The Rich Sherman Ph. D Interview.

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is a phrase some of us have heard before, and
that phrase is you can't go home again. But what
if that phrase isn't about geography at all. What if
it's about the long road we walk trying to understand
who we are. You know, are face in this world

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so we can finally become who we were meant to be.
Life rarely moves in straight lines, and I'll be the
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in one. And sometimes the road looks like a surfboard
on the beaches of southern California. Sometimes it looks like

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sleeping in a nineteen sixty three Volkswagen bus. Sometimes it
looks like a yoga, a shrump, a cold garage floor,
or even a jail cell that forces you to rethink
everything like a really long time out. But tour, every twist,

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every unexpected stop along the way carries the same quiet question,
where is home? Tonight's guest knows that question well. He's
a counselor, a professor, a traveler, and a storyteller who
turned life's chaos into reflection, growth, and wisdom because sometimes

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Our next guest, Doctor Rich Sherman, is a licensed professional counselor,

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former graduate professor, world traveler, and author of the memoir
You Can't Go Home Again With the Doctor and Human
and organizational development. Rich has spent decades helping people understand
their lives and themselves. His own journey from surfing adventures

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and living in a VW bus to that sense of
Volkswagons for you, young folks, to academic achievement to spiritual
reflection reveals a story of perseverance, humor, and heart. His
message through minds that the search for home is often

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the search for ourselves isn't that true? So please join
me in saying welcome friend to Rich Sherman. Hey, Hey,
welcome to the show, Kidy.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be
here tonight.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Absolutely, Rich, we are so excited to have you with
us tonight, and thank you for your patient as well.
We try to figure out what was going on with
the audio, but all as well. Now before we just
really dive into your story. What's been on your heart
and mind lately? As someone who has spent a lifetime

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helping others find clarity while also navigating your own journey
of discovery.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Well, you know, I think my heart and mind has
been focused on getting the message out about my memoir
and maybe touching a few lives in the process. My
story is not an unusual story. I think it's threads
that go across many, many people's experiences, and I happen

(07:16):
to be able to pull it together in a memoir.
My heart and mind has been really focused on getting
that word out.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Absolutely, and your memoir begins with surfing avengers and a
tribe of friends exploring the beaches of southern California, Mexico,
and Hawaii. What did that lifestyle teach you about your
freedom and your identity.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
Well, if I could back up just a little bit,
right around age eight or so, I became very aware
of family issues, and for whatever reason, I started to
internalize those conflicts, and so that kind of pushed me
out of my family because I wasn't able to translate

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the conflicts within my home. So as I move into adolescens,
the surfing group becomes my family. At that period of
my life, i'm surfing, I'm also involved in athletics, and

(08:29):
the jock and the surfers and the potheads are all
together in one group, and that becomes family. As we
visited the beaches of southern California and go down to
neighbor Mexico, serve some great waves, get into a little
bit of mischief. The summer of nineteen seventy, when we

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were able to graduate from high school, we went to Hawaii.
There was four of us on the north shore of Oahu.
It was Paradix. It was again nineteen seventy. It wasn't
commercialized at that time. Walking the beaches of Sunset Beach,
surfing the waves, secluded from everybody, I got in touch

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more with that inner self, the conflicts at home were
still going on. I was removed from them. As we
get towards the very end of the summer, we catched
big waves, which for us was ten to twelve foot
waves the size of the two story house. So the

(09:38):
exhilaration of experiencing that moment, as we say in substbuse,
you're chasing the high. I never was able to experience
that high again. So at one point on the north
shore of Oahu, coming to the end of that summ

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I had to make a decision to either return to
the chaos of home or live, you know, live out
my life in Hawaii suitably. I knew that if I
stayed on the island, my life would take a whole
different direction. I chose to return back to the chaos
of family. I showed up unannounced, thinking everybody would be

(10:24):
happy to see me, but they weren't happy to see me.
I just brought more issues to the family. Eventually, that
tension of home, I got into a pretty heated argument
with my father and it almost turned into a fist
food And I'm seventeen, think I know everything, and I

(10:47):
decide at that moment that I'd have enough, So I
grabbed my surf forard. I grabbed my clothes and I
used tense speed bike and I throw everything in my
nineteen sixty three VW bus. That first night away from home,
I parted the van on the side of a road
where no one would find me, and I went and

(11:08):
slept in the field not far from my house, under
the stars. And as I'm dozing off and almost asleep,
that inner voice against speaks to me and says, you
can't go home again. And so that begins the journey.
That begins the trip, the freedom with responsibility or freedom

(11:34):
finding how a seventeen year old is going to make
his way in life living in his van. So that
begins the journey. There's another one part to the next
part that I can go into. But if you have
a question, I can.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yes, so many questions, and I I want to try
to ask all of them. I think they're well, well
so I think they're all important, but they're just pieces
to this puzzle that you just you like scattered the
pieces on the floor, and I have to figure out
how the pieces fit. So rich, First of all, how

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did four teams get to Hawaii?

Speaker 6 (12:17):
Well, it was just a pretty good luck. The nineteen
sixty three VW. Bus. I had worked food service jobs.
I had saved nine hundred dollars to buy a car,
and one of the guys that I ran with had
an uncle who lived on the North Shore and he

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needed to come to the mainland, so he asked his
nephew to house it for him while he was gone.
So that left an opportunity there with the money I
had for a ticket, and the guys who also were
able to go to really have free rent for the
summer living in Paradise. That's how that all came together.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
From okay, okay, okay. Nice. Secondly, you said that your
life would have took a turn if you stayed in Hawaii.
What kind of turn?

Speaker 6 (13:19):
It's Hawaii. You don't want to you know, you're living
in Paradise. You're not motivated to do a lot but
surf and bring primo beer, walk the beaches. Again, this
is nineteen seventy. The north Shore was about forty miles
from Honolulu, so if you wanted to work, you had
to go into Honolulu and you would be working hotel

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work or food service work. I had no skills. I
was basically, you know, the only skills I had was
I wrestled and played football high school. That's all I knew.
I hadn't really read a book, so that intuition and
told me, if I follow that path of staying on
the North Shore and Hawaii, I would have just really

(14:07):
just vegged out. Would it just became whatever? You know,
whatever I could become as in food service. And then
that's the motivation that took me back into the chaos
that eventually started the journey.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, Okay, in hindsight, do you feel like either way
it would have turned out, you still couldn't go home?

Speaker 6 (14:35):
Well, to pick up where I left off. When I
was sleep being in my van, I was attending the
community college, Okay, and I, as I mentioned, I was
a PE major. So I would sleep in my van
and then use the gym's facilities to clean up before class.

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I did that for maybe a month, dodging the police,
you know, sleeping on different sides of the parts of
the you know, the side street. While I was on campus,
I noticed a sign that had a six pointed star,
a star of David, and I saw it from afar.
It was like, all of a sudden, I was just

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drawn into the Star of David and there was a
sign that said room for rent one hundred dollars a month,
robertson Avenue, West, La, So I kind of knew where
that was. And I was getting tired of dodging the police,
so I made an appointment to see the room. I

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show up to the house and as I'm walking up
the steps, the door's open, but there's a screen door.
And as I'm getting closer, I noticed all these flies,
literally hundreds of flies on the screen door, and they
looked very docile and content. And this is kind of weird. So,

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you know, go knock on the door. The flies scatter
all over the place, and this young man, probably about
twenty nine thirty thirty one, very physically fit, wearing a turban,
a Seeks turban, comes to the door and I say,
I'm here to see the room, but I'm looking at
these flies just scurrying around us. And he gets real

(16:24):
intense and looks me in the eyes and says, we
don't kill flies here. All life is sacred. My goodness, Okay,
I'm just here to see the room. He shows me that,
you know, in the attic, it's upstairs. Thank god, there's
no flies up there. It's too hot, there's a bed

(16:44):
and a dresser. There's three other rooms downstairs in the
kitchen and the bathroom. And it turns out he tells
me it's an acheron, which is for students who are
studying Punta building a yoga. There was a movement called
the Three Ho Foundation, Healthy, Happy, and Holy by Yogi

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bajan Uh, and he had ashrams in different parts of
Los Angeles, and there was somewhat of a movement for yoga.
It was at the time that the Beatles had gone
to India and brought back all these gurus. A few
years after that, there's just booze everywhere. So we talk

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about the ashram and he says, you have a choice.
If you buy you rent the room, you can practice yoga.
And I said, well, you know that'd be interesting. I'm
looking for a home. You know, I can't go home.
So for the next year I study Quindalini yoga and
become a vegetarian, practiceation and do all these things to

(17:51):
get myself centered. Well, that story eventually merges into another transition,
and that transition is my brother who had converted to
being born again Christian. We run into each other. We
hadn't seen each other in quite a long time. And

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he asked me how I'm doing, and I tell him
living in an ashram, and you know, I'm a vegetarian
and practicing yoga. And he's turned his life over to Christ.
And he says, you know you're going the wrong direction.
And you know I was ready for a change. So
he says, why don't you come live with us? So

(18:35):
I says, you know what, I'm kind of tired of
living in the ashram. He wants to save me. I
want to be saved from the ashram. Seemed like a
good fit. So the transition, I go to his house
and that now the story again takes another twist and turn.
I was there for about good three or four or

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five months. At that time, I was also self medicating
with marijuana, and he wasn't aware that I was using.
And one night, very late at night, it's done. It's
very I choose to live in the garage. I could
have lived in the bedroom with my two year old nephew,
but just a little bit too chaotic and there. So

(19:20):
he had a bed dresser in the kind of converted
his garage into a small study, which was perfect for me.
So one night I'm getting ready for bed. It's late.
I'm in my sweatpants and my hoodie and I'm finishing
up a joint and I hear all this, these footsteps

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outside the garage door, and the dogs are barking. And
we lived in a kind of a rough neighborhood, not
too bad, but it was still had to be careful.
And since I was in the garage, I grabbed a
tool and the tool happened to be a machhetty. So,
you know, I hear these sweetsteps and allo on the
footsteps stop and I'm you know, putting high, and I

(20:05):
slowly walk outside with the machete and within seconds I'm
literally blinded by the light. It ain't Jesus. Sheriff so
tells me that drop the machete, and before I know it,
I'm handcuffed and in the back of the car. So
that lead that that transition again from my brother's house,

(20:28):
I'm now in La County. Uh, and some interesting things occur. Uh.
They let you buy you know, you go in you
you know, you get process. They spray you down with
this powder this infected. At least back then they did that.
They if my memory is correct, they gave us clothes

(20:51):
to wear and turning your clothes, and you're you line
up in front of the cell. The gonna be a
lit chronically opened, and you're just all these guys who
have been busted that night are getting ready to go in,
and they allow you to get there's a little store
window and get toothpaste, toothbrush, the newspaper. So that's what

(21:13):
I did. I ran and got my tooth baste, toothbrush, newspaper,
and a candy bar, and I ready to be let
into the day rooms that called it. And I still
have like sixty cents left. I'm gonna get one more
candy bar. I don't know how long I'm gonna be
in here, So I put my stuff down, run to
the four window, get the candy bar, come back, get

(21:35):
my spot, and all my stuff is gone. And I
say to myself, as we say during the yoga, you
have your third eye, which is supposed to be the
awareness of everything. It flashes in front of my third eye.
You know who would steal my stuff? And then it
flashes in front of me, I'm in jail with gang bangers, thieves.

(21:58):
I'm in jail, and all of a sudden, my awareness
becomes you know, this is not the universe, This isn't
this isn't high school, and this isn't the community college.
You're in jail. So I go inside the day room
and everybody's kind of getting oriented, and all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, this man, well probably about thirty five,

(22:22):
really thin and muscular, squares off with from me, and again,
I'm seventeen eighteen. I think Bubba is about to make
me his girlfriend. I don't know what's happening, you know.
So he squares off with me, and he looks me
in the eyes and he says, are you Turkish? Turkish?

(22:44):
Why do you ask? He says, well, you have that
unibraral across the bridge of your nose, like the nose
like the men in my family. I said, well, just
so happens. My grandparents on my mother's side were born
in Istanbul. They came to the nineteen hundred. So yeah,
he gets real serious with me again, and it's like,

(23:08):
I don't hear anything, any movement, I don't hear any sounds.
I just see him and me, and he looks at
me and he says, you don't belong here. Don't come
turned around and walked away. So, wow, I'm in the
joint for a joint, as I say in the book. Yeah,

(23:30):
and I get out of jail. I made peace with
my brother. He's upset with me. He has a Christian
home and I violated the rules. And then I have
enough credits to transfer to cal State LA. And then
that begins another transit. Finding Tom.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Wow, I may have missed it. But why were the
police there in the first place. I though you heard
the footsteps out out of the garage. Why were they there?

Speaker 6 (24:03):
I assume they just smelled the pot.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Ah Okay, Okay, they were.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
They were. These sheriffs in that neighborhood were pretty rough.
They they they look for trouble. So they founded me.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
M But are you glad that they found you?

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Well the next part of the story, if I can
go there, Yes, Sir, Am I glad they found me.
It made me. It pushed me to another transition. I
transferred to cal State l A. I was there for

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two semesters. I ran out of money. I lived in
student housing, worked on campus, but it's just too expensive.
I hadn't been home for two years, so I asked
my parents, who lived right outside of Los Angeles, if

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I could come home to save some money. As that
chapter of the book is deja vu all over again.
I made some really really good friends those two semesters.
It was a very interesting group of people, very philosophical,

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talk about politics, religion, very multicultural, multi lingual. It was
just a real different experience for me. And we really
resonated as a group, and we used to have breakfast together.
And I had let them know that I had to
move back home to get money together. And so that

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the last day I was there, one of the friends
of the group brought me a gift and gives me
the gifts and I opened it up and it's a
a book with blank pages, and I said, what is this?
So it's a writing journal and the first entry is

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may your heart never She writes, may your heart never
stop growing, will miss your woody comments at breakfast, Love
your mom, cath So that became the writing journal that
for the next twenty or twenty five years kept that
became this book. So the answer is yes, it turned

(26:35):
out to be a good thing to end up in
the joint for a joint.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Wow. Okay, that was definitely a catalyst. All right, So, uh,
you mentioned that receiving a journal became a portal to
a new evolving self. What was it about writing that

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helped you process your life different?

Speaker 6 (27:09):
Well, going back to COVID, I presently live in Panama City, Panama,
Central America's where my family and I live now. My
wife and my well my grand my children or grandchildren
are in Miami, and my daughter's in Miami. But I

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guess the journal didn't really manifest until COVID Panama closed
down for almost a year and my wife, who's retired
high school principal and the teacher went to homeschool our
granddaughter at that time, so I was here by myself.

(27:59):
We have coffee shop, so I wasn't here really by myself.
Still we're able to sell a little bit of coffee,
but the men could only go out three days a
week and the women could go to four days a week.
So on those days off days out, I could do
errands and sell coffee in our little shop. But the

(28:20):
rest of the time I'm writing, and I'm a very
slow writer. So because of COVID I was able to
start to put together chapters of the book. And I
think where I'm at now that with your question is
it's a form of therapy. I think it was bibliotherapy.

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Bibio writing is a way to breast I'm more of
an introvert by nature, so it was a way to
get out of my head and put it out in paper,
my journey and to bring it to a kind of
a conclusion. So the book is a really was a
process for me of not having to always remember where

(29:05):
I had been, got in a book, opened it up
randomly and revisited my history. And also it's the process
of letting go. I think that's the best part of it,
the letting go of the journey that I took for
those first twenty years or so.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
All right, Absolutely, many people want to write their story
but never begin. What allowed you to finally open that door.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
It was like again that intuition that says, well, let
me back up a little bit. The hardest part about
the story is sharing it with others. For me, that's
very i was a counselor for twenty five thirty years
and I'm used to listening more than speaking, and to

(30:04):
share my story was a real challenge for so. Writing
the process with the labor of love, but sharing it
to me is the real labor. But getting it out
there and letting people find it, and if they're touched
by it, that makes it all the more meaningful. So

(30:30):
I think just writing the story was again a therapeutic process,
and then releasing it was really the work for my personality,
letting it go and sending it out into the universe.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, all right, So I didn't want to ask to
me a questions that would give away the complete picture
from the memoir. But you went from wonderer, I know,
we're skipping a couple of pages, maybe a few pages,

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to scholar. Your path eventually led you to earn an
a PhD in Human and organizational development. How did someone
who once lived in a VW bus find his way
into academics?

Speaker 6 (31:36):
My best is all I knew going to college was athletics.
That was my vehicle for everything at the time, and
so because I knew how to do that, I wrestled
a little bit in college and eventually transferred to a
university on the Central Coast that had a major wrestling program.

(32:00):
But at that point at the university, when I had
transferred from coulcy La to cal Poly sem Luis Obispo,
athletics had run its court. It didn't I didn't need
it anymore. What I needed was to give back what

(32:21):
I felt I was meant to do, and that was
the counseling. So I found my way from the bachelor's
degree into the counseling program, masters and counseling, and I resonated,
resignated with that that process counseling for twenty five years
was not work for me. It was it was just, uh,

(32:43):
it was just being in the moment with people and
walking with them. And the doctor degree came about because
of a mentor that I had gone had met in
part of the journey, and he encouraged me to go
to the program in Santa Barbara with he was going

(33:05):
to also attend, and I said, well, you know, we
could do it together. Let me. I don't know really
what it's about. And fell in love with the program,
and that just again just following my interests and my
passion of learning and knowing, kind of wanting to know
what's underneath everything, and that pushed me into the doctorate program,

(33:30):
which then flourished. Eventually, the teaching, which I had never
thought I would be a university adjunct professor, it just
continued to flourish. I eventually became a consultant. I got
a job with the State of Missouri as a rehabilitation counselor,
helping people return to work had been injured, and that

(33:53):
flourished into being a consultant so security administration, and it
just one thing led to another. You just nurture those academics, uh,
to learn about whatever it is you're learning about in
order to be of help to people. So it really
was just just kind of fell into place. I really

(34:13):
have not ever thought I would be even going in
high school, they told me I was meant to be
an autobody and fender guy. Oh wow, I was supposed
to you know, I was a shop guy. So uh
so everything that turned out was just the way it happened.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, wow, just the way it happened. And uh, listening
to your story, we're parts of it sounds like a movie,
you know, sounds like it deserves a screenplay, be great? Yeah,

(34:51):
would you be opposed to that?

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Uh, you know, follow follow it where it goes? Would
be interesting.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Wish actor would play the adult version of.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
You gosh Keanu.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Reeves Ah, okay, Okodrick guy. Yeah yeah. People forget that
he was in billing.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
Oh right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, Okay, he's not. He's not always the serious, you
know guy like John Wick.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
All right. So did write in this memoir change how
you see your past? Uh?

Speaker 6 (35:42):
I think it. What it did is consolidated, very fragmented,
and then again, writing the different chapters helped bring some
continuity to the process, and it eventually brings us to Panama.
There's another whole part to that, and we're so happy

(36:06):
to be in Panama. So, you know it all paths
kind of leaded in a winding road. And my wife
is really the one that found panamage who's going to
retire early, and we came out in two thousand and
five if we both fell in love with it, and
it's everything you would want in a culture that values diversity,

(36:29):
and it's just enriching a culture here. So it all
turned out we found home. The last chapter is about
finding Panama.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Came together at the end, Yeah, and that's about finding
home with someone and not just a solo adventure. Right.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
I couldn't have I wouldn't be here if she didn't have.
My wife didn't have the intuition that this was the
place that we would flourish at We have a coffee shop.
We renovated in eighteen seventy three historic building. We're the
first development in this neighborhood. We had the boutique hotel upstairs,

(37:22):
but during COVID we decided to close it down and
now we have costa secret coffeehouse, which is we're number
two in all of Panama cities.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
We're loving, loving the coffee here.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Nice. The title you Can't Go Home Again is powerful?
What does home mean to you now?

Speaker 6 (37:48):
I think it means just to be at peace, not
to be striving, not not looking outside myself, as you know,
as that they say the Kingdom of God is within.
I don't need to be looking outwardly anymore for home.
You know, We've got a really nice situation here. So

(38:10):
home is where your heart is. This is this is
where our heart is.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I'm not that sure. Uh did you ever go back home?

Speaker 6 (38:21):
Yes? My dad and I became best of friends, you know,
even after all that. Uh you know, I was. I
was living in Missouri at the time, so I would
and my mother unfortunately had been sick, so my dad
was alone a lot. My younger brother was was helping
out a lot, more so than me. But I'd go

(38:44):
home frequently and we would just sit and talk, you know,
or just sit and watch TV and just really rebonded,
rebonded again for all that madness. Yeah, we really good friends.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
Good ending.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah, that's a real good ending to a tragic beginning. Yeah. So,
if someone reading your book is currently in the garage
phase or sleeping in the field stage of their life, uncertain, struggling,
and unsure of the future, what would you want them
to know?

Speaker 6 (39:26):
I think the most important thing is that there's help.
If you want help, there's help out there. It's local
mental health center, online counseling, clergy, finding a mentor if
you can, you know. I think people have to find

(39:46):
their own way when they're in that that struggle. But
coaches in my early life were key to me probably
staying out of more trouble than I could have gotten into.
But reach out if you can, reach out and try
to find someone to walk with you through those difficult times,

(40:10):
and just whatever advice they can give you or you're
willing to let in will help steer you in a
certain direction. But seek help.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's there, indeed, indeed rich Where can our listeners connect
with you? On Internet or check out the book.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Okay, My website is you Can't Go Home Again book
dot com and you can link to Amazon for the book.
Is there also Facebook, it's under my name rich Sherman.
And also there's a link there, And those two things

(40:53):
will get you where you need to go get the book.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
All right, All right, listeners, Just in case you need
the links and I know you will, I will have
them in the description of this episode and in the
show notes. So all you guys have to do is
just click the links. All right. Tonight we traveled through beaches,
jail sales, university halls, coffee shops, and continents. But the

(41:18):
real journey was in geography. I believe it was transformation.
Rich Sherman reminds us that the road to becoming who
we are meant to be rarely looks perfect. Sometimes it
looks like chaos, sometimes it looks like perseverance, and sometimes
it begins with nothing more than a blank journal page.

(41:41):
If today's conversation resonated with you, pick up his memoir
You Can't Go Home Again, Our Journey of perseverance, humor
and heart, and remember, find folks, You're not just here
for a talk show. And this isn't just radio, this
is revival. Thank you so much, Rich, it was a pleasure.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
Thank you. Nice meeting you.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Nice meeting you too. Man, I have to grab a
copy of this memoir. Thank you all right, take care,
God bless you too.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Bye, Peace to all. My name is Deni and I
am the host of Vigilantes Radio Live. I think that
we are.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Beyond just.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Asking cool questions and getting cool responses. I think that
we are here as creatives to provide an example that
you can do things different outside of expectations, because some
of us simply were not born into the club. But

(42:47):
there is perhaps a door window or back gate that
we can leave a clue for you to get into.
Life is short, but there are plenty of moments to
try and get it right. Pursuing your dreams and learning
from mistakes may be tough, but regret it's tougher to

(43:09):
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(43:33):
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