what is.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
Immaterial is linked for a while to the material, but
it is not going to be limited by it, So
that soul is what we call eve eternal. Now an
abe is a span of time, and it tells me
to is an eternity, an angel, anything outside God which
is of an immaterial nature, an angel or a demon

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which is of all angel or a human soul has
had a beginning but will have no end, cannot end
because it's immaterial, it's spiritual, and it has to go on.
And therefore the big issue is caring not for what
is going to perish and go back into dust, but
for the bit that's going to go on.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
And that's what you'll get it wrong. They give great
care to.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
The body, and beauty is very important, but the beauty
of the soul is neglected. And that's the one thing
that counts, because, as I said earlier on, the one
tragedy is not to make it, not to get to heaven,
to lose one's soul.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
And that's where the devil.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
Is busy making sure that no one is thinking about
the real thing. The crunch is, one moment after death,
have I made it? There's a cross here, an old
cost just nearby, a new grange. It's not new granger,
Monster Boyce. It's very very old, and it has on it.
You know, these old celty crosses with the Gospel on them.
They're ancient changing crosses, high crosses, well, there in that

(36:07):
old monastery, there's a soul in the scales, all nude,
and it's a bit nervous. He's not quite sure which
way it's going to go up or down. And it's
forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and
ever and ever is nervous. So that's what people should
be concerned about, the big thing, the crunch one moment
after death. Am I ready to go or not?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Am I ready to go or not? That is the question.
That is the question. I get that some people feel
like it's a fantasy.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Do you know that is a big trick of the enemy.
They think that by arguing against it they can cancel it,
or one can't. What is in the brain is in
the brain. What is out there even after death, even
if it's invisible, is out there. And whether one believing
it or not, it doesn't make any difference. It's there.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
It is there. It is there, all right, Father David Jones.
Where can people purchase the book and find Amazon information
on the internet?

Speaker 6 (37:14):
Yeah, that's it's they want to go on Amazon. It
goes there anywhere. They want to just go into Amazon
for the David Jones. Now, the actual title is it's Latin.
I'll explain the title if you want to add, MAYA
start him, ad ads to maya start him or magistant him,
but it's nigh in that, and it looks like my

(37:34):
magistant him. But MAYA start him towards the Majesty. Now,
that's the title that when used of the monastic life
in choir, when the choir facing not the other choir,
but facing the altar, it's turned towards the majesty. So
basically it's in two words, the whole thrust of it,
all one's life is towards the praise of glory.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I love it. I love that title too. You said
that as Latin.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
Yeah, it's a it's no. And as it happened, this
was probabished the start of it anyway, when Prince Charles
was crowned King of England, so I sent him the
first copy more less because I wanted to is it corresponding.
Draft is a high king, but he's serving that, he's

(38:19):
serving the king. That the high king King of England
has to serve the King of Glory, and with his
Christian rooty is aware of that, and so I give
him that. And then and he wrote back, and he
was five bees, and he was touched by the fact
that it's been dedicated to him. So the element there
of something happening as well, the crowning of the King
of England, who is the service of the King of Glory.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
That is amazing. Wow. Okay, thanks for sharing that. All right,
there's just in case you need those links. I know
you will. I have all three links to the volumes
volume one, volume two, volume three, so that you can
keep up to date with the release of volume three
and also pick up volume one in two. All right.

(39:00):
This conversation wasn't loud, but it was very powerful because
sometimes the most changing truths don't come through noise, they
come through stillness. Father David Jones reminds us that meaning
isn't something you chase, it's something you uncover when you
finally slow down enough to see it. So tap in

(39:22):
with Madostatum trilogy following his journey online, and take a
moment today not to rush, but to reflect, because in
that quiet space might just find something eternal waiting for you.
This isn't radio, this is revival. All right, Thank you,
Father David. It was a pleasure.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Go bless you, go to the ministry.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Thank you so much. God bless you and your ministry.

Speaker 7 (39:49):
Good goodbye, goodbye, He's to all.

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